Occidental Petroleum Q3 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Occidental generated approximately $3.6 billion of free cash flow before working capital in Q3, produced nearly 1.2 million BOE/d (exceeding guidance by ~25,000 BOE/d), repurchased $2.6 billion of its $3 billion share repurchase program through November 7, and repaid over $1.5 billion of debt in the quarter.
  • The company will complete its $3 billion buyback by year-end, allocate any remaining 2022 cash to further debt reduction (targeting ~$18 billion of debt repaid in 2022), and in 2023 shift the majority of free cash flow toward an increasing dividend, active repurchases and partial redemption of preferred equity.
  • All three business segments outperformed: oil & gas raised full-year production guidance by 5,000 BOE/d (to 1.16 MM BOE/d), OxyChem beat chlor-alkali and PVC market expectations, and Midstream/Minerals maintained strong volumes as full-year guidance was increased across the board.
  • Delaware and Permian assets hit new records, including 46 wells averaging 3,600 BOE/d peak 30-day rates and the Python 13H well delivering a 3-stream IP of nearly 20,000 BOE/d (11,000 BOE/d 30-day average), while winning Colorado approval for 200+ new wells under updated regulations.
  • Occidental advanced its low-carbon business by breaking ground on the world’s largest direct air capture plant in Texas (startup late 2024), securing over 260,000 acres for ~6 billion tons of CO₂ sequestration, increasing its 2035 DAC target from 70 to 100 plants, and leveraging IRA 45Q enhancements to accelerate project economics.
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Earnings Conference Call
Occidental Petroleum Q3 2022
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There are 12 speakers on the call.

Operator

Afternoon, and welcome to Occidental's Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jeff Alvarez, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Rocco. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for participating in Occidental's Q3 2022 conference call. On the call with us today are Vicki Hollub, President and Chief Executive Officer Rob Peterson, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer And Richard Jackson, President, Operations, U. S. Onshore Resources and Carbon Management.

Speaker 1

This afternoon, we will refer to slides available on the Investors section of our website. The presentation includes a cautionary statement on Slide 2 regarding forward looking statements that will be made on the call this afternoon. We'll also reference a few non GAAP financial measures today. Reconciliations to the nearest corresponding GAAP measure can be found in the schedules to our earnings release and on our website. I'll now turn the call over to Vicki.

Speaker 1

Vicki, please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jeff, and good afternoon, everyone. We delivered another strong quarter operationally and financially, enabling us to further advance our shareholder return framework as we made meaningful progress toward completing our $3,000,000,000 share repurchase program. We achieved our goal of reducing the face value of our debt The high teens and plan to continue repaying debt through the remainder of this year before allocating a higher percentage of cash flow to shareholder returns next year. The excellent operational performance of our businesses was a key driver of our strong financial results, including generating the cash flow required to advance our shareholder return framework and further strengthen our balance sheet. Opti Chem delivered Strong earnings following a record second quarter, while our Gulf of Mexico International, Rockies and Permian teams set new operational records.

Speaker 2

This afternoon, I will cover our Q3 operational performance and the exciting progress our low carbon business has made since our investor update in March. Rob will cover our financial results as well as our updated guidance, which includes an increase in full year guidance for all three of our business segments. Our businesses all performed well in the 3rd quarter, enabling us to generate $3,600,000,000 of free cash flow before working capital With total company wide capital spend of approximately $1,100,000,000 our oil and gas business delivered production of nearly 1,200,000 BOE per day, exceeding the midpoint of guidance by approximately 25,000 BOE per day. Outperformance from the Rockies and Gulf of Mexico were key drivers of our production The Rockies success was driven by better than expected base production and higher NGL recoveries. In the Gulf of Mexico, we benefited from unseasonably calm weather during most of the Q3 and better than expected performance from Horn Mountain West.

Speaker 2

Our ability to generate substantial free cash flow even as oil prices declined compared to the previous quarter positions us to complete Approximately $2,600,000,000 of our $3,000,000,000 share repurchase program through November 7. Over the last 12 months, We have returned approximately $3.21 per share to common shareholders, moving us closer to potentially being able to begin redeeming the preferred equity in We also repaid approximately $1,500,000,000 of debt in the Q3 and in the period ending November 7. Providing commodity prices remain supportive, we intend to reduce the face value of our debt approximately $18,000,000,000 by the end of this year, meaning that we will have repaid over $10,000,000,000 of debt in 2022. As we enter 2023, We expect that our free cash flow allocation will shift significantly toward shareholder returns. We intend to reward shareholders with A sustainable dividend supported by an active repurchase program, continued rebalancing of our enterprise value in favor of common shareholders And a reduction in our cost of capital as the preferred equity is partially redeemed.

Speaker 2

Turning to OxyChem and Midstream, Both businesses benefited from supportive market conditions during the Q3. OxyChem exceeded its guidance Chlor alkali prices continue to strengthen and the expected softening in the PVC markets did not materialize to the extent that we had forecast. We continue to be highly encouraged by well performance across our portfolio. In the Delaware Basin, we delivered our best quarter to date for early well performance with the 46 wells online averaging peak 30 day rates of over 3,600 BOE per day, demonstrating the superior quality of our inventory and subsurface expertise. And in the Texas Delaware, we recently brought on online a new Silvertip well with the highest initial oil production of any horizontal well Previously drilled in the Lower forty eight.

Speaker 2

The Python 13H well posted a 3 stream IP of almost 20,000 BOE per day and Averaged over 11,000 BOE per day over its 1st 30 days online, which we believe to be the strongest performance ever for a Permian well. Overall, the Python development has outperformed expectations, and we're looking forward to developing the offsetting areas over the next few months. We're beginning to see additional progress in Colorado's new permit approval process. In August, we received approval from the Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission for the state's 1st comprehensive area plan under the recently implemented regulations. This plan has paved the way for us to complete more than 200 new wells in Wells County over the next few years.

Speaker 2

Also several 1 earlier this year. With the permits we have in hand and our expectations for future approvals, we have enhanced our flexibility as we formulate our activity for Next year. Last quarter, we celebrated 1st oil from our new discovery field in the Gulf of Mexico, Horn Mountain West. While it's exciting to realize production from new discoveries, our existing fields have abundant potential that we continue to unlock with innovative technical solutions Like subsea expansions. For example, our Caesar Tonga field recently reached a production milestone 150 barrels of cumulative oil production since the start up 10 years ago.

Speaker 2

Caesar Tonga is a subsea tieback to the And is one of the largest fields in the outer continental shelf. This impressive achievement is the result of the collaboration and hard work across Gulf of Mexico Business Unit, including the asset development teams and offshore personnel, who focus on delivering safe and efficient barrels every day. In the years ahead, we plan to continue maximizing production capacity through projects like this one. The Cesar Tonga Subsea expansion, which is scheduled for start up in the Q1 of next year, will address facility bottlenecks and maximize production capacity from the field, while signaling a transition into the next phase of field development. In the Q2, I highlighted new production records at Al Hosn in the UAE and Block 9 in Oman.

Speaker 2

I'd like to congratulate our Al Hosen and Oman teams again this quarter for breaking those recently set records. Are beginning to benefit from incremental production from Al Hosan and are pleased the expansion project is on track for completion in the middle of 2023. Turning to our low carbon business, I'm pleased to share that we broke ground on the world's largest direct air capture plant in Ector County, Texas. The first stage of construction, which includes site preparation and road work began in September. Plant startup is expected in late 2024.

Speaker 2

During our March LCV investor update, we provided an overview of the expected revenues and costs for both Direct Care Capture and Point Source Capture projects. Since then, we have experienced progress on legislative and commercial fronts. Congress passed the Inflation Reduction Act, which contains several enhancements to the 45 Q tax credit that will incentivize the development of carbon capture projects. Additionally, strong interest from potential customers has provided us with a clear picture of the market for carbon dioxide removal credits or CDRs and net zero oil in addition to other products. We believe our low carbon strategy combined with the ability to leverage direct air capture or DAC for benefit of our sales and others uniquely positions us to lead the market in supplying CDRs to the thousands of businesses that have established net zero ambitions.

Speaker 2

We are encouraged by the passage of the IRA and previously highlighted the potential for the 45Q enhancements to accelerate our low carbon strategy. We expect the 45Q enhancements to jump start the voluntary market for CDRs, which gives us confidence to increase the number of DACs in our current development scenario From 70 online by 2,035 to approximately 100. Equally as important, we expect the accelerated development of direct air capture will enable us to reduce plant capital and operating costs at a faster pace. In March, we provided the capital cost for the 1st STACK of $800,000,000 to $1,000,000,000 Given the inflationary pressures felt across the economy, especially for construction materials and labor, We now expect the first plant to cost approximately $1,100,000,000 The current inflationary environment will not last forever We will leverage our supply chain and major projects expertise wherever possible to lower the cost of our first direct air capture as well as the ones to follow. The U.

Speaker 2

S. Has taken a leadership role in moving towards net zero, making it more accessible for companies to meet their net zero commitments through the utilization of CDRs. Our long term view on the potential of direct air capture has not changed, but to reach the net zero development scenario of 135 DACs As described in our March update, the rest of the world will need to rise to the challenge in the form of global policy support. We're already seeing evidence of this such as the PACE program recently announced in the UAE, which will catalyze $100,000,000,000 in financing and investment. The Permian location of our first direct air capture will provide us multiple options to maximize the value of captured CO2.

Speaker 2

Our conversations with many corporate partners And potential clients have highlighted the significant demand for CDRs generated through CO2 sequestration. To meet this demand and advance our own net We plan to develop several hubs along the U. S. Gulf Coast, where we will have the option to develop direct air capture, provide point source capture and sequestration for industrial emissions or offer both solutions. To advance our ability to provide and generate CDRs.

Speaker 2

We have filed applications for 2 Class VI sequestration permits and plan to file applications in the near future. We recently secured 2 new locations for the large scale development of sequestration hubs. The first location covers 65,000 acres in Southeast Texas with up to 1,300,000,000 tons of CO2 sequestration capacity that could support up to 20 DACs. We also reached a lease agreement with King Ranch, the largest privately held ranch in the U. S.

Speaker 2

To build up to 30 DACs and develop point source capture infrastructure. Our agreement covers approximately 106,000 acres, which is about 166 square miles with the capability to safely And permanently sequester approximately 3,000,000,000 tons of CO2. We expect to develop our 2nd DACH at King Ranch and plan to start the pre P before year end. These two new locations are in addition to the 3 hubs focused on point source capture that we're also developing. We have secured almost 100,000 acres in Southeast Texas and Louisiana capable of safely and permanently sequestering approximately 1,900,000,000 tons of In total, we have secured over 260,000 acres capable of sequestering almost 6,000,000,000 tons of CO2 NetPower recently announced a plan to develop and build the world's 1st utility scale natural gas fired power plant with near zero atmospheric emissions.

Speaker 2

The plant will be located close to Oxy's operations in the Permian and will supply our operations with clean, low cost, on demand power. CO2 generated by the power plant will be used will be captured and permanently sequestered underground using our existing CO2 infrastructure. This plant will accelerate Oxy's plans to reduce carbon emissions to help us achieve our net zero ambition. This first utility scale plant will enable both Oxy and NetPower to develop best practices that use NetPower's technology I'll now turn the call over to Rob, who will walk you through our Q3 results and guidance.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Vicki, and good afternoon. In the 3rd quarter, our profitability remained strong as we posted an adjusted profit of $2.44 per diluted share and reported profit of $2.52 per diluted share, even as commodity prices declined for the recent highest in the second quarter. The difference between adjusted reported earnings was primarily driven by a gain on sale and a tax benefit related to foreign restructuring, partially offset by early debt extinguishment costs and mark to market adjustments. As Vicki mentioned, we made substantial progress towards completing our $3,000,000,000 Share repurchase program in the 3rd quarter. We have repurchased almost 42,000,000 shares through November 7 for approximately 2 point $6,000,000,000 with a weighted average price below $62 per share.

Speaker 1

We intend to complete the share repurchase program by year end and allocate any additional cash flow this year to reducing debt further. During the quarter, approximately $7,400,000 publicly traded warrants for exercise, bringing the total number exercised as of December 30th to almost $12,000,000 with approximately $104,000,000 remaining outstanding. Warrants are a cash exercise instrument, meaning that Oxy receives a cash payment from the warrant holder upon exercise, which provides with an additional source of cash to purchase shares and reduce debt. We are very pleased to have completed our near term debt reduction goal of lowering debt to the high teens. In addition to having repaid approximately $9,600,000,000 of debt year to date, we also retired $275,000,000 of notional interest rate swaps in the 3rd quarter for approximately $100,000,000 in cash.

Speaker 1

We exited the 3rd quarter with approximately $1,200,000,000 We have provided notice that the $340,000,000 note due in February will be called on November 15, meaning that we will have less than $23,000,000 of debt due We also intend to retire the remaining $450,000,000 of notional interest rate swaps this year, which we expect will require approximately $150,000,000 in cash at the current interest rate curve. As I mentioned on the previous call, we believe reducing the face value of our debt to high teens will accelerate our return to investment Great. We have made outstanding progress over the past 2 years to meet this objective, but understand that we cannot determine the timing of any potential ratings change. The combined impact of improving our balance sheet and reducing debt this year alone is estimated to result in a total annual interest and financing cost savings of over $350,000,000 on a go forward basis. Debt reduction will remain a priority, but we intend Notably redirect our cash flow priorities next year from proactively reducing debt to returning additional excess cash flow to shareholders.

Speaker 1

Over time, we intend to reduce gross debt below $15,000,000,000 As Vicki mentioned, we are raising our full year guidance across all three business segments outperformance in the Q3 and improved expectations for the remainder of the year. Starting with oil and gas, we have raised our full year production guidance by 5,000 BOE per day to 1,160,000 BOE per day for 2022, while our full year capital guidance remains unchanged. We continue to expect to finish the year on the high end of our capital range. Our production increased steadily each quarter this year, which has always been expected outcome of our 2022 plan in part due to ramp up activity and scheduled turnarounds in the Q1. We expect this trajectory will continue in the Q4 with production exceeding 1,200,000 BOE per day.

Speaker 1

Our Permian operations were impacted by higher than expected 3rd party downtime and lower OVO volumes during the quarter. Our strong well performance continues to exceed our expectations, but due to third party issues in the quarter, Our Permian production came at the low end of our guidance range. We have revised our 4th quarter Permian guidance down slightly from the implied guidance we provided last quarter Our Q3 exit rate was lower than anticipated. We expect strong performance from the Gulf of Mexico and Rockies to more than offset the updated Permian projection. As our 2022 plan anticipated an increase in activity throughout the year, our Q4 capital spend is expected to be higher than prior quarters this year.

Speaker 1

The activity was added in the second half of this year will place us in a strong position for 2023 as our Permian production will grow by over 100,000 BOE per day in the Q1. Our 4th quarter production expected to grow approximately 18% for the Q4 of last year. OxyChem continues to perform well and we've raised our full year guidance to reflect 3rd quarter results as well as an improvement in our expectations for the Q4. Fundamentals in the caustic soda market continue to be supportive, while softening the PVC market has occurred at a slower pace than previously expected. We expect the Q4 reflects seasonal trends that are typical for this business, but did not materialize in 2020 or 2021.

Speaker 1

The seasonal slowdown in construction activity towards the end of the year typically reduces demand for chloral vinyl products which we have reflected in our guidance. I will now turn the call back over to Vicki.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Rob. As we said during our March investor update, achieving our net zero ambitions We'll require funding outside of Oxy's historical capital allocation program. As the construction phase and technology of our first STACK project Advances. We will continue to consider strategic capital partnerships and structures to address financing. While we are prepared to fund the 1st DACH plant ourselves if necessary, we are working to de risk the construction phase and commercialize the technology to Attract financing structures that will retain most value for our shareholders.

Speaker 2

Finally, we understand that there is a high level of interest in our 2023 capital Activity plans, which we will communicate on our next call once our plans are finalized and approved by the Board. As we formulate our plans for Before we go to our Q and A, I'd like to thank Jeff Alvarez for his leadership with our Investor Relations. I'm sure you would all agree he's done a tremendous job to not only share our And to help you all understand our strategy and results, he's also provided critical support to our leadership team. We appreciate what Jeff has done with Investor Relations and what he will do for us in his new role that he's recently accepted. That role is to become President and General Manager of C In this role, Jeff will lead the efforts to build our CO2 sequestration business.

Speaker 2

As you've heard in my script, This is a growing and important part of our low carbon strategy. Jeff's 30 years of engineering and leadership experience working in domestic and Middle East operations This proven track record of creating value will be needed for this emerging business. I'm happy to announce that Neil Backhouse will replace Jeff as Vice President of Investor Relations reporting to Rob. And you all know, Neil, in addition to Investor Relations, his diverse expertise includes experience in treasury, finance and banking. Prior to joining Oxy, Neil worked as a corporate banker focused on oil and gas clients for 2 high profile international banks.

Speaker 2

He holds a BS from Colorado State University, a postgraduate degree in Financial Services and a master's degree in International Business, both from the University of Manchester. I give tremendous thanks to Jeff Alvarez for his highly favorable contributions he's made to the finance organization. And please join me in extending your support to Neil and wishing him success as he transitions to his new role.

Operator

Today's first question comes from Doug Leggate with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Thanks. Good afternoon, everyone. Appreciate all the commentary. Vicki, I know you don't want to give too much away on the capital program for next year, but I wonder if you could help us with the starting point. We ask you often, I guess, maybe you get a little tired of the question, but on what your sustaining capital is for your upstream business.

Speaker 3

But obviously, there are a lot of moving parts, inflation and then of course your higher productivity that you showed with the pipeline well this quarter. So As a starting point, where do you see your sustaining capital going as you look into 2023?

Speaker 2

The challenge with that Doug is that we really don't know what 2023 is going to look like from an inflation standpoint. And we can talk a little bit later about what we expect the inflation to be if people are interested in that. But the way you should think about our capital, All we can tell you is kind of what we see from an activity standpoint. And that would be, we've mentioned before That we're not going to try to grow our oil and gas production from 2022 to 2023. We're going to hold that flat.

Speaker 2

We've For the past couple of years, there have been a couple of business units where we weren't at their sustaining capital. So we're going to return to the Sustaining capital of Permian EOR and the Gulf of Mexico, and I think you've heard that number for Gulf of Mexico before is around $500,000,000 And that means $500,000,000 on an annual basis. And for EOR, it's $400,000,000 on an Annual basis at least it could be closer to $450,000,000 So those are two assets that we'll need to increase more in 2023. In addition, you will see higher than sustaining capital with a couple of projects that we find very interesting for next year, one being the membrane conversion project at the Battle Ground plant because As you know, we talked about it last quarter. It increases the capacity of Battle Ground by 80% and delivers about $250,000,000 to $350,000,000 incremental EBITDA, while generating a strong return, and we have the expansion of Valrhoesen to 1.45 In 2023.

Speaker 2

So adding those projects also will impact our sustaining capital to some degree on a go forward basis. But both of those projects generate pretty good returns. But if you add the final thing, the inflation part of it, that's where for us it gets Very murky because we're really not sure what inflation is going to be next year. And not knowing that, it's really hard to now Give out what a sustaining capital would be until we get closer to that.

Speaker 3

Okay. I understand it's a tough one, but thanks for Framing it for us. My second my follow-up question is, and I guess it would be appropriate to thank Jeff, also for all the field trips we had over the years to the Permian. But I do want to reference a couple of slides in your deck, 1 on Slide 23 and 1 on Slide 25. And what I'm trying to understand is, I mean, there's a remarkable continued Improvement in productivity of your well portfolio.

Speaker 3

But should we think of what we're seeing in Slide 23 As kind of the new normal is consistent with the inventory that's on Slide 25. I'm just trying to reconcile those 2 and I'll get there. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Okay. I'll pass that to Richard.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Doug. This is Richard. I'll try to answer that and kind of start, like you said, with the well performance and then translate that into the Inventory, which we wanted to bring back up. I think in total this year has been a good year. I think we noted in prepared remarks the growth trajectory of Near 100,000 barrels a day from Q1 to Q4 and certainly the second half of this year has been pronounced.

Speaker 4

But The best part of that has been the well performance. And so both from a total year basis, that represents 200 wells in the Delaware that's really Been drilled across our acreage from North Loving up into New Mexico into the multiple development areas there. And then even the 3rd quarter results that we showed, that was across, I think around 45 wells across Southeast New Mexico and Loving. And so I say that really to say that the consistency we do believe is becoming the new normal as we continue to improve. I think the Python well was exciting to disclose, but it's really what's interesting about that is that that entire North Loving development area has been consistent Good.

Speaker 4

And even that DSU where we had that record well, it had offset wells that had been drilled In a similar formation, and so being able to come back where we can develop a DSU with offsets that are child wells, if you like, be able to have this sort of record performance, I think is a real testament to the way we do our sort of subsurface development. From an inventory perspective, I mean, I think the slide speaks for itself. We've got a lot of inventory that we've accumulated across a good acreage Position. The only thing I would add to that is we continue to have strong what we would consider secondary bench. They're not really secondary because some of these are performing as well as the primary.

Speaker 4

So I'd point you to some Second Bone Spring in the Delaware Basin And then even the Barnett appraisal that we noted in the highlight, both of those have moved themselves up to really top tier in our development plans. We have optionality in terms of when we develop that and co develop it, but it's good to see those secondary benches add to that inventory.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Neil Mehta at Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Yes. Thank you. Vicki, I guess the first question is around the production profile. And as you talked about, the plan for now as you think about 2023 is to keep Volumes on the oil side relatively flat. What would you look for in order to change that viewpoint And actually grow volumes, is it a price signal from the market?

Speaker 5

Or is it Is a view on where you want your balance sheet to be?

Speaker 2

It's mostly around creating shareholder value and doing it in a way that ensures that it's sustainable over time. And part of our value proposition is to provide A growing dividend, which we as you know had to impact and we're trying to now resume. So what we really want to do is make the best decisions around how do you allocate capital. We don't feel like we necessarily need to grow cash at this point, because we have significant cash flow at almost all price ranges. We're breakeven below $40 So currently, the way that we see to increase shareholder value the most and in a sure way and that's sustainable and it also enables us to grow the dividend It's to buy back shares.

Speaker 2

In addition to enabling us to grow the dividend over time, we do believe that at this point, we're significantly Undervalued. So that's the best value decision and the best use of our capital dollars there.

Speaker 5

And that's the follow-up, Vicki, which is just around the authorization. You guys did a great job in the Q3, knocking off a decent part of that share buyback authorization, do you need to come back into the market and how should we think about timing and sizing there?

Speaker 2

We'll finish the $3,000,000,000 for this year and then any cash that's left available this year will go to Further debt reduction, starting next year is when we'll be significant have significantly more capital available to buy back shares. So essentially, any free cash flow that's available next year will be allocated mostly to share buybacks. And we really want people to understand that this is not something that we're doing on a temporary basis. We do believe that Share buybacks where we are today and where our capital needs are and our cash flow potential, The share buybacks is a part of our value proposition as is a growing dividend and the 2 work so well together as a combined value proposition. So that's what we're essentially trying to do.

Speaker 2

We will Occasionally, in the near term, do some projects that are not oil and gas that do increase value. So We are increasing value and cash flow and earnings with the membrane development at Battle Ground and also with AlthoZen expansion. So when we see projects that are kind of opportunistic, we'll take advantage of that to increase Cash flow, but we think the better value is to buy back shares and increase shareholder value that way.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Paul Cheng of Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thank you. Good afternoon. Maybe that this is for Rob. Rob, with the rising interest rate and potentially for the Several years, it's going to be much higher than what we've seen in the past 10 years. How that changed the LCV business model, if any, Given the project financing, the economic return may not be as good as before.

Speaker 6

And also in your chart, when you're showing From 2022 to 2024, the revenue and cost seems to match. So that means that currently, 4, we see further improvement that the EBITDA will be 0 for that business? That's the first question. The second question is, Can you tell us the mechanics of the preferred redemption? Look like next year, you will start to have partial redemption.

Speaker 6

How that work? And Also that the warrant, we need to buffer the preferred, how those is going to get exercised? Thank you.

Speaker 2

We'll start with the LCB question. And first, I'll just say that we really don't know yet what the inflationary environment Going to be. We don't expect or at least don't at this point expect that it would be a long term Inflationary period. We know the Federal Reserve is doing all they can to manage that. So what we'll do is we have to continue our business.

Speaker 2

And on the 1st direct air capture, it's really important for us to build it and to operate it before we can understand how to optimize it. And so as we go forward, we'll always keep in mind what our costs are with respect to what the potential returns are and we'll make decisions on that. Based on what we think we can do with it, it's more prudent to continue to invest at this point, preferably with other people's dollars, With ours, if need be, to ensure that we can get the technology tested up and running and improved. You More to add, Richard?

Speaker 4

Yes, maybe just a few things. I kind of I think what Vicki says is exactly way we're thinking about it, important to de risk what we can control, which is really innovation and cost. And So we have our innovation center that we continue to progress. Obviously, getting started on these projects, especially if we have line of sight to Multiple projects will help our cost down as we improve our engineering and our construction. And so that will be important.

Speaker 4

The pace of development, Very supported by the policy, really gives us an accelerant. I think we're well positioned For some DOE grants that we've talked about, I think, with you in the past, so when you think about near term capitalization, those are options. Longer term, Want to get the cost in the market in place to really support the sustainable business. And at that point, capitalization options are wide open. And so that's sort of how we have thought about that, but very focused on getting really the cost down On this first plant really advancing the innovation pathways that we see to really move this development forward.

Speaker 1

Hey, Paul. I'll take the other part of your questions. So Within the preferred redemption mechanics, so we cannot voluntary redeem The preferred shares before August of 'twenty nine. After August 'twenty nine, we can voluntary redeem those preferred shares at a price of $1.05 or a 5% premium to par. However, the agreement includes a mandatory redemption provision Obligates us redeem referred at a 10% premium or 110% on a dollar for dollar basis For every dollar we distribute to common shareholders above $4 on a trailing 12 month basis.

Speaker 1

And so building off of Vicki's script today that if you at the end of the day, we would take all the cash spent On share repurchases, dividends, all distributed shareholders from November 10th last year through November 9th this year And add that up on a previous day's share count and get a total for that. And so as she mentioned in her opening remarks, That will be $3.21 today. If that number added up to over $4 and everything that we distribute to shareholders above that would go On a dollar for dollar basis to shareholders, an equivalent would be redeemed on the preferred on a fifty-fifty basis. So if it had been $4.10 we would take $0.10 times the current outstanding shares in the dollar amount and apply that towards the redemption of the At 110 percent. And so we're going to continue that once you are above that, you continue with that every day.

Speaker 1

And if you distribute more value to shareholders, if we buy more shares back or pay a dividend, an equivalent amount will be applied towards the Berkshire preferred as long as we're above that threshold. You fall below the threshold, you discontinue it until you come back above the threshold and you do it again. And that's the mechanics of how the Berkshire redemption would work. In the case of the warrants, so the warrants Could be exercised at any time. And so when you get warrants exercised to us, the warrant holder pays us $22 per share in exchange for a warrant or a stock being issued in their place, and so we'll take the cash in on that.

Speaker 1

Warrant holders do not participate in dividends. And so any dividend growth, as Vicki outlined in her earlier remarks and question discussion, They would be not included in that. And so if that if the dividend were to increase etcetera that could drive additional warrants to be exercised.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Rafael Dubois with Societe Generale. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hello. Thank you very much for taking my questions. I have a couple of questions on OLCV. The first one is On the financing of the first DAC, I understood that you might benefit from the infrastructure Sorry. Could you maybe give us an update on whether we can expect you to benefit from those subsidies?

Speaker 7

And then I

Speaker 3

will have a follow-up question.

Speaker 2

Yes, the plant will be operational in 2024 and then the ability to Claim the CDRs would be available at that time.

Speaker 4

And maybe I'll just add to that. I mean, in addition, obviously 45Q in addition to the offtake with the carbon dioxide removals, which are sold to businesses that are looking to reduce their emissions, But also, as I mentioned briefly, well positioned for some potential grant for direct air capture That is available from that Infrastructure Act. So we want to put a competitive program together and show how those Can really catalyze our business, which will allow us to reach commerciality quicker and then will become self sustaining and as a business to go forward.

Speaker 2

And as a reminder, we said in the past that we do have a contract for 100,000 tons per year Of CDRs from their first plant.

Speaker 7

And speaking about CDRs, it's a little bit opaque, The value of those CDRs, can you maybe refer us to some transactions that would have been closed already At the sort of price levels that we can guess from what you show on your slide number 8.

Speaker 4

Yes, perfect. I want to quickly just frame the market a little bit. I think what's happening as this market takes shape, Carbon dioxide removals, which are uniquely capable to reduce atmospheric CO2 are becoming very appreciated. And so being able to have an engineered solution like direct air capture that monitors, that capture that atmospheric CO2 and then Places that safely and securely underground, that's a unique part of this evolving carbon reduction market. And so I want to say that first.

Speaker 4

Our position in that is really to be large scale, and we think we can be competitive on cost. When you look at all the alternatives to reduce emissions, we think we can be quite competitive given those two things. And so while We're not in a position to disclose some of the contracts that we've been working around that. There are some that get publicized. Those are generally smaller volumes and higher costs than what we show in our revenue slide.

Speaker 4

But we think in the way this works from a revenue which is the carbon removal on top of that, which gives you a total revenue against the cost that we showed in that slide. And so we're pleased with the market acceptance. We're working with some great partners that realize this is a very cost effective way for many industries and many Businesses to reduce their emissions as we look out over the next 10 to 20 years.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Neal Dingmann with Churro Securities. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my time. First question is around your 23 traditional activity. I'm just wondering specifically, do you anticipate continuing to run, I don't know, I guess it's around 23, 25 rigs next year. Could we see maybe a bit of efficiencies allowing for less?

Speaker 8

And if that's around the number, Do you anticipate those rigs running in kind of approximately the same areas as this year?

Speaker 4

I can start and then Vicki can add any context that she needs to. I think that rough number is about right in terms of where our activity is. We made note of The rig that we picked up in the Rockies, I think the success that we've had with our permitting have given us a strong runway on those very competitive projects in our portfolio. We also have a rig that we picked up in the second half of this year in enhanced oil recovery, which is a great Add to our business as we had low decline production to kind of add to the mix. So those are The 2 I would point to.

Speaker 4

We do have flexibility in the program. We have staggered terms in terms of contracts, so we can adjust to the macro or as Oxy We can adjust with flexibility. And then the final two variables I'd give you is obviously working interest. We fluctuate between 90% to even 50%, 60% in terms of working interest, say, in a business like the Delaware. And so where we have rigs in frac core, sometimes that can look a little lumpy from a capital perspective, but it's simply working interest.

Speaker 4

And the same could be said Really for OBO. And maybe the last thing to note is just our JV. So we're able to extend our Ecopetrol JV in Delaware, which is a great opportunity for us to accelerate this high quality inventory, brings a great partner along with us. And so that is another lever that will Not be transparent when you're just trying to look at activity versus capital.

Speaker 8

Got it. And then just a second question, maybe just staying with you, Around that strong Python well, just wondering, could you comment as to magnitude of future locations you all have seen in that area? Any plans near term or maybe even next year to obviously given the success there maybe boost activity in that area?

Speaker 4

Yes. What's great about them, it's certainly in a very rich geologic area for us, but That area in total is North Loving. And for those of you that know that our position in sort of the Texas, Delaware, that's quite a large acreage position. And so Near some of the Silvertip wells, which had some of the records in the past, but in the near term, we have 2 or 3 DSUs that will be coming online over the next couple of quarters. But in total, that's a large acreage position that we've picked up And just excited about prosecuting that.

Speaker 4

Again, not to challenge our team too hard, but we do continue to find ways to Improve. And so whether it's the primary benches like the Wolfcamp Y, which as well was in, or secondary in the Bone Spring, I'm looking forward to seeing what our teams

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, our next question today will come from John Royall with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. On Chemicals, Can you talk a little more about the drivers of the better than expected results in both 3Q and I think 4Q? And how does 20 23 set up relative to the run rate in 2H. I know the housing market is likely to become kind of more and more challenged with Rates where they are, but that business does seem to continue to do well.

Speaker 1

Sure, I would say that as we described in the opening comments and we talked a bit before is the macroeconomic continue to drive the demand in our vinyls business. And so interest rates, housing starts are trending unfavorably. So at the end of the Q4, what we're seeing is continued softness in the PVC domestic market. Due to that housing sector slowdown, PVC buyers are also adjusting inventories due to pricing changes, and we're also seeing a fair amount of imports from Asia now End of the market due to continued COVID lockdowns in China. So you're seeing a displacement regionally of where PVC typically is.

Speaker 1

What's slowing that pace of decline is partially responsible for the beat in Q3 and our improved guidance for the 4th quarter is, 1st of all, there's still a tremendous cost advantage for U. S.-based chemical production versus Europe and certainly Asia. The export business that is ramped up, We have a much better competing position from the U. S. And if you look at U.

Speaker 1

S. Exports, they're actually up 28% year to date through September versus prior year. In addition, I would say also despite the headwinds from interest rates, there still is a pretty significant pent up demand on construction overall in the U. S. Is Historically is when the chlorine side of the molecule slows down through the PVC chain, it naturally makes caustic soda availability much difficult to come by and tightens up the marketplace.

Speaker 1

And so we've seen steadily increases in caustic soda values, much greater values than we originally anticipated. So those 2 collectively are the 2 main drivers of our improved performance in the Q3 and our higher guidance for the Q4. Certainly, When you factor those macro conditions and then look at the factoring in a seasonally slow period, that's the reason why you see 4th quarter sequentially down versus The Q3, we really don't have a window yet to 2023 yet. There's I mean, there's very key factors that are going to drive that. It would be The length of the impact of housing starts from interest rates, how long is COVID shutdowns in China going to persist Once China reopens, similar to the oil and gas market, it's going to draw a lot of that demand that we're seeing or competition we're seeing from Asian produced products Go right back into China as it has historically.

Speaker 1

And then just this period of time typically is a low demand period once we go through winter. So really we don't have a really good viewpoint on what's going to happen in chemicals until that February March timeframe when you start looking at construction season. So Not a lot of guidance on 2024 by on 2023 at this point, but it's certainly those are going to be the key drivers of what's going to really impact us in 2023 and beyond. It's going to be So that PVC demand, construction sector general kind of durables and construction coupled with Also what happens in China in terms of when they reopen their economy.

Speaker 9

Okay. Thank you. That's really helpful. And then On the King Ranch deal, it's obviously, it's a very large amount of facilities that you can put on top of it. Can you just talk to the pros and cons of building units on At site versus where you're developing Deck 1 in the Permian, and maybe some of the other acreage you've secured?

Speaker 9

And then, is there an incremental spend number we should be about over the next couple of years to develop these sites?

Speaker 4

Yes, let me start. We're really excited about the King Ranch and Thanks to the King Ranch for working with us on really a different way of looking at a great asset. Really, the unique Thanks for us in that position. It's obviously a very large contiguous acreage position. So that's like oil and gas, that contiguous position allows us to be very Smart with the way that we develop.

Speaker 4

But really the uniqueness, great geology in South Texas, lots of pore space Per acreage position, access to water being on the Gulf Coast with our aqueous fluid design for Direct air capture, the ability to grow 0 emission power to support this larger build out of direct air capture And then proximity to point source emissions. One of the things we talk about while this is a great place to capture and build direct air capture, Proximity to the Gulf Coast to be able to also think about point source emissions and bring that gives us some economies of scale to Sure that call. So advantages versus the Permian, they're just different. I think Permian has the proximity to our CO2 infrastructure has the ability to both do sequestration and net zero oil through enhanced oil recovery process. And so depending on where the customers' Preferences are for sequestration or net zero oil.

Speaker 4

We have the ability to do both. And I think on that point, we get asked a lot, How do we think about that? And I think our ability is they both reduce emissions. As you think about net 0 oil or CDRs, you're lowering the atmospheric CO2, and so start there. But the other thing is the ability to grow a market of cost abatement for our mission.

Speaker 4

So that's how we think about it. I think again, PACE, I would point you back in terms how we should think about incremental capital, that will be a function of getting our costs down and improving innovation, How fast the CDR market grows and we anticipate it will and actually value will over the next 10 years. And then in the early time, support from something like the DOE grant could really help catalyze and allow us to move more in parallel. And then again, once we get a sustainable commercial business, capitalization options are wide open.

Speaker 2

And I would just add to that that we have quite a bit of interest in partnerships and even people investing in the project Itself or directly in our low carbon business. So there's no lack of interest. There's for us, it's It's a matter of choosing the right partners as we begin this process. And really it's just about, as Richard said, starting the process, Making the technology better and less expensive over time, improving it up, that's when we'll have even more options on about how to finance.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question today comes from David Deckelbaum with Cowen. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Thanks for the time today. I wanted to follow-up a bit on just a direct air capture plan and some of the incentives around the IRA. Just given the increased hour between sequestering CO2 versus utilizing it, has this changed the way that you think about The amount of debt that would be used for EOR or just the EOR business in general. And I guess when we think about The acceleration, I presume that this will all be towards sequestration oriented projects?

Speaker 4

I think I can start. I think the markets are evolving. Again, I think our view is that both Products, whether that be net 0 oil or sequestration or valuable products of the future. And so when you look at that arb, It's hard to determine exactly where that's going to land. The good news is we think it's commercial for both.

Speaker 4

And certainly, when you take into account our ability to produce a low decline, now very low carbon barrel Of oil, that's a tremendous potential market for the future. And so I think we'll let the markets The good news is we've got options for both. And again, the challenge is We want to deploy this technology to get the cost down. And so where commerciality is supported, this will allow us to do it across Both products.

Speaker 2

And I would add that my view is that the world cannot afford a climate transition without By cutting out completely oil and gas production, oil production is going to be needed for decades to come And using CO2 and enhanced oil recovery is a way to produce a net zero emission oil And to have that as the fuel source, it's low cost, lower cost and other options. It would help with the transition. It would help to fund the transition. So I think that oil is needed for us, for our company in We have 2,000,000,000 barrels of resources available for further development in our enhanced oil recovery assets. And we'd like to use either anthropogenic or atmospheric CO2 for the to develop those resources.

Speaker 2

In addition, we do know that we can technically use CO2 in the shale reservoirs, so we can increase The 10% recovery that we have today to something much higher than that. So there is A use for CO2 and enhanced oil recovery, it's not as well recognized yet, but when the world realizes how much the I do believe that this will become the preferred option to ensure that we can continue the production of low carbon

Operator

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Leo Mariani with MKM Partners. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

I wanted to follow-up a little bit on the thought around production here. You guys talked about not really trying to grow the oil and gas production next year. I certainly appreciate that, but just wanted to kind of clarify on that point. You obviously have pretty significant growth on oil and gas production during the course of the year in 2022. So as you think about potential growth in 2023, are you more talking kind of Exit to exit, so sort of Q4 2022 to Q4 2023 where there won't be much growth because obviously if you were flat year over year, I guess that would imply your volumes

Speaker 2

to start dropping here in 2023.

Speaker 11

No, we were Here in 2023.

Speaker 2

No, we were thinking that probably it would be year over year and I'm not saying that there wouldn't be some growth, we don't intend to grow it. If growth is an outcome and it would probably be somewhere in the neighborhood of 1% or less. So it's not our intention to grow it, but if we have more wells like Richard just talked about, there will be growth from our assets, but It's not our desire to grow it in 3% to 5%. It's not the growth is not the target. It's to develop the best wells in the best possible ways.

Speaker 2

And if that delivers growth, then that's good.

Operator

Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, in the interest of time, this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Vicki Hollub for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

I would just like to thank you all for your participation today, and thanks again to Jeff as he makes this his final call. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, ma'am. This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your

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