Advanced Energy Industries Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Record 2022 results: Revenue reached $1.85 billion and non-GAAP EPS was $6.49, with sales up over 20% across all end markets.
  • New product momentum: The company doubled its product launches in 2022 and expects accelerated design-win activity in 2023 as customers shift focus to differentiation.
  • 2023 outlook: Semiconductor market revenue is forecast to decline in the high teens sequentially and Q1 revenue is guided to ~$415 million ± $20 million with gross margins in the low 36% range.
  • Restructuring plan: AE will cut headcount by about 10%, close its Shenzhen facility, and optimize its factory footprint to reduce costs amid lower demand.
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Earnings Conference Call
Advanced Energy Industries Q4 2022
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There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Advanced Energy 4th Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Edwin Mok, Vice President of Strategic Marketing and Investor Relations.

Operator

Thank you, Edwin. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Advanced Energy's 4th Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. With me today are Steve Kelly, our President and CEO and Paul Odom, our Executive Vice President and CFO. Before I begin, I'd like to mention that we will be participating at several Imbresto conferences in the coming months.

Speaker 1

If you have not seen our earnings press release and presentation, You can find them on our website at ir.advancedenergy.com. Let me remind you that today's call contains forward looking statements. They are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially and are not guarantees of future performance. Information concerning these risks can be found in our SEC filings. All forward looking statements are based on management's estimates as of today, February 8, 2023, and the company assumes no obligation to update them.

Speaker 1

Medium term targets and long term aspirational goals presented today should not be interpreted as guidance. On today's call, our financial results are presented on a non GAAP financial basis unless otherwise specified. Exclude from our non GAAP results are Soft compensation, amortization, acquisition related costs, facility expansion and related costs, restructuring charges and unrealized foreign exchange gain or loss. A detailed reconciliation between GAAP and non GAAP measures can be found in today's press release. With that, let me pass the call to our President and CEO, Steve Kelly.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Edwin. Good afternoon, everyone, Thanks for joining the call. We delivered strong results in the 4th quarter, taking advantage of healthy demand, improved component availability and solid manufacturing execution. For the full year, We achieved record revenue of $1,850,000,000 and record earnings per share of $6.49 Thanks to robust demand across all of our markets and improved execution across the company. Sales into each of our markets grew 20% or more in 2022.

Speaker 2

Overall, our operational performance improved throughout the year due to better component availability, Successful qualifications of alternative parts and redesigns and good manufacturing execution. We doubled the number of new product launches in 2022. By and large, these new products employ leading edge technology and are proprietary in nature. These products led to additional design wins in 2022, particularly in the industrial, medical and semiconductor markets. Moving forward, We expect design win activity to accelerate in 2023 as customers shift their focus from supply chain issues to product differentiation.

Speaker 2

We believe our leading edge power delivery solutions enable our customers' new products and will fuel our profitable growth For years to come. In 2022, we successfully integrated SL Power into Advanced Energy. SL expanded our position in the medical power market, where we are now one of the top players. In addition, we are adding capacity and capability at the former SL Power factory in Mexico Now Now I'd like to provide some color on the current supply chain environment. Scarce components are still gating revenue in the industrial, computing, Telecom and Networking Markets.

Speaker 2

Power ICs and FETs are the 2 most significant constraints. These trailing edge products are widely used across the electronics industry, particularly in automotive And industrial applications. In semiconductor equipment, we are seeing fewer parts shortages. This has allowed us to reduce lead times for some of our products, which in turn has enabled our customers to normalize their order backlog. Now I'll provide more color for each of our end markets.

Speaker 2

In semiconductor, 4th quarter revenue increased 30% year on year to $232,000,000 in line with our expectations. For the full year, Advanced Energy revenue in this market grew over 31%, much faster than overall WFE. In the Q4, we secured new design wins in wafer inspection and remote plasma source applications. We also introduced new technology platforms for Advanced Etch. In the industrial and medical markets, 4th quarter revenue grew more than 20% year on year to $119,000,000 Despite those record shipments, our industrial and medical order book still increased in Q4.

Speaker 2

In the medical market, we secured several new wins in surgical, medical laser, Diagnostic and Life Science Equipment. In the Q4, we launched FlexiCharge, the industry's first High voltage capacitor charger and low voltage power supply in a single integrated product. We designed this product to meet the power needs of medical laser applications by combining our industry leading high voltage And configurable power supply technologies. Initial customer feedback has been enthusiastic. In the industrial space, we secured design wins in 3 d printing, industrial laser In test and measurement applications.

Speaker 2

Now moving to our computing, networking and telecom markets. 4th quarter revenue from data center computing customers totaled $95,000,000 a new record for the company. Telecom and networking revenue grew 15% year on year to $44,000,000 Our upside in both markets was driven by improved component deliveries late in the quarter, coupled with our ability to quickly turn those scarce parts into revenue. Now I'll move to the 2023 demand picture as well as our priorities for the New Year. We expect that 2023 will be a down year in the semiconductor market and are taking actions to lower our cost structure to adapt to this new demand environment.

Speaker 2

Even though overall semiconductor revenue will be down year on year, there are pockets of strength, Including our service business, our high voltage ion implant products, and recent design wins, which are still ramping to volume. Because of these pockets of strength, we believe that we will perform better than the market in 2023. Outside of semiconductor, we believe that 2023 revenue should be relatively stable year on year. We carried a large order book into the Q1 due to a combination of healthy overall demand And lingering parts shortages. Also, we believe the variety of markets we sell into We'll have a smoothing effect on the aggregate revenue in our non semiconductor markets.

Speaker 2

Now moving to the priorities for 2023. Our first priority is to maintain our new product and design win momentum. We want to be the technology leader in every market we serve. To do that, we intend to maintain our investments in R and D and push our development teams to move even faster. The second priority is to improve the efficiency of our manufacturing and supply chain operations.

Speaker 2

We made a lot of progress in 2022 and can make even more in 2023. We will optimize our factory footprint And streamline our network of subcontractors and component suppliers. We learned a lot about the strengths and weaknesses of our supply base over the last 2 years and intend to concentrate our business with the best performing suppliers. The 3rd priority is to increase our engagement with customers across our markets. We have a large talented sales and applications team In a strong network of distributors and value added resellers, we intend to use this worldwide team to focus on the needs of fast growing small and medium sized customers, while maintaining high service levels at our larger customers.

Speaker 2

Finally, we will take special care to control discretionary expenses in 2023. I would like to close with a few parting thoughts. First, we just wrapped up one of the best years in Advanced Energy's history, Delivering record financial performance and a record number of new products. 2nd, We are carrying that momentum into 2023. We will go full speed ahead with our R and D efforts and improve our efficiency across the company.

Speaker 2

Finally, we believe that our increased participation in a variety Of high value markets, coupled with our pockets of strength within the semiconductor market, will allow Advanced Energy to perform substantially better than in past semiconductor market slowdowns. Paul will now provide more detailed financial information.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Steve, and good afternoon, everyone. We delivered strong financial results in the Q4 and a record 2022, As we secured additional supply of scarce components and began to leverage our backlog and low channel inventory to perform better than the market. 4th quarter revenue of $491,000,000 and EPS of $1.70 both reached the 2nd highest levels ever for the company. Overall, revenue grew 24% year over year and 18% organically. In the 4th quarter, Backlog declined to $875,000,000 down from $1,100,000,000 at the end of the 3rd quarter.

Speaker 3

Approximately 40% of the sequential decline came from the China based Semiconductor customer orders, which we moved out of our reported backlog, but were not canceled. The rest of the reduction in backlog reflected lower demand and changes in ordering patterns from our semiconductor customers as we improved our lead times. Backlog for non semi markets remain unchanged quarter on quarter despite robust shipments. As we further resolve critical part issues, we expect to work down our total backlog over the next several quarters to a more normalized level of $400,000,000 to $500,000,000 Now let me go over our financial results in more detail. Revenue in the semiconductor market was $232,000,000 up 30% year over year, but down 13% from a record Q3.

Speaker 3

Roughly half of the decline was a direct result of the China based export control regulations announced in the quarter. In addition, Our customers lowered their build plans in response to the current environment, which was partially offset by our ability to largely restock customer Back towards normalized levels. Revenue in the industrial and medical market was $119,000,000 up 21% year over year and flat with last quarter's record level. We continue to be parts constrained in this market and believe we have upside as component availability improves. Data center computing revenue was up 18% year over year and 8% sequentially to $95,000,000 a new quarterly record.

Speaker 3

Telecom and networking revenue was $44,000,000 up 15% year over year and 4% sequentially. 4th quarter gross margin was 36.6%, down 90 basis points from last quarter due primarily to less favorable revenue mix, lower volume and continued higher material costs. Although we began to see some moderation in premiums and recoveries toward the end of the quarter, we expect higher material costs To continue to impact our gross margin through the first half of twenty twenty three, with gross margins gradually improving in the second half of the year as premiums abate and historical costs flow through our inventory. Operating expenses were $101,000,000 up slightly from last quarter, mainly due to timing of programs and infrastructure investments. Operating margin for the quarter was 16%.

Speaker 3

Depreciation for the quarter was $9,000,000 and our adjusted EBITDA was $87,000,000 Non GAAP other expense was $1,100,000 on better interest earnings, partially offset by foreign exchange losses. Given higher interest earnings on our cash and the benefits to interest expense on our swap, we expect our non GAAP other expense to be in the $1,000,000 range, plus or minus going forward. During the quarter, we initiated a restructuring plan And recognized $5,600,000 in restructuring costs, primarily associated with the integration of SL, Consolidation of certain production into our higher volume factories and other targeted reductions consistent with lower volumes in 2023. In addition, we ceased production at our Shenzhen factory at the end of Q4 and will fully close the facility within the current quarter. Looking forward, we expect another $1,000,000 to $2,000,000 of restructuring in Q1.

Speaker 3

As a combination of these actions and attrition, We expect total headcount to be down approximately 10% by the end of 2023, mostly in our factory operations. Our non GAAP tax rate was 17%, driven by the level of annual earnings, geographic mix and true ups to year end tax positions. For 2023, we are modeling our GAAP and non GAAP tax rate in the 18% to 19% range. 4th quarter EPS was $1.70 up from last year's EPS of $1.36 and down from the record 3rd quarter EPS of $2.12 Now let me quickly touch on our full year results. In 2022, we delivered record revenue of $1,850,000,000 which was up 27% year over year.

Speaker 3

Excluding the SL Power acquisition, organic revenue grew 23%. We achieved record revenues in the semiconductor, industrial and medical and data center computing markets. On the other hand, We paid over $100,000,000 of material premiums to secure critical parts. Although we were able to recover a portion of these premiums from our customers, Our gross margins were negatively impacted. Despite this sizable cost, our 2022 non GAAP earnings reached a record $6.49 per share and our annualized second half earnings surpassed our EPS aspirational goal of $7.50 Turning now to the balance sheet.

Speaker 3

Total cash and marketable securities at the end of the 4th quarter was $461,000,000 With net cash of $88,000,000 Cash flow from continuing operations was $71,000,000 Inventory days were 109 And turns improved to 3.3 times, up slightly from 3.2 times in Q3 as we began to consume inventories of non critical parts. DSO ticked up slightly to 55 days and DPO declined to 49 days, down from 61 days last quarter, largely due to timing of purchases and lower inventory levels. As a result, net working capital increased to 100 days from 106 days last quarter. During the Q4, we invested $19,000,000 in CapEx as we began to incur the cash expenditures for many of the infrastructure and capacity investments initiated earlier in the year. Looking forward, we expect CapEx to run approximately 4% of sales on timing of project completions and investments to optimize our footprint and scale our structure.

Speaker 3

During the quarter, we also made debt principal payments of $5,000,000 paid $3,800,000 in dividends Andrew purchased approximately $700,000 of common stock at $69.16 per share. Turning now to our guidance. Based on this decline in the wafer fab equipment market, we expect our semiconductor revenue to be down in the high teens sequentially, with the impact of the market decline partially mitigated by our pockets of strength and our ability to complete the restocking of customer inventory To normalize the levels. While demand is stronger in our other markets, revenues continue to be gated by supply of critical components. As a result, we expect 1st quarter revenue to be approximately $415,000,000 plus or minus 20,000,000 We expect Q1 gross margins to be in the low 36% range on lower volumes and modest improvement in material cost premiums.

Speaker 3

We expect Q1 operating expenses to be down slightly from Q4, but to increase modestly for the balance of the year on inflationary factors and continued investment in critical R and D and growth initiatives. As a result, we expect Q1 non GAAP earnings per share to be $1.10 plus or minus Before I open it up for questions, I want to highlight a few important points. 2022 was a record year for Advanced Energy. Our semiconductor revenue growth substantially outperformed the wafer fab equipment market, and each of our end markets grew 20% or more year over year. While this will inevitably result in tougher comparisons in 2023, We continue to expect to perform better than the market over the course of the year.

Speaker 3

More importantly, we believe our diversification into multiple markets, Larger and more stable service business and healthier backlog and customer inventory positions will enable us to perform substantially better than in previous market cycles, demonstrating the benefits of our long term strategy. While the supply chain remains dynamic, We expect improvement in deliveries of critical components over the course of the year, which coupled with lower material premiums and improved operational efficiency will allow us to gradually improve our gross margins in the second half of the year. During this time, we will continue to accelerate new products and scale the company, while controlling our discretionary spending and optimizing our footprint. As a result, We expect Advanced Energy is well positioned to outperform during this cycle, emerge stronger as markets recover and continue to grow revenue and earnings over time. With that, we'll take your questions.

Speaker 3

Operator?

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. One moment please while we poll for questions. Thank you. Our first question is from Quinn Bolton with Needham and Company.

Operator

Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Hey, guys. Congratulations on the strong finish to 2022. I guess, maybe Paul or Steve, I guess, kind of a big picture question. It sounds like margins are going to stay fairly flattish in the low 36% range in the first half of the year With only modest improvement expected in the second half of the year, I guess, what do you think it takes to get back to the 40%, forty 1 percent gross margins envisioned by the aspirational model?

Speaker 5

Yes, it's a good question.

Speaker 3

I'll take that one, Quinn. Clearly, in the near term, we continue to be impacted by higher material costs, and we expect those to begin to abate largely In the second half, we'll still see those through the first half just given the timing of these costs rolling through our inventories. Now we do expect to see them to start to pick up in the later in the year, which will give us some improvement, certainly as we have an So rate to 2023. But the offset to that is we're not anticipating any pickup in volumes from these levels. In fact, our Q2 may even be down a little bit from this quarter, as we won't get some of the restocking shipments we expect in the Q1.

Speaker 3

So based on that, we'll see headwinds from volumes. But as volumes begin to recover and as the actions that we Are taking over the course of the year to optimize our footprint, take hold, then we expect that we would be back on that track To get back to 40% or greater.

Speaker 4

Got it. And then I guess, I think you kind of hinted at the answer to my next question, but Just give us a sense where you are in terms of the chip bins. It sounds like you had an opportunity to begin restocking those in the 4th quarter And you expect to restock perhaps more in the Q1, but it sounds like, am I right to assume that by the end of the March quarter, you're probably back Normal levels in terms of chip bins or inventory levels at your semiconductor customers?

Speaker 3

Yes, that's right. We definitely saw some benefit of that in the Q4. And as I said in my comments, we've been able to largely restock those. Now there's a little more to go, So we'll get a little more benefit in the Q1, but we anticipate that that will be customers will have the inventories they would like on their shelves by the end of the Q1.

Speaker 4

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Scott Graham with Loop Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Hi, I'm here. I'm sorry. We'll take it over

Speaker 7

to Scott.

Speaker 1

Hey, Scott.

Speaker 6

Hey, same thing. Congrats on a good finish Good evening. Couple of questions. So you're looking the backlog Where it is, you're looking to bring that to I think you said you either said $2,400,000,000 to $500,000,000 or down I think you meant maybe I misunderstood down by $400,000,000 to 500,000,000 Could you how does that play out? I'm sorry, I just missed that when you

Speaker 7

said it.

Speaker 3

Yes, no worries. We expect that backlog, we like to bring it To about $400,000,000 to $500,000,000 We think that's a reasonable target level. That would actually be probably a little more than historical levels, but just given the nature of the markets These days, we think that's a more normalized levels. And as we said, we expect that to happen over the next several quarters. We continue to have very healthy backlog.

Speaker 3

As we mentioned, our non semiconductor backlog actually increased For industrial and medical and was about flat for the others. So it's actually continues to be an opportunity for us as we get Some of the critical or scarce parts in to be able to bring in our lead times, bring that backlog into more normalized levels, And we expect that will happen over the next several quarters.

Speaker 6

Thank you, Paul. And then can you just remind me the Or maybe just tell us the $875,000,000 how does that split by business?

Speaker 3

Yes, we haven't historically broken that out. But as I mentioned, the backlog reduction this time was largely concentrated or entirely Traded in semiconductor, in part because we removed some backlog out of our reported backlog, the China orders that was about 40%. And the rest was really about rebalancing in our semiconductor markets. We were able to fill in some of the bins, as I mentioned in my earlier question. We've been able to bring our lead times down and of course our customers have reacted to the lower demand environment and brought their orders down.

Speaker 3

So If you look outside of semi, our backlog was about flat from last quarter, reflecting really stronger demand across Those markets and continues to represent an opportunity for us to bring that more in line and either buffer Lower demands if that happens in the future or deliver some upside if we can get additional parts as we go forward. But our goal would clearly be To try to bring that backlog and therefore our lead times more in line with that $400,000,000 to $500,000,000 target.

Speaker 6

I got you. And then last one for me, just a quickie. The gross margin guide for the Q1 low 36s. I'm surprised you didn't mention mix As one of the key components of the Delta, where does mix fall in that?

Speaker 3

Yes. I think mix does have some impact, Certainly, as we go from the 2nd from the 4th quarter to the Q1. But if you look at overall, sort of the combination of the actions we're taking, a little bit Fewer of the PPV recoveries, we still expect to have higher material costs, but less recoveries. Those things tend to are kind of tending and the actions, like I said, we're taking are kind of Setting the impact of the lower volumes overall. So net net, we expect to be down a little bit.

Speaker 3

It's actually, we think, pretty good From a delever perspective, the hold margins, I'll say down a little bit or down to flat. And it's a function of the actions we're taking and some improvement in material costs offsetting the other items. As we think as we look forward, we think we can probably hold gross margins and trough margins around 36%, I'll say plus or minus, depending on volumes and where the markets go. But that's kind of how we're thinking about it. And as was asked earlier by Quinn, Particularly in the second half as these material costs subside, the impact full impact of the actions we're taking Optimize our factory footprints, those should help to see a little margin improvement in the back half of the year, but really position us in 2024 to see Either continued margin improvements at sort of the similar lower levels or if we see revenues pick up a little bit, be able to kind of accelerate back towards our 40% target.

Speaker 7

That's great color. Thanks.

Speaker 6

Yes.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Krish Sankar with Cowen and Company, please proceed with your question.

Speaker 7

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I had a couple of them too. Paul, just to follow-up on your earlier comments. You mentioned 2nd half gross margin should improve and some of these cost reduction and other factors should offset volume declines.

Speaker 7

I'm kind of curious, what is your visibility today? Because if I try to triangulate your answers, it seems to me that the brunt of the revenue decline Happens in the first half and it kind of starts bottoming in Q2 or Q3 on a sequential basis and improves into Q4. Is there a way to think about linearity of revenues this year?

Speaker 3

Yes. We have to obviously, we're operating in this market where semi is down this coming year. But as we look at overall, we expect semi to be down, and we expect our other markets to be generally About flat or relatively stable overall. And so from an operating perspective, That way we're planning is you're right, we expect most of the brunt to be here in the Q1, perhaps a little more in the second quarter, particularly as we won't have the benefit of the inventory stocking on the semiconductor side, and it kind of bounced around those levels for the balance of the year. I think that's generally consistent with how people see the market right now.

Speaker 3

Obviously, it's hard to look out that far and know for sure. But that's our operating assumption and the gross margin color I give sort of reflects That type of a revenue projection.

Speaker 7

Got it. Got it. Well, I have 2 other questions. One is, obviously, last year, you guys did really well Outperforming WFE, typically component companies tend to underperform WFE during down years. I'm just kind of curious If you think WFE is done, pick a number 20% or 25%.

Speaker 7

How to think about your semi revenues relative to where WFE ends up this year? Would you be In line, worse, better than that, and then I had a quick follow-up.

Speaker 2

Yes, Krish. I'll jump in here. I think maybe the first thing we should talk about is the fact that AE now is 50% non semi as well as 50% semiconductor revenue. As we said before, we think the non semiconductor revenue, we could hold that flattish year on year. So that's quite a cushion for us Compared to past semiconductor downturns.

Speaker 2

Within semiconductor, we think We do have pockets of strength. Our service business is much larger and stronger than it's been in past downturns. We've got a very good position in eye and implant. And as you know, there's still a lot of demand for ion implanters out there as people try to address the power IC shortage. And then we've got a number of new product ramps that are happening across the application set in semiconductors, which So to offset to a certain extent some of the downdraft in semiconductor.

Speaker 7

Got it. Got it. Thanks, Steve, for that. And then just a final follow-up On the backlog, I think Paul, you mentioned normalized backlog of $400,000,000 to $500,000,000 Is this fair to assume you probably get to those levels in a couple Quarters of revenues continue to decline and at that level, is it roughly a fifty-fifty mix of semi and non semi?

Speaker 3

I don't know how long it takes. It kind of depends on the demand environment. But we've already seen sort of, I'll say a pretty good reset of the semi backlog this quarter. We took out the China demand and we've normal we've Adjusted that basically to our customers' outlook at this point. So the balance, if you think about where most The rest of the backlog is in our industrial and medical areas, which I said despite kind of again near record shipments, that I and M backlog was up again this So it depends a bit of a function on the demand, how well the demand for these other markets Continues, we think that looks relatively stable, all things considered.

Speaker 3

And then our ability to solve critical parts and actually eat into that backlog and bring our lead Time is down. So that's a little bit how we think of it. My sense is it will take a few quarters to roll that down. I doubt that that's going to get to our target

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Atif Malik with Citi. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions and nice execution. First, Steve, if you can talk about what you're seeing on the data center market And maybe if you have color, enterprise versus cloud, we have been hearing about moderation in that market. Your comments and backlog indicate that you're seeing a stability in that market. So what are you seeing in the data center market?

Speaker 2

Yes, it's interesting. We obviously have strong participation in that market. I could say We have not seen major changes in demand. In fact, we're still supply constrained in that market. And our customers in the hyperscale market are constrained by power supply manufacturers like us, quite frankly.

Speaker 2

So what we're seeing is continued pull from the customers, but we're also seeing a transition happening and it's moving in our favor basically. We see the move to 48 volts. It's starting to accelerate. We are the leader there. We were the 1st and we sold the best technology for 48 volt Type Hyperscale Applications.

Speaker 2

We see a strong move to higher efficiency as the cost of electricity go up And the environmental concerns become more prominent. We're in a good position because we have the most efficient solutions. And finally, we see a strong move to artificial intelligence, which increases GPU and memory intensity. It really places a premium on power density and that's also an area where we excel. So I think over the medium to long term, we're well positioned To gain share because of these technology advantages we have.

Speaker 2

In the short term, we see demand still being pretty strong, but gated by component availability.

Speaker 8

Great. And a follow-up for Paul, if you can Touch on restructuring and are there opportunities for fixed asset optimization as you Guys heading to a downturn and eventually come out. Are there areas where you can prune some products or businesses to lift up those gross margins? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Sure. So as we announced a plan for restructuring, this is largely around optimizing our And a few targeted reductions around the company. We do think that our goal as part of this isn't just to try to match headcount to some level of production or output, but it's actually to improve our footprint. So we want to move products from some of our smaller factories and leverage those around our larger factories. There's areas where we're going to make some investments.

Speaker 3

As Steve mentioned, we'll expand our newly acquired footprint in Mexico because we think that's An attractive place and gives us some strategic benefit in North America. And our larger factories will Continue to optimize those around efficiency and capability. So we would expect to come out of this with, I'll say maybe a little bit smaller footprint certainly from a headcount perspective, but a more efficient one and ability to scale better as we move into the next upturn.

Speaker 2

And just to address your question about exiting businesses, we have no intention of exiting any business. And we had some concerns About the computing and networking businesses a couple of years ago, and I could say we've done a really good job Improving the bottom line performance there. So I'm much less concerned than I was 2 years ago. We've also done a good job refocusing our on proprietary opportunities within those market spaces. And so between a better job managing our pricing tactically and a better job Focusing on higher value opportunities, I think that business is looking much better.

Speaker 8

Thanks, Steve.

Speaker 2

You're welcome.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Steve Barger with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 9

Thanks. For the expected acceleration of new product wins and design wins Jared, do you expect more traction from modified standards or full custom solutions? And can you talk about how those compare just from a time to market and margin perspective?

Speaker 2

Yes, Steve. I think it's a combination of both, quite frankly. The important thing Is there introducing a lot more new platforms, that's across semiconductor, industrial and medical, as well as in the high volume Areas like data center. And what happens with those new platforms, it goes 1 of 2 ways. The customer will say, hey, this meets our needs, But I need a few changes and that's a modified standard.

Speaker 2

Or the customer will say, you're pretty close, but I need Some significant changes. And I'll leverage what you have, but I need this other feature as well. And that's more of a custom product. But either way, we're happy with it because at the end of the day, ends up being a sole source product and a source of revenue for many years to come.

Speaker 9

Is there a big difference in dollars and margin between the 2?

Speaker 2

Not really. So the full custom products tend to go to large customers, so they're higher volume typically. So they require more engineering investment upfront, but then the volumes and the dollars will be higher with those types of products. The modified standards tend to be more towards small and medium sized customers. The engineering effort is much less.

Speaker 2

But the gross margin percentage for both of those products is similar.

Speaker 9

Got it. And you You said there's a strong network of distributors and value added resellers. Are you fully covered in those channels, especially in the newer markets, medical and industrial, In terms of geographies and can you talk about the mix impact of having more product go through those channels versus direct sales?

Speaker 2

Yes. If I look at our position relative to our competitors, I think we have more of a worldwide footprint than most. So we have strong organizations in Asia, Europe and North America. That said, there's a lot of improvements we could make And we're doing that. And so, we've held sales conferences in the past year in all regions and really tried to align Our internal sales teams with our external partners, they make a much more concerted effort Trying to penetrate Industrial Medical customers.

Speaker 2

So I have high hopes that we could do a lot better this year and in 2024.

Speaker 9

Understood. Thanks.

Operator

Our next question is from Pavel Molchanov with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Thanks for taking the question. Given the macro headwinds on the demand side That you've outlined today, I'm curious if The M and A landscape in terms of, kind of perspective target rich environment is Perhaps offering better opportunities now than it was in happier times 12 or 18 months ago.

Speaker 2

Yes, I'll take that one, Pavel. We think the environment today for strategic buyers It's better than it was last year or in 2021. So that's a positive. I think Many of the companies that operate in our space have been handicapped from the past 2 years due to the part shortages. So I think some of those shortages are starting to go away.

Speaker 2

And I think they're probably going to realize this is about as good as it's going to get, right? So there Some demand challenges, but the financial performance they come up with in 2022 will lead to, I think more reasonable valuations as we engage with those targets. So yes, the bottom line answer to your question is, I think it's a more favorable environment And we'll take advantage of that.

Speaker 5

And from a balance sheet perspective, I think the last two quarters you had kind of de minimis share buyback and not much M and A recently. So you'll be pretty soon in sizable net cash position. What are your thoughts on Kind of openness to lever off the balance sheet if needed for the right opportunity.

Speaker 3

Yes, you're right, Pavel. We have a good balance sheet. We have net cash again after a brief time when we are about cash and debt equal. And we should generate cash during the downturn here. And we're fortunate that we have a very good credit agreement in place that's relatively low cost that We can extend either through a line of credit or through some accordion features that are within it.

Speaker 3

So I think we have capacity If we saw the right opportunity to be able to use both our balance sheet and our credit position To make that acquisition. At the same time, we're going to balance, make sure that's the right return. Money costs more these days. And also ensure that we don't over lever the company. So we in general have a target of not going beyond 3 times a leverage ratio.

Speaker 3

And so we would manage all those things to make sure that we add value through any M and A that we did.

Speaker 5

And then just lastly, a quick point of clarification with the shutdown of Shenzhen, What is the manufacturing footprint of the company right now?

Speaker 3

Yes. Really three main areas where we have large factories. We still have one in China. We now have a large and very good factory in Malaysia, And we have footprint in the Philippines. We also have a handful of, we call them, kind of boutique factories in different places aligned With local engineering teams for some of the acquisitions we've done over time.

Speaker 5

Very clear. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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