ASGN Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • ASGN reported Q1 2023 revenues of $1.1 billion, up 3.5% year-over-year, with IT consulting revenues exceeding 50% of total, while discretionary staffing bookings fell more than expected, pushing adjusted EBITDA margin to 10.9%.
  • Commercial consulting grew 32.7% year-over-year (20% organically), driven by record bookings and strategic wins on ServiceNow implementations and AI-powered healthcare monitoring, as clients shift budgets toward modernization and customer-experience projects.
  • Federal segment revenues rose 15% (5.5% organically) to $296.7 million, with backlog over $3 billion and a 2.6x coverage ratio, despite procurement delays and protests; key awards included DHS web-content services, Army pay-system modernization, and new cybersecurity mandates via IronVine.
  • Gross margin compressed by 100 bps to 28.9% on mix shifts (more federal work, fewer high-margin digital/placement revenues), SG&A rose 5.7% but benefited from variable cost levers, and free cash flow jumped 48% to $68.8 million as DSO improved by 1.2 days.
  • With M&A opportunities limited and shares trading attractively, the Board approved a new $500 million buyback; Q2 guidance calls for $1.11–1.145 billion in revenues (–2.8% to +0.3% yoy) and $125–135 million of adjusted EBITDA amid ongoing macro uncertainty.
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Earnings Conference Call
ASGN Q1 2023
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There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

And welcome to the ASGN Incorporated First Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Kimberly Eskerkin, Investor Relations.

Operator

Thank you, Kimberly. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today for ASGN's Q1 conference call. With me are Ted Hanson, Chief Executive Officer Ram Blaser, President and Marie Perry, Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started, I would like to remind everyone that our commentary contains forward looking statements. Although we believe these statements are reasonable, They are subject to risks and uncertainties, and as such, our actual results could differ materially from those statements.

Speaker 1

Certain of these risks and uncertainties are described in today's press release and in our SEC filings. We do not assume any obligation to update statements made on this call. For your convenience, our prepared remarks and supplemental materials can be found in the Investor Relations section of our website at investors. Asgn.com. Please also note that on this call, we will be referencing certain non GAAP measures, such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income and free cash flow.

Speaker 1

These non GAAP measures are intended to supplement the comparable GAAP measures. Reconciliations between GAAP and non GAAP measures are included in today's press release. I will now turn the call over to Ted Hanson, Chief Executive Officer.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Kimberly, and thank you for joining ASGN's Q1 2023 earnings call. Continuing to execute solidly in the core strategic areas of our business, ASGN's revenues for the Q1 of 2023 improved 3.5% as compared to the prior year period. IT consulting revenues, including both commercial and federal government work, Surpass the 50% mark at $568,400,000 or 50.4 percent of the 1st quarter revenues compared to 42.4 percent of revenues in the prior year quarter. The strong growth of this business, Particularly in light of macro conditions, reconfirms our strategic decision to double down on high end, Higher value consulting work for Fortune 1,000 and Federal Government client. We have the right group of Professionals in place to successfully execute against this long term plan.

Speaker 2

And I want to thank all of the ASGN team for your efforts this past quarter and pushing our growth strategy forward. In contrast to commercial consulting and federal government work, The areas of our business that are more discretionary and cyclical in nature, namely assignment revenue declined. We programmed for some of this in our guidance. However, the decline toward the end of the quarter was greater than we had initially anticipated, and this negatively impacted our adjusted EBITDA margin. Nevertheless, at 10.9% for the Q1, which is seasonally the lowest.

Speaker 2

Adjusted EBITDA margins remain solidly in the double digits. Importantly, The long term adjusted EBITDA margin profile of our business has not changed and is expected to further improve over time based on our move toward a more consultative model. In addition, while a leading indicator on the downside, Permit placement and creative digital marketing have historically seen an uptick in revenue as macro conditions improve, followed by more sustained rallies once the economy exits a recessionary period. In the meantime, given market conditions, We are leveraging our variable cost structure and proactively taking down expenses in certain areas of the business while investing in others. Those actions are protecting our adjusted EBITDA margins today and into the future.

Speaker 2

Also, our free cash flow benefited from a reduction in accounts receivable DSO by 1.2 days. ASGN's capital allocation strategy has not changed. We still believe that M and A remains the best use of and highest return on capital. Having said that, with limited deals in the pipeline at present, we expect to be more active in repurchasing ASGN shares given our view of the rather compelling share price. Our Board of Directors has recently approved a new 2 year $500,000,000 share repurchase authorization.

Speaker 2

With that as a background, let us discuss our segment performance for the quarter. Our Commercial segment, which predominantly serves large enterprises and Fortune 1,000 companies, reported Q1 2023 revenues relatively consistent with the prior year period on a tough double digit year over year comparison. Apex Systems, our largest division, accounted for 85.4 percent of the Commercial segment revenues. Revenues for the division improved 3.1% for the quarter with top accounts achieving low single digit growth and retail accounts achieving high single digit growth year over year. Creative digital marketing and permanent placement revenues, which represent 14.6% of commercial segment revenues, Declined double digits year over year.

Speaker 2

Our large enterprise industry diversified Commercial client base provides balance and protection to the downside. As such, even with the pullback in more of our discretionary businesses, We continue to see solid progress in 3 of our 5 Commercial Segment Industry Verticals in the quarter. Financial Services and Healthcare vertical saw single digit revenue growth year over year, while Consumer and Industrial Vertical revenues improved high single digits compared to the Q1 of 2022. The Technology, Media and Telecom or TMT And Business and Government Services verticals both declined mid single digits. In Financial Services, growth was driven principally by Wealth Management.

Speaker 2

Improvement in our healthcare vertical revenues was largely driven by growth in provider accounts, while consumer and industrial strength was led by Growth in Energy, Utility and Consumer Staples. In the TMT vertical, telecommunications and technology accounts pullback with delays in work and the impact of layoffs. In Business and Government Services, Aerospace and Defense accounts Saw solid growth during the quarter, while we saw a double digit revenue pullback in business services. Turning to our consulting business. Our consulting offerings remain an important source of the value we provide clients and a core part of our strategic growth strategy.

Speaker 2

For the Q1, commercial consulting revenues increased 32.7 percent year over year and were up 20% organically. Bookings were a record for the quarter and totaled approximately 1.3:one on a trailing 12 months basis. With such strong bookings, it is evident that our clients Continue to invest in IT consulting projects. In fact, while we have seen some of our clients de emphasize smaller discretionary projects, They are reprioritizing their focus to other areas such as work aimed at modernizing their systems and improving customer experiences. ASGN has been able to leverage these trends and remain favored by our clients in the consulting space as a result of our long standing relationships, Our expansive solutions portfolio and our unique delivery model.

Speaker 2

So let me provide some examples of our commercial consulting wins for the quarter. In Q1, Apex Systems, in partnership with our GlideFAST unit, Was awarded a new contract to provide development services on the ServiceNow platform to a global automotive company. This same client also tasked our team with digitizing, automating and optimizing its supply chain management processes. This is just one of the 13 new client wins during the Q1 in which Apex brought the client relationship To the table and glide fast the ServiceNow capabilities in order to jointly secure the contract. Also during the Q1, we won a contract with a leading U.

Speaker 2

S. Health care provider to help them deploy the application that uses artificial intelligence to detect when patients are performing an action that puts the patient at risk of falling And then send an alert to the health care provider to review and take the appropriate action. The goal of the project is to increase the number of rooms the application Can safely monitor remotely by leveraging AI and an Apex Systems developed application. Let's now turn to our federal government segment, which provides mission critical solutions to the Department of Defense, The intelligence community and federal civilian agencies. Federal segment revenues for the quarter were up 15% compared to the Q1 of 2022, driven by a combination of organic growth and the impact of our recent IronVine acquisition.

Speaker 2

Contract backlog was over $3,000,000,000 at the end of the Q1 or a healthy coverage ratio of 2.6 times The segment's trailing 12 month revenues. New contract awards for the quarter were approximately $75,200,000 which translates to a book to bill of 0.9:one on a trailing 12 months basis. We are seeing delays in project funding largely due to new multi phase procurement cycles and an increase in award protests. Q1 is also often seasonally low for our federal government segment as the government acquisition cycle tends to lag behind the budget cycle. That said, our pipeline of opportunities remains robust and the number of projects submitted awaiting award is as high as it's ever been.

Speaker 2

So let's turn to some examples of projects won during the Q1. In the quarter, our team secured a number of recompetes And won new contract awards. In terms of recompete, ECS again secured the Department of Homeland Security, Web Content Management as a Service contract, in which we are supporting the DHS with enterprise content delivery, DevSecOps and Cloud Platform Enhancement. With regards to new awards during the quarter, CCS won a prime contract to support the modernization and agile transformation of the Army's integrated pay and personnel system, which is the Army's number one IT priority at present. IronVine is also making great progress And ECS has leveraged Ironbine cybersecurity capabilities to pursue new opportunities across its entire client base.

Speaker 2

For example, in the Q1, ECS won a new contract under IronVine to support the Millennium Challenge Corporation with designing, Building and installing in country solutions to track infrastructure investments in Kosovo and Malawi. This momentum has continued, and I'm pleased to report that ECS has already seen several bookings in early Q2. For example, we recently won a recompete of over $100,000,000 to perform advanced addressing and geospatial Technology solutions for our long standing global mail delivery and shipping customer. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Marie, our CFO, to discuss the Q1 results and our Q2 2023 guidance.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Ted. It's great to speak with everyone again today. Revenues for the Q1 were $1,100,000,000 up 3.5% year over year on an as reported basis. Excluding $50,400,000 from businesses acquired in the past 12 months, Revenues were down 1.2% compared to the prior year quarter. I'd like to put the 1st Quarter revenue results into perspective.

Speaker 3

From a seasonality standpoint, revenues in the Q1 of each calendar year tend to be lighter as many clients finalize the funding of their calendar year project budgets. Also on a consolidated basis, We achieved over 20% year over year revenue growth in the Q1 of 2022, creating a tough year over year comparison. While we anticipate some softness in our Q1 guidance due to macroeconomic conditions, as Ted noted, we fell below our guidance Mainly due to further revenue declines towards the end of the quarter and our more discretionary and cyclical assignment work. Revenues from our Commercial segment were $832,100,000 essentially flat year over year on an as reported basis and down 3.2% organically. Revenues from commercial consulting, the largest of our high margin revenue streams, Excluding the $25,900,000 contribution from GlideFast, consulting services revenue improved 20% year over year.

Speaker 3

Revenues from our federal government segment were $296,700,000 up 15% year over year. Excluding the contribution from Ironvine of $24,500,000 revenues for the segment increased 5.5%. Moving on to margins. On a consolidated basis, gross margin was 28.9%, down 100 basis points over the Q1 of last year. The compression in gross margin was mainly related to business mix, including a slightly higher mix of revenues from our federal government segment, which carry a lower gross margin than commercial revenues and a lower mix of creative digital marketing and perm placement revenues, which have higher gross margins.

Speaker 3

Gross margin for the Commercial segment was 31.5%, down 120 basis points year over year, primarily due to a smaller contribution from our discretionary and cyclical assignment revenues as noted. By contrast, gross margin for the federal government segment was 21.6%, up 70 basis points year over year due to a smaller amount of cost reimbursable contracts and the contribution from IronVine. SG and A expenses for the Q1 were $224,100,000 up 5.7% year over year due to investments in workforce and technology made in 2022. SG and A expenses were favorable to guidance due to the highly variable nature of our cost structure, which benefited from fluctuations in our incentive compensation and from attrition in our business. SG and A expenses also included 2 point $3,000,000 in acquisition, integration and strategic planning expenses that we do not include in our guidance estimates.

Speaker 3

As expected, interest expense increased year over year related to rising interest rates, which impact only a portion of our debt. As a reminder, over half of our debt is fixed at below market rates. Amortization of intangible assets with hires due to recent acquisitions. Income from continuing operations was 49,500,000 Adjusted EBITDA was $123,500,000 and adjusted EBITDA margin was 10.9%. Our 2 highest margin contributors, permanent placement and creative digital marketing revenues, pressured our adjusted EBITDA margin compared to what we had originally guided for the quarter.

Speaker 3

At the end of the quarter, cash and cash equivalents were $65,000,000 and we have full availability under our $460,000,000 senior secured revolver. Free cash flow for the quarter totaled $68,800,000 an improvement of 48.3% over the Q1 of 2022. As Ted mentioned, cash flows benefited from a reduction in accounts receivable thereby improving DSO by 1.2 days. With strong free cash flow generation and full availability under the revolver, we have ample dry powder to make strategic acquisitions. Given the limited acquisition opportunities at present and our stock trading at such attractive levels, We deployed $48,800,000 in cash on the repurchase of 563,200 shares of the company's common stock during the Q1.

Speaker 3

This week, our Board of Directors approved a new 2 year $500,000,000 share repurchase replacing the prior authorization. Turning to our guidance. Our financial estimates for the Q2 of 2023 are set Within our earnings release and supplemental materials, these estimates are based on trends in March April, Assumes 63.25 billable days in the second quarter, which is essentially the same as the year ago period and sequentially and include the estimated revenue contribution of $52,800,000 from acquisitions made in the last 12 months. We are providing wider ranges this quarter than in prior quarters to account for uncertain macro conditions at present. With that in mind, we expect macro conditions in the 2nd quarter to be similar to that of the first, with continued softness in assignment revenues.

Speaker 3

Given the seasonality of our business in Q1 being the lowest from a revenue standpoint, revenue should increase sequentially. We expect 2nd quarter revenues to be driven by commercial consulting and federal revenue growth, offset by continued softness in IT staffing consistent with our peer set and to a lower extent, declines in permanent placement in creative digital marketing. We also face another difficult year over year comparison that had over 17% growth in the Q2 of 2022. In our guidance numbers, we have assumed leverage from our variable cost structure and certain cost containment efforts, as well as lapping of the payroll tax reset in Q1. These assumptions limit the downward pressure on margins without hampering our long term growth drivers.

Speaker 3

With that background, for the Q2, we are estimating revenues at $1,110,000,000 to $1,145,000,000 on roughly the same number of billable days and against a difficult year over year comparable. This translates to a year over year growth rate of minus 2.8% to plus 0.3% compared to prior year quarter's results. We are estimating net income of $52,800,000 to 60,000,000 And adjusted EBITDA of $125,000,000 to $135,000,000 We are expecting gross margin will year over year primarily due to business mix similar to the more recent trends, including a greater mix of federal government work and the continued softness in assignment work. Adjusted EBITDA margins are also anticipated to decline year over year, but should benefit from our variable cost structure commensurate with revenue, along with other cost control measures such as headcount attrition and limitations in discretionary spending. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Now I'll turn the call over to Ted for some closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Marie. Like our peers, the difficult macroeconomic conditions are impacting our performance in the more discretionary, and strategically position our business to succeed throughout economic cycles. In the Q1, we did just that. We continue to evolve our business toward a more consultative model. While clients are scrutinizing spend, they're continuing to invest in IT projects that are critical for their businesses.

Speaker 2

With over 50% of our revenues now in Higher end, higher value IT consulting work. We are shaping and evolving our operations for success in both the short and the long term. Importantly, we have a number of key business stabilizers in place to support our business on the downside, and we remain committed to providing leading IT services and solutions to the commercial and government end markets we serve. Thank you all for joining our Q1 call. We will now open it up to your questions.

Speaker 2

Operator?

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question Thank you. Our next question is from Maggie Nolan with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Hi, thank you. Really interesting to see you guys cross that 50% of revenue mark My first question is around kind of client sentiment. I know you've mentioned that your clients tend to kind of finalize their budgets in the Q1. What kind of feedback were you getting from clients as they finalized process as it relates to kind of the full year spend projections.

Speaker 2

Yes, Maggie, I'll start and I'll let Rand kind of hop in with me The staffing programs and the staffing part of the business, they can put their finger on there first and moderate spend and get protective, if you will, based on future uncertainty. At the same time, you can see just based on the points in our consulting business that they continue to stay invested in projects that are going on in IT that are key And not only do they continue with projects that are going on, but they're also adding to that with new work. So I think the clients are just being, they're very wary. They're saving money And they're also continuing to invest in areas of the business that are Critical for IT. Now underneath of that, there's an industry by industry story, which we can get into.

Speaker 2

But I think overall at a high level, There's a certain cautiousness for sure within the client base. Rand, would you add anything to that?

Speaker 5

No. I think You hit everything. Maggie, obviously, we're watching the bookings numbers, rep consulting numbers. We're watching what's going on in their staffing programs, which Ted said Easier to put their finger on and pull back on, if you will. But in the consulting world, we're very pleased with, I think, the progress we've made and the I am still thinking forward and Ted is absolutely right.

Speaker 5

Some industries are obviously being more aggressive than others on their IT spend, But cautiousness is probably an operative word here.

Speaker 4

Got it. Thank you. And then I think it was Marie talking about evaluating some of your expenses Balancing that with your investment areas, given the market conditions, what are some of those key areas where you think you can cut back versus where will you continue to invest for future

Speaker 3

growth. Hi, Maggie. Some of those areas really is a discretionary component some of our spend and so items like travel, making sure we are tight on that. We also have attrition just built into model and so we see that coming to play as well. And so we believe that in addition though the combination of the attrition that's happening And then the rightsizing with the variable cost structure that we have, along with the control over some of those discretionary spend are those 3 categories.

Speaker 2

And if you think Maggie, if you think About our business in 3 buckets, if you will, obviously, in the staffing piece, which encompasses Creative Digital, IT and Permanent placements, that's where we're seeing most of our natural attrition. In commercial consulting, There's a good and productive marketplace, and so we're investing staying invested there and attacking that. And you can tell from our wins there that That's working. And then on the federal side also, it's a productive area right now. We're growing.

Speaker 2

We're staying invested around that. And so I think at a high level, Marie kind of captured all the areas and just inside the segments of our business, those are the pluses and minuses.

Speaker 5

Hey, Ted. This is Maggie. Can I just add real quick, because if you remember in the last quarter, we talked about banks being A good spender in the Q1 around IT proved out not to be quite so much, but the amount of activity is because of compliance and other information needs in that sector, both regional and big banks? We're hopeful that we'll see maybe a resurgence and therefore we're deploying to that.

Speaker 4

Got it. Thanks, Rand.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Tobey Sommer with

Speaker 6

On the commercial consulting area, What is the sales cycle look like? And how has it evolved year to date? You obviously had A good bookings quarter, but I'm wondering if you've seen and perceived any changes over the course of the 1st 4 months of the year?

Speaker 2

Randy, do you want to take that?

Speaker 5

Yes. Toby, I wouldn't really say there's much changes. I mean, Most Fortune 1,000 companies like ourselves, they have a IT path, modernization path, introduction of some technologies, Productive things that can improve productivity of the workforce and or the customer experience, and that path hasn't changed. I think there so the discussions we have with the client are still around those paths and what projects Can we take on to help them get there and be efficient, give them quality at the right price point, if you will. So Now we are back our pipeline is also growing.

Speaker 5

And so again, there are some industries, no Question, Toby, and I think Ted pointed this out already where we alluded to this that they're definitely a little bit more cautious and they just want to be slow, a little slower. So the sales process may elongate by some weeks or they may get something started but not go full bore right away. But For the most part, we've seen pretty good success and pretty good discussions across the board. There are some areas like I just mentioned to Maggie On the financial services end, there's new discussions now because there's new compliance requirements, new things to monitor, new things that they have to get their arms around, along with their cloud migrations and the other things that are ongoing.

Speaker 6

Thanks. And From a staffing perspective, where would you say the bill rate growth is now? And And how does that compare to either folks you have out on assignment or another volume metric, weekly hours, which Yes.

Speaker 2

Well, I would say bill rate growth is naturally happening in the business as we Have a higher mix of consultative type engagements, right? We're just it's a higher value proposition to the customer. We're getting better rates, higher rates, And we're also getting higher gross and EBITDA margins. So naturally across the business, we continue to see the bill rate go up. That's probably the number one factor.

Speaker 2

Number 2 factor underneath that is pay to bill spreads are remaining pretty steady. We're not seeing any degradation of that. And I think that speaks to kind of the continued tightness in the labor pool around mission critical IT set skill sets And that they're still in demand. So those are 2 data points around that.

Speaker 6

So I guess based on that kind of commentary, is it fair to assume that bill rate growth still exists In the staffing business and it is just being sort of overwhelmed by volume declines?

Speaker 2

It's so bill rate growth is still there for sure. It's not as steep as it was. Wage inflation, not as steep as it was. So those Are going up at a lesser level to what we saw in the past. And certainly, we're having volume declines in the staffing part of the business.

Speaker 6

Okay. And could you give us a sense for where perm is now and compare and contrast Where it is in the range historically and maybe also describe the margins in Creative Digital I know they've come down, but contextualize that too if you could.

Speaker 2

Sure. Well, permanent placement is around 3% right now. At a tie, it was close to 5. I would say 3.5 to 4 is kind of a normal level for us, if you will. And Creative Circle EBITDA margins are higher than our Overall company margins, they range kind of from the mid to high teens in that business and have been Pretty consistent and well managed by Matt Reilly at Creative Circle over a number of years.

Operator

Our next question comes from Heather Balsky with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 7

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I guess, first off, can you dig in a little bit more to the slowdown that you saw towards the end of the quarter. In terms of kind of the level of deceleration, what areas of your staffing Business were most impacted. And when you think about the guide for the second quarter, Are you assuming kind of a steady state from what you saw in March April?

Speaker 7

Or are you kind of factoring in further deceleration? Thanks.

Speaker 2

So maybe a couple of things here. I think coming across the New Year, if you think about coming from the end of December into January, we would typically see A slight notch down. And that's just natural end of projects and new projects are starting. And I think Marie mentioned in her commentary, That's a pretty normal thing in the business and we saw that in this year. What was unique is about 2 thirds of the way into the quarter, certainly end of February, instead of seeing us begin To track back up, we took another notch down.

Speaker 2

And that was unexpected. And I'd say that's really the difference. Now what we've seen in the last, What I'll say 4 to 6 weeks is a pretty good steadiness. So you're still down a little bit in the staffing part of the business and obviously you're up on the consulting side of the business. And so they pretty much have kind of continued that offsetting trend here for the last 4 to 6 weeks.

Speaker 2

So that's the Q1. If you think about the Q2, I think Marie's comments were that the guidance that we gave Really predicated a similar trend to what we've seen in March April. And that's the flattishness that I mentioned a few seconds ago. And so That's really where the guidance is predicated. We've built some conservatism in that For the staffing to potentially get a little bit weaker and you can see that both in the bands that we gave on the revenue and the EBITDA side, especially to the downside.

Speaker 2

So what we'll get, we'll have to watch and see, but that's what we see here just 3 weeks into the quarter.

Speaker 7

That's helpful. Thank you. And then switching gears, we've gotten some questions just with AI Being in the news and very topical, and just curious your thoughts on kind of how the rise of AI right now Potentially helps or could hurt your business. I think we've heard sort of full case there's opportunities for AI type roles and then on the flip side, is there a risk that sort of The number of tech jobs out there shrinks. Just curious to get your thoughts.

Speaker 2

Yes. So I'll start and then I know Ray has I'll turn it over to him. But I think this is a new business driver, if you will. I mean, so often things come along That kind of push the next wave of digitization, automation and IT work forward, and this is certainly going to be one of those. It's too early To really get your arms all the way around what the opportunity is, but there's no question that this is one of these.

Speaker 2

Inside of our business, I see it as a productivity driver. A lot of the things that we do for clients in terms of helping them solve problems either on the talent side or providing a certain solution is going to remain there. But in terms of How we operate and execute our business, early on, you can already see that there are going to be opportunities for AI To make a real difference in us continuing to increase the productivity and the way we serve our clients. Rand, what else would you add to that?

Speaker 5

Well, listen, everything Ted said was great. We obviously see AI as a key driver of IT And going forward along with machine learning. But let's remember and by the way, we featured some of that in this earnings call with our healthcare client, and we have in Past featured it with some of the work we're doing with the Department of Defense and the federal side. But let's remember that what you need is a good data structure. You need a good cloud And data structure in order to do AI.

Speaker 5

And so what you see from some of the other big tech giants is cloud work is still moving forward Because that's you've got to harness data, you've got to be able to assimilate, you've got to be able to track it, and the trends in data, Which is both a cloud and a data analysis set of things to do. So there's a lot of groundwork to be doing to make AI really work, Not to mention just the technology of AI and machine learning. So I think that's why you see a lot of us still growing in those areas.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeff Seiberg with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Hey, good afternoon. Ryan on for Jeff. Just a quick question. We've seen some headlines surrounding declines in IT spend. I was just wondering how those factors impact your business and are those impacting the digital transformation initiatives you've spoken about previously?

Speaker 8

Rand, do you

Speaker 2

want to take that?

Speaker 5

Yes. Let me start. First of all, Jeff, I would say there's a decline in IT staffing expenditures for sure. Okay. And that's because as Ted pointed out earlier, clients, Fortune 1,000 clients specifically can put their finger on it And leverage it or stop it or start it in hours, not even in days, okay?

Speaker 5

In consulting, we have not seen a slowdown In consulting spend, and the projects that make that up. So, I guess I would clarify that. And perm placement is also in that IT staffing piece. Why would you hire somebody on your corporate staff at this point in time in the economic cycle? But that will eventually come back, as you said.

Speaker 5

Jeff, the second part of your question was not just whether they're spending, but Go ahead. The second part was what?

Speaker 8

It was just on the digital, how that relates to digital transformation.

Speaker 5

Yes. I think digital transformation look, AI and machine learning is on everybody's mind in the press. But The cloud work and the data analysis I just mentioned is what I call infrastructure and building for that. The digital transformation is embedded and still a Big part of what we're doing for clients, we just recently signed a new piece of work with a telecommunications company, media company Using ServiceNow technology, our Glidefast business is growing. I think Ted mentioned that earlier, And their backlog and bookings are growing.

Speaker 5

So there's still a lot of interest in some of the digital information initiatives our clients are involved with. I think it goes to the comment Ted made earlier. Those are things that have already started. They may, if you will, go a little slower at some of them for a small period, but they're still going.

Speaker 6

Yes.

Speaker 2

Ryan, one more thing I would add to that. I think our clients view their IT initiatives are strategic just like we do, right? And so as we look at the things that we're doing in the business, we can't really take our foot off the gas. All these are about reaching our customers, being more productive, having better data and analysis, being in the cloud, having better security. And so while we may let some discretionary spend fall in certain areas inside of our own business, whether it's marketing or travel or Some levels of headcount or what have you.

Speaker 2

What we're going to do our best to stick with are our investments in all the IT projects That are helping us move down the pathway in our digital roadmap. And I feel like our clients look at the same In fact, I know they do because when we talk to them, that's most of what we get. Yes, they're being cautious to Rand's point, but I think IT spend now is so much a strategic initiative than it used to be a cost center, right? And so There's just a little bit different view of this. And yes, some of its spending will ebb and flow.

Speaker 2

None of us need laptops. We bought so many over the last couple 3 years, we don't need more laptops, but we do need to keep moving on all these things that are initiatives to get the right applications in our business, to get them into Cloud to keep them secure and make them productive for us to reach our customers and serve them in our services. So, anyway, that's kind of how we see it.

Speaker 8

Thanks for that. And then just

Speaker 6

to follow-up, if there were

Speaker 8

to be some Yes. And some of the top of the pyramid areas, such as architecture, implementation, consulting work, If you see those, would you see trends coincidentally in your consulting business, some of the systems deployments or service centers? Or is there Maybe some lag between those two areas of the consulting market.

Speaker 2

Well, Ran, certainly management consulting is an area that's maybe softer. If this went on longer, would IT spend around our Design and architecture be prorated, likely, but the execution of the work, which is where we play for the most part, should still be pretty strong.

Speaker 5

Yes, agreed.

Operator

Our next question comes from Surinder Thane with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 9

Thank you. Ted, just to follow-up on the earlier color about kind of The transition that's occurring in 1Q to 2Q in terms of the weakness that we saw in the staffing business. Can you talk about it in terms of was this company's kind of pulling back on staffing in the sense that they're delaying projects and they're Having people come off of those projects or is it the projects are tending to be pushed where in the pipeline maybe there was positions that were open And that you had anticipated filling, but at that point they've removed those positions. How should we think about that mix at this point? And Ultimately, what the longer term risk here is, over the next 6 to 12 months in terms of what kind of a pullback In terms of trying to kind of put ends on what the way the clients think about this.

Speaker 2

Andy, you want to take that?

Speaker 5

Well, Ted, let me start and then you can jump in. Surinder, the first thing I would say to you though is When you're on the staffing side, you don't always know what the project is. It's an electronic world where they have requisitions. They The answer is we have a sense, but it's not a project act. You're not hiring people for projects, you're hiring people.

Speaker 5

Where the company puts them Is to some extent through the electronic media means a little invisible to us. Now having said that, I think it's just a question of when they're rotating people or that they just Or taking a pause and when they start a new person back up. And I think they do that because it's a cost control measure. That's why companies have staffing programs that they and with the full visibility from the top down in the organization, Remember, 15 years ago, they didn't 20 years ago, they didn't really have all these programs. There was a lot of independent one off hiring people.

Speaker 5

They've really put great programs in place. They've made it electronic, which all of us have responded to and We've benefited from in the sense of transactional flow. But having said that, I think what they see is they know that this is a way that they can control costs at least in the short term. Not a long term answer, it's a short term answer just to bridge the gap till they decide to continue to move forward. But you can't run your service centers, for example, which is where some of that staffing goes, unless you up the productivity of that team Or you just limp along for a while because there's a general lower level of action going on in that service center.

Speaker 5

I'm using that as an example. If it's project oriented, it's more coming through the consulting program. And I think our backlog in consulting revenues talk for themselves.

Speaker 9

That's helpful. And then, as a follow on For Marie, can you maybe talk about M and A at this stage, given the color around the limited deal pipeline? Is that by design here, is it evaluation issue? How should we think about That part of the commentary.

Speaker 7

Well, I mean from an M and

Speaker 3

A perspective, I mean, it's really around trying to find that right deal to your point that meets our value proposition. So We've said that our use of capital that M and A is the first and best use.

Speaker 2

But you know where we are So I get it. I get it. Surrender, let me just let me add one more thing. I think it's This is which, obviously, we've done here during the last quarter and intend to continue with the new share repurchase authorization and continued free cash flow here as we go forward. So look, we still would love To find certain properties that fit our shopping list that we have defined both in commercial and gov, we continue to talk to Various targets and that doesn't stop.

Speaker 2

It's just slower now and kind of nothing at the lip of the cup. To your point, I think one of your your last part of your question was about valuation. And there's still not a discovery of valuation today because their seller is not willing to sell a really good business into a marketplace where the buyer is not Willing to pay what he perceives or she perceives the multiple to be and say you've got a little bit of a stalemate going on still. And until the financing markets and the equity capital markets are working in a way that it supports a normal Amount of deal flow in that discovery can be made, we're at a little bit of a loggerhead, I would say.

Speaker 9

Thank you. That's helpful.

Operator

Our next question comes from Mark McCrone with Bayard. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 10

This is Andre Childress on for Mark. Thank you for taking our questions. So my first question will just follow-up on the last one. Can you speak about how you feel about your current debt levels and what are your thoughts on increasing leverage if the right opportunity did come up in this environment?

Speaker 2

Sure. So, great question, Andre. I mean, we're still very modestly leveraged. So I think on a senior basis secured, we're Less than 1, about 0.9. But on a total leverage basis, it's under 2, 1.9.

Speaker 2

We've always said that when we're below 2.5%, we're kind of under levered, if you will, if there are good M and A opportunities in the marketplace. In normal times, we've leveraged up to about 3.8 times about and we've done that on 5 different occasions, I believe, To make a larger acquisition and the margin and free cash flow characteristics of the business certainly support that, But these aren't normal times. So obviously, we're wary about leverage and how we think about that with so much Certainly in the market, but we have dry powder, we have free cash flow, we have $460,000,000 Auburn that doesn't have anything outstanding on it. We purposefully increased it, about 2 quarters ago so that If the right M and A opportunity came along, we could take advantage of it. So I would say we're willing to take on a little bit of leverage for the right thing, but you won't see us up at 33.8 times leverage metrics until we have some certainty in the market.

Speaker 10

Great. Thank you. That's very helpful color. And then my follow-up will be, you spoke a little bit about the new multi phase cycles on the federal side. Could you provide some more color on that?

Speaker 10

And any initial thoughts on how that could impact No strategy or go to market operations on the federal side?

Speaker 2

Yes. There's just a lot of gyrations going on in the whole Procurement world within the federal government still is hungover from COVID. It's still not quite cycling and working like it should. The government is going to big multilayered RFPs and awards Where they can to be more efficient. And that naturally is slowing down the procurement wheel To get something, an RFP put together, to get it on The Street, to get the right firms to respond to it, to adjudicate all that and then to finally make award.

Speaker 2

And then on the back end of all that, the world of protests has just taken on another level of craziness. There's just a lot more going on. It used to be you were very careful about making a protest, because you were basically Telling your customer they were wrong in terms of how they looked at certain situation and adjudicated down to a Final award, but today nobody is afraid to adjudicate it or to protest. It seems like that's the first response the minute an award is made. So and now not only are you seeing protests on the back end after awards are made, you're seeing them on the front end When firms don't agree with how the government customer is putting together the criteria when they put a contract out for bid.

Speaker 2

So it's just a there's just a different level of Stuff going on in that whole procurement world and it's quite honestly kind of just bringing complexity and slowing down the machine if you will Beyond the fact, the lingering effect from COVID.

Speaker 10

Great. Thank you so much.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to Ted Hanson, CEO, for closing comments.

Speaker 2

Great. Well, thank you for being with us today. We appreciate all your questions and your time.

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your

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