Fathom Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 10, 2023

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Day, and welcome to the FASM Holdings First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Alex Kovtun with The Gateway Group.

Operator

Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator, and welcome, everyone, to the Fathom Holdings 2023 First Quarter Conference Call. I'm Alex Kustom with Gateway Group, Fathom's Investor Relations firm. Before I turn things over to the Fathom management team, I want to remind listeners that today's Call may include forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 975. Such forward looking statements are subject to 31, 2022, as well as our latest Form 10 Q and other company filings made with the SEC, Copies of which are available on the SEC's website at www.sec.gov. As a result of those forward looking statements, actual results could differ materially.

Speaker 1

Fathom undertakes no obligation to update any forward looking statements after today's call, except as required by law. Please also note that during this call, we will be discussing adjusted EBITDA, which is a non GAAP financial measure as defined by SEC Regulation G. A reconciliation of this non GAAP financial measure The most directly comparable GAAP measure is included in today's press release, which is now posted on Fathom's website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Fathom's Founder, Chairman and CEO, Josh Harley. Josh?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Alex. Good afternoon, and welcome to our Q1 2023 earnings call. We're pleased to report a strong Q1 as compared to the overall market And what we feel is a great start to the year. I want to start by thanking our agents and employees across each of our businesses for their hard work and dedication as we Navigate the real estate market. Their commitment to supporting our growth, vision and serving others in the communities we operate It's a testament to the Fathom culture and I'm proud of them.

Speaker 2

The market has been tough for a lot of agents, but you wouldn't know it talking to some of them. Many agents I've talked to see this market as an opportunity to take greater market share by reinvest in the savings they get from being a fathom agent Into their marketing, while many other competitors are pulling back on their spend. I love to hear that because that's exactly why I started Southern in the first place. Our agents have worked hard to continue to grow and thrive even with all the market uncertainties and we're proud of our recent awards recognitions within the We were recently ranked 2nd by Real Trends 500 as an industry top mover for 2023 And rent is the 4th largest public independent brokerage, another notable category up from 6th place last year. We're also proud to be ranked as the 10th largest brokerage in transactions in the recent T360 Mega 1000.

Speaker 2

These achievements are testament to Fathom's commitment to providing top notch service and support to our agents and our clients and our ability to adapt and thrive in a rapidly evolving residential real estate industry. Before turning the call over to Marco Fresnillo, our President and CFO for a detailed review of our financial results. I'd like to touch on a few key highlights during the market during the quarter and what gives us confidence in our business regarding regardless of what happens in the housing market or interest rates this year. While the Q1 is typically the slowest quarter for transactions and was challenging quarter for residential real estate overall, we're encouraged by some recent Signs of stabilization across our markets along with the moderation in interest rates during the quarter to improve housing affordability. It's interesting to see that even in this market, 60% of listings are still selling within 30 days and 28% are still seeing multiple offers.

Speaker 2

While we don't know where interest rates will go this year or whether we're close to the bottom in the housing market, We believe that Fathom has a long and positive runway ahead. And with the latest rate increase, the Federal Reserve signaled that they may be done raising rates And inflation appears to be moving in the right direction. Our results this quarter continue to demonstrate the power of our Truly disruptive business model and how we're able to succeed irrespective of the market environment. During the Q1, Fathom completed approximately 8,532 real estate transactions and while down 15.4% from prior year's Q1, The decrease compares favorably to our peers in the entire U. S.

Speaker 2

Residential real estate market. In fact, according to the National Association of Realtors, The U. S. Residential real estate market saw overall transactions in the quarter declined 25% compared to Q1 of last year. So I'm sure you can see why I'll count that as a win for Faethm.

Speaker 2

As our transaction volume reflects, We continue to take market share from legacy brokerage firms despite the volatile environment and saw year over year transaction growth in several of our markets, including Miami, Las Vegas, the Bay Area and even Boston. We also increased our agent network 18% Over 10,628 agents at the end of the quarter, significantly beating the domestic growth of all of our public peers, but one who's reported so far. I'm proud that we're able to continue providing compelling value proposition through innovation and an industry leading commission model that's resonating well in this market and this environment. We also made significant strides towards achieving our goal of adjusted EBITDA breakeven in Q2 And cash flow profitability in Q3 of this year. During the Q1, we began to see the benefits from the cost reduction measures We've implemented and expect to see the full benefit of these actions in Q2.

Speaker 2

We're also continuing to identify opportunities to further right size our cost structure for the current environment and better position Fathom for improved operating leverage as the residential real estate market returns. Importantly, we believe these cost reductions were made without sacrificing our ability to grow. And in fact, We have allocated some of those savings to further strengthen our recruitment efforts. These cost reduction initiatives Combined with the increase in agent transaction fees that became effective in January of this year have positioned our business for profitable growth ahead. Fathom Realty continues to be among the fastest growing residential real estate brokerages in the U.

Speaker 2

S. And we're proud of our growth As we expand our reach nationwide, today Fathom Realty operates in 37 states and the District of Columbia. Fathom brings a unique model to the residential real estate market as we offer agents all the tools, the technology, Training and resources are larger traditional peers do, but at an industry leading flat fee commission split agents. More than ever, that remains a key point of differentiation during this period of high inflation and interest rates when agents across the industry struggle to generate leads And close sales. With our focus on servant leadership, our agents often say that they join Fathom for the higher income potential, but they stay for the culture.

Speaker 2

Our unique low cost and disruptive model has allowed Fathom to attract high quality agents and enjoy agent retention rates approximately twice the national average. Even though we charge our agents a small fraction of what other brokerages charge their agents, We believe our Realty business can be profitable with smaller number of transactions. The technology that powers our Realty operations Remains a key point differentiator as well as we can generate long term savings and ultimately charge our agents far less than others by owning it outright. Also licensed our proprietary technology to over 7 50 brokerages through a recurring revenue subscription model that drives incremental High margin revenue while enhancing awareness and differentiation of a brand within the industry. I'd like to provide an update of our agent trends and the steps Our cost to acquire 1 agent during Q1 remained low at approximately $900 making our breakeven on each agent less than the $11.50 that will earn back on their first sale.

Speaker 2

We also maintain strong retention rates, which are approximately twice the national average and remain exceptionally strong given the backdrop of agents leaving the industry. More importantly, 71 percent of agents who left Fathom sold 0 or only 1 home per year. And based on historic trends, we anticipate only we anticipate an additional attrition in the coming year will continue to be primarily from low producing agents. We recently launched an enhanced agent referral program called Free for Life And a revised agent commission structure. Both initiatives have been well received and our agent referral program continues to have a positive impact on our recruiting efforts.

Speaker 2

In fact, this March brought us our strongest growth through agent referrals in our company's history. We remain confident that Fathom is well positioned to achieve EBITDA breakeven next quarter. As we mentioned On our last call, we believe 2023 will be a pivotal year for Fathom as we turn the corner on profitability and really start to show the operating leverage in our business. Plus our ancillary businesses have the Potential to dramatically increase our revenue and profitability per transaction over time, and we're continuing to see progress across those businesses, giving us increased confidence in our growth strategy. During the Q1, we also saw improved attach rates within our title and mortgage businesses As we continue to go deeper in the markets where we operate and we recently expanded our title operations in Utah.

Speaker 2

To close, We remain optimistic about the year ahead and believe that we are well positioned to continue growing our business in 2023. With that, I'd like to pass it over to Marco for our financial update.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Josh. I'll start with a detailed review of 1st quarter 2023 results and we'll finish with a discussion on guidance. 1st quarter revenue declined 14% year over $5,700,000 or a loss of $0.36 per share compared with a loss of $6,000,000 or a loss of 0.38 $0.10 per share for the 2022 Q1. Adjusted EBITDA loss, a non GAAP measure, was $1,400,000 in the 1st quarter versus adjusted EBITDA loss of $2,100,000 for the Q1 of 2022. The $700,000 in adjusted EBITDA this quarter was largely driven by a reduction in expenses and additional agent fees that went into effect in January.

Speaker 3

Notably, this improvement was achieved despite the 14% decrease in revenue this quarter compared to Q1 of 2022. G and A expense was $9,600,000 in the Q1 or 12.4 percent of revenue compared with $10,900,000 or 12% of revenue for the same period a year ago. Again, to be noted that G and A did not meaningfully increase as a percentage of revenue despite the 14% In total, our operations and support, technology and development, and G and A expenses Decreased by almost $2,000,000 from $14,500,000 in Q1 of 2022 to $12,500,000 in Q1 of 2023. This reduction reflects the benefits of our expense reduction initiative that commenced last quarter. Expenses related to marketing activities were $716,000 for the Q1 compared to $1,200,000 for last year's Q1.

Speaker 3

The decrease in marketing expenses is related to leveraging internal resources and optimizing advertising expenditures. Now I'll spend some time reviewing our business segment results in more detail. We closed a 5 8,530 will state transactions in the quarter, a 15.4% decrease from last year's Q1, but well below the 25% reduction the overall market We ended Q1 with 10,628 agents, which represents an 18% growth over Q1 of 2022. Adjusted EBITDA in the real estate division is approximately $1,300,000 an increase of $400,000 compared to adjusted EBITDA of 900,000 in Q1 of 2022. This increase was achieved despite the 15% decrease in transactions this quarter compared to the same quarter last year and reflects an increase in fees and favorable impact of cost cutting measures.

Speaker 3

Our mortgage business generated revenues of $1,500,000 in the quarter compared to $2,900,000 in prior year period. Mortgage adjusted EBITDA for Q1 was a negative 600,000 Our team continues to identify opportunities to reduce expenses to right size our mortgage business going forward as well as Increased revenues by increasing additional loan officers. DIA, our insurance business, generated revenues of $1,600,000 for quarter compared to revenues of $1,400,000 for the same period a year ago. This represents an increase of 7.5%. Adjusted EBITDA increased 265 percent from $100,000 in Q1 of 2022 to $391,000

Speaker 2

in Q1

Speaker 3

This reflects the great work our DIA team has done in Q1 to adjust expenses while still growing revenue. Verast Title had revenues of $596,000 for the quarter compared to $1,100,000 in revenue for Q1 of 2022. Adjusted EBITDA was negative $330,000 compared to a $50,000 positive adjusted EBITDA in Q1 of 2022. The decrease in revenue and adjusted EBITDA is primarily due to the significant decrease in purchase and the refi business due to higher interest rates. However, in March April, we have seen a significant increase in the number of file starts from FADM agents in the North Carolina and Dallas markets, which should represent an increase in the attach rate in Q2.

Speaker 3

Now let's move on to our Technology segment. Revenues increased 17% to $756,000 compared to $645,000 for last year's Q1. Adjusted EBITDA loss for the quarter decreased by 46% from $395,000 in Q1 of last year to 212,000 in current quarter. Our LiveBi team continues to increase its footprint across the country to reach over 2 35 MLSs and 400,000 agents at the end of the quarter. Live by Power's more than 3,600,000 community pages with over 125 We continue to focus on our balance sheet given the dynamic real estate market conditions and ended the quarter with a cash position of $6,700,000 We recently completed a convertible note private placement to provide additional operating liquidity and flexibility as We execute our goal of getting to breakeven.

Speaker 3

We believe our cash position and additional private placement provides us with the adequate runway to grow the business and execute our strategy through profitability. We did not purchase any shares in the Q1 under the stock repurchase plan and Approximately $40,000,000 remain under net authorization. Now before turning the call back to Josh, let me briefly touch on guidance. Given the continued uncertainty in the macro environment, we are only providing guidance for the Q2 ending on June 30, 2023. For the Q2, we expect revenues in the range of $88,000,000 to $90,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA in the range of breakeven to $100,000 to $200,000 positive.

Speaker 3

As a reminder, guidance is forward looking, which as we noted in the beginning of the call, is subject to risks and uncertainties. I want to thank the entire team at Fathom for their hard work, passion and commitment to excellence. The last 6 months have been some of the most difficult months in Fathom's history, But through the hard work of our team, we have been able to demonstrate that we can outperform the market even in challenging economic times. With that, I'll turn the call back to Josh for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Marco. We remain focused on execution and are well positioned to achieve Breakeven profitability in Q2 with our model and can thrive throughout various real estate cycles. With that, operator, let's open up the call for questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question will come from John Campbell with Stephens Inc. You may now go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, this is A. J. Hayes stepping in for John Campbell. Congrats on the quarter and I appreciate You guys taking our questions. First thing, on your guys' EBITDA inflection, just kind of wanted to see like is there any additional steps needed to get there?

Speaker 4

How dependent on the market is this outlook, how dependent is that on kind of your outlook for the market in your brokerage business? How dependent Is it on a recovery in mortgage and better attach rates and maybe mortgage gain on sale? Just trying to get a sense of what assumptions underlying assumptions may be built into This outlook here.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Thank you for your question. We As we are today on May 10, we have a good feel for the quarter. So that's the first and foremost. We are definitely seeing an improvement in file starts in Q2 compared to Q1.

Speaker 3

There are 2 Components of that, 1st is certainly seasonality. And second, I think Josh mentioned earlier that many of the Fathom agents are using their Savings that they get from Fathom and they invest in marketing. So we are anticipating an increase In revenue and transactions, in terms of the cost structure, I believe about 85% to 90% of our 3,000,000 Has been already it's already built in into Q1 numbers. So there's a little bit more in Q2. So I think the overall answer To your questions is that we feel pretty good about the guidance we're giving.

Speaker 3

And we're not assuming a significant increase in the market. If the market does continue to increase even in a greater way than we are anticipating, I think then our numbers could be even better, but we feel fairly confident about the guidance we're giving, given what the market conditions are today.

Speaker 4

Got you. And then maybe shifting the focus kind of to hitting positive cash flow in 3Q 'twenty three, you guys reiterated that target again, which It's great to hear. But given the uptick in interest expense as a result of that new convert, can you kind of walk us through the moving pieces there? Did you change your underlying assumptions needed to hit this target, such as the macro, the existing home sales, maybe mortgage gain on sale? And this might be much of Same as kind of what you answered in the last question, but maybe trying to get a sense was there may be already a degree of conservatism or wiggle room in that inflection?

Speaker 4

Any color there would be much appreciated.

Speaker 3

Sure. Great question. I

Speaker 2

don't have any chance, Mark. Go ahead.

Speaker 3

Well, I think, look, we continue to apply the same model, right, in terms of Q3. The components that lead us to if you continue the curve of adjusted EBITDA in Q2 to In terms of our cash flow positive in terms of Q3, one aspect of that is the seasonality of the industry. 2nd, When we look at the ancillary businesses, all our ancillary business continue to grow. Even in a tough They continue to gain market share. DIA, for example, has done a really great job and continue to increase its revenue and EBITDA And a 2 65% in EBITDA increases is a phenomenal result.

Speaker 3

So we continue it's a combination of our ancillary business continue to gain market share and continue to grow. The combination of the full execution of our $3,000,000 per quarter in cost reduction And certainly the aspect of the seasonality. We are not anticipating in our numbers a significant increase in the market In terms of upside, some have argued that the Fed may start lowering interest rates in Q3 and Q4. We are not putting that Our model, and so we are really somewhat conservative in terms of the upside, in terms of getting to the cash flow break even in Q3. But it's really a combination of all those factors.

Speaker 2

I want to add some color, if I may, though. I want to make sure you understand that we didn't do that because we were worried about not being able to Reach the breakeven or reach cash flow profitability is really just out of just being wise. You don't know what you don't know. We don't want to be foolish. We want to make sure that we had some additional buffer there for the just in case that sometimes happens in this world, Especially in this market.

Speaker 2

So we're just trying to be prudent, trying to be thoughtful about the business. But at the same time, we have to ask ourselves, do we really want to do this? We feel very confident that we're going to be able to continue to achieve what we've said we've been able to achieve. So far that hasn't changed. But again, so raising Bringing back extra capital is really just, I guess, add a little extra touch of wisdom in the business.

Speaker 4

That makes sense. Thank you for the color there. One more question if I may and then I'll pass the mic along. But I wanted just to narrow in on the mortgage business here for a second. Josh, you had said attach rates improved in mortgage as well as title.

Speaker 4

But Can you maybe provide an exact number for mortgage and maybe title or maybe just like a general kind of Estimate there. And then Marco, you may have briefly touched on this, but what was this improvement attributable to? Was it anything And then also is gain on sale, is that something that's starting to normalize in which maybe your updated outlook in terms of gain on sale?

Speaker 2

I know the first part of the question is directed at me. As far as attach rate goes, we haven't shared The attach rate and what the exact numbers are attach rate other than the fact that we're seeing improvements. I feel strongly that we probably need to keep it that way for right now. I know none of our peers actually share those specific numbers either. I think there's I start to realize there's a reason for that.

Speaker 2

Things kind of ebb and flow, but We are seeing improvements. We do feel a lot better about the tax rates. We're starting to see a lot more agents really buy into and understand the It's a part of our Fathom family. And the more we support our ancillary services, the more we support that Fathom family, The more it benefits everybody. So while we're not prepared to hear the exact attached numbers, we are definitely seeing improvements.

Speaker 3

Our improvement in the mortgage business is a combination of several factors. 1, The leadership in our mortgage company continues to recruit more loan officers and continue to grow the revenue base. And I think we look forward To demonstrating that when we announced our Q2 numbers and subsequently Q3 numbers. So it's a combination of adding More loan officers to the team. 2nd, we focused the attach rate to a certain extent, We took a more focused approach and focus our mortgage business to a certain extent in the North Carolina in the Texas area.

Speaker 3

And so therefore, given us the ability to grow our market share into those states much deeper, So that certainly has helped the tax rate. We've also implemented a variety of pilot programs in Q1 in terms of marketing programs and We'll be able to give an update on those in Q2 once they're fully executed and we'll be able to do that. And then the last part is the gain on mortgage. So Certainly, the market has become a little more consistent and stable. If you go back to Q3 and Q4 last year, it was a highly Unstable market in terms of the gain on mortgage.

Speaker 3

There's plenty of data out there that shows how mortgage companies Profitability of mortgage companies have decreased significantly in terms of what happened in Q3 and Q4. So yes, we're definitely seeing a more stable market, not a great market yet, certainly not compared to Q1 of last year in Q2, but it's definitely more stable. We're not seeing the ups and downs in profitability of the loan, and I think that's a good start. We're hoping that by Q2 and Q3, things continue to get even more stabilized and easier to sort of anticipate What the market would do. But we certainly feel better today about our mortgage business than we did in Q4.

Speaker 3

And we are very hopeful that as we continue to Our card will see better results in Q2 and Q3.

Speaker 4

Great. Thank you so much and good luck for the rest of the year.

Speaker 3

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question will come from Darren Aftahi with ROTH Capital Partners. You may now go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, this is Dylan on for Darren. Thanks for taking the questions. If I start firstly with marketing, could you sort of talk about Both the reduction in marketing spend, but then sort of the confidence you may have with referrals to sort of offset That lower spend and still grow

Speaker 3

agents? Great question. Hey, Dylan, great question. So the reduction in marketing is not so much focused on so much on recruiting. It's really more focused on a variety of Really optimizing our marketing machine, if you will.

Speaker 3

So we have we've optimized a lot of our internal resources. We've optimized on how we spend dollars in terms of our advertising campaigns. And so a combination of that Plus some shifting of dollars resulted in that decrease in market. However, we actually have Increase our recruiting team. And so where the dollars look like have been decreased, which they are, we actually have increased our recruiting team.

Speaker 3

The second part of your question was the referral rate. As Josh indicated, the month of March, we had the highest Internal referral rate ever in our history, and we feel confident that's going to continue as agents continue to see the benefit of our Free for Life program. And Roy said that's going to take some time for agents to fully benefit there, right? But certainly in Q2 sorry, Q1 in March, we've seen a significant increase in that. And we anticipate that continue to maintain itself as we continue to increase the number of agents that we recruit.

Speaker 5

Yes. Just to sort of touch on that. The sequential net adds and agents sort of how many were From referrals versus, I guess, what you can call more organic?

Speaker 2

For March, it was 60%. For the whole quarter, Marco, do you have that number off the top of your head?

Speaker 3

So, yes. So, we don't give the net number, Dylan, in terms of that. We can give you that a gross number, the internal referral was at 60% on the gross number. And then when you look at the net number, keep in mind that Q1 has the highest turnover, right, number of agents leaving the industry. Our churn rate in Q1 was 2.2%, which is significantly higher than our average around 1.5%, 1.6%, right?

Speaker 3

And so the 2 things to keep in mind, 1, about 60% of our agents came from internal referrals, which is the highest we've ever seen. And second that in Q1, we not only Fathom, but the whole industry sees a significant higher churn percentage as agents leave the industry because they don't want to pay all their annual fees that they have to pay in Q1.

Speaker 2

By the way, If you go back in time and you listen to some of our earlier, especially Q1 of last year or even earlier than that, you'll see we actually spoke that About 35% of our growth was agents referring to other agents. And now to see that number hit 60% is pretty exciting.

Speaker 5

Got it. No, I appreciate the color. That's helpful. And then just a follow-up for me. On the productivity side, I mean, obviously, the demand is down from lower home sales in the market.

Speaker 5

But could you sort of talk about, I guess, The type of agents you're recruiting or your existing base, like how are you seeing their productivity evolve over time as like as in improving the potential number of transactions they can handle?

Speaker 3

So for Q1, it was fairly consistent across the board for 15%. I mean that we've seen that pretty much fairly consistent. Some states are Higher than others in some states or less, but that decrease in the number of transactions in the private table is fairly consistent across. So We think and when you compare that against the other public companies, I think you see that our decreasing in Percentage was about half of what everyone's seen. What we see in the market is fairly consistent around 25%.

Speaker 3

I Yes. Some states in the West Coast are seeing a higher percentage and some states in the East Coast are seeing a lower percentage, but across the board it's 25%. Across our agents, it's fairly consistent on the 15%.

Speaker 5

Great. I'll pass it on. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you,

Operator

Our next question will come from Tom White with D. A. Davidson. You may now go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, this is Wyatt Swanson on for Tom. Thanks for taking our questions. I've got a quick one here more on the longer term regarding the value proposition. If you look 2 to 3 years out, what do you think are the most likely areas that are We just see some meaningful evolution or improvement in terms of the ways for you guys to add value to agents.

Speaker 2

I think it really comes down to probably better training. You think about how number 1, obviously, how do we add more agents and then once we add those agents, How do we help them improve their productivity per agent? One of the things we've said in the past is the average agent who joined Spathom increases the business by 49% Over a 4 year period. So that happens naturally. Just simply the fact they've got more money to be able to reinvest back in the business, A lot of agents will pocket the money and pay bills with it or feed the family or take vacations, but a lot of agents are They run businesses, right?

Speaker 2

And they will reinvest that money back into their business. So that just happens naturally. But one area that I think we can see great improvement, we've been Exploring this more is increased training, increased coaching for individual agents to say, okay, you have the savings, now what? Not everyone knows where to spend that money. Can we help coach them and show them how and where?

Speaker 2

Can we help train them to be better at their job, be better at their craft. And so I think that's an area that we can dramatically improve inside our own house. And I think that will dramatically improve the productivity per agent. So obviously, we want to By increasing agents, we also increase transactions by making our agents better. And then the third way, of course, is by offering even more solutions, more training, more Resources to our agents, we should also be able to attract higher producing agents.

Speaker 2

So I think there's 3 really strong ways to think 3 really strong ways that we can do to be able to increase the number of transactions per agent.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question and answer session. Would like to turn the conference back over to Josh Harley for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Of course, thank you for joining our call today and your interest in Fathom. For those of you who are Fathom shareholders, thank you for your trust. We will continue to work hard and look forward to sharing future updates with you. Have a wonderful

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