KKR & Co. Inc. Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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May 8, 2023

There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to KKR's First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. During today's presentation, all parties will be in listen only mode. Following management's prepared remarks, the conference will be open for questions. Please note this conference is being recorded.

Operator

I will now hand the call over to Craig Larson, Head of Investor Relations for KKR. Craig, please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our Q1 2023 earnings call. As usual for the call, I'm joined by Scott Nuttall, our Co Chief Executive Officer and Rob Lewin, our Chief Financial Officer. We'd like to remind everyone that we'll refer to non GAAP measures on the call, which are reconciled to GAAP figures in our press release, This call will contain forward looking statements, which do not guarantee future events or performance.

Speaker 1

Please refer to our earnings release and our SEC filings Cautionary factors about these statements. This quarter, fee related earnings per share came in at $0.62 and after tax distributable earnings came in at $0.81 per share. I'm going to begin the call by walking through the details for the quarter before turning things over to So beginning with management fees. Management fee growth continues to be a real bright spot for us. In Q1, management fees were 7 $38,000,000 That's up 18% year over year.

Speaker 1

And looking over the last 12 months, management fees are up 23%. Looking a little deeper, over the last 12 months, management fees in private equity and credit both increased 18%, while in real assets, management fees are up 40%. Net transaction and monitoring fees were $142,000,000 for the quarter, $102,000,000 of which came from our Capital Markets business. Our fee related compensation margin was at the midpoint for the quarter at 22.5% and other operating expenses were $150,000,000 So putting that together, fee related earnings were $549,000,000 for the quarter or $0.62 per share, which I mentioned a moment ago, and that's with an FRE margin of 61%. This is now the 10th consecutive quarter where you've seen our FRE margin at or above that 60% level.

Speaker 1

Walking further down the income statement, realized performance income totaled $175,000,000 driven by our traditional and core private equity businesses And realized investment income was $198,000,000 for the quarter, driven by activity and growth equity. Both realized performance and investment income Compensation margins were at their midpoints for the quarter. Our asset management operating earnings were $778,000,000 And our insurance segment generated $205,000,000 of pretax operating earnings, which I'll spend another minute on shortly. So in aggregate, this resulted in after tax distributable earnings of $719,000,000 or $0.81 per share. Now turning to investment performance.

Speaker 1

The traditional private equity business was up 2% for the quarter and over the last 12 months was down 9%. Importantly here, inception to date IRRs for our blended flagship funds, so Americas 12, Europe 5 and Asia 4 remain strong at 22%, which is meaningfully ahead of the corresponding 7% figure While we are all seeing a difficult market for a handful of areas within real estate, our portfolio continues to be heavily weighted towards those assets We are seeing strong fundamentals and cash flow growth. So think industrial assets, data centers, rental housing, student housing and storage. However, as cap rates increased in the quarter, that more than offset NOI growth leading to the modest decline in the portfolio for the quarter. Infrastructure was up 7% in the quarter.

Speaker 1

This performance reflects the strength of our infrastructure portfolio on a global basis. And with higher interest rates, we've strategically leaned into more inflation protected assets. On the leverage credit side, the portfolio was up 4% in the quarter, outperforming its index, while the alternative credit portfolio was up 2%. And for the balance sheet, investment performance was flat In Q1. Now in addition, we have 2 new updates that can be seen through the earnings release.

Speaker 1

First, I briefly mentioned our insurance results this quarter. Turning back to this topic, we expect you saw the recast financials we posted last week on our website and also These changes reflected 2 things. First, per FASB guidance and as required for all SEC filers, we implemented the accounting principles of LDTI within KKR's Insurance segment to reflect the new accounting standards for long duration contracts such as life insurance and annuities. Overall, the impacts here on our segment financials are quite modest. There was a $1,000,000 positive impact to 2021 Pretax Insurance segment operating earnings and a $74,000,000 positive impact to 2022 pre tax insurance segment operating earnings.

Speaker 1

And in terms of twelvethirty one book value, there is an increase of 480,000,000 And second, to conform to other alternative asset management companies and enhance comparability, we're reporting our insurance segment operating earnings on a pretax, not on an after tax basis. So as you look at Page 3 of the earnings release, income taxes attributable to KKR's Asset Management and our Insurance segment Are now captured within that single line item titled income taxes on operating earnings. The 8 ks referenced a moment ago recast our financials, reflecting all of these changes for And the second change within our press release you'll see on Page 25. We've included additional disclosure on our core private equity strategy. With $34,000,000,000 of AUM, we believe we have the largest core PE asset management business in the world.

Speaker 1

And core PE remains the largest We have on our balance sheet, so we thought the additional disclosure and context would be helpful for investors this quarter as well as in quarters to come. As a reminder, this is a long duration investment strategy for us where we expect to hold investments for 10 to 15 plus years and believe these investments carry a more modest risk return profile compared to traditional PE. And as you can see on the page, Our core PE balance sheet investments have increased steadily from $1,400,000,000 in 2018 to over $5,700,000,000 of fair value today. The $5,700,000,000 of fair value compares to the $2,700,000,000 of costs or 2.1 multiple of costs currently, a strong return over approximately 5 years. In total, Core comprises approximately 32% of total balance sheet investments and consists of 19 companies And with a little over 20% of total PE capital invested in the last 12 months into core PE, We remain very active in this space.

Speaker 1

And one final note, consistent with historical practice, we increased our dividend to $0.165 per share per quarter or $0.66 on an annualized basis. This is now the 4th consecutive year we've increased our dividend since we changed our corporate structure. And with that, I'm pleased to turn the call over to Rob.

Speaker 2

Thanks a lot, Greg. Past few months have certainly continued to be dynamic on the macro front. However, different backdrops do create opportunities, especially for firms like ours that have substantial locked up capital, A significant amount of dry powder and a global and highly coordinated investment team with expertise that spans multiple different asset classes. I thought it would be helpful this morning to go through what we are experiencing day to day across the firm. Let's start with fundraising.

Speaker 2

We raised $12,000,000,000 of capital in the quarter. In Private Equity, activity this quarter included the final close on European Fund 6 at $8,000,000,000 which is approximately 20% larger than its predecessor. It's a really great outcome In what is the most challenged part of the fundraising market and now gives us $40,000,000,000 of committed capital in total, Looking at our active traditional PE funds across Asia, North America and Europe. We believe this is the largest active capital In Credit and Liquid Strategies, we raised almost $9,000,000,000 in Q1, which is just about what we raised on average per quarter in 2022. In total though, the $12,000,000,000 of new capital raised is a little bit on the lighter side for us.

Speaker 2

Scott is going to follow-up with a little more color on the fundraising environment in a few minutes. Now against this backdrop, we still do feel incredibly fortunate for a few reasons. First, since 2020, We've raised approximately $60,000,000,000 of capital for our traditional private equity and core private equity franchises. Given all the flagships raised over this period, 2023 was never going to be an outsized fundraising year for us. So our focus in private equity is on investing the capital that we have previously raised.

Speaker 2

And we have almost as dry powder as we've ever had as Now to be clear, we are still in the market fundraising for 30 plus strategies, largely in real assets and credit Over the next 12 to 18 months and our fundraising teams remain highly engaged with our clients. 2nd, We continue to make progress against our strategic priorities. As an example, we've talked to Private Wealth and Democratized Products several times on these calls. And we are pleased that since our last earnings call, our democratized private equity vehicle outside the U. S.

Speaker 2

Raised over $400,000,000 on just one platform at its first Which will show up in our Q2 results. It's a great start for us and we hope to build on this momentum with the wirehouses as the domestic vehicle comes online in the second half of the year. And in terms of our democratized infrastructure strategy, Our U. S. Vehicle is expecting a first close over the summer, while its international counterpart is right on its heels with a first close expected soon thereafter.

Speaker 2

We are really excited about both of these strategies. And while we're in the earlier days, we're pleased with initial reception and enthusiasm. The launch of these products is a critical step in addressing the huge private wealth end market and bringing products that traditionally have largely not been accessible The non institutional clients on a global scale. And 3rd, on the insurance front, Momentum really does continue at Global Atlantic. AUMFGA has almost doubled since we announced the acquisition in July 2020 from 72,000,000,000 to $142,000,000,000 today.

Speaker 2

And since the transaction closed in early 2021, our share of book value has increased from $2,900,000,000 to 4,400,000,000 In terms of Q1, financial performance continued to run ahead of our expectations and capital raising remains robust. While GA did not announce any block transactions in Q1, our pipeline here of compelling opportunities remains quite strong, and we would expect greater activity over time. Turning now to deployment. We have $106,000,000,000 of dry powder, which is close to a record figure for us and feel really excited about the investing environment that we are currently in. So We remain incredibly well positioned to build the portfolio for the future.

Speaker 2

And looking at what our teams have done more recently, We continue to be pretty creative of putting that capital to work. In European Private Equity, we announced the acquisition of FGS Global, A leading strategic communications advisory firm. This is the latest example of the team's focus on proprietary opportunities where we can provide long term capital and a global network of resources to help an entrepreneurial world class management team that we've known and worked with for over a decade. In infrastructure, we closed on the acquisition of Vantage Towers in partnership with Vodafone. Vantage is our latest take private transaction.

Speaker 2

We have announced or closed on 10 take private since the beginning of 2022. An investment largely from our diversified core infra funds, Vantage is the 2nd largest telecom tower company in Europe. And in our credit business, we are very constructive on the risk reward we're seeing today in the market. As the syndicated loan markets have remained choppy, New issue volumes are down over 50% year to date. Companies looking for debt capital continue to increasingly look to the private credit markets, where base rates are up, Spreads are wider and lender protections are more significant.

Speaker 2

We believe that we are in the best direct lending environment that we have seen For the past 10 plus years. Now with interesting deployment, which largely comes from higher volatility, does come a more challenged monetization environment. The environment here continues to be quiet and our expectation is that it will remain soft for much of 2023. However, as we've discussed in prior calls, our business model has multiple advantages. And one of them is that 90 plus percent of our capital is locked up for the long term or is perpetual in nature.

Speaker 2

So we are not poor sellers and we won't look to aggressively monetize our portfolio unless it's into a window that maximizes outcomes for our investors. Even with the volatility and markdowns we have appropriately taken over the last 12 to 15 months, we maintain over $9,000,000,000 of embedded gains on our balance sheet. So if we never made another investment and created no additional value or returns, we are positioned to generate $9 plus 1,000,000,000 of monetization related revenue. The key message you're hearing from us today is that we remain highly confident in our portfolio and will optimize the monetization outcome when it is most advantageous to our investors. So to summarize, While the past several months have presented a more challenging operating environment, it has not changed our long term outlook.

Speaker 2

We continue to have more conviction in our ability to meet our goals FRE of 4 plus dollars per share and after tax DE of 7 plus dollars per share by 20.26 than we did when we first issued that guidance in late 2021. In our teaching materials posted at the beginning of this year, We introduced 6 very significant drivers of value creation for KKR. These areas Real Assets, Asia Pacific, Core Private Equity, Private Wealth, Insurance, as well as the opportunities afforded to us through our balance sheet Continue to position us for substantial growth and that is why we have the confidence that we do in our long term fundamentals. With that, let me hand it off to Scott.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Rob, and thank you everybody for joining our call today. I thought today I'd talk about what we're seeing near term and how we're feeling longer term. Near term, The market volatility is doing 3 things. It's causing some institutional asset allocators to be more cautious and delay decisions. It's making us want to sell less of our portfolio and it's creating some very attractive investment opportunities for us.

Speaker 3

On the fundraising front, we are seeing some investors pause as they get their bearings. This is in particular true in some U. S. European Institutions. It has not been the case in other areas.

Speaker 3

Until this changes, It will likely slow down capital formation in the near term for some of our efforts. We don't expect this to have a big impact on the firm for a couple of reasons. First, as Rob noted, We are not in the market with our flagship PE funds this year. We expect those to come back to market in 2024 2025. Frankly, we're fortunate with that timing.

Speaker 3

We have been actively raising capital, however, for our non private equity businesses. To put some numbers to this, new capital raised over the last 12 months totaled $67,000,000,000 $63,000,000,000 or 95% of that number was raised in strategies outside of traditional private equity funds. Given the growth in scaling across our credit and real asset platforms, we are meaningfully more diversified across strategies than someone less familiar with KKR would likely expect. 2nd, we are seeing the benefit of increased diversification across our distribution channels and are less reliant on any one type of investor than we used to be. As background, a handful of years ago, we sold almost exclusively to institutions.

Speaker 3

Today, we sell to institutions, insurance and private wealth. Taking those in turn, While some institutions are pulling back or delaying a bit, others like sovereign wealth funds are not. And we are having a number of productive dialogues globally, in particular around private credit and real assets. Our insurance efforts are also scaling meaningfully. You heard the $142,000,000,000 number from Global Atlantic.

Speaker 3

If you include the $56,000,000,000 we have from 3rd party insurers, We now manage nearly $200,000,000,000 for insurance companies globally. That number is up nearly 50% from 2 years ago. Also, as Rob referenced, we are now live with our democratized PE and infrastructure strategies. Our democratized real estate product has been raising capital since mid-twenty 21 and is adding more platforms. And we have another private credit vehicle for the wealth channel in the pipeline and being added to multiple new platforms over the course of the next several quarters.

Speaker 3

Candidly, we don't yet know what all this will yield, But we do know it will be upside for us relative to what we've been doing to date. And we know that the private wealth opportunity is significant So we are diversifying KKR not just in how we invest, but in how we access capital. And we see all this lining up really well for us over the next couple of years. As we expect to be back in the market with our flagship funds at a more hospitable time, which will coincide with us continuing to scale our insurance efforts, which are proving countercyclical and benefiting from a higher rate environment. At which point we will also be more mature in Private Wealth with our products on multiple platforms in multiple geographies, All the while, our recently expanded sales force, up from 100 to 280 people in the last couple of years, is hitting their stride.

Speaker 3

So despite the near term fundraising environment, we feel good about the progress we're making and now have multiple ways to win with more momentum coming. So that all bodes well. On the monetization front, we will likely sell less in an environment like this, we are seeing the value of the portfolio continue to grow. So this is really just a timing question. And on the investing front, The great news is times like these tend to generate some of our best investments.

Speaker 3

We expect the next couple of years to be strong vintage years for returns So we expect our earnings down the road to be higher as we monetize the investments we're making in this environment. Putting this all together, while the near term may feel harder to interpret and the next couple of quarters may stay bumpy in markets, We actually feel great about how we are building the firm and executing our plan. Now switching to the longer term. Last quarter, I referenced the market volatility And suggested it's important to separate the signal from the noise and that we remain focused on what we can control. That continues to be the case.

Speaker 3

The market noise has not changed our bottom line. We feel even more convicted In January, we shared how the earnings power of the firm has evolved. We are in a fundamentally different place than we were even a few years ago. Because we report DE largely on a cash basis, There will be times we are over earning that earnings power and times we are under earning. In times like this, when we are selling less, We are under earning.

Speaker 3

But we look at how that earnings power is trending, and our progress has been significant. Our ability to create forward looking financial outcomes is well ahead of where we were just a few years ago. The capital we're raising is increasing the amount of dry powder we have, already a near record $106,000,000,000 And we have a lot of management fee growth visibility with $37,000,000,000 of committed capital, where fees turn on when the capital is invested. Our carry bearing invested capital, up 3 times over the last 5 or so years, is continuing to scale with a great investing environment in front of us as we deploy our dry powder. And our embedded gains continue to increase from $2,000,000,000 to $9,000,000,000 over the last 3 years.

Speaker 3

Putting all this together and stepping back, our run rate earnings power has doubled over the last 3 years at KKR. That's a metric we think matters, especially when the noise is loud. So thank you for taking the time to understand our business. And hopefully, it's clear why we are so optimistic about the path and growth ahead. With that, we're happy to take your questions.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer and a confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question We ask you to please limit yourself to one question. If you have additional questions, you may re queue and time permitting those questions will be addressed. And our first question is from the line of Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs, please proceed with your questions.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe we could start with some The dynamics you're seeing in private credit and specifically I was hoping we can zone in on direct lending. So Scott, you suggested that's an area where you continue to see opportunities and the environment remains obviously quite interesting there. Can you help maybe unpack like sort of the sizing of that business for you guys outside of the BDC?

Speaker 4

And ultimately, how much of third party capital outside of GA, you have in there and the opportunity to really scale that where you could bring in 3rd party assets into the franchise? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Sounds good. Thanks for the question, Alex. Craig, why don't you kick off and then I'll jump on.

Speaker 1

Yes, sure. So look, I think in terms of the industry, just to start there, Alex, Some of the dynamics we're seeing, I think mid market private equity firms, which really are a lot of the driver of the deployment you see here do have a lot of dry powder. And so you're seeing more of these firms, more mid market borrowers generally who want to use the private debt markets. So we expect the private debt markets broadly in direct lending specifically to continue to grow and take share. And I think in terms of KKR, you should expect to see us grow here in a number of ways.

Speaker 1

1st, In a traditional institutional format, so we're fundraising for our U. S. And European direct lending strategies. 2nd, we have our BDC, as you mentioned, And we think there'll be opportunities over time to introduce additional vehicles focused on the private wealth opportunity. And finally, Global Atlantic is also active here.

Speaker 1

So I think in summary, direct lending, it's a core part of our credit business, lots of ways for us to grow. We think that can be in the institutional private wealth insurance businesses, across multiple forms of capital, traditional funds, separately managed accounts, perpetual capital, And that's both in the U. S. And outside the U. S.

Speaker 1

So, again, the backdrop for us just feels really constructive with lots of opportunities going in.

Speaker 3

Yes. Just a couple of thoughts I'd add, Alex. First off, if you think about our overall private credit and like corporate credit business, it's Roughly $75,000,000,000 or so of assets. If you include real estate credit, which is a very large business for us, That adds another roughly $30,000,000,000 to $35,000,000,000 So we're $110,000,000,000 give or take $1,000,000,000 of total between the two. And that is to your question really fed across a number of different vehicles.

Speaker 3

We've got Global Atlantic, we've got our BDC and other permanent vehicles, we have funds, we have Separate accounts and we're raising capital across all of those. And we continue to see, to Craig's point, a real opportunity to continue to scale those businesses, especially in this environment Where the traditional banks are pulling back. But I would highlight a few things. Direct lending gets a lot of attention. The senior secured opportunity is definitely there.

Speaker 3

Spreads are wider, protections are greater. We think this is going to be a great vintage period and we're finding real interest from investors around the world In that seniority plus yield of a higher base rate, so we think that interest will continue. The other thing that doesn't get as much attention is our asset based finance business, Which is also a very large opportunity for us, a very large business. That is roughly a $4,000,000,000,000 to $5,000,000,000,000 end market in terms of opportunity on its way to 7,000,000,000,000 This is think of it as a series of different hard assets and consumer assets that the banks used to finance that they're pulling back from. We have a number of platforms that we've created to go after that space, Again, accessed across all the different types of vehicles I mentioned.

Speaker 3

And then real estate, it's real estate credit, you can imagine what that market looks Over the next several years, it's going to be a big opportunity for us to scale there as well. And we're already one of the largest players. So big opportunity for growth as we think about how do we double $200,000,000,000 plus in credit globally again from here.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks so much.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Patrick Davitt with Autonomous Research. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Good afternoon. Thanks. You mentioned holding on to some things longer. Probably last week, a competitor gave a pretty big guide down on

Speaker 2

And in conversations, still think there's a path to posting meaningful pickup in the second half? Thank you. Hey, Patrick, thanks for the question. So I think and I flagged this in the prepared remarks, we're seeing a pretty quiet monetization outlook out there right now. That's what we're seeing in our current pipeline, and our expectation is probably going to remain that way for the duration of the year.

Speaker 2

Now I think there's A few separate points to hit on here for KKR specifically. I think the most important point, and I mentioned this earlier, is that 90 plus percent of our capital At KKR, it is either perpetual or locked up for 8 plus years from inception. In terms of our carry eligible AUM, I bet that number is probably closer to 100%. And so we are generally not for sellers into the marketplace. Number 2, while the near term here could be pretty slow, There are a number of factors that really contribute to our confidence in being able to generate very meaningful step ups in monetization related revenue in the future When the environment improves, number 1, it's the health of our existing portfolio.

Speaker 2

It's really strong. I don't think that we can overstate that point enough. We feel really good that we got the macro right coming into this period of time, and we'll exit it in a stronger position competitively As a result, number 2 is really the scaling and diversification of our capital deployment over the last 5 years That's going to generate the carry and balance sheet gains in the future. Scott hit on this in his prepared remarks, but our carry eligible AUM is up 3 times versus the last vintage, And 95 plus percent of that $106,000,000,000 is carry eligible. And so really the question here Around the trade offs between monetizing investments today versus in the future was one of the key reasons Why we included that earnings power framework that we did in our teach in materials from January, it's that metric I think that really speaks to the go forward opportunity for us and why we remain So constructive on the longer term ability to generate real monetization outcomes and ultimately $7 plus per share of TDE by 2026.

Speaker 3

Yes. The only thing I'd add Patrick, a couple of things. One is, obviously, to be heavily market dependent. I think Rob hit on it. We've gone from $2,000,000,000 to $9,000,000,000 of unrealized gains in the last 3 years.

Speaker 3

So that's the number that we track. That's why we share that with you. So this is just a matter of when do we choose that we want to monetize some of those gains. On the margin, especially in U. S.

Speaker 3

And Europe, We're probably going to choose to wait. But keep in mind, one of the things we benefit from is a more global portfolio than most. Asia, in particular, has Different market dynamics going on right now, I think that will help on the margin. But the bigger picture message you should take is the $4 of FRE plus that we shared in the $7 plus of TDE per share a few years out, we still feel great about that. So I wouldn't get too worried about what we sell in the next couple of quarters.

Speaker 3

I'd focus more on that earnings power and where do we expect to end up. My personal perspective is, I would expect those numbers will go up relative to down based on what we're going through now.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Brian McKenna with JMP Securities.

Speaker 1

So I had a question

Speaker 6

on your infrastructure business. Fund 4 has about $10,000,000,000 of uncalled commitments. So how should we think about the quarterly pace of deployment here for the remainder of the year? And then do you have any initial expectations around the size and timing of Fund 5?

Speaker 1

Hey, Brian, it's Craig. Why don't I start? First on deployment, one of the things that is interesting and you've Picked up on this is the real scaling you've seen over time in deployment. So in 2019, in for deployment was $2,100,000,000 in 2020 2.2. And over the trailing 12 months, we've invested $14,000,000,000 across the infrastructure platform.

Speaker 1

Activity is Very high. This remains among the busiest teams in the framework of our firm, and it's global. So and returns, again, as you would have seen the snapshot from Page 7, Have continued to be, we think strong and differentiated. So I think the activity level continues to be high. We haven't announced anything as it relates to timing of future fundraising, etcetera.

Speaker 1

But I think if we continue to execute The way that we have, there'll be continued opportunities for us. And then one other point here is, again, innovation is not is going to continue in the framework of the firm. And I think you're seeing that real time in terms of what we talked about in prepared remarks on democratized infrastructure As an avenue that also will continue to help us both from a deployment and honestly from a fundraising standpoint as well.

Speaker 6

Awesome. Thanks, Greg.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Mike Brown with KBW. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 2

Great. Thank you.

Speaker 6

So in the quarter, concerns related to the fixed annuity surrenders really picked up in March as the liquidity stress really, rolled the market. In GA, what did you guys see in terms of the fixed Annuity surrenders in the quarter, what have you seen thus far in the second quarter? And then if you just take the other side, what are you guys seeing on the organic growth side? How's that Performance spend in the Q1 specifically towards the tail end and then into the Q2? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes, Mike. It's Rob. Thanks a lot for the question. Punchline is no surprises as it relates to surrenders. They remain in line with management's expectation on initial underwriting.

Speaker 2

So we feel good about that. That has continued into the Q2 as well into April. As it relates to the opportunity from here, clearly, the opportunity we think on the retail side of the business, Given where interest rates are and where annuity is priced annuities are priced at today remains a really robust one that our team is very focused on. We have very strong market share there. And I mentioned this earlier through the prepared remarks, but the institutional side of our business has a real healthy pipeline right now.

Speaker 2

And so a little bit lumpier in nature, but we feel good with what we're seeing there and some of the risk reward that exists in that part of the market as well.

Speaker 4

Okay, great

Speaker 6

to hear. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from the line of Brian Bedell with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 7

Great. Good afternoon, folks. Maybe just on capital deployment, how are you thinking about the pace? And I guess in the context monetization is slowing down. Clearly, the market is slow and you don't want to be monetizing in this environment.

Speaker 7

And I heard you loud and clear. You're eager, of course, to deploy in this environment with valuations being good. But to what extent Will any kind of slowdown in the markets prevent you from doing that? And how important can your own internal capital markets Business be in sort of narrowing that gap versus say using other means of Deploying capital. And then if I could just weave in just that $37,000,000,000 of committed capital that comes into fee paying AUM, just your expectations of timing

Speaker 1

Hey, Brian, it's Craig. Why don't I start and then Rob can pick up on the $37,000,000,000 number. So just a couple of observations, I guess, in terms of deployment. Look, first, over the last 18 months, We've seen a lot of dislocation and valuations have come down pretty meaningfully. And a lot of the primary markets Have either been shut, thinking of the IPO market or the syndicated debt markets, again, as an example, which aren't fully healed.

Speaker 1

Capital at the moment is precious, but all of those things from a deployment standpoint, we look at and think are very good things for us. And as Rob pointed out in our prepared remarks with our fundraising success heading into this period, we're really well positioned when you put those two things together. No, I think in this backdrop, look, we're going to be value focused. We're going to look for those opportunities where our operational resources and focus can really move the needle. We love corporate carve outs.

Speaker 1

We've been active in pursuing public to privates. I think that's an example of where you've seen probably as much activity from us as from us as anybody within the industry. And so we're going to continue to be opportunistic across that across those parts of the opportunity set. And I think finally, the other thing you're seeing because it's interesting is the balance you're seeing across the firm. Real diversification, real balance Over the trailing 12 months, traditional private equity deployment was $11,000,000,000 real estate was $10,000,000 and infrastructure again, as I mentioned a moment ago, was 14.

Speaker 1

So you're seeing a real balance in that level of investment activity. And I think it's also just worth highlighting, and it's kind of related to the first, but the growth you've seen also in terms of real asset deployment With the growth in our infrastructure and real estate platforms, you've seen a big step up in overall deployment and that is also true within the credit business. So in 2019, deployment in credit was $10,000,000,000 2020, it was $10,300,000,000 trailing 12 months, it was 17,000,000,000 And then I think as it relates to Capital Markets, you're bringing up a very fair point, Just as it relates to the strength of the team and what having 70 people can do for us as we're trying to put capital structures together and look to finance Those deployment opportunities and to date despite all of the disruption, we've not had a situation where we haven't been able to finance an opportunity that we wanted to pursue. And I think the strength of the team and the breadth that we have in terms of the global capital markets franchise is a critical part

Speaker 3

Yes, Brian, it's Scott. Just a couple of things I'd add. One, as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, I think it's going to be a great couple of vintage years we're walking into here. So if you first start with equity, which is probably the focus of your question, there's a couple of things that go on. Buyers and sellers need to find common ground.

Speaker 3

It usually takes about 12 months for that to happen as the markets adjust. We seem to be countering that. We're starting to work to the other side of that. Obviously, the bank failure has created a little bit of a pause in some discussions, but we are pretty active on a number of different fronts. So we think that will not be something that holds us up for much longer.

Speaker 3

I think the financing markets to Craig's good point, capital markets and to your question has been a secret weapon for us and has allowed us to get some deals done. We've done a couple of deals where we've spoken for 100% equity and then the private credit market shows up and put the financing in place. So, Renet is not letting the financing markets hold us back in PE or in infrastructure. In fact, it's kind of creating some opportunities where maybe it's tougher for our competition And then as I mentioned before, on the credit side, it's just more flow and more opportunity across both corporate and real estate credit force.

Speaker 2

And then Brian, just as a quick follow-up on the $37,000,000,000 of capital, no firm guidance there, but our a decent rule of thumb It'll be 3 to 4 years until that shows up in fee paying to AUM. As a reminder, that capital comes in at close to 100 basis points on a weighted average fee basis.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks for all the great color.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Michael Ciros with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question.

Speaker 2

As you guys have continued to

Speaker 6

grow out your insurance relationships, can you talk about how you have expanded your investment capabilities there, Where you see room to further scale some of those capabilities maybe in real estate credit? And maybe you could talk about some of the initiatives there? And then what

Speaker 3

Hey, Michael, it's Scott. Really good question. I would say, there's no doubt that broadening our insurance relationships both with Global Atlantic and with 3rd parties has allowed us to meaningfully scale some parts of the firm. In particular, I would say all things private credit, direct lending, Asset Based Finance that I mentioned before, maybe part of the firm that has had the biggest impact was across real estate credit. I think the year before We did the Global Atlantic transaction, our real estate credit team originated something like $2,000,000,000 loans in the 1st year after it was somewhere in like $12,000,000,000 or 13,000,000,000 So it's allowed us to meaningfully scale our presence, both from an origination standpoint, and also allow us, I think, to do an even better job For the 3rd party insurers, because now we are operating just like them through the regulatory environment that they're living with as an operator where we are or can get the top 3 in that space and we feel great across all of those fronts.

Speaker 3

It also gives us an opportunity to look more globally As we're looking at, in particular, for Global Atlantic, blocks across Asia or Europe and adding insurance clients outside the U. S, I'd say our client base is Heavier in the U. S. Today, but we are building relationships outside the U. S.

Speaker 3

As well. And that gives us an opportunity to expand just like we did in the U. S, our origination footprint across all those areas. We can do it outside the U. S.

Speaker 3

Too. And we're starting to do that now across both Europe and Asia across those asset classes. So it's been a big positive for us on a number of different fronts and it kind of vaulted us to top 3 across a number of those different businesses much faster. In terms of kind of white space, the second part of your question, more broadly, I think there are a number of different things That we could point to, the biggest impact on the firm, however, is just going to be scaling everything that we started. We see an opportunity to double and triple several of the businesses that we're in.

Speaker 3

As you know, a lot of the businesses we've started in the last handful of years, over 50% of the firm is not yet scaled in our definition. Over 50% of the money we raised Last year, as his strategy is less than 5 years old. So the biggest impact is going to be scaling what we started, but there are some other areas. I'd point to energy transition and climate as something that we could point to. I'd point to life sciences as another big area that over time could be meaningful for us

Operator

Great, thanks. And if I

Speaker 6

could just sneak in a housekeeping question for Rob just on the investment deployment of the balance sheet. Thank you.

Speaker 3

We We would have been disappointed if you didn't ask that one, Michael. You're very consistent.

Speaker 2

Thanks. Mike, we were at $500,000,000 of Deployment in the quarter and realization is about $150,000,000

Speaker 3

Great. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Anand Kedavat with BNP Paribas. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Yes, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. You've if I could follow-up on the deployment in credit, it's been detected by yourself and Most of your peers has a significant opportunity to take market share from the banks. Yet when we look at Q1 data here, the deployment Credit is quite soft. I was just wondering if you what sort of dynamics need to work out for As you see really deployment pickup here.

Speaker 8

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yes, Craig, why don't I start? Look, I think it's The Q1, as I think we'll all remember, March in particular was a really disruptive period. We've had 2 bank failures since the beginning of March, Just a tremendous amount of volatility and all of that, those dynamics are not going to be helpful From a financing market standpoint, from a deal standpoint, as Scott had mentioned a moment or 2 ago. So I wouldn't read too much into the industry honestly in terms of these trailing 90 days. A lot of bad activity in private credit does end up being financial sponsor driven in the framework of new transactions.

Speaker 1

And we think over time as you have refinancing opportunities as the market strengthens and as you have that M and A activity from mid market sponsors Pickup that you'll see deployment in turn pickup is I think the overall share is One where you're continuing to see a growth in share in private credit broadly. So again, I wouldn't look to read too much

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Benjamin Fenish with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Hi. Thanks so much for taking

Speaker 2

the question. I kind of wanted to revisit, Scott, some of your comments about fundraising. I'm just thinking about sort of the more excess Caution across the LP base, could you maybe characterize that a little bit? Is it sort of denominator effect issues or is it sort of a broad skittishness that's sort of just delaying all decision making? And then kind of in the context of the 30 funds you've got coming to market, how much of that is expected to start raising in the back half of the year?

Speaker 2

Just maybe to help us think through There's a risk that some of that gets pushed further into 2024. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Great. Thanks, Ben. Look, in terms of the LP dynamic, it really depends on What product area you're talking about? What kind of investor you're talking about? So I'd say where there has been perhaps a bit more caution on the margin has been And some of that is definitely denominator effect as they're trying to get their bearings heading into this year.

Speaker 3

And some of them are over at their alternatives allocation and trying to sort out how much of the budget do they want to spend and how quickly. But that is just that particular segment and it tends to be more equity focused as opposed to credit and real estate credit focus in terms of those dynamics. But when you kind of go broader than that, you go to sovereign wealth funds, we're not feeling that dynamic at all. Whether it's Asia or the Middle East, They seem to have a good amount of capital and are looking to put it to work across different asset classes and geographies. Insurance companies, despite the higher base rate, we continue to see a significant amount of interest in what we're doing.

Speaker 3

And you heard the comments that we're now a couple 100,000,000,000 near enough that we're managing for insurance companies. It's been quite good for their businesses in terms of especially on the life and annuity side. And so we're getting the benefit of that growth. I'd say family offices are actually a bit contrarian in this environment and are viewing this, which we agree with as a great Period to put money to work. So we're actually finding family offices leading in and you can you know what we said about private wealth, That's all new.

Speaker 3

So this is the first time some of these spaces have had access to things like private equity and infrastructure. And And I would say the footnote even on that score, I think some of them have learned from the post GSE period where maybe some invested less coming out of the financial crisis than they might have hoped. And so as opposed to turning off, we're finding maybe they're reducing the amount they're committing in this environment, but not turning it off. The bigger point I would make is that if you think more broadly across everything that we're doing, across private equity, infrastructure, real estate and credit, There is a significant amount of investor dialogue, both institutions and individuals. So I wouldn't take too much caution from the comments.

Speaker 3

Just on the margin, we are hearing this from some people. And I think the bank crisis in March probably fed that a bit, But there's also acknowledgment from a number of the people that we're talking to that they don't want to under invest or under commit, because I think there's an understanding the next couple of years are going to be a really good investment period. And your question on the 30 investment strategies, I think most of those will be in the market over the course of the next 12 months, including the back half of this year.

Speaker 1

And the only thing I'd add on to that last point, Ben, just again, I think the part of the market where we're seeing the most headlines and where You're probably seeing the most congestion is in traditional private equity. Again, as we mentioned, we've had a final close on our Europe 6 fund, 20% larger than its predecessor, great outcome. Probably worth noting that almost 25% of the LPs in that fund Our new investors, they're now new clients of KKR. So we've talked for a long time on these calls of our focus on growing the LP base and the success that we're having there. But more importantly, following on that, again, as we've mentioned, we are now we're not going to be in the market with a flagship PE fund this year and we don't expect to be back in the market till 2024 or 2025.

Speaker 1

And we feel fortunate with that timing and instead it allows us to focus on deploying that capital. So I think perhaps the traditional PE space might be the one place where you might hear people delaying or Having the greatest impact on seeing those fundraisers be elongated and we're really fortunate in that we have no activity for the back half of this year.

Speaker 3

Maybe just one other macro comment I'd make, Ben, as we as you think about this. If you step back and think about our firm, so 15 years ago, we managed about 50,000,000,000 of capital 10 years ago, less than 100, 5 years ago, less than 200, we're now in excess of 500. And what we tend to find coming out of periods of time like this, where you've got a bit of a market dislocation and the question around economic cycles, Investors tend to look back and say what performed when the markets were difficult. And what we've found is over time alternatives has tended to perform Well, and usually what happens coming out of an environment like this is they increase their allocation to alts. Our expectation is that the same thing will happen here.

Speaker 3

That will be a nice wind at our back as we kind of head into the next several years and watch The flagship funds that Craig was referencing. And then you've got on top of that the compounding benefit of private wealth. So the reason you hear the optimism in our voices is over the next Several years, we actually think we're going to look back on this period of time. I feel like this has been quite helpful and helped fuel the next leg of growth for the industry and for the firm.

Speaker 2

Great. Thanks for the extra color.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Bill Katz with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 3

Hi, good afternoon. This is Michael Kelly on for Bill. You've seen a nice uptrend in the non GA related

Speaker 2

Nothing specifically to Call out, it's a little bit of a mix issue that we're benefiting from. You'd see that uptick, but nothing specifically other than a little bit of mix of product.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Finan O'Shea with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 9

Hi, everyone. Good afternoon. Just sort of a follow-up to the last question on the higher fee rates. Is there an ability To rotate sort of the back book into more direct origination now that longer term yields have come back down? And if so, how would you size that runway or opportunity for, say, optimizing the GA book?

Speaker 9

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Fin. And yes, just to clarify for just to separate those 2, that question was related to Global Atlantic. When we first purchased Global Atlantic, we spent a lot of time working with the team to make sure that we were very thoughtful around how we rotated the book From GA sourced assets to KBR sourced assets, we weren't in a rush. We continue not to be in a rush, and that's happened methodically over time. And as a result, you've seen our blended fee rate step up in a pretty balanced way over the last couple of years.

Speaker 2

Today, our blended fee rate at GA, when you cut through All the math is roughly 30 basis points. I think there's some opportunity over time to continue to rotate the book. We'll continue to do that in the most thoughtful way We can in conjunction with the GA investment team, but I wouldn't expect any market changes from the trajectory that we've had over the last couple of years.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 4

Thank you guys for taking the follow-up. Maybe just like zooming out for a second, I was hoping to get your latest perspective on capital management in light of kind of where we are in the cycle, yourself and obviously many of your peers are going through a bit of an earnings lull, but you outlined multiple times now that the firm continues to be really well positioned. You guys have significant amount of embedded earnings power as you've outlined. So Why not lean into the share count shrinkage a little bit more here to take advantage of significantly higher earnings power down the road?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Alex. It's a good question, the right question. I'll start with just a broader framework around capital allocation. You've probably heard me say this a couple of times before.

Speaker 2

The most important thing that we can do as a management team is to have a consistent approach. Our approach is very much ROE based. And ultimately, when we're allocating capital, The question that we are always looking to answer is what is going to drive the best risk adjusted outcome on a per share basis. There's no more important question than that. And we think as a management team moving our marginal dollar of liquidity around to the highest ROE opportunity is a real core competency.

Speaker 2

Now, specifically on the question of share buyback, if you take a look at our body of work, we've had our buyback authorization now in place for several years. We've repurchased or retired 85 plus 1,000,000 shares. That's almost 10% of our shares outstanding. It's well north of 10% of our public float. The average price at which we bought back or retired that share is about $25 a share.

Speaker 2

So we really like our body of work. And on top of that, at the same time, if If you look back over the past couple of years, whether that's KKRM or Global Atlantic, we've completed Almost $5,000,000,000 of purchase price related M and A, and we haven't had to issue that many shares to be able to do that due to those transactions, but mostly cash funded. And so when you take a step back, we don't look at share buyback in sort of 1 discrete bucket. We look at capital allocation as a whole. Now I'll just say, we do expect share buybacks to be a big part of our toolkit on a go forward basis, and we're going to evaluate them the same way we have evaluate all capital allocation.

Speaker 2

But yes, as we think over the next number of quarters years, you're going to continue to see us lean into our share count when it makes sense, From a liquidity standpoint, would it make sense from opportunity relative to other opportunity sets out there and then obviously where our share price is at. So Thanks for the question. Hopefully, that's helpful color in how we as a management team value using our marginal dollars of liquidity.

Speaker 4

Yes. I appreciate it. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Alex.

Operator

Thank you. Our final question is from the line of Finan O'Shea with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 1

Fin, are you there?

Operator

Fin, please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 9

Sorry about that. I was back on mute and thank you for the follow-up as well. Can you touch on the outlook for Capital market transaction fees, I think those looked a little strong in the context of the software environment. Was a lot of this Perhaps a one off or has the development of your platform there started to show through and Maybe we can expect stable to improving levels throughout the year.

Speaker 2

Yes. We're really proud of how durable our capital markets business Largely shut for some period of time. And if you look at our average quarterly revenue over the past four quarters, it's been a little bit north of $100,000,000 per quarter. So I think it's important to think about that in context of our Capital Markets franchise 7 plus years ago is probably a $200,000,000 a year business in Good Markets. 5 plus years ago, it's probably a $400,000,000 a year in good markets type business.

Speaker 2

And today, our LTM revenue is a little bit north of that 400 And so no guidance as it relates to forward looking quarters, but we do Look at the performance that the team has been able to generate in a really tough market and feel really great about how we're positioned. And do know that when we do come out of this period of time, when markets open back up, we as management team have every expectation that we're going to be talking about a capital markets business 3, 5 years from now. That's well in excess of the size that it is today for a number of reasons. Just how we're positioned competitively, Our access to talent, we see a lot of talent potentially coming out of traditional sources of capital markets institutions We can take advantage of that. And then as KKR expands what we do, that's a real opportunity for our Capital Markets business.

Speaker 9

Thanks. That's very helpful. And one final, if I may. Any color or line of sight on

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we've reached the end of our question and answer session. I'll hand the floor back to Craig Larson for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Rob, thank you for your help and thank you everyone for your interest in KTR. We look forward to speaking again post our Q2 results. And if you have any questions in the interim, please of course follow-up with us directly. Thank you once again.

Operator

Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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