Patrick Industries Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 27, 2023

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Patrick Industries Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Steve O'Hara, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Operator

Thank you, Steve. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Good morning, everyone, and welcome

Speaker 2

to our call this morning. I am joined on the call today by Andy Nemeth, CEO Jeff Rodino, President and Matt Feiler, Interim CFO. Certain statements in today's conference call regarding Patrick Industries and its operations may be considered forward looking statements under the securities laws. There are a number of factors, many of which are beyond the company's control, which could cause the actual results and events to differ materially from those described in the forward looking statements. These factors are identified in our press releases, our Form 10 ks for the year ended 2022 and in our other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Speaker 2

We undertake no obligation to update these statements to reflect circumstances or events that occur after the date the forward looking statements are made. I would now like to turn the call over to Andy Neiman.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Steve. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us on the call today. Before we begin talking about the second quarter and first half of twenty twenty 3. I want to take this opportunity to express my sincere gratitude to our incredible team members and their unwavering commitment to excellence, especially during these dynamic Their dedication empowers us as we strive in our pursuit to consistently deliver exceptional products and provide the highest level of service to our customers. They are the foundation of our company and their hard work is one of the reasons we are increasingly optimistic about and well positioned for the future.

Speaker 3

As we reflect in the Q2 and first half of twenty twenty three, we are pleased with our performance, especially against the tough comparison to last year's record sales and earnings. This period has seen some of the most significant declines in RV production in over a decade as a result of the incredible discipline exhibited by industry OEMs as they manage field inventories in response to macroeconomic uncertainty. Our strategic diversification, inventory management and disciplined capital allocation have played out largely as we intended and helped partially offset the impact of the declines in production on our quarterly results. Our Marine business has been more resilient and helped bolster our margins, while diversifying our business model. And our teams have prudently managed our balance sheet and working capital, Generating significant free cash flow.

Speaker 3

As we prepare for the marine industry to calibrate to retail, now that inventories are believed to be replenished, We are becoming increasingly optimistic and starting to sense tailwinds building on the horizon for the RV industry as our estimates suggest dealers reduce unit inventories as weeks on hand even further in the Q2 from the Q1, which Jeff will discuss. We remain confident in our company's strategic navigation of short term uncertainty and long term growth for 3 key reasons. First, we have a business model and veteran team that have been tested and proven as we successfully responded to uncertainties and market volatility. Along with our proactive approach to strategically diversifying our business, we are well positioned both operationally and culturally to adapt and thrive when faced with dynamic macroeconomic and industry conditions. 2nd, the OEMs in the markets we serve are making disciplined decisions and thoughtfully adjusting output to meet consumer demand, which fortifies the long term health of each industry.

Speaker 3

And third, Demographic trends, including new and younger buyers entering the leisure lifestyle markets and heightened interest in the outdoors remain promising, and we believe these trends will drive higher normalized demand in our leisure lifestyle markets than what we were estimating pre pandemic. Matt will give a full overview of the quarter a little bit later, but first let's look at the Q2 of 2019, the last second quarter before the pandemic and compared to the current quarter, which shows the meaningful transformation of our company, its resilience and earnings power. In the Q2 of 2023, RV wholesale unit shipments were 26% lower than the same period in 2019. Despite the sharply lower unit volumes, total revenue in the Q2 of 2023 was 50% higher than in 2019. Gross margin was 4.40 basis points higher and operating margin was 80 basis points higher, helping drive a 64% increase in EPS versus the same period in 2019.

Speaker 3

In addition, this quarter we generated $163,000,000 of free cash flow versus $58,000,000 in We believe these data points are a testament to the fact that the strategic diversification of our business model that we've orchestrated is working. Additionally, the entrepreneurial spirit and the customer focused values that drive Patrick, our brands and our team members have not changed. We have undergone a significant transformation where the Patrick of today has a more balanced mix of business across the leisure lifestyle and housing markets. Today, we are a more dynamic company, but we remain anchored to our Better Together values with a commitment to grow the breadth and quality of the solutions we provide. Structurally, we have a deep bench of talented and energized leaders with experience and thorough product knowledge who are experts in the industries they serve.

Speaker 3

Strategically, We've established a solid foundation for success through strategic diversification, organic growth and acquisitions. Over the past few years, our investments in the marine market have proven fruitful, with these businesses now accounting for 29% of our sales. Our housing end market, which is also 29% of our sales, has a promising future as Americans' path to affordable housing continues to have a long runway. Financially, our strong balance sheet, capital structure and growing liquidity in tandem with our leadership team leave us with the confidence that we can near term challenges as we remain focused on delivering long term value for our customers, team members and shareholders. Time and time again, our team has risen to meet challenges head on, keeping us nimble and continuously positioning us to take advantage of opportunities that can drive our strategic plan forward.

Speaker 3

As we look towards the back half of the year, the rate of retail declines appears to be decelerating in both our leisure lifestyle markets based on the 1st 6 months of 2023. The RV dealer model mix and balance appears to improve, the marine mix is healthy Inventory weeks on hand in the leisure lifestyle markets and inventories in the housing markets are poised for stabilization and growth. And finally, turning to the numbers and compared to our record 2022 year, our 2nd quarter revenues decreased 38% to 921,000,000 And on a trailing 12 month basis, our consolidated revenues were approximately $3,900,000,000 Our net income in the second We continue to exercise prudent working capital inventory management, reducing inventories by $113,000,000 in the first half of twenty twenty three to $555,000,000 and by more than $184,000,000 from the Q2 of 2022. I'll now turn the call over to Jeff, We'll highlight the quarter and provide more detail on our end markets.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Andy, and good morning, everyone. Our 2nd quarter RV revenues, which represents 42% of our consolidated total, decreased 54% from 837,000,000 to $384,000,000 Our RV content per unit increased 6% on a TTM basis to 5,000 and $51 per unit compared to the same period in 2022, driven by market share gains, partially offset by pricing. RV wholesale unit shipments of 86,200 decreased by 44% or 66,000 units from the Q2 of 2022. We currently estimate 2nd quarter retail registrations of approximately 124,000 units, an estimated decline of 16% from the Q2 of 2022. The metrics we have outlined imply a net decrease of over 37,000 And 42,000 units to dealer inventory in the quarter and year to date, respectively.

Speaker 4

Our estimates indicate that TTM dealer Inventory weeks on hand at the end of the Q2 of 2023 had declined to approximately 16 weeks to 18 weeks on hand From 19 to 21 weeks on hand at the end of fiscal 2022 and in the Q1 of 2023. This is below historical pre pandemic levels of approximately 26 weeks to 30 weeks. As we outlined in our last call, demand in the RV market has continued to normalize over the past 12 months. Our touch points suggest dealers I've nearly worked through a less than optimal mix of model year 2022 units, and we continue to scale our production to ensure parity with OEM and industry needs. Our marine revenues, which represents 29 percent of our Q2 2023 consolidated sales decreased 8% to 268,000,000 On wholesale shipments that estimated to have declined 19% in the quarter.

Speaker 4

The decline in revenues was due to lower shipments, partially offset by acquisition and market share gains. In concert with our marine business, we have a strong and growing aftermarket portfolio, Approximating $200,000,000 on an annualized basis that allows us to offer solutions not only to OEMs building new units, with a significantly larger used boat market. These aftermarket solutions are typically higher margin and center around customization, upgrade, Repair and replacement and further diversify Patrick's Marine platform. As noted, we estimate marine wholesale unit Shipments were down in the quarter to approximately 42,000 to 46,000 units on retail unit shipments that were down an estimated 4% to 6% to a range of 70,000 to 75,000 units. Our estimated marine content per wholesale unit increased 15% On a TTM basis to $5,330 per unit compared to the same period in 2022.

Speaker 4

We estimate overall marine dealer inventories are at approximately 16 to 18 weeks on hand, decreasing from the 1st quarter levels of approximately 23 to 25 weeks on hand, un thoughtful caution by OEMs to ensure alignment with retail demand. Pre pandemic, average weeks on hand approximated 35 to 40 weeks based on our estimates. Revenues in our housing market decreased 23 percent to $269,000,000 and represented 29% of our consolidated sales. Our estimated MH content per unit increased 11% to $6,411 per unit on a TTM basis compared to the same period in 2022. We continue to believe that manufactured housing with its significant price point advantage Serves as a viable, cost effective alternative to site built housing amidst an affordable housing crisis compounded by an elevated rate environment.

Speaker 4

The housing side of our business is primarily tied to manufactured housing, single family and multifamily housing, with manufactured housing making up approximately 54% of the total. MH estimated wholesale unit shipments were down 30% in the quarter, while total residential Housing starts for the 2nd quarter decreased 11% with single family housing decreasing 14% and multifamily starts decreasing 6%. Although consumers continue to adjust to inflation and higher interest rates, we believe our housing businesses are primed to succeed over the long term given the structural supply and demand imbalances that remain. On the acquisition front, This quarter, we expanded our transportation capabilities with what is now Patrick Marine Transport based in Elkhart, Indiana. While this marks our entry into the marine transportation business, it aligns incredibly well with our RV transportation business And solidifies our presence as a leading provider of transportation services to leisure lifestyle market and further increases the set of solutions Patrick provides to the marine We continue to see organic and inorganic opportunities in our end markets and other adjacent markets and continue to monitor valuations in this dynamic environment.

Speaker 4

Our liquidity provides us flexibility to be selective We look forward to partnering with great management teams and flexing our M and A execution capabilities in all of our end markets. Further related to capital allocation at Patrick Industries, our team members are continually exploring cutting edge technology and processes to improve our efficiencies and the utility of the solutions we offer, while seeking new ways to innovate and expand our product offering. An example of this is our rollout of carbon fiber and continued investment in other composite materials. Recently, we leveraged our internal market with industry knowledge experts to formalize a new brand name XT Carbon, which utilizes Advanced composite methodologies and manufacturing carbon fiber components beginning with ski and wakeboard towers And TOPS for our marine end markets, providing our customers with alternative components that offer increased durability, decreased weight And simplified installation are just a few of the reasons we continue to invest in innovations like XT Carbon. This is just a small sample of the new high quality products, solutions and innovations that our teams are working on and will continue to roll out in the markets we serve.

Speaker 4

As we look to the back half of the year, we are confident in our ability to manage our business in any environment Forward through decades of building relationships and experience, we have expanded our organic growth through strategic acquisitions, creating a family of stellar brands, each bringing valuable solutions, innovations and experienced team members to the table. This strategy of working together has made Patrick more resilient than ever. Before I turn the call over to Matt, I would like to highlight several philanthropic projects They are part of the fabric of who we are as an organization and culture and that we hold very close to our hearts, especially in these dynamic times. While not an all inclusive list by any means as it relates to our philanthropy and culture, the Patrick team takes great pride in being supporting Sponsor of Military Makeover with Montel for the 3rd consecutive year and we maintain major partnerships and sponsorships with CareCamps We provide healing and support by sending children with cancer to medically supervised summer camps and Logan Community Resources, which serves and provides support for adults and children with intellectual and developmental disabilities. Our partnerships with these culturally aligned organizations demonstrates the heart and soul of our organization and our team members' spirit to engage, ensuring we are giving back to the communities.

Speaker 4

I'll now turn the call over to Matt, who will provide additional comments on our financial performance.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Jeff, and good morning, everybody. Our consolidated second quarter net sales decreased 38% or $555,000,000 to $921,000,000 As Jeff noted, RV OEMs maintained disciplined production schedules in the quarter. And in June, we began to see similar inventory management strategies from a number of our marine OEMs. Our RV and marine end market revenues declined 54% 8%, respectively, while our housing end market revenue decreased by 23%. Gross margin increased 60 basis points to 22.8% as our strategic diversification efforts helped offset the impact Of the significant decline in RV shipments and lower levels of production in our housing end market.

Speaker 1

Additionally, we benefited from recent acquisitions, Cost reduction initiatives and production and labor efficiencies as a result of our automation initiatives. Operating expenses for the Q2 declined 12% to $134,000,000 or 14.6 percent of sales, representing an increase of 4 20 basis points versus the prior year period, primarily reflecting our investments in recent acquisitions, which tend to generate higher gross margins, but also carry a higher SG and A mix. Warehouse and delivery expenses declined 8,000,000 $36,000,000 in Q2 2023, but increased 90 basis points as a percentage of sales on lower revenue. SG and A expenses declined 13%, but increased 2 40 basis points as a percentage of sales on lower revenue. On an annualized basis, we have taken out approximately $35,000,000 in total fixed costs.

Speaker 1

Some of the work our teams have done on fixed costs is obscured by the impact of acquisitions we have made, but we expect these cost reductions to be durable when our businesses flex to higher production levels in the future. Operating income decreased $98,000,000 and operating margin decreased 3 basis points to 8.2 percent, primarily driven by the factors previously described. Net income decreased 64% to $42,000,000 which equates to $1.94 per diluted share. Adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin were $114,000,000 12 point 4% respectively for the Q2 of 2023 compared to $212,000,000 14.4 percent in the Q2 of 2022. Our overall effective tax rate was 26.1% for the 2nd quarter compared to 26.8% in the prior year.

Speaker 1

We continue to estimate our overall effective tax rate for 2023 to be approximately 25% to 26%. Looking at cash flows, cash provided by operations For the 1st 6 months of 2023 was approximately $178,000,000 an increase of $104,000,000 or 140 percent compared to approximately $74,000,000 in the prior year period. Working capital monetization was a significant source of cash and more than offset the decline in net income year over year. Our team remains focused on working capital management and we're successful in driving our inventory down 25% We're $184,000,000 year over year to $555,000,000 and down $113,000,000 or 17 percent from year end 2022. This quarter, we invested $16,000,000 in property, plant and equipment.

Speaker 1

As Jeff noted, our continued investments in automation, Technology and software initiatives are meant to improve operational efficiency and enable our team members to deliver exceptional value to our customers. We continue to expect to spend $65,000,000 to $70,000,000 on capital expenditures in 2023. During the quarter, we generated operating cash flow of $179,000,000 implying free cash flow in the quarter of $163,000,000 For the trailing 12 month period, we generated $444,000,000 of free cash flow. In Q2, we paid down our revolving credit by $115,000,000 At the end of the second quarter and after paying a total of $117,000,000 on our debt, we had approximately $573,000,000 Total net leverage was 2.6 times. Our strong liquidity profile and long term capital structure to support our business growth and stability.

Speaker 1

With no major debt maturities until 2027, we are poised and ready to navigate the current macroeconomic We repurchased approximately 125,200 shares for a total of $8,000,000 in the quarter and return $10,000,000 to shareholders in the form of quarterly dividends. Moving to our end market outlook, we continue to be in a period of macroeconomic uncertainty, which will likely continue to impact shipments and consumer demand. However, we remain optimistic regarding the long term future and we see many opportunities to profitably grow our business. RV wholesale shipments and retail registrations are down through And dealers are removing inventory from their lots, both positive signs. Based on recent trends, we currently estimate full year RV retail will be down approximately 20% to 24%, implying approximately 335,000 to 360,000 units.

Speaker 1

Assuming consistent dealer weeks on hand levels as current, as Jeff discussed, we continue to estimate full year 2023 RV wholesale unit shipments of 310,000 to 325,000 units, implying a decline of approximately 35% to 38% from 2022. In our marine market, we estimate 2023 wholesale and retail shipments to be down 15% to 20%. Pre pandemic production seasonality was generally spread between approximately 55% of units produced in the first half of the year and 45% of units produced in the back half of the year. We currently expect a slightly more dramatic decline in 2023's cadence 60%, 40%, first half twenty twenty three versus second half twenty twenty three. As marine OEMs have reacted quickly and With retail, I believe inventory has largely reached equilibrium for many categories.

Speaker 1

On the housing side of the business, we expect MH wholesale shipments to be down approximately 20% to 25% for 2023, with retail sales absorbing available wholesale production on a real time basis. In our residential housing end market, we expect 2023 new housing starts will be down approximately 10% to 15%. To wrap up, we fine tuned our outlook based on the most recent trends in our end markets and continue to estimate our operating margin will be between 7.5% 8.5 We expect to generate operating cash flow at or in excess of $400,000,000 this year as working capital aligns with revenues, implying a free cash flow of $330,000,000 or more based on our CapEx estimates. That completes my remarks. We are now ready for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. One moment please while we poll for questions. Thank you. Our first question is from Scott Stember with ROTH MKF.

Operator

Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Good morning, guys. Congrats on the better than expected results and thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 4

Good morning. Good morning. Good morning.

Speaker 5

Can you maybe talk about what you're seeing, What the net result is as of right now with the dealers regarding 22 product, I think last quarter you might have given an update like a percentage Of what you thought the average dealer's inventory, new inventory was accounted for by 22s?

Speaker 4

Yes, Scott. Good. Hi. Hi, Scott. This is Jeff.

Speaker 4

Yes, last time we were thinking that was in about the 30% range, but we felt like it was kind of moving down pretty quickly. And I think they really did We're focused on the 22 units in the second quarter where we saw some of that retail action. So we feel pretty good. Our touch points are saying They've gotten them down into a manageable range and really are looking forward to the 24 units now And where they're at with the 22% seems to be in good shape.

Speaker 5

Okay. The percentage Bet you think it probably is, are we talking to be 15%, 20% or lower?

Speaker 6

Scott, this is Andy. That's where

Speaker 3

we think things are at. And we also think that pricing at the dealer level matched up with a lot of partnership there to make sure that they've moved out the 22 units. So we think there's equilibrium in pricing and we also think that '22 mix has come down to that, you can call it an average 15% range or 10% to 15%.

Speaker 5

Got it. Okay. And if you were to look at, I guess, I know that July had the July 4th week shutdown and we know that Dealers and everybody was making sure, I guess, the race that are finished before the 24s come out. Can you maybe talk about where you expect production, what you're hearing from the OEMs for July, August and September heading into open house?

Speaker 4

Yes, Scott. This is Jeff. Coming out of the 4th July shutdown, we see some pretty consistent production levels from where we left in June. I I think we're going to still see some shutdown weeks between now and the show to try to continue to manage the inventory levels of the dealers Going into that show with the hopes that puts them in a little bit more of a buying position come the show. Certainly, We see that the 24s are coming off the assembly lines now and going to dealers.

Speaker 4

So there is going to be some activity of getting those 24s out there for The dealers to see and for the end consumers to see. So we feel like it's been pretty consistent with what we've seen so far this year. May have The down weeks like we've seen throughout the year between now and the show and leading into the show really just to Continue to manage that inventory at the dealer level.

Speaker 3

Scott, I want to add a little bit to that. As we look at the decelerating retail declines, I think As we mentioned, dealer weeks on hand, they're very lean right now. Our touch points across our sectors, Whether it be with our individual transport yards or whether it be with lenders in the space indicate that not only is there capacity on floor plan lines, but that We've seen in the inventory in the field as it relates to our transport yards are down from kind of historical averages and even kind of normal run rates. And so we feel like the channel is very, very clean right now. And so as we go through the next quarter in anticipation of the show in September, We think that production will be scaled as it is and has been and there's been tremendous discipline, but we're encouraged and As it relates to really the cleanliness of the inventories and the weeks on hand that are sitting there today and we think it's well positioned.

Speaker 3

So Right now, production levels are very, very disciplined. But again, the inventories are lean and clean is what we would say.

Speaker 5

Got it. And then lastly, could you give the usual flushing out of the components of the sales decline, the 38% sales decline in the quarter?

Speaker 1

Sure, Scott. This is Matt. So of that 38% decline, we're seeing about 34% of that driven by industry And that's obviously led by the RV decline as we noted. Acquisitions are actually up 1% And from an organic growth standpoint, we're down a net 5%. That includes 7% down on pricing, But 2% up on organic

Speaker 5

growth. Got it. This is perfect. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Noah Zapskin with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. Just real quickly hoping you could provide some color on what you're kind of hearing or seeing in terms of Retail demand on the marine side, July to date. And then second, maybe just drilling out a bit, You continue to post kind of high strong CPUs across end markets. So just maybe some color around The drivers behind your ability to kind of continue to show strength there? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Sure. This is Andy. I think as we think about Retail at the marine level right now, what we're seeing is we do see that marine is feeling a little bit of the impact As inventories have calibrated, I'd tell you that we're again encouraged by the rate of deceleration of retail Declining on the marine side in particular and again encouraged by what we see as it relates to the inventories in the field. And so the marine OEMs have reacted extremely quickly To kind of what I think was anticipated once the inventories were rebuilt. And so we feel like, again, the inventories are lean as we position into that.

Speaker 3

As it relates to our content per unit across our various market sectors, I think our teams have done a great job and really working hard to manage our inventories, work with our customers. We've given back pricing where we've needed to and with customers in When we think about a 2% net organic gain in the quarter, net of pricing, again, it's in line with our expectations and where we feel like we want to be. So again, we're not losing business. Content declines are really specifically related to pricing and the team is doing a great job of managing our efforts with a lot of different solutions and options that are out there today for our customers.

Speaker 6

Thanks. And maybe just one more. I know you touched on this a bit, but in terms of Kind of the M and A opportunity set that you guys are seeing out there right now, maybe just comment on kind of Where valuations are, maybe where your appetite might be from an end market perspective, just any detail there would be helpful. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Sure. This is Andy again. I think as it relates to M and A, it's part of our, let's just call it, DNA in that we are constantly cultivating an acquisition Pipeline, whether it's organic or deals that are being brought to us. And right now, what I would say is that we've certainly got opportunities in the pipeline. We don't buy broken businesses though.

Speaker 3

And so as we look at the opportunities that are there, valuation expectations really haven't changed too much. I You said with the volatility and kind of the lack of certainty just today to find a normalized run rate, the Valuation expectations with the multiples aren't necessarily matching up today. But as Matt noted, with our liquidity position, the strength of our balance sheet And the strength of our cash flows, we're well positioned to execute and continuing to cultivate a pipeline.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Craig Kennison with Baird. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to start with marine. Do you see a need at all for the marine industry to destock in the same way that the RV The industry went through a destocking cycle or are we in a situation where 1 to 1 going forward Would be sufficient, even that would lead to a decline in shipments. But I'm curious what you're seeing with respect to marine inventory and the need to destock?

Speaker 3

Sure, Craig. This is Andy. I think as we look at the data, and we spend a lot of time with data and metrics on retail and wholesale and weeks on hand as Talk about on our call, we feel like the inventories are lined up right now on a one for one as we look at marine. I think the manufacturers Have prudently and thoughtfully paused very, very quickly to make sure that that one to one alignment stays the same. And So if we just look at kind of weeks on hand, as Jeff mentioned, it's 16 to 18 weeks on the Marine side in total, in general, Across that space being and I would tell you again that's down from Q1 and certainly down from where historical levels have been.

Speaker 3

The data certainly as we look at it points towards Balance in the space and we're at that one to 1. So destock, as we kind of look at the seasonality of the business, we could see a little bit That I think as we go forward, but our hope would be as we look at things right now and say that the inventories are in line and in balance on a one for 1. So I think the manufacturers are very, very disciplined in that space as well. And again, we've seen them react very, very quickly.

Speaker 8

Thanks. And do you have a perspective, Andy, on marine affordability? It just feels like from our checks that dealers in the marine space Are really concerned about the higher price of boats and feel like that has done a lot of damage to Volume and demand in that way. Is there an outlook where inflation comes down or where your input Costs maybe start to fade a little bit such that affordability ultimately improves for consumers?

Speaker 3

Sure, Craig. I certainly can't speak for the manufacturers and the dealers, but the one thing that I can say is that In the marine space, there's tremendous focus on innovation and engineering and technology. And as we look at that in that space. We just look at that continuing to be forward leaning in the way that the marine industry thinks about bringing those innovations And so I don't know what their overall strategic plans say, but what I would tell you is that we view that Push towards technology innovation, maintaining a level of pricing at the marine level, it probably does constrain Overall, unit sales on an aggregate basis, but I think I would also say that on a normalized run rate basis, I think the marine industry continues to look at kind of capacities and where they're at today and really focus on that innovation and those technology leading efforts. And so our view, I can't talk to pricing like I said as it relates to where their heads are at, but as we look at it, we think the innovation push that the marine industry continues to use It's focused around kind of that normalized run rate that they've kind of historically seen over the last several years.

Speaker 3

So Again, I think that again it's industry forward and forward leaning on innovation.

Speaker 8

Great. Thank you, Andy.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Mike Swartz with Truist Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 9

Hey, guys. Good morning. I just wanted to touch on, I think maybe Jeff, you were talking about some of the structural or fixed cost Reductions that you've made this year, I think you quantified those. It was about $35,000,000 Maybe a couple of questions here. I guess one, where are those costs Predominantly being taken out of the system.

Speaker 9

And then 2, if it's 35 annualized, how much of that have you, I guess, gotten year to date, how much do you expect of that 35 to kind of flow into 2024, I. E. Incremental versus 2023?

Speaker 3

Mike, this is Andy. I'll take that one. When we look at the $35,000,000 in annualized fixed costs, Our team has been really aggressive in moving and I would say that there's probably a third of that in the first half as we kind of look at where things are at. Our RV group has done a fabulous job of managing that side of the business. Our marine teams are certainly working as they've been making sure that we're taking care of the customer.

Speaker 3

And so we do expect some to come in the back end. And it's really split above the line and below the line, almost equally as it relates to the As it relates to the fixed cost reductions and certainly fixed costs that are sustainable on a go forward basis. In total, as we look at it, As we look at the business, net of materials and labor, so our direct labor, we will on a variable cost basis. In totality, we're estimating about $100,000,000 of total cost taken out amongst the categories across the spectrum net of materials and labor. So the team has done a fabulous job, really reflecting the flexibility and nimbleness of our variable cost model.

Speaker 9

And just to clarify, that $35,000,000 is out of the system even when volume comes back in RV? Correct. Okay. That's helpful. And then as we think about the RV content, it sounds like a lot of what we've seen just in deflation there Quarter over quarter is pricing and some of the give back that you've talked about in prior calls, and I think it was down 7% is what I think I heard you say.

Speaker 9

I guess, how do we see that playing out through the balance of the year? Was it down 7% in the 2nd quarter The peak number and then it kind of starts to smooth out in the back half of the year or are there more kind of high single digit declines to come going forward?

Speaker 4

Yes, this is Jeff. So the way we look at it is, we're looking at the second quarter Being down a little bit is really driven by pricing. And primarily, we see that pricing Starting now and kind of spread out through the rest of the year. So we'll see some additional decline based on pricing, but feel like the commodities Have come down and they've stabilized. We work with our customers very closely to pass those commodity decreases along as They get through our inventory kind of in a real time basis.

Speaker 4

So we've got some pretty good visibility on where we think that will take us throughout the year And feel good about where we're at with the pricing that we've been able to pass along and what that how that will affect our We do believe that we still have opportunities for market share gains and growth on the organic side, which will give us the ability to offset

Speaker 9

Okay. And then just one final question, if I can. Just on the acquisition, the Transport acquisition that You made during the quarter, I think it was BTI. I don't remember you calling it out, but any way to size that business from a revenue or any other Kind of metric standpoint?

Speaker 3

Sure, Mike. This is Andy. We've rebranded it as Patrick Marine Transport. As you know, we've got some expertise in the transport industry, certainly on the RV side, and this was a very cohesive opportunity for us to take advantage of. It's about a $20,000,000 business today with a lot of opportunity for upside.

Speaker 9

Okay, awesome. Thank you so much, Andy.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Daniel Moore with BJS Securities, please proceed with your question.

Speaker 7

Good morning. Matt, Jeff, Andy, thank you very much For taking the questions and all the color. Putting together what you described in terms of production levels, how should we think about Revenue by segment and overall for Q3 relative to what we just reported and saw in Q2?

Speaker 3

So in total, as we're looking, Dan, this is Andy, I think as we're looking at the back half of the year And certainly by segment. We think that shipment levels going across the space are going to be pretty consistent On the RV side of the business, we think Marine is going to be down a little bit in the second half. As we mentioned, we were kind of sixty-forty percent, 40% first half to back half in Marine. So a little bit Stronger decline on the overall production side in marine. That being said, like I said, the inventories are at a very low level out So I think as we see the deceleration in the retail declines, I think there could be some potential for some uptick in that.

Speaker 3

But overall, as we're looking across our markets, pretty consistent with Q2, as we look at just in general revenues on a Q3 basis and then we'll see what happens after the Q3 as we see the RV shows and into the Q4.

Speaker 7

Very helpful. And on the margin side, gross margin is holding up extremely well despite the decline in shipments, especially on the RV side. In terms of your guide, unchanged for operating margin, are you weakening toward the kind of higher end or lower end of the range And how do we think about the cadence between Q3 and Q4?

Speaker 3

Sure, Dan. It's Andy again. I think as we look at Seasonality is from our perspective has really kind of come back into the business. And so Q2 and Q3 are our strongest margin opportunities, especially in light of the cost that we've taken out of the business and also in alignment with some of the efficiencies that we've gained. From a pricing and margin perspective, as we note, our acquisitions have certainly done a great job of Bolstering our gross margin profile, we've got a higher OpEx on a lot of those, but a better op margin as well that's accretive to Patrick overall.

Speaker 3

And so again, Q2, Q3 are the strongest, and we would expect Q2 to kind of come back in from a seasonality perspective. But really kind of as we look at the model overall seasonality wise And from a margin perspective, we see that Q2 and Q3 remain kind of those strong periods for us, especially in light of what we've taken out. So as it relates to our guidance, Again, we're 7.5% to 8.5% today. They've done a great job. Teams have done a fabulous job of managing our business.

Speaker 3

And so I really don't want to get into high or low end of Again, we still feel like that's a relevant range for us to be able to be very successful in.

Speaker 7

Perfect. Last for me and I'll jump out. If I look back the last few years, operating margins peaked to just over 10% fiscal 2022. Given the diversification And some of the cost reduction initiatives described on the call today, as demand normalizes over the next few years, Gina, what do you think is a reasonable longer term target? In other words, is there upside to that prior peak level given some of the changes in the business?

Speaker 7

Thanks.

Speaker 3

Sure, Dan. This is Andy. I think again it's a highly leverageable model. We continue and our teams continue to do the right things as it relates to cost takeouts, Managing inventory levels, managing our pricing to make sure and working in partnership with our customers to make sure that We're being good stewards and good partners with them. And so we certainly think there's upside to those numbers as we continue to leverage and volumes get back to normalized levels.

Speaker 7

Appreciate all the color. Thanks. Good luck in Q3. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Griffin Bryant with D. A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Yes, thanks. So a lot of stuff covered here today. So I'll just do one question here. Regarding the new model year 24s that are hitting the market, Can you just kind of talk about the comparable unit pricing you're seeing versus model year 23s? I mean, I know pricing is kind of on everyone's mind given the environment.

Speaker 6

So Any color there would be great.

Speaker 3

Sure. This is Andy. I think I'll touch on that and We hit it just a little bit, but right now at least from what we're hearing and we certainly can't speak for the dealers and the manufacturers, but All of our touch points indicate that pricing is, let's just equalize, let's say, at a cross model. So appropriate levels of discounting on the 22s to match up with 23s and match and as well match up with 24s. So we believe there is

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from Raf Gajerse with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 10

Hi. Good morning, Tareq. Thanks for taking my question there. I thought that the comparison to 2019 was Really helpful and kind of show some of the stickiness of the market share. So thanks for breaking that up.

Speaker 10

I wanted to follow-up on that pricing question, not on the retail side, but just what are you expecting for your pricing in the second half of the year? And then maybe how does that compare to what's happening in terms of labor costs and raw materials?

Speaker 3

Sure, Rafe. I think as we look at pricing just in general, as Jeff noted, materials have pretty much stabilized Across the commodity space and so again we're continuing to work with customers and making sure that we're managing that And making sure that we're giving back pricing as we get it as well. And so we're not expecting a lot of significant pricing erosion going forward, but we certainly are going to partner with our customers in light of any commodity changes that we see. On a TTM basis, we do expect, as Jeff noted as well, Our overall content per unit, especially in the RV space to come down on a TTM basis just because of the pricing that we've given. But as he noted as well, we do expect some organic content gains.

Speaker 3

And then as it relates to labor and just general costs, Labor costs have stabilized as well, and so that is being managed really effectively today. We're not seeing a lot of labor inflation across the space. And so we're not expecting a lot of volatility as it relates to those 2.

Speaker 10

Okay, great. Thanks. And then just obviously the marine and Housing mix has continued to rise and some of that has to do probably with the RV destock that's going on right now. But how should we think about the mix Longer term, is there a specific target or strategy that you have out there in terms of how you expect that to evolve?

Speaker 3

Sure, Rick. This is Andy again. I think as we look at kind of the longer term, we're certainly encouraged by the diversification that we've been able to Execute upon. We certainly see opportunity in the marine space and we certainly see opportunity even in the housing space as well, to continue to That model and then I would tell you honestly as well as RVs, we see some opportunity. So the mix, we like the diversification and the way that it's played out.

Speaker 3

I think this is a great result from our perspective as it relates to the current mix. And when we think about the leverage ability of The cost model, especially as RV comes back, we're very excited about the potential that's there. So we look to continue to stay

Speaker 10

And then last one for me. You gave the outlook on retail and wholesale, but by end market, which again is really helpful. It seems like the channel inventories have fallen below where they were in 2019. Is your expectation that as we go into next year, we start to see like a rebuild of those channel inventories? Or are there reasons to cut sort of believe that like going forward, the dealers are just going to operate with lower than historical levels of inventory?

Speaker 3

Sure. I think that's a really good question and that's something that everybody is kind of looking to get their arms around. I think the dealers certainly have learned to operate with lower levels of inventory. But as well, we've seen retail on the decline across the sectors for quite some time now. So once things start to bounce and rebuild, it certainly looks like as we look at kind of weeks on hand at the inventory level, it would look like there is definite opportunity for a build there.

Speaker 3

When you look at kind of the cost of capital and where everybody sits today, certainly with the interest rate environment, I think everybody is staying disciplined to managing inventory levels. And so From our perspective, I think there's upside potential to a little bit of inventory build would be where kind of our heads are at. But certainly, we've seen a lot of discipline in the Jason, we're encouraged by the fact that the weeks on hand are at the levels that they're at across the space today. So if anything, I think it's we feel like it's 1 to 1 and stabilized with some opportunity for some rebuild depending on what happens with rates and the overall economic environment.

Speaker 10

Okay. Very clear. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to hand the floor back over to Andy Nemeth for any closing comments.

Speaker 1

Thank you. I want to again wrap up the

Speaker 3

call today by thanking all of our team members. Your hard work and dedication has been instrumental to our success. We will continue to support our valued customers as a leading supplier to the leisure lifestyle and housing markets, while growing in our mission to be a reliable partner, supporting OEMs and addressing retail demand and driving mutual success in an ever evolving marketplace. As we look ahead, I remain optimistic about the future. Our business model has a proven track record of success, OEMs remain disciplined and many demographic trends point towards sustained long term growth.

Speaker 3

With a strong foundation, a talented team and the right strategies in place, We are confident in our ability to navigate short term challenges and deliver value to our shareholders over the long term. We thank everyone who has joined us on the call today.

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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