NYSE:CRC California Resources Q2 2023 Earnings Report $46.50 +0.45 (+0.97%) Closing price 06/20/2025 03:59 PM EasternExtended Trading$46.60 +0.11 (+0.23%) As of 06/20/2025 06:40 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast California Resources EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.53Consensus EPS $0.86Beat/MissMissed by -$0.33One Year Ago EPS$1.13California Resources Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$591.00 millionExpected Revenue$535.59 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$55.41 millionYoY Revenue Growth-20.90%California Resources Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date7/31/2023TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, August 1, 2023Conference Call Time1:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsCalifornia Resources' Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, August 5, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, August 6, 2025 at 1:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by California Resources Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 1, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways Free cash flow strength: CRC generated $69 M of free cash flow in Q2 and returned 122% of that to shareholders via $64 M of share repurchases and $20 M in dividends, bringing YTD FCF to $332 M. Flat production amid permitting delays: Gross production held steady at ~86 k BOE/d in Q2 thanks to low-decline assets and workover activity, although new drilling permits in Kern County remain delayed. Early mover in CCS: Carbon Teravolt has executed five CO₂ management agreements for 815 k t/y (16% of the 5 M t/y 2027 target) and submitted a Class VI permit for 17 M t storage capacity, underscoring leadership in California carbon storage. Cost transformation: CRC is targeting over $50 M of annualized run-rate savings by end of 2024 through operational optimizations in well services, chemical programs, warehousing, and contractor usage. Robust balance sheet: The company finished Q2 with $927 M of liquidity (including $448 M cash), net leverage of 0.2x, and fixed-charge coverage over 17x, providing financial flexibility amid commodity volatility. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallCalifornia Resources Q2 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Joanna Park, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:11Welcome to the California Resources Corporation's Q2 2023 conference call. Participating on today's call are Francisco Leon, President and Chief Executive Officer Nelly Molina, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer as well as CRC's entire executive team. I'd like to highlight that we have provided slides in the Investor Relations section of our website, crc.com. These slides provide additional information on our operations and our second quarter results. We have also provided information reconciling non GAAP financial measures discussed to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures on our website as well as in our earnings press release. Speaker 100:00:52Today, we are making some forward looking statements based on current expectations. Actual results could differ due to factors described in our earnings release and in our periodic SEC filings. As a reminder, we have allotted additional time for Q and A at the end of our prepared remarks, and we ask that participants limit their questions to a primary And one follow-up. With that, I will now turn the call over to Francisco. Speaker 200:01:18Thank you, Joanna. At CRC, our strengths are clear, cash flow, Carvan in California. First, our cash flow strength comes from our high quality, low decline assets. These assets provide a large production base with predictable cash flows from our long lived reserves. Further, we produce some of the lowest carbon intensity oil and in the U. Speaker 200:01:39S, which we sell into markets that have access to premium pricing and advantage realizations as compared to the rest of the U. S. Our second strength is our carbon storage platform, Carbon Teravolt, which benefits from an early mover advantage for CCS. CRC's large mineral and surface acreage position, plus the quality of our geological reservoirs, Our extensive surface knowledge and joint venture with Brookfield continue to provide us with a competitive advantage. Carbon Terrible meets the nation in permit applications submitted to the EPA. Speaker 200:02:16Additionally, our CCS storage potential continues to attract significant interest from current and future emitters. To date, we have executed 5 Carbon Dioxide Management Agreements or CDMAs for a combined injection rate of 815,000 metric tons per year, which represents reservations of 16% of our pore space And good progress towards our target of 5,000,000 tons per year of injection by year end 2027. Our third strength is California. California's energy industry offers attractive market with high barriers to entry. The state is the 5th largest economy in the world with energy needs that far surpass local production. Speaker 200:03:00At CRC, we proudly operate under the highest environmental standards in the world and our long track record of safe operation demonstrates our ability to navigate California's regulatory landscape. California also has ambitious de carbonization goals and the right incentives to drive emission reductions throughout the state. CRC is well positioned to help advance the state's energy transition and be a solutions provider to the state. From an operational perspective, we continue to make great progress on our business transformation efforts And are now targeting $50,000,000 or more in annualized run rate savings. The goal of our transformation is to recalibrate our approach To reflect our current and future needs and improve our cost structure. Speaker 200:03:51Therefore, we're evaluating all aspects of the business looking for operational optimizations, organizational improvements and new technologies to drive cost out of the system. Initial actions have focused on our key business processes around well services, chemical programs and our warehousing model. We also see opportunities for improvement in how we utilize our contractors and rental equipments in the field locations. By aligning our practices and our operations to the current business environment and our long term strategy, we can execute on our strategy to cash flows and further enhance shareholder returns. Note that savings from these initiatives are not included in the 23 guidance we provided today, but are targeted to be in place before year end and reflected in 'twenty four results. Speaker 200:04:44In the Q2 of 'twenty three, we produced 86,000 BOE per day operating 1 rig in Long Beach and 35 Workover Rigs. A combination of strong demand and favorable pricing underpinned $69,000,000 of free cash flow generated in the quarter and brings our year to date total free cash flow to $332,000,000 During the quarter, we repurchased $64,000,000 of our common shares and paid $20,000,000 to our shareholders in dividends. This represents 122 percent of our free cash flow return to shareholders in the 2nd quarter. Since May 21, CRC has returned nearly $700,000,000 to our shareholders or nearly 20% of our current market cap. Our reservoirs continue to perform in line with expectations. Speaker 200:05:33Our stable performance is best observed from our gross production results, which excludes variations from our production sharing contracts in Long Beach and NGL storage levels. Our flat quarter over quarter gross production demonstrates the productivity of our stacked pay and efficacy of our downhole maintenance program. As a reminder, we continue to see delays in new drill permit approvals. We'll continue to receive permits from CalGen for workovers, Despite a lack of new drilling permits, we remain on track to deliver 5 Our 2023 development plan is focused on permits in hand And our high return recompletion and workover activity highlights CRC's ability to manage reservoirs and maintain capital efficiency even at lower activity levels. On a net production basis, oil came at the midpoint of our guidance range, while total production ended up on the lower end due to storing of NGLs. Speaker 200:06:36We typically store NGL volumes produced during the Q2 to sell in higher demand periods, maximizing our cash flows. On the power side, our 5 50 Megawatt power plant provides us with the ability to manage field level power cost at Elk Hills and surrounding fields, As well as to optimize between taking incremental volumes of natural gas to market or converting the sea natural gas to power for delivery into the Kaiso Wholesale Powermark. Our natural gas and marketing activities once again had a very strong quarter. As CityGate gas Prices held up much better than field level prices. Our natural gas and marketing activities once again had a very strong quarter. Speaker 200:07:17The team was able to double quarterly margin results versus guidance expectations by taking advantage of the transportation and delivery resources we maintain. Looking ahead, our natural gas marketing margin should moderate in the second half of twenty twenty three as California's natural gas inventories return to more seasonal levels And the abundance of hydro generation capacity competes with natural gas fire generation this summer and fall. Moving to carbon management, during the quarter, we executed our 5th CDMA with Verde Clean Fuels for our renewable gasoline project. This project further confirms our economic type curve of $50,000,000 to $75,000,000 of EBITDA per metric ton for storage only project. We also expanded our capacity reserve for Lone Cypress for the previously announced blue hydrogen project. Speaker 200:08:07Anticipated CO2 injection has Now more than double from 100,000 to 205,000 metric tons per year for the project. These facilities in addition to our agreement signed with InvenTeq Earlier this year, our plan to be located at our net zero industrial park at Elk Hills, which provides a unique benefit of offering surface acres for build out midstream and co location with permanent CO2 storage. Post quarter end, we submitted another Class 6 permit application for CPV-five, continuing our pole position for storage permit submissions in the queue with the The permit application has a capacity of 17,000,000 metric tons of CO2 storage, bringing CTV's We continue to target a draft Class The recent EPA draft permit approval for a project in Indiana is encouraging for the CCS See positive traction from our conversations with potential emission sources as well as various other stakeholders. Lastly, we continue to evaluate the separation of our Carbon Management Business. Carbon Terrible continues to make strong progress each quarter. Speaker 200:09:32However, we're still in the early stages. We continue to look for certain important milestones such as permit approval, project FID and line of sight to first CO2 injection and cash flows before considering a potential [SPEAKER GUSTAVO WERNECK DA CUNHA:] And now I'll pass it over to Neli to provide an update on CRC's financial position and outlook. Speaker 300:09:53Thank you, Francisco, and welcome again, everyone. Our balance sheet remains in solid condition. During the quarter, we expanded our net RBL commitments by $25,000,000 bringing our total commitments to $627,000,000 We ended the quarter with $927,000,000 of liquidity, which includes $448,000,000 in cash. Our net leverage position reflects a very modest 0.2 times of leverage, while our fixed charge coverage exceeds 17 times. Given the cyclical nature of the commodity prices, keeping our financial strength is a key pillar of our strategy. Speaker 300:10:36Looking forward, we are maintaining our full year production guidance. As Francisco mentioned before, Our reservoirs are performing in line with our expectations, which are informed by decades of operating history. We anticipate modest declines in the second half of the year, in line with our previously disclosed range of 5 To 7% annual decline. Regarding our capital program, we take a dynamic approach in response to commodity price volatility and focus our activity on maintaining oil production and maximizing our free cash flow. We reaffirm our 2023 capital program to range between $200,000,000 $245,000,000 Under current conditions, with a heavier weighting in the second half of the year due to timing of projects and higher expected work cover activity. Speaker 300:11:33Oil and natural gas developments will continue to be focused mainly on executing projects using existing permits. While commodity prices remained at healthy levels, the forward street softened during the Q2. Our updated guidance reflects our strong natural gas marketing activities to date as well as our outlook for commodity price differentials. The NGL market reflects seasonal quarterly pricing trends and the global oversupply market environment. On the natural gas side, our guidance reflects the unprecedented price spikes registered in the Q1 on the full year average, but also the return to normalized levels in the second half of twenty twenty three. Speaker 300:12:20As a result, we are lowering the top end of the range of our 2023 operating cost guidance by 15,000,000 due to lower energy related operating expenses expected in the second half of the year. Additionally, we are narrowing the range of our Free cash flow guidance for the year to $380,000,000 to $460,000,000 Let me remind you Our 2023 guidance is based on an estimated Brent price of $77.54 per barrel and $2.87 per Mcf NYMEX price. Our key financial priorities in the second half of the year Or the execution of our business transformation initiative to reduce our expected 2024 cost run rate in $50,000,000 or more. And being responsible stewardship of the best uses of our balance. With that, I will turn it back to Francisco. Speaker 200:13:21Thank you, Nelly. CRC's unique value proposition is founded on our disciplined capital allocation, Solid balance sheet and free cash flow generation capability. CRC's continued progress at Carbon Terrible That provides shareholders a way to participate in CCS in California as a path toward a decarbonized future. To summarize, CRC's strengths are cash flow, carbon and California. Thank you for joining us on the call today. Speaker 200:13:50We'll now open the line for questions. Operator? Operator00:14:18Please limit yourself to one primary and a follow-up. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question comes from Scott Hanold with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:14:37Hey, thanks. For my first question, I was wondering if you all can provide an update on the Class 6 permit process with respect to the Indiana permit that you had indicated. So if you could compare and Like any kind of differences or the timeframe that they had to go through in Indiana to get theirs and versus what you all are doing there. So If you can just kind of compare and contrast and if there are any differences between those, just trying to get a sense of your confidence in that year end target for receiving the draft permit. Speaker 200:15:14Hey, Scott. How's it going? So, yes, we're still targeting the draft permit for CTV before year end 2023. Big catalyst for CTV, big catalyst for California in general. We're engaging with the EPA regularly and hope we're the first in California. Speaker 200:15:34We are dealing with a different part of the EPA. We're Dealing with Region 9. So we talked to both Region 9 and headquarters, but we don't have a lot of visibility To the permit in Indiana. Best we can tell is that they filed before we did. So a little bit longer timeline for them, But hard to say really from where we stand as to how good the permit application was and ultimately the steps that they took to get there. Speaker 200:16:06So I won't comment on that permit. Just feel like we made a lot of good progress on the technical discussions with the EPA And still feel very much in target to get the draft permit this year. Speaker 400:16:18Got it. And when you refer to the technical progress, you're just talking about like just Suitability of the reservoir and everything like that, is that fair? Speaker 200:16:27That's fair. I mean, there's financial assurances, there's community There's a number of things that the EPA is going through as they make decision on permits, and I feel that Chris Gould and the team have done an exceptional job getting us prepared. But ultimately, we were waiting for that Final sign off that we have the draft permit and I think the not only CRC, but the rest of the CCS space is eagerly waiting Speaker 400:17:00Okay. And for my next question, I'm going to sort of keep on the same kind of line of questioning, but The community support aspect, obviously, I think is going to be a big Kind of lifting effort too, especially being in California, but can you give a sense of like what you as CRC are doing specifically to get the community support and help get that through because I do think there's that comment period after you receive the draft, correct? Speaker 200:17:35Yes, that's correct. After the draft permit gets granted, there's a period of time for public comments and then a final permit gets granted after those We're working our team is working diligently in parallel to get the public comment Discussion underway and getting the support from the communities. You know, as their first project, it's critical that the first project is successful for all the stakeholders. And we're in Kern County. We're also at Elk Hills at a field that we own 100% fee simple, Remote from any neighborhood, any areas of concern from the public, this is the right place to have our first project in California. Speaker 200:18:19So And we're the right counterparty to be leading it. We see as we spend time with community leaders and we do community plans, we feel there's a support that's there. And so again, to us, it's not a sequential process. We very much got started already and feel the support is going to be there. We're also working with Kern County and the Kern County Planning Commission to look at the permits that are required at a local level, So that we're good to go once the EPA gives us a sign off. Speaker 200:18:51So a lot of things in motion, but we are progressing in every respect And look forward to getting started. Speaker 400:18:59Appreciate it. Thank you. Operator00:19:04The next question comes from Kalei Akamai with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:19:10Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. And my first question, I just want to hit on production. So coming into this year, I think we're expecting to see high single digit declines By year end because of the constraints that you're seeing on the Kern County permitting process. So I'm hoping that you can help us understand what the drivers are to better Production performance that you're seeing, is it better new well performance? Speaker 500:19:35Is it some kind of tailwind from prior years? Or is it the underlying base? And really, the number of my question is trying to understand what the unmitigated decline of the portfolio is? Speaker 200:19:48Hey, Kalei. Good talking to you. So I think you summarized in your question the answer really well. So Quarter over quarter, if you look at gross production and that's ultimately the best way to judge the performance of the reservoir, so you don't have Like we had some NGL storage noise in the quarter and you always have the production sharing contract, but the way you look at the rest of the world is to go to gross production And we're flat quarter over quarter. So, and it is a tailwind. Speaker 200:20:18We had 3 rigs when we started the year, so there's some benefit From performance of those wells, our current development plan, which is focused on the Wilmington field in Long Beach, it's performing Extremely well, kind of with Wells above type curve. So that helps as well. But at the end of the day, it's the quality of the underlying asset, right? The PDP of our base has a naturally very shallow decline and as we're able to move OpEx dollars Through downhole maintenance and as we're able to do capital workovers, we're able to mitigate that base decline over time. So, it's a low decline to start with all the activities having the effect that we would want. Speaker 200:21:01We still think at the end of the day, what starts Spading out is some of the support from the initial activity in the year. So we do see a 5% to 7% entry to exit decline. I feel pretty good about that number if you look from January to December. But we're happy with the results in the performance of the basin and The way it's with the productions responded year to date. Speaker 500:21:26Awesome. I appreciate that color, Francisco. My second question goes to the Carbon Management Business. Now I understand that there's some legislation that's in the works that's going to help define the state regulations on the CO2 pipelines. And I think So I'm trying to understand what the impact they may have on perhaps the third parties that are situated around you That are considering capture projects because at the moment, the majority of your offtake is with new build plants to be located on your own property where those regulations maybe aren't as meaningful. Speaker 200:22:03Yes. So there is a lot of work happening in California to get some pipeline regulation and the framework on their way. We see significant support among legislators for CCS, and there's a lot of discussion happening on Effectively, what's a trailer build to Senate Bill 905 to get that framework put in place. The session is still open, so I wouldn't say that it's happening next year versus this year. We do see progress. Speaker 200:22:37We do see conversations happening. So I wouldn't put a timeline to it until we have an ability to see how the session finishes. So but that is an important piece of legislation that needs to come out. And if you think about, okay, why are we at 5 Greenfield and still not at any of the legacy brownfield projects, It's really two things. One is the price discovery negotiations on the split of the economics, which is a normal commercial discussion between parties. Speaker 200:23:09But ultimately, we have an existing emission source and you have a permitted sink, which we're going to have in multiple places throughout the state. That connectivity between the two points is critical. And without having a good way to understand how the CO2 pipeline is going to be Regulated, I think that's an important gap that we're overcoming on both sides of the fence on CCS. Now working alongside all the decision makers and stakeholders to providing our input Is hopefully going to get us there at the end, but the way we're thinking through this is going on greenfield projects, going towards greenfield projects, It's a tremendous way to accelerate CCS. We can't wait always for the regulation to be put in place on the more challenging aspects. Speaker 200:24:00We have a project that can be co located. We have 3 projects now in fact, right? Blue Hydrogen, Renewable, Gasoline and DME. And that's a way to bring the energy transition into the near term, which is something that California really wants to see. So it brings alignment, we provide this one stop shop. Speaker 200:24:20It's a good way to showcase progress as we wait for other regulations to come into play. But You're right, that's going to be an important aspect to see that trailer built to 905 is something that we're very much looking to see and that's going to help Literally connect the points between emission sources and the storage walls. Speaker 500:24:41I appreciate it. I'll leave it there. Thanks. Speaker 200:24:43Thanks, Kelly. Operator00:24:45The next question comes from Nate Pendleton with Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:24:51Good morning. My first question starting at a high level, can you comment on how or if recent M and A in the CCS Space has impacted your view on separating Carvinteravolt? Speaker 200:25:05Yeah, I mean, I think it's Important to see the M and A space moving on CCS. It's a good validation, certainly, of Where the industry is heading, in particular, for the Denbury team. It's hard to predict where we go from here other than There's a lot of we knew there was a lot of investor interest in investment dollars in this space. Does that lead to combinations? I think it's clear that we're heading there. Speaker 200:25:35But ultimately, we're going to be all in different timelines. We're going to be in different markets to pursue. And I just see it as a good validation point that CCS is definitely going to be here to stay. Now in terms of the separation, I would say Not focused on the things that we don't control and whether we expand or not outside of our Current footprint, I think the focus really needs to be, we need to get permits from the EPA. We need to be able to Start construction and get line of sight into that first cash flow. Speaker 200:26:10I think at the end of the day, we're going to be looking at a it's an early stage industry With a lot of people that are watching every step of the way, so the best way to do it is just take it step by step And start showing progress. And the progress we've shown in 2 years has been tremendous. We look to accelerate that, but ultimately the permit is the catalyst. I don't see the M and A as the I think the permit situation with the EPA is going to be what gets things moving, not only for ourselves, but for a lot of other people that are in the space. Speaker 600:26:44Thanks. And looking at Slide 17, with your carbon terraval projects to date and the significant Mark, you mentioned on Slide 16, I believe. Do you have a target cadence for adding new sequestration sites beyond CTV5? Or could you provide any color As far as your outlook for additional sites? Speaker 200:27:04So we're targeting 200,000,000 tons Of course, space to be permitted. And we're at 191. So we're Pretty much there in terms of the permit submission aspect of this. What we've seen is, as we saw with 26R, which is Part of CTV 1, once you're in discussions with the EPA, once you collect more data, once you have a better sense of the land position, You're able to expand the projects and that's what we did with 26R. We added capacity to that. Speaker 200:27:38So there's always going to be room to expand beyond what we're submitting. But I think what else is critical is we've now secured the pore space that we want to pursue. We started the permitting process, it's about bringing in the CO2 into those fields, that's the next catalyst and that's what we're focused on. There's Over 20,000,000 tons per year of emissions, if you add every single counterparty that we're talking to at the moment, It adds up to about 20,000,000 tons of emissions. We think our pore space is able to ultimately on a combined basis get us About 5,000,000 tons of emissions per year. Speaker 200:28:20So we're about 4 times in terms of the As the coverage of CO2 in terms of counterparties that we're talking to were 4x our capacity. So It's important that we start getting reservations, we start finalizing deals with other parties. At some point, that poor space is going to run out, right? And then You have to restart again. Now there's going to be a lot more to do. Speaker 200:28:44We think it's 5 times our pore space that we ultimately can do, but our near term target is 200,000,000 tons. So really focused on that ability to connect the dots with the emitters, because I think everything else we feel like we got it in pretty good shape. Speaker 600:29:00Got it. Thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 200:29:03Thanks, Nate. Operator00:29:04The next question comes from Nitin Kumar with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:29:11Hi, and good afternoon, guys. I'm going to start with the oil and gas side of things. Francisco, you mentioned the 50,000,000 Target on OpEx, as I look at the numbers, you're really not guiding to that and you said that, but could you get a sense of the progress you have made To date, I know you aren't expecting the impact this year, but where are you on that project to reduce cost by 50,000,000? Speaker 200:29:40Hey, Nitin. So really excited about this initiative. I feel like we've had We have a tremendous team, a tremendous organization, but I challenge the team to see if we could do better. And that was the Can we do better than we have in the past? Are there opportunities? Speaker 200:29:59And Omar, who's here with me and others from the team, really have stepped up to the And said, yes, we can do better, and we're getting after it. So we gave some examples of the things we're looking at it. From the way we contract, there's some opportunity to bring some contracting work in house. There's other places where you actually may outsource In kind of challenging the model that we've had for close to a decade now as It was a good time to kind of test things that we could improve. We're looking at warehousing model. Speaker 200:30:35We're looking at relationships with key vendors. We're looking at the organizational design. But I think the commitment that I have from the team is this is not going to be a one and done process. We're always going to look for ways to improve the cost structure. And so where we might reach a finality here In this quarter, in terms of this first stage to get to $50,000,000 so we can start incorporating that into the 2024 guidance, We're going to continue working through ways to improve the business. Speaker 200:31:08And there's things like energy, for example. CTV is doing a lot of interesting things With new technology on that could really work in the future. And then If we can reduce our exposure to the California grid, that's going to be a big benefit to CRC and our cost structure. That's a big cost driver, the energy cost. We also have a lot of wells and those wells are great assets for us, right? Speaker 200:31:36We were able to do side tracks, we're able to do workovers without Having to have a drilling rig on-site, that answers part of the question as to why we have such low decline. But we're very spread out over a large footprint. So we're looking at things like Gen AI, drone technology, things that are up and coming. But I think we're going to be So anyways, to summarize, dollars 50,000,000 is what we have line of sight. We think we can get to that's where we have a plus because we think we can do a lot more. Speaker 200:32:12It's a commitment from the team To continue to look at operations and try to bring down the cost structure and ultimately drive to higher cash flows. Speaker 700:32:23Got it. Thank you for that answer. On the CMB side, you talk about the type curve of $50,000,000 to 135 1,000,000 per MMPTA, you're close to that 1st 1,000,000 or so, 815,000 CDMA signed. This might be a long shot, but any sense of which part of the type curve you are tracking to in the first 800? Speaker 200:32:50Yes, I mean, I think so all 5 of our projects so far, Nitin, that make the entirety of that amount is All greenfield storage only. So that points towards the lower end of the type curve. So 50 to 75 And the way to think about that is, it's a lower capital Requirement for those storage projects. All five of the projects that we are working towards will have a CAPTURE component built into the facility. So you don't have to attach a CAPTURE Technology into an existing plant, so it's already embedded or that plus you also have a much higher concentration of CO2 As you bring these projects to life. Speaker 200:33:42So those projects, because they're going to be less capital intensive, less capital requirement, When you look at returns, you're able to make really attractive returns by even with the lower EBITDA. The opposite end of the model is where we have a full CCS as a service, where we go to an emitter And we do all the way from capture equipment installation to transportation to storage. And that is the part of the type curve that would point To the higher levels that would point to the higher levels of the type curve. That also has higher capital commitments and therefore you need A higher contribution from the incentives in order to make our return. So right now, we're focusing on the lower end, but lower in this It means really good returns and low capital. Speaker 200:34:32So we're happy with those projects. We do want to pursue a brownfield project As many brownfield projects as we can. At the end of the day, this business is going to be successful if we can decarbonize Existing industry as much as we can. That's ultimately what gets the support from California. That's what we need in the state. Speaker 200:34:55And we think we're really well positioned to achieve both ends of the spectrum. Speaker 700:35:01Got it. Great. If I can sneak one last one, Just any update on the Kern County permitting? I know you had said that you expect permitting to restart second half of next year, but any updates there? Speaker 200:35:15That's still the timeline we're at. We anticipate a hearing in the appeal process to be scheduled Sometime in Q4 of this year, and that pushes a decision, a final decision to be at the beginning of next year. So we're looking to be back to normal activity in the second half of twenty twenty four. So no real changes other than We think the hearing is going to get scheduled here very soon. As a reminder, we're working on alternative plans to field level What's being challenged in the quarter is the current county environmental impact report. Speaker 200:35:53We're doing field level Sequas and EIRs for 3 of our core fields in the San Joaquin Basin that collectively have about 90% of our proved undeveloped. We're also looking for inventory and ability to drill wells outside of Kern County. So it's an all of the above strategy to get us back on track Operator00:36:17The next question comes from Leo Mariani with ROTH MKM. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:36:26Yes. Hi. Could you guys talk about just the production guide in the In the Q3, the 2nd quarter you did 86,000 barrels a day net. You guys talked about seeing some declines in But your Q3 guide is 86% to 88% that implies sort of a modest increase. Can you just kind of help us connect the dots there? Speaker 200:36:46Hey, Leo. Yes, so you basically are recovering some of the NGLs that we were not able to sell. So on a sales basis, That shift happens. So absent any big movements in price that affects your PSC barrels, We see it at that's the right range, 86% to 88% for the Q3. So that does imply further some decline in the 4th quarter. Speaker 800:37:13Okay. That's helpful. And then just in the second quarter, I mean, it looks like you guys paid out more than 100% of your Free cash flow to shareholders in the form of dividends as well as buybacks. Is that sort of an anomaly? Or are you guys sort of comfortable Potentially doing that just depending on, say, where the stock is and then the macro situation based on the strength of the balance sheet here. Speaker 200:37:38Yes, last year, we paid over 100 percent of free cash flow, if you look at 2022. Year to date, we're closer to 50%. We had a very high cash flow quarter in Q1. And so if you average Q1 and Q2, even though Q2 is higher than 100%. We're at about 50%. Speaker 200:37:58We're very comfortable with our capital allocation strategy, But we do evaluate the best method to provide returns and value to shareholders every quarter. I mean, we do have a fixed dividend, But it's about $1.13 per share. So that's in there that gives the market more of that fixed component. And then The rest of it is discretionary based on how the business is looking and where we see the most value. We do look at where is the best return for the company and that's what we act on. Speaker 200:38:31So we haven't been prescriptive on the shareholder buybacks, But because we like to assess every quarter where we are. But if you look backwards, we have been over 100% in 2022, but right now we're closer 50% for the year. Speaker 800:38:48Okay. That's helpful. And then also, could you just comment on sort of existing Competition for CCS deals out there in California. As far as I know, you guys are Operator00:39:00the only ones that have kind Speaker 200:39:01of put some deals on Speaker 800:39:03the board here With 5 deals, but certainly correct me if I'm wrong, any information you can kind of provide about the competitive landscape would be helpful. And then also, is there any update on the The parcel that you're working on in Huntington Beach area? Speaker 200:39:18Yes, I'll go with the Fort Apache, which is Our 1 acre parcel in Huntington Beach first and then I'll come back to the CCS question. So we have we are making progress. There's many components to converting an oilfield to a real estate project. We're going through abandonment. We're looking at regulatory requirements, but you also look at market conditions. Speaker 200:39:46So we're working through all three. As we said before, we think this gives us a really good look as to what ultimately be the decision that we make for the bigger property, which is 90 acres down the street. So it's a good way to test the waters and make sure we understand all the requirements from the law and ultimately gets this acre Sold into the highest and best bidder. So we're working through that. We said, I think we've from the beginning said that this was going to be Something that we would do by year end, not because we want to just provide a lot of cushion. Speaker 200:40:22There's a lot of things to do and we're working through it. I think I reported last time, we started working on abandonment. There's a few wells on-site. There's So all of that process has begun and is ongoing. So look back to reports to the results On that sale later this year, assuming market conditions hold. Speaker 200:40:47So that's kind of the update there. We're working through that. In terms of CCS, in competition, I mean, you can see if you look out to the EPA website, you'll see that on the permit submission front, We're not the only ones. There's a number of other projects out there. They do Tend to be more for self solutions, meaning there's parties that want to reduce their own emissions And they have a site that they identify nearby and that's how they're trying to do. Speaker 200:41:20So we haven't seen a carbon teravolt Competitor come out that has a view to look at all of the state submissions quite yet, At least not based on what you could see publicly. We do see competition. We do see this as being Not like the Gulf Coast, where it seems like a free for all, but here, you're going to have competition. We think there's going to be a very Business undertaking and that we see others that are either trying to acquire land, others that are you're going to start seeing some Permits, we think, in the EPA of parties that maybe they're not there or don't register as potential counterparties in the state. So feel good about what we've established to date, which is the core position that we wanted to have and what we ultimately ties to our commitments. Speaker 200:42:17But yes, don't be surprised if within the next 6 months you start hearing about others coming into California. Thank you so much. Operator00:42:25The next question comes from Noel Parks with Tuohy Brothers Investment Research. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:42:34Hi, good Speaker 200:42:36afternoon. Hi, Noel. How are you? Speaker 900:42:40Good. Thanks. Just a couple of things. I was thinking that, of course, the company has the long roots in oil and gas production, And you observed that CCS is a very young industry. So for the 5 deals you've done so far, It's kind of a sense that the train is just starting to chug along and maybe getting ready to leave the station for CCF. Speaker 900:43:08I I was wondering, can you sort of walk through the deals to date and describe what types of things you were negotiating on each of these transactions To get you or to get the customer to pull the trigger, sort of like what are the issues that are in the mix when you're with these past deals? Speaker 200:43:28Yes. So, we are kick starting the energy transition in California. And there's a lot of interest To develop markets like hydrogen or renewable gasoline, the project we announced with Verdi today. But in a lot of cases, I mean, 1st of all, you don't have the product, but you also don't have the market and the offtake. So the energy transition, I think We're very committed to it, but we need to drive towards that and that's a lot of investment that needs to come in and that's where We are working with agencies to get the permits underway, otherwise the transition is going to take much longer. Speaker 200:44:11But What we're trying to do with the conditions precedent that are established in the CDMA is basically relate to things like off take agreements. In some cases, we have already an existing offtake agreement with the counterparties. In some others, we're working through that. So who's going to buy the blue hydrogen from Lone Cypress? Critical that we understand that. Speaker 200:44:33And that's in terms of our We have preserved the option to invest into the projects on all 5 at this point, but that's a good way to really Look into the market and how that evolves. Now we there's a lot of groups in a lot of very We have a lot of groups with very deep pockets that want to develop that hydrogen network for heavy trucks in California, but that doesn't mean I think we have Something like 7 stations in the entire state. So that's going to require it's a little bit of a circular kind of chicken and the egg problem. We have off takers that want the product Their building plans are ready to go. And then, but you don't have the hydrogen in a form that's readily available and cost efficient that ultimately they can sell. Speaker 200:45:20We're trying to bring all of that together on these projects. So, but again, it's very well aligned Where the state is asking us to be. And so we want to be the tip of the spear. We want to be the leader in this space. We want to create these markets, But it's going to take some time. Speaker 200:45:38Now, if you think about brownfieldgreenfield, right, because this maybe sounds like it's early stage and it's not going to get there, You will get there. And again, because we're focusing on areas where we already own the land and we're going to be co located with the reservoirs, That brings us much closer to a final investment decision than others. If you had a brownfield project, you still have to install a capture facility And then make sure you have the right build out on the pipeline. So this is why these projects are not happening next year, right? That's what we said, To get to our critical mass of injection, we're looking at end of the year 2027 because a lot of these projects have to come together. Speaker 200:46:21But there's so just again to recap, it's a lot about the offtake agreements, who is going to be buying these products, is the support going to be there, what's the price. We went through a significant change, positive one with the IRA last year and 45Q providing A much better support for some of these projects and that's what we're actively trying to capitalize on these greenfield projects. But there's still a lot of work to do, but ultimately that Class 6 permit for us Is the catalyst that gets a lot of things going. We have the capital with Brookfield. We get the permits and it's a matter of starting the construction and getting these products to market. Speaker 900:47:04Great. Thanks a lot. It was just what I was looking for. And You also talked a bit about technology development. You're talking largely About in house applications for cost savings, but just zooming out a little bit to and this is a little bit of a devil's advocate question. Speaker 900:47:31Post injection of CO2, I don't know if you have I've done any work or can you talk about what sort of monitoring technology post injection you're going to need. And I was wondering, So is that something that's costly? Are the methods or the vendors for doing that standardized? Just thinking that as you have Worries about maybe opposition to injection of CO2, just sort of forestalling Any concerns that might be there around if staying sequestered etcetera? Speaker 200:48:12No, that's a great question. I'll pass it on to Chris Gould to provide the answer. Speaker 1000:48:17Yes. Hey there. I think the first the most important thing to understand when it Comes to monitoring is that that's part of the EPA Class 6 permit. So all the requirements are spelled out as to what needs And how for how long by what sensitivities those need to be dialed into if you will. So there's really not a lot of guesswork there. Speaker 1000:48:42We know what we have to do and we will get the permit on the basis of complying with that. When it comes to fulfilling those requirements, there's a lot of different applications or opportunities to do it Through collaborations with existing monitoring all the way through new technologies We've been heavily engaged with the DOE, other universities that conduct this sort of monitoring and have done so for Many years particularly in a state like California. So we feel very well prepared for complying with the permit requirements With an abundance of different emerging or existing technologies. Thank you. Speaker 900:49:29Great. Thanks a lot. Operator00:49:33And we have a follow-up from Scott Hanold from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:49:38Yes. Hey, thanks. Francisco, Real quick, you mentioned obviously on the shareholder return that you all are going to look at what creates most values for the shareholders. And Just some context, obviously, you've got the base dividend in there, but as you kind of step in and look at the buybacks, obviously, when you're Doing it before for the last year or so, I mean, doing it under $40 that was sort of a layup decision, right? Now, you're $10 to $15 per share Hi, Er. Speaker 400:50:07Like can you walk us through that thought process of from your on the allocation of shareholder returns, Like where does the stock price play into that and how do you think about like where it is today versus obviously where it had been over last year? Speaker 200:50:23Hey, Scott. Welcome back. So what's your price target, like 60? Speaker 700:50:28So, Speaker 200:50:32Absolutely. Yes. So we have the option to increase the dividend. We have the option to continue with buybacks. We also can look at the debt. Speaker 200:50:41All options are on the table. We like to be opportunistic because just like we did last quarter, We were able to buy shares at $0.39 And if you look at the history over the last 4, 5 months, I think we were able to pick a really good time to deploy the cash to buy the lowest average price for the share. That discretion, that ability to make a decision really comes from our returns oriented analysis, right? So we look at the opportunities in front of us and then we make Now what we even though there's discretion in the how we return cash to shareholders, We're very committed to the program and to return the highest amount of cash to the shareholders over the long run, right? So even though there may be some variability in the amounts in the quarter And the like, we do look at it actively and ultimately we're very committed. Speaker 200:51:35Now as a reminder, right, we didn't talk about it today, but we have the High yield indenture that ultimately governs our ability to distribute cash via either dividends or buybacks. And it's the last 12 months, 50% of net income calculation. So there is a oil price Or a commodity price component to it. If you're bringing in, you might have a period of very high prices at the moment, but you're bringing in Lower commodity prices from the last 12 months and that acts as a capping mechanism, right? So because we're dealing with those caps and you're dealing with discretion, It's very difficult to be more prescriptive, but very committed to returning as much cash to the shareholders as we can. Speaker 400:52:22No, that's helpful. And one real quick one for me just to close it out for me. Just on some of these greenfield projects that you all have CDMA's for, When you think about, obviously, your Class 6 permit, which is something you're working towards, but are there any other Like permits or approvals that we should be thinking about to get like a blue hydrogen or blue ammonia, renewable gasoline facility approved either at the state Or even at the current County Planning Commission, is there any specific approvals or legislation that govern some of that? Speaker 200:52:56Yes. No, so you need a conditional use permit. That's a critical local California permit. And that's doing in conjunction and working very closely with the Kern County Planning Commission. So those conversations are ongoing for the projects that are Like I said before, we're working on all those in parallel. Speaker 200:53:19It's nice to have the current accounting planning commission there because they All aspects of the energy spectrum, right. They're the ones that do the conditional use permits for oil and gas, But also for solar and wind projects. So it's a natural extension of what they do to look at the greenfield projects And be the group that oversees these permits. So that's one to look for and but like I said, we're working through it there, they're aware of our plans, Lockstep working with a lot of the same information that you send to the EPA, you have to provide locally. So that would be one to look for after we get the draft permit this year. Speaker 200:54:01We'll share more of the progress and the inner workings of the California approval. So that's the one I would highlight. Certainly, we're looking for the pipeline regulation to also be put into place in the near term. That's going to be criticalRead morePowered by Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckPress Release(8-K)Quarterly report(10-Q) California Resources Earnings HeadlinesAnalysts Set California Resources Co. 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There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Joanna Park, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:11Welcome to the California Resources Corporation's Q2 2023 conference call. Participating on today's call are Francisco Leon, President and Chief Executive Officer Nelly Molina, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer as well as CRC's entire executive team. I'd like to highlight that we have provided slides in the Investor Relations section of our website, crc.com. These slides provide additional information on our operations and our second quarter results. We have also provided information reconciling non GAAP financial measures discussed to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures on our website as well as in our earnings press release. Speaker 100:00:52Today, we are making some forward looking statements based on current expectations. Actual results could differ due to factors described in our earnings release and in our periodic SEC filings. As a reminder, we have allotted additional time for Q and A at the end of our prepared remarks, and we ask that participants limit their questions to a primary And one follow-up. With that, I will now turn the call over to Francisco. Speaker 200:01:18Thank you, Joanna. At CRC, our strengths are clear, cash flow, Carvan in California. First, our cash flow strength comes from our high quality, low decline assets. These assets provide a large production base with predictable cash flows from our long lived reserves. Further, we produce some of the lowest carbon intensity oil and in the U. Speaker 200:01:39S, which we sell into markets that have access to premium pricing and advantage realizations as compared to the rest of the U. S. Our second strength is our carbon storage platform, Carbon Teravolt, which benefits from an early mover advantage for CCS. CRC's large mineral and surface acreage position, plus the quality of our geological reservoirs, Our extensive surface knowledge and joint venture with Brookfield continue to provide us with a competitive advantage. Carbon Terrible meets the nation in permit applications submitted to the EPA. Speaker 200:02:16Additionally, our CCS storage potential continues to attract significant interest from current and future emitters. To date, we have executed 5 Carbon Dioxide Management Agreements or CDMAs for a combined injection rate of 815,000 metric tons per year, which represents reservations of 16% of our pore space And good progress towards our target of 5,000,000 tons per year of injection by year end 2027. Our third strength is California. California's energy industry offers attractive market with high barriers to entry. The state is the 5th largest economy in the world with energy needs that far surpass local production. Speaker 200:03:00At CRC, we proudly operate under the highest environmental standards in the world and our long track record of safe operation demonstrates our ability to navigate California's regulatory landscape. California also has ambitious de carbonization goals and the right incentives to drive emission reductions throughout the state. CRC is well positioned to help advance the state's energy transition and be a solutions provider to the state. From an operational perspective, we continue to make great progress on our business transformation efforts And are now targeting $50,000,000 or more in annualized run rate savings. The goal of our transformation is to recalibrate our approach To reflect our current and future needs and improve our cost structure. Speaker 200:03:51Therefore, we're evaluating all aspects of the business looking for operational optimizations, organizational improvements and new technologies to drive cost out of the system. Initial actions have focused on our key business processes around well services, chemical programs and our warehousing model. We also see opportunities for improvement in how we utilize our contractors and rental equipments in the field locations. By aligning our practices and our operations to the current business environment and our long term strategy, we can execute on our strategy to cash flows and further enhance shareholder returns. Note that savings from these initiatives are not included in the 23 guidance we provided today, but are targeted to be in place before year end and reflected in 'twenty four results. Speaker 200:04:44In the Q2 of 'twenty three, we produced 86,000 BOE per day operating 1 rig in Long Beach and 35 Workover Rigs. A combination of strong demand and favorable pricing underpinned $69,000,000 of free cash flow generated in the quarter and brings our year to date total free cash flow to $332,000,000 During the quarter, we repurchased $64,000,000 of our common shares and paid $20,000,000 to our shareholders in dividends. This represents 122 percent of our free cash flow return to shareholders in the 2nd quarter. Since May 21, CRC has returned nearly $700,000,000 to our shareholders or nearly 20% of our current market cap. Our reservoirs continue to perform in line with expectations. Speaker 200:05:33Our stable performance is best observed from our gross production results, which excludes variations from our production sharing contracts in Long Beach and NGL storage levels. Our flat quarter over quarter gross production demonstrates the productivity of our stacked pay and efficacy of our downhole maintenance program. As a reminder, we continue to see delays in new drill permit approvals. We'll continue to receive permits from CalGen for workovers, Despite a lack of new drilling permits, we remain on track to deliver 5 Our 2023 development plan is focused on permits in hand And our high return recompletion and workover activity highlights CRC's ability to manage reservoirs and maintain capital efficiency even at lower activity levels. On a net production basis, oil came at the midpoint of our guidance range, while total production ended up on the lower end due to storing of NGLs. Speaker 200:06:36We typically store NGL volumes produced during the Q2 to sell in higher demand periods, maximizing our cash flows. On the power side, our 5 50 Megawatt power plant provides us with the ability to manage field level power cost at Elk Hills and surrounding fields, As well as to optimize between taking incremental volumes of natural gas to market or converting the sea natural gas to power for delivery into the Kaiso Wholesale Powermark. Our natural gas and marketing activities once again had a very strong quarter. As CityGate gas Prices held up much better than field level prices. Our natural gas and marketing activities once again had a very strong quarter. Speaker 200:07:17The team was able to double quarterly margin results versus guidance expectations by taking advantage of the transportation and delivery resources we maintain. Looking ahead, our natural gas marketing margin should moderate in the second half of twenty twenty three as California's natural gas inventories return to more seasonal levels And the abundance of hydro generation capacity competes with natural gas fire generation this summer and fall. Moving to carbon management, during the quarter, we executed our 5th CDMA with Verde Clean Fuels for our renewable gasoline project. This project further confirms our economic type curve of $50,000,000 to $75,000,000 of EBITDA per metric ton for storage only project. We also expanded our capacity reserve for Lone Cypress for the previously announced blue hydrogen project. Speaker 200:08:07Anticipated CO2 injection has Now more than double from 100,000 to 205,000 metric tons per year for the project. These facilities in addition to our agreement signed with InvenTeq Earlier this year, our plan to be located at our net zero industrial park at Elk Hills, which provides a unique benefit of offering surface acres for build out midstream and co location with permanent CO2 storage. Post quarter end, we submitted another Class 6 permit application for CPV-five, continuing our pole position for storage permit submissions in the queue with the The permit application has a capacity of 17,000,000 metric tons of CO2 storage, bringing CTV's We continue to target a draft Class The recent EPA draft permit approval for a project in Indiana is encouraging for the CCS See positive traction from our conversations with potential emission sources as well as various other stakeholders. Lastly, we continue to evaluate the separation of our Carbon Management Business. Carbon Terrible continues to make strong progress each quarter. Speaker 200:09:32However, we're still in the early stages. We continue to look for certain important milestones such as permit approval, project FID and line of sight to first CO2 injection and cash flows before considering a potential [SPEAKER GUSTAVO WERNECK DA CUNHA:] And now I'll pass it over to Neli to provide an update on CRC's financial position and outlook. Speaker 300:09:53Thank you, Francisco, and welcome again, everyone. Our balance sheet remains in solid condition. During the quarter, we expanded our net RBL commitments by $25,000,000 bringing our total commitments to $627,000,000 We ended the quarter with $927,000,000 of liquidity, which includes $448,000,000 in cash. Our net leverage position reflects a very modest 0.2 times of leverage, while our fixed charge coverage exceeds 17 times. Given the cyclical nature of the commodity prices, keeping our financial strength is a key pillar of our strategy. Speaker 300:10:36Looking forward, we are maintaining our full year production guidance. As Francisco mentioned before, Our reservoirs are performing in line with our expectations, which are informed by decades of operating history. We anticipate modest declines in the second half of the year, in line with our previously disclosed range of 5 To 7% annual decline. Regarding our capital program, we take a dynamic approach in response to commodity price volatility and focus our activity on maintaining oil production and maximizing our free cash flow. We reaffirm our 2023 capital program to range between $200,000,000 $245,000,000 Under current conditions, with a heavier weighting in the second half of the year due to timing of projects and higher expected work cover activity. Speaker 300:11:33Oil and natural gas developments will continue to be focused mainly on executing projects using existing permits. While commodity prices remained at healthy levels, the forward street softened during the Q2. Our updated guidance reflects our strong natural gas marketing activities to date as well as our outlook for commodity price differentials. The NGL market reflects seasonal quarterly pricing trends and the global oversupply market environment. On the natural gas side, our guidance reflects the unprecedented price spikes registered in the Q1 on the full year average, but also the return to normalized levels in the second half of twenty twenty three. Speaker 300:12:20As a result, we are lowering the top end of the range of our 2023 operating cost guidance by 15,000,000 due to lower energy related operating expenses expected in the second half of the year. Additionally, we are narrowing the range of our Free cash flow guidance for the year to $380,000,000 to $460,000,000 Let me remind you Our 2023 guidance is based on an estimated Brent price of $77.54 per barrel and $2.87 per Mcf NYMEX price. Our key financial priorities in the second half of the year Or the execution of our business transformation initiative to reduce our expected 2024 cost run rate in $50,000,000 or more. And being responsible stewardship of the best uses of our balance. With that, I will turn it back to Francisco. Speaker 200:13:21Thank you, Nelly. CRC's unique value proposition is founded on our disciplined capital allocation, Solid balance sheet and free cash flow generation capability. CRC's continued progress at Carbon Terrible That provides shareholders a way to participate in CCS in California as a path toward a decarbonized future. To summarize, CRC's strengths are cash flow, carbon and California. Thank you for joining us on the call today. Speaker 200:13:50We'll now open the line for questions. Operator? Operator00:14:18Please limit yourself to one primary and a follow-up. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question comes from Scott Hanold with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:14:37Hey, thanks. For my first question, I was wondering if you all can provide an update on the Class 6 permit process with respect to the Indiana permit that you had indicated. So if you could compare and Like any kind of differences or the timeframe that they had to go through in Indiana to get theirs and versus what you all are doing there. So If you can just kind of compare and contrast and if there are any differences between those, just trying to get a sense of your confidence in that year end target for receiving the draft permit. Speaker 200:15:14Hey, Scott. How's it going? So, yes, we're still targeting the draft permit for CTV before year end 2023. Big catalyst for CTV, big catalyst for California in general. We're engaging with the EPA regularly and hope we're the first in California. Speaker 200:15:34We are dealing with a different part of the EPA. We're Dealing with Region 9. So we talked to both Region 9 and headquarters, but we don't have a lot of visibility To the permit in Indiana. Best we can tell is that they filed before we did. So a little bit longer timeline for them, But hard to say really from where we stand as to how good the permit application was and ultimately the steps that they took to get there. Speaker 200:16:06So I won't comment on that permit. Just feel like we made a lot of good progress on the technical discussions with the EPA And still feel very much in target to get the draft permit this year. Speaker 400:16:18Got it. And when you refer to the technical progress, you're just talking about like just Suitability of the reservoir and everything like that, is that fair? Speaker 200:16:27That's fair. I mean, there's financial assurances, there's community There's a number of things that the EPA is going through as they make decision on permits, and I feel that Chris Gould and the team have done an exceptional job getting us prepared. But ultimately, we were waiting for that Final sign off that we have the draft permit and I think the not only CRC, but the rest of the CCS space is eagerly waiting Speaker 400:17:00Okay. And for my next question, I'm going to sort of keep on the same kind of line of questioning, but The community support aspect, obviously, I think is going to be a big Kind of lifting effort too, especially being in California, but can you give a sense of like what you as CRC are doing specifically to get the community support and help get that through because I do think there's that comment period after you receive the draft, correct? Speaker 200:17:35Yes, that's correct. After the draft permit gets granted, there's a period of time for public comments and then a final permit gets granted after those We're working our team is working diligently in parallel to get the public comment Discussion underway and getting the support from the communities. You know, as their first project, it's critical that the first project is successful for all the stakeholders. And we're in Kern County. We're also at Elk Hills at a field that we own 100% fee simple, Remote from any neighborhood, any areas of concern from the public, this is the right place to have our first project in California. Speaker 200:18:19So And we're the right counterparty to be leading it. We see as we spend time with community leaders and we do community plans, we feel there's a support that's there. And so again, to us, it's not a sequential process. We very much got started already and feel the support is going to be there. We're also working with Kern County and the Kern County Planning Commission to look at the permits that are required at a local level, So that we're good to go once the EPA gives us a sign off. Speaker 200:18:51So a lot of things in motion, but we are progressing in every respect And look forward to getting started. Speaker 400:18:59Appreciate it. Thank you. Operator00:19:04The next question comes from Kalei Akamai with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:19:10Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. And my first question, I just want to hit on production. So coming into this year, I think we're expecting to see high single digit declines By year end because of the constraints that you're seeing on the Kern County permitting process. So I'm hoping that you can help us understand what the drivers are to better Production performance that you're seeing, is it better new well performance? Speaker 500:19:35Is it some kind of tailwind from prior years? Or is it the underlying base? And really, the number of my question is trying to understand what the unmitigated decline of the portfolio is? Speaker 200:19:48Hey, Kalei. Good talking to you. So I think you summarized in your question the answer really well. So Quarter over quarter, if you look at gross production and that's ultimately the best way to judge the performance of the reservoir, so you don't have Like we had some NGL storage noise in the quarter and you always have the production sharing contract, but the way you look at the rest of the world is to go to gross production And we're flat quarter over quarter. So, and it is a tailwind. Speaker 200:20:18We had 3 rigs when we started the year, so there's some benefit From performance of those wells, our current development plan, which is focused on the Wilmington field in Long Beach, it's performing Extremely well, kind of with Wells above type curve. So that helps as well. But at the end of the day, it's the quality of the underlying asset, right? The PDP of our base has a naturally very shallow decline and as we're able to move OpEx dollars Through downhole maintenance and as we're able to do capital workovers, we're able to mitigate that base decline over time. So, it's a low decline to start with all the activities having the effect that we would want. Speaker 200:21:01We still think at the end of the day, what starts Spading out is some of the support from the initial activity in the year. So we do see a 5% to 7% entry to exit decline. I feel pretty good about that number if you look from January to December. But we're happy with the results in the performance of the basin and The way it's with the productions responded year to date. Speaker 500:21:26Awesome. I appreciate that color, Francisco. My second question goes to the Carbon Management Business. Now I understand that there's some legislation that's in the works that's going to help define the state regulations on the CO2 pipelines. And I think So I'm trying to understand what the impact they may have on perhaps the third parties that are situated around you That are considering capture projects because at the moment, the majority of your offtake is with new build plants to be located on your own property where those regulations maybe aren't as meaningful. Speaker 200:22:03Yes. So there is a lot of work happening in California to get some pipeline regulation and the framework on their way. We see significant support among legislators for CCS, and there's a lot of discussion happening on Effectively, what's a trailer build to Senate Bill 905 to get that framework put in place. The session is still open, so I wouldn't say that it's happening next year versus this year. We do see progress. Speaker 200:22:37We do see conversations happening. So I wouldn't put a timeline to it until we have an ability to see how the session finishes. So but that is an important piece of legislation that needs to come out. And if you think about, okay, why are we at 5 Greenfield and still not at any of the legacy brownfield projects, It's really two things. One is the price discovery negotiations on the split of the economics, which is a normal commercial discussion between parties. Speaker 200:23:09But ultimately, we have an existing emission source and you have a permitted sink, which we're going to have in multiple places throughout the state. That connectivity between the two points is critical. And without having a good way to understand how the CO2 pipeline is going to be Regulated, I think that's an important gap that we're overcoming on both sides of the fence on CCS. Now working alongside all the decision makers and stakeholders to providing our input Is hopefully going to get us there at the end, but the way we're thinking through this is going on greenfield projects, going towards greenfield projects, It's a tremendous way to accelerate CCS. We can't wait always for the regulation to be put in place on the more challenging aspects. Speaker 200:24:00We have a project that can be co located. We have 3 projects now in fact, right? Blue Hydrogen, Renewable, Gasoline and DME. And that's a way to bring the energy transition into the near term, which is something that California really wants to see. So it brings alignment, we provide this one stop shop. Speaker 200:24:20It's a good way to showcase progress as we wait for other regulations to come into play. But You're right, that's going to be an important aspect to see that trailer built to 905 is something that we're very much looking to see and that's going to help Literally connect the points between emission sources and the storage walls. Speaker 500:24:41I appreciate it. I'll leave it there. Thanks. Speaker 200:24:43Thanks, Kelly. Operator00:24:45The next question comes from Nate Pendleton with Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:24:51Good morning. My first question starting at a high level, can you comment on how or if recent M and A in the CCS Space has impacted your view on separating Carvinteravolt? Speaker 200:25:05Yeah, I mean, I think it's Important to see the M and A space moving on CCS. It's a good validation, certainly, of Where the industry is heading, in particular, for the Denbury team. It's hard to predict where we go from here other than There's a lot of we knew there was a lot of investor interest in investment dollars in this space. Does that lead to combinations? I think it's clear that we're heading there. Speaker 200:25:35But ultimately, we're going to be all in different timelines. We're going to be in different markets to pursue. And I just see it as a good validation point that CCS is definitely going to be here to stay. Now in terms of the separation, I would say Not focused on the things that we don't control and whether we expand or not outside of our Current footprint, I think the focus really needs to be, we need to get permits from the EPA. We need to be able to Start construction and get line of sight into that first cash flow. Speaker 200:26:10I think at the end of the day, we're going to be looking at a it's an early stage industry With a lot of people that are watching every step of the way, so the best way to do it is just take it step by step And start showing progress. And the progress we've shown in 2 years has been tremendous. We look to accelerate that, but ultimately the permit is the catalyst. I don't see the M and A as the I think the permit situation with the EPA is going to be what gets things moving, not only for ourselves, but for a lot of other people that are in the space. Speaker 600:26:44Thanks. And looking at Slide 17, with your carbon terraval projects to date and the significant Mark, you mentioned on Slide 16, I believe. Do you have a target cadence for adding new sequestration sites beyond CTV5? Or could you provide any color As far as your outlook for additional sites? Speaker 200:27:04So we're targeting 200,000,000 tons Of course, space to be permitted. And we're at 191. So we're Pretty much there in terms of the permit submission aspect of this. What we've seen is, as we saw with 26R, which is Part of CTV 1, once you're in discussions with the EPA, once you collect more data, once you have a better sense of the land position, You're able to expand the projects and that's what we did with 26R. We added capacity to that. Speaker 200:27:38So there's always going to be room to expand beyond what we're submitting. But I think what else is critical is we've now secured the pore space that we want to pursue. We started the permitting process, it's about bringing in the CO2 into those fields, that's the next catalyst and that's what we're focused on. There's Over 20,000,000 tons per year of emissions, if you add every single counterparty that we're talking to at the moment, It adds up to about 20,000,000 tons of emissions. We think our pore space is able to ultimately on a combined basis get us About 5,000,000 tons of emissions per year. Speaker 200:28:20So we're about 4 times in terms of the As the coverage of CO2 in terms of counterparties that we're talking to were 4x our capacity. So It's important that we start getting reservations, we start finalizing deals with other parties. At some point, that poor space is going to run out, right? And then You have to restart again. Now there's going to be a lot more to do. Speaker 200:28:44We think it's 5 times our pore space that we ultimately can do, but our near term target is 200,000,000 tons. So really focused on that ability to connect the dots with the emitters, because I think everything else we feel like we got it in pretty good shape. Speaker 600:29:00Got it. Thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 200:29:03Thanks, Nate. Operator00:29:04The next question comes from Nitin Kumar with Mizuho. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:29:11Hi, and good afternoon, guys. I'm going to start with the oil and gas side of things. Francisco, you mentioned the 50,000,000 Target on OpEx, as I look at the numbers, you're really not guiding to that and you said that, but could you get a sense of the progress you have made To date, I know you aren't expecting the impact this year, but where are you on that project to reduce cost by 50,000,000? Speaker 200:29:40Hey, Nitin. So really excited about this initiative. I feel like we've had We have a tremendous team, a tremendous organization, but I challenge the team to see if we could do better. And that was the Can we do better than we have in the past? Are there opportunities? Speaker 200:29:59And Omar, who's here with me and others from the team, really have stepped up to the And said, yes, we can do better, and we're getting after it. So we gave some examples of the things we're looking at it. From the way we contract, there's some opportunity to bring some contracting work in house. There's other places where you actually may outsource In kind of challenging the model that we've had for close to a decade now as It was a good time to kind of test things that we could improve. We're looking at warehousing model. Speaker 200:30:35We're looking at relationships with key vendors. We're looking at the organizational design. But I think the commitment that I have from the team is this is not going to be a one and done process. We're always going to look for ways to improve the cost structure. And so where we might reach a finality here In this quarter, in terms of this first stage to get to $50,000,000 so we can start incorporating that into the 2024 guidance, We're going to continue working through ways to improve the business. Speaker 200:31:08And there's things like energy, for example. CTV is doing a lot of interesting things With new technology on that could really work in the future. And then If we can reduce our exposure to the California grid, that's going to be a big benefit to CRC and our cost structure. That's a big cost driver, the energy cost. We also have a lot of wells and those wells are great assets for us, right? Speaker 200:31:36We were able to do side tracks, we're able to do workovers without Having to have a drilling rig on-site, that answers part of the question as to why we have such low decline. But we're very spread out over a large footprint. So we're looking at things like Gen AI, drone technology, things that are up and coming. But I think we're going to be So anyways, to summarize, dollars 50,000,000 is what we have line of sight. We think we can get to that's where we have a plus because we think we can do a lot more. Speaker 200:32:12It's a commitment from the team To continue to look at operations and try to bring down the cost structure and ultimately drive to higher cash flows. Speaker 700:32:23Got it. Thank you for that answer. On the CMB side, you talk about the type curve of $50,000,000 to 135 1,000,000 per MMPTA, you're close to that 1st 1,000,000 or so, 815,000 CDMA signed. This might be a long shot, but any sense of which part of the type curve you are tracking to in the first 800? Speaker 200:32:50Yes, I mean, I think so all 5 of our projects so far, Nitin, that make the entirety of that amount is All greenfield storage only. So that points towards the lower end of the type curve. So 50 to 75 And the way to think about that is, it's a lower capital Requirement for those storage projects. All five of the projects that we are working towards will have a CAPTURE component built into the facility. So you don't have to attach a CAPTURE Technology into an existing plant, so it's already embedded or that plus you also have a much higher concentration of CO2 As you bring these projects to life. Speaker 200:33:42So those projects, because they're going to be less capital intensive, less capital requirement, When you look at returns, you're able to make really attractive returns by even with the lower EBITDA. The opposite end of the model is where we have a full CCS as a service, where we go to an emitter And we do all the way from capture equipment installation to transportation to storage. And that is the part of the type curve that would point To the higher levels that would point to the higher levels of the type curve. That also has higher capital commitments and therefore you need A higher contribution from the incentives in order to make our return. So right now, we're focusing on the lower end, but lower in this It means really good returns and low capital. Speaker 200:34:32So we're happy with those projects. We do want to pursue a brownfield project As many brownfield projects as we can. At the end of the day, this business is going to be successful if we can decarbonize Existing industry as much as we can. That's ultimately what gets the support from California. That's what we need in the state. Speaker 200:34:55And we think we're really well positioned to achieve both ends of the spectrum. Speaker 700:35:01Got it. Great. If I can sneak one last one, Just any update on the Kern County permitting? I know you had said that you expect permitting to restart second half of next year, but any updates there? Speaker 200:35:15That's still the timeline we're at. We anticipate a hearing in the appeal process to be scheduled Sometime in Q4 of this year, and that pushes a decision, a final decision to be at the beginning of next year. So we're looking to be back to normal activity in the second half of twenty twenty four. So no real changes other than We think the hearing is going to get scheduled here very soon. As a reminder, we're working on alternative plans to field level What's being challenged in the quarter is the current county environmental impact report. Speaker 200:35:53We're doing field level Sequas and EIRs for 3 of our core fields in the San Joaquin Basin that collectively have about 90% of our proved undeveloped. We're also looking for inventory and ability to drill wells outside of Kern County. So it's an all of the above strategy to get us back on track Operator00:36:17The next question comes from Leo Mariani with ROTH MKM. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:36:26Yes. Hi. Could you guys talk about just the production guide in the In the Q3, the 2nd quarter you did 86,000 barrels a day net. You guys talked about seeing some declines in But your Q3 guide is 86% to 88% that implies sort of a modest increase. Can you just kind of help us connect the dots there? Speaker 200:36:46Hey, Leo. Yes, so you basically are recovering some of the NGLs that we were not able to sell. So on a sales basis, That shift happens. So absent any big movements in price that affects your PSC barrels, We see it at that's the right range, 86% to 88% for the Q3. So that does imply further some decline in the 4th quarter. Speaker 800:37:13Okay. That's helpful. And then just in the second quarter, I mean, it looks like you guys paid out more than 100% of your Free cash flow to shareholders in the form of dividends as well as buybacks. Is that sort of an anomaly? Or are you guys sort of comfortable Potentially doing that just depending on, say, where the stock is and then the macro situation based on the strength of the balance sheet here. Speaker 200:37:38Yes, last year, we paid over 100 percent of free cash flow, if you look at 2022. Year to date, we're closer to 50%. We had a very high cash flow quarter in Q1. And so if you average Q1 and Q2, even though Q2 is higher than 100%. We're at about 50%. Speaker 200:37:58We're very comfortable with our capital allocation strategy, But we do evaluate the best method to provide returns and value to shareholders every quarter. I mean, we do have a fixed dividend, But it's about $1.13 per share. So that's in there that gives the market more of that fixed component. And then The rest of it is discretionary based on how the business is looking and where we see the most value. We do look at where is the best return for the company and that's what we act on. Speaker 200:38:31So we haven't been prescriptive on the shareholder buybacks, But because we like to assess every quarter where we are. But if you look backwards, we have been over 100% in 2022, but right now we're closer 50% for the year. Speaker 800:38:48Okay. That's helpful. And then also, could you just comment on sort of existing Competition for CCS deals out there in California. As far as I know, you guys are Operator00:39:00the only ones that have kind Speaker 200:39:01of put some deals on Speaker 800:39:03the board here With 5 deals, but certainly correct me if I'm wrong, any information you can kind of provide about the competitive landscape would be helpful. And then also, is there any update on the The parcel that you're working on in Huntington Beach area? Speaker 200:39:18Yes, I'll go with the Fort Apache, which is Our 1 acre parcel in Huntington Beach first and then I'll come back to the CCS question. So we have we are making progress. There's many components to converting an oilfield to a real estate project. We're going through abandonment. We're looking at regulatory requirements, but you also look at market conditions. Speaker 200:39:46So we're working through all three. As we said before, we think this gives us a really good look as to what ultimately be the decision that we make for the bigger property, which is 90 acres down the street. So it's a good way to test the waters and make sure we understand all the requirements from the law and ultimately gets this acre Sold into the highest and best bidder. So we're working through that. We said, I think we've from the beginning said that this was going to be Something that we would do by year end, not because we want to just provide a lot of cushion. Speaker 200:40:22There's a lot of things to do and we're working through it. I think I reported last time, we started working on abandonment. There's a few wells on-site. There's So all of that process has begun and is ongoing. So look back to reports to the results On that sale later this year, assuming market conditions hold. Speaker 200:40:47So that's kind of the update there. We're working through that. In terms of CCS, in competition, I mean, you can see if you look out to the EPA website, you'll see that on the permit submission front, We're not the only ones. There's a number of other projects out there. They do Tend to be more for self solutions, meaning there's parties that want to reduce their own emissions And they have a site that they identify nearby and that's how they're trying to do. Speaker 200:41:20So we haven't seen a carbon teravolt Competitor come out that has a view to look at all of the state submissions quite yet, At least not based on what you could see publicly. We do see competition. We do see this as being Not like the Gulf Coast, where it seems like a free for all, but here, you're going to have competition. We think there's going to be a very Business undertaking and that we see others that are either trying to acquire land, others that are you're going to start seeing some Permits, we think, in the EPA of parties that maybe they're not there or don't register as potential counterparties in the state. So feel good about what we've established to date, which is the core position that we wanted to have and what we ultimately ties to our commitments. Speaker 200:42:17But yes, don't be surprised if within the next 6 months you start hearing about others coming into California. Thank you so much. Operator00:42:25The next question comes from Noel Parks with Tuohy Brothers Investment Research. Please go ahead. Speaker 900:42:34Hi, good Speaker 200:42:36afternoon. Hi, Noel. How are you? Speaker 900:42:40Good. Thanks. Just a couple of things. I was thinking that, of course, the company has the long roots in oil and gas production, And you observed that CCS is a very young industry. So for the 5 deals you've done so far, It's kind of a sense that the train is just starting to chug along and maybe getting ready to leave the station for CCF. Speaker 900:43:08I I was wondering, can you sort of walk through the deals to date and describe what types of things you were negotiating on each of these transactions To get you or to get the customer to pull the trigger, sort of like what are the issues that are in the mix when you're with these past deals? Speaker 200:43:28Yes. So, we are kick starting the energy transition in California. And there's a lot of interest To develop markets like hydrogen or renewable gasoline, the project we announced with Verdi today. But in a lot of cases, I mean, 1st of all, you don't have the product, but you also don't have the market and the offtake. So the energy transition, I think We're very committed to it, but we need to drive towards that and that's a lot of investment that needs to come in and that's where We are working with agencies to get the permits underway, otherwise the transition is going to take much longer. Speaker 200:44:11But What we're trying to do with the conditions precedent that are established in the CDMA is basically relate to things like off take agreements. In some cases, we have already an existing offtake agreement with the counterparties. In some others, we're working through that. So who's going to buy the blue hydrogen from Lone Cypress? Critical that we understand that. Speaker 200:44:33And that's in terms of our We have preserved the option to invest into the projects on all 5 at this point, but that's a good way to really Look into the market and how that evolves. Now we there's a lot of groups in a lot of very We have a lot of groups with very deep pockets that want to develop that hydrogen network for heavy trucks in California, but that doesn't mean I think we have Something like 7 stations in the entire state. So that's going to require it's a little bit of a circular kind of chicken and the egg problem. We have off takers that want the product Their building plans are ready to go. And then, but you don't have the hydrogen in a form that's readily available and cost efficient that ultimately they can sell. Speaker 200:45:20We're trying to bring all of that together on these projects. So, but again, it's very well aligned Where the state is asking us to be. And so we want to be the tip of the spear. We want to be the leader in this space. We want to create these markets, But it's going to take some time. Speaker 200:45:38Now, if you think about brownfieldgreenfield, right, because this maybe sounds like it's early stage and it's not going to get there, You will get there. And again, because we're focusing on areas where we already own the land and we're going to be co located with the reservoirs, That brings us much closer to a final investment decision than others. If you had a brownfield project, you still have to install a capture facility And then make sure you have the right build out on the pipeline. So this is why these projects are not happening next year, right? That's what we said, To get to our critical mass of injection, we're looking at end of the year 2027 because a lot of these projects have to come together. Speaker 200:46:21But there's so just again to recap, it's a lot about the offtake agreements, who is going to be buying these products, is the support going to be there, what's the price. We went through a significant change, positive one with the IRA last year and 45Q providing A much better support for some of these projects and that's what we're actively trying to capitalize on these greenfield projects. But there's still a lot of work to do, but ultimately that Class 6 permit for us Is the catalyst that gets a lot of things going. We have the capital with Brookfield. We get the permits and it's a matter of starting the construction and getting these products to market. Speaker 900:47:04Great. Thanks a lot. It was just what I was looking for. And You also talked a bit about technology development. You're talking largely About in house applications for cost savings, but just zooming out a little bit to and this is a little bit of a devil's advocate question. Speaker 900:47:31Post injection of CO2, I don't know if you have I've done any work or can you talk about what sort of monitoring technology post injection you're going to need. And I was wondering, So is that something that's costly? Are the methods or the vendors for doing that standardized? Just thinking that as you have Worries about maybe opposition to injection of CO2, just sort of forestalling Any concerns that might be there around if staying sequestered etcetera? Speaker 200:48:12No, that's a great question. I'll pass it on to Chris Gould to provide the answer. Speaker 1000:48:17Yes. Hey there. I think the first the most important thing to understand when it Comes to monitoring is that that's part of the EPA Class 6 permit. So all the requirements are spelled out as to what needs And how for how long by what sensitivities those need to be dialed into if you will. So there's really not a lot of guesswork there. Speaker 1000:48:42We know what we have to do and we will get the permit on the basis of complying with that. When it comes to fulfilling those requirements, there's a lot of different applications or opportunities to do it Through collaborations with existing monitoring all the way through new technologies We've been heavily engaged with the DOE, other universities that conduct this sort of monitoring and have done so for Many years particularly in a state like California. So we feel very well prepared for complying with the permit requirements With an abundance of different emerging or existing technologies. Thank you. Speaker 900:49:29Great. Thanks a lot. Operator00:49:33And we have a follow-up from Scott Hanold from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:49:38Yes. Hey, thanks. Francisco, Real quick, you mentioned obviously on the shareholder return that you all are going to look at what creates most values for the shareholders. And Just some context, obviously, you've got the base dividend in there, but as you kind of step in and look at the buybacks, obviously, when you're Doing it before for the last year or so, I mean, doing it under $40 that was sort of a layup decision, right? Now, you're $10 to $15 per share Hi, Er. Speaker 400:50:07Like can you walk us through that thought process of from your on the allocation of shareholder returns, Like where does the stock price play into that and how do you think about like where it is today versus obviously where it had been over last year? Speaker 200:50:23Hey, Scott. Welcome back. So what's your price target, like 60? Speaker 700:50:28So, Speaker 200:50:32Absolutely. Yes. So we have the option to increase the dividend. We have the option to continue with buybacks. We also can look at the debt. Speaker 200:50:41All options are on the table. We like to be opportunistic because just like we did last quarter, We were able to buy shares at $0.39 And if you look at the history over the last 4, 5 months, I think we were able to pick a really good time to deploy the cash to buy the lowest average price for the share. That discretion, that ability to make a decision really comes from our returns oriented analysis, right? So we look at the opportunities in front of us and then we make Now what we even though there's discretion in the how we return cash to shareholders, We're very committed to the program and to return the highest amount of cash to the shareholders over the long run, right? So even though there may be some variability in the amounts in the quarter And the like, we do look at it actively and ultimately we're very committed. Speaker 200:51:35Now as a reminder, right, we didn't talk about it today, but we have the High yield indenture that ultimately governs our ability to distribute cash via either dividends or buybacks. And it's the last 12 months, 50% of net income calculation. So there is a oil price Or a commodity price component to it. If you're bringing in, you might have a period of very high prices at the moment, but you're bringing in Lower commodity prices from the last 12 months and that acts as a capping mechanism, right? So because we're dealing with those caps and you're dealing with discretion, It's very difficult to be more prescriptive, but very committed to returning as much cash to the shareholders as we can. Speaker 400:52:22No, that's helpful. And one real quick one for me just to close it out for me. Just on some of these greenfield projects that you all have CDMA's for, When you think about, obviously, your Class 6 permit, which is something you're working towards, but are there any other Like permits or approvals that we should be thinking about to get like a blue hydrogen or blue ammonia, renewable gasoline facility approved either at the state Or even at the current County Planning Commission, is there any specific approvals or legislation that govern some of that? Speaker 200:52:56Yes. No, so you need a conditional use permit. That's a critical local California permit. And that's doing in conjunction and working very closely with the Kern County Planning Commission. So those conversations are ongoing for the projects that are Like I said before, we're working on all those in parallel. Speaker 200:53:19It's nice to have the current accounting planning commission there because they All aspects of the energy spectrum, right. They're the ones that do the conditional use permits for oil and gas, But also for solar and wind projects. So it's a natural extension of what they do to look at the greenfield projects And be the group that oversees these permits. So that's one to look for and but like I said, we're working through it there, they're aware of our plans, Lockstep working with a lot of the same information that you send to the EPA, you have to provide locally. So that would be one to look for after we get the draft permit this year. Speaker 200:54:01We'll share more of the progress and the inner workings of the California approval. So that's the one I would highlight. Certainly, we're looking for the pipeline regulation to also be put into place in the near term. That's going to be criticalRead morePowered by