TSE:GEI Gibson Energy Q2 2023 Earnings Report C$22.73 -0.24 (-1.04%) As of 05/30/2025 04:00 PM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Gibson Energy EPS ResultsActual EPSC$0.37Consensus EPS C$0.38Beat/MissMissed by -C$0.01One Year Ago EPSN/AGibson Energy Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$2.61 billionExpected Revenue$2.45 billionBeat/MissBeat by +$166.33 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AGibson Energy Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date7/31/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, August 1, 2023Conference Call Time9:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Gibson Energy Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 1, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Morning, everyone, and welcome to the Gibson Energy Second Quarter 2023 Conference Call. Please be advised that this call is being recorded. And I would like to turn the meeting over to Beth Pollock, Vice President, Capital Markets and Risk. Ms. Pollock, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:16Thank you, Sylvie. Good morning and thank you for joining us on this conference call discussing our Q2 of 2023 financial and operational results. Speaking on the call this morning from Gibson Energy are Steve Spalding, President and Chief Executive Officer and Sean Brown, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We also have the rest of the senior management team in the room to help with questions and answers as required. Listeners are reminded that today's call refers to non GAAP measures and forward looking information. Speaker 100:00:48Descriptions and qualifications Such measures and information are set out in our continuous disclosure documents available on SEDAR. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Steve. Speaker 200:01:02Thanks, Beth. Good morning, everyone, and Speaker 300:01:04thank you for joining us today. Speaker 200:01:06We are pleased to have delivered not only another strong quarter From a financial and operational perspective, but also the acquisition of the South Texas Gateway Terminal And contracting of additional storage at our Edmonton terminal. The Gateway terminal is in Ingleside, Texas At the Port of Corpus Christi, Gateway is a world class Gulf Coast terminal, which complements and enhances our existing infrastructure position across North America, including Hardisty and Edmonton, and provides us with a new platform for growth connected to the prolific Permian Basin. The terminal is strategically advantaged As one of the only 2 terminals in Texas with the ability to load very large crude carriers, also known as VLCCs. Further, the cash flows associated with the asset are underpinned by take or pay contracts with investment grade or high quality counterparties, Many of whom Gibson have long standing relationships with. We are confident That moving forward, Gateway will serve as a platform for growth for Gibson and can be expanded upon to meet the growing needs Speaker 400:02:24of both Speaker 200:02:25new and existing customers. In the near term, we will be actively pursuing the sale of additional loading windows at the terminal, We will work with our customers to provide commercial opportunities to blend and extend their existing contracts. Additionally, post close, we'll seek to increase throughput and have the ability to add over 1,500,000 barrels of storage at the terminal to support our customers' requirements. We expect the acquisition will close in the very, very near term And are confident it will provide us with considerable growth opportunities in the future and look forward to becoming I'm welcoming our Gateway and its new employees into our portfolio. From a commercial perspective, during the Q2, We announced the expansion of our base infrastructure business with the sanctioning of 2 new tanks at Edmonton, Representing 870,000 barrels of new tankage, all of which are underpinned by a 15 year take or pay And stable fee pace contract. Speaker 200:03:34These two tanks are expected to be placed into service in late 2024. And along with another Edmonton tank being placed in service Q4 of this year, the new tankage will support our customers' shipments On the TMX pipeline and demonstrate the strength of our Edmonton franchise and the service offering we provide to our customers. Looking briefly at the financial results. Infrastructure adjusted EBITDA of $110,000,000 Before adjusting for that one time $17,000,000 environmental remediation provision, which is in line with the infrastructure performance for the Q1 of this year. During the Q2, marketing segment profit built on a strong first quarter results With adjusted EBITDA of $34,000,000 stronger than our previous $25,000,000 in guidance, primarily due to a strong quarter from the crude marketing and healthy contributions from our refined products. Speaker 200:04:41We continue to maintain our conservative financial profile with metrics aligned with our key governing financial principles. Distributable cash flow of $82,000,000 in the 2nd quarter resulted in a payout ratio of 55%, Significantly below the 70% to 80% target range. Leverage of 2.5 times Also below the target range of 3 to 3.5. Post the closing of the Gateway acquisition and the associated financing, Metrics will also remain within our target ranges. Before I hand the call over to Sean, I want to return to that environmental provision we recognized in the quarter. Speaker 200:05:26I would note this is related to a provision we took in 20 It does not represent a new environmental issue, but rather Gibson incurring additional Contractually obligated costs related to the Hardisty West partnership. Approximately half of this one time accrual will be paid In the Q3 of this year, with the remainder being ratably paid out with future obligations. As I stated in 2019, this is not something I would consider normal course or just part of operating a terminal. We placed significant importance in our asset integrity and loss prevention at our facilities. To close, with a strong quarter comprised of infrastructure results consistent with our Q1 results And marketing results ahead of our previous guidance. Speaker 200:06:23We are pleased to be off to a great start in 2023. We look forward to building upon the success in this quarter through the further solid performance from our existing business and through the anticipated closing of the South Texas Gateway acquisition. I will now turn the call over to Sean, who will walk us through Speaker 300:06:50Thank you, Steve. The 2nd quarter was very significant for our company. We are extremely pleased to announce the acquisition of the South Texas Gateway Terminal for US1 $100,000,000 To fund the acquisition, concurrent with the announcement, We successfully executed a $403,000,000 bought deal offering of subscription receipts, inclusive of the over allotment option. Subsequent to the quarter, we also closed a $900,000,000 offering of medium term notes as well as a $200,000,000 offering of hybrid securities. We are very happy with the outcome of all the Gateway financings. Speaker 300:07:33The subscription receipts were oversubscribed In what was otherwise a somewhat challenging equity market, the data offerings were also significantly oversubscribed With demand in excess of 4 times the aggregate offering size and all came in well inside of expected pricing. In addition, with the offerings, we have a well staggered debt maturity profile at attractive rates, And we're very happy to add a 30 year tenure to our capital structure, which we feel reflects investor confidence and the longevity of our entire business. With these financings, we are fully funded on a permanent basis, very much ahead of the expected acquisition closing date anticipated in the very near term. In addition, with the announcement of the U. S. Speaker 300:08:22Dollar acquisition In completion of the Canadian dollar financings, we immediately look to hedge any potential currency exposure and are pleased to have hedged 100% of the purchase price As we sit here today, with approximately 80% hedged at quarter end. From a pricing perspective, These hedges are in line or consistent with current market rates and well inside of what we had budgeted for the acquisition. With respect to the ongoing cash flows in the Gateway Terminal, we are mindful of the incremental U. S. Dollar currency exposure this creates And would note that while we have some natural hedges inherent in our existing business, we are actively working on a longer term strategy to mitigate risk in this regard. Speaker 300:09:08From a capital allocation perspective, given the recent equity offering, we would highlight that concurrent with the Gateway acquisition, We suspended the share buyback program for 2023. That being said, we will reassess share buybacks later in the year during the 2024 budgeting and planning process and remain firmly committed to our capital allocation philosophy over the long term. Turning to our existing business results. Infrastructure adjusted EBITDA of $110,000,000 this quarter Before adjusting for the one time $17,000,000 environmental remediation provision was in line with the Q1 of 2023. During this period, increased revenue at both Hardisty and Edmonton offset modestly higher operating expenses due primarily to higher power and utility costs. Speaker 300:10:03As we look forward to the second half of twenty twenty three, We expect the base infrastructure business to continue to demonstrate stable and consistent results. That being said, There are a couple of items that we could see impacting our Q3 results. From a nonrecurring perspective, we'll be performing integrity work At our frac plant at Hardisty and on the incoming gathering pipelines, which will impact our other Terminals and Pipelines division. In addition, given current market conditions and commodity prices as well as select maintenance work being completed during the quarter, We expect some sequential modest softness in this segment in general relative to last year. I would emphasize that this segment comprises only about 5% to the Infrastructure segment, so not overly impactful, but worth noting. Speaker 300:10:56Also, As anticipated, there are contracts that expired at the Unit Train facility at the end of June. Post this expiry, We would expect the cash flow from the unit train facility to stabilize as the majority of remaining revenue is derived from the DRU value chain. As stated previously, prior contract expiries at the Unitrain facility have been absorbed through growth in other parts of our infrastructure business, And we would expect the same to be the case here as we move into the Q4. In totality, We would expect the impact of the above items to be approximately $6,000,000 to $10,000,000 in the 3rd quarter. That being said, We expect that these factors will either be temporal or fully offset come the Q4 of 2023 when the new Edmonton tank comes online And the infrastructure business will return to its previous run rate of approximately $110,000,000 per quarter before taking into account the impact of the South Texas Gateway acquisition. Speaker 300:12:01Focusing on marketing segment results, adjusted EBITDA of $0.34 of the outlook we provided on the Q1 earnings call. Outperformance was largely driven by the emergence of time and quality based opportunities for crude marketing. The Refined Products division also had a robust quarter due to higher product margins. As we look forward to the Q3 for our marketing business, Our outlook is constructive with line of sight to opportunities related to both refined products and crude marketing. Our current expectation is that the marketing segment will generate adjusted EBITDA of $25,000,000 or higher during the upcoming quarter. Speaker 300:12:42I will now briefly touch on distributable cash flow. 2nd quarter distributable cash flow of $82,000,000 With an $8,000,000 increase from the Q2 of 2022, with the primary difference attributable to the higher marketing performance as previously discussed, With smaller positive drivers being modest decreases in both lease payments and current income tax, partially offset by Slight increases in both maintenance capital and cash interest. With the benefit of another solid quarter, We maintain our strong financial position as we exit Q2. The payout ratio of 55% It's well below the bottom end of our 70% to 80% target range. Debt to adjusted EBITDA of 2.5 times It's also well under our 3 to 3.5 times target. Speaker 300:13:35We also continue to monitor our leverage and payout ratios on an infrastructure only basis. In this regard, our leverage of 3.7 times and our payout ratio of approximately 74% Are both beneath the less than 4 times and less than 100% targets, respectively. Looking at our financial position, pro form a the Gateway acquisition and associated financings metrics are also comfortably within Our key governing financial principles. In summary, we are very pleased with our financial milestones and solid financial results in the Q2 of We announced the U. S. Speaker 300:14:16Dollars 1,100,000,000 South Texas Gateway acquisition and fully financed the purchase price With a combination of subscription receipts, medium term notes and hybrid securities, we achieved infrastructure results On a recurring basis, in line with our run rate of the past few quarters, and we maintained positive marketing performance and momentum. While we expect some temporary softness in the Q3, we are optimistic around our outlook for the remainder of 2023. In particular, as we look to close the South Texas Gateway acquisition and also as we bring online our first TMX tank at Edmonton. So with this, I will now turn the call over to the operator, who will open up the line for questions. Operator? Operator00:15:04Thank And your first question will be from Jeremy Tonet at JPMorgan. Speaker 500:15:33Hi, good morning. Speaker 200:15:35Good morning, Jeremy. Speaker 500:15:38Just wanted to start off on South Texas, if I could, and wanted to see if Appreciating that the deal is not closed yet and so it must be somewhat limited what you could say. But just wondering if you could Tell us a bit more, I guess, on the strategy for this as a platform, talk about incremental storage needs there. But just wondering, Is there the potential for further integration of that asset or just any other color that you could provide longer term on how you see that platform evolving? Speaker 200:16:09Thank you for the question, Jeremy. So when we look at the asset, we think there's opportunities to Optimize loading windows and increase the number the throughput through the terminal on a long term basis. And so Our primary focus in the next year and a half will be to optimize those windows and also To extend the existing contracts. As far as integration with other Assets, it's not integrated with our Canadian assets, although the customers there, all the customers at the facility currently are Customers of us up at Hardisty. Speaker 500:16:55Got it. That's helpful. Thanks. And then pivoting towards Edmonton, just wondering if you might provide a bit more color on overall, I guess, Customer appetite for storage and how you see commercial discussions progressing at this point ahead of Speaker 200:17:16Well, just like Sean talked on the call, We do have the one tank that we're going to put in service next quarter, and then the 2 that are under construction, which are the 15 year contracts. We are continuing to talk to another customer, but I don't see that happening anytime in the near future. I think what we're going to need to really see to expand our storage footprint there is really TMX coming online and the customers seeing the need for that. Most of our growth opportunities at Edmonton are going to be around the actual rail infrastructure that we have there. We have 115 rail loading and unloading spots there, which are all manifest. Speaker 200:18:02And so Where most of the opportunities currently are in really the new fuels, right? So the and the blending. So potentially HRD additional HRD blending, potentially feedstocks, renewable feedstocks to those refineries, those are the biggest Discussions we're having right now. Speaker 500:18:27Got it. That's very helpful. I'll leave it there. Thanks. Thank you. Operator00:18:33Next question will be from Linda Ezergailis at TD Securities. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:18:39Thank you. I'm just wondering how the Board might be contemplating balancing, reflecting the organic growth you've teed up And the acquisitive growth and accretion you've teed up in your dividend policy versus balancing some of the uncertainty around recontracting And the extent you can extend contracts, can you give us an update as to how if the dividend might increase Annually prospectively or maybe as new facilities prove themselves out And how does the Board think about sustainable growth in the dividend versus sustainable levels of the dividend? Speaker 300:19:24Thanks, Linda. It's Sean here. I'll take that. I mean, as you know, it is a Board decision. And As always, the dividend is something that we consider with our annual results. Speaker 300:19:35And so we'll continue to do that. So after We announced our year end results in February. That's when we make decisions with respect to potentially increasing our dividend. What I would say as it relates to philosophy though, really not much has changed. I think we all and And the Board would be included, believe in steady, modest annual dividend growth. Speaker 300:20:01That certainly does not change with the acquisition of the Texas Gateway Terminal. If you think, I'd say, if anything, the questions we've been getting have been more to the tune of will you increase your dividend at a faster rate, Given that, as we sit here right now, we've got circa mid-50s payout ratio. So if anything, I'd say that the Gateway acquisition just gives us more confidence And the longevity of that steady annual dividend increase, but again, I can't necessarily speak for the Board. Speaker 600:20:34Okay. Thank you. And can you just give us an update as well as to All the ways you expect the completion of Trans Mountain to impact your business beyond just Tank and terminal demand, specifically maybe on your marketing business, how we might think of What opportunities might arise? What else might dissipate? Or is there just uncertainty as to how the markets will settle out? Speaker 200:21:08Yes. Thanks for that question, Linda. I'll have Kyle answer that. Speaker 700:21:12Yes. Thanks, Linda. I think We're going to approach it the same as we do now at Hardisty. I mean, as Steve said, things need to it needs to come into service and we need to see the impacts of that. I mean, like Our customers getting set up for having Tankage in place to deal with the flows and the operations and the start up there, We'll be positioned to do the same thing and approach that either through our Edmonton tankage or our Hardisty tankage. Speaker 700:21:41So I think The approach will be very much the same that we have today. And in the event that there's ways we can help our customers get their barrels to market, whether that's through additional tankage or Marketing services, I mean, I think that's how I'd see us participating more. Speaker 600:21:58Thank you. I'll jump back in the queue. Operator00:22:02Thank you. Next question will be from Rob Hope at Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:22:08Good morning, everyone. Steve, previously you've spoken about increasing the business development activities of the or capabilities of the business, Especially with a focus on energy transition. With ST GT in the fold now, how do you think about the business development capabilities Of the organization and do you need to put a new arm kind of with a real focus on export capabilities? Speaker 200:22:33Good morning, Rob. Thank you for that question. So one of the good things about the acquisition is we have been able to Bring on board all of the operations team. So we're excited about that, but also we've been able to bring on board Some of the commercials, which is going to really help us really step 1 on As far as our knowledge in developing that asset. But I would say we continue we have shifted that search Probably to Houston because we think there's more opportunities in the U. Speaker 200:23:13S. Right now in the liquid infrastructure. That search has been focused there. And then Kyle and I will be Focusing more on the U. S. Speaker 200:23:27Business going forward. Speaker 800:23:31All right. Appreciate that. And then just maybe as a follow-up on STGT. So in your prepared remarks, you mentioned over the next, we'll call it, year and a half, the real focus is Improving or increasing volumes through that facility. When do you think new capital will have to be invested in that facility in a meaningful manner? Speaker 800:23:50Or is that still a ways out and right now the real focus is just improving returns on existing capital there? Speaker 200:23:57That's a great question and actually one the Board asked just yesterday. So I would say it really As we really start to develop our relationships and start to understand the needs of our customers there, I could see us spending capital or initiating capital next year or in the early part Speaker 400:24:19of next Speaker 200:24:19year, probably not Significant capital, but some capital. We have some additional tankage that we can potentially build out in the future. And There's some additional connectivity that we want to do. All right. Speaker 800:24:35Appreciate the color. Thank you. Operator00:24:38Thank you. Next question will be from Robert Catellier at CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:24:45Hi. Just to follow-up on Linda's question on TMX. I have the same question, but as it relates to the Enbridge mainline deal. So how has producer Behavior changed as a result of that new agreement, understanding that it's only in its infancy. So what are the practical implications been for your marketing I'll look at other aspects of your operations. Speaker 700:25:08Hey, Robert, it's Kyle here. I would say that As far as behavior, I wouldn't say anything has changed. I think that the industry's role is happening moving forward on a path there at an agreement that works for sort of both parties. Well, yes, I wouldn't say that there's any change in behavior or how the market is moving barrels or what they're planning on doing. I think it's Success because it's more of a business as usual setup. Speaker 400:25:35Okay. And then I wonder, Steve, if you could delineate the headwinds in Q3 between The contract expiries and the other operational items you mentioned, so what's at risk in terms of the contract expirations? Speaker 200:25:53Yes, I'll let Sean answer that. Speaker 300:25:55Yes, yes. Thanks, Rob. So, as I said in my prepared remarks, $6,000,000 to $10,000,000 potentially. I mean just to provide a bit of granularity into that. As we talked about, there's some maintenance and integrity work In around the frac plant in the incoming pipelines, we estimate that will be approximately $3,000,000 So clearly non recurring in nature. Speaker 300:26:18About $3,000,000 of that is from the unit train expiring. So as we look at it, we see $6,000,000 Speaker 200:26:27What we would call softness Speaker 300:26:28in the Q3 that we know is there. Then beyond that, I'd say even since we drafted the We probably have a bit more bullishness in around sort of the other softness we may have otherwise seen. So when we had given that 6% to 10% range, it was just sort of general market activity and that would have been that 0% to 4%. And I'd say as we sit here today, Again, even from when we drafted the script, we probably see that being relatively muted versus even a couple of weeks ago. Speaker 400:27:01Okay. That's helpful. And then as you're aware, your partner USD is having a little bit of difficulty, it seems. I think there's a going concern clause in their statements. So how do your commercial arrangements respond in the event that they have to file for creditor protection? Speaker 400:27:16And What impacts would that have on operations and cash flow? Speaker 200:27:23We'll let John Wilson answer that. Speaker 900:27:25Yes. I'll touch on the contract side and then I'll let Ron talk on the cash flow. The way we structured our DRU Especially considering the differences in counterparty size, creditworthiness, etcetera, was to make sure we've got step in rights and ability to kind of work with Any creditors that would actually step into a situation where we want to partner with somebody. So again, we've got step in rights there to Any issues like that? And then just on the cash flow, Nate Brown, you want to Speaker 200:27:55talk about that? Yes. Speaker 300:27:56I mean, at the end of the day, The unit train facility still has real value. We're moving DRU volumes through it. We're moving actually modest other volumes through it. We certainly We'd expect and hope that our partners USD will continue to operate it. But in the if for some reason that was not the case, We would expect that that facility would continue to operate, whether it's under the purview of USD or whomever it may be, And it will continue the cash flow. Speaker 300:28:27So we are comfortable with the situation as it relates to it. There still remains real value. If you think of it, the unit facility, probably most notably through the GRU value chain, but there is still other modest volumes that are actually moving through that facility right now as well. Speaker 400:28:46Okay. That's helpful. And just one last quick one for me. Just on the hedging of the cash flow from the South Gateway Terminal. Are you where's your head in terms of how much you might want to hedge there from the recurring cash flow? Speaker 400:29:03Are you in the 50 Range or is it something higher? Speaker 300:29:08Rob, we're still working through that right now. If you think about So the expectations for currency through the remainder of the year, it's actually fair with an eye from an exchange rate perspective. We're We're going to use FX forwards to convert the USD to CAD? Are we going to do a cross currency swapping around some of our debt To enable payment in U. S. Speaker 300:29:30Dollar cash flows, we will, very likely hedge a portion of that. But I mean, I think it'd be a bit premature right now to Put out a 50% marker or something greater than that. It's something we're actively working on. We discussed it with the Board yesterday and are very live to it. Speaker 400:29:48Okay. Thanks very much. Speaker 300:29:51Thank you. Operator00:29:59And your next question will be from Robert Kwan at RBC Capital Markets. Speaker 1000:30:05Good morning. Just on M and A strategy, so I know that South Texas Gateway was just announced, but You're always evaluating, I'm sure, but does South Texas Gateway provide you a platform For you to focus a little bit more on organic growth, just some of the comments you've made in prior quarters about maybe more aggressively pursuing M and A, are you still In the market, you see a number of deals that may come to fruition here over the next year to 18 months? Speaker 200:30:39So yes, I mean our first focus is really going to be optimizing that terminal with very little to no capital at Right. There is potential capital in that terminal down the road. But I would say, it does give us a platform On the Gulf Coast there in Corpus, and we will start to look and see if and develop Opportunities and look for opportunities down the road that synergize with that asset. So Sean? Speaker 300:31:08Yes. No, I think as Steve has said previously, Rob, I mean, it's really an opportunity driven business. So I mean, our focus will be and will continue to be on organic growth capital. That has not changed. And I think with South Texas, it certainly opens up the availability of our ability to deploy organic growth capital. Speaker 300:31:28That was one of the rationales for the transaction. That being said, if M and A opportunity presented itself and it made absolute strategic sense for the company, We would have to evaluate it as well. But as we said previously, we've been looking for a number of years here and said Texas just surfaced now. So Is it likely to happen? Probably not, but you never know. Speaker 300:31:49But again, focus certainly is and will remain on organic growth capital and around our existing assets in a similar As we've deployed previously and with the acquisition of a third platform with South Texas, the ability to source that organic growth capital Can only go up. Speaker 1000:32:08Got it. And just around South Texas specifically, you've talked about some of the organic opportunities. Speaker 300:32:15As you Speaker 1000:32:16were thinking about the thesis of for the investment, how much were follow on Kind of bolt on or tuck in M and A deals to either increase connectivity or just build out infrastructure around that terminal part of The plan going in? Speaker 300:32:36I would say with respect to the specific underwrite, very little. It's We did not take to the Board, for example, and say, for this to be successful, we need to vertically integrate through M and A. I mean, what the nice thing is, it does create some optionality around that and potentially could create opportunities. But from a Underwriting the transaction perspective, additional M and A was certainly not part of the core That would be more upside to what we contemplated. It's really the core asset, the core customers, the facility, the macro fundamentals behind it, And the 3rd platform for growth, really all of the benefits we've talked about numerous times since the acquisition was announced. Speaker 1000:33:22Got it. And if I can just finish just on the provision. Can I just confirm that the half Of that, that you expect to incur in the 3rd quarter is half of the 17, not half of the 17 plus the 15 in 2019 provision? Speaker 300:33:39Yes, that's correct. Okay. Speaker 1000:33:41And then I guess in 2019, there was also some thought that you had a claim against The neighboring operator, because you didn't think it was a product you'd ever handle, just how did that play out? Or is that still to play out? Speaker 300:34:01We have that's been negotiated as we sit here today. And so the remediation as you think about it, this is not incremental remediation. This is remediation that was already ongoing. As we think of it, that specific claim, we're handling the remediation as it relates to anything on our property. The adjacent operator would handle anything that it relates to their property. Speaker 1000:34:29Okay. So, this 17 is Essentially or not, this is what's on your property, but you're seeing some ongoing remediation. So has some of that $17,000,000 already been spent? Speaker 200:34:41Yes. Half of that $17,000,000 has already been spent. This is just a reallocation of the expenses with our partner there. Speaker 1000:34:49Okay. So half has already been spent, half of it's going to be incurred this quarter and then nothing after Q3? Speaker 200:34:56No, it's future, right? So half has been spent and then the other half is all of our future obligations, right? So the incremental future obligations over the next 10 to 15 years. Speaker 300:35:08Okay. That's great. Thank you. Operator00:35:11Thank you. And at this time, I would like to hand the call back to Beth for final remarks. Speaker 100:35:23Thank you. And thank you for joining us for our 2023 Second Quarter Conference Call. Again, I would like to note that we have made available certain supplementary information on our website, gibsonenergy.com. If you do have any further questions, please reach out at investor. Relationsgibsonenergy.com. Operator00:35:42Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does indeed conclude your conference call for today. Once again, thank you for attending. And at this time, we do ask that you please disconnect your lines. Have a good day.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Gibson is set to close the US$1 billion acquisition of the South Texas Gateway Terminal, a VLCC-capable facility at Corpus Christi underpinned by long-term take-or-pay contracts, and plans to sell additional loading windows and add over 1.5 million barrels of storage to drive future growth. The company sanctioned two new 870,000-barrel tanks at its Edmonton terminal under 15-year take-or-pay agreements, expected in service late 2024 (with another tank online in Q4 2023), to support TMX pipeline volumes and strengthen its Edmonton franchise. In Q2, Infrastructure adjusted EBITDA was C$110 million (ex-one-time C$17 million environmental provision) and Marketing adjusted EBITDA was C$34 million—beating guidance—with distributable cash flow of C$82 million, a 55% payout ratio, and 2.5× leverage, all well below target ranges. The C$17 million environmental remediation provision relates to additional obligations from the Hardisty West partnership (not a new spill), with half already spent and the balance paid over future quarters as part of ongoing site work. Gibson fully funded the Gateway purchase through a C$403 million equity offering, US$900 million medium-term notes and US$200 million hybrids (all oversubscribed), has hedged 100% of the purchase price, and has suspended share buybacks for 2023 while maintaining its dividend and leverage targets. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallGibson Energy Q2 202300:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2x Earnings DocumentsSlide DeckInterim report Gibson Energy Earnings HeadlinesGibson Energy Inc. 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It operates through Infrastructure and Marketing segments. The Infrastructure segment operates a network of liquid infrastructure assets that include oil terminals, rail loading and unloading facilities, gathering pipelines, a crude oil processing facility, and other terminals. The Marketing segment purchases, sells, stores, and optimizes hydrocarbon products, including crude oil, natural gas liquids, road asphalt, roofing flux, frac oils, light and heavy straight run distillates, vacuum gas oil, and an oil-based mud product. It serves producers, refiners, marketers, and integrated companies, as well as exploration and production companies. The company was formerly known as Gibson Energy Holdings ULC and changed its name to Gibson Energy Inc. in April 2011. 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There are 11 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Morning, everyone, and welcome to the Gibson Energy Second Quarter 2023 Conference Call. Please be advised that this call is being recorded. And I would like to turn the meeting over to Beth Pollock, Vice President, Capital Markets and Risk. Ms. Pollock, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:16Thank you, Sylvie. Good morning and thank you for joining us on this conference call discussing our Q2 of 2023 financial and operational results. Speaking on the call this morning from Gibson Energy are Steve Spalding, President and Chief Executive Officer and Sean Brown, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We also have the rest of the senior management team in the room to help with questions and answers as required. Listeners are reminded that today's call refers to non GAAP measures and forward looking information. Speaker 100:00:48Descriptions and qualifications Such measures and information are set out in our continuous disclosure documents available on SEDAR. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Steve. Speaker 200:01:02Thanks, Beth. Good morning, everyone, and Speaker 300:01:04thank you for joining us today. Speaker 200:01:06We are pleased to have delivered not only another strong quarter From a financial and operational perspective, but also the acquisition of the South Texas Gateway Terminal And contracting of additional storage at our Edmonton terminal. The Gateway terminal is in Ingleside, Texas At the Port of Corpus Christi, Gateway is a world class Gulf Coast terminal, which complements and enhances our existing infrastructure position across North America, including Hardisty and Edmonton, and provides us with a new platform for growth connected to the prolific Permian Basin. The terminal is strategically advantaged As one of the only 2 terminals in Texas with the ability to load very large crude carriers, also known as VLCCs. Further, the cash flows associated with the asset are underpinned by take or pay contracts with investment grade or high quality counterparties, Many of whom Gibson have long standing relationships with. We are confident That moving forward, Gateway will serve as a platform for growth for Gibson and can be expanded upon to meet the growing needs Speaker 400:02:24of both Speaker 200:02:25new and existing customers. In the near term, we will be actively pursuing the sale of additional loading windows at the terminal, We will work with our customers to provide commercial opportunities to blend and extend their existing contracts. Additionally, post close, we'll seek to increase throughput and have the ability to add over 1,500,000 barrels of storage at the terminal to support our customers' requirements. We expect the acquisition will close in the very, very near term And are confident it will provide us with considerable growth opportunities in the future and look forward to becoming I'm welcoming our Gateway and its new employees into our portfolio. From a commercial perspective, during the Q2, We announced the expansion of our base infrastructure business with the sanctioning of 2 new tanks at Edmonton, Representing 870,000 barrels of new tankage, all of which are underpinned by a 15 year take or pay And stable fee pace contract. Speaker 200:03:34These two tanks are expected to be placed into service in late 2024. And along with another Edmonton tank being placed in service Q4 of this year, the new tankage will support our customers' shipments On the TMX pipeline and demonstrate the strength of our Edmonton franchise and the service offering we provide to our customers. Looking briefly at the financial results. Infrastructure adjusted EBITDA of $110,000,000 Before adjusting for that one time $17,000,000 environmental remediation provision, which is in line with the infrastructure performance for the Q1 of this year. During the Q2, marketing segment profit built on a strong first quarter results With adjusted EBITDA of $34,000,000 stronger than our previous $25,000,000 in guidance, primarily due to a strong quarter from the crude marketing and healthy contributions from our refined products. Speaker 200:04:41We continue to maintain our conservative financial profile with metrics aligned with our key governing financial principles. Distributable cash flow of $82,000,000 in the 2nd quarter resulted in a payout ratio of 55%, Significantly below the 70% to 80% target range. Leverage of 2.5 times Also below the target range of 3 to 3.5. Post the closing of the Gateway acquisition and the associated financing, Metrics will also remain within our target ranges. Before I hand the call over to Sean, I want to return to that environmental provision we recognized in the quarter. Speaker 200:05:26I would note this is related to a provision we took in 20 It does not represent a new environmental issue, but rather Gibson incurring additional Contractually obligated costs related to the Hardisty West partnership. Approximately half of this one time accrual will be paid In the Q3 of this year, with the remainder being ratably paid out with future obligations. As I stated in 2019, this is not something I would consider normal course or just part of operating a terminal. We placed significant importance in our asset integrity and loss prevention at our facilities. To close, with a strong quarter comprised of infrastructure results consistent with our Q1 results And marketing results ahead of our previous guidance. Speaker 200:06:23We are pleased to be off to a great start in 2023. We look forward to building upon the success in this quarter through the further solid performance from our existing business and through the anticipated closing of the South Texas Gateway acquisition. I will now turn the call over to Sean, who will walk us through Speaker 300:06:50Thank you, Steve. The 2nd quarter was very significant for our company. We are extremely pleased to announce the acquisition of the South Texas Gateway Terminal for US1 $100,000,000 To fund the acquisition, concurrent with the announcement, We successfully executed a $403,000,000 bought deal offering of subscription receipts, inclusive of the over allotment option. Subsequent to the quarter, we also closed a $900,000,000 offering of medium term notes as well as a $200,000,000 offering of hybrid securities. We are very happy with the outcome of all the Gateway financings. Speaker 300:07:33The subscription receipts were oversubscribed In what was otherwise a somewhat challenging equity market, the data offerings were also significantly oversubscribed With demand in excess of 4 times the aggregate offering size and all came in well inside of expected pricing. In addition, with the offerings, we have a well staggered debt maturity profile at attractive rates, And we're very happy to add a 30 year tenure to our capital structure, which we feel reflects investor confidence and the longevity of our entire business. With these financings, we are fully funded on a permanent basis, very much ahead of the expected acquisition closing date anticipated in the very near term. In addition, with the announcement of the U. S. Speaker 300:08:22Dollar acquisition In completion of the Canadian dollar financings, we immediately look to hedge any potential currency exposure and are pleased to have hedged 100% of the purchase price As we sit here today, with approximately 80% hedged at quarter end. From a pricing perspective, These hedges are in line or consistent with current market rates and well inside of what we had budgeted for the acquisition. With respect to the ongoing cash flows in the Gateway Terminal, we are mindful of the incremental U. S. Dollar currency exposure this creates And would note that while we have some natural hedges inherent in our existing business, we are actively working on a longer term strategy to mitigate risk in this regard. Speaker 300:09:08From a capital allocation perspective, given the recent equity offering, we would highlight that concurrent with the Gateway acquisition, We suspended the share buyback program for 2023. That being said, we will reassess share buybacks later in the year during the 2024 budgeting and planning process and remain firmly committed to our capital allocation philosophy over the long term. Turning to our existing business results. Infrastructure adjusted EBITDA of $110,000,000 this quarter Before adjusting for the one time $17,000,000 environmental remediation provision was in line with the Q1 of 2023. During this period, increased revenue at both Hardisty and Edmonton offset modestly higher operating expenses due primarily to higher power and utility costs. Speaker 300:10:03As we look forward to the second half of twenty twenty three, We expect the base infrastructure business to continue to demonstrate stable and consistent results. That being said, There are a couple of items that we could see impacting our Q3 results. From a nonrecurring perspective, we'll be performing integrity work At our frac plant at Hardisty and on the incoming gathering pipelines, which will impact our other Terminals and Pipelines division. In addition, given current market conditions and commodity prices as well as select maintenance work being completed during the quarter, We expect some sequential modest softness in this segment in general relative to last year. I would emphasize that this segment comprises only about 5% to the Infrastructure segment, so not overly impactful, but worth noting. Speaker 300:10:56Also, As anticipated, there are contracts that expired at the Unit Train facility at the end of June. Post this expiry, We would expect the cash flow from the unit train facility to stabilize as the majority of remaining revenue is derived from the DRU value chain. As stated previously, prior contract expiries at the Unitrain facility have been absorbed through growth in other parts of our infrastructure business, And we would expect the same to be the case here as we move into the Q4. In totality, We would expect the impact of the above items to be approximately $6,000,000 to $10,000,000 in the 3rd quarter. That being said, We expect that these factors will either be temporal or fully offset come the Q4 of 2023 when the new Edmonton tank comes online And the infrastructure business will return to its previous run rate of approximately $110,000,000 per quarter before taking into account the impact of the South Texas Gateway acquisition. Speaker 300:12:01Focusing on marketing segment results, adjusted EBITDA of $0.34 of the outlook we provided on the Q1 earnings call. Outperformance was largely driven by the emergence of time and quality based opportunities for crude marketing. The Refined Products division also had a robust quarter due to higher product margins. As we look forward to the Q3 for our marketing business, Our outlook is constructive with line of sight to opportunities related to both refined products and crude marketing. Our current expectation is that the marketing segment will generate adjusted EBITDA of $25,000,000 or higher during the upcoming quarter. Speaker 300:12:42I will now briefly touch on distributable cash flow. 2nd quarter distributable cash flow of $82,000,000 With an $8,000,000 increase from the Q2 of 2022, with the primary difference attributable to the higher marketing performance as previously discussed, With smaller positive drivers being modest decreases in both lease payments and current income tax, partially offset by Slight increases in both maintenance capital and cash interest. With the benefit of another solid quarter, We maintain our strong financial position as we exit Q2. The payout ratio of 55% It's well below the bottom end of our 70% to 80% target range. Debt to adjusted EBITDA of 2.5 times It's also well under our 3 to 3.5 times target. Speaker 300:13:35We also continue to monitor our leverage and payout ratios on an infrastructure only basis. In this regard, our leverage of 3.7 times and our payout ratio of approximately 74% Are both beneath the less than 4 times and less than 100% targets, respectively. Looking at our financial position, pro form a the Gateway acquisition and associated financings metrics are also comfortably within Our key governing financial principles. In summary, we are very pleased with our financial milestones and solid financial results in the Q2 of We announced the U. S. Speaker 300:14:16Dollars 1,100,000,000 South Texas Gateway acquisition and fully financed the purchase price With a combination of subscription receipts, medium term notes and hybrid securities, we achieved infrastructure results On a recurring basis, in line with our run rate of the past few quarters, and we maintained positive marketing performance and momentum. While we expect some temporary softness in the Q3, we are optimistic around our outlook for the remainder of 2023. In particular, as we look to close the South Texas Gateway acquisition and also as we bring online our first TMX tank at Edmonton. So with this, I will now turn the call over to the operator, who will open up the line for questions. Operator? Operator00:15:04Thank And your first question will be from Jeremy Tonet at JPMorgan. Speaker 500:15:33Hi, good morning. Speaker 200:15:35Good morning, Jeremy. Speaker 500:15:38Just wanted to start off on South Texas, if I could, and wanted to see if Appreciating that the deal is not closed yet and so it must be somewhat limited what you could say. But just wondering if you could Tell us a bit more, I guess, on the strategy for this as a platform, talk about incremental storage needs there. But just wondering, Is there the potential for further integration of that asset or just any other color that you could provide longer term on how you see that platform evolving? Speaker 200:16:09Thank you for the question, Jeremy. So when we look at the asset, we think there's opportunities to Optimize loading windows and increase the number the throughput through the terminal on a long term basis. And so Our primary focus in the next year and a half will be to optimize those windows and also To extend the existing contracts. As far as integration with other Assets, it's not integrated with our Canadian assets, although the customers there, all the customers at the facility currently are Customers of us up at Hardisty. Speaker 500:16:55Got it. That's helpful. Thanks. And then pivoting towards Edmonton, just wondering if you might provide a bit more color on overall, I guess, Customer appetite for storage and how you see commercial discussions progressing at this point ahead of Speaker 200:17:16Well, just like Sean talked on the call, We do have the one tank that we're going to put in service next quarter, and then the 2 that are under construction, which are the 15 year contracts. We are continuing to talk to another customer, but I don't see that happening anytime in the near future. I think what we're going to need to really see to expand our storage footprint there is really TMX coming online and the customers seeing the need for that. Most of our growth opportunities at Edmonton are going to be around the actual rail infrastructure that we have there. We have 115 rail loading and unloading spots there, which are all manifest. Speaker 200:18:02And so Where most of the opportunities currently are in really the new fuels, right? So the and the blending. So potentially HRD additional HRD blending, potentially feedstocks, renewable feedstocks to those refineries, those are the biggest Discussions we're having right now. Speaker 500:18:27Got it. That's very helpful. I'll leave it there. Thanks. Thank you. Operator00:18:33Next question will be from Linda Ezergailis at TD Securities. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:18:39Thank you. I'm just wondering how the Board might be contemplating balancing, reflecting the organic growth you've teed up And the acquisitive growth and accretion you've teed up in your dividend policy versus balancing some of the uncertainty around recontracting And the extent you can extend contracts, can you give us an update as to how if the dividend might increase Annually prospectively or maybe as new facilities prove themselves out And how does the Board think about sustainable growth in the dividend versus sustainable levels of the dividend? Speaker 300:19:24Thanks, Linda. It's Sean here. I'll take that. I mean, as you know, it is a Board decision. And As always, the dividend is something that we consider with our annual results. Speaker 300:19:35And so we'll continue to do that. So after We announced our year end results in February. That's when we make decisions with respect to potentially increasing our dividend. What I would say as it relates to philosophy though, really not much has changed. I think we all and And the Board would be included, believe in steady, modest annual dividend growth. Speaker 300:20:01That certainly does not change with the acquisition of the Texas Gateway Terminal. If you think, I'd say, if anything, the questions we've been getting have been more to the tune of will you increase your dividend at a faster rate, Given that, as we sit here right now, we've got circa mid-50s payout ratio. So if anything, I'd say that the Gateway acquisition just gives us more confidence And the longevity of that steady annual dividend increase, but again, I can't necessarily speak for the Board. Speaker 600:20:34Okay. Thank you. And can you just give us an update as well as to All the ways you expect the completion of Trans Mountain to impact your business beyond just Tank and terminal demand, specifically maybe on your marketing business, how we might think of What opportunities might arise? What else might dissipate? Or is there just uncertainty as to how the markets will settle out? Speaker 200:21:08Yes. Thanks for that question, Linda. I'll have Kyle answer that. Speaker 700:21:12Yes. Thanks, Linda. I think We're going to approach it the same as we do now at Hardisty. I mean, as Steve said, things need to it needs to come into service and we need to see the impacts of that. I mean, like Our customers getting set up for having Tankage in place to deal with the flows and the operations and the start up there, We'll be positioned to do the same thing and approach that either through our Edmonton tankage or our Hardisty tankage. Speaker 700:21:41So I think The approach will be very much the same that we have today. And in the event that there's ways we can help our customers get their barrels to market, whether that's through additional tankage or Marketing services, I mean, I think that's how I'd see us participating more. Speaker 600:21:58Thank you. I'll jump back in the queue. Operator00:22:02Thank you. Next question will be from Rob Hope at Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:22:08Good morning, everyone. Steve, previously you've spoken about increasing the business development activities of the or capabilities of the business, Especially with a focus on energy transition. With ST GT in the fold now, how do you think about the business development capabilities Of the organization and do you need to put a new arm kind of with a real focus on export capabilities? Speaker 200:22:33Good morning, Rob. Thank you for that question. So one of the good things about the acquisition is we have been able to Bring on board all of the operations team. So we're excited about that, but also we've been able to bring on board Some of the commercials, which is going to really help us really step 1 on As far as our knowledge in developing that asset. But I would say we continue we have shifted that search Probably to Houston because we think there's more opportunities in the U. Speaker 200:23:13S. Right now in the liquid infrastructure. That search has been focused there. And then Kyle and I will be Focusing more on the U. S. Speaker 200:23:27Business going forward. Speaker 800:23:31All right. Appreciate that. And then just maybe as a follow-up on STGT. So in your prepared remarks, you mentioned over the next, we'll call it, year and a half, the real focus is Improving or increasing volumes through that facility. When do you think new capital will have to be invested in that facility in a meaningful manner? Speaker 800:23:50Or is that still a ways out and right now the real focus is just improving returns on existing capital there? Speaker 200:23:57That's a great question and actually one the Board asked just yesterday. So I would say it really As we really start to develop our relationships and start to understand the needs of our customers there, I could see us spending capital or initiating capital next year or in the early part Speaker 400:24:19of next Speaker 200:24:19year, probably not Significant capital, but some capital. We have some additional tankage that we can potentially build out in the future. And There's some additional connectivity that we want to do. All right. Speaker 800:24:35Appreciate the color. Thank you. Operator00:24:38Thank you. Next question will be from Robert Catellier at CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:24:45Hi. Just to follow-up on Linda's question on TMX. I have the same question, but as it relates to the Enbridge mainline deal. So how has producer Behavior changed as a result of that new agreement, understanding that it's only in its infancy. So what are the practical implications been for your marketing I'll look at other aspects of your operations. Speaker 700:25:08Hey, Robert, it's Kyle here. I would say that As far as behavior, I wouldn't say anything has changed. I think that the industry's role is happening moving forward on a path there at an agreement that works for sort of both parties. Well, yes, I wouldn't say that there's any change in behavior or how the market is moving barrels or what they're planning on doing. I think it's Success because it's more of a business as usual setup. Speaker 400:25:35Okay. And then I wonder, Steve, if you could delineate the headwinds in Q3 between The contract expiries and the other operational items you mentioned, so what's at risk in terms of the contract expirations? Speaker 200:25:53Yes, I'll let Sean answer that. Speaker 300:25:55Yes, yes. Thanks, Rob. So, as I said in my prepared remarks, $6,000,000 to $10,000,000 potentially. I mean just to provide a bit of granularity into that. As we talked about, there's some maintenance and integrity work In around the frac plant in the incoming pipelines, we estimate that will be approximately $3,000,000 So clearly non recurring in nature. Speaker 300:26:18About $3,000,000 of that is from the unit train expiring. So as we look at it, we see $6,000,000 Speaker 200:26:27What we would call softness Speaker 300:26:28in the Q3 that we know is there. Then beyond that, I'd say even since we drafted the We probably have a bit more bullishness in around sort of the other softness we may have otherwise seen. So when we had given that 6% to 10% range, it was just sort of general market activity and that would have been that 0% to 4%. And I'd say as we sit here today, Again, even from when we drafted the script, we probably see that being relatively muted versus even a couple of weeks ago. Speaker 400:27:01Okay. That's helpful. And then as you're aware, your partner USD is having a little bit of difficulty, it seems. I think there's a going concern clause in their statements. So how do your commercial arrangements respond in the event that they have to file for creditor protection? Speaker 400:27:16And What impacts would that have on operations and cash flow? Speaker 200:27:23We'll let John Wilson answer that. Speaker 900:27:25Yes. I'll touch on the contract side and then I'll let Ron talk on the cash flow. The way we structured our DRU Especially considering the differences in counterparty size, creditworthiness, etcetera, was to make sure we've got step in rights and ability to kind of work with Any creditors that would actually step into a situation where we want to partner with somebody. So again, we've got step in rights there to Any issues like that? And then just on the cash flow, Nate Brown, you want to Speaker 200:27:55talk about that? Yes. Speaker 300:27:56I mean, at the end of the day, The unit train facility still has real value. We're moving DRU volumes through it. We're moving actually modest other volumes through it. We certainly We'd expect and hope that our partners USD will continue to operate it. But in the if for some reason that was not the case, We would expect that that facility would continue to operate, whether it's under the purview of USD or whomever it may be, And it will continue the cash flow. Speaker 300:28:27So we are comfortable with the situation as it relates to it. There still remains real value. If you think of it, the unit facility, probably most notably through the GRU value chain, but there is still other modest volumes that are actually moving through that facility right now as well. Speaker 400:28:46Okay. That's helpful. And just one last quick one for me. Just on the hedging of the cash flow from the South Gateway Terminal. Are you where's your head in terms of how much you might want to hedge there from the recurring cash flow? Speaker 400:29:03Are you in the 50 Range or is it something higher? Speaker 300:29:08Rob, we're still working through that right now. If you think about So the expectations for currency through the remainder of the year, it's actually fair with an eye from an exchange rate perspective. We're We're going to use FX forwards to convert the USD to CAD? Are we going to do a cross currency swapping around some of our debt To enable payment in U. S. Speaker 300:29:30Dollar cash flows, we will, very likely hedge a portion of that. But I mean, I think it'd be a bit premature right now to Put out a 50% marker or something greater than that. It's something we're actively working on. We discussed it with the Board yesterday and are very live to it. Speaker 400:29:48Okay. Thanks very much. Speaker 300:29:51Thank you. Operator00:29:59And your next question will be from Robert Kwan at RBC Capital Markets. Speaker 1000:30:05Good morning. Just on M and A strategy, so I know that South Texas Gateway was just announced, but You're always evaluating, I'm sure, but does South Texas Gateway provide you a platform For you to focus a little bit more on organic growth, just some of the comments you've made in prior quarters about maybe more aggressively pursuing M and A, are you still In the market, you see a number of deals that may come to fruition here over the next year to 18 months? Speaker 200:30:39So yes, I mean our first focus is really going to be optimizing that terminal with very little to no capital at Right. There is potential capital in that terminal down the road. But I would say, it does give us a platform On the Gulf Coast there in Corpus, and we will start to look and see if and develop Opportunities and look for opportunities down the road that synergize with that asset. So Sean? Speaker 300:31:08Yes. No, I think as Steve has said previously, Rob, I mean, it's really an opportunity driven business. So I mean, our focus will be and will continue to be on organic growth capital. That has not changed. And I think with South Texas, it certainly opens up the availability of our ability to deploy organic growth capital. Speaker 300:31:28That was one of the rationales for the transaction. That being said, if M and A opportunity presented itself and it made absolute strategic sense for the company, We would have to evaluate it as well. But as we said previously, we've been looking for a number of years here and said Texas just surfaced now. So Is it likely to happen? Probably not, but you never know. Speaker 300:31:49But again, focus certainly is and will remain on organic growth capital and around our existing assets in a similar As we've deployed previously and with the acquisition of a third platform with South Texas, the ability to source that organic growth capital Can only go up. Speaker 1000:32:08Got it. And just around South Texas specifically, you've talked about some of the organic opportunities. Speaker 300:32:15As you Speaker 1000:32:16were thinking about the thesis of for the investment, how much were follow on Kind of bolt on or tuck in M and A deals to either increase connectivity or just build out infrastructure around that terminal part of The plan going in? Speaker 300:32:36I would say with respect to the specific underwrite, very little. It's We did not take to the Board, for example, and say, for this to be successful, we need to vertically integrate through M and A. I mean, what the nice thing is, it does create some optionality around that and potentially could create opportunities. But from a Underwriting the transaction perspective, additional M and A was certainly not part of the core That would be more upside to what we contemplated. It's really the core asset, the core customers, the facility, the macro fundamentals behind it, And the 3rd platform for growth, really all of the benefits we've talked about numerous times since the acquisition was announced. Speaker 1000:33:22Got it. And if I can just finish just on the provision. Can I just confirm that the half Of that, that you expect to incur in the 3rd quarter is half of the 17, not half of the 17 plus the 15 in 2019 provision? Speaker 300:33:39Yes, that's correct. Okay. Speaker 1000:33:41And then I guess in 2019, there was also some thought that you had a claim against The neighboring operator, because you didn't think it was a product you'd ever handle, just how did that play out? Or is that still to play out? Speaker 300:34:01We have that's been negotiated as we sit here today. And so the remediation as you think about it, this is not incremental remediation. This is remediation that was already ongoing. As we think of it, that specific claim, we're handling the remediation as it relates to anything on our property. The adjacent operator would handle anything that it relates to their property. Speaker 1000:34:29Okay. So, this 17 is Essentially or not, this is what's on your property, but you're seeing some ongoing remediation. So has some of that $17,000,000 already been spent? Speaker 200:34:41Yes. Half of that $17,000,000 has already been spent. This is just a reallocation of the expenses with our partner there. Speaker 1000:34:49Okay. So half has already been spent, half of it's going to be incurred this quarter and then nothing after Q3? Speaker 200:34:56No, it's future, right? So half has been spent and then the other half is all of our future obligations, right? So the incremental future obligations over the next 10 to 15 years. Speaker 300:35:08Okay. That's great. Thank you. Operator00:35:11Thank you. And at this time, I would like to hand the call back to Beth for final remarks. Speaker 100:35:23Thank you. And thank you for joining us for our 2023 Second Quarter Conference Call. Again, I would like to note that we have made available certain supplementary information on our website, gibsonenergy.com. If you do have any further questions, please reach out at investor. Relationsgibsonenergy.com. Operator00:35:42Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does indeed conclude your conference call for today. Once again, thank you for attending. And at this time, we do ask that you please disconnect your lines. Have a good day.Read morePowered by