NASDAQ:XXII 22nd Century Group Q2 2023 Earnings Report $1.19 -0.21 (-15.00%) Closing price 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$1.20 +0.01 (+0.42%) As of 04:50 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast 22nd Century Group EPS ResultsActual EPS-$48,384.00Consensus EPS -$36,288.00Beat/MissMissed by -$12,096.00One Year Ago EPSN/A22nd Century Group Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$23.43 millionExpected Revenue$24.09 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$660.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/A22nd Century Group Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/14/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateMonday, August 14, 2023Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming Earnings22nd Century Group's Q1 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, May 13, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 8:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Q1 2025 Earnings ReportConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by 22nd Century Group Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 14, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the 22nd Century Group Second Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Matt Kreps. Operator00:00:25Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:28Thanks, Lara. Good morning, and welcome to 22nd Century's 2nd quarter results conference call. Joining me today are John Miller, Interim CEO and Hugh Kinsman, CFO. Earlier today, we issued a press release announcing our results for the Q2 2023. The release, presentation and 10 Q are available in the Investors section of our website atxxiiCentury.com. Speaker 100:00:51We'll start today's call with prepared remarks from John and Hugh before moving into Q and A. The Q and A will be a session with our analysts. Today's call will focus on key updates to the commercial activity in our BLN Tobacco and GBB Hemp Cannabis Business Units. We will not be able to cover every aspect of the business in the time allotted for this call. If you have questions about our business not addressed in this call, Welcome to e mail Investor Relations using the contact information provided in today's press release. Speaker 100:01:19On Slide 2, A few reminders for today's call. Some of the statements made today are forward looking. Forward looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by these statements. Additional information regarding these factors can be found in our annual, quarterly and other reports filed with the SEC. During today's call, we may also discuss non GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, which redefines earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization as adjusted for certain non cash and non operating expenses. Speaker 100:01:55For more details on these measures, please refer to our press release issued earlier today. And with that, I'll turn it over to Matt, beginning from Slide 3. Speaker 200:02:05Thank you, Matt, and good morning, everyone. It is my pleasure to update you on the meaningful progress we made this past quarter and our company's path forward. I was appointed Interim CEO of 22nd Century in late July, and I am grateful for this opportunity at such an important time in our history. I believe 22nd Century possesses unique assets in both the tobacco and hemp cannabis business to create meaningful value for the company. This is what originally attracted me to 22nd Century last year and my enthusiasm about the future has not changed. Speaker 200:02:36As Interim CEO, my number one goal is I am very pleased to report in our hemp cannabis business, we had another record volume quarter As we continue to assert our industry leadership, in the 1st 6 months of 2023, kilogram shipments have already exceeded Shipments for all of 2022 and we expect improved operating results in the second half of this year as we bring our internal production back online We have also made solid progress on the tobacco side of the business. We had some delays in our commercial plans earlier in the year, but we have quickly expanded both our state and store counts for VLN over the past couple of months. This includes our recent launch in California, Texas and Florida with the number one U. S. E store chain and other retailers in those states. Speaker 200:03:25These retail placements are all supported by national and near regional distribution programs we executed earlier this year. Additional retail chains continue to schedule launches, including our 1st drugstore chain that will push us to over 4,000 stores and 15 states in September. In addition to making strides building our brand, we are also revising our go to market strategy to better maximize the potential of our product portfolio By prudently deploying our capital, another important element I will share with you today is the way in which we have previously supported VLN is changing. With our 16 to 18 state footprint, we are pivoting our VLN strategy to streamline operating costs, focus on demonstrating The unique brand attributes of VLN and drive performance to create value from this incredible product. I have considerable experience in this product development and know it takes time and money to build a brand. Speaker 200:04:21Even after a brand is established in the marketplace, there are considerable resources It's required to keep the brand relevant. The path to creating value of VLN is within reach with our new footprint, and it requires a more targeted and efficient approach showcasing how VLN is a brand of choice for adult smokers who want to smoke less. These changes in our strategy are part of how We are able to target over $15,000,000 annualized cost savings from our business, as noted in our July press release. Starting from Slide 4, let me dig into the tobacco business and our continued evolution of the commercial plan. Slide 5 gives key updates in our VLN rollout so far this year. Speaker 200:05:00During the second and third quarter, we have expanded our state and store presence, Which now stands at almost 3,000 stores across 14 states. We expect to surpass 4,000 stores and team states by early September with the drugstore chain launch in 5 states and the continued development of the diverse funnel of regional and national chain interest in VLN. We are pleased with the progress we are making bringing Vielen to new states, yet we recognize the launch has not been without delays. We experienced longer than expected lead times bringing on new C stores as we don't often control the retail distribution timelines. The laser typical for any product launch. Speaker 200:05:39Our launch is no exception. But one thing is clear, retail chains recognize that adult smokers are interested in this product. Our expanded retail footprint now gives us the base and scale on which to prove out VLN as a brand, which is the full focus of New marketing and social channel activity in the second half of the year. This campaign emphasizes positive motivation and empowerment As opposed to the typical negative messaging associated with anti smoking campaigns, I'm pleased to report early returns on engagement and driving adult smokers to stores that sell our product are solid. We are also eagerly awaiting the FDA updates on its highly the menthol policy, which is scheduled to be issued this month. Speaker 200:06:22Menthol is known to increase the addictiveness of tobacco products and menthol products Have for years targeted higher risk and minority communities. Banning menthol could be a transformative public health policy, But research and experience tells us that a menthol ban absent in off ramp product is not effective at reducing smoking and instead tends to drive menthol smokers to other traditional cigarette brands. We believe a clinically and scientifically informed policy providing for non addictive off ramp products such as VLN Mentor can help these smokers truly cut back and make real progress. 1,000,000 of dollars have been spent on studies illustrating this fact, Many of them used for MRTP authorization and funded by federal health agencies. This makes our product an ideal candidate for an exemption. Speaker 200:07:11Turning to Slide 6. We began commercial efforts on BLN at the start of this year and made progress versus what is normal in the industry, Even for Established Brands. Perhaps most important, you'll see a larger number of dark green states where we have initiated VLN sales activity, Including the 3 largest markets of California, Texas and Florida. We now have line of sight to 16 states with our upcoming drugstore rollout, which will increase store counts to more than 4,000 locations. Much of this has been accomplished due to the national and regional distribution resources put in place early this year. Speaker 200:07:45It It was an investment of time and money and added key chains quicker than we could have otherwise. This includes the 3 state corporate launch with the number one C store and upcoming 5 state drugstore rollout. Proving out the brand with these change will be a major part of our second half efforts, where we are increasing our focus on maximizing market acceptance within our footprint as we continue to refine and update our strategy. Doing so will be the key to opening up new partnerships, licenses and other opportunities for VLN and other reduced nicotine products our technology can support. On Slide 7, the updates to our strategy are closely tied to what we have key success drivers for VLN, including awareness, education, trial, repeat purchase and advocacy As Smoke received positive outcomes of DLN, early consumer data from our new marketing campaign continues to affirm Strong product acceptance at more than 70% and a similar metric for VLN replacing their usual brand. Speaker 200:08:45An amazing 98% of smokers are willing to talk about VLN with other smokers. Getting the word out of intorton Our new campaign deploys an extensive toolset, including marketing communications, in store activations, digital and social outreach, our brand website, consumer engagement, Favorable environment for harm reduction products. We are pursuing commercial development towards partnerships and licensing opportunities that could further the reach of reduced nicotine products. Governmental outreach has been initiated to educate and inform on the need for policies driven by science that build on good clinical research to reduce the harms of smoking. And marketing campaigns have launched to create a more favorable environment for adult smokers to choose a lower nicotine future. Speaker 200:09:37Slide 8 illustrates some of the new marketing campaign elements to reach adult smokers. Much of this is driven by targeted social and digital marketing, Especially in channels where we can identify a likely smoker or person interested in reduced smoking, including influences of smokers such as family members. As you know, VELIN is a very different product from traditional FDA approved smoking cessation products. It recognizes That smokers are not just addicted to nicotine, but also the act of smoking itself. We want adult smokers to learn that VLN offers a new Positive and optimistic approach to reducing smoking that gives them flexibility to keep moving forward with their health goals even if they have a setback. Speaker 200:10:22We empower smokers to confidently and capably take control of their habits, break the nicotine addiction and then move away from the behavior. This education process takes time and is definitely a different mindset from traditional cessation tools, but a welcome new idea to many adult smokers Early data in key markets show that our campaigns are driving BLN messaging to interested adult smokers. We're seeing high impression and content viewership rates and strong click through rates as well as data demonstrating that the campaign interactions are creating store visits from This and other data allows us to build efficient campaigns in specific markets. Moving on to Slide 9, we'll discuss Pinnacle, a private label conventional product that we contract manufacturer for a top 5 C store chain. Pinnacle is positioned as a well crafted traditional cigarette attractively priced versus other well known brands. Speaker 200:11:19For those not yet ready to cut back or quit, Pinnacle offers a high quality reduced cost option and is now available across more than 20 states and 1200 locations. Early sales are good and we look forward to the retailer's efforts to increase share and drive additional volume. Pinnacle can also help pave the way to other private label brands And placing VLN products in these partners' stores. That wraps up my overview on our tobacco progress and the revised strategy. Starting from Slide 10, I want to spend a few minutes on our successful and growing hemp cannabis business, where we are now in position to further improve operating results with the return of our in house With the return of our in house manufacturing capabilities. Speaker 200:12:00On Slide 11, GVP continues to assert its market leading position for the We've built a solid global footprint, providing opportunities Further market growth as this industry becomes more mainstream in multiple markets. Sales have ramped strongly and we believe will continue to do so, Proving an important opportunity as we resume in house production at our new facilities. In addition to record volume and the return of verticals manufacturing, we now have multiple additional growth and improvement vectors. These include Our new license and distribution agreements with major brands such as Cookies and Old Pal, the launch of our own hemp extraction capability rather than purchasing extract from 3rd parties and our first direct biomass contract growing program. This will help to reduce cost And transfer more margin to 22nd Century. Speaker 200:12:55Putting all these pieces together, we believe our hemp cannabis business is now firmly on a strong trajectory 76,000 kilograms of ingredient, that's 3 times what GV be delivered in the same quarter last year. Additionally, for the first half of twenty twenty three, kilograms sales have already exceeded 2022 deliveries. As you can probably surmise, this has put us in a strong position in the North America hemp cannabis extraction business. Our decision to ensure we maintained all customers' deliveries During the rebuild, it's paying off, even though we incurred a margin cost that has directly impacted our cash flow models and cash position. As noted in today's press release and 10 Q, we believe our business interruption returns will cover a portion of these losses, which were estimated at $2,400,000 in the most recent quarter alone, Territory and even increased through internal optimization efforts already in motion. Speaker 200:14:07This is an important point to reiterate as it provides True gross profit dollars to offset operating costs where we have not been able to do so for the past 9 months. On Slide 13, we're also moving into the implementation phase of our license and distribution agreements with Cookies and Old Pal. These exclusive agreements cover branded, hemp derived cannabinoid consumer products and accessories. Uniquely in the industry, 22nd Century can provide a single source of integrated supply, Production, sales and distribution leveraging our industry leading formulation, ingredient and manufacturing infrastructure, Plus a comprehensive sales and distribution platform. With 22nd Century providing these functions, the brand can fully focus their resources Specialty channels that already serve the targeted consumer. Speaker 200:15:04To summarize, our JVB business remains strong. We are now well positioned to drive improved operating performance to generate cash flows to better offset our operating costs and improve total corporate performance for our stockholders. Now I'll turn the call over to Hugh for a detailed review of our financial results on Slide 14. Speaker 300:15:25Thanks, John. Starting on Slide 15 with the Q2 financial results, net sales increased by 61.8 percent year over year to 23,400,000 reflecting the addition of GVB revenue and increased unit sales of our hempcannabis bulk ingredients. This is partially offset by lower tobacco revenue as we reallocated production resources away from lower margin filtered cigars And towards higher margin VLAN and conventional cigarette products. It should be noted we had approximately $600,000 of shipments intended to be recognized in the Q2 that will instead be recognized in the Q3 due to shipment timing around the 4th July holiday. As John referenced, we had updated our full year revenue outlook to a range of $80,000,000 to $90,000,000 to address changes in our VLN launch timing and Retail Rollout Strategy. Speaker 300:16:20Gross profit decreased to a loss of $2,300,000 reflecting lower filtered cigar revenue As we shift production mix at our NASSCO facility along with the impact of reselling bulk ingredients for hemp cannabis products Until production facilities are fully restored. Gross profit is expected to improve going forward with higher margin product mix for tobacco and completion of hemp cannabis extraction and distillation facilities in Q3 2023. Moving to Slide 16. Tobacco revenue for the 2nd quarter decreased to $8,100,000 from $10,000,000 as we shifted production mix away from low margin Transition which we expect to improve going forward. Moving to Slide 17. Speaker 300:17:15Hemp Canvas unit sales for the 2nd quarter grew almost 3 times year over year to $15,400,000 in revenue, reflecting continued strong customer demand for the company's bulk ingredient products. Gross margin was impacted by reselling activity required under our new facilities until our newer facilities are restored. Both extraction and distillation capabilities are now both online, which will enhance gross margin in the second half of twenty twenty three, And we are also contracting biomass cultivation to further increase margins later in the year. And on Slide 18, You'll see a few key highlights from our balance sheet. Quarter end cash balance was approximately $12,000,000 which does not reflect the benefit of almost $15,000,000 in gross proceeds From our July 2023 equity raises as well as cash we expect to be recouped to our business interruption claim. Speaker 300:18:11And it should be noted, we still have not received business interruption proceeds due from our insurance provider. 22nd Century's cash requirements are anticipated to decrease, reflecting improved gross margin profile as well as our cost reduction initiatives. And with that, I will turn it back to John for closing comments and Q and A. Speaker 200:18:31Thanks, Hugh. On Slide 19, as you We continued advancing on our goal to increase the value of our brands. Despite the timing issues on the VLN rollout, We have doubled its availability in just the last few months. We believe we will be able to demonstrate that the VLN brand will play an important role with consumers who smoke. By demonstrating that value, we will be able to better capitalize on the potential of VLM. Speaker 200:18:56Furthermore, We are delighted to be back online with JVB Manufacturing, which brings us significantly higher production capacity and improved economics. Our JVB business may be underappreciated by some in the investment community, but not by us. The growth is dynamic and the market opportunity is large. That combined with demonstrating the potential of VLN and our focus on cost reductions enables us to continue endeavor to build the value of our proprietary technologies in the near term. Last, I'd like to thank all those at the company for their contributions and continued dedication this quarter. Speaker 200:19:29With that, I'd like to ask the operator to open the call for Q and A from our institutional research analysts. Operator00:19:36Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Your first question comes from the line of Vivien Azer from TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:20:04Hi, good morning. Thank you. Just going to start with the tobacco business, please. As we think about your revised outlook From a revenue perspective, can you help dimensionalize what you think the mix is going to be between VLN, Pinnacle and the deprioritized filter scar business. Thank you. Speaker 300:20:27Vivian, if you want to take that? Yes, sure, absolutely. Thank you for the question. We're not providing detailed guidance right now according to product line within tobacco revenue. We typically haven't done in the past. Speaker 300:20:40So Right now, we're just not in a position as we're rolling out, continue to keep rolling out and getting more density in the markets to provide that level of granular detail. Speaker 400:20:53Okay. That's fine. Maybe I'll try it a different way because if our math is right, We're showing that your tobacco carton sold declined 46% year over year. Your price per carton was up 49 So I'm just wondering whether we're just seeing that you guys have taken pricing, because competition has taken pricing. Has there been underlying Mix shift that has driven that price per carton growth, can you offer any incremental detail on that? Speaker 300:21:20Sure. Yes, definitely. There we're it's not so much a price and market share issue as it is just an overall decline in demand across the board industry wide for the filter So it's something that we began to see in Q1. It's been sustained throughout the year. Typically what's happened in the past In the first half of the year, filter cigar unit volume demand is sluggish, reflecting probably Accelerate purchasing in the Q4. Speaker 300:21:53And then what you'll normally see starting in late Q2 going into Q3, a Significant pickup in orders, but we haven't seen that so far. So we're being pretty conservative about the forecast going forward In terms of guidance, just because until we start to see that type of unit demand pick up again, we want to be relatively conservative going forward. Speaker 400:22:18Okay. I appreciate your comment on conservatism. I'll just squeeze one last one in before I turn it back over because it does seem like that was The real deficiency, right, in establishing guidance and now the full revision. While I appreciate The timing of retail rollouts certainly can kind of move from quarter to quarter based on something like 4th July, which you called out. But it seems to me that perhaps there was an excessive amount of optimism around the rollout of If you're a larger company and you're launching a new beer brand, say, you can get 95% ACV in 6 weeks. Speaker 400:22:57So is this just a function of you guys Overestimating the negotiating leverage that you guys have with retailers given your relative size and the newness of the product or was there something else? Thanks. Speaker 200:23:09Yes, Hugh, I'll take that. Vivien, to your point, if you're a large beer company or Altria, there's You can absolutely get distribution quicker. I will tell you that we've really started moving into the 3 tier system The beginning of the year. And to be able to achieve distribution in Cormark, MacLean, Eby Brown, which are 3 of the 4 biggest distributors, Certainly expand through Circle K getting into the number one C store chain in the United States, number one drug store chain. I know that seems like it was kind of slow to ramp, but quite honestly, the progress we've made, I think it's been actually pretty good. Speaker 200:23:52It just does take time. I mean, when you're a brand new company going into a category, There are just things that you have to overcome. Now, those once you're past those hurdles, especially on the distribution side And with the major accounts, you don't have to go through those hurdles again. And those hurdles aren't consumer acceptance. Those could be insurance This could be some other logistical issue that the chain has, so we're past that. Speaker 200:24:18It did take a little bit longer, there's no doubt, Not necessarily on our side, but those are things that I've talked about in my opening comments about they're not our controllables. And quite honestly, when you talk to the retailers, they're pretty impressed with what we've been able to do in a relatively short amount of time. Speaker 400:24:40Yes, but if it's outside of your control, then it's incumbent upon you guys to handicap what you're hearing from the retailer. So how have you guys adjusted your approach to handicapping what you're hearing versus what you think actually might materialize? Speaker 200:24:54No, we are yes, totally understand that. I mean, and we understand the different hurdles we have to go through. We know We can only do what is promised to us by the chains. And Again, there's hurdles there you overcome. There's things that happen internally in some of these organizations that You have mergers, acquisitions, you have multiple variables that impact distribution. Speaker 200:25:22And again, I will say that to get into We're going to be in 16 days by the end of September over 4,000 stores and growing with a clear definition and path forward. We feel that's pretty solid and we're getting there and we continue to have more and more interest. Speaker 400:25:43Okay. Thanks so much. Operator00:25:47Thank you. Speaker 300:25:48Thank you. Operator00:26:00Your next question comes from the line of Jim McElraine from Dawson James. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:26:07Thank you. Good morning. If I can just follow-up a little bit on Vivien's line of questioning. She was You answered her question by saying that you face distribution issues, and you're past those now. And my question is, Are you past those issues for the current retailers at the current locations, but you will continue to face Those issues are similar issues for new retailers or existing retailers at new locations? Speaker 200:26:41Hey, good morning, Jim. Again, as we continue down this path, Jim, of distribution And talking to these key retailers and understanding their goals for the category, understanding what's happening within their framework of We continue to keep learning. Our success continues to be based on Being persistent moving forward with these accounts, we feel very comfortable in where we are and how we're getting there. So it's a challenging environment and everyone knows that. We just continue to keep getting our story out about VLM, about what makes The attributes of the product, people are very interested in these marketing programs are doing. Speaker 200:27:26They're very interested in how we're targeting the consumer. So all of those things are driving the interest and we're going to continue to keep building distribution. Speaker 300:27:37I don't Speaker 200:27:38know if that answers your question, Jim, but it's very fluid and we keep going. Speaker 500:27:45All right. Well, thank you for that. And is it fair to say that the change in the revenue expectation is mostly attributable To VLN? Speaker 300:27:57Yes, Jim, this is you. Yes, that's correct. It's mostly attributable to the Yes, it's a delay in the ramp in VLN, as John described. Speaker 500:28:09Okay. And can you Talk a little bit about the cost cutting program, when you think we'll be able to see The effects of that, is that something we're going to see a little bit of in Q3 and the full effect in Q4? Or is it More extended or shorter than that? Speaker 300:28:31No, it's going to be shorter than that. You'll see Yes. And the full impact in Q3, you'll see the full effect of it in Q4. We initiated all those cuts Basically a week and a half, two weeks ago, so that's my start of the cuts. So starting in the beginning of August When you'll start to see the impact of it. Speaker 300:28:51So you'll see a fairly meaningful impact in Q3 and you'll have the full effect in Q4 going forward. Speaker 500:29:00Okay. Thank you. And then just back on VLN for a little bit. I'm trying to understand a little bit of The relative impact of what you're talking about in terms of the rollout That is coming from, I guess, John, what you've described as the challenging environment versus The cost cutting program. If you can just try to help me understand, Chad, the bigger impact On the change in the revenue outlook? Speaker 200:29:40Well, I think, Jim, what we're talking about in the opening Okay. I was going to say in the opening comments, Jim, we talked about the footprint we've been able to establish those 16 to 18 states. We know what the path is to the consumer with awareness, education, trial, repeat purchase and advocacy. Once we've had been able to establish the product now in these markets, especially the key markets like Florida, Texas and California, right, those three states are Significant. They're the top 3 states in the country for cigarette volume. Speaker 200:30:13So as we continue to establish our footprint there, Moving out to the other states, proving our brand and what we've learned over the last 9 months of commercialization. All of this is playing into Our discussions and pivots on what we need to do, understanding the consumers' behavior, understanding if you see it our if you saw in our marketing campaign about the optimism and how So much different than the other anti smoking campaigns. All of that is now playing and being laid into Our marketing plans. We also know that we can do this in an efficient manner, that some of the things we initially thought we might have to spend on, we don't have to spend on. And there's continual learning around these that allows us to drive efficiencies and get the message out in a much more effective way. Speaker 200:31:01Jerry, if Speaker 300:31:01you had any follow ups. I'd just reiterate that as well. I think it's just making a more target concerted effort. And I think it's just the natural sort of delay in the when you're trying to get penetration with some of the With some of the retail clients. Speaker 500:31:27Okay. Yes, that's it for me. Thanks a lot, guys. Thank Operator00:31:33you. Your next question comes from the line of Aaron Grey from Alliance Global Partners. Please go Speaker 600:31:40ahead. Hi, good morning. This is Remune Smith on for Aaron Grey. My first question is for gross margins. They've continued to worsen. Speaker 600:31:49And while we understand there is some one offs on the flyer and gross margins would have been roughly breakeven Ex the $2,400,000 impact, we're now seeing negative gross margins in the tobacco business. So I know in the opening remarks you made out some initiatives to help Prove gross margins, but if you could provide some specifics on where as you expect gross margins to trend in the next few quarters And which of the initiatives will be the primary drivers of that gross margin expansion? Thank you. Speaker 300:32:21Thank you for the question. Really the main issue with tobacco is the lower volume and the Filch and Cigar revenue. Basically, there's fixed overhead and need throughput in order to cover expenses. And as volume decreases, there's just an Embedded expense that's incurred, and that's why we're shipping our product mix to where we're going to have more throughput and Better margins and increase the overall margin profile of the business going forward. That will be a big driver in improving Margin enhancement for that business unit. Speaker 300:32:58And then again for the hemp cannabis business unit, it's really just restoration of each sequential Production capabilities. So we have extraction fully online right now. We have distillate fully online right now. And we expect our isolated capabilities to be fully online in Q1 2024 facing to meet that timeline. And that's a really big driver. Speaker 300:33:22The cumulative effect of that, not to mention our biomass cultivation effort is significant. So we're not buying detailed guidance going forward, but there's gross margin enhancement Of these, call it, going from breakeven for hemp cannabis with the adjustment to you should be at Call it, high single digits, low teens towards the end of the year and then moving doubling that Going through 2024, as you restore your isolation, tobacco is more of a moving target just as we continue to change the product mix And reallocated resources to higher margin products, but we expect that margin to improve going forward as well. Speaker 600:34:10Great. Thank you. And then my second question in regards to sell through for VLN. Could Provide any additional color on any retention rates or market share in some of your legacy markets? I know you've previously Spoke to kind of the 1% share in some of your original markets. Speaker 600:34:25So any commentary on those trends in existing states would be appreciated. Speaker 200:34:30Yes, we're still tracking those things. And those are the metrics now that we're really starting to look at in terms of As we initiate these marketing campaigns, if you look at the process of getting into a store, you have to get your distribution set up, then you get your introductions. Once we've gotten store density, which we do have now in specific markets, then you can start launching the bigger marketing campaign. We knew one of our biggest issues to pull through and volume was awareness and education, Truly educating consumers about what this product is. Some of the better data I have on what's happening in the digital marketing side, Click through rates, impressions, connecting with consumers. Speaker 200:35:17Our volume has remained obviously stable. All of our initial retailers continue to carry the product, but now we're starting to see that the marketing ramping is where we're going to have the So that's where we are. I don't have really any more information to share on that. These programs are now starting And we're starting to Speaker 300:35:40see the pull through more and more. Speaker 600:35:45Great. Thank you. I'll back in the queue. Operator00:36:01There seems to be no further questions at this time. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. John Miller for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:36:09Well, thank you everyone for joining us today for the call. We appreciate the continued support and please continue to look for more updates Operator00:36:23Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the 22nd Century Group Second Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Matt Kreps. Operator00:00:25Please go ahead, sir. Speaker 100:00:28Thanks, Lara. Good morning, and welcome to 22nd Century's 2nd quarter results conference call. Joining me today are John Miller, Interim CEO and Hugh Kinsman, CFO. Earlier today, we issued a press release announcing our results for the Q2 2023. The release, presentation and 10 Q are available in the Investors section of our website atxxiiCentury.com. Speaker 100:00:51We'll start today's call with prepared remarks from John and Hugh before moving into Q and A. The Q and A will be a session with our analysts. Today's call will focus on key updates to the commercial activity in our BLN Tobacco and GBB Hemp Cannabis Business Units. We will not be able to cover every aspect of the business in the time allotted for this call. If you have questions about our business not addressed in this call, Welcome to e mail Investor Relations using the contact information provided in today's press release. Speaker 100:01:19On Slide 2, A few reminders for today's call. Some of the statements made today are forward looking. Forward looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by these statements. Additional information regarding these factors can be found in our annual, quarterly and other reports filed with the SEC. During today's call, we may also discuss non GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, which redefines earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization as adjusted for certain non cash and non operating expenses. Speaker 100:01:55For more details on these measures, please refer to our press release issued earlier today. And with that, I'll turn it over to Matt, beginning from Slide 3. Speaker 200:02:05Thank you, Matt, and good morning, everyone. It is my pleasure to update you on the meaningful progress we made this past quarter and our company's path forward. I was appointed Interim CEO of 22nd Century in late July, and I am grateful for this opportunity at such an important time in our history. I believe 22nd Century possesses unique assets in both the tobacco and hemp cannabis business to create meaningful value for the company. This is what originally attracted me to 22nd Century last year and my enthusiasm about the future has not changed. Speaker 200:02:36As Interim CEO, my number one goal is I am very pleased to report in our hemp cannabis business, we had another record volume quarter As we continue to assert our industry leadership, in the 1st 6 months of 2023, kilogram shipments have already exceeded Shipments for all of 2022 and we expect improved operating results in the second half of this year as we bring our internal production back online We have also made solid progress on the tobacco side of the business. We had some delays in our commercial plans earlier in the year, but we have quickly expanded both our state and store counts for VLN over the past couple of months. This includes our recent launch in California, Texas and Florida with the number one U. S. E store chain and other retailers in those states. Speaker 200:03:25These retail placements are all supported by national and near regional distribution programs we executed earlier this year. Additional retail chains continue to schedule launches, including our 1st drugstore chain that will push us to over 4,000 stores and 15 states in September. In addition to making strides building our brand, we are also revising our go to market strategy to better maximize the potential of our product portfolio By prudently deploying our capital, another important element I will share with you today is the way in which we have previously supported VLN is changing. With our 16 to 18 state footprint, we are pivoting our VLN strategy to streamline operating costs, focus on demonstrating The unique brand attributes of VLN and drive performance to create value from this incredible product. I have considerable experience in this product development and know it takes time and money to build a brand. Speaker 200:04:21Even after a brand is established in the marketplace, there are considerable resources It's required to keep the brand relevant. The path to creating value of VLN is within reach with our new footprint, and it requires a more targeted and efficient approach showcasing how VLN is a brand of choice for adult smokers who want to smoke less. These changes in our strategy are part of how We are able to target over $15,000,000 annualized cost savings from our business, as noted in our July press release. Starting from Slide 4, let me dig into the tobacco business and our continued evolution of the commercial plan. Slide 5 gives key updates in our VLN rollout so far this year. Speaker 200:05:00During the second and third quarter, we have expanded our state and store presence, Which now stands at almost 3,000 stores across 14 states. We expect to surpass 4,000 stores and team states by early September with the drugstore chain launch in 5 states and the continued development of the diverse funnel of regional and national chain interest in VLN. We are pleased with the progress we are making bringing Vielen to new states, yet we recognize the launch has not been without delays. We experienced longer than expected lead times bringing on new C stores as we don't often control the retail distribution timelines. The laser typical for any product launch. Speaker 200:05:39Our launch is no exception. But one thing is clear, retail chains recognize that adult smokers are interested in this product. Our expanded retail footprint now gives us the base and scale on which to prove out VLN as a brand, which is the full focus of New marketing and social channel activity in the second half of the year. This campaign emphasizes positive motivation and empowerment As opposed to the typical negative messaging associated with anti smoking campaigns, I'm pleased to report early returns on engagement and driving adult smokers to stores that sell our product are solid. We are also eagerly awaiting the FDA updates on its highly the menthol policy, which is scheduled to be issued this month. Speaker 200:06:22Menthol is known to increase the addictiveness of tobacco products and menthol products Have for years targeted higher risk and minority communities. Banning menthol could be a transformative public health policy, But research and experience tells us that a menthol ban absent in off ramp product is not effective at reducing smoking and instead tends to drive menthol smokers to other traditional cigarette brands. We believe a clinically and scientifically informed policy providing for non addictive off ramp products such as VLN Mentor can help these smokers truly cut back and make real progress. 1,000,000 of dollars have been spent on studies illustrating this fact, Many of them used for MRTP authorization and funded by federal health agencies. This makes our product an ideal candidate for an exemption. Speaker 200:07:11Turning to Slide 6. We began commercial efforts on BLN at the start of this year and made progress versus what is normal in the industry, Even for Established Brands. Perhaps most important, you'll see a larger number of dark green states where we have initiated VLN sales activity, Including the 3 largest markets of California, Texas and Florida. We now have line of sight to 16 states with our upcoming drugstore rollout, which will increase store counts to more than 4,000 locations. Much of this has been accomplished due to the national and regional distribution resources put in place early this year. Speaker 200:07:45It It was an investment of time and money and added key chains quicker than we could have otherwise. This includes the 3 state corporate launch with the number one C store and upcoming 5 state drugstore rollout. Proving out the brand with these change will be a major part of our second half efforts, where we are increasing our focus on maximizing market acceptance within our footprint as we continue to refine and update our strategy. Doing so will be the key to opening up new partnerships, licenses and other opportunities for VLN and other reduced nicotine products our technology can support. On Slide 7, the updates to our strategy are closely tied to what we have key success drivers for VLN, including awareness, education, trial, repeat purchase and advocacy As Smoke received positive outcomes of DLN, early consumer data from our new marketing campaign continues to affirm Strong product acceptance at more than 70% and a similar metric for VLN replacing their usual brand. Speaker 200:08:45An amazing 98% of smokers are willing to talk about VLN with other smokers. Getting the word out of intorton Our new campaign deploys an extensive toolset, including marketing communications, in store activations, digital and social outreach, our brand website, consumer engagement, Favorable environment for harm reduction products. We are pursuing commercial development towards partnerships and licensing opportunities that could further the reach of reduced nicotine products. Governmental outreach has been initiated to educate and inform on the need for policies driven by science that build on good clinical research to reduce the harms of smoking. And marketing campaigns have launched to create a more favorable environment for adult smokers to choose a lower nicotine future. Speaker 200:09:37Slide 8 illustrates some of the new marketing campaign elements to reach adult smokers. Much of this is driven by targeted social and digital marketing, Especially in channels where we can identify a likely smoker or person interested in reduced smoking, including influences of smokers such as family members. As you know, VELIN is a very different product from traditional FDA approved smoking cessation products. It recognizes That smokers are not just addicted to nicotine, but also the act of smoking itself. We want adult smokers to learn that VLN offers a new Positive and optimistic approach to reducing smoking that gives them flexibility to keep moving forward with their health goals even if they have a setback. Speaker 200:10:22We empower smokers to confidently and capably take control of their habits, break the nicotine addiction and then move away from the behavior. This education process takes time and is definitely a different mindset from traditional cessation tools, but a welcome new idea to many adult smokers Early data in key markets show that our campaigns are driving BLN messaging to interested adult smokers. We're seeing high impression and content viewership rates and strong click through rates as well as data demonstrating that the campaign interactions are creating store visits from This and other data allows us to build efficient campaigns in specific markets. Moving on to Slide 9, we'll discuss Pinnacle, a private label conventional product that we contract manufacturer for a top 5 C store chain. Pinnacle is positioned as a well crafted traditional cigarette attractively priced versus other well known brands. Speaker 200:11:19For those not yet ready to cut back or quit, Pinnacle offers a high quality reduced cost option and is now available across more than 20 states and 1200 locations. Early sales are good and we look forward to the retailer's efforts to increase share and drive additional volume. Pinnacle can also help pave the way to other private label brands And placing VLN products in these partners' stores. That wraps up my overview on our tobacco progress and the revised strategy. Starting from Slide 10, I want to spend a few minutes on our successful and growing hemp cannabis business, where we are now in position to further improve operating results with the return of our in house With the return of our in house manufacturing capabilities. Speaker 200:12:00On Slide 11, GVP continues to assert its market leading position for the We've built a solid global footprint, providing opportunities Further market growth as this industry becomes more mainstream in multiple markets. Sales have ramped strongly and we believe will continue to do so, Proving an important opportunity as we resume in house production at our new facilities. In addition to record volume and the return of verticals manufacturing, we now have multiple additional growth and improvement vectors. These include Our new license and distribution agreements with major brands such as Cookies and Old Pal, the launch of our own hemp extraction capability rather than purchasing extract from 3rd parties and our first direct biomass contract growing program. This will help to reduce cost And transfer more margin to 22nd Century. Speaker 200:12:55Putting all these pieces together, we believe our hemp cannabis business is now firmly on a strong trajectory 76,000 kilograms of ingredient, that's 3 times what GV be delivered in the same quarter last year. Additionally, for the first half of twenty twenty three, kilograms sales have already exceeded 2022 deliveries. As you can probably surmise, this has put us in a strong position in the North America hemp cannabis extraction business. Our decision to ensure we maintained all customers' deliveries During the rebuild, it's paying off, even though we incurred a margin cost that has directly impacted our cash flow models and cash position. As noted in today's press release and 10 Q, we believe our business interruption returns will cover a portion of these losses, which were estimated at $2,400,000 in the most recent quarter alone, Territory and even increased through internal optimization efforts already in motion. Speaker 200:14:07This is an important point to reiterate as it provides True gross profit dollars to offset operating costs where we have not been able to do so for the past 9 months. On Slide 13, we're also moving into the implementation phase of our license and distribution agreements with Cookies and Old Pal. These exclusive agreements cover branded, hemp derived cannabinoid consumer products and accessories. Uniquely in the industry, 22nd Century can provide a single source of integrated supply, Production, sales and distribution leveraging our industry leading formulation, ingredient and manufacturing infrastructure, Plus a comprehensive sales and distribution platform. With 22nd Century providing these functions, the brand can fully focus their resources Specialty channels that already serve the targeted consumer. Speaker 200:15:04To summarize, our JVB business remains strong. We are now well positioned to drive improved operating performance to generate cash flows to better offset our operating costs and improve total corporate performance for our stockholders. Now I'll turn the call over to Hugh for a detailed review of our financial results on Slide 14. Speaker 300:15:25Thanks, John. Starting on Slide 15 with the Q2 financial results, net sales increased by 61.8 percent year over year to 23,400,000 reflecting the addition of GVB revenue and increased unit sales of our hempcannabis bulk ingredients. This is partially offset by lower tobacco revenue as we reallocated production resources away from lower margin filtered cigars And towards higher margin VLAN and conventional cigarette products. It should be noted we had approximately $600,000 of shipments intended to be recognized in the Q2 that will instead be recognized in the Q3 due to shipment timing around the 4th July holiday. As John referenced, we had updated our full year revenue outlook to a range of $80,000,000 to $90,000,000 to address changes in our VLN launch timing and Retail Rollout Strategy. Speaker 300:16:20Gross profit decreased to a loss of $2,300,000 reflecting lower filtered cigar revenue As we shift production mix at our NASSCO facility along with the impact of reselling bulk ingredients for hemp cannabis products Until production facilities are fully restored. Gross profit is expected to improve going forward with higher margin product mix for tobacco and completion of hemp cannabis extraction and distillation facilities in Q3 2023. Moving to Slide 16. Tobacco revenue for the 2nd quarter decreased to $8,100,000 from $10,000,000 as we shifted production mix away from low margin Transition which we expect to improve going forward. Moving to Slide 17. Speaker 300:17:15Hemp Canvas unit sales for the 2nd quarter grew almost 3 times year over year to $15,400,000 in revenue, reflecting continued strong customer demand for the company's bulk ingredient products. Gross margin was impacted by reselling activity required under our new facilities until our newer facilities are restored. Both extraction and distillation capabilities are now both online, which will enhance gross margin in the second half of twenty twenty three, And we are also contracting biomass cultivation to further increase margins later in the year. And on Slide 18, You'll see a few key highlights from our balance sheet. Quarter end cash balance was approximately $12,000,000 which does not reflect the benefit of almost $15,000,000 in gross proceeds From our July 2023 equity raises as well as cash we expect to be recouped to our business interruption claim. Speaker 300:18:11And it should be noted, we still have not received business interruption proceeds due from our insurance provider. 22nd Century's cash requirements are anticipated to decrease, reflecting improved gross margin profile as well as our cost reduction initiatives. And with that, I will turn it back to John for closing comments and Q and A. Speaker 200:18:31Thanks, Hugh. On Slide 19, as you We continued advancing on our goal to increase the value of our brands. Despite the timing issues on the VLN rollout, We have doubled its availability in just the last few months. We believe we will be able to demonstrate that the VLN brand will play an important role with consumers who smoke. By demonstrating that value, we will be able to better capitalize on the potential of VLM. Speaker 200:18:56Furthermore, We are delighted to be back online with JVB Manufacturing, which brings us significantly higher production capacity and improved economics. Our JVB business may be underappreciated by some in the investment community, but not by us. The growth is dynamic and the market opportunity is large. That combined with demonstrating the potential of VLN and our focus on cost reductions enables us to continue endeavor to build the value of our proprietary technologies in the near term. Last, I'd like to thank all those at the company for their contributions and continued dedication this quarter. Speaker 200:19:29With that, I'd like to ask the operator to open the call for Q and A from our institutional research analysts. Operator00:19:36Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Your first question comes from the line of Vivien Azer from TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:20:04Hi, good morning. Thank you. Just going to start with the tobacco business, please. As we think about your revised outlook From a revenue perspective, can you help dimensionalize what you think the mix is going to be between VLN, Pinnacle and the deprioritized filter scar business. Thank you. Speaker 300:20:27Vivian, if you want to take that? Yes, sure, absolutely. Thank you for the question. We're not providing detailed guidance right now according to product line within tobacco revenue. We typically haven't done in the past. Speaker 300:20:40So Right now, we're just not in a position as we're rolling out, continue to keep rolling out and getting more density in the markets to provide that level of granular detail. Speaker 400:20:53Okay. That's fine. Maybe I'll try it a different way because if our math is right, We're showing that your tobacco carton sold declined 46% year over year. Your price per carton was up 49 So I'm just wondering whether we're just seeing that you guys have taken pricing, because competition has taken pricing. Has there been underlying Mix shift that has driven that price per carton growth, can you offer any incremental detail on that? Speaker 300:21:20Sure. Yes, definitely. There we're it's not so much a price and market share issue as it is just an overall decline in demand across the board industry wide for the filter So it's something that we began to see in Q1. It's been sustained throughout the year. Typically what's happened in the past In the first half of the year, filter cigar unit volume demand is sluggish, reflecting probably Accelerate purchasing in the Q4. Speaker 300:21:53And then what you'll normally see starting in late Q2 going into Q3, a Significant pickup in orders, but we haven't seen that so far. So we're being pretty conservative about the forecast going forward In terms of guidance, just because until we start to see that type of unit demand pick up again, we want to be relatively conservative going forward. Speaker 400:22:18Okay. I appreciate your comment on conservatism. I'll just squeeze one last one in before I turn it back over because it does seem like that was The real deficiency, right, in establishing guidance and now the full revision. While I appreciate The timing of retail rollouts certainly can kind of move from quarter to quarter based on something like 4th July, which you called out. But it seems to me that perhaps there was an excessive amount of optimism around the rollout of If you're a larger company and you're launching a new beer brand, say, you can get 95% ACV in 6 weeks. Speaker 400:22:57So is this just a function of you guys Overestimating the negotiating leverage that you guys have with retailers given your relative size and the newness of the product or was there something else? Thanks. Speaker 200:23:09Yes, Hugh, I'll take that. Vivien, to your point, if you're a large beer company or Altria, there's You can absolutely get distribution quicker. I will tell you that we've really started moving into the 3 tier system The beginning of the year. And to be able to achieve distribution in Cormark, MacLean, Eby Brown, which are 3 of the 4 biggest distributors, Certainly expand through Circle K getting into the number one C store chain in the United States, number one drug store chain. I know that seems like it was kind of slow to ramp, but quite honestly, the progress we've made, I think it's been actually pretty good. Speaker 200:23:52It just does take time. I mean, when you're a brand new company going into a category, There are just things that you have to overcome. Now, those once you're past those hurdles, especially on the distribution side And with the major accounts, you don't have to go through those hurdles again. And those hurdles aren't consumer acceptance. Those could be insurance This could be some other logistical issue that the chain has, so we're past that. Speaker 200:24:18It did take a little bit longer, there's no doubt, Not necessarily on our side, but those are things that I've talked about in my opening comments about they're not our controllables. And quite honestly, when you talk to the retailers, they're pretty impressed with what we've been able to do in a relatively short amount of time. Speaker 400:24:40Yes, but if it's outside of your control, then it's incumbent upon you guys to handicap what you're hearing from the retailer. So how have you guys adjusted your approach to handicapping what you're hearing versus what you think actually might materialize? Speaker 200:24:54No, we are yes, totally understand that. I mean, and we understand the different hurdles we have to go through. We know We can only do what is promised to us by the chains. And Again, there's hurdles there you overcome. There's things that happen internally in some of these organizations that You have mergers, acquisitions, you have multiple variables that impact distribution. Speaker 200:25:22And again, I will say that to get into We're going to be in 16 days by the end of September over 4,000 stores and growing with a clear definition and path forward. We feel that's pretty solid and we're getting there and we continue to have more and more interest. Speaker 400:25:43Okay. Thanks so much. Operator00:25:47Thank you. Speaker 300:25:48Thank you. Operator00:26:00Your next question comes from the line of Jim McElraine from Dawson James. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:26:07Thank you. Good morning. If I can just follow-up a little bit on Vivien's line of questioning. She was You answered her question by saying that you face distribution issues, and you're past those now. And my question is, Are you past those issues for the current retailers at the current locations, but you will continue to face Those issues are similar issues for new retailers or existing retailers at new locations? Speaker 200:26:41Hey, good morning, Jim. Again, as we continue down this path, Jim, of distribution And talking to these key retailers and understanding their goals for the category, understanding what's happening within their framework of We continue to keep learning. Our success continues to be based on Being persistent moving forward with these accounts, we feel very comfortable in where we are and how we're getting there. So it's a challenging environment and everyone knows that. We just continue to keep getting our story out about VLM, about what makes The attributes of the product, people are very interested in these marketing programs are doing. Speaker 200:27:26They're very interested in how we're targeting the consumer. So all of those things are driving the interest and we're going to continue to keep building distribution. Speaker 300:27:37I don't Speaker 200:27:38know if that answers your question, Jim, but it's very fluid and we keep going. Speaker 500:27:45All right. Well, thank you for that. And is it fair to say that the change in the revenue expectation is mostly attributable To VLN? Speaker 300:27:57Yes, Jim, this is you. Yes, that's correct. It's mostly attributable to the Yes, it's a delay in the ramp in VLN, as John described. Speaker 500:28:09Okay. And can you Talk a little bit about the cost cutting program, when you think we'll be able to see The effects of that, is that something we're going to see a little bit of in Q3 and the full effect in Q4? Or is it More extended or shorter than that? Speaker 300:28:31No, it's going to be shorter than that. You'll see Yes. And the full impact in Q3, you'll see the full effect of it in Q4. We initiated all those cuts Basically a week and a half, two weeks ago, so that's my start of the cuts. So starting in the beginning of August When you'll start to see the impact of it. Speaker 300:28:51So you'll see a fairly meaningful impact in Q3 and you'll have the full effect in Q4 going forward. Speaker 500:29:00Okay. Thank you. And then just back on VLN for a little bit. I'm trying to understand a little bit of The relative impact of what you're talking about in terms of the rollout That is coming from, I guess, John, what you've described as the challenging environment versus The cost cutting program. If you can just try to help me understand, Chad, the bigger impact On the change in the revenue outlook? Speaker 200:29:40Well, I think, Jim, what we're talking about in the opening Okay. I was going to say in the opening comments, Jim, we talked about the footprint we've been able to establish those 16 to 18 states. We know what the path is to the consumer with awareness, education, trial, repeat purchase and advocacy. Once we've had been able to establish the product now in these markets, especially the key markets like Florida, Texas and California, right, those three states are Significant. They're the top 3 states in the country for cigarette volume. Speaker 200:30:13So as we continue to establish our footprint there, Moving out to the other states, proving our brand and what we've learned over the last 9 months of commercialization. All of this is playing into Our discussions and pivots on what we need to do, understanding the consumers' behavior, understanding if you see it our if you saw in our marketing campaign about the optimism and how So much different than the other anti smoking campaigns. All of that is now playing and being laid into Our marketing plans. We also know that we can do this in an efficient manner, that some of the things we initially thought we might have to spend on, we don't have to spend on. And there's continual learning around these that allows us to drive efficiencies and get the message out in a much more effective way. Speaker 200:31:01Jerry, if Speaker 300:31:01you had any follow ups. I'd just reiterate that as well. I think it's just making a more target concerted effort. And I think it's just the natural sort of delay in the when you're trying to get penetration with some of the With some of the retail clients. Speaker 500:31:27Okay. Yes, that's it for me. Thanks a lot, guys. Thank Operator00:31:33you. Your next question comes from the line of Aaron Grey from Alliance Global Partners. Please go Speaker 600:31:40ahead. Hi, good morning. This is Remune Smith on for Aaron Grey. My first question is for gross margins. They've continued to worsen. Speaker 600:31:49And while we understand there is some one offs on the flyer and gross margins would have been roughly breakeven Ex the $2,400,000 impact, we're now seeing negative gross margins in the tobacco business. So I know in the opening remarks you made out some initiatives to help Prove gross margins, but if you could provide some specifics on where as you expect gross margins to trend in the next few quarters And which of the initiatives will be the primary drivers of that gross margin expansion? Thank you. Speaker 300:32:21Thank you for the question. Really the main issue with tobacco is the lower volume and the Filch and Cigar revenue. Basically, there's fixed overhead and need throughput in order to cover expenses. And as volume decreases, there's just an Embedded expense that's incurred, and that's why we're shipping our product mix to where we're going to have more throughput and Better margins and increase the overall margin profile of the business going forward. That will be a big driver in improving Margin enhancement for that business unit. Speaker 300:32:58And then again for the hemp cannabis business unit, it's really just restoration of each sequential Production capabilities. So we have extraction fully online right now. We have distillate fully online right now. And we expect our isolated capabilities to be fully online in Q1 2024 facing to meet that timeline. And that's a really big driver. Speaker 300:33:22The cumulative effect of that, not to mention our biomass cultivation effort is significant. So we're not buying detailed guidance going forward, but there's gross margin enhancement Of these, call it, going from breakeven for hemp cannabis with the adjustment to you should be at Call it, high single digits, low teens towards the end of the year and then moving doubling that Going through 2024, as you restore your isolation, tobacco is more of a moving target just as we continue to change the product mix And reallocated resources to higher margin products, but we expect that margin to improve going forward as well. Speaker 600:34:10Great. Thank you. And then my second question in regards to sell through for VLN. Could Provide any additional color on any retention rates or market share in some of your legacy markets? I know you've previously Spoke to kind of the 1% share in some of your original markets. Speaker 600:34:25So any commentary on those trends in existing states would be appreciated. Speaker 200:34:30Yes, we're still tracking those things. And those are the metrics now that we're really starting to look at in terms of As we initiate these marketing campaigns, if you look at the process of getting into a store, you have to get your distribution set up, then you get your introductions. Once we've gotten store density, which we do have now in specific markets, then you can start launching the bigger marketing campaign. We knew one of our biggest issues to pull through and volume was awareness and education, Truly educating consumers about what this product is. Some of the better data I have on what's happening in the digital marketing side, Click through rates, impressions, connecting with consumers. Speaker 200:35:17Our volume has remained obviously stable. All of our initial retailers continue to carry the product, but now we're starting to see that the marketing ramping is where we're going to have the So that's where we are. I don't have really any more information to share on that. These programs are now starting And we're starting to Speaker 300:35:40see the pull through more and more. Speaker 600:35:45Great. Thank you. I'll back in the queue. Operator00:36:01There seems to be no further questions at this time. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. John Miller for any closing remarks. Speaker 200:36:09Well, thank you everyone for joining us today for the call. We appreciate the continued support and please continue to look for more updates Operator00:36:23Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines. Have a lovely day.Read morePowered by