TSE:CHR Chorus Aviation Q2 2023 Earnings Report C$20.11 -0.11 (-0.54%) As of 05/23/2025 04:00 PM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Chorus Aviation EPS ResultsActual EPSC$0.08Consensus EPS C$0.12Beat/MissMissed by -C$0.04One Year Ago EPSN/AChorus Aviation Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$396.78 millionExpected Revenue$408.53 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$11.75 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AChorus Aviation Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/3/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateFriday, August 4, 2023Conference Call Time9:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Chorus Aviation Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 4, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Chorus Aviation Inc. 2nd Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. This call is being recorded on Friday, August for 2023. Operator00:00:24I would now like to turn the conference over to Tyrone Cote, VP, Treasury and Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:32Thank you, Joelle. Hello and thank you for joining us today for our Q2 2023 conference call and audio webcast. With me today from Chorus are Colin Kopp, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Gary Osborne, our Chief Financial Officer. We will begin today's call with a brief summary of the results, followed by questions from the analyst community. As there may be some forward looking discussion during the call, Speaker 200:00:55I ask that you refer to Speaker 100:00:56the caution regarding forward looking statements and information found in our MD and A. This pertains specifically to the results and operations In addition, some of the following discussion involves non GAAP financial measures, including references to adjusted net income, adjusted EBT, adjusted EBITDA, leverage ratio and free cash flow. Please refer to our M and A for a discussion relating to the use of such non GAAP measures. I'll now turn the call over to Colin Kopp. Thank Speaker 200:01:31you, Tyrone, and good morning, everyone. I'm pleased with Corus' performance in the quarter as we continue to execute on our plan delivering significant improvements in our leverage ratio and free cash flow. Horace's free cash flow has more than doubled year over year to $70,300,000 in Q2, and we further reduced our leverage ratio to 3.8 in the quarter, moving us closer to our target range of 2.5% to 3.5% as we outlined during our Investor Day in March. We continue to advance discussions on the launch of Fund 3 with our existing lead investors in Fund 2 and others. With the market conditions over the past year, several of the larger U. Speaker 200:02:15S.-based investors have been limited from investing in certain investment strategies due to regulatory limits on the composition of the portfolios, and we have recently been informed that certain states have increased their regulatory limits, which should further our discussions. We continue to see good opportunities to deploy funds in the regional aircraft leasing space, earning mid teen returns, and we look forward to providing an update on Fund 3 upon concluding discussions with our investors. In general, what we're seeing It's the regional aviation market continuing to show improvements with aircraft market values and lease rates showing signs of recovery from the pandemic lows. And to this point, during the quarter, Felco had 20 aircraft transactions within Fund II and managed assets with 9 distinct airline customers Operating in Australia, Asia, Africa, Europe and North and South America, including a sale and leaseback for its 5th E190 E2. As the strong industry wide demand for pilots continues, our Jazz operation like most other regional operators in North America is experiencing some capacity strengths. Speaker 200:03:33There is significant pilot movement in the industry today. While our pilot flow agreement with Air Canada is working as intended with over 300 pilots having transferred to Air Over the past year, we have also seen attrition to other mainline airlines. However, at the same period During the same period, we've successfully recruited and trained over 300 pilots and continue to see a good supply of new hire pilots. There is a gap between pilots exiting the organization and the time it takes to train new hires for productive flying, which temporarily constrains available flying hours. We are actively recruiting pilots and continue to grow our pipeline of future pilots through our Jazz Pathway program and our new Flight Training Academy, Signet Aviation. Speaker 200:04:28The leadership team at Jazz is very focused on collaborating with our partner Air Canada to coordinate pilot flow While the production in annual block hours is temporarily constrained as the pilots are getting trained, the reduction Voyager operates 2 King Air 200 aircraft per ambulance to Brunswick and the expansion allows for greater usage of the secondary aircraft for air ambulances services to Grand Manan Island. Finally, as we look forward, we're continuing our transition towards an asset light leasing model to reduce our leverage, de risk the business and provide a higher quality of earnings as we execute on asset sales to allow us to grow and invest in our fund management business at Belco, provide future opportunities to invest in accretive transactions and adjacent and complementary business lines and ultimately provide an opportunity for us to improve shareholder returns and allow for return of capital to our shareholders. I'll now pass it to Gary to take you through the financials. Thank you, Colin, and good morning. We had a steady quarter in 2023. Speaker 200:05:54We generated strong free cash flows over doubling last year and our leverage continued to improve moving from 3 to 3.8 from 4.4 at the end of last year. Our Q2 earnings were in line with our expectations with adjusted EBITDA at $110,700,000 up $5,900,000 from last year. Free cash flow was $70,300,000 an increase of $36,000,000 or approximately 105 percent. Net income of $20,300,000 increasing Adjusted earnings available to common shareholders of $0.08 per common share, down $0.03 from last year. As we look to performance, the RAL segment's adjusted EBITDA was $57,300,000 an increase of $6,800,000 primarily due to 3 months of VAALCO's earnings in the Q2 of 2023 versus 2 months in the Q2 of 2022, partially offset by decreased revenue related to the sale of wholly owned aircraft in the second half of twenty twenty two. Speaker 200:07:05RASM segment's adjusted EBITDA at $61,800,000 was in line with the Q2 of 2022. Our liquidity ended the quarter at $145,000,000 down $19,400,000 from the prior quarter, which reflects our strong free cash flows, debt reduction and investment in working capital. As we move through the rest of the year, we expect our free cash flow to continue to support our debt reductions And working capital should remain relatively flat by the end of the year with improvements in Q3 2023 being partially offset by Q4 2023 Investments. We are maintaining our full year guidance for 2023 as contained in the outlook section of the MD and A, including asset sales in the back half of this year, somewhere between $50,000,000 100,000,000 We are now ready to take questions. Operator00:08:00Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer First question comes from Walter Spracklin with RBC Capital. Speaker 300:08:34So my first question here is for Colin. You mentioned some of your The funds or the investors that you were targeting for Fund 3 had some restrictions that perhaps didn't allow them to invest. Do you view that as is this just kind of a temporary in the environment we're in and you expect that to alleviate And really where I'm going with this is what is the closing date you're now expecting for Fund III? Speaker 200:09:06Yes. Hi, Walter. Look, we don't have an exact date, as you can tell. Things are a little fluid, but we certainly see good progression. This was one of the things that we had heard from a few folks It was a bit of a barrier as they move forward and was kind of slowing things down. Speaker 200:09:27But we've seen good progression with them. Discussions are ongoing, Very active with the investors as well as others beyond fund beyond the current fund to investors. So we're seeing it closing hopefully in the months ahead. It could be at any point in time as we look forward in the next several months. Speaker 300:09:51Okay. That's great. And then turning to Falco's transactions, I think 20 in the quarter, how many of those were new placements versus lease extensions? Speaker 200:10:02Yes, outside of the E2 and most of them were just lease extensions and release of what they had. So yes. Speaker 300:10:11Okay. Are you seeing more demand from startups in Canada? I know you placed 4 eJets with Porter. Are you seeing that pickup at all here In the Canadian marketplace, we've noticed a lot of new orders from smaller carriers and just seeing if you're seeing evidence, is that an opportunity for you as well? Speaker 200:10:35It's Gary here, Walter. I think the Canadian marketplace is picking up. I think worldwide everything is picking up. And if you look at Telco and where our aircraft are, they're worldwide. But Canada is certainly improving in North America, but the overall global outlook is improving too. Speaker 200:10:51So Yes. I would add to Gary's point that we are seeing a lot of interest there, especially through FAWCO, but we're also Seeing a lot of secondary market interest and we've done quite well with re leasing on secondary markets On the older Dash 8s, there's been a lot of movement there. That market can take a bit of time because quite often you're having to reconfigure the aircraft and Correct. From a maintenance perspective, so it can be a little slow, but we're seeing tons of interest in activity on that side right now as well. Speaker 300:11:29Okay. Last question here is on the pilot, obviously, a tight labor market on the pilot side. How is that at all, if at all affecting your ability to grow capacity? I know you mentioned You had some pilot loss to attrition to other airlines. Curious where they're going and whether that's Constraining you at all, either to grow or even to on your service level, I know Air Canada And Jazz have had some cancellation spike here on service. Speaker 300:12:03Just curious if this is all related to the pilot shortage and do you see it at all alleviating Perhaps if we do go into a bit of a soft spot here as the economy continues to play itself out? Speaker 200:12:16Yes. Certainly, if we see a bit of a soft landing on the economy and things slow down a little bit that the pressure will come off without question. Right now, what we have today, what we're dealing with today is a lot of movement, a lot of activity, a lot of growth in the other mainline operators or low cost operators, however you want to position them. So we are kind of the primary We are the primary regional operator in Canada that has every pilot everybody wants our pilots, let's put it that way. So There's lots of opportunities for MVMT. Speaker 200:12:57And the one thing we're very good at is training pilots. We have Jazz has got their own in house Training certification. So they do all the certification for the pilots in house. It's not outsourced. It's a big advantage to the organization. Speaker 200:13:12And they're good at doing this. We've done this all of our careers the last 30 years. It's something we're very experienced at. So we're very comfortable with it. It's just that right now there is a lot of movement and we've been moving a lot of pilots. Speaker 200:13:26So there is a bit of a constraint, but it will recover here shortly As we move forward into next year and later this year, we're going to see some, I would suspect. But it's going to depend on, as you said, what happens in the business, Big picture wise, if things slow down a little bit, then we'll recover really quickly. If the demand continues and we see more growth In the mainline side, we're going to continue to produce lots of new pilots, that's for sure. Speaker 300:13:57Right. Is there I just want to just clarify, you said it will recover kind of in either scenario. Is it because you've got a Do you have some bubble of plot pilots just on the that you're training that will hit soon? Or do you just see it resolving itself as you under normal course of business? Speaker 200:14:18Yes. It's going to recover no matter what for sure. It's just a question of timing and demand. So if the flow continues, if we see continued movement, it's going to take a little bit longer. If We don't see that and things start to slow down in the industry over the next year or so then, I think it will recover pretty quick. Speaker 300:14:36Fantastic. Okay. Really appreciate the color. Thanks. Speaker 200:14:39You bet. Thanks, Walter. Operator00:14:41Your next question comes from Kevin Chiang with CIBC. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:14:47Thanks for taking my question. Just on the Fund III delay here, it sounds like I mean, the visibility is tough, but it could be months hopefully. But of the $500,000,000 I think you're looking to raise, are you able Quantify maybe how much of this is an issue of that total amount. It sounds like it's a little bit of a regulatory Or maybe just a bit of a paperwork issue at worse, just how much of that $500,000,000 might be tied up here related to This issue that hopefully gets rectified in due course. Speaker 200:15:26Kevin, it's Gary here. Dollars 500,000,000 is still a good number. What typically happens In these instances, as you're looking for your lead investor or investors to come in and the telco team has got great relationships. They've had a lot of ongoing discussions on this. It's all been positive. Speaker 200:15:42And in the background, they've been working with some of these U. S. Pension funds and others just as they work through the market Turmoils and things like that that are on the go on that piece so that they and they've now got their capital allocations or started to put their capital allocations in place. So when we look at this piece, it will the $500,000,000 is a good number. You're looking for your lead investor. Speaker 200:16:03That's who's That's what the Telco team is working with and things are looking good and some of them have changed their allocation. So we're feeling Positive on it. We just don't know the timing back to where Collins alluded to. So we've said, look, we're not sure if it will happen in the 2023 timeframe, but certainly We do expect it to happen. Speaker 400:16:22Okay. The $50,000,000 to $100,000,000 of dispositions, I know you've been indicating basically Speaker 200:16:29For now, Speaker 400:16:29I guess, 8 months that this would be very back end loaded, but there's been minimal, at least from what I can tell on the cash flow statement, minimal asset Sales, just the visibility you have on the $50,000,000 to $100,000,000 are these essentially Good to go. And it's just the timing of the execution or Are you still looking to negotiate with people or various parties on the sale of these assets? Speaker 200:17:02Kevin, it's Gary. And without getting into the status of the piece, what we have a trading desk that actively monitors the market. We put aircraft to the market all the time. So, and they're working through that process. We still feel at this point comfortable with the 50,000,000 to 100,000,000 Towards the end of the year here. Speaker 200:17:19But when you look at the process, we're going through that process today and we feel comfortable with where we're at. Speaker 400:17:27Okay. And maybe just last one for me. I guess the past couple of calls now, we've talked about A tight labor market, especially on the pilot side. I guess the one thing that always strikes me is like you still have this employee separation program cost that flows through. Just I know why you're doing it before when you were restructuring the business, but now just given the labor market you're facing, The need to bring in pilots, just what's in that program? Speaker 400:17:58I suspect it's not pilots or maybe I'm wrong. Speaker 200:18:04It's Gary here. Sorry, there is a small program back from One of the labor deals at Jazz about 5, 6 years ago, I think it was a small amount for some senior pilots, Okay. It's not really a large amount. Speaker 400:18:21Okay. It's still part of that program from I guess I'll call it way back when. Okay. So kind of like the program is still continuing Speaker 200:18:29That's right. That's correct. Speaker 400:18:30Okay. Okay. That's helpful. That's it for me. Thank you. Operator00:18:36Your next question comes from Konark Gupta with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:18:43Thanks, operator. Good morning, everyone. Speaker 400:18:46Good morning. Speaker 200:18:47Good morning. Speaker 100:18:47Good morning. Good Speaker 500:18:48morning, guys. I just wanted to First of all, I'll dig into the RAL segment guidance. So it seems like you guys have moved up the revenue guidance for the full year For that segment, but the EBITDA and EBITDA guidance have not changed. Can you explain like what's the disconnect between that revenue and earnings guidance, please? Speaker 200:19:10No, the revenue in the OpEx section, we've just tweaked it to reflect what's on the go within there. We've got a bit Good luck on the U. S. Dollar here in the first part and certainly the way it's trending. But as far as the bottom line, the EBITDA, maybe the Speaker 500:19:33And Like, Front 3, I understand, like, it's delayed a little bit here further, which is fine. But it seems like it's not contributing in 2023 at this point from earnings standpoint. So what's really keeping the overall guidance intact? It's not changing, but Fund III has delayed. So what's really offsetting that? Speaker 200:19:56Yes. So, Toniar, it's Gary So when we put our guidance out, obviously, it has a range and we did use some sensitivity around that. So our results, Generally speaking, it has been good in the RAL section and others. And this piece within Fund III was a portion of our earnings, but wasn't a significant contributor this year. So that's why you're seeing the ranges stay where they're at. Speaker 500:20:22Okay. Makes sense. Thank you. And just on the asset sales, just building on Kevin's question here. What are these assets, the ones you are looking to sell and which fund or funds or which part of the business they are coming from? Speaker 200:20:40So the assets we're looking to sell are on balance sheet. If it's in Fund II or it's not consolidated, at least there could be transactions in there that will be healthy for Fund investors, but that's not included. What we're talking about is on balance sheet and including Fund 1. Speaker 500:20:56So FON2 and FON2 together, right? Speaker 200:20:59Yes. FON2 is not consolidated. So it's excluded from that. We're looking for consolidated Aircraft on the balance sheet that generate cash for us. Speaker 500:21:09I see. Thanks. The last one for me. On the pilot side, So do you have any major coming labor negotiations coming up either on the pilot side or some other unions you have. And how's this whole turnover situation like create difficulty for your customers? Speaker 500:21:32And How does it impact your relationship with customers? Speaker 200:21:38Hi, Corner. It's Colin. Look, we won't ever comment on our pilot negotiations or discussions, obviously, in any significant way. But We have a pretty long history of and a track record of always planning solutions and working well with our unions. You can only expect that in this environment where we have lots of activity, we have a lot of flow, We're obviously talking to our unions about certain things and engage with them. Speaker 200:22:13We'll see how things progress over the coming months, but our unions and us The team are typically in discussions continuously, especially in an environment like this for sure. Speaker 500:22:31Okay. And that's great color. Thanks so much. I appreciate the time guys. Speaker 200:22:34Thanks, Connor. Operator00:22:37Your next question comes from Tim James with TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:22:44Thanks very much. Good morning, everyone. Speaker 200:22:47Good morning. Speaker 600:22:47I'm wondering if you could talk about the nature of the 20 transactions that occurred in the quarter, were those all just releasing transactions, Commitments for future purposes, just what was the nature of those 20 transactions, please? Speaker 200:23:06It was generally releasing transactions, Tim, at the VAALCO unit there. So they weren't new placements necessarily, they were just Rollovers and extensions. And the E190s Speaker 600:23:22as well. And were there any particular aircraft, you mentioned older Dash 8s, does that mean a lot of those re leasing that was sort of A fairly significant portion of the 20 transactions, were there any sort of characteristics, jets, turboprops, regions of the world or was it fairly diversified? Speaker 200:23:44Sorry, the 20 that are mentioned, Tim, are really related to Falco. Those are specific to Falco portfolio. The other comments I was making relates to -eight classics, which really is our inventory that we have at Voyager. We've been placing a lot of those aircraft here this last little while. Those are incremental to the 20 releases that we mentioned in the press release and the Yes. Speaker 200:24:20So Tim, it's Gary here. It was 9 different airline customers operating basically throughout the world, Australia, Asia, Africa, Europe and both North and South America. So it was a pretty diverse group, but no one in particular One item I would focus in on. Speaker 500:24:39Okay. Speaker 600:24:42Just a follow-up to that, Could you characterize the duration of the new contracts at all with these? What sort of timeframes you're entering into whether it's Average or a range of maturities? Speaker 200:24:58Yes, I don't have that with us. They would just be typical lease extensions probably. We can get you that information. Speaker 400:25:05Okay. Speaker 600:25:10I guess my second question just looking at the capital expenditures, overall your guidance for the year is It looks like there's a little bit of movement though within the components, a bit of an increase to capitalize maintenance overhauls and aircraft Acquisitions and Improvements, could you just sort of outline what the moving parts were there and what the reason behind that was? Speaker 200:25:36There's really no big reason. It's just more of a classification as to where it goes and basically the overall number is about Same so. There's really not much to read into it too. Okay. All right. Speaker 200:25:51Thank you very much. Those are all the questions I had. Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:25:56Your next question comes from David Ocampo with Cormark Securities. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:26:03Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Speaker 200:26:05Good morning. Good morning. Speaker 700:26:07I just wanted to touch on the pilot shortage. I know we've been I asked a bunch of questions there, but I was hoping you guys can walk us through how the flow through agreement with Air Canada works in a little bit more detail. I guess I'm Just really curious if the pilots are contractually obligated to move her to AC if it's in their agreement or not? Speaker 200:26:28Hi, David, it's Colin. No, there's no obligation for an individual to have to go. It's a process whereby the individual comes into the organization and they're given an opportunity to transition by Going through a process, they put their name on a list and so on. It's an automated process. And Air Canada then does A review of those individuals and so many vacancies per year. Speaker 700:27:02Got it. I guess if you take a look at the list over the last year or so just given the shortage or Are the pilots getting a full fill on their transfer over to AAC, like if 100 people put their name on the list, 100 people have moved over in the last year? Speaker 200:27:21Sorry, there's some background noise there, but can you ask that again, sorry? Speaker 700:27:27Yes. So I guess if there's 100 people that put their name on the list move over to AC, in the last year or so, have all 100 moved over like 100% fill rate move over to AC, Just given the shortage that you're seeing in the industry right now. Speaker 200:27:41So the fill rate is based on what the demand Air Canada has. So whatever demand Air Canada decides, like we've given you the numbers basically there that's been 300 captains there We've moved in the past 12 months. That demand is really set by Air Canada. So we don't have any Connection to that in any way, our job is really just to prepare these individuals and to support the flow. And what it does for us in turn is it provides a great opportunity. Speaker 200:28:15It's a leverage point for us when it comes to hiring in the industry. But yes, there's been no real constraint on individuals being able to go. It's been more the other way where we've been providing a lot of pilots to the industry and it's put some pressure Our ability to execute on ours. So we've been working really hard to get that caught up for sure. Speaker 700:28:43Got it. And then just sticking with the same theme here, I mean, you guys talked about lower capacity that you're Providing AC just because of the shortage, it does look like AC has looked elsewhere for capacity at least for the time being. Do you guys think this is a short lived phenomenon? And if we fast forward, call it 2 or 3 years from now, you'll once again be The sole regional supplier for AC and you can grow that CPA income again? Speaker 200:29:12Yes. Look, we still have exclusivity. There is no question about that. Air Canada agrees with that. We came to an agreement for this little bit of extra lift that they had asked for, which made sense for the Red team when you look at the bigger picture. Speaker 200:29:29So we had we worked through that with Air Canada and everybody. So We don't really see this as a loss of exclusivity in any way. We continue to have that and have a strong relationship with Air Canada. And We don't see anything really significantly changing as we move forward. Things will change in the industry as far as needs So, we are Canada's needs and what do they need for capacity lift on the regional markets, all that type of stuff. Speaker 200:29:56And we'll always be there to support that for sure. Speaker 700:30:01Perfect. That's all the questions I have for you guys. Speaker 200:30:06Thanks, David. Operator00:30:09Your next question comes from Renato Manzan with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:30:17Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I guess my first question is, What are the implications of the delay in launching FARM3? 2023 guidance remains unchanged, But I guess the delay in Fund III would affect to some extent the ROIC And OIE profile of that company. So I mean also what are the implications of this I suppose in the delays in your internal midterm objectives beyond 2023, Does this impact your leverage target into 2024 for some point? Speaker 200:31:06Hi, it's Gary here. If you look through the outlook section and that we haven't changed our guidance. Obviously, when we've been arranging, we have some sensitivity around it. Fund III was a major part of our guidance within 2023, hence why we're able to maintain it. If you look at the fund and you go back to our Investor Day, when you look at the fund of $500,000,000 of committed capital once that's in place, It generates somewhere between 1% and 1.5% of the management fee. Speaker 200:31:35So that's kind of the piece that you would be looking at as far as the modeling goes. So you could figure it out There the carry and other pieces like that happen much later. So that's really the implication of it. And back to the point we made earlier, We're confident in the fund. It's just a matter of when it close, then we can get it closed. Speaker 800:31:57Okay. That's great. Thank you for the color. And then my next question is, given the Strong recovery of the entire aviation ecosystem. Do you see more interest from the investment community Compared to maybe 3 months ago, how would you guys characterize the interest from investors? Speaker 800:32:19Is it getting better or Is it stable maybe compared to Q1? Speaker 200:32:25It's Gary here. On the I assume you're asking about the funds. We still see good investor interest. Jeremy and the Falco team have continued to have good discussions. This really the bit of delays that we're seeing is really market driven and capital allocation driven in our opinion. Speaker 200:32:44And there's no lack of interest in the space. In the space. Speaker 800:32:52Okay. Okay. That's great. And my last question is Given that training activities are higher nowadays, just To onboard new pilots and given the high levels of attrition to Air Canada and other airlines, What are the cost implications for Colours? What type of pressure do you expect on margins? Speaker 200:33:20So back to the it's Gary here again. On the CBA piece, we have a fixed margin in place with Air Canada that Does not vary regardless of line. And if you look in our outlook section, we've put reminded everybody of that. From an economic perspective as far as the fixed fee and that there is no impact associated with the reduced line. And back to what Collins talked about earlier, we coordinate very well with Air Canada on the pilot resourcing and scheduling in the other side. Speaker 200:33:49So This is something we work very hard with them to make sure that it is coordinated. Speaker 800:33:57Okay. That's all for me. Thank you. Operator00:34:17There are no further questions at this time. Please proceed. Speaker 100:34:21Thank you, Joelle, and thank you everyone for taking part in today's call. Have a nice day. Operator00:34:28Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect yourRead morePowered by Key Takeaways Chorus generated free cash flow of $70.3 million in Q2, more than doubling year-over-year, and reduced its leverage ratio to 3.8x from 4.4x, moving toward its 2.5–3.5x target range. The company is advancing discussions on a $500 million Fund III, working through regulatory limits that have delayed commitments but anticipating a close within the next few months. Market values and lease rates in the regional aircraft sector are recovering, with FELCO completing 20 transactions in Q2 across nine airlines globally, including a sale-leaseback of the fifth E190 E2. Jazz faces temporary capacity constraints from pilot attrition despite transferring over 300 pilots to Air Canada, but has recruited and trained 300+ new pilots through its Jazz Pathway program and new Flight Training Academy. Chorus is shifting to an asset-light leasing model to reduce leverage, de-risk the business and boost fund management, targeting $50–100 million of on-balance-sheet asset sales in H2 2023. AI Generated. 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Its operating subsidiaries are: Jazz Aviation, the largest regional operator in Canada and provider of regional air services under the Air Canada Express brand; Voyageur Aviation, a leading provider of specialty charter, aircraft modifications, parts provisioning and in-service support services; and Cygnet Aviation Academy, an industry leading accredited training academy preparing pilots for direct entry into airlines. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Chorus Aviation Inc. 2nd Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in listen only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. This call is being recorded on Friday, August for 2023. Operator00:00:24I would now like to turn the conference over to Tyrone Cote, VP, Treasury and Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:32Thank you, Joelle. Hello and thank you for joining us today for our Q2 2023 conference call and audio webcast. With me today from Chorus are Colin Kopp, our President and Chief Executive Officer and Gary Osborne, our Chief Financial Officer. We will begin today's call with a brief summary of the results, followed by questions from the analyst community. As there may be some forward looking discussion during the call, Speaker 200:00:55I ask that you refer to Speaker 100:00:56the caution regarding forward looking statements and information found in our MD and A. This pertains specifically to the results and operations In addition, some of the following discussion involves non GAAP financial measures, including references to adjusted net income, adjusted EBT, adjusted EBITDA, leverage ratio and free cash flow. Please refer to our M and A for a discussion relating to the use of such non GAAP measures. I'll now turn the call over to Colin Kopp. Thank Speaker 200:01:31you, Tyrone, and good morning, everyone. I'm pleased with Corus' performance in the quarter as we continue to execute on our plan delivering significant improvements in our leverage ratio and free cash flow. Horace's free cash flow has more than doubled year over year to $70,300,000 in Q2, and we further reduced our leverage ratio to 3.8 in the quarter, moving us closer to our target range of 2.5% to 3.5% as we outlined during our Investor Day in March. We continue to advance discussions on the launch of Fund 3 with our existing lead investors in Fund 2 and others. With the market conditions over the past year, several of the larger U. Speaker 200:02:15S.-based investors have been limited from investing in certain investment strategies due to regulatory limits on the composition of the portfolios, and we have recently been informed that certain states have increased their regulatory limits, which should further our discussions. We continue to see good opportunities to deploy funds in the regional aircraft leasing space, earning mid teen returns, and we look forward to providing an update on Fund 3 upon concluding discussions with our investors. In general, what we're seeing It's the regional aviation market continuing to show improvements with aircraft market values and lease rates showing signs of recovery from the pandemic lows. And to this point, during the quarter, Felco had 20 aircraft transactions within Fund II and managed assets with 9 distinct airline customers Operating in Australia, Asia, Africa, Europe and North and South America, including a sale and leaseback for its 5th E190 E2. As the strong industry wide demand for pilots continues, our Jazz operation like most other regional operators in North America is experiencing some capacity strengths. Speaker 200:03:33There is significant pilot movement in the industry today. While our pilot flow agreement with Air Canada is working as intended with over 300 pilots having transferred to Air Over the past year, we have also seen attrition to other mainline airlines. However, at the same period During the same period, we've successfully recruited and trained over 300 pilots and continue to see a good supply of new hire pilots. There is a gap between pilots exiting the organization and the time it takes to train new hires for productive flying, which temporarily constrains available flying hours. We are actively recruiting pilots and continue to grow our pipeline of future pilots through our Jazz Pathway program and our new Flight Training Academy, Signet Aviation. Speaker 200:04:28The leadership team at Jazz is very focused on collaborating with our partner Air Canada to coordinate pilot flow While the production in annual block hours is temporarily constrained as the pilots are getting trained, the reduction Voyager operates 2 King Air 200 aircraft per ambulance to Brunswick and the expansion allows for greater usage of the secondary aircraft for air ambulances services to Grand Manan Island. Finally, as we look forward, we're continuing our transition towards an asset light leasing model to reduce our leverage, de risk the business and provide a higher quality of earnings as we execute on asset sales to allow us to grow and invest in our fund management business at Belco, provide future opportunities to invest in accretive transactions and adjacent and complementary business lines and ultimately provide an opportunity for us to improve shareholder returns and allow for return of capital to our shareholders. I'll now pass it to Gary to take you through the financials. Thank you, Colin, and good morning. We had a steady quarter in 2023. Speaker 200:05:54We generated strong free cash flows over doubling last year and our leverage continued to improve moving from 3 to 3.8 from 4.4 at the end of last year. Our Q2 earnings were in line with our expectations with adjusted EBITDA at $110,700,000 up $5,900,000 from last year. Free cash flow was $70,300,000 an increase of $36,000,000 or approximately 105 percent. Net income of $20,300,000 increasing Adjusted earnings available to common shareholders of $0.08 per common share, down $0.03 from last year. As we look to performance, the RAL segment's adjusted EBITDA was $57,300,000 an increase of $6,800,000 primarily due to 3 months of VAALCO's earnings in the Q2 of 2023 versus 2 months in the Q2 of 2022, partially offset by decreased revenue related to the sale of wholly owned aircraft in the second half of twenty twenty two. Speaker 200:07:05RASM segment's adjusted EBITDA at $61,800,000 was in line with the Q2 of 2022. Our liquidity ended the quarter at $145,000,000 down $19,400,000 from the prior quarter, which reflects our strong free cash flows, debt reduction and investment in working capital. As we move through the rest of the year, we expect our free cash flow to continue to support our debt reductions And working capital should remain relatively flat by the end of the year with improvements in Q3 2023 being partially offset by Q4 2023 Investments. We are maintaining our full year guidance for 2023 as contained in the outlook section of the MD and A, including asset sales in the back half of this year, somewhere between $50,000,000 100,000,000 We are now ready to take questions. Operator00:08:00Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer First question comes from Walter Spracklin with RBC Capital. Speaker 300:08:34So my first question here is for Colin. You mentioned some of your The funds or the investors that you were targeting for Fund 3 had some restrictions that perhaps didn't allow them to invest. Do you view that as is this just kind of a temporary in the environment we're in and you expect that to alleviate And really where I'm going with this is what is the closing date you're now expecting for Fund III? Speaker 200:09:06Yes. Hi, Walter. Look, we don't have an exact date, as you can tell. Things are a little fluid, but we certainly see good progression. This was one of the things that we had heard from a few folks It was a bit of a barrier as they move forward and was kind of slowing things down. Speaker 200:09:27But we've seen good progression with them. Discussions are ongoing, Very active with the investors as well as others beyond fund beyond the current fund to investors. So we're seeing it closing hopefully in the months ahead. It could be at any point in time as we look forward in the next several months. Speaker 300:09:51Okay. That's great. And then turning to Falco's transactions, I think 20 in the quarter, how many of those were new placements versus lease extensions? Speaker 200:10:02Yes, outside of the E2 and most of them were just lease extensions and release of what they had. So yes. Speaker 300:10:11Okay. Are you seeing more demand from startups in Canada? I know you placed 4 eJets with Porter. Are you seeing that pickup at all here In the Canadian marketplace, we've noticed a lot of new orders from smaller carriers and just seeing if you're seeing evidence, is that an opportunity for you as well? Speaker 200:10:35It's Gary here, Walter. I think the Canadian marketplace is picking up. I think worldwide everything is picking up. And if you look at Telco and where our aircraft are, they're worldwide. But Canada is certainly improving in North America, but the overall global outlook is improving too. Speaker 200:10:51So Yes. I would add to Gary's point that we are seeing a lot of interest there, especially through FAWCO, but we're also Seeing a lot of secondary market interest and we've done quite well with re leasing on secondary markets On the older Dash 8s, there's been a lot of movement there. That market can take a bit of time because quite often you're having to reconfigure the aircraft and Correct. From a maintenance perspective, so it can be a little slow, but we're seeing tons of interest in activity on that side right now as well. Speaker 300:11:29Okay. Last question here is on the pilot, obviously, a tight labor market on the pilot side. How is that at all, if at all affecting your ability to grow capacity? I know you mentioned You had some pilot loss to attrition to other airlines. Curious where they're going and whether that's Constraining you at all, either to grow or even to on your service level, I know Air Canada And Jazz have had some cancellation spike here on service. Speaker 300:12:03Just curious if this is all related to the pilot shortage and do you see it at all alleviating Perhaps if we do go into a bit of a soft spot here as the economy continues to play itself out? Speaker 200:12:16Yes. Certainly, if we see a bit of a soft landing on the economy and things slow down a little bit that the pressure will come off without question. Right now, what we have today, what we're dealing with today is a lot of movement, a lot of activity, a lot of growth in the other mainline operators or low cost operators, however you want to position them. So we are kind of the primary We are the primary regional operator in Canada that has every pilot everybody wants our pilots, let's put it that way. So There's lots of opportunities for MVMT. Speaker 200:12:57And the one thing we're very good at is training pilots. We have Jazz has got their own in house Training certification. So they do all the certification for the pilots in house. It's not outsourced. It's a big advantage to the organization. Speaker 200:13:12And they're good at doing this. We've done this all of our careers the last 30 years. It's something we're very experienced at. So we're very comfortable with it. It's just that right now there is a lot of movement and we've been moving a lot of pilots. Speaker 200:13:26So there is a bit of a constraint, but it will recover here shortly As we move forward into next year and later this year, we're going to see some, I would suspect. But it's going to depend on, as you said, what happens in the business, Big picture wise, if things slow down a little bit, then we'll recover really quickly. If the demand continues and we see more growth In the mainline side, we're going to continue to produce lots of new pilots, that's for sure. Speaker 300:13:57Right. Is there I just want to just clarify, you said it will recover kind of in either scenario. Is it because you've got a Do you have some bubble of plot pilots just on the that you're training that will hit soon? Or do you just see it resolving itself as you under normal course of business? Speaker 200:14:18Yes. It's going to recover no matter what for sure. It's just a question of timing and demand. So if the flow continues, if we see continued movement, it's going to take a little bit longer. If We don't see that and things start to slow down in the industry over the next year or so then, I think it will recover pretty quick. Speaker 300:14:36Fantastic. Okay. Really appreciate the color. Thanks. Speaker 200:14:39You bet. Thanks, Walter. Operator00:14:41Your next question comes from Kevin Chiang with CIBC. Please go ahead. Speaker 400:14:47Thanks for taking my question. Just on the Fund III delay here, it sounds like I mean, the visibility is tough, but it could be months hopefully. But of the $500,000,000 I think you're looking to raise, are you able Quantify maybe how much of this is an issue of that total amount. It sounds like it's a little bit of a regulatory Or maybe just a bit of a paperwork issue at worse, just how much of that $500,000,000 might be tied up here related to This issue that hopefully gets rectified in due course. Speaker 200:15:26Kevin, it's Gary here. Dollars 500,000,000 is still a good number. What typically happens In these instances, as you're looking for your lead investor or investors to come in and the telco team has got great relationships. They've had a lot of ongoing discussions on this. It's all been positive. Speaker 200:15:42And in the background, they've been working with some of these U. S. Pension funds and others just as they work through the market Turmoils and things like that that are on the go on that piece so that they and they've now got their capital allocations or started to put their capital allocations in place. So when we look at this piece, it will the $500,000,000 is a good number. You're looking for your lead investor. Speaker 200:16:03That's who's That's what the Telco team is working with and things are looking good and some of them have changed their allocation. So we're feeling Positive on it. We just don't know the timing back to where Collins alluded to. So we've said, look, we're not sure if it will happen in the 2023 timeframe, but certainly We do expect it to happen. Speaker 400:16:22Okay. The $50,000,000 to $100,000,000 of dispositions, I know you've been indicating basically Speaker 200:16:29For now, Speaker 400:16:29I guess, 8 months that this would be very back end loaded, but there's been minimal, at least from what I can tell on the cash flow statement, minimal asset Sales, just the visibility you have on the $50,000,000 to $100,000,000 are these essentially Good to go. And it's just the timing of the execution or Are you still looking to negotiate with people or various parties on the sale of these assets? Speaker 200:17:02Kevin, it's Gary. And without getting into the status of the piece, what we have a trading desk that actively monitors the market. We put aircraft to the market all the time. So, and they're working through that process. We still feel at this point comfortable with the 50,000,000 to 100,000,000 Towards the end of the year here. Speaker 200:17:19But when you look at the process, we're going through that process today and we feel comfortable with where we're at. Speaker 400:17:27Okay. And maybe just last one for me. I guess the past couple of calls now, we've talked about A tight labor market, especially on the pilot side. I guess the one thing that always strikes me is like you still have this employee separation program cost that flows through. Just I know why you're doing it before when you were restructuring the business, but now just given the labor market you're facing, The need to bring in pilots, just what's in that program? Speaker 400:17:58I suspect it's not pilots or maybe I'm wrong. Speaker 200:18:04It's Gary here. Sorry, there is a small program back from One of the labor deals at Jazz about 5, 6 years ago, I think it was a small amount for some senior pilots, Okay. It's not really a large amount. Speaker 400:18:21Okay. It's still part of that program from I guess I'll call it way back when. Okay. So kind of like the program is still continuing Speaker 200:18:29That's right. That's correct. Speaker 400:18:30Okay. Okay. That's helpful. That's it for me. Thank you. Operator00:18:36Your next question comes from Konark Gupta with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:18:43Thanks, operator. Good morning, everyone. Speaker 400:18:46Good morning. Speaker 200:18:47Good morning. Speaker 100:18:47Good morning. Good Speaker 500:18:48morning, guys. I just wanted to First of all, I'll dig into the RAL segment guidance. So it seems like you guys have moved up the revenue guidance for the full year For that segment, but the EBITDA and EBITDA guidance have not changed. Can you explain like what's the disconnect between that revenue and earnings guidance, please? Speaker 200:19:10No, the revenue in the OpEx section, we've just tweaked it to reflect what's on the go within there. We've got a bit Good luck on the U. S. Dollar here in the first part and certainly the way it's trending. But as far as the bottom line, the EBITDA, maybe the Speaker 500:19:33And Like, Front 3, I understand, like, it's delayed a little bit here further, which is fine. But it seems like it's not contributing in 2023 at this point from earnings standpoint. So what's really keeping the overall guidance intact? It's not changing, but Fund III has delayed. So what's really offsetting that? Speaker 200:19:56Yes. So, Toniar, it's Gary So when we put our guidance out, obviously, it has a range and we did use some sensitivity around that. So our results, Generally speaking, it has been good in the RAL section and others. And this piece within Fund III was a portion of our earnings, but wasn't a significant contributor this year. So that's why you're seeing the ranges stay where they're at. Speaker 500:20:22Okay. Makes sense. Thank you. And just on the asset sales, just building on Kevin's question here. What are these assets, the ones you are looking to sell and which fund or funds or which part of the business they are coming from? Speaker 200:20:40So the assets we're looking to sell are on balance sheet. If it's in Fund II or it's not consolidated, at least there could be transactions in there that will be healthy for Fund investors, but that's not included. What we're talking about is on balance sheet and including Fund 1. Speaker 500:20:56So FON2 and FON2 together, right? Speaker 200:20:59Yes. FON2 is not consolidated. So it's excluded from that. We're looking for consolidated Aircraft on the balance sheet that generate cash for us. Speaker 500:21:09I see. Thanks. The last one for me. On the pilot side, So do you have any major coming labor negotiations coming up either on the pilot side or some other unions you have. And how's this whole turnover situation like create difficulty for your customers? Speaker 500:21:32And How does it impact your relationship with customers? Speaker 200:21:38Hi, Corner. It's Colin. Look, we won't ever comment on our pilot negotiations or discussions, obviously, in any significant way. But We have a pretty long history of and a track record of always planning solutions and working well with our unions. You can only expect that in this environment where we have lots of activity, we have a lot of flow, We're obviously talking to our unions about certain things and engage with them. Speaker 200:22:13We'll see how things progress over the coming months, but our unions and us The team are typically in discussions continuously, especially in an environment like this for sure. Speaker 500:22:31Okay. And that's great color. Thanks so much. I appreciate the time guys. Speaker 200:22:34Thanks, Connor. Operator00:22:37Your next question comes from Tim James with TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:22:44Thanks very much. Good morning, everyone. Speaker 200:22:47Good morning. Speaker 600:22:47I'm wondering if you could talk about the nature of the 20 transactions that occurred in the quarter, were those all just releasing transactions, Commitments for future purposes, just what was the nature of those 20 transactions, please? Speaker 200:23:06It was generally releasing transactions, Tim, at the VAALCO unit there. So they weren't new placements necessarily, they were just Rollovers and extensions. And the E190s Speaker 600:23:22as well. And were there any particular aircraft, you mentioned older Dash 8s, does that mean a lot of those re leasing that was sort of A fairly significant portion of the 20 transactions, were there any sort of characteristics, jets, turboprops, regions of the world or was it fairly diversified? Speaker 200:23:44Sorry, the 20 that are mentioned, Tim, are really related to Falco. Those are specific to Falco portfolio. The other comments I was making relates to -eight classics, which really is our inventory that we have at Voyager. We've been placing a lot of those aircraft here this last little while. Those are incremental to the 20 releases that we mentioned in the press release and the Yes. Speaker 200:24:20So Tim, it's Gary here. It was 9 different airline customers operating basically throughout the world, Australia, Asia, Africa, Europe and both North and South America. So it was a pretty diverse group, but no one in particular One item I would focus in on. Speaker 500:24:39Okay. Speaker 600:24:42Just a follow-up to that, Could you characterize the duration of the new contracts at all with these? What sort of timeframes you're entering into whether it's Average or a range of maturities? Speaker 200:24:58Yes, I don't have that with us. They would just be typical lease extensions probably. We can get you that information. Speaker 400:25:05Okay. Speaker 600:25:10I guess my second question just looking at the capital expenditures, overall your guidance for the year is It looks like there's a little bit of movement though within the components, a bit of an increase to capitalize maintenance overhauls and aircraft Acquisitions and Improvements, could you just sort of outline what the moving parts were there and what the reason behind that was? Speaker 200:25:36There's really no big reason. It's just more of a classification as to where it goes and basically the overall number is about Same so. There's really not much to read into it too. Okay. All right. Speaker 200:25:51Thank you very much. Those are all the questions I had. Thank you. Thank you. Operator00:25:56Your next question comes from David Ocampo with Cormark Securities. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:26:03Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Speaker 200:26:05Good morning. Good morning. Speaker 700:26:07I just wanted to touch on the pilot shortage. I know we've been I asked a bunch of questions there, but I was hoping you guys can walk us through how the flow through agreement with Air Canada works in a little bit more detail. I guess I'm Just really curious if the pilots are contractually obligated to move her to AC if it's in their agreement or not? Speaker 200:26:28Hi, David, it's Colin. No, there's no obligation for an individual to have to go. It's a process whereby the individual comes into the organization and they're given an opportunity to transition by Going through a process, they put their name on a list and so on. It's an automated process. And Air Canada then does A review of those individuals and so many vacancies per year. Speaker 700:27:02Got it. I guess if you take a look at the list over the last year or so just given the shortage or Are the pilots getting a full fill on their transfer over to AAC, like if 100 people put their name on the list, 100 people have moved over in the last year? Speaker 200:27:21Sorry, there's some background noise there, but can you ask that again, sorry? Speaker 700:27:27Yes. So I guess if there's 100 people that put their name on the list move over to AC, in the last year or so, have all 100 moved over like 100% fill rate move over to AC, Just given the shortage that you're seeing in the industry right now. Speaker 200:27:41So the fill rate is based on what the demand Air Canada has. So whatever demand Air Canada decides, like we've given you the numbers basically there that's been 300 captains there We've moved in the past 12 months. That demand is really set by Air Canada. So we don't have any Connection to that in any way, our job is really just to prepare these individuals and to support the flow. And what it does for us in turn is it provides a great opportunity. Speaker 200:28:15It's a leverage point for us when it comes to hiring in the industry. But yes, there's been no real constraint on individuals being able to go. It's been more the other way where we've been providing a lot of pilots to the industry and it's put some pressure Our ability to execute on ours. So we've been working really hard to get that caught up for sure. Speaker 700:28:43Got it. And then just sticking with the same theme here, I mean, you guys talked about lower capacity that you're Providing AC just because of the shortage, it does look like AC has looked elsewhere for capacity at least for the time being. Do you guys think this is a short lived phenomenon? And if we fast forward, call it 2 or 3 years from now, you'll once again be The sole regional supplier for AC and you can grow that CPA income again? Speaker 200:29:12Yes. Look, we still have exclusivity. There is no question about that. Air Canada agrees with that. We came to an agreement for this little bit of extra lift that they had asked for, which made sense for the Red team when you look at the bigger picture. Speaker 200:29:29So we had we worked through that with Air Canada and everybody. So We don't really see this as a loss of exclusivity in any way. We continue to have that and have a strong relationship with Air Canada. And We don't see anything really significantly changing as we move forward. Things will change in the industry as far as needs So, we are Canada's needs and what do they need for capacity lift on the regional markets, all that type of stuff. Speaker 200:29:56And we'll always be there to support that for sure. Speaker 700:30:01Perfect. That's all the questions I have for you guys. Speaker 200:30:06Thanks, David. Operator00:30:09Your next question comes from Renato Manzan with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:30:17Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I guess my first question is, What are the implications of the delay in launching FARM3? 2023 guidance remains unchanged, But I guess the delay in Fund III would affect to some extent the ROIC And OIE profile of that company. So I mean also what are the implications of this I suppose in the delays in your internal midterm objectives beyond 2023, Does this impact your leverage target into 2024 for some point? Speaker 200:31:06Hi, it's Gary here. If you look through the outlook section and that we haven't changed our guidance. Obviously, when we've been arranging, we have some sensitivity around it. Fund III was a major part of our guidance within 2023, hence why we're able to maintain it. If you look at the fund and you go back to our Investor Day, when you look at the fund of $500,000,000 of committed capital once that's in place, It generates somewhere between 1% and 1.5% of the management fee. Speaker 200:31:35So that's kind of the piece that you would be looking at as far as the modeling goes. So you could figure it out There the carry and other pieces like that happen much later. So that's really the implication of it. And back to the point we made earlier, We're confident in the fund. It's just a matter of when it close, then we can get it closed. Speaker 800:31:57Okay. That's great. Thank you for the color. And then my next question is, given the Strong recovery of the entire aviation ecosystem. Do you see more interest from the investment community Compared to maybe 3 months ago, how would you guys characterize the interest from investors? Speaker 800:32:19Is it getting better or Is it stable maybe compared to Q1? Speaker 200:32:25It's Gary here. On the I assume you're asking about the funds. We still see good investor interest. Jeremy and the Falco team have continued to have good discussions. This really the bit of delays that we're seeing is really market driven and capital allocation driven in our opinion. Speaker 200:32:44And there's no lack of interest in the space. In the space. Speaker 800:32:52Okay. Okay. That's great. And my last question is Given that training activities are higher nowadays, just To onboard new pilots and given the high levels of attrition to Air Canada and other airlines, What are the cost implications for Colours? What type of pressure do you expect on margins? Speaker 200:33:20So back to the it's Gary here again. On the CBA piece, we have a fixed margin in place with Air Canada that Does not vary regardless of line. And if you look in our outlook section, we've put reminded everybody of that. From an economic perspective as far as the fixed fee and that there is no impact associated with the reduced line. And back to what Collins talked about earlier, we coordinate very well with Air Canada on the pilot resourcing and scheduling in the other side. Speaker 200:33:49So This is something we work very hard with them to make sure that it is coordinated. Speaker 800:33:57Okay. That's all for me. Thank you. Operator00:34:17There are no further questions at this time. Please proceed. Speaker 100:34:21Thank you, Joelle, and thank you everyone for taking part in today's call. Have a nice day. Operator00:34:28Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect yourRead morePowered by