Petróleo Brasileiro S.A. - Petrobras Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 4, 2023

There are 3 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Petrobras webcast with analysts and investors regarding our results for Q2 of 2023. It's a pleasure to be here today. This event will be presented in Portuguese with simultaneous translation into English. The links for both languages can be found on our Investor Relations page.

Operator

We would like to inform that all participants will follow the broadcast over the Internet as listeners. After our intro, we will have a Q and A session where you can send your questions to petroinvestpetrobras.com.br. Today with us, we have Carlos Travasu, Chief Engineering, Technology and Innovation Officer Claris Coppeci, Chief Corporate Affairs Officer Claudio Schlosser, Chief Logistics, Commercialization and Market Officer Joel Soufaulkou Mendez, Chief Exploration and Production Officer Mario Spinelli, Chief Governance and Compliance Officer Mauricio Tomasquin, Chief Energy Transition and Sustainability Officer Sergio Caetanoleti, Chief Finance and Investor Relations and William Prancer, Chief Industrial Processes and Products Officer. To initiate. We will watch a video with a message from our President, Jean Paul.

Operator

Good morning.

Speaker 1

It is an honor to be here again to share our results with all of you. It has been 6 months of achievements and accomplishments, which reflect the quality of the work that we are doing within Petrobras. In this 1st semester of management, we were able to establish a new commercial strategy That is producing the results we wanted so much, more flexibility and competitiveness for Fuel prices. At the same time, we are committed to leading the energy transition in the country In a fair, safe and inclusive way, driven by partnerships we are building with companies of technical excellence And by the growing decarbonization of our operations. One of these results is the neutralization Of scope 2 emissions since all electricity purchased by Petrobras now has a proven renewable origin.

Speaker 1

It is important to highlight that we approved the revision of the strategic elements for our 20 2024, twenty twenty eight strategic plan, as well as the driver to increase low carbon investors To up to 15% of our total investments. In the operational side, FPSO's Ananeri in the Sampus Basin and Aumiranti Barroso in the Buzios field started up production. FPSO's So Anita Garibaldi and Sepetiba are expected to join them soon, helping us to continue increasing pre salt production. The utilization factor of our refineries reached 93% with the highest level environment and health issues. And we achieved record sales in the first half, With 10 PPM diesel accounting for 62% of the total diesel sales of Petrobras.

Speaker 1

Regarding diesel R, which is our diesel with 5% of renewable content, we project to increase our Processing capacity by 146 percent later this year. We increased our investments to $5,700,000,000 in the first half of the year, and we kept our debt under control at a gross debt of 58 $1,000,000,000 while our operating generation reached $10,000,000,000 In the first half of with the launch of our diversity supplement to reinforce awareness among our internal public and our society at large. All these results achieved in the first half of this year represent only the beginning of a journey that will

Operator

Now we will initiate our results of Q2 of 2023. And now I will hand it over to Sergio Caetano Leite. Good morning. I am very pleased to be here today to discuss our results for the 2nd quarter. During this quarter During this This quarter, our gross recurring EBITDA was BRL12 1,000,000,000.

Operator

This Our operational cash flow demonstrates the resilience of our company despite and adverse foreign scenario. We have approximately BRL10.6 billion in operating cash flow. Our debt, our net debt over EBITDA also shows the control of our indebtedness And the financial soundness of our company that would be 0.74 times. Now the return on capital employed is almost 13%. This is 12.8%.

Operator

Our net profit totaled 5.8 1,000,000,000 free cash flow, dollars 7,000,000,000 and we continue contributing sustainably. We promote inclusive development, paving BRL56.1 billion in taxes, contributing towards social development. Our dividends totaled dollars 6,200,000,000 and we have a comfortable cash flow of $15,800,000,000 So despite External adversities, Petrobras financialsouddness is positive and the results Take us this is why we're this is one of the 10 best years of the company. Now here you can see the foreign environment. There was a drop In Brent, it was significant.

Operator

We're talking about the 2nd Q2 of 2022, dollars 114 in Brent. Now during this quarter, dollars 78 per barrel. This is the drop of the barrel price was highly significant, although the exchange rate is in line with Last year's quarter, the drop of Brent is another factor that I will comment subsequently. And this is why this We've dropped our results, although we continue with sustainable development and the company continues resilient. Our EBITDA demonstrates that we are aligned with the drop of the Brent and the appreciation of the dollar.

Operator

But there is an important interpretation. Since the beginning of the year, I mean Q1 and Q2, our adjusted EBITDA is very close, almost at the same level of a recurring EBITDA or recurring EBITDA. This is because There has been a lower disinvestment program because of our asset portfolio. This so our company continues adjustment presenting very important value. Below, you can see to see the devaluation of Brent, which impacts significantly our operations.

Operator

There was a lower Brent reduction in exploration and production. Now refining And marketing captures the foreign scenario factors. If we consider The EBITDA with the stock turnaround, we have a drop of 33% visavisq1 With a replenishment cost, we have an EBITDA of minus 42%, gas and power aligned with the refining area. So we have a 33% drop if we consider the Q1 in comparison to Q2. Now our cash generation, as I mentioned, continues strong and robust.

Operator

There was a slight contribution of non recurring results that are because of the sale of Pochiguara and Nochikapishava complex. Our debt management from allowed us to amortize 0.7 dollars 1,000,000 and these are data this is data that is aligned with the market. In reality, in oil and gas, Petrobras has presented one with the best results despite an adverse scenario. Now when we talk about our debt, there was a slight spike in our total indebtedness because of the freight of Aneneri and Almirante Chip Barroso, but our financial debt maintains its dropping trajectory. We dropped we've lowered 0.6% 1,000,000 in debt.

Operator

Our gross debt is within the limits that we established and what we announced in our strategic plan. Now our next slide. Now Portfolio Management. This is a question This is a constant question mark from our investments. We have a dynamic portfolio in Petrobras, so this means that we are going to work with this divestments with investments and with partnerships.

Operator

There are assets that are of interest and we can do this through partnerships. So all our portfolio is being reassessed under a different view. This is a long term view. In addition or aligned with what we announced regarding the signed contracts for divestments, they remain. There are fields, Laulbacora, Lesgi that was sold in Q1.

Operator

We have or complex or Portugal complex. Now in terms of cash inflow generated From these divestments until June of 2023, we're talking about the end of the second quarter. Well, this was 3 point dollars 5,000,000,000 Well, our net results reflect The strangeness of the market, the drop of the branch and the appreciation of the dollar vis a vis the dollar, What is important is the crack spread of the diesel. The market is being pressured by the low offering of Russian diesel dropping 40%, well higher Operating expenses $400,000,000 and this has been reduced to when we compare it to other quarters. Now what we give back to society, This is part of our ESG program.

Operator

It is highly consistent and strong. We give back to society in terms of taxes and we gave back R56.1 billion dollars Another important fact was We reviewed the shareholders' remuneration policy. In this policy review, We will maintain important aspects that will guarantee the financial soundness of the company, the control of the dot. We maintained the same periods. We continue with the same guides of indebtedness.

Operator

We have a reference, we have our gross debt and how we pay out quarterly our dividends and we've reformulated our formula going from 60% to 45% of free cash flow, designated to dividend payout. This level is in line with the major worldwide enterprises up here considering independent enterprises and also state companies. Remuneration to shareholders, I would like to highlight the main dates that were already announced to the market here for the Q2 remuneration. The base data will be August 21st, the first tranche will be paid of 20 the parcel will be paid November 21 and the second December 15, we continue controlling our debt using capital principle that is part of the guidance of the company. And we continue committed to generate and to distribute value.

Operator

Now our buyback program, well, Petrobras is one of the companies that communicates most With the market in Brazil and abroad, these are the shares that are mostly traded abroad. What we do have impacts and this is why we have to be careful. Therefore, our buyback program We'll start in a conservative fashion. We will buy 157,800,000 preferred shares. This will be done with preferred shares, which represent a small amount of these free float that would be 3.5 percent and this is a pilot program will last around 12 months.

Operator

So we expect To conclude this, we believe that this will not cause major price fluctuation and it's The first share buyback program that Petrobras will use to remunerate their shareholders. So these So they can be bought in parcels. So with this, the main highlights. Here you can see more in our IR sites. And now I will give the floor to Mauricio Thomas King, Chief Sustainability and Transition Officer.

Speaker 2

When she comes to people, you own as in swans and this is not someone to bash days But I'm just giving you a general overview. So here we see a lower emission rate of Greenhouse Gas is in refining since the beginning of the operation, which was in 2019. We signed the 1st charter contract for hybrid support vessels, Meaning using batteries and marine fuel. This allowed us to reduce emissions by about 15%. We certified Our energy production through IRAC, Renewable Energy Certificate, guaranteeing that 100% of the electricity purchased It was generated by renewable sources and we invested BRL200 1,000,000 in a new gas treatment system at replan and refap, Which reduces emissions in particulate matters, which have a negative health impact.

Speaker 2

So these are scopes 1 and 2, meaning decarbonizing the company's processes. In scope 3, which refers to products with a lower carbon footprint. Our goal is to expand our diesel production capacity with renewable content by 2023, Especially through processing. So this was Authorized by A&V to operate another unit with Repar, expanding our Production to 12,000,000 liters per day. We signed a cooperation agreement.

Speaker 2

New test for maritime transport with a chartered vessel from TransPetro, Which has 24% renewable content, which also allows us to reduce emissions by about 17%. So those were the highlights I had for you And I'll pass it over to my colleague here, Joel Olsen. Good morning, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here. We're going to start by discussing The growth of our operated production in the second half or excuse me, in the first half of twenty twenty three, we've seen significant growth.

Speaker 2

There was a slight reduction from the Q1 to the second, which is Expected considering our maintenance operations, which have been programmed and planned. Our own production is also in line with what we had planned. It seems like we are going to Finish the year along what we have planned without major issues and in line with what happened in the Q2 of 2022. Our pre salt owned production, as expected, had a significant increase, which represents 78% of our own production already with more than 2,000,000 barrel equivalents coming from presalt. Next slide please.

Speaker 2

In Buzios, we have a relevant production level. We are producing 800,000 The OEDs total, it's very significant. And due to the relevance of this production In 5 years only, we have an Cumulated production of 1,000,000,000 barrels of oil, which was much faster than what we Did in Compose Marlingen in the 2P field as well. So it's extremely significant how quickly we were able to grow Our production from Buzios with these 5 units, which are the 5 original units Foreseen. We have an additional 6 that will produce oil in excess to this.

Speaker 2

Next slide please. Another important activity that we had during the Q2 was returning all of our production from the Bahia Terra cluster. We had to adapt our production there according to the new Requirements from the A and P, and we had A long contact with them with the risk analysis for all of the activities needed, and it was a new outlook on safety and how Our activities are done. So next slide please. At the end of last year, we also participated in A bid round, and we were able to acquire 3 important blocks in investment of over BRL700 1,000,000 In the Deutsche De Braava field, which is the most significant one in investments, we I acquired 100% of it and it's close to an area where we are already in production, which is very important.

Speaker 2

We want areas where we already have an infrastructure that can be used. Also, Agua Marine, we had some partners there and also Sudoyeschi Desecitari with other partners. So this consolidates our exploration strategy with profitable assets close to our activities in Borders that we already know very well. There are other frontier areas in Brazil, but these are well known areas where we Can produce with lower extraction costs and certainty of that exploration area. We're very confident We're going to get good results from these areas.

Speaker 2

And we're planning to start this exploration next year. Wells are planned for 2024. Next slide please. Within our strategy of recovering More and getting more value from the assets that we have, we concluded a major Seismic survey in 2P and IRASIEMA through partnerships. So this is a major We have very high quality images, which will allow us to plan how this area will be explored.

Speaker 2

And of course, this is a deep conversation that we're having with the A and P to decide how we can have another production in this area. So it was an extension and we expect this to have a lot of value for Petrobras And for Brazil, if we can increase the production time in these areas. Next slide. This slide shows the extraction cost for free salt, which is in line with what we had during The Q1. In mature areas, deep waters and shallow waters, naturally we would see lifting costs There's a reduction in production due to the depletion of these fields and There are also other associated costs.

Speaker 2

So the total cost of oil produced is quite significant for our financial results, Around $35 per barrel, which is in line with what we had been expecting considering all of these production Thank you, Joaoelson. Good morning. So I'm going to start my presentation here by discussing some of the advances that we had in technology. Our company has the highest number of active Patents in Brazil over 110,000. So for the 2nd year in a row, we had a record number of patents Licensed, 214 were made available for licensing, so were made available to the market.

Speaker 2

During this time, we received some awards related to innovation. We received the MIT award As one of the most innovative companies in Brazil, There's no ranking, but we are among the top most innovative companies. There we also received the Elite Awards in Nevada and the U. S. For our HAZOP program and we also received the Valor Inovacao award As one of the most innovative oil and gas companies in the world and the 2nd most innovative company In Brazil across all industries, it's our best historical result and it's a very relevant and important award for us.

Speaker 2

It shows that we're really Valuing innovation, which is so important for transformation. This is what the company has been doing and has been getting prepared for. The next slide will show some of these innovations. You can see our FPSO all electric and the next Project will include our combined cycle technology. So we're going to use all of the technology that we have in our units to reduce our emissions rate.

Speaker 2

We also saw some advances in Remote operating marine technologies, we have artificial intelligence being used by these drones, Onshore monitoring as well. We also advanced through our PEP 70 Well efficiency program, our goal is to reduce the cost of each well in presalt and PEP 70 was our goal, which is to reduce values of about $100,000,000 to $70,000,000 So we concluded this program achieving these results. And downstream, as Thomas King has said, We also had an agreement for industrial scale tests to produce bioaromatics In River and it's a refinery based on vegetable oils. So we were able to Get plant based products and next year they will be processed And tested, which can be very important for our refineries as we'll increase our FCC Load through plant based oils, also generating products with a lower carbon footprint. We advanced in our robotics So to the right, you see our Pepper robot, which is in testing for equipment inspection.

Speaker 2

And finally, on the right, we have our firefighting robot Created in a partnership with some startups, which is now being tested in a smaller version to be used in our platforms. Next slide please. This slide discusses some of our projects. At the center we see Almirante Barroso, Busios V. We started our operation there on March 35.

Speaker 2

Then Ananeri with production ramp up, To the right, we see the auction for the P-two thousand and thirty two area to find a sustainable, destiny for this platform. We had 31 new wells in operation in the first half of twenty twenty three, An increase of 25% in their interconnection, and you can see the whole of P78. This is our first project after we revitalized and reinvigorated our hiring So this is our own area that's going to operate in the Buzios field. We also have FPSO Sepechiba in Meru 2, which is headed towards Brazil. It's close to South Africa and expected to arrive by September.

Speaker 2

This will be our last unit to go into operation in 2023. And we also have FPSO, Anita Garibaldi, in its last few stages to go into production And it will start its operations in August. So Anita Garibalda is The second unit that will go into operations in the Marlin Suu field. Also we're announcing that we're publishing today the Barracuda Rifai, so this is a call for bid for a production unit that has a capacity of 100,000 barrels. And this is also part of our renewal program for, Bahia de Campos.

Speaker 2

The next slide shows some of the advances that we have downstream. We had some significant advances to expand and modernize our refinery. We also published today an auction for the second train For Renest, we're going to increase our processing capacity for that refinery from 115,000. This revamping will increase it by 15,000 and we expect to have 130,000 more in the second cycle. So the processing capacity will be 260,000 barrels of oil per day And it will generate 30,000 jobs in direct and indirect employment in Pernambu.

Speaker 2

We also see our cock drums at RBPC, which is a very challenging project. It was the biggest implementation that they ever had there and it was revitalized and modernized in our coking activity there.

Operator

Here we have an image of acid water in the replant treatment plant. Here we will add 10,000 cubic meters diesel as Ted. The works is according to the deadline and here we also recently celebrated the deployment of the Ryuk HDT work. This was a revamped work where we added a new reactor, the one that you can see And this we will have more diesel in Reduc. And the last image you can see Gaslube, we resumed the work of Gaslube.

Operator

I have to re register in record time. The last time that There was a shutdown. We needed 30 months for analysis and for a new bid and now we've resumed the gas to work in only 6 months with engineering contracts, with building, Assembling contracts and other contracts, we are here in Itaboura in the UPGE work in GasLog. And GasLog, we started The UTE, this is a project that is conditioned to an auction, and we will present a proposal throughout 2024, but we've started the contract. This is a demand for these type of auctions for this thermal plant unit.

Operator

And here I end my presentation and I will give the floor to the Chief Industrial Process and Products Officer, William Franza. Thank you, Travis. Can you hear me? Can you hear me and see me? So during this quarter, our results So we're excellent in terms of operation in our natural gas plants and refining.

Operator

Our natural gas Plant had high results here, the best in the history. The sustainability plant excellent. We also had a burning rate that this measures the quality of decarbonization in our natural gas area. We had very good burning rates. This means that we're evolving in energy efficiency lowering our carbon footprint, which is very positive.

Operator

Well, I'm sorry, I didn't say good morning to everyone. Now in our Refineries, our utilization factor was 90 3%. This is a result of our planning in logistics and marketing and allowed us to increase The utilization factor guaranteed by the excellent operational availability of our assets Here you can see our refineries. Therefore, this is a very good result, the best results since 2015. This is the best His best result in the history of refining pre salt oil in refinery input, we're almost 70%.

Operator

The oil that comes from PRISOL, we're increasing the share of PRISOL in the processing of our unit. We increased gasoline days almost 70%. And this result was positive because we ended The Revapi Reduc replenish shutdown in IPVC, although there were shutdowns in the refineries, we achieved this result. This means that we can make even more progress in the utilization factors of our refineries during the 2nd semester. William, your microphone is muted.

Operator

Our result of Oil byproducts highlighting diesel. Once again, we achieved a record engine with 2,100,000 Cubic Meters produced diesel and we will reach another record in July with 2.38. Here we have $2,380,000,000 and then we will outperform in August because we started at the end of July with 700. Our unit was readapted. We included another reactor and other off-site accessories, Zaeza.

Operator

Here we have off-site structure to produce diesel DSD with 4,000 cubic meters a day And due to our operational availability and the trust on the unit, we will outperform and we will outperform Gilat and this is to the excellent working structure of our commercialization area. This is Thomas King mentioned we have excellent result in gas emission and emission intensity. Here, we had 103 point Seven results and we reached 102 in region. That is the best historic result in all refining. We We are close to the standard number achieved by refineries.

Operator

There are refineries with something lower than 90 like in June, we had the best historic result in terms of CO2 with 37.2. This shows that we are evolving in trust increasing utilization factor and lowering our carbon footprint Regarding the assets of our refineries. Your microphone is closed once again. I would like to broaden refining to implement

Speaker 2

So we are studying some photovoltaic cells in our We are working firmly in our decarbonization process. So thank you everyone and I'll now pass it over to my friend, My long time friend, 36 years, Director Claudio, lost Thank you, William And everyone else, it's a great pleasure to be here. I'm talking about the highlights of the Office and we're going to start with this slide presenting sales of Derivatives in our market or oil product sales, Which had an increase versus 2022. We had some effects that led to this. One of them was the higher Prepetitiveness for gasoline, we also had LP seasonality LPG seasonality and diesel.

Speaker 2

The diesel effect was partially offset because during this time we saw a higher So if we look at the data from the second half of twenty twenty two, we were very aligned despite these divestments in the Raman refinery in Amazonas. One item that was mentioned by William was the excellent result of Availability, which led to historical levels in, refinery availability, which really supported The sales of these oil products, as a consequence we had lower margins, but our margins were still above our historical levels. This increase in refinement allowed us to capture this margin across all of our industries. So It reduced oil exports and we allowed the country to process more oil. As another highlight, gasoline sales grew 5% this quarter.

Speaker 2

It happened especially due to the higher competitiveness against Our main alternatives for clients. And in addition to that, we had an increase in Fuels for light vehicles that is automobiles, motorcycles, gasoline had more competitiveness versus hydrated ethanol due to tax reasons, this can be explained by tax reasons. And just for your reference, Petrobras Gas participation in the second half of twenty twenty two was 40.3 percent And in the Q2 it was 42.3 and it shows how we have significantly evolved during this cycle. Looking at the foreign market, we had higher exports due to our Production of oil products and our availability due to the concentration of programmed downtime during the first half of 2023 in Refinement. Next slide please.

Speaker 2

So this slide discusses oil sales. There was a reduction in exports, which was expected due to this increase in availability in the refinery park and the higher utilization of pre salt oil in refinery loads. And this adds a lot of value to how these assets are generating value. We had about 150,000 barrels per day produced nationally in comparison to other quarters. Another point that allows us to understand this variation was the inventory in the Q1.

Speaker 2

So It was favored in the Q1 because we were carrying out some ongoing exports from the previous year, Which ended up being carried out in the Q1. So that had an impact of 100,000 barrels a day. Next slide, please. The next topic is the approval of the new commercial strategy. This was widely communicated and I'd like to take this opportunity to underscore that this was a very positive change for Petrobras.

Speaker 2

We started having more room to work in our commercial strategy. And of course, this is aligned with the best Production conditions, our refinement assets, the use of our logistical assets to have much more competitive prices and to be able to compete in markets that add value to the company. So overall, This measure optimizes our refinement and logistics assets. Another essential value that was Recorded in this strategy was the mitigation of volatility peaks, which gives our clients a more stable price environment. This allows us to work in balance with the international market in a way that is sustainable and profitable.

Speaker 2

Next slide, please. This is my last slide in the presentation. It was Widely discussed and presented by Masking, our Director. And I'd just like to underscore our hybrid vessel. Not only does it reduce emissions, but it also reduces costs.

Speaker 2

And this is a part of our Avansalag program, Which is focusing on better reliability and safety, but also In logistics costs, so this was an important effort that was carried out. We are advancing significantly in reducing Emissions. And I can also mention the new test that we Are performing using 24 percent biodiesel produced from plant sources. And there's also a Pioneer process of green recycling of 1 Line, which is following international ESG best practices. So that's all we had to say.

Speaker 2

Thank you for your attention and we'll give the floor back to Carlo. Thank you, Schlosser. And we're now going to begin the questions and answer session. The first question we got was from Vicente Falanga from For DISCO BBI. And he asks Sergio.

Speaker 2

Sergio, how do you see the company's Minimum optimal cash $28,000,000,000 Can you work with less than that? Hello, Vicente. I hope you are doing well. Well, we are still creating a strategic plan for 2024 to 2028. As you know, these answers will be addressed in the projections that will happen in this plan.

Speaker 2

But I'd like to remind you that Our minimal cash is 5,000,000 dollars in our PL. So our reference is 8,000,000,000. So this is well in line. That's our idea. We want to keep it like that.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Thank you, Sergio. The next question was also asked by Vicente. It's a question for Schlosser. Schlosser, Petrobras is selling gasoline below marginal levels.

Speaker 2

For how long does the pricing committee believe that this kind of discount will be sustainable for? Shlotsur, you have to turn on your microphone. Thank you, Karla. Vicente, thank you for your question. As we presented before, the Essential value of our commercial strategy is based on 3 points to be competitive, having competitive prices for our clients and Generating assets through marginal value.

Speaker 2

And another very important value is International volatility. So we're providing to our clients price stability. What we're seeing right now Is a lot of uncertainty about the global economy. And this affects the demand for energy, how much is And the supply of oil and fuel due to these geopolitical issues, the Ukraine war. So this short term Combination of factors led to high volatility in the market.

Speaker 2

The reference levels adopted by the international market Fluctuated wildly. And another important point is an inflow of Russian products to Brazil. Our monitoring Shows that in July, Russian diesel was over 80% of Our production in Brazil. So we're monitoring the market every day and whenever it's necessary, we will have readjustments in our commercial strategy. Obviously, we can't advance these decisions yet.

Speaker 2

So thank you for your question, Carla.

Operator

Next question from Gabriel Barja from Citibank is for Joel Joel, so could you elaborate on the information regarding the government discussions with the environmental authority Regarding the Fozde Amazonas de Margin de Cuatorial development, how much will you invest in exploration and development. Could Suriname and Guyana be an alternative for long term investments? Thank you, Gabriel, for your question. Well, the Equatorial Management margin has 5 basis that goes from Rio Grande do Norte until the Amazon Basin in Amapa. So we initiated Our environmental licensing projects in 2 basins, Fozia Amazon and Portugal, In a sequence of wells, 1 in Amazon and another wells in the Pochigua Basin.

Operator

And we already supplied all the information requested by IBAMA for these two areas. These two licensing processes Already from Petrobras' point of view and we have let the government view The government is informed by all of our actions and we have exchanged information with IBAMA, that is environmental Agency trying to ask questions. In July, we ended this communication. So now this is being analyzed by IBAMA. We have no pending issues and we depend, we don't have to give any more Regarding investments, well we expect in our planning and 16 wells in the 5 Bays since in 5 years.

Operator

This is an Shori investment of $3,000,000,000 in these areas. All the areas here in Latin America and Also Western Africa are of our interest because they're similar to our activities. We have planned Exploratory activities for Colombia next year in Suriname, Uruguay and Africa. Our exploratory team is in communication and is paying attention to auctions and is talking to partners. These are areas where we will possibly invest, But this is still under negotiation and we have to wait for the end of these negotiations.

Operator

We are reassured that this year we will be able to initiate one of the most advanced basins in terms of licensing process And this would be a first well. So thank you very much, Joelle. So we have an additional question from Gabriel Barabas, Braskin, according to there is a discussion regarding the sale of asking and some are interested in buying the control of a company. Could you give us the view of the management regarding the prospects for the oil sector and investment, should this be a long term focus for Petrobras, the petrochemical sector? As Marfey as he's facing technical problems, we will go to the next question and Sergio will answer the question about Brasquing.

Operator

Can you hear me? So thank you. Thank you for the question. The operators are questioning these proposals together with a partner. In our strategic plan, they mentioned the management of the company.

Operator

I'm sorry, we're having sound problems. I would like to apologize. We're receiving very choppy sound. This is a business that makes sense for our company and the mid and the long run. Thank you, Sergio.

Operator

The next question from Bruno Montanari, Morgan Stanley. It's for Schlosser Regarding the company's commercial policy, there are questions regarding market international reference with dispersion and parity accounts that go from 10% to 30% currently. Now naturally, each player has a cost structure, which hinders the comparison. Now From the Petrobras system point of view, could you mention in average where the price of the company is when we compare to the marginal bands and the cost of the client. Bruno, thank you for your question.

Operator

Here we have the opportunity to reflect on each one of the agents to perform in the Brazilian market. For instance, you're talking about parity, these The dispersion of the indicators, this demonstrates how the supply alternatives are different or can be depending on the scale, infrastructure, logistic costs, and this is all reflected on the efficiency of this agent And when they import certain byproduct in terms of Petrobras, we also have our own costs and and also the important export fronts of oil or fuel. Our efficiency is significant because we've implemented this type of logistic. So when we implement this commercial strategy, we already incorporate within it All of these elements, these are the elements these are differential competitive Elements of Petrobras, so we have the best production conditions and logistic conditions And this is one of the elements of our commercial strategy as a competitive price mitigating market volatility as we see currently as we mentioned. Now regarding the current positioning of the price, Regarding reference marginal value, we cannot disclose this because we would expose data that is very sensitive for the company from the competition point of view.

Operator

So this is it. So thank you very much, Slacer. The This question is for you from Bruno Montaneda regarding the commercial policy. Assuming that the independent importer is in competitive in terms of price. How can the company believe that the market will balance from here and due The structural need to import diesel and gasoline can Petrobras import with a competitive margins.

Operator

What about Russian diesel, would the company consider importing Russian diesel for the market. Well, now regarding the market balance, it is very important to remember that The greatest diesel importers and gas for Brazil are the distributing companies. They make up their mix with different suppliers nationally, international, and this from different origins. This could be Russia. When we analyze the month of July, we can see that over 80% of the imported diesel by third parties to Brazil came from Russia.

Operator

This is a product that presents certain restrictions from sanctions, but it has flown in the international market. Now from our side, we are meeting the commitments with our customers. We are Optimizing our refining complex, broadening the use of our cluster and our logistic assets And complementing our national offering with very specific import, Petrobras tries to optimize its operations of foreign trade to use its logistic capacity and analyzing the synergies of its assets. With this, what happens at the end of the line with promising results is that We practice competitive margins regarding the margins offered by other players that are not integrated. So regarding opportunities, import of Russian diesel, we are constantly assessing The risks and returns, as I said, there are particularities regarding the sanction.

Operator

And this is why we observe closely the sanction loss Regarding Petrobras Global Activities. So thank you, Schlosser. The next Question from Bruno Amorim from Goldman Sachs. And this is geared to Sergio regarding the dividend policy. The new policy was very clear, but this means that all know free cash flow will be for dividend payout and buyback.

Operator

Can you pay an extraordinary dividends at the beginning of next year? Do you intend to drop the net debt of the company? Thank you for your question. In reality, Our dividend payout policy is similar to our past policy. We're have they're having problems with the sound again.

Operator

Can you hear me? Well, your audio is a little bit choppy. Unfortunately, the sound of my laptop isn't very good. As I said, the current policies to pay the payout of extraordinary dividends. So yes, we expect to pay out these dividends.

Operator

The decision is going to depend on the technical analysis of the company in the short, mid and long run and then the analysis of certain adjustments and now these adjustments will be concentrated at the end of the year when we have a general outlook of the results of the company throughout the entire year. Now regarding the Net debt, the financial debt is dropping. Our debt is impacted by the charter, but it's at a comfortable level regarding RPL. And the levels are very are according to what we expect in our strategic plan, but we also follow-up. There could be a fine tuning throughout our next strategic plan.

Operator

And thank you for your question. Thank you, Sergio. The next question from Liliana Yang from HSBC. And she said in this management, will Petrobras take their investments to a new level? Can you talk about the strategic view regarding energy transition.

Operator

Could you elaborate on the rationale in expanding Investments in Biofuel and negotiations with you, Nigel. And when can we expect an announcement of a complete strategic planned for 2024 between 2028. Now Thomas King and William have the floor in order to answer the question. I am going to start talking about Energy Transition and Biofuels. And then I will give it back to William that will talk about fertilizers And Unigail, and he will give us necessary information.

Operator

So thank you very much for this question. There are 3 main reasons why Petrobras will embark in the biofuel business. Number 1 will be that Brazil is one of the countries with the greatest amount of available land, water and so these Three factors together, there are very few countries that present these three factors together. Number 2 is that Despite the electrification of a number of transportation means all the logistics of the country is for liquid fuels. So to use biofuel, well, you leverage The existing logistics factor number 3 is highly connected to Petrobras that is that we can use or we can adapt the existing refining units to produce this biofuel.

Operator

So Petrobras has a comparative advantage when we compare it to other players because These are adaptations of existing units and Petrobras has an excellent trajectory in all segments in highway transportation. It's to put the vegetable oil in I would be between 5%, 7% together with oil and this is produced Through treatment, they produce diesel and therefore this is a patent from SEMS, from the research center. Then we have air transportation with a unit that is dedicated where you can only use vegetable oil And then you can produce fuel and there will be a major demand throughout the world as of 2027 because there is a mandate that all companies will have to decarbonize themselves as of this period. There will be a SAF, there will be a worldwide demand for SAF and Petrobras has an advantage maritime transportation where that we mentioned. We are carrying out a experience of vessels that combined biodiesel to their and we also have a biodiesel production and we produced the bunker and that there is an advantage here.

Operator

And finally, the petrochemical industry, which is a major trend, How to produce plastics? So There is a test that will be performed in the Rio Grandezevre refinery using bio oil and vegetable oil. Therefore, from the strategic point of view, if there is a country that has to embark in biofuels Brazil. And if there is a company that has to embark in biodiesel in Brazil, it's Pinto Abrais because precisely we have all the refining investments and therefore it is possible to adapt They're our refining units. Now I will give it back to William that is in charge of refining, and he will talk about fertilizers.

Operator

And he will answer the question about Unigel, partly. So thank you very much. Liliana, thank you for your question. It is interesting when you ask this, number 1, that the Specialization is important when you see how things complement themselves. Talking refining, petrochemical And the fertilizing production fertilizer production.

Operator

So we are studying fertilizers. We are analyzing the return of the company to fertilizers. We are already working with a working group coordinated by the officers in order to start up this. There is an advantage that it doesn't need natural gas. It could use asphalt Residue from Reparra.

Operator

So the refinery from Parana complements and Lanza that is right beside the refinery. Therefore, we are assessing the economic Feasibility, as you mentioned, to start UFN3, we have a work This is a gas plant with 80% that is 80% mechanic. We are studying how we complete the FN3, 3 glagolesta will have capacity of 3,200 tonnes day of urea of ammonia. So we are also we Complement, we GasLogo where We will have the production of lubricant using oil gas from Reduc. There is a plant that will start in the middle of the year.

Operator

And in this plant, we will have a CO2 plus production. Now this CO2 +, this is rich in raw material to produce ethane to ethane polypropylene. We have a non compete with Braskem, but because of this, Brascang is very important, as Sergio mentioned. So it will be very important here due to for the size and the integration of Braskeng with this process. So the integration with the refining industries is very because they supply enough natural gas because of our refineries are right beside our complex like Amazade, Rio de Janeiro, Red B side, Duke, Imawa, B side, Rec Up and Trio for Bio Refap.

Operator

There is a Strong integration with raw material, petrochemicals, lubricants and also fertilizers as well where GasLog will have remaining of 2,000,000 cubic meters of gas that we will be able to use for Fertilizers as well for an addition integration for a bio fine Planned using totally green raw material and producing biodiesel diesel R100 And RSAF, our sustainable aviation fuel, what is this? This is the use of refined hydrogen with green raw material. We will carry out a test in November in the Rio Grandeense refinery with Ultra in Braskem. This is a green refinery. We will have 2,000 tons of soybean in our catalytic cracking unit to produce green naphtha and green propene.

Operator

We're talking about Raw material that comes from renewable sources for petrochemical plants and this will be successful. This is an international patent. We trust Semp and this will be the 1st totally good refinery in the country. So we are complementing petrochemical, biorefining, lubricants, fertilizers and refining. Thank you for the question.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Tomas King. Thank you, William. The next Question will be asked by Rodrigo Almeida from Santander Bank for Schlosser and William again. After nearly 3 months of the new pricing policy being announced, what advances have you made in gaining competitiveness for the company Considering the competition with Russian diesel, how are internal production costs and commercial costs Changed with the increase in production. Is there any significant cost dilution?

Speaker 2

How has the company dealt with the higher production of Products that have a limited demand in the domestic market. Rodrigo, our entire commercial work As its starting point, a planning process that is quite complex. It involves over 100,000 variables, 40,000 restrictions. So it's a very complex process, but what I can tell you is that I joined the company 36 years ago and our process was exactly That. It was based on that foundation.

Speaker 2

And not only petrochemical companies around the world are adopting this planning mechanism. And it takes into consideration, for example, the Production of each kind of oil per refinery, per unit, And it also uses all of the logistics restrictions, which are also placed there. And what why do we depend on the model? What information do we get from it? As a final result, we optimize our refinement and logistics Asset, so what we're seeking are economic assessments for each of our operations And for each production alternative that we have, both taking oil to some refinery or exporting it.

Speaker 2

Similarly, following this planning model, we have different production fronts from all sorts of our oil products. It analyzes changes and quality. So its entire goal is to find a more efficient process. So the utilization of our refineries and increasing production was supported By these economic assessments, and they had a very positive result for the company. Considering costs as you mentioned, I would draw your attention to this.

Speaker 2

Most of the costs The cost of the product sold is Mostly including the entire business, a result of the raw material, oil. If we add in the energy it takes for it to be produced, Len, it's basically over 90%. So the dilution effect Is basically in existence, so we don't really take it into consideration in our planning and optimization Plans. So in the operational plan, we don't take Listen to account. A lot of it is connected to Debrett.

Speaker 2

I don't know if William has any comments about this, but I'll pass it over to him. Thank you, Claudio. Yes, that was a good question, Rodrigo. Thank you. To add to what Claudio said, our refinery cost Has a synergy across all of our refineries.

Speaker 2

Some of them have a higher cost due to their complexity, location, and others Have a lower cost, but since there is a synergy across all kinds of refinement, our cost is about $2 for $2.5 per barrel, which is quite reasonable considering our refinement. And even considering the last program to downtime, which increased our cost, We were able to keep that stability around $2 to $2.5 per barrel. And I'd also like to highlight this, we're getting very good utilization factors around the level of 90 3% to 95%. In May, we had 95%. In June, we were able to stay at 93%.

Speaker 2

Obviously, this depends on planning as was said. So planning is what is going to define what load is received at each refinery, The different products of course and obviously we have Availability, which is a significant factor. Looking at our systems, They have a certain maximum load, but we also have maximum loads that are adjusted and authorized by Agencies. So it defines the maximum loads that we have with environmental agencies. So this is due to Planning and we hope to work at 95 or even a bit higher, but of course it will depend on the demand of Our logistics provider.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Thank you, William. The second question from Rodrigo is from Sergio and he asks about capital allocation. So Sergio, I'd like to understand if the additional projects for energy transition being studied are influencing your minimal cash And your reference cash indications that you passed to us before. In theory, the company will conclude 2023 with cash levels above the indications that we have for the minimum and for the reference.

Speaker 2

And it would be interesting to learn a bit more about what will be done with this excess cash on the short term. Hi, Rodrigo. Thank you for that question. As I said before, We are at a very comfortable position in cash. We don't have on the horizon any sort of radical Changes to manage excess cash and excess cash can be used to pay additional dividends, It can become additional dividends if the administrators understand that that's the best use for our capital.

Speaker 2

So thank you very much again. Thank you, Sergio. Still on this topic, we got a question from Pedro Soares from BTG Pactual addressed to you. He would like to know a bit more about extraordinary dividend payouts. We know that this possibility is established in our payout policy, but we would like to hear from you if it would make sense to have a new statutory reserve to use resources to expand the company or if that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2

And if there is an extraordinary payout, will it only be defined when we receive results from the 4th quarter? Hi, Pedro. Thank you for your question. So some of it has been addressed in the previous answer, but yes, the Extra results may be used for payouts, extraordinary or additional payouts. But if a reserve is created, considering what you said, since it doesn't It would need to be approved by an extraordinary shareholders meeting and we would need to have a justification for it, but it is feasible Connected to but it needs to be connected to shareholders and their interests need to be represented.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Sergio. The next question is from Ronik Veta from Itau BBA and it will be addressed to Spinelli. So Spinelli, can you tell us a bit about the first impressions you've had since you took on this position? And if you can tell us what has been your focus In your office. Hi, Monique.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Good morning and thank you for your question. I knew this office because I was an ombudsman for the company for nearly 6 years. So we have a governance system at Petrobras which has already been robust But can be strengthened. Our compliance participates in decision making processes.

Speaker 2

So Whatever decisions are received by the Board are examined by our governance department. And when it Comes to compliance, we also have a very robust system. And this is paying attention to new challenges. So in our compliance We have been looking at all acquisitions of sexual harassment in the company, which is very important even for our reputation. So we're going to try to make compliance come closer to the business, working with our managers.

Speaker 2

And similarly, it's important to highlight that when we need to work With a more impressive initiative, we just had the 10 year anniversary of the Anti Corruption Act in Brazil. But you have to know that Petrobras is the company that most uses, most enforces this act, that most punishes For corruption. Of course, we don't want it to happen, but when it does happen, we need to punish it. So over 90 1,000,000 have been applied in fines to companies. There's been a volume of sanction applied to all levels of the government and Petrobras represents 21% of them.

Speaker 2

So I had the opportunity of working with This is Bill, and I'm very happy to see how Petrobras is using it. And the most important part is that 61% of these sanctions Or the initiative is being enforced by us, by our directors. So identifying Regularity was done by the manager itself, which shows that our compliance culture is being spread across the company. So these are some of our results and future challenges. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Spinelli. The next question From Monique, we'll be asked to William. William, even with the maintenance carried out in the last The company has maintained high utilization levels for its refineries. Is there still some space to increase these utilization rates? What would be the desired level for a refinery or for the entire refinery structure?

Speaker 2

Well, I've answered a similar question to that, but I'll add in some information. We've been able to get very high utilization factors, increasing availability. I'm sorry, your microphone was closed, Willy. So as I said, we Have higher availability in our refineries considering our commercial and logistical plan, but there is an essential factor here.

Operator

[SPEAKER SRINIVASAN VENKATAKRISHNAN:] We need

Speaker 2

to well, we have good availability, but we have to ensure that all Aspects are respected, including safety, environment, integrity, and that includes diversity. So we've talked about diversity before and we need to maintain the same levels. So We're very happy to say that we have Recordable incident rates in our refinery infrastructure of 0.37, which is the global benchmark. Of course, we can't rest on those laurels. We know that SMS is a running truck.

Speaker 2

You always have to Pay attention to the break because if you let go, it won't go down. So you always have to keep attention and respect all of the procedures That will ensure that your activities are done safely, respecting the environment, respecting people, Their global health and with integrity. Okay, Monique. So it's very important to highlight that operational results are important, but they need to be done sustainably. Thank you for your question.

Speaker 2

Thank you, William. We're going to repeat Gabriel Barra's question about Braskem to Sergio since he had a technical issue. Sergio? There's a discussion on selling Braskem and some People are interested in buying it. So can you give us the management's take on these investments in the petrochemical industry?

Speaker 2

Should this Gabriel, thank you. We didn't get enough sound during the first part of my answer, but Around May, we launched a review of the company's strategic directives, and this guides a new plan, which is ongoing. It takes 1 year to generate these strategic plans, so It's at the end of its conclusion. So With diversification for petrochemicals and fertilizers, This will allow us to look at petrochemicals differently. So it's also important to see that major integrated companies have A strong position in Petro Chemicals.

Speaker 2

Petrobras has a strong stake at Braskem because We understood that petrochemicals were important to develop our business as a whole. So this integration provides value And there's a matter of long term security here since the long term scenario is lower Margins, for example, for gasoline. So we will require oil to be used in more noble purposes. So if you consider these three things that Braskem has a strategic compliance allowing it to or determining it to Diversify in the petrochemical industry. If you look at the medium and long term And the importance for the resilience of our business, yes, we can consider that petrochemicals are very attractive and aligned to our long term strategy.

Speaker 2

Thank you for your question. The next question is from Luis Carvalho from EVS Tushilozap. He's asking for the national spread of gasoline on Brent was at negative levels. Other local products could export diesel at these levels, but From our understanding, both points represent that the company is below the marginal price levels. So how do you understand this?

Speaker 2

Does this assumption make sense? Can Petrobras be below its pricing interval? Exporting for marginal value, does that make sense for the company? Thank you, Luis, for your question. This topic involves marginal values for Petrobras.

Speaker 2

So as a highlight I'd like to highlight that this is a result of a complex operational plan, as we said before, involving different areas and The alternatives that we have to run our business. What I would add about to what has already been said is that basically Refining is a joint process. So when you're refining a barrel of oil, you're not producing a single Product, you have a basket of gas products and the relationship between them influences The marginal value of 1 to the other. So to summarize it, For these reasons, the marginal values is not limited to exportation. It involves production, importing The product, so it cannot be only compared to exportation.

Speaker 2

And the other value that we have to highlight here Is the mitigation due to volatility peaks in the market? We have a very volatile market. If we looked at the previous strategy, Petrobras Would make these adjustments immediately for this volatility and Would provide stability for their clients. So we were able to overcome this moment and we're still monitoring the Domestic and international markets. And when we have to adjust the prices up or down, we will, According to technical parameters in our commercial strategy.

Speaker 2

Karla? Thank you, Shlomo. The next question from Luis Carvalho is for Sergio and it asks about the strategical plan. Sergio, the strategical plan Included diversification. Now as the plan is being developed, What have been your focus in your internal discussions?

Speaker 2

Will you make more organic investments or is there a potential for mergers and acquisitions? How much diversification is the company considering? 6% or 15% of the CapEx direction for low carbon, would that also include these activities, the natural chemical, Renewable developments or should we see new investments in M and As?

Operator

This range between 6% 15% is specific for energy transition in the world. There is a business of low carbon actions and initiatives of low carbon. Today, 6% that we see in the CapEx, the use of 6% of Petrobras CapEx is 4 point $4,000,000,000 and it is used and it is part of our way of operating internally, decarbonizing our operations and this has been successful. We are amongst the greatest investors in decarbonizing the operations of oil and gas. Now it's obvious that Petrobras has to recover a space that was left behind.

Operator

We did go towards scope 3 of decarbonization and there is this range. We established this range between 6% 15%, specifically for energetic Transition decarbonization of our operations and new investments. Any M and A that emerges in the area will Within the range between 6% 15%. It has to be within the range of CapEx allocation. Now for these new investments, Petrobras has decided the upper management has decided to embark in partnerships with big companies like Petrobras because we do understand that partnerships foster the accelerated transference of the know how and they mitigate a read that is inherent when you embark in a new business area.

Operator

The company may consider an M and A or a certain acquisition as long as it is between 6% 15%. But these M and As must meet a number of criteria, strategic compliance, Strategic compliance, whatever is the M and A, it has to be accordance with our strategic planning. It has to be in compliance. We are not going to invest in transition for the sake of investing. The economic part is important.

Operator

We need a return. We need a consistent cost structure. So dimension And strategic compliance would be the main criteria that we take into account when we think about mergers and acquisitions. There's the next question from Regis Cardoso from Credit Suisse. It's for Schlosser.

Operator

It's about fuel prices. Can we guarantee to see a country's supply when there is high volatility and international prices could Petrobras be forced to increase it import levels taking to although it can take it could result in economic losses. What is the share of Russian fuel in Brazil? Well, the Brazilian market is properly supplied and there are a number of agents that work in this market. So in addition to Petrobras, there are other national companies.

Operator

We have distributing companies. We have diesel and gas importers, independent importers and even distributors are The main importers and in addition there is an alternative of biofuels now. When we talk about Russian diesel, there has been an evolution since the beginning of the year, reaching values above 80% in July. And this environment results in great Competitiveness of Petrobrasix is a market share that allows us to use Our assets, our logistics structure and our refining assets creating value in a sustainable fashion and also part of our commercial strategy. So thank you, Schlosser.

Operator

We have a last question that is for you, for Rodolfo Angeli, JPMorgan and May Petrobras published a new policy price seeing opportunity costs for clients and opportunities for Petrobras. How can the Russian diesel dynamic and the refining capacity will impact The 2nd semester, could you talk about the range of gasoline prices currently? So thank you Rodolfo. I would just like to highlight the commercial strategy and its evolution in the past. There was A reference that was the price of import parity.

Operator

Ours has been implemented. It is underway. We have 2 market references. One is the alternative cost of the client and the other one is the marginal cost. The Russian diesel is an additional Alternative for supply and we already mentioned this.

Operator

Now simultaneously, the Essential part of our commercial strategy is volatility of prices. Nonetheless, We continuously are seeking the optimization of our refining assets and seeking Other opportunities like import and the export of oil and byproducts to create more value for the company. Now regarding margins and positioning because of the competition, we cannot disclose our position visavis No references, but we want to clarify that each agent has its own characteristics for production, for import. Here we have a logistics system for supply and even with other alternatives and this results and commercial strategies that are totally different from these agents with diversity that results in a new dynamic for the market. So now I give it back to you.

Operator

So thank you very much, Schlosser. So now we bring our Q and A session to an end. Should you have additional questions, they can be sent to our IR team and the presentation of the event is available in our site. And in brief, we will make available the audio. Thank you very much and have a very good day.

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