NASDAQ:LUXH LuxUrban Hotels Q2 2023 Earnings Report $0.06 0.00 (-6.10%) As of 05/6/2025 03:04 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast LuxUrban Hotels EPS ResultsActual EPS$9.10Consensus EPS $3.50Beat/MissBeat by +$5.60One Year Ago EPSN/ALuxUrban Hotels Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$31.86 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/ALuxUrban Hotels Announcement DetailsQuarterQ2 2023Date8/8/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, August 9, 2023Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsLuxUrban Hotels' Q4 2024 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, May 7, 2025Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptQuarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by LuxUrban Hotels Q2 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrAugust 9, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. And it is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Devin Sullivan, Managing Director of The Equity Group. Operator00:00:08Thank you, Devin. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:11Thank you, John. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for Luxe Urban Hotels 2023 Second Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. Our speakers for today will be Brian Ferdinand, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Shanuq Kothari, the company's President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that during this call, we will be discussing forward looking statements, including with respect to financial and operational guidance, the success of the company's collaboration with Wyndham Hotels and Resorts, scheduled property openings, expected closing of noted lease transactions, the company's ability to continue closing on additional leases for properties in the company's pipeline, as well as the company's anticipated ability to commercialize efficiently and profitably the properties it leases and will lease in the future. Speaker 100:00:56These forward looking statements are based on current expectations and beliefs concerning future developments and their potential effect on the company. There can be no assurance that future developments will be those that have been anticipated. These forward looking statements are subject to a number of risks, uncertainties, some of which are beyond our control or other assumptions that may cause actual results or performance to be materially different from those expressed in or implied by these forward looking statements, including those set forth under the caption Risk Factors in our public filings with the SEC, including in Item 1A for our 10 ks for the year ended December 31, 2022, and in Item 1A of our Form 10 Q for the 3 months ended June 30, 2023. The forward looking information and forward looking statements are made as of today's date, and the company does not undertake to update any forward looking information and or forward looking statements that are contained or referenced herein, except in accordance with applicable securities law. Management will also be discussing non GAAP financial metrics. Speaker 100:01:55A reconciliation of these non GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP measures can be found in the company's press release. With that said, I'll now turn the call over to Brian Ferdinand, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Luxe Urban Hotels. Brian, please go ahead. Speaker 200:02:10Thank you, Devin. Good morning and thank you for joining us today. Almost 1 year to the day after completing our initial public offering, I am proud of what we've been able to accomplish operationally, financially and culturally. These last several quarters have been a transformative period for Luxurban. And I am happy to say that we have entered the second half of twenty twenty three in the strongest position in our history to drive future growth, enhance cash flow, capture the benefits of scale and deliver long term value to our shareholders. Speaker 200:02:43In the Q2 of 2023, we generated record net rental revenue, EBITDA and cash net income. On an adjusted basis, we reported our 8th consecutive quarter of cash based net net income and 7th consecutive quarter of positive EBITDA. We transformed our financial profile by eliminating the entirety of the approximately $9,800,000 of senior secured debt held by our free IPO lenders and an estimated $87,500,000 in future revenue share payments, all while pursuing a focused high conviction commitment to growth and profitability. When compared to December 31, 2022 year end, our quarter end cash position more than tripled. Total debt and net debt each declined significantly and shareholders' equity improved by nearly $17,000,000 We continue to pursue a significant pipeline opportunity that's accelerating as hotel owners facing upcoming debt maturities. Speaker 200:03:45Deal flow remains incredibly strong, which allows us to pursue only the most favorable properties in deal structures to advance our growth. We continue to adhere to strict operating controls and we believe that we currently have the lowest per night property level breakeven costs in the markets we serve. We also transformed the arc of our anticipated growth by announcing a partnership with Wyndham Hotels and Resorts, the world's largest hotel franchise company. Highlights of the deal include the Luxe Urban Hotels initially being added to the Wyndham portfolio are expected to be integrated into the Trademark brand and in turn Wyndham's booking channels by the end of the year, likely sooner. By using Wyndham's platform, we expect to see a significant reduction in commissions and online booking fees compared to our prior operations. Speaker 200:04:38As a reminder, the Wyndham rewards program serves more than 100,000,000 members. We have already begun the integration and it's underway. Wyndham will provide Lux Urban with significant upfront initial non dilutive working capital and growth capital based primarily on Luxurban's existing property portfolio with ongoing non dilutive acquisition and working capital to be provided by Wyndham to fund future MLAs. Luxurban's properties covered under this agreement will operate on Wyndham's world class operational and customer service support systems, which are expected to enhance Luxurban's cash flow by optimizing enterprise wide operating efficiencies and Luxurban will remain operating control of its hotels, while being jointly branded and marketed in partnership with Wyndham. We're incredibly enthusiastic about our alignment with Wyndham and believe that the financial brand and operating advantages will make Luxor even more attractive solution for property owners looking to employ our asset like triple net lease alternatives, while maintaining ownerships of their asset. Speaker 200:05:45With that, I'll turn it over to Shanuk Bathory, our President and Chief Financial Officer, for a review of our financials. Speaker 300:05:53Thank you, Brian. We reported another strong quarter and continued to validate the growth and earnings power inherent in our model. Net rental revenue tripled to $31,900,000 from last year's 2nd quarter, driven primarily by an increase in average units available to rent from 565 in Q222 to 1086 in Q2 2023 as well as improved revenue per available room or RevPAR. Year to date RevPAR rose to 291 from 183 in Q222 and from 247 at December 31, 2022. 2Q20 23 total cash rent expense was $4,800,000 or 15.2 percent of net rental revenue compared to $2,100,000 or 20.9 percent of net rental revenue in the same period last year. Speaker 300:06:47Non cash rent expense amortization was $2,600,000 up from $1,100,000 in Q2 'twenty two. Gross profit rose to $10,200,000 or 31.8 percent of net rental revenue from $2,900,000 or 28 percent of net rental revenue in Q222. G and A expenses increased to $4,400,000 or 13.9 percent of net rental revenue compared to $900,000 or $8,700,000 in Q2 'twenty two. Our net loss for the Q2 was $26,800,000 or $0.78 per share as compared to net income of $762,000 or $0.04 per share in the Q2 of last year. The primary driver of the net loss was a $28,500,000 onetime non cash financing charge associated with the revenue share agreement that eliminated an estimated $87,500,000 in future revenue share payments that we would have been contracted to pay. Speaker 300:07:50We also incurred a $1,200,000 onetime cash interest and financing costs associated with the retirement of debt and related premiums associated with this. While these charges did impact our results, they should not mask the positive impact of the elimination of these revenue share payment obligations we would have had on our business over the long term, primarily by removing the drag on our financial results, increasing our access to growth capital and providing financial flexibility. Exclusive of these items, adjusted cash net income improved to $7,200,000 up from just under $1,900,000 in last year's Q2 and EBITDA improved to $8,400,000 Going forward, we will not have charges related to financing, but we'll continue to have regular stock compensation expense associated with equity grants and non cash rent expense amortization associated with ASC 842. For the quarter ended June 30, 2023, our EBITDA margin increased to 26.5%. As we've discussed last quarter, our goals are to achieve 20 plus percent EBITDA margins in the short term and 25 plus percent EBITDA margins over the long term. Speaker 300:09:06We reiterate this guidance. During the June 2023 quarter, our units hosting guests rose to 1086 from 988 in the prior quarter and 479 in 2Q 'twenty 2. Moving to the balance sheet. At June 30, cash and cash equivalents totaled 3,800,000 dollars a $2,700,000 improvement from December 31, 2022. Restricted cash was unchanged at $1,100,000 Total debt at quarter end declined to $4,600,000 from $14,000,000 at December 31, 2022, and net debt in the quarter and was around $800,000 down from $10,300,000 at year end 2022. Speaker 300:09:53We continue to work on our payables and working capital and made strides during the quarter. Our working capital position narrowed to a negative $2,400,000 at June 30, 2023 from a negative $13,500,000 at December 31, 2022. However, removing short term lease liabilities, our working capital for June 30, 2023 was positive $3,700,000 versus a negative $9,600,000 at December 31, 2022. That said, we will continue to work towards improving our liquidity and working capital throughout the balance of the year. During the quarter, we deployed $4,000,000 in security deposits and for the 6 months over $8,000,000 As we have stated previously, we continue to make efforts in improving free cash flow and liquidity and look to improve these metrics while continuing to reduce our debt over the coming quarters. Speaker 300:10:49Looking at our portfolio at June 30, 2023 and today. As of June 30, we operated 12 properties, 1086 units in 5 cities. As of today, we operate 15 properties with 14 11 units hosting guests in New York, Los Angeles, Miami, Washington and New Orleans. We have under we currently have under MLA 17 properties totaling 1625 short term rental units. As of June 30, 2023, across our portfolio, our investment and security deposits were $13,554 per unit with the high being at New York at $17,307 and the low end in New Orleans and D. Speaker 300:11:33C. At $5,000 $6,329 respectively per unit. We expect these amounts to remain relatively consistent in the near future. Regarding guidance, we have maintained our net rental revenue and EBITDA guidance for 2023 2024. We expect that all in RevPAR for 2023 will be between $250,000,000 $280,000,000 and we expect gross margins of 30% to 40%. Speaker 300:12:01G and A, excluding noncash items, will approximate 10% to 12% during the year. We believe that this will result in EBITDA margins of 20% to 25 plus percent. We continue to expect year end operating units to be between 2,503,000 short term hotel units under MLA, up from 844 at December 31, 2022 and 1625 as of today. The timing to reach the goal of between 2,503,000 units may positively impact our revenue guidance for the year. A few additional comments about the Wyndham partnership. Speaker 300:12:41We estimate key money reduced by required CapEx provides us over $15,000,000 of synthetic financing over the course of the initial stages of the agreement. We believe this could increase over time subject to, 1, how we perform under the agreement 2, the quality of the pipeline and 3, continued dialogue with our partner. The transaction provides us significant benefits, reducing operating expenses when we drive booking traffic to Wyndham's booking channels. Based on our expected case, we believe we will improve RevPAR, which will impact us starting 2024 and reduce OTA costs by about onethree based on our current booking fees. The net impact once we're fully operational will be after year end. Speaker 300:13:32Finally, we have yet to quantify the secondary benefits of staffing and resources at Lux Urban as we continue to become more dependent on Wyndham for items we're currently head on an operational basis. With that, I'll turn the conversation back over to Brian. Speaker 200:13:50Thank you, Shanu. I believe we're going to open this up for questions now. Just want to thank everyone for participating. And I'll turn it over to Devin to open up for questions. Operator00:14:12Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. And the first question comes from the line of Allen Klee with Maxim Group. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:14:43Good morning. Congrats on a very strong quarter. When I look at one area where there was a strong positive variance compared to our model was your revenue per available room. Could you just give some color on what there's a lot of things that go into RevPAR? What drove the jump there? Speaker 400:15:07Thank you. Speaker 300:15:13Yes, sure. I'll take that. So, Alan, so the jump so we did $257,000,000 last quarter. The jump to the $291,000,000 for the 6 months is related to timing of certain higher quality properties that came on primarily early part of the second quarter, as well as sort of pickup for the summer season, coupled with sort of a down the downside of the January side. So a little bit better than we expected, but I think it's just related to the higher quality average properties that were put on at the early part of the quarter. Speaker 400:15:55Thank you. In terms of Wyndham, I was looking through your 10 Q. In it, you say that you'll pay them around a 6% franchising fee on gross booking units in the beginning, which will rise to 6.5%. But the cost savings you're going to get from the order booking orders and using their system and that your net expenses will decline as a result of that. I heard you say something reclined by 1 third. Speaker 400:16:29I didn't quite catch that. Could you talk a little about the factors and some sense of the decline in expenses that can come from Wyndham? Speaker 300:16:40Yes, sure. So franchise fees along with booking fees on their platform is about 1 third less than what we currently are OTA agreements. So to the extent that we're driving traffic through Wyndham's platform, it's about a onethree reduction, basically call it OTA and other fees. If we go if we continue to use OTAs, they have a better negotiated rate than we do. So that plus the franchise fees is more expensive. Speaker 300:17:19But we fully expect and all the guidance we've gotten from the Wyndham team is that a significant part of our future bookings over time will go through their platform and through their rewards members and such. The way we've modeled it is about a little less than half is sort of the breakeven for it, but we fully expect to be much higher than that as we fully ramp up. Speaker 400:17:49Thank you. And I thought I also heard you say that this would improve your RevPAR. Could you explain how the Wyndham transaction could improve the RevPAR? Thank you. Speaker 200:18:00Yes. I'll take that. Just from a marketing perspective, hey, Alan, it's Brad. So Wyndham has over 100,000,000 rewards members worldwide and largest rewards program in the world. So they have members that utilize both through their internally, so through the Wyndham's awards where in particular, New York City, Wyndham has limited supply hotel rooms. Speaker 200:18:29So you have an oversupply of people looking and certainly in the other cities as well. So we look at being able to increase RevPAR, in particular, in New York, very handsomely through Wyndham's marketing programs as well as the rewards program. So we think we'll see increased demand through those channels, which we don't have access to today. It's very, very substantial. Speaker 400:18:52That's great. And then my last question, and I'll jump back in the queue, is just you also said it could provide around $50,000,000 of synthetic capital. And so they'll be providing you working capital and basically paying some of the security deposit, which had been a maybe one of the higher costs that maybe constrained some of your growth that that could get eased up. Is there anything you could add some color on how you're going to think about the benefit from that over the next year or 2? Thank you. Speaker 500:19:24Like maybe in terms of like the amount Speaker 400:19:26of rooms you can add? Speaker 200:19:29Absolutely. So just as a point of fact, if you go to the balance sheet from this queue, we have invested $19,600,000 into security deposits with $3,500,000 of letter of credit. So call it about $23,000,000 total invested into the portfolio in terms of deposits, which was our largest outlay of capital for those hotels. And that portfolio generated $8,400,000 of EBITDA. So when you're looking at a ROI or investment, you got $23,000,000 invested into the hotel properties and you're generating $8,400,000 of EBITDA a quarter, annualized about $33,000,000 of EBITDA on $23,000,000 invested. Speaker 200:20:12So we had talked about $1 of investment into security previously for $1 of EBITDA. We're seeing a greater return than that currently. So and then in particular, Wyndham provides us as part of the franchise agreement capital for enhancements to the property as well as working capital for the operations of the property and a portion of the security. And Speaker 300:20:44Alan, the I was it's $15,000,000 the way we've modeled it, not 50 Speaker 400:20:52dollars Sorry. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. Operator00:20:58And the next question comes from the line of Bryan Maher with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:21:05Thank you and good morning. We're starting to see a little bit of an acceleration in handbacks of hotels from some of our coverage companies to the banks in lieu of refinancing difficulties. Are you subsequently seeing a pickup in inbound calls and opportunities for you? And kind of as a second part to that question, are you seeing any changes in the terms that owners are looking for today relative to kind of what you saw up through the Q1? Speaker 200:21:41So, yes, we are definitely seeing several a day. We're getting shown every distressed deal throughout that's in need of a refinancing or that is over levered. So we're very carefully selecting in a very disciplined approach only the properties that really are turnkey from a CapEx perspective and then also meet our underwriting criteria, which hasn't moved since the start of the business. So we're still seeing significant pipeline opportunities, significant opportunities in the same rents or underwriting bands that we have done historically. So we have not moved up our underwriting criteria. Speaker 200:22:25We're seeing things come in at the same or lower. Speaker 600:22:30Okay. And has there been any change in your target markets outside of what you've talked about in the past? Are there any markets within the U. S. Or outside the U. Speaker 600:22:40S? I think maybe you talked about London before where you're focusing your attention. Speaker 200:22:48Yes. So it's the 5 cities we're in today and then it's Boston and London that we're actively pursuing opportunities. We've continued to scale rapidly in New York, represents the largest opportunity. We will be concentrated in New York City, represents the largest part of our pipeline as well. But Boston and London are 2 other cities that meet both our underwriting criteria and also have the attributes that we look for in terms of volume of travelers and in RevPARs that are sustainable that meet our risk profile. Speaker 200:23:21So really a 7 city footprint. It's possible that we will look at other cities in partnership with Wyndham around specific opportunities in the future. But right now, as far as Luxurban is concerned, it's the 7 city footprint that we're focused on. Speaker 600:23:38Okay. And maybe last for me, in New York City, since you brought that up, You can't open a newspaper, turn on the TV without seeing inbound staying at the Roosevelt Hotel and what kind of a disaster that is outside the Roosevelt Hotel. I don't know what New York City is paying Roosevelt for their rooms. But as it relates to the closed hotels in New York City that you might be able to strike a deal with, What's going on there with immigration and people showing up in New York impacting your ability or cost to take down any of those hotels? Just curious what you're seeing. Speaker 200:24:23Yes. I mean, what it provides is a short term alternative for hotel owners that are distressed, but it doesn't allow them to refinance on a city contract. So an owner who, if you look at, in particular, like Row New York City, the owners went into foreclosure, took the city money and now we're trying to restructure their debt. It hasn't allowed them to restructure. So it's really a Band Aid on a larger problem. Speaker 200:24:49And some owners are opting for short term cash. I do believe that it will create a secondary pipeline about, I think, close to 100 hotels in that program. So as they clear out in the programs, I think it will give us a secondary pipeline beyond that to clean up those hotels, bring them back online as hotels. We've talked to several owners around that as well that are in city programs that are looking for ways to take care of their debt obligations and restructure on long term triple net leases. We've even done 2 deals with the City Program Hotels that the owners are going to turn back, refurbish them and then turn them over to us from City Program. Speaker 200:25:28So it's really just a secondary pipeline opportunity for us. Speaker 600:25:33Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. Operator00:25:38And the next question comes from the line of Alex Fuhrman with Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:25:47Hey, guys. Just a follow-up on the Wyndham deal there. Can you walk us through kind of how you expect to get that level of kind of bookings from the Wyndham channel? Is that just natural function of being exposed to that many members? Do you plan on removing your properties from any existing OTA's or raising rates or anything like that through any other channels to kind of help direct things in that Speaker 200:26:21way? Alex, could you repeat that? I'm sorry. I lost the last part of it. It broke up a little. Speaker 700:26:30Just the question is how are you how do you envision Wyndham getting to that level of your bookings? Are you going to be removing your hotels from any other, OTAs or channel partners or raising rates through any other channels? Or is that just going to do you think happen organically as a function Speaker 200:26:47of being exposed to that Speaker 700:26:47many Wyndham members? Yes. I mean, I think we ran Speaker 200:26:56internally our model with them. We're 91% OTA driven today, so paying close to 15%. I think our cost was this quarter was $3,700,000 in third party OTA commissions, was the number, plus about $1,500,000 in additional processing fees. So all in about $5,200,000 went out the door this quarter in expense. They typically provide in urban core on their properties, 85 percent direct booking. Speaker 200:27:32So we're talking about Chanute's modeling our cost savings at a third. So substantial leverage in we would not to answer your question specifically, we would not remove them, but I think that they will pick up a large portion of our bookings, both through rewards, also they have a pretty sophisticated sales and distribution as well. And they also have group sales, B2B sales, specific departments around that. And they have 9,000 plus hotels globally, largest franchise company in the world. So their sales and distribution is very powerful, almost as powerful, if not as an OTA itself. Speaker 200:28:16So we're looking at redistributing cost savings there. So yes, it's pretty powerful and we did pretty extensive work on it. Speaker 700:28:25Okay. Thanks very much. Operator00:28:29And the next question comes from the line of Matthew Eridner with Jones Trading. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:28:35Hey guys, thanks for taking the question. Sticking on the expenses side, what are you guys seeing in terms of property related costs such as utilities, labor, WiFi, TV, stuff like that, and the expectation going forward? Are we going to see increases there kind of similar to the rent expense? Speaker 300:28:58So the way we look at it, so we got to about 26.9 percent EBITDA margins this quarter. We were in the low 20s last quarter. Part of that is the impact of new property additions is less of a drag. As we continue to grow the portfolio, when we enter into a new property, we hire on the staffing, we're ramping up the revenues associated to it, becomes less of an impact. As we continue to grow, we historically were very scrappy, startup bootstrap company. Speaker 300:29:39We continue to sort of run-in that sort of mindset. So consolidation of operations, cross staffing different properties with personnel, GMs and maintenance crews and so forth. We're meeting with utility companies actually as we speak now to leverage the economies that we're developing. So I would say overall, look, I think there's still plenty of areas where we can improve. So I'd actually look at it from a different perspective. Speaker 300:30:08As we grow and we become a more better capitalized, a larger player, I think we can get some savings to offset pricing increases. So net net, I would be looking at sort of the same level of costs. Speaker 500:30:22Okay. That's helpful there. And in terms of occupancy, you guys, I believe, had your best quarter ever there at 80%. How is it tracking this quarter, if you have any insight into that for the remainder of this summer? And then what is the expectation once the fall starts and school is back in session? Speaker 800:30:44Yes. So, Speaker 300:30:47I think we're going to improve occupancy as we continue through the balance of the year. It's tough in Miami right now with the weather, but that should pick up in the fall. New York continues to stay very robust. I mean, anecdotally, I tell people that every time I come to New York, it's difficult for me to find a room in one of our properties. So it continues to be that way. Speaker 300:31:16We're also pretty focused on perishable, selling the perishable inventory we have. So look, I would we're getting better at optimizing. I would you picked it up in terms of occupancy. I think we still have some room to increase that. We run a business where every night that goes by we have a vacant room, it's lost revenue. Speaker 300:31:41We have to balance that with the brand and our partner and so forth, but we will continue to try to increase that. So I would say that for the balance of the year, we would like to improve that with sort of the baseline of where we're at right now. Speaker 500:31:58Awesome. Thanks for taking the questions. Operator00:32:02And the next question comes from the line of Tom Kerr with Zacks Investment Research. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 800:32:10Good morning, guys. One more follow-up on the Wyndham deal. Do they have any operational input? I was confused on that. Or do you still operate the hotels as you see fit and this is just a reservation pricing type deal? Speaker 200:32:25Sure. We maintain operating control and then we collaborate on revenue management, sales and distribution, as well as standards and customer service and also standards internally Operator00:32:40on Speaker 200:32:41the property as well. Does that mean Speaker 800:32:44you don't use your pricing algorithms that you have developed over the years? Or you collaborate on that? Speaker 200:32:50No, we still we collaborate we still run sales and distribution in connection with their team. Speaker 800:32:58Okay, got it. A couple of quick financial questions, please. Yes. So, the share count increased because of the revenue share agreement. So, the average shares of the ending shares for the 3rd quarter will be 44,200,000 dollars or that should be the ending? Speaker 300:33:18Yes. So if you look at the cover of the Q, the shares issued are the slightly under 36,000,000 are structured, the debt holder can call on additional chairs. So that's the $44,000,000 that's an all in number of what's been committed on the rev share agreement. So Speaker 800:33:46But we don't know if those have been issued until they Speaker 300:33:50execute? Yes. They asked for those to be issued. We issued them. So that's sort of the delta between the two numbers. Speaker 300:33:58When they ask, we issue. So eventually, it will get to that $44,000,000 Speaker 800:34:04Okay. But it could be a long way away or several quarters out? Speaker 300:34:10Correct. Speaker 200:34:10Yes, there's an extended lockup on those through 2025. Speaker 800:34:15Okay. That's just yes, all right. And then any guidance or color on the tax rates in the second half of the year, the 2nd quarter tax rate seemed a little confusing? Speaker 300:34:26Yes. So the non majority of the noncash expenses are nondeductible for tax purposes. And also there's a limitation on interest expense, what you can do. So our interest expense based on our financing is kind of moving around. But if you so the way I calculate taxes is on a cash basis, so take out the noncash, we're roughly 28% to 30%. Speaker 300:34:54That's combined with the old and state. Speaker 800:34:56Got it. All right. Last one. So the units operating units, the 1625 number, would that be the rough estimate of units at the end of the Q3, meaning average units for the Q3 would be in the 1300s or something like that? Speaker 300:35:16So we've laid it out. If you look at the MD and A section of the Q, I've laid it out, I think it's Page 19. So we have 14/11 operating currently with the balance there's 2 properties that are not quite operating right now. Those three that are operating this quarter were at the beginning of the quarter. So it'd be 1400 plus what we open and operate between now and the end of the quarter, so probably somewhere higher than that. Speaker 800:35:49Great. Appreciate it. That's all the questions I have for today. Operator00:35:55And the next question comes from the line of Allen Klee with Maxim Group. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:36:02Hi. My follow-up question was answered. Thank you. Operator00:36:08At this time, there are no further questions. And I'd like to pass it back over to Brian Ferdinand for any closing comments. Speaker 200:36:15Thank you again everyone for your participation and continued interest in Luxe Urban Hotels. And we are very pleased with our progress and look forward to updating you throughout the year. Have a great day and thank you everyone. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. And it is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Devin Sullivan, Managing Director of The Equity Group. Operator00:00:08Thank you, Devin. You may begin. Speaker 100:00:11Thank you, John. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for Luxe Urban Hotels 2023 Second Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. Our speakers for today will be Brian Ferdinand, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Shanuq Kothari, the company's President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that during this call, we will be discussing forward looking statements, including with respect to financial and operational guidance, the success of the company's collaboration with Wyndham Hotels and Resorts, scheduled property openings, expected closing of noted lease transactions, the company's ability to continue closing on additional leases for properties in the company's pipeline, as well as the company's anticipated ability to commercialize efficiently and profitably the properties it leases and will lease in the future. Speaker 100:00:56These forward looking statements are based on current expectations and beliefs concerning future developments and their potential effect on the company. There can be no assurance that future developments will be those that have been anticipated. These forward looking statements are subject to a number of risks, uncertainties, some of which are beyond our control or other assumptions that may cause actual results or performance to be materially different from those expressed in or implied by these forward looking statements, including those set forth under the caption Risk Factors in our public filings with the SEC, including in Item 1A for our 10 ks for the year ended December 31, 2022, and in Item 1A of our Form 10 Q for the 3 months ended June 30, 2023. The forward looking information and forward looking statements are made as of today's date, and the company does not undertake to update any forward looking information and or forward looking statements that are contained or referenced herein, except in accordance with applicable securities law. Management will also be discussing non GAAP financial metrics. Speaker 100:01:55A reconciliation of these non GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP measures can be found in the company's press release. With that said, I'll now turn the call over to Brian Ferdinand, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Luxe Urban Hotels. Brian, please go ahead. Speaker 200:02:10Thank you, Devin. Good morning and thank you for joining us today. Almost 1 year to the day after completing our initial public offering, I am proud of what we've been able to accomplish operationally, financially and culturally. These last several quarters have been a transformative period for Luxurban. And I am happy to say that we have entered the second half of twenty twenty three in the strongest position in our history to drive future growth, enhance cash flow, capture the benefits of scale and deliver long term value to our shareholders. Speaker 200:02:43In the Q2 of 2023, we generated record net rental revenue, EBITDA and cash net income. On an adjusted basis, we reported our 8th consecutive quarter of cash based net net income and 7th consecutive quarter of positive EBITDA. We transformed our financial profile by eliminating the entirety of the approximately $9,800,000 of senior secured debt held by our free IPO lenders and an estimated $87,500,000 in future revenue share payments, all while pursuing a focused high conviction commitment to growth and profitability. When compared to December 31, 2022 year end, our quarter end cash position more than tripled. Total debt and net debt each declined significantly and shareholders' equity improved by nearly $17,000,000 We continue to pursue a significant pipeline opportunity that's accelerating as hotel owners facing upcoming debt maturities. Speaker 200:03:45Deal flow remains incredibly strong, which allows us to pursue only the most favorable properties in deal structures to advance our growth. We continue to adhere to strict operating controls and we believe that we currently have the lowest per night property level breakeven costs in the markets we serve. We also transformed the arc of our anticipated growth by announcing a partnership with Wyndham Hotels and Resorts, the world's largest hotel franchise company. Highlights of the deal include the Luxe Urban Hotels initially being added to the Wyndham portfolio are expected to be integrated into the Trademark brand and in turn Wyndham's booking channels by the end of the year, likely sooner. By using Wyndham's platform, we expect to see a significant reduction in commissions and online booking fees compared to our prior operations. Speaker 200:04:38As a reminder, the Wyndham rewards program serves more than 100,000,000 members. We have already begun the integration and it's underway. Wyndham will provide Lux Urban with significant upfront initial non dilutive working capital and growth capital based primarily on Luxurban's existing property portfolio with ongoing non dilutive acquisition and working capital to be provided by Wyndham to fund future MLAs. Luxurban's properties covered under this agreement will operate on Wyndham's world class operational and customer service support systems, which are expected to enhance Luxurban's cash flow by optimizing enterprise wide operating efficiencies and Luxurban will remain operating control of its hotels, while being jointly branded and marketed in partnership with Wyndham. We're incredibly enthusiastic about our alignment with Wyndham and believe that the financial brand and operating advantages will make Luxor even more attractive solution for property owners looking to employ our asset like triple net lease alternatives, while maintaining ownerships of their asset. Speaker 200:05:45With that, I'll turn it over to Shanuk Bathory, our President and Chief Financial Officer, for a review of our financials. Speaker 300:05:53Thank you, Brian. We reported another strong quarter and continued to validate the growth and earnings power inherent in our model. Net rental revenue tripled to $31,900,000 from last year's 2nd quarter, driven primarily by an increase in average units available to rent from 565 in Q222 to 1086 in Q2 2023 as well as improved revenue per available room or RevPAR. Year to date RevPAR rose to 291 from 183 in Q222 and from 247 at December 31, 2022. 2Q20 23 total cash rent expense was $4,800,000 or 15.2 percent of net rental revenue compared to $2,100,000 or 20.9 percent of net rental revenue in the same period last year. Speaker 300:06:47Non cash rent expense amortization was $2,600,000 up from $1,100,000 in Q2 'twenty two. Gross profit rose to $10,200,000 or 31.8 percent of net rental revenue from $2,900,000 or 28 percent of net rental revenue in Q222. G and A expenses increased to $4,400,000 or 13.9 percent of net rental revenue compared to $900,000 or $8,700,000 in Q2 'twenty two. Our net loss for the Q2 was $26,800,000 or $0.78 per share as compared to net income of $762,000 or $0.04 per share in the Q2 of last year. The primary driver of the net loss was a $28,500,000 onetime non cash financing charge associated with the revenue share agreement that eliminated an estimated $87,500,000 in future revenue share payments that we would have been contracted to pay. Speaker 300:07:50We also incurred a $1,200,000 onetime cash interest and financing costs associated with the retirement of debt and related premiums associated with this. While these charges did impact our results, they should not mask the positive impact of the elimination of these revenue share payment obligations we would have had on our business over the long term, primarily by removing the drag on our financial results, increasing our access to growth capital and providing financial flexibility. Exclusive of these items, adjusted cash net income improved to $7,200,000 up from just under $1,900,000 in last year's Q2 and EBITDA improved to $8,400,000 Going forward, we will not have charges related to financing, but we'll continue to have regular stock compensation expense associated with equity grants and non cash rent expense amortization associated with ASC 842. For the quarter ended June 30, 2023, our EBITDA margin increased to 26.5%. As we've discussed last quarter, our goals are to achieve 20 plus percent EBITDA margins in the short term and 25 plus percent EBITDA margins over the long term. Speaker 300:09:06We reiterate this guidance. During the June 2023 quarter, our units hosting guests rose to 1086 from 988 in the prior quarter and 479 in 2Q 'twenty 2. Moving to the balance sheet. At June 30, cash and cash equivalents totaled 3,800,000 dollars a $2,700,000 improvement from December 31, 2022. Restricted cash was unchanged at $1,100,000 Total debt at quarter end declined to $4,600,000 from $14,000,000 at December 31, 2022, and net debt in the quarter and was around $800,000 down from $10,300,000 at year end 2022. Speaker 300:09:53We continue to work on our payables and working capital and made strides during the quarter. Our working capital position narrowed to a negative $2,400,000 at June 30, 2023 from a negative $13,500,000 at December 31, 2022. However, removing short term lease liabilities, our working capital for June 30, 2023 was positive $3,700,000 versus a negative $9,600,000 at December 31, 2022. That said, we will continue to work towards improving our liquidity and working capital throughout the balance of the year. During the quarter, we deployed $4,000,000 in security deposits and for the 6 months over $8,000,000 As we have stated previously, we continue to make efforts in improving free cash flow and liquidity and look to improve these metrics while continuing to reduce our debt over the coming quarters. Speaker 300:10:49Looking at our portfolio at June 30, 2023 and today. As of June 30, we operated 12 properties, 1086 units in 5 cities. As of today, we operate 15 properties with 14 11 units hosting guests in New York, Los Angeles, Miami, Washington and New Orleans. We have under we currently have under MLA 17 properties totaling 1625 short term rental units. As of June 30, 2023, across our portfolio, our investment and security deposits were $13,554 per unit with the high being at New York at $17,307 and the low end in New Orleans and D. Speaker 300:11:33C. At $5,000 $6,329 respectively per unit. We expect these amounts to remain relatively consistent in the near future. Regarding guidance, we have maintained our net rental revenue and EBITDA guidance for 2023 2024. We expect that all in RevPAR for 2023 will be between $250,000,000 $280,000,000 and we expect gross margins of 30% to 40%. Speaker 300:12:01G and A, excluding noncash items, will approximate 10% to 12% during the year. We believe that this will result in EBITDA margins of 20% to 25 plus percent. We continue to expect year end operating units to be between 2,503,000 short term hotel units under MLA, up from 844 at December 31, 2022 and 1625 as of today. The timing to reach the goal of between 2,503,000 units may positively impact our revenue guidance for the year. A few additional comments about the Wyndham partnership. Speaker 300:12:41We estimate key money reduced by required CapEx provides us over $15,000,000 of synthetic financing over the course of the initial stages of the agreement. We believe this could increase over time subject to, 1, how we perform under the agreement 2, the quality of the pipeline and 3, continued dialogue with our partner. The transaction provides us significant benefits, reducing operating expenses when we drive booking traffic to Wyndham's booking channels. Based on our expected case, we believe we will improve RevPAR, which will impact us starting 2024 and reduce OTA costs by about onethree based on our current booking fees. The net impact once we're fully operational will be after year end. Speaker 300:13:32Finally, we have yet to quantify the secondary benefits of staffing and resources at Lux Urban as we continue to become more dependent on Wyndham for items we're currently head on an operational basis. With that, I'll turn the conversation back over to Brian. Speaker 200:13:50Thank you, Shanu. I believe we're going to open this up for questions now. Just want to thank everyone for participating. And I'll turn it over to Devin to open up for questions. Operator00:14:12Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. And the first question comes from the line of Allen Klee with Maxim Group. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:14:43Good morning. Congrats on a very strong quarter. When I look at one area where there was a strong positive variance compared to our model was your revenue per available room. Could you just give some color on what there's a lot of things that go into RevPAR? What drove the jump there? Speaker 400:15:07Thank you. Speaker 300:15:13Yes, sure. I'll take that. So, Alan, so the jump so we did $257,000,000 last quarter. The jump to the $291,000,000 for the 6 months is related to timing of certain higher quality properties that came on primarily early part of the second quarter, as well as sort of pickup for the summer season, coupled with sort of a down the downside of the January side. So a little bit better than we expected, but I think it's just related to the higher quality average properties that were put on at the early part of the quarter. Speaker 400:15:55Thank you. In terms of Wyndham, I was looking through your 10 Q. In it, you say that you'll pay them around a 6% franchising fee on gross booking units in the beginning, which will rise to 6.5%. But the cost savings you're going to get from the order booking orders and using their system and that your net expenses will decline as a result of that. I heard you say something reclined by 1 third. Speaker 400:16:29I didn't quite catch that. Could you talk a little about the factors and some sense of the decline in expenses that can come from Wyndham? Speaker 300:16:40Yes, sure. So franchise fees along with booking fees on their platform is about 1 third less than what we currently are OTA agreements. So to the extent that we're driving traffic through Wyndham's platform, it's about a onethree reduction, basically call it OTA and other fees. If we go if we continue to use OTAs, they have a better negotiated rate than we do. So that plus the franchise fees is more expensive. Speaker 300:17:19But we fully expect and all the guidance we've gotten from the Wyndham team is that a significant part of our future bookings over time will go through their platform and through their rewards members and such. The way we've modeled it is about a little less than half is sort of the breakeven for it, but we fully expect to be much higher than that as we fully ramp up. Speaker 400:17:49Thank you. And I thought I also heard you say that this would improve your RevPAR. Could you explain how the Wyndham transaction could improve the RevPAR? Thank you. Speaker 200:18:00Yes. I'll take that. Just from a marketing perspective, hey, Alan, it's Brad. So Wyndham has over 100,000,000 rewards members worldwide and largest rewards program in the world. So they have members that utilize both through their internally, so through the Wyndham's awards where in particular, New York City, Wyndham has limited supply hotel rooms. Speaker 200:18:29So you have an oversupply of people looking and certainly in the other cities as well. So we look at being able to increase RevPAR, in particular, in New York, very handsomely through Wyndham's marketing programs as well as the rewards program. So we think we'll see increased demand through those channels, which we don't have access to today. It's very, very substantial. Speaker 400:18:52That's great. And then my last question, and I'll jump back in the queue, is just you also said it could provide around $50,000,000 of synthetic capital. And so they'll be providing you working capital and basically paying some of the security deposit, which had been a maybe one of the higher costs that maybe constrained some of your growth that that could get eased up. Is there anything you could add some color on how you're going to think about the benefit from that over the next year or 2? Thank you. Speaker 500:19:24Like maybe in terms of like the amount Speaker 400:19:26of rooms you can add? Speaker 200:19:29Absolutely. So just as a point of fact, if you go to the balance sheet from this queue, we have invested $19,600,000 into security deposits with $3,500,000 of letter of credit. So call it about $23,000,000 total invested into the portfolio in terms of deposits, which was our largest outlay of capital for those hotels. And that portfolio generated $8,400,000 of EBITDA. So when you're looking at a ROI or investment, you got $23,000,000 invested into the hotel properties and you're generating $8,400,000 of EBITDA a quarter, annualized about $33,000,000 of EBITDA on $23,000,000 invested. Speaker 200:20:12So we had talked about $1 of investment into security previously for $1 of EBITDA. We're seeing a greater return than that currently. So and then in particular, Wyndham provides us as part of the franchise agreement capital for enhancements to the property as well as working capital for the operations of the property and a portion of the security. And Speaker 300:20:44Alan, the I was it's $15,000,000 the way we've modeled it, not 50 Speaker 400:20:52dollars Sorry. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. Operator00:20:58And the next question comes from the line of Bryan Maher with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:21:05Thank you and good morning. We're starting to see a little bit of an acceleration in handbacks of hotels from some of our coverage companies to the banks in lieu of refinancing difficulties. Are you subsequently seeing a pickup in inbound calls and opportunities for you? And kind of as a second part to that question, are you seeing any changes in the terms that owners are looking for today relative to kind of what you saw up through the Q1? Speaker 200:21:41So, yes, we are definitely seeing several a day. We're getting shown every distressed deal throughout that's in need of a refinancing or that is over levered. So we're very carefully selecting in a very disciplined approach only the properties that really are turnkey from a CapEx perspective and then also meet our underwriting criteria, which hasn't moved since the start of the business. So we're still seeing significant pipeline opportunities, significant opportunities in the same rents or underwriting bands that we have done historically. So we have not moved up our underwriting criteria. Speaker 200:22:25We're seeing things come in at the same or lower. Speaker 600:22:30Okay. And has there been any change in your target markets outside of what you've talked about in the past? Are there any markets within the U. S. Or outside the U. Speaker 600:22:40S? I think maybe you talked about London before where you're focusing your attention. Speaker 200:22:48Yes. So it's the 5 cities we're in today and then it's Boston and London that we're actively pursuing opportunities. We've continued to scale rapidly in New York, represents the largest opportunity. We will be concentrated in New York City, represents the largest part of our pipeline as well. But Boston and London are 2 other cities that meet both our underwriting criteria and also have the attributes that we look for in terms of volume of travelers and in RevPARs that are sustainable that meet our risk profile. Speaker 200:23:21So really a 7 city footprint. It's possible that we will look at other cities in partnership with Wyndham around specific opportunities in the future. But right now, as far as Luxurban is concerned, it's the 7 city footprint that we're focused on. Speaker 600:23:38Okay. And maybe last for me, in New York City, since you brought that up, You can't open a newspaper, turn on the TV without seeing inbound staying at the Roosevelt Hotel and what kind of a disaster that is outside the Roosevelt Hotel. I don't know what New York City is paying Roosevelt for their rooms. But as it relates to the closed hotels in New York City that you might be able to strike a deal with, What's going on there with immigration and people showing up in New York impacting your ability or cost to take down any of those hotels? Just curious what you're seeing. Speaker 200:24:23Yes. I mean, what it provides is a short term alternative for hotel owners that are distressed, but it doesn't allow them to refinance on a city contract. So an owner who, if you look at, in particular, like Row New York City, the owners went into foreclosure, took the city money and now we're trying to restructure their debt. It hasn't allowed them to restructure. So it's really a Band Aid on a larger problem. Speaker 200:24:49And some owners are opting for short term cash. I do believe that it will create a secondary pipeline about, I think, close to 100 hotels in that program. So as they clear out in the programs, I think it will give us a secondary pipeline beyond that to clean up those hotels, bring them back online as hotels. We've talked to several owners around that as well that are in city programs that are looking for ways to take care of their debt obligations and restructure on long term triple net leases. We've even done 2 deals with the City Program Hotels that the owners are going to turn back, refurbish them and then turn them over to us from City Program. Speaker 200:25:28So it's really just a secondary pipeline opportunity for us. Speaker 600:25:33Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. Operator00:25:38And the next question comes from the line of Alex Fuhrman with Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 700:25:47Hey, guys. Just a follow-up on the Wyndham deal there. Can you walk us through kind of how you expect to get that level of kind of bookings from the Wyndham channel? Is that just natural function of being exposed to that many members? Do you plan on removing your properties from any existing OTA's or raising rates or anything like that through any other channels to kind of help direct things in that Speaker 200:26:21way? Alex, could you repeat that? I'm sorry. I lost the last part of it. It broke up a little. Speaker 700:26:30Just the question is how are you how do you envision Wyndham getting to that level of your bookings? Are you going to be removing your hotels from any other, OTAs or channel partners or raising rates through any other channels? Or is that just going to do you think happen organically as a function Speaker 200:26:47of being exposed to that Speaker 700:26:47many Wyndham members? Yes. I mean, I think we ran Speaker 200:26:56internally our model with them. We're 91% OTA driven today, so paying close to 15%. I think our cost was this quarter was $3,700,000 in third party OTA commissions, was the number, plus about $1,500,000 in additional processing fees. So all in about $5,200,000 went out the door this quarter in expense. They typically provide in urban core on their properties, 85 percent direct booking. Speaker 200:27:32So we're talking about Chanute's modeling our cost savings at a third. So substantial leverage in we would not to answer your question specifically, we would not remove them, but I think that they will pick up a large portion of our bookings, both through rewards, also they have a pretty sophisticated sales and distribution as well. And they also have group sales, B2B sales, specific departments around that. And they have 9,000 plus hotels globally, largest franchise company in the world. So their sales and distribution is very powerful, almost as powerful, if not as an OTA itself. Speaker 200:28:16So we're looking at redistributing cost savings there. So yes, it's pretty powerful and we did pretty extensive work on it. Speaker 700:28:25Okay. Thanks very much. Operator00:28:29And the next question comes from the line of Matthew Eridner with Jones Trading. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:28:35Hey guys, thanks for taking the question. Sticking on the expenses side, what are you guys seeing in terms of property related costs such as utilities, labor, WiFi, TV, stuff like that, and the expectation going forward? Are we going to see increases there kind of similar to the rent expense? Speaker 300:28:58So the way we look at it, so we got to about 26.9 percent EBITDA margins this quarter. We were in the low 20s last quarter. Part of that is the impact of new property additions is less of a drag. As we continue to grow the portfolio, when we enter into a new property, we hire on the staffing, we're ramping up the revenues associated to it, becomes less of an impact. As we continue to grow, we historically were very scrappy, startup bootstrap company. Speaker 300:29:39We continue to sort of run-in that sort of mindset. So consolidation of operations, cross staffing different properties with personnel, GMs and maintenance crews and so forth. We're meeting with utility companies actually as we speak now to leverage the economies that we're developing. So I would say overall, look, I think there's still plenty of areas where we can improve. So I'd actually look at it from a different perspective. Speaker 300:30:08As we grow and we become a more better capitalized, a larger player, I think we can get some savings to offset pricing increases. So net net, I would be looking at sort of the same level of costs. Speaker 500:30:22Okay. That's helpful there. And in terms of occupancy, you guys, I believe, had your best quarter ever there at 80%. How is it tracking this quarter, if you have any insight into that for the remainder of this summer? And then what is the expectation once the fall starts and school is back in session? Speaker 800:30:44Yes. So, Speaker 300:30:47I think we're going to improve occupancy as we continue through the balance of the year. It's tough in Miami right now with the weather, but that should pick up in the fall. New York continues to stay very robust. I mean, anecdotally, I tell people that every time I come to New York, it's difficult for me to find a room in one of our properties. So it continues to be that way. Speaker 300:31:16We're also pretty focused on perishable, selling the perishable inventory we have. So look, I would we're getting better at optimizing. I would you picked it up in terms of occupancy. I think we still have some room to increase that. We run a business where every night that goes by we have a vacant room, it's lost revenue. Speaker 300:31:41We have to balance that with the brand and our partner and so forth, but we will continue to try to increase that. So I would say that for the balance of the year, we would like to improve that with sort of the baseline of where we're at right now. Speaker 500:31:58Awesome. Thanks for taking the questions. Operator00:32:02And the next question comes from the line of Tom Kerr with Zacks Investment Research. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 800:32:10Good morning, guys. One more follow-up on the Wyndham deal. Do they have any operational input? I was confused on that. Or do you still operate the hotels as you see fit and this is just a reservation pricing type deal? Speaker 200:32:25Sure. We maintain operating control and then we collaborate on revenue management, sales and distribution, as well as standards and customer service and also standards internally Operator00:32:40on Speaker 200:32:41the property as well. Does that mean Speaker 800:32:44you don't use your pricing algorithms that you have developed over the years? Or you collaborate on that? Speaker 200:32:50No, we still we collaborate we still run sales and distribution in connection with their team. Speaker 800:32:58Okay, got it. A couple of quick financial questions, please. Yes. So, the share count increased because of the revenue share agreement. So, the average shares of the ending shares for the 3rd quarter will be 44,200,000 dollars or that should be the ending? Speaker 300:33:18Yes. So if you look at the cover of the Q, the shares issued are the slightly under 36,000,000 are structured, the debt holder can call on additional chairs. So that's the $44,000,000 that's an all in number of what's been committed on the rev share agreement. So Speaker 800:33:46But we don't know if those have been issued until they Speaker 300:33:50execute? Yes. They asked for those to be issued. We issued them. So that's sort of the delta between the two numbers. Speaker 300:33:58When they ask, we issue. So eventually, it will get to that $44,000,000 Speaker 800:34:04Okay. But it could be a long way away or several quarters out? Speaker 300:34:10Correct. Speaker 200:34:10Yes, there's an extended lockup on those through 2025. Speaker 800:34:15Okay. That's just yes, all right. And then any guidance or color on the tax rates in the second half of the year, the 2nd quarter tax rate seemed a little confusing? Speaker 300:34:26Yes. So the non majority of the noncash expenses are nondeductible for tax purposes. And also there's a limitation on interest expense, what you can do. So our interest expense based on our financing is kind of moving around. But if you so the way I calculate taxes is on a cash basis, so take out the noncash, we're roughly 28% to 30%. Speaker 300:34:54That's combined with the old and state. Speaker 800:34:56Got it. All right. Last one. So the units operating units, the 1625 number, would that be the rough estimate of units at the end of the Q3, meaning average units for the Q3 would be in the 1300s or something like that? Speaker 300:35:16So we've laid it out. If you look at the MD and A section of the Q, I've laid it out, I think it's Page 19. So we have 14/11 operating currently with the balance there's 2 properties that are not quite operating right now. Those three that are operating this quarter were at the beginning of the quarter. So it'd be 1400 plus what we open and operate between now and the end of the quarter, so probably somewhere higher than that. Speaker 800:35:49Great. Appreciate it. That's all the questions I have for today. Operator00:35:55And the next question comes from the line of Allen Klee with Maxim Group. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:36:02Hi. My follow-up question was answered. Thank you. Operator00:36:08At this time, there are no further questions. And I'd like to pass it back over to Brian Ferdinand for any closing comments. Speaker 200:36:15Thank you again everyone for your participation and continued interest in Luxe Urban Hotels. And we are very pleased with our progress and look forward to updating you throughout the year. Have a great day and thank you everyone. Operator00:36:29Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a Speaker 300:36:35great day.Read morePowered by