Workhorse Group Q2 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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August 8, 2023

Key Takeaways

  • Workhorse increased production and delivery of its W4CC vehicles, launched W750 step‐van production with first customer deliveries, and advanced W56 durability and system testing ahead of a planned Q3 production start and initial Q4 deliveries.
  • The company expanded its certified dealer network—adding partners in California, Georgia and New York—and is now licensed to ship in 23 states, positioning itself to capture demand driven by upcoming CARB clean‐fleet mandates.
  • Q2 results showed a $23 million net loss (versus $21.2 million LY) on sales of $4 million, while cash burn remains significant despite $62.4 million in cash and a revised 2023 revenue forecast of $65–85 million due to HVIP voucher delays and W56 certification lag.
  • In its Aerospace segment, Workhorse secured first commercial orders for its HorseFly drone, won a new $900,000 USDA grant, and completed multiple HALO drone demonstrations for U.S. government agencies, advancing its diversification strategy.
  • The company plans a special shareholder meeting to authorize additional common shares to support equity‐linked financings and working‐capital needs, raising potential dilution concerns for current shareholders.
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Earnings Conference Call
Workhorse Group Q2 2023
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There are 9 speakers on the call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, greetings and welcome to Workhorse Group's Second Quarter 2023 Investor Call. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to introduce your host, Workhorse Group's Vice President of Corporate Development and Communications, Stan March. Sir, you may begin.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Kevin. Good morning and welcome to all of you joining us on today's Q2 2023 results call. Before we begin, I'd like to note that we've posted our results for the Q2 ended June 30, 2023 via press release. You can also find this release as well as the accompanying presentation in the Investor Relations section of our website. We'll be tracking with that And with that, let's get started.

Speaker 1

Joining me on today's call are Rick Dowk, our CEO and Bob Ganan, our CFO. The agenda for today can be found on Slide 3. Following my opening remarks, I'll hand the call over to Rick, who will give you an update on the progress we've made in our strategic and operational priorities during the Q2. Bob will then walk us through our financial results for the quarter and cover our revised 2023 guidance. Rick will then wrap up before we take your questions.

Speaker 1

Our disclaimer can be found on Slide 4. Some of the comments that we will be making today are forward looking and therefore are subject to certain provisions and are subject to risks and uncertainties. You can find the full disclaimer statement in our periodic filings with the SEC as well as in today's press release and in the presentation. And with that, I'll now turn the call over to Rick Dowk. Rick?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Stan, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for taking the time to join us this morning. And is intently focused on execution, execution and execution. We have taken decisive actions to build a strong foundation over the past 2 years here at I am confident we've established an organization, the product roadmaps and business systems that position Workhorse for profitable growth and value creation for During the Q2, we increased production and delivery of our W4CC vehicles, Launched production of the W750 and delivered our first W750 step van to an end customer. Our Our W56 program continued vehicle durability and system testing ahead of the start of regular production in Q3.

Speaker 2

We also received our first orders for the W56, Which we plan to deliver to customers in Q4. The W56 also was on full display for the first time outside of trade events at a CalStart sponsored event in Washington, D. C. And at select dealer shows on the West Coast where it received excellent reviews. We made solid progress expanding our dealer network, announcing new certified partnerships during the quarter with BRRRR, EVC Smyrna and Western Truck Exchange.

Speaker 2

Each of these deals was targeted and selected for their specific regional location, reputations with customers and ability to install custom bodies on cab chassis units. In addition, we shipped 53 Tropos vehicles as part of our 3 year contract with the company That were assembled in our world class manufacturing facilities in Union City, Indiana. And we expect volumes to grow in the second half of the year Tropos continues to build a strong order book. On the other side of our business, we achieved a crucial milestone in our Aerospace By securing our 1st commercial drone purchase orders. This filed several successful demonstrations of our HorseFly including simultaneous package delivery by multiple drones at the same time.

Speaker 2

We conducted several horsefly and halo demonstration flights for the U. S. Government departments. We built on our success with the USDA and were awarded a new 900,000 field scanning grant in support of farmers in Mississippi. Our staples and solids initiative continues to serve us well and we are well on our way to electrifying our FedEx ground fleet with 5 Class 4 EV units now deployed in Lebanon, Ohio.

Speaker 2

We have expanded our delivery route assignments and are now picking up and delivering more volume than we were 1 year ago. We are continuing to apply our lessons learned from operating these routes daily to our future product development and marketing plans. Finally, we have been making the necessary facility and system improvements ahead of future production. These include the installation of final assembly and paint Processing equipment in Union City in time for the W56 launch in Q3. Our Sharonville, Ohio prototype shop is now in full operation and The team there has done yeoman's work on early W750 and W56 program build units.

Speaker 2

Having completed our production line installation, we are now ready for drone assembly in our Mason, Ohio facility. Finally, We successfully completed Phase 1 implementation of our new ERP system without issues and we went live in early July. Again, the foundations for a high-tech manufacturing company are now in place after 2 years of hard work and the capital investments in production and test equipment, Hardware and Software Systems. Moving to Slide 6, I want to provide some additional details on the important progress we're making on our commercial vehicle product We are launching 3 new vehicles in less than 12 months, easier said than done. We received firm orders for 62 vehicles across the portfolio and delivered 42 Class 4 vehicles, W4CC and W750s to customers during 2nd quarter.

Speaker 2

Starting with the W4CC, we have stabilized production both at Union City and across our supply We have also secured body build slots for Q3 and Q4 to provide complete ready to use vehicles to our customers. We are now able to build and ship more than 300 W4CC units in 2023. Moving on to the W750 step band, We took away several lessons learned, which I will touch on shortly. The key point is that we now have 5 W750 vehicles In the field, one with a customer and another 4 at Stables installs and another 5 going through final prep ahead of shipments to customers in Q3. We also had the opportunity to showcase the versatility of the W750 during a full day infield demo with the City of Los Angeles.

Speaker 2

We have received supportive responses from our test drivers and are actively quoting several small fleet opportunities. We now have the capacity to build and ship about 50 W750 units in 2023. The W56, which is the first new Workhorse fully designed and purpose built chassis platform remains on track to start production in September of this year. Importantly, we have already sold our first two vehicles to our dealer network even before we have begun initial production. We expect to have production quality demo units As I mentioned earlier, we also showcased our W56 vehicle, the only Class 5 or 6 vehicles permitted to attend at the Driving Future in an Electric Vehicle event on June 7 in Washington DC.

Speaker 2

This EV showcase and the interactive event allowed members of Congress to learn more about the market readiness and advanced technology Now ready and available to accelerate the transition to commercial EVs. I want to touch on the launch experiences we have worked through the last couple of quarters. So they are reminders of why creating a new vehicle OEM is easy on PowerPoint slide, but executing in the real world is simply hard, grinding, Tough work. We have assembled an incredibly talented team of experienced automotive professionals across several functions. As a team, they have worked to ensure that engineering change management discipline and documentation is complete and accurate.

Speaker 2

They have put in countless hours to ensure multiple software programs, Both ours and our suppliers are compatible and fail safe, absolutely critical in electric vehicles. The final bill of materials must be frozen as early as possible and supplier selection and sourcing must be completed on time to ensure part readiness for both Our team gets these tasks. If the engineers get behind or do not Properly document design changes, it throws the supply chain and manufacturing teams for a loop. We have also experienced this as well. These ingredients are really put to the test when the first production vehicle moves down the line.

Speaker 2

We learned and we grew a lot as a team and successfully got the W750 into production While launching the new ERP system, but it was a tough challenging learning process. The good news is that we have developed muscle memory through the W750 launch process And we'll be better positioned when we start W56 production next month. Not to belabor the point, but designing, testing, sourcing parts And then assembling and launching a new vehicle is incredibly hard work for the engineering, supply chain and manufacturing teams. And It takes automotive industry experience, which we have in-depth here at Workhorse, to get a new vehicle launch on time and on budget. I'm extremely grateful and proud of our team's hard work and dedication over the past 18 months in bringing not 1 but 3 vehicles to market.

Speaker 2

A final thought on this subject. I personally went to the durability test track in South Bend, Indiana to ride in both our W750 I will tell you that this is a tough and I mean really tough, bone rattling, Balance challenging vehicle test. When a truck successfully completes this rigor, it is ready for service in the field for 15 to 20 years. Both our W750 and W56 received high praise from the 3rd party test vehicles drivers as best in class Amongst the other EV vehicles going through the test cycle up in Northern Indiana. Turning to Slide 7, As we have mentioned in the past, Workhorse is developing a certified dealer network to meet end customer needs across the United States, targeting those areas where CARB Standards will take effect in 2024 to 2,030.

Speaker 2

I have spoken about our need to get manufacturing license secured in several states We are now licensed in and or authorized to ship to 23 states, the most important recent addition being California. We also expanded our certified dealer network as I mentioned earlier by adding Bird Truck and Trailer Sales, our first distribution service partner in the state of New York and the initial Workhorse dealership in the Northeast. EVC Smyrna Truck is our 1st certified EV dealer and body builder in Georgia. And just last week, we announced our expanded California presence Adding Western Truck Exchange as a

Operator

certified Workhorse dealer.

Speaker 2

Adding Western Truck allows us to grow our dealer network through a trusted operator in the critical Southern California end market, which has some of the most favorable government incentives in the country. The map on the slide shows we are planning to move forward with our plan to onboard 6 The 8 new dealers in 2023, most crucial is our expansion on the I-five quarter out west, I-ninety five along the Eastern Seaboard, as well as the Southeast and Southwest regions of the United States. Finally, we have strong customer interest in the W56 and look forward to getting production level quality trucks Our hands for field demonstrations and trials in Q3 and Q4. Several large last mile delivery components companies In the packaged goods, baking, industrial supply and food service industries are requesting field W56 demonstrations. Our intent is to perform those demos and then secure firm POs for Q4 'twenty three and 'twenty four to 'twenty six by year end.

Speaker 2

Moving on to Slide 8, we continue to execute on our stables by workhorse package delivery routes for FedEx Ground. Based on our field performance, we have expanded our route assignments By about 20%. We now have 5 Class 4 EV units in the delivery fleet, fleet W4, 4 W750s and a W4CC box truck. This represents about half of our operating fleet. We are on track to add W5C56 vehicles to the fleet in the 4th quarter.

Speaker 2

With these additional EVs in service, we will gain valuable insight for our white paper We are also continuing to review options for a second stables operation location in an incentive supported state. In summary, we are gaining tremendous real world experience to better serve independent contractor fleets as they make the transition to EVs. On Slide 9, our Aerospace team has been very active since the beginning of the year. As a result of the technical progress, operational capabilities And the quality of our products, we have been able to earn our 1st commercial drone purchase orders for our industry leading horsefly product. These purchase orders evaluate the nearly 5 years of developmental work and investments we have made in this product and a testament to the technical progress of our aerospace team.

Speaker 2

We have completed multiple flights in support of our initial USDA grants in Arkansas and Mississippi to support underserved farmers and ranchers in those areas. Due to the success of these efforts, we have received a new $900,000 grant in Mississippi with scanning operations commencing in the Q3 of this year. Our humanitarian aid and logistics operations or HALO aircraft, which was developed in 142 days, performed multiple demonstrations with U. S. Military and other U.

Speaker 2

S. Government Entities. We have also successfully field tested the HALO internationally and are working hard to secure our initial orders for the HALO aircraft We are very excited about the advances we've made in our Aerospace business and believe we're well positioned to capture many of the opportunities in front of us in the market and create With that, I'll now turn the call over to Bob to discuss our financial results.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Rick. Let's turn to Slide 10 to discuss our Q2 financial results. Our Q2 results reflect the team's focus on operational execution and financial discipline. We continue to ramp up production delivery of our vehicles and expect that to continue throughout the rest of this year, which will drive strong results. At the same time, we are taking steps to become a more efficient organization and manage our cash burn effectively.

Speaker 3

Turning now to our results. Gross sales for the Q2 of 2023 were recorded at $6,400,000 less an allowance of $2,400,000 for potential HVIP voucher impact, while CARB finalizes Workhorse's HVIP eligibility. Sales net of returns and allowances for the Q2 of 2023 were $4,000,000 compared to 0 in the same period last year. The increase in sales is primarily due to sales volume of the W4CC vehicle in the current period. Just a couple of comments on the GreenPower HVIP voucher impact.

Speaker 3

Until CARB finalizes our voucher status, we are holding an allowance on the 40 and 40 of the W4ACCs we sold. We anticipate a favorable outcome, but are dependent on the resolution of several factors outside of our control at the moment. Cost of sales increased to $8,400,000 from $3,000,000 in the same period last year. The increase in cost of sales was primarily due to the $4,800,000 increase in costs related to the vehicle And a $600,000 increase in employee compensation and related expenses. Selling, general and administrative expenses increased to $14,000,000 from $13,000,000 in the same period last year.

Speaker 3

The increase was primarily driven by a $500,000 increase in employee And a $500,000 increase in other operational expenses. The increase was partially offset by a $600,000 decrease in legal expenses. Research and development expenses stayed consistent during the 3 months ended June 30, 2023, 2022 at $5,100,000 $5,000,000 respectively. Net interest income was $500,000 compared to $100,000 of interest expense in the same period last year. Net interest income in the current year period was driven by interest earned on cash of the company's money market investment account.

Speaker 3

Net loss The quarter ended June 30, 2023 was $23,000,000 compared to a net loss of $21,200,000 in the same quarter last year. Loss from operations for the 2nd quarter Was $23,500,000 compared to $21,100,000 in the same quarter last year. Turning to Slide 11 to discuss our balance First of all, we continue to enjoy being debt free. As of June 30, 2023, we have approximately $62,400,000 in cash and cash equivalents. While our cash burn rate was significant during the quarter, we expect it to decrease overall throughout the rest of 2023, despite increased working capital requirements and R and D activities.

Speaker 3

The bulk of the cash flow has been used for working capital, both for the green power chassis, but also the required materials to ensure a smooth launch for the W56 next As you can see, we had inventory increased by $25,800,000 year over year. Additionally, through the first half of this year, we have spent $11,400,000 on CapEx To fund these cash needs, we have our at the market program in place. During the Q2, we issued 24,300,000 shares under the ATM program For net proceeds of $21,700,000 leaving up to $121,800,000 available through the issuance of shares of common stock under the ATM program. Along with advancing our product roadmap, we are taking steps to ensure we have the financial resources to achieve our goals. From a position of strength, we are evaluating a range of options As part of these efforts, we are contemplating Transactions involving common stock are the issuance of equity linked securities, including convertible debt.

Speaker 3

These options will only be available to us if We are asking stockholders to help us build a financial bridge to continued growth and long term stockholder value by voting for A proposal to increase the number of authorized shares of Workhorse common stock at the company's upcoming special meeting. Our plans are very straightforward to use any capital raised to fund the operations of the company, specifically working capital, operating expenses and as required capital expenditures. On July 25, we filed a definitive proxy statement, which outlines additional details regarding the proposal and special meeting. Turning to Slide 12, we are revising our 2023 guidance, now expecting to generate between $65,000,000 $85,000,000 in revenue this year. One driver of this recalibration has been the lack of availability of HPIP vouchers in California for the Green Power Chassis vehicles.

Speaker 3

We expect this administrative issue will be resolved quickly, but it has negatively impacted our sales to date. A second driver of the revenue guidance is the W56 Certification lag of about 45 days. When we first established our product roadmap plan 2 years ago, we anticipate the W56 would launch occur in August. We are on track to launch the chassis in August, the Step Van launch at the end of September. This is a gating event as getting these production quality demos into the hands of customers is I will also add there is an EV adoption challenges across the industry that dealers and fleets are working through, mostly around infrastructure and technician training.

Speaker 3

The new CARB mandated clean fleet regulations, which take effect in California in 2024 We'll likely force customers to move a bit quicker towards EV Powered Vehicles in the near future. We see increased sales quoting opportunities, especially from government funded entities in California In that vein, I also want to spend a minute on how we are thinking about the importance of vehicle volumes in the Union City plant for the balance of the year. As I've said before, our fixed costs of the plant are low. In addition, our contribution margin is positive for each EV we sell. What that means in practical terms is that with Quarterly vehicle volumes of about 300 trucks, we expect to generate a positive gross margin for the company.

Speaker 3

Reaching this threshold is one of our key imperatives in the near term One final note, our Q2 10 Q will be filed on Monday, August 14. And with that, I'll now turn the call back to Rick.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Bob. No one said that making the transition from technology startup to becoming a full services OEM would be easy. And let me tell you that it's not. Here at Workhorse, we are taking 2 technology startups, our commercial vehicles business and our aerospace business Through this challenging transition, it takes long hours, great teamwork, significant capital resources, time and patience to get the job done. After 2 plus years of incredibly tough duty, we are on the precipice of successfully getting Workhorse to the starting line in terms of being able to build and ship safe, reliable, Thank you, everyone.

Speaker 2

We are poised to capture demand as the combination of consumer and government regulations continue driving the transition from ICE to Eby Powered Technology. Let me briefly discuss our Q3 priorities, which are outlined on Slide 13. We remain laser focused on advancing our product roadmaps according to plan. We continue to ramp up production of the W750 while simultaneously for the start of production of the W56 strip chassis next month. This also means completing W56 Step Van durability testing as well as installing cab and body process equipment in Union City in Q3.

Speaker 2

We also plan to ramp Tropos production to 50 units a in Q4 to meet accelerated demand for those vehicles. We must profitably grow our CV sales. This means completing the build out of our sales organization For both CV as well as aero, we must secure CARB and EP certification for the W56 and secure HVIP vouchers for all of our vehicles. Expanding our certified dealer network is also necessary. We will continue to showcase our innovative high quality electric vehicles through fleet demonstrations And test drives that get demo trucks in the hands of select fleet customers and dealers to secure Q4 'twenty three and 2024 orders.

Speaker 2

In relation to our Aerospace business, our focus remains on securing additional purchase orders and receiving and earning additional government funding grants. We will continue to carry out flight testing and field demonstrations for industry partners and government officials in the coming quarters and expect to move into low volume drone assembly in Q4. Finally, we will execute Phase 2 of our ERP system and begin to exercise the lean systems across our supply chain and manufacturing operations that we move in Before we turn the call over to Q and A, I want to touch on Slide 14, which discuss the special shareholder meeting that Bob mentioned. Since I joined Workhorse as CEO in August of 2021, We have significantly transformed the business, executing a clear strategy to stabilize, fix and ultimately grow Workhorse into a viable commercial EV OEM. We have strengthened the company's financial position.

Speaker 2

We have addressed balance sheet issues and resolved legacy legal issues. These actions provided us with the financial flexibility to invest in our turnaround efforts to date in our people, our products, our plants and our processes. As I mentioned, our focused efforts have put us on the precipice of success.

Speaker 4

We

Speaker 2

already emerged not only as a survivor, but as a leader in the transition to Commercial EV Powered Systems, both on the ground and in the air. That said, as we look ahead, we need to ensure we have the necessary financial resources and flexibility to complete our transition. As Bob said, we are evaluating a range of options to fund our next phase of production and profitable growth. I want to be clear about what this means and why we are looking for the authority to issue additional equity. Simply put, we will use the additional equity to obtain new financing We cleaned up our balance sheet and financed our efforts to date.

Speaker 2

The financing options that we are looking at require us to issue more shares. We are looking to issue a reasonable amount of shares In order for us to successfully continue on our journey, we need our shareholders to vote for the proposal to increase the number of authorized shares of Workhorse common stock. We have launched the website, www.vote, w k hs.com, which provides additional information for shareholders regarding the special meeting and how to vote. In closing, being a pioneer in the commercial EV space is no easy task. It takes hard work, Courage and some luck to be successful.

Speaker 2

I'm incredibly proud of the progress we're making here at Workhorse. I'm incredibly proud of our team Doing all the hard work and I have the utmost confidence in our path forward to deliver growth, profitability and stockholder value. That concludes our prepared remarks. Thank you again for your time this morning and your support. We're now ready to open the call for your questions.

Speaker 2

Kevin, please provide the appropriate instructions.

Operator

Certainly, we will now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question is coming from Colin Rusch from Oppenheimer. Your line is now live.

Speaker 5

Hey, thanks so much guys.

Speaker 6

And can you talk

Speaker 5

a little bit about the dynamics with the customers in closing deals? Certainly, there's a number of elements in any given deal, including some of the local Subsidies, the charging infrastructure and the vehicle availability. But can you talk a little bit about any sort of Anything that's standing out as a delay here for you guys in terms of closing deals and folks taking delivery?

Speaker 2

Sure. 1st and foremost, people want to get their hands on the trucks and actually operate them not just looking at a PowerPoint slide. So getting a W750 to the field is critical. We now have 3 or 4 of those out with our sales team doing product demos at dealers. W4CC, we had to go out and secure build slots to put on boxes in the back of trucks.

Speaker 2

We have some of that being done right now. And W56, while we've had a couple of prototypes out in the field, 1 in Washington and 1 in the West Coast, Washington, D. C, They weren't production quality ready, right? They still had some issues we needed to get addressed, okay? So the big fleets, the ones who really drive this segment of the market Class 4 6, they basically told we're very interested in your products, get us products that are production quality off of production tooling, Finish with testing.

Speaker 2

We want to do demos anywhere from 2 weeks to 4 weeks and then we're prepared to place orders. So that's number 1, Getting real products through testing and through production. 2, the big companies I will say have a Pretty solid plan of what they're going to do over the next 5 to 15 years to electrify their fleets. That includes putting the electrical The substation is in and connecting to the grid and getting the charging systems in and in a very clear The cadence of moving their fleets from ICE to EV, whether it's UPS or FedEx or DHL, we've been in discussions with all those They have a clear plan and I think that will become the biggest customers going forward, right? The smaller fleets are moving with a little bit of wariness, I'll say.

Speaker 2

They're not convinced about EV. They have range anxiety issues. They have battery liability issues, warranty issues, etcetera. They don't like the cost. They've got to work their way through the voucher systems, whether that's in California, New York or New Jersey.

Speaker 2

So those are a little harder to convince and that's part of why we do stable. Now that we run our own small fleet, we can go out and show that document to them by early next year. This shows here, we took 10 trucks, Raggedy, old, crappy trucks, 100,000 to 450,000 miles that are always down or in repair. We talked to 1 of the large fleets. They have over 15% of their trucks done on any given day.

Speaker 2

That should be a target rich environment for us. Where we're seeing stronger interest and it gets it's building almost I'll say every month is in government funded acquisitions of government fleets, whether that's at State level, the county level, the city level, the police departments, the school systems. The money is flowing from the federal government down to states To these entities, they've been tasked to start electrifying their fleet both at the federal and state level. And we've added to our sales team An experienced government salesperson with over 18 years selling to governments both here in North America and across the world and we think that's going to help us as well. Does that help, Colin?

Speaker 2

Yes.

Speaker 6

It's incredibly helpful. I appreciate all

Speaker 5

the detail. And then just looking at the testing process with the vehicles, can you talk a little bit about Were you been surprised to the upside in terms of the performance of the vehicles and where there are some elements that may need some incremental tinkering?

Speaker 2

Well, 1st couple of weeks W56 testing, we had a few brackets breaks. And so I get a weekly report, sometimes a daily report if we've had a failure. So I decided after one of our program used to go up to the test myself. I've been in a lot of test tracks in my career. I've never been on a test track like that.

Speaker 2

I'm telling you, maybe I'm getting older, but I can barely walk the next few days because I had to brace myself. The track is so rough. It's about a 4.5 mile long loop Over cobblestones, dirt roads, gravel roads, concrete, broken concrete, Belgium Rumble strips up and down. It was a hell of a test. Now I understand why we had some brackets break.

Speaker 2

We had a bracket break on 1 of our thermal management Container Systems, we had a bracket back on our rear door. Here's what I'd tell you, our powertrain is performing marvelously, All right. We're getting the range we think. We may even exceed some of the range targets. I'll get the final report next week.

Speaker 2

Our chassis system has done very well. We've had to go from No load at first, the partial load and now we're running the truck in its final stages at £10,000 fully loaded. Obviously, you learn a few things along the way once you get put more load in the truck. Nothing surprising to me. In fact, I'm very happy.

Speaker 2

As I said in my comments, I saw 4 or 5 of our competitors' trucks up there. 2 of them were down, had been down for 2 weeks. 1 couldn't retain its charging systems. So, won't comment on who they were or what they were, but I know they are. And our trucks have performed very well and we're probably 65% of the way through our testing right now, about 30 days behind schedule, 1st 1st couple of weeks is a little tough and then we have one incident we have to take care of.

Speaker 2

But we're on track to finish that testing as we head into September.

Speaker 5

That's super helpful. Thanks guys.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Kyle.

Operator

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Chris Souther from B. Riley

Speaker 7

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions here. Maybe just a little more color on the HVIP certification path and anticipated timing of resolution there. Can you give us a sense what kind of the holdup was there? And Any sense to the mix of sales that were anticipated in California this year under that program under the guidance?

Speaker 2

Yes, good question, Chris. Our W4CC and our W750 are built off the green power chassis that we buy from overseas. That's called the EV Star. And the EV Star is on the CARB executive orders. Our W-4CC and W-seven fifty are not.

Speaker 2

So we need to get our vouchers through GreenPower and there's some technical legal issues around the dealerships in California and we got that resolved, right? Right now, we're working with both KARB and GreenPower to resolve an issue out there with those 2 assets those 2 entities. We're kind of caught in the middle. We think it's an administrative issue and we are working hard to get that resolved. We hope to get that resolved here in August, if not early September.

Speaker 2

It's critical to our success. It costs us probably a few dozen orders and shipments in the Q2. So We need to get that done. Obviously, the fleet mandate kicks in, in January and we're starting to see RFQs across up Northern and Southern California, everywhere in California for electric vehicles, we got to get this done. And we're working 2 pass.

Speaker 2

1, we get our vouchers as we're supposed to from GreenPower Or we get our own allotment on executive order from Karp. Bob, anything else I need at least cover on that? No, that covers it.

Speaker 7

Okay. That's helpful. And then maybe just overall on the customer side, can you walk through like where the visibility today stands on the full And then maybe just additional color around sounds like large fleets are moving Faster than smaller fleets, which makes sense, but you called out kind of government kind of owned fleet as an area that you're particularly excited about. Just Any sense as to kind of what you think the mix is there between public and private fleets for this year?

Speaker 3

I'll go ahead and start on the outlook in general, Chris. It's really kind of predicated on 2 things. One is on the W4CCs getting build slots Making sure that those can be upfit and delivered to end customers is the driver there, and we see some opportunities and progress on that. And then of course, the big one is the launch of the W56 and being able to get those step vans out first in demos to the bigger fleets and then to And those are the drivers of what we see in the Q4 for the sales side. In terms of The breakdown in fleets, we've started our focus with dealers first, now moving to fleets and then Just now adding in a government focus as we've seen those opportunities.

Speaker 3

So right now, I think it's probably For the rest of this year, more weighted to the dealer side, but hopefully, we start to make some movements on the fleet and the government side here quickly Because those could turn vehicles very fast.

Speaker 2

Yes, I think when we originally started down this path, we were kind of novices, I'll say about the Upfitting and Custom Bodybuilding segment and how long that takes and how sold out some of those guys were. We purposely pivoted in the Q2 to identify those dealers who have either in house or affiliated custom bodybuilders in their region. And so you see us moving away from more Class 6, 8 type dealerships over to these work type truck dealerships. We have the Pritchard family You've been very supportive of us since the day I got here and I appreciate that very much. They've done the yeoman's work helping us identify that and build secure build slots.

Speaker 2

Also, the only thing I'd say is, there are some dealers who are a little bit gun shy, right? There's a concern about how fast The transition to EV vehicles will actually happen in the industry. I think the clean fleet mandate that California and CARB passed earlier this This year is really going to change the game for us from a supply and demand standpoint out in California and then as it moves up the I-five quarter north. And I think there's also read the industry, there's been a lot EVs haven't made it. And so there's concern about viability of the EV companies, right?

Speaker 2

And are you going to be here to service your truck and warranty your truck and continue production? It's One of the reasons we're going out for the share issuance, so we can make sure we can tell the customers we have a clear path forward to financial viability. And as Bob said, we built this company from a cost structure that doesn't take a lot of trucks across our fixed assets to get the gross positive margins, Gross margin positive. So all right, we got some work to do. You get full positive free cash flow because we have an overhead cost structure here, but We'll address that over the next 18 months.

Speaker 7

Yes. It's all up in the queue.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Jeff Osborne from TD Cowen. Your line is now live.

Speaker 8

Thank you. Good morning. Just a couple of questions on my end. I think you folks mentioned the 300 units to get the gross margin Positive and hoping to get there in Q4, Q1. Can you talk about what the volumes would be needed to get the cash flow breakeven?

Speaker 3

Well, Jeff, we're kind of starting with gross margin here. We think with our cost structure and the contribution margin that that's why we're confident in this 300 number as we move forward. Obviously, it is dependent on we have multiple vehicles, it's dependent on mix and all those things. But Assuming a normal average mix, that's what we anticipate. A little bit further out to get to total, as Rick said, we have an Operating expense cost structure to cover, so we really haven't gone out that far and ready to talk about that just yet.

Speaker 3

But the first step has always been positive gross margin. Well, the first step was actually positive contribution margin. We're there. So now the next step is positive gross margin We'll keep going in terms of what we talk about.

Speaker 2

Yes, we've done some math, Jeff. We'll talk about that later this year or next year.

Speaker 8

Okay. Look forward to that. Just two other quick ones. I'm not looking for you to endorse consensus for 2024, but I think Wall Street has you around $200,000,000 give or take. What level of sales Do you anticipate from California, is that sort of half the mix?

Speaker 8

I just would have thought with the IRA bill and having a nationwide credit The HSIP program wouldn't have been as impactful as it was to the revised guidance for 'twenty three. So I'm just trying to get a sense of perspective as you look out over Do you anticipate California being half the mix or bigger or smaller?

Speaker 3

I think the key there, Jeff, is the incentives are only part of the story. I think if you look at the 3 legs of this, you got incentives, you got adoption, And then you got what's driving urgency. And while they exist, in fact, incentives in New York, for example, are greater, California is driving the urgency by some of the new rules that really take effect in 2024. So In terms of percentage, we haven't really calculated it, but it's significant.

Speaker 2

Yes, I think that the clean fleet rule says that 9% of your new vehicle purchase need to be electric. Whether you're Ryder, Penske, FedEx, UPS, DHL, Cintas, PepsiCo, all those fleets in California are going to see a 9% penetration next year of electric vehicles, It ramps up that to that. So I do expect California to carry the bulk of the early EV adoption, but we're seeing some pretty aggressive programs in In and around the New York City area, down in Florida with some of the state governments and across the school systems. One of the things we've learned from Tropos is they've had Good success at some of the school systems out west, University of Arizona School System, University of California School System, Where the schools are adopting the electric vehicles. We're following right behind their footprint there to bring our trucks to the market.

Speaker 8

Got it. And just one last follow-up on Chris Sothers' question on the HSIB program. Does the revised guidance Essentially, a mandate that you resolve that in August or what's the risk that if we don't see a resolution this month?

Speaker 2

I'd say the sooner we can resolve it, the better. We have one customer out there, one dealer who's told us Based on the inquiries he has, he thinks he can sell 15 to 20 trucks a month. Right now, he only has 10. He hasn't made a second order yet. We're just waiting for to get the HPIP vouchers.

Speaker 2

We just signed up the Western Truck. There's a lot of demand in the LA County area for sure. It's pretty critical for us. I'd say that's something that will be on our radar screen and that's something we won't wait for quarterly earnings once we get that resolved. That will be something we get out there.

Speaker 8

But if you don't, then you would hit the high end or sorry, the low end of guidance. And if you do, you could hit the high end. I'm just trying to understand the 20

Speaker 2

I'd say there's some if we don't get it, I'd say there's some risk to us in the low end of the guidance. If we get it, then I think we might have a better shot at the top end of the guidance. How's that? So So it's probably the number one on my whiteboard in my office number 1 is get car executive order and vouchers. We have 3 or 4 people including a couple Sometimes things move a little slower than you like in the business world.

Speaker 2

How's that? It's being nice.

Speaker 8

Understand, Rick. Good luck in Sacramento.

Speaker 2

Yes. I'm on the way there in a few weeks here, so for sure.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Greg Lewis from BTIG. Your line

Speaker 2

Yes. Thank you and good morning. And thank you for taking my questions. Bob, I was hoping to get a little more color. I don't know how granular we want to be, but as we think about this year guidance and we think about the buckets, let's Call it, your vehicles, tropos, stables and stalls and drones.

Speaker 2

Is there any kind of way to Think about the revenue contributions, maybe if you could just think about how you're thinking about vehicles versus Other or however you want to think about that, just trying to get a better sense for where those drivers of the revenue in

Speaker 3

Sure. So let's start at the kind of bottom and work up here. On the Tropo side, it's been a challenge on the supply chain getting the kits in so we can turn around and finish them. That's not once we get them, we can turn around very quickly and get them out the door. We do expect it to ramp up in the 3rd quarter versus 4th quarter or versus the 2nd quarter, but not to the point where it's game changing on the revenue.

Speaker 3

Remember, one of these trucks Because it's we're assembling them, it's dramatically different revenue convert compared to one of our trucks. So We do expect continued growth there, but in terms of modeling out, it's not huge dollars there. Next up the list is we've broken through on our first drone sales, but really getting those to scale. While I think it will be significant progress this year, it's not a big contributor to your revenue model. Now it gets us into the trucks.

Speaker 3

And there if you think about the 4 Really four versions we're focused on. You've got the Class IIIIV cab chassis, the step van in the Class IIIIV, step van in the Class 5, 6 and then the strip chassis on the Class 5, 6. And as we start to turn the cab chassis as build slots available and credits, etcetera. We expect that to be a significant contributor. And then, of course, the step van and the W56 is to be the real Lynch And so those are the 2 keys, those 2 vehicles and then the 750 and the Strip chassis will be important but not as important as the other 2.

Speaker 2

Yes. So Greg, if I throw some color in there, I think in my remarks we talked about We can build and ship up to 300 W4CCs yet this year, about 50 up to 50 on the W750 that's a much more complex product, A lot more part numbers, a lot more work at our manufacturing facility. W56, we'll start rolling the chassis down the line. We got a couple of pieces of equipment due in the next 2 weeks. We'll start running chassis this month and advance next month assuming we get through all the final testing and certification there.

Speaker 2

So vehicles is the Bread and butter for this company, Stable Installers makes a little bit of money for us and profitable money. Tropos, we've gone through the growing pains as Bob said with their kit suppliers. We actually Pause for almost 6 weeks until they got their act together. We got the new kits in July. They were about 90% accurate versus about 50% accurate before.

Speaker 2

We're building those every day basically, probably ramping from 16 to 32 to 50 a month on pace. And Aero is both a combination of drone sales, which is we're still at the very cusp of the early of the Drones for delivery, the drones for scanning which is mostly drones as a service for us is a big opportunity and we do think the HALO after it gets to a few more tests In a couple of tough situations environments, I should say, we should pick up some orders that we can announce later this year. Okay, great. Super helpful. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Greg.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Mike Schliske from D. A. Davidson. Your line is now live.

Speaker 4

Yes, hello. Good morning and thanks for taking my questions. I'm going to start off with some of the news that happened today in the EV space. One of the large hiring makers in the EV Trust space announced their bankruptcy. To my knowledge, Workhorse is not using that company.

Speaker 4

I guess, first, if you could just confirm that for any of your models. And then secondly, Rick, you've been an expert or been talking about supply chain For quite some time, can you give us a sense as to how you plan any condensities in the battery supply chain? It's hard to get one certified to kind of figure it out. Do you have just in case your current providers can't deliver, do you have a backup plan

Speaker 2

Yes. We don't have any exposure to Proterra from a Chapter 11 standpoint. I got that notice when I was driving home from a customer dealer event last night. And so we have no exposure there. Supply chain, we have written guarantee of our battery supplies for this year and next from our current supplier.

Speaker 2

We're confident they're the largest battery manufacturer in the world today, I think. And we have taken a look at Other sources, some in North America that are coming online in 'twenty four, 'twenty five and we have other ones. And our current supplier is talking about building his own factory here in North America. So we have a our supply chain team has a very detailed outlook of where we can get batteries for and what price Per kilowatt hour and the one we have right now is the best we could do. We think we're competitive on battery costs versus some of Our peers or competitors and we are looking at different options out in the future.

Speaker 4

That's great. I appreciate that color. I also want to get some feel for the change in guidance and some of The brief delay you've got in kind of the rollout here on W56. I guess it's a 2 part question. First, do we just push, Call it the difference in the midpoint, call it $1,000,000 or so revenue into the Q1 of next year?

Speaker 4

And does that shift anything from the Q1 to the Q2 And then more broadly speaking, Rick, you've been in this space for quite some time and you share with us, do you think it's The issue with some of the fleets is beyond just getting the charging infrastructure, but also they're just hesitant to invest when e commerce is in A tougher spot right now. I'm just just curious as to the broader CapEx thoughts from what you're hearing from us at least nowadays.

Speaker 2

I'll let Bob talk about guidance, but let me I'll go I'll peel the onion backwards. I do think there's some here's my experience from the heavy truck industry when I was at Accuride. Heavy truck experiences recession first. They start seeing the volumes go down in freight movements. They stop ordering trucks.

Speaker 2

They stop ordering trailers. I do see and I've talked to some of my friends in the industry that there's starting to be some caution on the fleet operators of how much capital they're going to outlay Going forward, you saw the big notice last week, yellow freight went down Chapter 11, 30,000 jobs lost, right? That will ripple across the industry. There's concerns up in Detroit about the UAW putting a very tough demands on the big three and how that's going to ripple across the automotive industry and the Supply chain, right? Talking about taking the industry back 20 years when GM and Chrysler went bankrupt.

Speaker 2

So I guess they want to bankrupt again. I don't know. I got to be careful what I say, I guess. But At the end of the day, it's an interesting time. I think I've talked to multiple dealers.

Speaker 2

I've talked Multiple fleets. They've had multiple EV companies come pitch them and then that EV company doesn't deliver on their promises, whether that's Whoever, how many trucks they're going to build, how many plants they're going to build, and now they have nothing to show for, right? We're one of the few EV companies that has a world class factory. We're one of the few EV companies in the commercial space that has products running down the production line, not at the volumes we want or not We got to button down the end of the dealer network and get the trucks in the hands of the people then I think it will start going, okay. Everybody believes the EV world is going to turn overnight.

Speaker 2

We said from the day I got here, this is a multi decade transition to EVs. We're building the foundations. We're going very slow, very methodical, probably slower than our investors want, slower than we want some days, but we are building a rock solid company That's going to be here to stand the test of time. So, you want to talk about guidance?

Speaker 3

Yes, I'll talk a little bit about that. So, Mike, basically when we look at this, we look at our reduction as somewhat internal, somewhat external, whether it's H The vouchers or the delay, the roughly 45 delay in the W56 internal and then you've got infrastructure and Adoption that we'd also talked about as well. But all those things combined all suggest Timing versus demand, we don't look at this as a demand change. We look at this as a timing to get those things worked out and flowing through the process correctly. So To kind of simplify that down to your question, we look at far more as a push than a reduction.

Speaker 2

As a ex military guy, we know what our objective is. The battlefield is a little tougher than we thought. We're learning lessons as we move across into the zone there, right? So we had logistics issues. We had import issues.

Speaker 2

We had quality delivery issues. We had tooling issues. We had engineering test issues. We're working through them 1 at a time, fighting the battle, fighting the battle, moving the ball down the field, eventually we'll get in the Okay. So, 0 sales last year, dollars 6,000,000 this year.

Speaker 2

We took a reserve because of the CARB issue. Now we'll go resolve the CARB issue. We get that resolved. We We have W56, then we've got to we have products that I can put our name on behind it, safe, reliable, capable trucks that do the job. When I got here 2 years ago, our friends at one of the customers said, your truck you have is not anywhere close to being viable for us.

Speaker 2

It can't carry our payload and it won't last That same customer is now in discussion with us about buying trucks that have a life of 15 to 20 years and carry £10,000 We're really proud of that. I was out in our prototype center this morning. I think there's 14 or 12 vehicles up there, W4CCs, W750s, W56, Old eGen is being retrofitted and a couple of the old C1000s were still taking some of the lessons learned out there. Software engineers are out there, wiring guys are out there. It's like a bee's nest

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Craig Irwin from ROTH MKM. Your line is now live.

Speaker 6

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. So most of the things I wanted to ask have already been addressed. But Rick, I was hoping you could give us

Speaker 8

a little bit more color on the

Speaker 6

administration calendar. This is obviously something that's going to play an important role as far as how the second half comes together and then obviously in 24. How scheduled are you at the moment for demonstrations on your different vehicle platforms? Do you feel that there's an Opportunity for fleets raising their hand now to come in and get the appropriate amount of time on vehicles. And do you maybe need to

Speaker 2

Great question. We've had that debate in our biweekly program reviews. We started with like maybe 3 or 5 program vehicles. I think we're now up to 8 to 12. That comes down to part availability in terms of launching.

Speaker 2

I think we're selling right now between 8 to 12. I've got we got a program with you next week, I think, to button that down. I do think we'll have to add a few more to our build schedule, okay? We have one customer who wants 2 trucks. He wants a strip chassis with somebody else's body on that he currently uses in the field, then he wants our strip chassis with our van configured to his demands, which is different than what we build today.

Speaker 2

So we got a lot of moving pieces You're talking about the big guys, right? We're talking about UPS. Their truck is slightly different than a FedEx truck. FedEx Fleet is very diverse between the FedEx Ground and the FedEx Express vehicles. Some are owned, some are owned by contractors.

Speaker 2

DHL has a different demand. We're working with 1 of the large retail companies right now on an order for 100 to 300 trucks. They're trying to decide between a W750 For a W4CC with a different backing on the back. You have both those vehicles going to that customer for about a 2 week Trials August 14. So we're basically managing customer by customer.

Speaker 2

One customer wants a 6 month trial Before he plops down a bunch of investments, right? So that's kind of where we shifted to. I'm very confident in the plant. I like what the lessons we learned on the W4CC, much a little more difficult than we expected when we got the Green Power Vehicles. W750 was, I'll say, some self inflicted wounds on some late design changes.

Speaker 2

I think we dealt with almost 200 design changes from our first pilot build to our first Production build, that's a hell of a lot of engineering work, a hell of a lot of supply chain work that people really can't appreciate unless you're actually in the mix, right, And now the W56. So I'm confident by Q1 we're running in production and now it's our job for sales team to go lock up the vouchers and go get the dealers That's kind of where we are here at Workhorse.

Speaker 6

Great. Well, congrats on the progress there and I'll hop back in the queue. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Greg. Thanks, Greg.

Operator

Thank you. We've reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for any further or closing comments.

Speaker 2

I just want to say thanks again for your interest in Workhorse. For those shareholders listening, we do need your vote for The shareholder proposal, you can trust us to use those shares wisely and as effectively as possible. Our goal here is to create a company you'll be proud of and that can create shareholder value going forward over the next few years. Thanks for your interest and we'll see you on the road somewhere.

Operator

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