NASDAQ:QIPT Quipt Home Medical Q4 2024 Earnings Report $2.17 +0.03 (+1.40%) Closing price 05/2/2025 04:00 PM EasternExtended Trading$2.17 0.00 (0.00%) As of 05/2/2025 04:46 PM Eastern Extended trading is trading that happens on electronic markets outside of regular trading hours. This is a fair market value extended hours price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. Earnings HistoryForecast Quipt Home Medical EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.07Consensus EPS $0.01Beat/MissMissed by -$0.08One Year Ago EPSN/AQuipt Home Medical Revenue ResultsActual RevenueN/AExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AQuipt Home Medical Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2024Date12/16/2024TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, December 17, 2024Conference Call Time10:00AM ETUpcoming EarningsQuipt Home Medical's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Monday, May 12, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Tuesday, May 13, 2025 at 10:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptReportAnnual Report (10-K)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Quipt Home Medical Q4 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrDecember 17, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Fiscal 4th Quarter and Audited Full Year 20 24 Earnings Results Conference Call for equipped Home Medical Corp. As a reminder, all participants are in a listen only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity for analysts to ask questions. Operator00:00:35We remind you that the remarks today will include forward looking statements that are subject to important risks and uncertainties. For more information on these risks and uncertainties, please see the reader advisory at the bottom of the company's results news release. The company's actual performance could differ materially from these statements. At this point, I'd like to turn the call over to Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Greg Crawford. Speaker 100:01:05Thank you, operator, and thank you to everyone joining us today. I'm Greg Crawford, Chairman and CEO of Quip Thome Medical. I'm pleased to have Hardik Mehta, our Chief Financial Officer and Tom Breuerick, our Chief Accounting Officer also joining me today. Quip Thome Medical is a diversified healthcare services company delivering a comprehensive range of home medical equipment and services to patients across the United States. Our commitment is to clinical excellence powered by patient centric model and advanced technology enabled solutions. Speaker 100:01:37These combined with our specialized respiratory programs allow us to effectively meet patient needs in the comfort of their own homes. At present, Quipt has expanded to over 135 locations across 26 states with over 314,000 active patients, which has enabled us to strengthen our coast to coast reach. Our go to market strategy is anchored in delivering an end to end respiratory care solution supported by a diverse portfolio of durable medical equipment offerings. By operating as a one stop solution for patients and health care providers, we've built a scalable model designed to meet the complex and evolving needs of the DME ecosystem. Respiratory care represents approximately 80% of our product mix, highlighting our commitment to serving the patients with pulmonary and cardiovascular conditions. Speaker 100:02:32This focus aligns with powerful macro trends, including the aging population, the increased prevalence of COPD and the significant untapped potential in the sleep apnea market. These factors combined with our expertise and scale position us to meet the rising demand for high quality in home respiratory care solutions. On today's call, we will review our fiscal Q4 and full year 2024 results as well as provide insights into emerging demand trends, operational highlights and the strategic initiatives shaping our growth trajectory into fiscal 2025. For fiscal 2024, we achieved record revenue of $245,900,000 representing 16% year over year growth alongside a consistent adjusted EBITDA margin of 23 0.5%, leading to adjusted EBITDA of $57,900,000 an increase of 14% over last year. In real time, we are experiencing consistent demand across all major product categories with notable gains in our primary sales channels. Speaker 100:03:45We are pleased with the progress achieved in fiscal Q4, particularly as we continue to navigate through several unique industry wide challenges. In Q4, we returned to positive sequential organic growth of 1%, a meaningful improvement that reflects the resilience of our business. As discussed on previous conference calls, we have officially transitioned from IFRS to GAAP reporting standards aligning us with our U. S. Peers. Speaker 100:04:15As part of this change, bad debt expense is now reported within the revenue line, which inherently reduces the reported revenue figure. It's important to emphasize that this adjustment represents a change in presentation and does not represent a sudden loss of revenue. Bad debt expense has always previously been reported as a separate line item, and this adjustment simply reflects its inclusion within the revenue under GAAP. As mentioned, we returned to positive sequential revenue growth. Year over year organic growth was approximately 3%. Speaker 100:04:49Real time strength in referral activity across our product offerings has us well positioned to achieve sustained consistent organic growth in calendar 2025. Turning to our sleep business, we are pleased to report that GLP-one medications continue to have no negative impact on demand. Referral activity for new device setups remain steady, while replacement supply volumes have been strong. Recent real world data shared by a leading sleep device manufacturer involving 989,000 patients underscores the positive effects of GLP-one on treatment adherence. The study found that individuals with an obstructive sleep apnea, LSA diagnosis who were prescribed a GLP-one were 10.8% more likely to start CPAP therapy compared to those not on GLP-1s. Speaker 100:05:43Additionally, these patients exhibited higher resupply order rates over both 12 24 month periods. We believe GLP-one medications will serve as a long term tailwind for our sleep business, introducing more motivated patients into the healthcare system as they focus on improving their overall health. Moving to the ongoing civil investigative demand known as the CID, we continue working diligently to resolve this matter as quickly as possible and want to again make the point that the government has not determined that any wrongdoing has occurred at this time. We remain committed to transparency and will provide updates as appropriate. As it relates to the regulatory environment, late last week, the Centers For Medicare and Medicaid Services announced positive CPI adjustments for 2025 fee schedules ranging from 2.4% to 3% depending on the item and the location. Speaker 100:06:39Competitive bidding program items in former competitive bidding areas will see a 2.9% increase while competitive bidding program items in non CBA areas will receive a 3% increase. In rural areas, the fifty-fifty blended rate will continue with the 3% increase applied to the adjusted portion of the rate. This positive CPI adjustment will provide further support to our organic growth objectives for calendar 2025. During fiscal Q4, we prioritized creating additional efficiencies within our core operations, ensuring our organic growth ambitions for calendar 2025 are met. As we emerge from the industry wide challenges faced in 2024, we are actively exploring opportunities to allocate capital for further growth and value creation. Speaker 100:07:31As we head into calendar year 2025, we expect to see a return to our historical organic growth rate. Moving to the M and A landscape, it remains highly dynamic with numerous opportunities aligning with our disciplined acquisition criteria. Our pipeline is expanding and we remain focused on executing synergistic acquisitions at attractive multiples to enhance our scale. We are managing our debt conservatively with net leverage at 1.6 which gives us the flexibility to invest in strategic initiatives. As we move forward, we are confident in our ability to deliver exceptional patient care, strengthen relationships with payers and execute a disciplined scalable growth strategy. Speaker 100:08:16Through these efforts, we are well positioned to drive consistent long term value for our shareholders. With that commentary, I'd like to hand the call over to Hardik to discuss our fiscal Q4 and full year 2024 financial results. Speaker 200:08:32Thanks, Greg. On Monday evening, we announced our fiscal Q4 and full year 2024 financial results, representing the 3 months 12 months ended September 30, 2024. Please note that all financial values are in U. S. Dollars and are now reported under GAAP accounting principles with the comparison figures also reported in GAAP for consistency. Speaker 200:08:54Here are some key highlights. Respiratory resupply setups and deliveries increased to 480,000 for the year ended September 30, 2024 compared to 396,000 for the year ended September 30, 2023 reflecting a growth of 21% driven by our use of technology and centralized intake processes. The customer base grew 10% year over year serving 314,000 unique patients in fiscal year 2024 compared to 286,000 unique patients in fiscal year 2023. We completed 854,000 unique set upsdeliveries in fiscal year 2024, an increase of 13% from 754,000 unique setups deliveries in fiscal year 2023. Revenue for fiscal year 2024 was $245,900,000 compared to $211,700,000 in fiscal year 2023, representing a 16.2% year over year increase. Speaker 200:10:04Approximately 7,100,000 dollars or 3% was driven by organic growth. As part of GAAP, revenue is now inclusive of our bad debt expense. This change does not represent a sudden loss in revenue, but a different way of presenting bad debt in our financials. It's important to emphasize that bad debt expense has always existed and when reported separately from revenue. The difference now is its inclusion within revenue figure under GAAP. Speaker 200:10:34All comparison periods reflect this change. Beacon Rig revenue remains strong, exceeding 78% of total revenue in fiscal year 2024. Adjusted EBITDA for fiscal year 2024 was 57,900,000 dollars with a 23.5 percent margin compared to $50,600,000 and a 23.9% margin in fiscal year 2023. It represents a 14% increase year over year. For fiscal Q4, twenty twenty four revenue was $61,300,000 up 3% from $59,600,000 in fiscal Q4, 2023. Speaker 200:11:17We returned to positive sequential organic growth of 1%. Adjusted EBITDA for fiscal Q4, 2024 was $13,400,000 reflecting a 21.8% margin compared to $14,700,000 at 24.6% margin in fiscal Q4, 2023. This represents an 8.8% decrease year over year. Cash flow from continuing operations was $35,700,000 for the 12 months ended September 30, 2024 compared to $37,000,000 in the prior year. Excluding the impact of these reporting adjustments, Quip achieved positive sequential revenue growth of 1%, signaling that our underlying business fundamentals are improving. Speaker 200:12:04We expect that calendar year 2025 which begins with fiscal Q2 2025 will see a return to our historical organic growth rate. Operating expenses as a percentage of revenue came in at 49.8 percent in fiscal year 2024 compared to 48.7 percent the corresponding period in 2023. Acquisitions contributed approximately $8,600,000 of the increase. Professional fees related to the CID and the loss in foreign private issuer status contributed approximately $3,300,000 to the increase in fiscal 2024. For fiscal 2025, we anticipate lower CID professional fees with the objective to find resolution. Speaker 200:12:51Medical equipment CapEx also known as rental equipment transfers from inventory during the years ended September 30, 20242023 was $33,566,029,279,000. As of September 30, 2024, the company reported $16,200,000 in cash on hand compared to $14,400,000 in cash on hand as of June 30, 2024. The company has total credit availability of $34,700,000 including $13,700,000 available on the revolving credit facility and $21,000,000 on the delayed draw term loan facility. We maintain a conservative balance sheet with the net debt to adjusted EBITDA leverage ratio of 1.6x. Fiscal 2024 marked a year of resilience for our business in the face of multiple industry wide challenges that we absorbed, which negatively impacted our financial performance and prevented us from achieving our target of 8% to 10% annualized organic growth. Speaker 200:13:59The pause of the Medicare 7525 relief as of January 1, 2024 and the withdrawal of Medicare Advantage member due to the capitated agreement engaged with other providers in the industry impacted revenue by approximately $5,000,000 for the year ended September 30, 2024. Moreover, the estimated impact on collections on accounts receivable from the Change Healthcare cyber attack is estimated at approximately 3,000,000 dollars Despite the headwinds, we achieved record breaking results of $245,900,000 in revenue and achieved an adjusted EBITDA margin of 23.5%, which reflects our ability to drive operational efficiencies and scale. These results demonstrate the consistency of our performance even in periods of uncertainty and our ability to adapt to changing market dynamics. Our operating metrics remain strong supported by consistent demand trends and referral patterns across our diversified product and service mix. Importantly, the strength in this referral patterns offset the majority of the lost Humana Medicare Advantage patients highlighting the resilience of our business model. Speaker 200:15:11As we transition into calendar 2025, we are optimistic about our ability to sustain this underlying positive trends, supported by strong referral activity and demand for our end to end respiratory solutions. Fiscal 2024 showcased the stability and resilience of the business and we are well positioned for sustained growth and long term success. We expect consistent organic growth in calendar 2025 to return and that it will persist as we continue to drive volume through our organic sales team, the cross selling of products and continued expansion of the continuum of care in adjusted market. For fiscal 2025, our guidance continues to be for 6% to 8% free cash flow, a non GAAP measure. The company defines free cash flow as adjusted EBITDA less capital expenditures, both in cash and those financed recruitment loans and repayments of leases. Speaker 200:16:09The company believes free cash flow is useful supplemental financial measure for it and investors in assessing the company's ability to pay interest, repay the senior credit facility and pursue business opportunities and investments including making acquisitions. For fiscal 2024, the company reported $16,200,000 or 6.6 percent of revenue in free cash flow. The continued consistency of our revenue base is driven by our highly recurring revenue model, which accounts for more than 51% of our total revenue mix. Our resupply program is a major proponent of this recurring revenue base as we have significantly scaled now consists of 172,000 patients as of September 30, 2024. The resupply program represents an amazing growth area for us extending our patient's lifecycle with us. Speaker 200:17:02Our healthy balance sheet with $50,900,000 of liquidity provides ample flexibility to execute both our organic growth initiatives and strategic acquisition pipeline. With a modest net leverage of 1.6 times, we are well positioned to deploy a balanced mix of debt and cash to scale our business thoughtfully. With the expectation that the cost of capital environment will improve over time, we are confident in our ability to capitalize on strategic opportunities while maintaining financial discipline. The combination of our operational scale, financial strength and disciplined growth strategy positions us to deliver enhanced value for our shareholders in 2025 and beyond. As we continue to scale, the inherent operating efficiencies in our model will drive margin enhancement and long term value creation. Speaker 200:17:53Scale is a critical component of our strategy as it enhances our ability to meet increasing demand, depends on our market penetration and creates durable competitive advantages across our platform. Thank you. And with that update, I'll turn the call back to Greg. Speaker 100:18:11Thank you, Hardik, for that comprehensive overview of our financial performance and operational highlights. As Hardik outlined, fiscal 2024 was a resilient year for QuipT and we've entered into fiscal 2025 with regained momentum across our core business in light of the industry wide challenges that we faced. As we think about the opportunities ahead, I want to emphasize how we're positioning Quip for sustained success by continuing to execute on our growth roadmap. Delivering exceptional patient care is the foundation of our strategy. Our focus remains on addressing chronic respiratory conditions such as sleep apnea, COPD and other pulmonary diseases, ensuring that patients receive high quality care in the comfort of their homes. Speaker 100:18:56As we look to the future, we are constantly exploring ways to expand our reach and serve more patients by entering new markets and performing strategic partnerships with payers, referral sources and other health care providers. Our competitive edge lies in the combination of growing our market share, coast to coast footprint we have built and our robust clinical expertise. These strengths allow us to leverage economies of scale and deliver a seamless patient centric experience that meets the rising demand for home based care solutions. Looking at our growth roadmap, driving organic growth is our top priority with the target of returning to historical organic growth levels in 2025. We're leveraging demographic tailwinds such as the aging population and the increasing prevalence of chronic conditions to meet the growing demand for home based medical solutions. Speaker 100:19:50Our expanded sales force is focused on deepening connections with hospitals, networks, physicians and other referral partners, which is continuing to drive increase in referral activity. We also continue to make strategic investments in technologies to streamline workflows, reduce inefficiencies and improve patient outcomes. These tools are not only support operational excellence, but also enhance our recurring revenue streams. As it relates to the execution of our growth strategy, we are committed to leveraging technology in every way we can to consistently improve our operational performance. We focus on enhancing our workflow processes, which creates real value and removes friction points. Speaker 100:20:32To this end, we are working to expand our operating scale by making smart synergistic acquisitions in conjunction with our tried and true integration approach, which since 2018 effectively integrated 19 acquisitions representing over $150,000,000 of annualized revenue. Our intention is to focus on heavily weighted respiratory businesses, which can be successfully incorporated into infrastructure. Our overall objective continues to be to increase our payer base and geographic reach into advantageous geographies with a high prevalence of COPD. Given our sound fundamentals and our clear goals for calendar 2025, which includes returning to consistent organic growth, we will continue to actively engage with investors on both sides of the border and participate at conferences and roadshows to share our ongoing financial and operating achievements and our long term growth objectives. As we look ahead to fiscal 2025, we remain focused on driving sustainable organic growth, expanding our adjusted EBITDA margins and further strengthening our nationwide healthcare network. Speaker 100:21:49Our flexible capital structure and disciplined approach to financial management provide a solid foundation for executing our strategic initiatives, while our 1.6x leverage balance sheet ensures that we have the resources to capitalize on growth opportunities as they arise. Importantly, we are seeing consistent demand across our product portfolio in real time during fiscal Q1 2025 reinforcing our confidence in the momentum we are building going into calendar 2025. We are excited about the opportunities ahead and look forward to sharing our fiscal Q1 results with you in February. In closing, I would like to take this chance to thank the entire Quip team for their tireless work and our stakeholders for their continued support. Operator00:22:39We will now begin the analyst question and answer session. Our first question is from Richard Close with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Yes. Speaker 300:23:07Thanks for the questions. You guys called out the headwinds, 70five-twenty 5 expiration, Humana capitation agreement. So as I think about those, I think those you'll be lapping in the, I guess, in January. So should we think about the organic growth in here the December quarter as being somewhat similar to the 1% you just posted in 4Q? And then as the second quarter, Q3 and Q4 of fiscal 'twenty five come, you're more in that 8% to 10% annual range? Speaker 400:23:54Yes, I think that would be accurate. I think we are saying that as we go into calendar 2025, we should start hopefully start seeing organic growth rates that are kind of consistent with what we have been able to deliver in the past. Speaker 300:24:14Okay. And then with respect to, I guess, CID and the foreign issuer, the foreign issuer sort of goes away, right? If those 2 were, I think you said $3,000,000 in costs last fiscal year, what would you expect CID costs to be running this year in fiscal 'twenty five? Speaker 400:24:42That is extremely difficult for us to handicap. It really comes down to the underlying activity. We believe at this point, we have gone through a lot of the questions that have been asked and we hope that at this point, we start trying to see what the resolution is versus all the discovery costs and stuff like that. So having said that, we have no idea what the government is on the other side of it. So it's very hard to project or even estimate. Speaker 300:25:18Okay. And then, Arctic, maybe just on cash from operations going from the previous reporting now to GAAP reporting. I guess, last year your cash from operations was like $40,500,000 in this 10 ks filing, dollars 23,000,000 was $37,000,000 cash. What exactly on the treatment did change there? Can you call that Speaker 400:25:48out? Yes. It's really related to the classification of real estate leases that went from operating from finance to operating. So if you look at, it's literally the exact same dollar amount that the leases from financing activity would change. Speaker 300:26:10Okay. All right. Okay, great. And then just since you're focusing in on organic growth in fiscal 'twenty five, you called that out a couple times. It doesn't sound like acquisitions are necessarily imminent right now. Speaker 300:26:33Would free cash flow that you generate in the business, do you expect to pay down some of the credit facility or how are you thinking about that? Speaker 400:26:44Yes. I mean, we will definitely continue to pay down the credit facility as per the schedule. We do again, while acquisition is not something we necessarily called out, but it's not it's still a part of our strategy and it's still something that we continue to look and evaluate consistently for the right opportunity to come along that will yield us the returns that we have always strived to achieve. So I wouldn't call that acquisition is not part of the strategy or anything like that. It's just yeah, so that's that. Speaker 400:27:24But yeah, we will continue to pay down the debt facility as per the schedule. We and continue to make sure we make the best decision so that our borrowing costs are as minimal as possible. Speaker 300:27:39Okay. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks. Thanks. Operator00:27:45The next question is from Bill Sutherland with The Benchmark Company. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:27:52Thanks. Good morning, guys. So on the M and A question, no nothing done in fiscal 'twenty four. What are the factors looking ahead that might make M and A activity more active? Is it cost of capital or so it seems like there's no shortage of targets? Speaker 100:28:18Yes, there's certainly no shortage of targets out there. I think for us, it will be the right target and the right geography and that for the right price. And we feel pretty confident that we've got some things in the pipeline and that's it will work out for us at some point in calendar 'twenty five. Speaker 400:28:38Yes, 'twenty four had a lot of other considerations going on in the background, which are either I don't want to say settled, but there are certainly a lot more visibility on the CID was a perfect example. So going into 2025, I think we have a better understanding, better visibility. And then the cost of capital was also something that we were watching in the inflationary environment. We were now all those things are kind of going in the direction that we were hoping they would. So it just provides us a lot more visibility to take informed decision. Speaker 500:29:16Okay, that's helpful. And then just one quick number question on fiscal on your just completed fiscal 4Q. What was the revenue growth when you adjust for the 75, 25 in in the Humana impact? Speaker 400:29:33I'm not sure I completely followed the question as asked. Speaker 500:29:39So you had I forgot what the year over year growth was for fiscal 4Q, but the sequential was 1%, I guess. And so if you eliminate the impact of the 70 five-twenty 5 and the Humana capitation impact? What would the growth have been? Speaker 400:30:10What would the growth be? Should we keep the Humana? Is that what you're asking? Speaker 500:30:15If you year over year, you had those two impacts limit your growth. So just kind of curious what the because I think I ballparked it, but I'm just wondering if it's if I'm in the right ballpark? Speaker 400:30:29Right. So if you yes, I think we just called that out that we were approximately about $5 ish million in Delta. So if you take that divide by kind of 4, that would put us another $1,000,000 on top of what we reported in terms of the impact for $75,000,000 and you might have. Speaker 500:30:47So that captures the $5,000,000 would capture both of those impacts? Speaker 400:30:52Yes. Speaker 500:30:53Okay. That's clarification I didn't have. Okay, appreciate it. Okay, thanks everybody. Speaker 400:30:59Thank you. Operator00:31:02The next question is from Julian Hung with Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:31:08Hi, this is Julian sitting in for Justin today. My first question is just a clarification on the DOJ investigation. Reading the MD and A, from my understanding, the SEC concluded last month that they found no evidence of any wrongdoing, but the investigation overall still hasn't concluded. Is that right? Speaker 100:31:37That is correct. The SEC and that declined in that in any further investigation, but the DOJ as it relates in that to the CID and that is still open. Speaker 600:31:50So like what else is there left for them to look through or sort through? Speaker 100:31:57Yes. I mean at this point we feel like that the heavy lift is there. We've given them everything and we're kind of waiting them to decide whether or not there was any wrongdoing or anything. So we haven't been notified of anything. Once again, we feel pretty strong in that about our billing practices and everything like that. Speaker 100:32:17So we're pretty confident in that, that we end up on the right side Speaker 400:32:21of this at some point. Speaker 600:32:23Okay. And then I believe a couple of quarters ago, the company launched the diabetes business. Can you just provide an update on that and how's uptake? Speaker 100:32:37Yes, sure. So that's going along well in that. We're continuing to see growth in that. And in fact, in that surprise this didn't come up in that maybe earlier or we kind of thought this may come up is that we feel like that's maybe some effect on our margin because it does have a lower margin in that historically than what our respiratory products have had. Okay. Speaker 600:33:01Thank you so much for taking my questions today. Speaker 100:33:04Sure. Thank you. Operator00:33:13The next question is from Doug Cooper with Beacon Securities. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:33:18Hi, good morning guys. I just had a question on EBITDA margins and I guess the sustainability going forward. So if I adjust your revenue on a quarterly basis to subtract bad debt expenses and just go with the EBITDA that you actually reported in those periods, I got EBITDA margin dropping from 24.5% in Q1 to 24.3% in Q2, 23% in Q3 and now 21.9%. So that gets a year blended for the year of 23.5%. What is your expectations for fiscal 'twenty five in the margin front? Speaker 100:33:53Yes. We think for fiscal 2025 in that, primarily fiscal 2025 Q2 that there are changes that need to be made in the business and that we're actively in that joint right now, Doug. And frankly, we thought we would grow our way out of the $75,000,000 in the loss of Humana. So we've carried a lot of additional cost structure through the year that we just weren't able to outgrow. So now we have to make those changes. Speaker 700:34:20Okay. And then moving on to the resupply business. I have in my notes, and I guess this could be wrong, that you had 172,000 patients on the resupply program in Q1. And you just said you ended the year at 172,000. So that doesn't look like it's grown at all this year. Speaker 400:34:42Yes. I mean, it's we wouldn't call it it's not growing. I think, again, it is not growing despite losing some of the patients. So it's really not that, but also the underlying some of the metrics that we go in our resupply program in terms of how many boxes is going in an order and what's the average size of that box in terms of allowable and stuff like that. So those underlying operating metrics have performed in the right direction throughout the year. Speaker 400:35:20So we do see some improvements on that side. Again, while the patient count looks flat, we have to keep in mind that that was despite of the underlying loss of the patient count. Speaker 700:35:32Okay. Just in terms of a broader question, you guys returned a bit of growth sequentially, but still looks like underperforming the market, certainly underperforming some of your peer groups. So what do you need to do to get back to that historical, you just noted 8% to 10% growth? What needs to happen in the business to make that happen? Because obviously, you underperformed in 2024? Speaker 100:35:56Yes, Doug. Good question. And I mean, we really have to expand continue to expand our sales team and really make a lot of pushes there and that to bring back that organic growth that we've historically seen. I think another piece of it for us too has been the acquisitions in that we've been able to historically in that by a lot of these smaller companies and really watch them grow. So that's really helped in that with the organic growth along the way. Speaker 100:36:23And I think when we didn't make any acquisitions in 2024, that was probably one of the levers there and that that we weren't able to pull, especially on the resupply program because we usually see a really big bump in that kind of post integration on that side. Speaker 700:36:39But I guess with your stock trading where it is at about 3 times EBITDA, it's got to make M and A quite difficult. What are the kind of prices are you seeing out there from the M and A perspective? Speaker 400:36:50I think the pricing are certainly more favorable than they have been in the past. There are quite a bit of opportunities. I think from I think less on the smaller side, more on the higher the larger size DMEs. There's a lot of hospital based DMEs that are kind of coming out in the market. They have a very different dynamics to it than a straight up DME. Speaker 400:37:17But I think overall, slightly better favorable valuations for sure, maybe slightly lesser competition as well, given some of the other players are also involved in their own stuff. So I mean, as far as the lens acquisition landscape goes, that's kind of what we are seeing right now. Speaker 700:37:41Okay. That's it for me. Thanks. Speaker 400:37:44Thank you. Operator00:37:46This concludes the question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Crawford for any closing remarks. Speaker 100:37:53Thank you, operator, and thank you all for your participation today. As always, you can find us on the web at quiptomemedical. Com where we would be posting a transcript of this call and also our updated investor deck on the site for some of the exciting products and developments discussed on this call. Happy holidays and goodbye. Operator00:38:15This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. 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The company offers nebulizers, oxygen concentrators, and CPAP and BiPAP units; traditional and non-traditional durable medical respiratory equipment and services; non-invasive ventilation equipment, supplies, and services; and engages in the rental of medical equipment. It offers management of various chronic disease states focusing on patients with heart and pulmonary disease, sleep apnea, reduced mobility, and other chronic health conditions. The company was formerly known as Protech Home Medical Corp. and changed its name to Quipt Home Medical Corp. in May 2021. 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There are 8 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Fiscal 4th Quarter and Audited Full Year 20 24 Earnings Results Conference Call for equipped Home Medical Corp. As a reminder, all participants are in a listen only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity for analysts to ask questions. Operator00:00:35We remind you that the remarks today will include forward looking statements that are subject to important risks and uncertainties. For more information on these risks and uncertainties, please see the reader advisory at the bottom of the company's results news release. The company's actual performance could differ materially from these statements. At this point, I'd like to turn the call over to Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Greg Crawford. Speaker 100:01:05Thank you, operator, and thank you to everyone joining us today. I'm Greg Crawford, Chairman and CEO of Quip Thome Medical. I'm pleased to have Hardik Mehta, our Chief Financial Officer and Tom Breuerick, our Chief Accounting Officer also joining me today. Quip Thome Medical is a diversified healthcare services company delivering a comprehensive range of home medical equipment and services to patients across the United States. Our commitment is to clinical excellence powered by patient centric model and advanced technology enabled solutions. Speaker 100:01:37These combined with our specialized respiratory programs allow us to effectively meet patient needs in the comfort of their own homes. At present, Quipt has expanded to over 135 locations across 26 states with over 314,000 active patients, which has enabled us to strengthen our coast to coast reach. Our go to market strategy is anchored in delivering an end to end respiratory care solution supported by a diverse portfolio of durable medical equipment offerings. By operating as a one stop solution for patients and health care providers, we've built a scalable model designed to meet the complex and evolving needs of the DME ecosystem. Respiratory care represents approximately 80% of our product mix, highlighting our commitment to serving the patients with pulmonary and cardiovascular conditions. Speaker 100:02:32This focus aligns with powerful macro trends, including the aging population, the increased prevalence of COPD and the significant untapped potential in the sleep apnea market. These factors combined with our expertise and scale position us to meet the rising demand for high quality in home respiratory care solutions. On today's call, we will review our fiscal Q4 and full year 2024 results as well as provide insights into emerging demand trends, operational highlights and the strategic initiatives shaping our growth trajectory into fiscal 2025. For fiscal 2024, we achieved record revenue of $245,900,000 representing 16% year over year growth alongside a consistent adjusted EBITDA margin of 23 0.5%, leading to adjusted EBITDA of $57,900,000 an increase of 14% over last year. In real time, we are experiencing consistent demand across all major product categories with notable gains in our primary sales channels. Speaker 100:03:45We are pleased with the progress achieved in fiscal Q4, particularly as we continue to navigate through several unique industry wide challenges. In Q4, we returned to positive sequential organic growth of 1%, a meaningful improvement that reflects the resilience of our business. As discussed on previous conference calls, we have officially transitioned from IFRS to GAAP reporting standards aligning us with our U. S. Peers. Speaker 100:04:15As part of this change, bad debt expense is now reported within the revenue line, which inherently reduces the reported revenue figure. It's important to emphasize that this adjustment represents a change in presentation and does not represent a sudden loss of revenue. Bad debt expense has always previously been reported as a separate line item, and this adjustment simply reflects its inclusion within the revenue under GAAP. As mentioned, we returned to positive sequential revenue growth. Year over year organic growth was approximately 3%. Speaker 100:04:49Real time strength in referral activity across our product offerings has us well positioned to achieve sustained consistent organic growth in calendar 2025. Turning to our sleep business, we are pleased to report that GLP-one medications continue to have no negative impact on demand. Referral activity for new device setups remain steady, while replacement supply volumes have been strong. Recent real world data shared by a leading sleep device manufacturer involving 989,000 patients underscores the positive effects of GLP-one on treatment adherence. The study found that individuals with an obstructive sleep apnea, LSA diagnosis who were prescribed a GLP-one were 10.8% more likely to start CPAP therapy compared to those not on GLP-1s. Speaker 100:05:43Additionally, these patients exhibited higher resupply order rates over both 12 24 month periods. We believe GLP-one medications will serve as a long term tailwind for our sleep business, introducing more motivated patients into the healthcare system as they focus on improving their overall health. Moving to the ongoing civil investigative demand known as the CID, we continue working diligently to resolve this matter as quickly as possible and want to again make the point that the government has not determined that any wrongdoing has occurred at this time. We remain committed to transparency and will provide updates as appropriate. As it relates to the regulatory environment, late last week, the Centers For Medicare and Medicaid Services announced positive CPI adjustments for 2025 fee schedules ranging from 2.4% to 3% depending on the item and the location. Speaker 100:06:39Competitive bidding program items in former competitive bidding areas will see a 2.9% increase while competitive bidding program items in non CBA areas will receive a 3% increase. In rural areas, the fifty-fifty blended rate will continue with the 3% increase applied to the adjusted portion of the rate. This positive CPI adjustment will provide further support to our organic growth objectives for calendar 2025. During fiscal Q4, we prioritized creating additional efficiencies within our core operations, ensuring our organic growth ambitions for calendar 2025 are met. As we emerge from the industry wide challenges faced in 2024, we are actively exploring opportunities to allocate capital for further growth and value creation. Speaker 100:07:31As we head into calendar year 2025, we expect to see a return to our historical organic growth rate. Moving to the M and A landscape, it remains highly dynamic with numerous opportunities aligning with our disciplined acquisition criteria. Our pipeline is expanding and we remain focused on executing synergistic acquisitions at attractive multiples to enhance our scale. We are managing our debt conservatively with net leverage at 1.6 which gives us the flexibility to invest in strategic initiatives. As we move forward, we are confident in our ability to deliver exceptional patient care, strengthen relationships with payers and execute a disciplined scalable growth strategy. Speaker 100:08:16Through these efforts, we are well positioned to drive consistent long term value for our shareholders. With that commentary, I'd like to hand the call over to Hardik to discuss our fiscal Q4 and full year 2024 financial results. Speaker 200:08:32Thanks, Greg. On Monday evening, we announced our fiscal Q4 and full year 2024 financial results, representing the 3 months 12 months ended September 30, 2024. Please note that all financial values are in U. S. Dollars and are now reported under GAAP accounting principles with the comparison figures also reported in GAAP for consistency. Speaker 200:08:54Here are some key highlights. Respiratory resupply setups and deliveries increased to 480,000 for the year ended September 30, 2024 compared to 396,000 for the year ended September 30, 2023 reflecting a growth of 21% driven by our use of technology and centralized intake processes. The customer base grew 10% year over year serving 314,000 unique patients in fiscal year 2024 compared to 286,000 unique patients in fiscal year 2023. We completed 854,000 unique set upsdeliveries in fiscal year 2024, an increase of 13% from 754,000 unique setups deliveries in fiscal year 2023. Revenue for fiscal year 2024 was $245,900,000 compared to $211,700,000 in fiscal year 2023, representing a 16.2% year over year increase. Speaker 200:10:04Approximately 7,100,000 dollars or 3% was driven by organic growth. As part of GAAP, revenue is now inclusive of our bad debt expense. This change does not represent a sudden loss in revenue, but a different way of presenting bad debt in our financials. It's important to emphasize that bad debt expense has always existed and when reported separately from revenue. The difference now is its inclusion within revenue figure under GAAP. Speaker 200:10:34All comparison periods reflect this change. Beacon Rig revenue remains strong, exceeding 78% of total revenue in fiscal year 2024. Adjusted EBITDA for fiscal year 2024 was 57,900,000 dollars with a 23.5 percent margin compared to $50,600,000 and a 23.9% margin in fiscal year 2023. It represents a 14% increase year over year. For fiscal Q4, twenty twenty four revenue was $61,300,000 up 3% from $59,600,000 in fiscal Q4, 2023. Speaker 200:11:17We returned to positive sequential organic growth of 1%. Adjusted EBITDA for fiscal Q4, 2024 was $13,400,000 reflecting a 21.8% margin compared to $14,700,000 at 24.6% margin in fiscal Q4, 2023. This represents an 8.8% decrease year over year. Cash flow from continuing operations was $35,700,000 for the 12 months ended September 30, 2024 compared to $37,000,000 in the prior year. Excluding the impact of these reporting adjustments, Quip achieved positive sequential revenue growth of 1%, signaling that our underlying business fundamentals are improving. Speaker 200:12:04We expect that calendar year 2025 which begins with fiscal Q2 2025 will see a return to our historical organic growth rate. Operating expenses as a percentage of revenue came in at 49.8 percent in fiscal year 2024 compared to 48.7 percent the corresponding period in 2023. Acquisitions contributed approximately $8,600,000 of the increase. Professional fees related to the CID and the loss in foreign private issuer status contributed approximately $3,300,000 to the increase in fiscal 2024. For fiscal 2025, we anticipate lower CID professional fees with the objective to find resolution. Speaker 200:12:51Medical equipment CapEx also known as rental equipment transfers from inventory during the years ended September 30, 20242023 was $33,566,029,279,000. As of September 30, 2024, the company reported $16,200,000 in cash on hand compared to $14,400,000 in cash on hand as of June 30, 2024. The company has total credit availability of $34,700,000 including $13,700,000 available on the revolving credit facility and $21,000,000 on the delayed draw term loan facility. We maintain a conservative balance sheet with the net debt to adjusted EBITDA leverage ratio of 1.6x. Fiscal 2024 marked a year of resilience for our business in the face of multiple industry wide challenges that we absorbed, which negatively impacted our financial performance and prevented us from achieving our target of 8% to 10% annualized organic growth. Speaker 200:13:59The pause of the Medicare 7525 relief as of January 1, 2024 and the withdrawal of Medicare Advantage member due to the capitated agreement engaged with other providers in the industry impacted revenue by approximately $5,000,000 for the year ended September 30, 2024. Moreover, the estimated impact on collections on accounts receivable from the Change Healthcare cyber attack is estimated at approximately 3,000,000 dollars Despite the headwinds, we achieved record breaking results of $245,900,000 in revenue and achieved an adjusted EBITDA margin of 23.5%, which reflects our ability to drive operational efficiencies and scale. These results demonstrate the consistency of our performance even in periods of uncertainty and our ability to adapt to changing market dynamics. Our operating metrics remain strong supported by consistent demand trends and referral patterns across our diversified product and service mix. Importantly, the strength in this referral patterns offset the majority of the lost Humana Medicare Advantage patients highlighting the resilience of our business model. Speaker 200:15:11As we transition into calendar 2025, we are optimistic about our ability to sustain this underlying positive trends, supported by strong referral activity and demand for our end to end respiratory solutions. Fiscal 2024 showcased the stability and resilience of the business and we are well positioned for sustained growth and long term success. We expect consistent organic growth in calendar 2025 to return and that it will persist as we continue to drive volume through our organic sales team, the cross selling of products and continued expansion of the continuum of care in adjusted market. For fiscal 2025, our guidance continues to be for 6% to 8% free cash flow, a non GAAP measure. The company defines free cash flow as adjusted EBITDA less capital expenditures, both in cash and those financed recruitment loans and repayments of leases. Speaker 200:16:09The company believes free cash flow is useful supplemental financial measure for it and investors in assessing the company's ability to pay interest, repay the senior credit facility and pursue business opportunities and investments including making acquisitions. For fiscal 2024, the company reported $16,200,000 or 6.6 percent of revenue in free cash flow. The continued consistency of our revenue base is driven by our highly recurring revenue model, which accounts for more than 51% of our total revenue mix. Our resupply program is a major proponent of this recurring revenue base as we have significantly scaled now consists of 172,000 patients as of September 30, 2024. The resupply program represents an amazing growth area for us extending our patient's lifecycle with us. Speaker 200:17:02Our healthy balance sheet with $50,900,000 of liquidity provides ample flexibility to execute both our organic growth initiatives and strategic acquisition pipeline. With a modest net leverage of 1.6 times, we are well positioned to deploy a balanced mix of debt and cash to scale our business thoughtfully. With the expectation that the cost of capital environment will improve over time, we are confident in our ability to capitalize on strategic opportunities while maintaining financial discipline. The combination of our operational scale, financial strength and disciplined growth strategy positions us to deliver enhanced value for our shareholders in 2025 and beyond. As we continue to scale, the inherent operating efficiencies in our model will drive margin enhancement and long term value creation. Speaker 200:17:53Scale is a critical component of our strategy as it enhances our ability to meet increasing demand, depends on our market penetration and creates durable competitive advantages across our platform. Thank you. And with that update, I'll turn the call back to Greg. Speaker 100:18:11Thank you, Hardik, for that comprehensive overview of our financial performance and operational highlights. As Hardik outlined, fiscal 2024 was a resilient year for QuipT and we've entered into fiscal 2025 with regained momentum across our core business in light of the industry wide challenges that we faced. As we think about the opportunities ahead, I want to emphasize how we're positioning Quip for sustained success by continuing to execute on our growth roadmap. Delivering exceptional patient care is the foundation of our strategy. Our focus remains on addressing chronic respiratory conditions such as sleep apnea, COPD and other pulmonary diseases, ensuring that patients receive high quality care in the comfort of their homes. Speaker 100:18:56As we look to the future, we are constantly exploring ways to expand our reach and serve more patients by entering new markets and performing strategic partnerships with payers, referral sources and other health care providers. Our competitive edge lies in the combination of growing our market share, coast to coast footprint we have built and our robust clinical expertise. These strengths allow us to leverage economies of scale and deliver a seamless patient centric experience that meets the rising demand for home based care solutions. Looking at our growth roadmap, driving organic growth is our top priority with the target of returning to historical organic growth levels in 2025. We're leveraging demographic tailwinds such as the aging population and the increasing prevalence of chronic conditions to meet the growing demand for home based medical solutions. Speaker 100:19:50Our expanded sales force is focused on deepening connections with hospitals, networks, physicians and other referral partners, which is continuing to drive increase in referral activity. We also continue to make strategic investments in technologies to streamline workflows, reduce inefficiencies and improve patient outcomes. These tools are not only support operational excellence, but also enhance our recurring revenue streams. As it relates to the execution of our growth strategy, we are committed to leveraging technology in every way we can to consistently improve our operational performance. We focus on enhancing our workflow processes, which creates real value and removes friction points. Speaker 100:20:32To this end, we are working to expand our operating scale by making smart synergistic acquisitions in conjunction with our tried and true integration approach, which since 2018 effectively integrated 19 acquisitions representing over $150,000,000 of annualized revenue. Our intention is to focus on heavily weighted respiratory businesses, which can be successfully incorporated into infrastructure. Our overall objective continues to be to increase our payer base and geographic reach into advantageous geographies with a high prevalence of COPD. Given our sound fundamentals and our clear goals for calendar 2025, which includes returning to consistent organic growth, we will continue to actively engage with investors on both sides of the border and participate at conferences and roadshows to share our ongoing financial and operating achievements and our long term growth objectives. As we look ahead to fiscal 2025, we remain focused on driving sustainable organic growth, expanding our adjusted EBITDA margins and further strengthening our nationwide healthcare network. Speaker 100:21:49Our flexible capital structure and disciplined approach to financial management provide a solid foundation for executing our strategic initiatives, while our 1.6x leverage balance sheet ensures that we have the resources to capitalize on growth opportunities as they arise. Importantly, we are seeing consistent demand across our product portfolio in real time during fiscal Q1 2025 reinforcing our confidence in the momentum we are building going into calendar 2025. We are excited about the opportunities ahead and look forward to sharing our fiscal Q1 results with you in February. In closing, I would like to take this chance to thank the entire Quip team for their tireless work and our stakeholders for their continued support. Operator00:22:39We will now begin the analyst question and answer session. Our first question is from Richard Close with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Yes. Speaker 300:23:07Thanks for the questions. You guys called out the headwinds, 70five-twenty 5 expiration, Humana capitation agreement. So as I think about those, I think those you'll be lapping in the, I guess, in January. So should we think about the organic growth in here the December quarter as being somewhat similar to the 1% you just posted in 4Q? And then as the second quarter, Q3 and Q4 of fiscal 'twenty five come, you're more in that 8% to 10% annual range? Speaker 400:23:54Yes, I think that would be accurate. I think we are saying that as we go into calendar 2025, we should start hopefully start seeing organic growth rates that are kind of consistent with what we have been able to deliver in the past. Speaker 300:24:14Okay. And then with respect to, I guess, CID and the foreign issuer, the foreign issuer sort of goes away, right? If those 2 were, I think you said $3,000,000 in costs last fiscal year, what would you expect CID costs to be running this year in fiscal 'twenty five? Speaker 400:24:42That is extremely difficult for us to handicap. It really comes down to the underlying activity. We believe at this point, we have gone through a lot of the questions that have been asked and we hope that at this point, we start trying to see what the resolution is versus all the discovery costs and stuff like that. So having said that, we have no idea what the government is on the other side of it. So it's very hard to project or even estimate. Speaker 300:25:18Okay. And then, Arctic, maybe just on cash from operations going from the previous reporting now to GAAP reporting. I guess, last year your cash from operations was like $40,500,000 in this 10 ks filing, dollars 23,000,000 was $37,000,000 cash. What exactly on the treatment did change there? Can you call that Speaker 400:25:48out? Yes. It's really related to the classification of real estate leases that went from operating from finance to operating. So if you look at, it's literally the exact same dollar amount that the leases from financing activity would change. Speaker 300:26:10Okay. All right. Okay, great. And then just since you're focusing in on organic growth in fiscal 'twenty five, you called that out a couple times. It doesn't sound like acquisitions are necessarily imminent right now. Speaker 300:26:33Would free cash flow that you generate in the business, do you expect to pay down some of the credit facility or how are you thinking about that? Speaker 400:26:44Yes. I mean, we will definitely continue to pay down the credit facility as per the schedule. We do again, while acquisition is not something we necessarily called out, but it's not it's still a part of our strategy and it's still something that we continue to look and evaluate consistently for the right opportunity to come along that will yield us the returns that we have always strived to achieve. So I wouldn't call that acquisition is not part of the strategy or anything like that. It's just yeah, so that's that. Speaker 400:27:24But yeah, we will continue to pay down the debt facility as per the schedule. We and continue to make sure we make the best decision so that our borrowing costs are as minimal as possible. Speaker 300:27:39Okay. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks. Thanks. Operator00:27:45The next question is from Bill Sutherland with The Benchmark Company. Please go ahead. Speaker 500:27:52Thanks. Good morning, guys. So on the M and A question, no nothing done in fiscal 'twenty four. What are the factors looking ahead that might make M and A activity more active? Is it cost of capital or so it seems like there's no shortage of targets? Speaker 100:28:18Yes, there's certainly no shortage of targets out there. I think for us, it will be the right target and the right geography and that for the right price. And we feel pretty confident that we've got some things in the pipeline and that's it will work out for us at some point in calendar 'twenty five. Speaker 400:28:38Yes, 'twenty four had a lot of other considerations going on in the background, which are either I don't want to say settled, but there are certainly a lot more visibility on the CID was a perfect example. So going into 2025, I think we have a better understanding, better visibility. And then the cost of capital was also something that we were watching in the inflationary environment. We were now all those things are kind of going in the direction that we were hoping they would. So it just provides us a lot more visibility to take informed decision. Speaker 500:29:16Okay, that's helpful. And then just one quick number question on fiscal on your just completed fiscal 4Q. What was the revenue growth when you adjust for the 75, 25 in in the Humana impact? Speaker 400:29:33I'm not sure I completely followed the question as asked. Speaker 500:29:39So you had I forgot what the year over year growth was for fiscal 4Q, but the sequential was 1%, I guess. And so if you eliminate the impact of the 70 five-twenty 5 and the Humana capitation impact? What would the growth have been? Speaker 400:30:10What would the growth be? Should we keep the Humana? Is that what you're asking? Speaker 500:30:15If you year over year, you had those two impacts limit your growth. So just kind of curious what the because I think I ballparked it, but I'm just wondering if it's if I'm in the right ballpark? Speaker 400:30:29Right. So if you yes, I think we just called that out that we were approximately about $5 ish million in Delta. So if you take that divide by kind of 4, that would put us another $1,000,000 on top of what we reported in terms of the impact for $75,000,000 and you might have. Speaker 500:30:47So that captures the $5,000,000 would capture both of those impacts? Speaker 400:30:52Yes. Speaker 500:30:53Okay. That's clarification I didn't have. Okay, appreciate it. Okay, thanks everybody. Speaker 400:30:59Thank you. Operator00:31:02The next question is from Julian Hung with Stifel. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:31:08Hi, this is Julian sitting in for Justin today. My first question is just a clarification on the DOJ investigation. Reading the MD and A, from my understanding, the SEC concluded last month that they found no evidence of any wrongdoing, but the investigation overall still hasn't concluded. Is that right? Speaker 100:31:37That is correct. The SEC and that declined in that in any further investigation, but the DOJ as it relates in that to the CID and that is still open. Speaker 600:31:50So like what else is there left for them to look through or sort through? Speaker 100:31:57Yes. I mean at this point we feel like that the heavy lift is there. We've given them everything and we're kind of waiting them to decide whether or not there was any wrongdoing or anything. So we haven't been notified of anything. Once again, we feel pretty strong in that about our billing practices and everything like that. Speaker 100:32:17So we're pretty confident in that, that we end up on the right side Speaker 400:32:21of this at some point. Speaker 600:32:23Okay. And then I believe a couple of quarters ago, the company launched the diabetes business. Can you just provide an update on that and how's uptake? Speaker 100:32:37Yes, sure. So that's going along well in that. We're continuing to see growth in that. And in fact, in that surprise this didn't come up in that maybe earlier or we kind of thought this may come up is that we feel like that's maybe some effect on our margin because it does have a lower margin in that historically than what our respiratory products have had. Okay. Speaker 600:33:01Thank you so much for taking my questions today. Speaker 100:33:04Sure. Thank you. Operator00:33:13The next question is from Doug Cooper with Beacon Securities. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:33:18Hi, good morning guys. I just had a question on EBITDA margins and I guess the sustainability going forward. So if I adjust your revenue on a quarterly basis to subtract bad debt expenses and just go with the EBITDA that you actually reported in those periods, I got EBITDA margin dropping from 24.5% in Q1 to 24.3% in Q2, 23% in Q3 and now 21.9%. So that gets a year blended for the year of 23.5%. What is your expectations for fiscal 'twenty five in the margin front? Speaker 100:33:53Yes. We think for fiscal 2025 in that, primarily fiscal 2025 Q2 that there are changes that need to be made in the business and that we're actively in that joint right now, Doug. And frankly, we thought we would grow our way out of the $75,000,000 in the loss of Humana. So we've carried a lot of additional cost structure through the year that we just weren't able to outgrow. So now we have to make those changes. Speaker 700:34:20Okay. And then moving on to the resupply business. I have in my notes, and I guess this could be wrong, that you had 172,000 patients on the resupply program in Q1. And you just said you ended the year at 172,000. So that doesn't look like it's grown at all this year. Speaker 400:34:42Yes. I mean, it's we wouldn't call it it's not growing. I think, again, it is not growing despite losing some of the patients. So it's really not that, but also the underlying some of the metrics that we go in our resupply program in terms of how many boxes is going in an order and what's the average size of that box in terms of allowable and stuff like that. So those underlying operating metrics have performed in the right direction throughout the year. Speaker 400:35:20So we do see some improvements on that side. Again, while the patient count looks flat, we have to keep in mind that that was despite of the underlying loss of the patient count. Speaker 700:35:32Okay. Just in terms of a broader question, you guys returned a bit of growth sequentially, but still looks like underperforming the market, certainly underperforming some of your peer groups. So what do you need to do to get back to that historical, you just noted 8% to 10% growth? What needs to happen in the business to make that happen? Because obviously, you underperformed in 2024? Speaker 100:35:56Yes, Doug. Good question. And I mean, we really have to expand continue to expand our sales team and really make a lot of pushes there and that to bring back that organic growth that we've historically seen. I think another piece of it for us too has been the acquisitions in that we've been able to historically in that by a lot of these smaller companies and really watch them grow. So that's really helped in that with the organic growth along the way. Speaker 100:36:23And I think when we didn't make any acquisitions in 2024, that was probably one of the levers there and that that we weren't able to pull, especially on the resupply program because we usually see a really big bump in that kind of post integration on that side. Speaker 700:36:39But I guess with your stock trading where it is at about 3 times EBITDA, it's got to make M and A quite difficult. What are the kind of prices are you seeing out there from the M and A perspective? Speaker 400:36:50I think the pricing are certainly more favorable than they have been in the past. There are quite a bit of opportunities. I think from I think less on the smaller side, more on the higher the larger size DMEs. There's a lot of hospital based DMEs that are kind of coming out in the market. They have a very different dynamics to it than a straight up DME. Speaker 400:37:17But I think overall, slightly better favorable valuations for sure, maybe slightly lesser competition as well, given some of the other players are also involved in their own stuff. So I mean, as far as the lens acquisition landscape goes, that's kind of what we are seeing right now. Speaker 700:37:41Okay. That's it for me. Thanks. Speaker 400:37:44Thank you. Operator00:37:46This concludes the question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Crawford for any closing remarks. Speaker 100:37:53Thank you, operator, and thank you all for your participation today. As always, you can find us on the web at quiptomemedical. Com where we would be posting a transcript of this call and also our updated investor deck on the site for some of the exciting products and developments discussed on this call. Happy holidays and goodbye. Operator00:38:15This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.Read morePowered by