TSE:AI Atrium Mortgage Investment Q1 2024 Earnings Report C$10.85 +0.07 (+0.65%) As of 05/2/2025 04:00 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Atrium Mortgage Investment EPS ResultsActual EPSC$0.27Consensus EPS N/ABeat/MissN/AOne Year Ago EPSN/AAtrium Mortgage Investment Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$25.19 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AAtrium Mortgage Investment Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2024Date5/14/2024TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, May 15, 2024Conference Call Time4:00PM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Atrium Mortgage Investment Q1 2024 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 15, 2024 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 5 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, please standby. Your conference is about to begin. Welcome to the Atrium Mortgage Investment Corporation's First Quarter Conference Call. A reminder that this conference is being recorded, Wednesday, May 15, 2024. Certain statements will be made during this phone call that may be forward looking statements. Operator00:00:31Although Atrium believes that such statements are based upon reasonable assumptions, actual results may differ materially. Forward looking statements are based on the beliefs, estimates and opinions of Atrium's management on the date the statements are made. Atrium undertakes no obligation to update these forward looking statements in the event that management's beliefs, estimates, opinions or other factors change. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Robert Goodall. Mr. Operator00:00:58Goodall, please go ahead. Speaker 100:01:00Thank you, and thank you for calling in today. Our CFO, John Ahmad, will start by talking about our financial results, and then I'll speak about our performance from an operational and a portfolio perspective. Sean? Thanks, Rob. Speaker 200:01:16So Atrium got off to a solid start in fiscal 2024 by posting an EPS of $0.27 which is pacing ahead of our fixed dividend rate of $0.225 for the quarter. This is consistent with our Q4 performance, but down from $0.33 in the prior year quarter. Our Q1 revenues of $25,200,000 are actually up 6.3% over the prior year due to our higher portfolio balance and a higher portfolio rate, but EPS was down due to a higher provision for mortgage losses booked in the current quarter and not a deterioration in core operating performance. Overall, our mortgage portfolio ended the quarter at $886,000,000 which is down slightly from $8.94 in Q4, but higher than the prior year balance of $8.45 Market activity remained slow in the quarter. Uncertain economic conditions marked by high interest rates, inflationary construction costs and financial stress on end consumers continue to keep capital on the sidelines and hence cap the number of attractive opportunities in the market. Speaker 200:02:25Benchmark rates remained unchanged during the quarter, but our portfolio rate came down to 11.25 percent from 11.42 percent at the beginning of the year. This decrease is due to loan repayments at higher rates being replaced with originations at lower rates. All things being equal, we expect this trend to continue. This trend is also consistent with our focus on lower risk reward mortgages as nearly 30% of new originations in Q1 were single family mortgages in the GTA. This aligns with our primary objective of maintaining a resilient portfolio and protecting shareholder capital during uncertain times. Speaker 200:03:07Our balance sheet also remained very strong at quarter end. Speaker 100:03:10Our Speaker 200:03:10total balance sheet leverage of 43.9 percent remained low and our floating rate credit facility represented just 24.7% of total funding sources at the end of the quarter. We still have plenty of room on our credit facility as it currently has a limit of $315,000,000 So this represents both a source of liquidity and potential funding capacity to grow the business should market conditions permit. Balance of our funding is mainly comprised of equity capital and our convertible debentures, which remain fixed at favorable rates with the earliest one due this June 2024 and the rest staggered between 2025 to 2029. Given the high rate environment, management would prefer to lock in longer term funding at more favorable rates. Therefore, we continue to monitor the market closely, but we have ample capacity on our credit facility to fund the upcoming maturity if required. Speaker 200:04:08During the quarter, we also booked a provision for mortgage losses of $3,900,000 which is significantly higher than the previous amount of $1,000,000 in the prior year quarter and this is due to a higher assessment of credit risk in our mortgage portfolio. Total allowance of mortgage losses is now 281 bps, up from 253 bps last quarter. It should be noted that a large proportion of our allowance is for Stage 1 low performing loans. Our Stage 1 allowance represents 39% of our total allowance and remains elevated due to weak macroeconomic indicators employed in our model, including housing prices, unemployment and economic growth. On a positive note, outside of smaller single family loans, no new multifamily or commercial loans are classified as stage 2 or 3 this quarter and the total amount of loans in stages 2 or 3 was down 14% quarter over quarter mainly due to pay downs. Speaker 200:05:07While Atrium is not in the current market, our current credit risk profile improved slightly over the year. In addition, our business model continues to produce strong cash flow for investors in spite of proactively recognizing higher credit risk through our provisions. Overall, Q1 was another consistent quarter in terms of financial performance for shareholders, continued to adhere to our established risk appetite in terms of new opportunities, remain very disciplined with respect to operating expenses, continue to maintain a strong balance sheet that could withstand any stresses from the downturn in the cycle. Rob, I'll pass it back to you. Speaker 100:05:49Thank you. As John said, we had another good quarter. Atrium mix generated basic earnings per share of $0.27 in Q1. We again increased our loan loss provision to $3,850,000 for the quarter despite, as John mentioned, a material reduction in Stage 3 loans during the quarter. As you know, we've always been proactive in making loan loss provisions, which will protect future earnings. Speaker 100:06:14Overall, the portfolio decreased marginally from $893,000,000 dollars in Q4 to $886,000,000 in Q1. Loan advances were $78,000,000 and loan repayments were $81,600,000 dollars We expect to have a high level of loan repayments in Q2 and consequently we expect that the loan portfolio will reduce in size. Atrium's average mortgage rate dropped slightly from 11.42% last quarter to 11.25% this quarter. This was due to the fact that a significant portion of new loans were low risk single family mortgages priced at $9.49 per annum. Approximately 80% of our loans are now floating, down from 89% last quarter. Speaker 100:07:01Given that rates have peaked, we're no longer concerned about structuring loans on a floating rate basis. Atrium's total of high ratio loans, that is loans over 75% loan to value, remained low at 8.9% of the total portfolio. There are 4 high ratio loans in the commercial and multi residential portfolio totaling $68,000,000 And there are also $10,500,000 of high ratio single family loans with loan to values ranging from 75.3 percent to 92.2%. Atrium's percentage of first mortgages jumped from 94.6% to 96.7% in Q1, which I believe is an all time record high. Construction loans represent only 4.85 percent of the mortgage portfolio. Speaker 100:07:52We view construction loans as the most risky type of loan today because of frequent cost overruns and significant time delays. In Q1, the average loan to value of the portfolio the average loan to value of the portfolio increased to 64%, which continues to be within our desired range. Turning to defaults, there were no new commercial or multi residential defaults during Q1. I'll describe each of the loans. A presold project in Sutton of $2,800,000 this loan was actually repaid shortly after quarter end on April 11. Speaker 100:08:29A Markham townhouse site of $1,500,000 this project had a much larger loan, it's actually been sold and closed and the final $1,500,000 should be released in the next 3 months. Dollars 49,000,000 mortgage in North Vancouver. This 4.5 acre site has been in default for several quarters, and it is fully approved for a mix of multi residential buildings having a gross floor area of approximately 300,000 square feet. Since the last quarter, the redemption period for the borrower has lapsed and we interviewed 3 realtors. We selected CBRE, who launched the sales process in the 1st week of May. Speaker 100:09:12There has been strong interest in the property and we'll know more by the end of next quarter. The remaining four loans are located in Greater Vancouver and total CAD38.5 million dollars and they are connected to a single sponsor. As a result of ongoing legal proceedings, I'm unable to speak in too much detail about these loans, but I'll tell you what I can. The loans range in size from $3,800,000 to $13,500,000 and all of them are secured by low rise development sites, They're mostly townhouse sites in Langley, Richmond and White Rock. 1 is a construction loan and the other 3 are bridge loans. Speaker 100:09:51We believe that we have a potential impairment on 2 of the 4 properties and accordingly, we've made specific provisions for those 2 loans over the last 6 months. The final loan in default is a condo inventory loan in Vancouver. The loan was secured by 22 completed condominium units with an estimated liquidation value of about $25,000,000 The loan balance dropped from $20,500,000 last quarter to $16,200,000 at the end of Q1 as a result of 5 condo inventory units being sold. Another 4 have gone firm and will close within the next couple of weeks, reducing the loan by a further 3,000,000 dollars In addition to the condo inventory security we hold, we also have an assignment of a $10,500,000 first mortgage and a parcel of land appraised at $29,000,000 So we definitely do not expect to incur a loss on this loan. In Q1, we increased Atrium's loan loss reserve by $3,850,000 The amount of the quarterly loan loss reserves continues to gradually trend downwards and this for the 3rd straight quarter. Speaker 100:11:08Atrium's loan loss reserve now totals a very healthy $24,900,000 equal to 281 basis points on the overall mortgage portfolio. This is up from 253 basis points last quarter, 203 basis points in Q3 and 150 basis points in Q2. It's worth noting that we have a large general reserve equal to 107 basis points against our highest quality stage 1 loans, which should reinforce the notion that our loan provisioning is very conservative. As a result, we strongly believe that we have adequate provisions in place, which will protect profits for the future. My economic commentary is as follows. Speaker 100:11:55After strong GDP growth in January, GDP increased by only 0.2% of 1% in February, which was well below consensus. The forecast for Q1 as a whole is 2.5 percent GDP growth and a 7th consecutive quarterly per capita decline. Canadian labor market has been soft with the unemployment rate increasing by 1.1% since 2022 to a total of 6.1% today. Canada's labor market contrasts with the U. S. Speaker 100:12:29Where employment levels have been very strong and the unemployment rate is only 3.9%. The consumer price index in Canada dropped to 2.9% in March from 3.4% in December 2023. Once again, shelter costs contributed to most of the gain. Core inflation is sitting slightly above 3%, but it is also adversely affected by the inclusion of mortgage and rent increases. There's a growing sense that the Bank of Canada will begin cutting interest rates at the June or July Bank of Canada meeting. Speaker 100:13:06Consensus among economists is for a cumulative 1% cut by the Bank of Canada by the end of 2024. Inversely, the higher inflation rate and stronger job market in the U. S. Has caused economists to now forecast only one interest rate cut towards the end of 2024. Divergence in economic prosperity between the U. Speaker 100:13:30S. And Canada could limit how much the Bank of Canada can cut rates. Turning to the commercial real estate markets, the pace of cap rate increases slowed significantly in Q1 with the yield rising just 9 basis points on a quarter over quarter basis to 6.69%. In the GTA, multifamily cap rates in high rise apartments were 3.35% to 4.4%, while industrial cap rates were 5% to 5.5% and office cap rates were 5.25% to 7.25%. In Vancouver, where cap rates are traditionally lower, multifamily cap rates in high rise apartments were 2.25% to 3.25%, while industrial rates were 4.5% to 5%, and the office cap rates were 5.25% to 6.25%. Speaker 100:14:24The industrial vacancy rate in Toronto rose to 3.3%, while Vancouver rose to 3.6%. Significant growth in industrial lease rates appears to have come to an end. Vancouver remained the tightest office market in Canada with a 10.9% vacancy rate downtown and a suburban vacancy rate of only 7.8%. In Toronto, the downtown vacancy rate was much more elevated at 18%, while the suburban office vacancy rate was 20.6%. Looking at the residential resale market, in the GTA April sales were down 5% compared to last year when there was a temporary resurgence in market activity. Speaker 100:15:07The number of new listings were up a surprising 47% over the same period. The home price index in the GTA was down less than 1% year over year. And on a month over month basis, the composite index was up 0.4% and the average selling price was up 1.5%. In Metro Vancouver, resales in April were 3.3% above the previous year. Similar to the GTA, the number of residential properties listed for sale is up by 42%. Speaker 100:15:41The home price index increased by 2.3% on a year over year basis and was up 0.8% compared to last month. Turning to the new home market, in the GTA sales in Q1 were 10.9% below the same period last year. High rise sales were down 41% on a year over year basis, while low rise sales were up 76% on a year over year basis, albeit from a low base of comparison. The benchmark price for high rise and low rise dropped by 5.6% and 11.4% respectively on a year over year basis, but they did increase by 0.7% from the previous month. Although the supply of unsold high rise inventory increased, 57% of that inventory is still in the presale stage and may never be built. Speaker 100:16:33As importantly, there are only 525 unsold units of standing inventory and 87% of all units currently under construction have been pre sold. In Vancouver, the Q1 figures not yet available, but in Q4, Metro Vancouver's new multifamily home sales increased by 20% from the previous quarter and 58% from above the same quarter last year. The higher sales were facilitated by a greater number of projects been released to the market. A total of 40 projects were launched in the 4th quarter, representing over 5,400 units of inventory, of which 38% were reported sold at the end of the year. To summarize, resale sales volumes are below average levels and prices are relatively flat. Speaker 100:17:24Not surprisingly, the new home market remains relatively weak, particularly in the GTA. We need lower mortgage rates and price appreciation in the resale market before we will see a significant recovery in the new home market. To finish, despite continued challenging market conditions, we're off to a good start in 2024 with earnings per share of $0.27 And overall, I'm pleased with the way the portfolio performed in Q1. The Stage 3 loans dropped from 36,700,000 all the way down to 18,800,000 and our combined Stage 2 and Stage 3 loans dropped by approximately 22,000,000 dollars We had no new commercial and multi residential defaults during the quarter. Given the state of the market, I believe that there will be fewer active non bank lenders in the future and that lenders like Atrium will benefit from the fallout. Speaker 100:18:19This process is taking longer than I anticipated, but I still expect that it will ultimately unfold. For now, we're finding new loan business quite competitive in terms of both loan amount and pricing. That competition is coming from both non bank lenders and occasionally from large banks. For the balance of 2024, we're targeting a higher proportion of originations in the single family sector as well as higher origination in commercial sectors. This strategy is aimed at lowering risk, the risk of any new loan business put on the books. Speaker 100:18:59My sense is that the real estate markets will be soft until at least the end of 2024. We forecast that a market recovery should gradually occur in 2025 when real estate markets have bottomed, inflation has declined and the Bank of Canada has materially dropped interest rates. In the interim, the lack of activity is starting to result in a drop in construction costs. The most pronounced drop has been in low rise construction where we have seen as much as a 15% drop in costs. I remain confident that our team can manage our portfolio through the balance of this downturn. Speaker 100:19:38As we discussed earlier today in our management presentation at the AGM, we have consistently outperformed during market downturns. During the financial crisis, for instance, in 2,008 and 2,009, HRM earned $0.98 a share and $0.99 a share. And since the beginning of COVID, we've earned $0.98 a share in 2021, dollars 1.08 in 20.22 and a record $1.18 per share last year. And we started the year again, 2024, with strong earnings of $0.27 per share. That's all for the presentation, but we'd be pleased to take any questions from the listeners. Operator00:20:36The first question is from Sid Rajeev from Fundamental Research Corp. Sid, please go ahead. Speaker 300:20:44Hi, gentlemen. Congrats on your strong quarter. I'm trying to figure out how you might be forecasting allowances. Currently, it's at 2.81% of the portfolio. If there are no mortgage specific expected losses, will you maintain this allowance at current levels? Speaker 300:21:05Or is it safe to assume that you'll keep increasing similar to what you did in Q1? Speaker 100:21:13I'll Speaker 200:21:16say that I'll jump in on this one. So our labs, as Rob mentioned, we have our stage 1, which is general, which is over 100 bps, which we feel is adequate at this time. And given the softness in the market, that's probably going to persist and continue. I would expect that number to stay at an elevated level for the foreseeable quarters. The Stage 23, it's Speaker 100:21:44very hard to Speaker 200:21:44give a very precise answer to you because they're very loan specific, right? So every quarter, we're going to look at our portfolio, look at our borrowers, look at our specific situations. Rob talked about specific loans where the collateral coming to market. So that's going to help us understand our provisions a little more closely. So it's hard to give you precise numbers on this one, but we could say as long as the market remains soft, there's going to be pressure to keep higher level provisions. Speaker 300:22:19Okay. Thanks. The second question is, obviously, rates are expected to be down Speaker 100:22:26in the second half or Speaker 300:22:27at least by Q4. And you did mention that you could see a gradual increase in new mortgages. How about your risk appetite? Would you be open to getting more of like lowering your 1st mortgages or more geographical diversification or things like that? Any material changes in risk appetite? Speaker 100:22:53I don't think our risk appetite will change. However, we are looking at a second mortgage that has our property, it's an industrial portfolio with a ton of cash flow coming out of it. We view it as a really good opportunity. I don't know if we can put it together. We have we're just starting to talk to an institutional partner. Speaker 100:23:20But that would push up the percentage of second mortgages. But it's not like we've decided to change our risk profile. It's just a really good opportunity that's come along. And I don't know if we'll do it or not. We'll see. Speaker 300:23:34Okay. Thank you so much. Operator00:23:39The next question is Graham Ryding from TD Securities. Graham, please go ahead. Speaker 400:23:49Hi, good afternoon. Let me just start with the mortgage rates. So it sounds like you're increasing your mix of single family and that's putting some lower rate mortgages into the portfolio. Speaker 100:24:00So reasonable to assume that Speaker 400:24:00that weighted average mortgage rate 2024? Speaker 100:24:11I think so. The other thing is when prime went up, some of the mortgages that were already on the books had some really high yields. And when we renew those mortgages, particularly if we want to keep those mortgages, we may price a little finer. So, I think it will gradually come down. I don't think it will come down sharply, but I think it will gradually come down. Speaker 100:24:37Okay. Speaker 400:24:41So, listening to your commentary, I appreciate the color that you gave on the Stage 2 and Stage 3. I got the sense that it's the $38,500,000 for loans, 1 sponsor in GVA is the area that might have the most sort of risk from your perspective. You think you may have to take some impairments there. Is that accurate when you go through all the Stage 2 and Stage 3? That's the most problematic group of mortgage loans? Speaker 100:25:16Yes, I think you're right, but I think we're really well provisioned on them. I don't think we're going to need more provisions on them. I think there's a chance that we could recover on them. I mean, we're seeing verbal interest and in one case, a written offer that would suggest we're over provisioned. But offers don't always close these days. Speaker 100:25:40So, we're not counting on that offer unless it goes firm. So I think you're right that the $38,000,000 single sponsor, the 4 loans like 2 of the loans we're not terribly worried about and 2 of the loans we are, but we're pretty darn well provisioned on both of them. It's not like we need to catch up on the provisioning on either one of those. Speaker 400:26:07Okay, understood. Normally, you have pretty low loan to values against your mortgages. So why what happened here that 2 of them you think you may take some losses here? Speaker 300:26:20So one of them was a construction loan, Speaker 100:26:26where the construction costs got completely out of hand, we have the suspicion that the cost monitor didn't do a good job of ensuring that the funds we were advancing were actually advanced to this project and not to another project, because the costs don't make any sense in terms of cost to complete. So it put us in a much higher loan to value than we should have been. It was not just the fact that construction costs, our costs have increased. There's something more than that on this loan. Having said that, we're over 60% provisioned on that loan. Speaker 100:27:12So, we don't have much exposure on it. Like we're taking the worst case scenario on that loan. And the other one was project where the city changed its mind, the municipality, it's in the GDA, but I'm not going to say which municipality, but the city changed its mind as to how they saw a particular area. And we were lending on the basis of what we understood the density would be. And that again, I won't get into really too granular, but there was a big surprise in terms of what the zoning looks like today versus what we expected it to look like. Speaker 100:28:05And it was because the city completely reversed its position in part because of provincial guidelines that came that the city was not keen on, but had to adhere to. I don't know if I'm making any sense. No, no, no. So, sometimes you hit the perfect storm, these 2 were the perfect storm. Speaker 400:28:28Yes. That makes sense to me. And then if we sort of look into 2025 and we do get a scenario rates start to come down and the commercial market seems to start be a little bit healthier and more active. And you do see a decline in your Stage 2 and Stage 3 loans. Like assuming no material write offs, would you be in a position there to reverse some of these ACLs that you've built up on your balance sheet and reverse them back into earnings? Speaker 100:29:02Yes, we could be. I mean, in 2019, we thought that a 1% just from 10,000 feet, we thought a 1% loan loss provision on the overall portfolio was perfectly fine. Percent and we've hardly incurred any losses and we've got $24,900,000 of provisions in place. So we think we're really well provisioned. But ultimately, when the market and we even have, as John said, 107 basis points against our healthiest loans, our stage 1 loans. Speaker 100:29:34So we think we're really well provisioned. Speaker 300:29:39The question is, Speaker 100:29:42I think we're in a U recovery. I don't think we're in a V recovery. I think a lot of real estate developers are weaker than they were obviously 2 years ago. They've been servicing mortgages often out of their own liquidity. And so I think the recovery will take a while. Speaker 100:29:58I do think we're at or near the bottom. But it's not like they're suddenly going to be healthy at the end of all this. If they lost a lot of their liquidity, they're not going to be going and buying new projects the minute that the clouds part, they just won't have the same financial capacity they once did. So we're just being pretty careful because my sense is that, yes, the recovery should start sometime in 2025, hopefully early 2025. But I don't think it's going to be a miraculous and quick recovery. Speaker 100:30:33I think it's going to be gradual. Speaker 400:30:36Okay, very helpful. And one more if I could get greedy, just the convertible debenture that's coming up in June. It sounds like you would more likely paying this off with your credit facility than coming back to Speaker 100:30:49the market. Is that fair? I think so. I think almost definitely, yes. We're hopeful that converts will come down. Speaker 100:31:01They're down about 75 basis points in terms of the pricing that's been presented to us by various investment dealers, including some from your firm. So, I think the market is probably 7.25 ish, maybe 7. We wouldn't want to pay that much because convertible debentures are expensive. They come with significant broker fees. So the real cost is 3 quarters of a point more or something like that. Speaker 100:31:36So we look as interest rates drop for some improvement in the convertible debenture market. And then I think we'd be open to access it. I don't think we want our entire balance sheet to just be equity and line of credit. We'd like to have converts on our within our balance sheet. Just because they're fixed rate obligations, they're very predictable. Speaker 100:31:58And I think it's healthy to have a mix of all three sources on your liability side of your balance sheet, equity, line of credit and converts. Operator00:32:51It appears that there are no other questions at this time. I will now give the call back to Robert Goodall for closing statements. Speaker 100:32:58Okay. Thank you very much for listening to our presentation. We're not cocky about it, but we're quite proud of our results over the last several years. We've now had highest earnings per share of what we view as our peers for 12 straight quarters. And we think we're very well provisioned. Speaker 100:33:19So we haven't created those earnings per share through skimping on loan loss provisions. To the contrary, we're very healthy provisions. So to say we're not cocky about it, but we're quite proud of our results. And hopefully, the listeners who are shareholders are pleased as well. Thank you very much. Operator00:33:40Thank you for participating. 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There are 5 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Ladies and gentlemen, please standby. Your conference is about to begin. Welcome to the Atrium Mortgage Investment Corporation's First Quarter Conference Call. A reminder that this conference is being recorded, Wednesday, May 15, 2024. Certain statements will be made during this phone call that may be forward looking statements. Operator00:00:31Although Atrium believes that such statements are based upon reasonable assumptions, actual results may differ materially. Forward looking statements are based on the beliefs, estimates and opinions of Atrium's management on the date the statements are made. Atrium undertakes no obligation to update these forward looking statements in the event that management's beliefs, estimates, opinions or other factors change. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Robert Goodall. Mr. Operator00:00:58Goodall, please go ahead. Speaker 100:01:00Thank you, and thank you for calling in today. Our CFO, John Ahmad, will start by talking about our financial results, and then I'll speak about our performance from an operational and a portfolio perspective. Sean? Thanks, Rob. Speaker 200:01:16So Atrium got off to a solid start in fiscal 2024 by posting an EPS of $0.27 which is pacing ahead of our fixed dividend rate of $0.225 for the quarter. This is consistent with our Q4 performance, but down from $0.33 in the prior year quarter. Our Q1 revenues of $25,200,000 are actually up 6.3% over the prior year due to our higher portfolio balance and a higher portfolio rate, but EPS was down due to a higher provision for mortgage losses booked in the current quarter and not a deterioration in core operating performance. Overall, our mortgage portfolio ended the quarter at $886,000,000 which is down slightly from $8.94 in Q4, but higher than the prior year balance of $8.45 Market activity remained slow in the quarter. Uncertain economic conditions marked by high interest rates, inflationary construction costs and financial stress on end consumers continue to keep capital on the sidelines and hence cap the number of attractive opportunities in the market. Speaker 200:02:25Benchmark rates remained unchanged during the quarter, but our portfolio rate came down to 11.25 percent from 11.42 percent at the beginning of the year. This decrease is due to loan repayments at higher rates being replaced with originations at lower rates. All things being equal, we expect this trend to continue. This trend is also consistent with our focus on lower risk reward mortgages as nearly 30% of new originations in Q1 were single family mortgages in the GTA. This aligns with our primary objective of maintaining a resilient portfolio and protecting shareholder capital during uncertain times. Speaker 200:03:07Our balance sheet also remained very strong at quarter end. Speaker 100:03:10Our Speaker 200:03:10total balance sheet leverage of 43.9 percent remained low and our floating rate credit facility represented just 24.7% of total funding sources at the end of the quarter. We still have plenty of room on our credit facility as it currently has a limit of $315,000,000 So this represents both a source of liquidity and potential funding capacity to grow the business should market conditions permit. Balance of our funding is mainly comprised of equity capital and our convertible debentures, which remain fixed at favorable rates with the earliest one due this June 2024 and the rest staggered between 2025 to 2029. Given the high rate environment, management would prefer to lock in longer term funding at more favorable rates. Therefore, we continue to monitor the market closely, but we have ample capacity on our credit facility to fund the upcoming maturity if required. Speaker 200:04:08During the quarter, we also booked a provision for mortgage losses of $3,900,000 which is significantly higher than the previous amount of $1,000,000 in the prior year quarter and this is due to a higher assessment of credit risk in our mortgage portfolio. Total allowance of mortgage losses is now 281 bps, up from 253 bps last quarter. It should be noted that a large proportion of our allowance is for Stage 1 low performing loans. Our Stage 1 allowance represents 39% of our total allowance and remains elevated due to weak macroeconomic indicators employed in our model, including housing prices, unemployment and economic growth. On a positive note, outside of smaller single family loans, no new multifamily or commercial loans are classified as stage 2 or 3 this quarter and the total amount of loans in stages 2 or 3 was down 14% quarter over quarter mainly due to pay downs. Speaker 200:05:07While Atrium is not in the current market, our current credit risk profile improved slightly over the year. In addition, our business model continues to produce strong cash flow for investors in spite of proactively recognizing higher credit risk through our provisions. Overall, Q1 was another consistent quarter in terms of financial performance for shareholders, continued to adhere to our established risk appetite in terms of new opportunities, remain very disciplined with respect to operating expenses, continue to maintain a strong balance sheet that could withstand any stresses from the downturn in the cycle. Rob, I'll pass it back to you. Speaker 100:05:49Thank you. As John said, we had another good quarter. Atrium mix generated basic earnings per share of $0.27 in Q1. We again increased our loan loss provision to $3,850,000 for the quarter despite, as John mentioned, a material reduction in Stage 3 loans during the quarter. As you know, we've always been proactive in making loan loss provisions, which will protect future earnings. Speaker 100:06:14Overall, the portfolio decreased marginally from $893,000,000 dollars in Q4 to $886,000,000 in Q1. Loan advances were $78,000,000 and loan repayments were $81,600,000 dollars We expect to have a high level of loan repayments in Q2 and consequently we expect that the loan portfolio will reduce in size. Atrium's average mortgage rate dropped slightly from 11.42% last quarter to 11.25% this quarter. This was due to the fact that a significant portion of new loans were low risk single family mortgages priced at $9.49 per annum. Approximately 80% of our loans are now floating, down from 89% last quarter. Speaker 100:07:01Given that rates have peaked, we're no longer concerned about structuring loans on a floating rate basis. Atrium's total of high ratio loans, that is loans over 75% loan to value, remained low at 8.9% of the total portfolio. There are 4 high ratio loans in the commercial and multi residential portfolio totaling $68,000,000 And there are also $10,500,000 of high ratio single family loans with loan to values ranging from 75.3 percent to 92.2%. Atrium's percentage of first mortgages jumped from 94.6% to 96.7% in Q1, which I believe is an all time record high. Construction loans represent only 4.85 percent of the mortgage portfolio. Speaker 100:07:52We view construction loans as the most risky type of loan today because of frequent cost overruns and significant time delays. In Q1, the average loan to value of the portfolio the average loan to value of the portfolio increased to 64%, which continues to be within our desired range. Turning to defaults, there were no new commercial or multi residential defaults during Q1. I'll describe each of the loans. A presold project in Sutton of $2,800,000 this loan was actually repaid shortly after quarter end on April 11. Speaker 100:08:29A Markham townhouse site of $1,500,000 this project had a much larger loan, it's actually been sold and closed and the final $1,500,000 should be released in the next 3 months. Dollars 49,000,000 mortgage in North Vancouver. This 4.5 acre site has been in default for several quarters, and it is fully approved for a mix of multi residential buildings having a gross floor area of approximately 300,000 square feet. Since the last quarter, the redemption period for the borrower has lapsed and we interviewed 3 realtors. We selected CBRE, who launched the sales process in the 1st week of May. Speaker 100:09:12There has been strong interest in the property and we'll know more by the end of next quarter. The remaining four loans are located in Greater Vancouver and total CAD38.5 million dollars and they are connected to a single sponsor. As a result of ongoing legal proceedings, I'm unable to speak in too much detail about these loans, but I'll tell you what I can. The loans range in size from $3,800,000 to $13,500,000 and all of them are secured by low rise development sites, They're mostly townhouse sites in Langley, Richmond and White Rock. 1 is a construction loan and the other 3 are bridge loans. Speaker 100:09:51We believe that we have a potential impairment on 2 of the 4 properties and accordingly, we've made specific provisions for those 2 loans over the last 6 months. The final loan in default is a condo inventory loan in Vancouver. The loan was secured by 22 completed condominium units with an estimated liquidation value of about $25,000,000 The loan balance dropped from $20,500,000 last quarter to $16,200,000 at the end of Q1 as a result of 5 condo inventory units being sold. Another 4 have gone firm and will close within the next couple of weeks, reducing the loan by a further 3,000,000 dollars In addition to the condo inventory security we hold, we also have an assignment of a $10,500,000 first mortgage and a parcel of land appraised at $29,000,000 So we definitely do not expect to incur a loss on this loan. In Q1, we increased Atrium's loan loss reserve by $3,850,000 The amount of the quarterly loan loss reserves continues to gradually trend downwards and this for the 3rd straight quarter. Speaker 100:11:08Atrium's loan loss reserve now totals a very healthy $24,900,000 equal to 281 basis points on the overall mortgage portfolio. This is up from 253 basis points last quarter, 203 basis points in Q3 and 150 basis points in Q2. It's worth noting that we have a large general reserve equal to 107 basis points against our highest quality stage 1 loans, which should reinforce the notion that our loan provisioning is very conservative. As a result, we strongly believe that we have adequate provisions in place, which will protect profits for the future. My economic commentary is as follows. Speaker 100:11:55After strong GDP growth in January, GDP increased by only 0.2% of 1% in February, which was well below consensus. The forecast for Q1 as a whole is 2.5 percent GDP growth and a 7th consecutive quarterly per capita decline. Canadian labor market has been soft with the unemployment rate increasing by 1.1% since 2022 to a total of 6.1% today. Canada's labor market contrasts with the U. S. Speaker 100:12:29Where employment levels have been very strong and the unemployment rate is only 3.9%. The consumer price index in Canada dropped to 2.9% in March from 3.4% in December 2023. Once again, shelter costs contributed to most of the gain. Core inflation is sitting slightly above 3%, but it is also adversely affected by the inclusion of mortgage and rent increases. There's a growing sense that the Bank of Canada will begin cutting interest rates at the June or July Bank of Canada meeting. Speaker 100:13:06Consensus among economists is for a cumulative 1% cut by the Bank of Canada by the end of 2024. Inversely, the higher inflation rate and stronger job market in the U. S. Has caused economists to now forecast only one interest rate cut towards the end of 2024. Divergence in economic prosperity between the U. Speaker 100:13:30S. And Canada could limit how much the Bank of Canada can cut rates. Turning to the commercial real estate markets, the pace of cap rate increases slowed significantly in Q1 with the yield rising just 9 basis points on a quarter over quarter basis to 6.69%. In the GTA, multifamily cap rates in high rise apartments were 3.35% to 4.4%, while industrial cap rates were 5% to 5.5% and office cap rates were 5.25% to 7.25%. In Vancouver, where cap rates are traditionally lower, multifamily cap rates in high rise apartments were 2.25% to 3.25%, while industrial rates were 4.5% to 5%, and the office cap rates were 5.25% to 6.25%. Speaker 100:14:24The industrial vacancy rate in Toronto rose to 3.3%, while Vancouver rose to 3.6%. Significant growth in industrial lease rates appears to have come to an end. Vancouver remained the tightest office market in Canada with a 10.9% vacancy rate downtown and a suburban vacancy rate of only 7.8%. In Toronto, the downtown vacancy rate was much more elevated at 18%, while the suburban office vacancy rate was 20.6%. Looking at the residential resale market, in the GTA April sales were down 5% compared to last year when there was a temporary resurgence in market activity. Speaker 100:15:07The number of new listings were up a surprising 47% over the same period. The home price index in the GTA was down less than 1% year over year. And on a month over month basis, the composite index was up 0.4% and the average selling price was up 1.5%. In Metro Vancouver, resales in April were 3.3% above the previous year. Similar to the GTA, the number of residential properties listed for sale is up by 42%. Speaker 100:15:41The home price index increased by 2.3% on a year over year basis and was up 0.8% compared to last month. Turning to the new home market, in the GTA sales in Q1 were 10.9% below the same period last year. High rise sales were down 41% on a year over year basis, while low rise sales were up 76% on a year over year basis, albeit from a low base of comparison. The benchmark price for high rise and low rise dropped by 5.6% and 11.4% respectively on a year over year basis, but they did increase by 0.7% from the previous month. Although the supply of unsold high rise inventory increased, 57% of that inventory is still in the presale stage and may never be built. Speaker 100:16:33As importantly, there are only 525 unsold units of standing inventory and 87% of all units currently under construction have been pre sold. In Vancouver, the Q1 figures not yet available, but in Q4, Metro Vancouver's new multifamily home sales increased by 20% from the previous quarter and 58% from above the same quarter last year. The higher sales were facilitated by a greater number of projects been released to the market. A total of 40 projects were launched in the 4th quarter, representing over 5,400 units of inventory, of which 38% were reported sold at the end of the year. To summarize, resale sales volumes are below average levels and prices are relatively flat. Speaker 100:17:24Not surprisingly, the new home market remains relatively weak, particularly in the GTA. We need lower mortgage rates and price appreciation in the resale market before we will see a significant recovery in the new home market. To finish, despite continued challenging market conditions, we're off to a good start in 2024 with earnings per share of $0.27 And overall, I'm pleased with the way the portfolio performed in Q1. The Stage 3 loans dropped from 36,700,000 all the way down to 18,800,000 and our combined Stage 2 and Stage 3 loans dropped by approximately 22,000,000 dollars We had no new commercial and multi residential defaults during the quarter. Given the state of the market, I believe that there will be fewer active non bank lenders in the future and that lenders like Atrium will benefit from the fallout. Speaker 100:18:19This process is taking longer than I anticipated, but I still expect that it will ultimately unfold. For now, we're finding new loan business quite competitive in terms of both loan amount and pricing. That competition is coming from both non bank lenders and occasionally from large banks. For the balance of 2024, we're targeting a higher proportion of originations in the single family sector as well as higher origination in commercial sectors. This strategy is aimed at lowering risk, the risk of any new loan business put on the books. Speaker 100:18:59My sense is that the real estate markets will be soft until at least the end of 2024. We forecast that a market recovery should gradually occur in 2025 when real estate markets have bottomed, inflation has declined and the Bank of Canada has materially dropped interest rates. In the interim, the lack of activity is starting to result in a drop in construction costs. The most pronounced drop has been in low rise construction where we have seen as much as a 15% drop in costs. I remain confident that our team can manage our portfolio through the balance of this downturn. Speaker 100:19:38As we discussed earlier today in our management presentation at the AGM, we have consistently outperformed during market downturns. During the financial crisis, for instance, in 2,008 and 2,009, HRM earned $0.98 a share and $0.99 a share. And since the beginning of COVID, we've earned $0.98 a share in 2021, dollars 1.08 in 20.22 and a record $1.18 per share last year. And we started the year again, 2024, with strong earnings of $0.27 per share. That's all for the presentation, but we'd be pleased to take any questions from the listeners. Operator00:20:36The first question is from Sid Rajeev from Fundamental Research Corp. Sid, please go ahead. Speaker 300:20:44Hi, gentlemen. Congrats on your strong quarter. I'm trying to figure out how you might be forecasting allowances. Currently, it's at 2.81% of the portfolio. If there are no mortgage specific expected losses, will you maintain this allowance at current levels? Speaker 300:21:05Or is it safe to assume that you'll keep increasing similar to what you did in Q1? Speaker 100:21:13I'll Speaker 200:21:16say that I'll jump in on this one. So our labs, as Rob mentioned, we have our stage 1, which is general, which is over 100 bps, which we feel is adequate at this time. And given the softness in the market, that's probably going to persist and continue. I would expect that number to stay at an elevated level for the foreseeable quarters. The Stage 23, it's Speaker 100:21:44very hard to Speaker 200:21:44give a very precise answer to you because they're very loan specific, right? So every quarter, we're going to look at our portfolio, look at our borrowers, look at our specific situations. Rob talked about specific loans where the collateral coming to market. So that's going to help us understand our provisions a little more closely. So it's hard to give you precise numbers on this one, but we could say as long as the market remains soft, there's going to be pressure to keep higher level provisions. Speaker 300:22:19Okay. Thanks. The second question is, obviously, rates are expected to be down Speaker 100:22:26in the second half or Speaker 300:22:27at least by Q4. And you did mention that you could see a gradual increase in new mortgages. How about your risk appetite? Would you be open to getting more of like lowering your 1st mortgages or more geographical diversification or things like that? Any material changes in risk appetite? Speaker 100:22:53I don't think our risk appetite will change. However, we are looking at a second mortgage that has our property, it's an industrial portfolio with a ton of cash flow coming out of it. We view it as a really good opportunity. I don't know if we can put it together. We have we're just starting to talk to an institutional partner. Speaker 100:23:20But that would push up the percentage of second mortgages. But it's not like we've decided to change our risk profile. It's just a really good opportunity that's come along. And I don't know if we'll do it or not. We'll see. Speaker 300:23:34Okay. Thank you so much. Operator00:23:39The next question is Graham Ryding from TD Securities. Graham, please go ahead. Speaker 400:23:49Hi, good afternoon. Let me just start with the mortgage rates. So it sounds like you're increasing your mix of single family and that's putting some lower rate mortgages into the portfolio. Speaker 100:24:00So reasonable to assume that Speaker 400:24:00that weighted average mortgage rate 2024? Speaker 100:24:11I think so. The other thing is when prime went up, some of the mortgages that were already on the books had some really high yields. And when we renew those mortgages, particularly if we want to keep those mortgages, we may price a little finer. So, I think it will gradually come down. I don't think it will come down sharply, but I think it will gradually come down. Speaker 100:24:37Okay. Speaker 400:24:41So, listening to your commentary, I appreciate the color that you gave on the Stage 2 and Stage 3. I got the sense that it's the $38,500,000 for loans, 1 sponsor in GVA is the area that might have the most sort of risk from your perspective. You think you may have to take some impairments there. Is that accurate when you go through all the Stage 2 and Stage 3? That's the most problematic group of mortgage loans? Speaker 100:25:16Yes, I think you're right, but I think we're really well provisioned on them. I don't think we're going to need more provisions on them. I think there's a chance that we could recover on them. I mean, we're seeing verbal interest and in one case, a written offer that would suggest we're over provisioned. But offers don't always close these days. Speaker 100:25:40So, we're not counting on that offer unless it goes firm. So I think you're right that the $38,000,000 single sponsor, the 4 loans like 2 of the loans we're not terribly worried about and 2 of the loans we are, but we're pretty darn well provisioned on both of them. It's not like we need to catch up on the provisioning on either one of those. Speaker 400:26:07Okay, understood. Normally, you have pretty low loan to values against your mortgages. So why what happened here that 2 of them you think you may take some losses here? Speaker 300:26:20So one of them was a construction loan, Speaker 100:26:26where the construction costs got completely out of hand, we have the suspicion that the cost monitor didn't do a good job of ensuring that the funds we were advancing were actually advanced to this project and not to another project, because the costs don't make any sense in terms of cost to complete. So it put us in a much higher loan to value than we should have been. It was not just the fact that construction costs, our costs have increased. There's something more than that on this loan. Having said that, we're over 60% provisioned on that loan. Speaker 100:27:12So, we don't have much exposure on it. Like we're taking the worst case scenario on that loan. And the other one was project where the city changed its mind, the municipality, it's in the GDA, but I'm not going to say which municipality, but the city changed its mind as to how they saw a particular area. And we were lending on the basis of what we understood the density would be. And that again, I won't get into really too granular, but there was a big surprise in terms of what the zoning looks like today versus what we expected it to look like. Speaker 100:28:05And it was because the city completely reversed its position in part because of provincial guidelines that came that the city was not keen on, but had to adhere to. I don't know if I'm making any sense. No, no, no. So, sometimes you hit the perfect storm, these 2 were the perfect storm. Speaker 400:28:28Yes. That makes sense to me. And then if we sort of look into 2025 and we do get a scenario rates start to come down and the commercial market seems to start be a little bit healthier and more active. And you do see a decline in your Stage 2 and Stage 3 loans. Like assuming no material write offs, would you be in a position there to reverse some of these ACLs that you've built up on your balance sheet and reverse them back into earnings? Speaker 100:29:02Yes, we could be. I mean, in 2019, we thought that a 1% just from 10,000 feet, we thought a 1% loan loss provision on the overall portfolio was perfectly fine. Percent and we've hardly incurred any losses and we've got $24,900,000 of provisions in place. So we think we're really well provisioned. But ultimately, when the market and we even have, as John said, 107 basis points against our healthiest loans, our stage 1 loans. Speaker 100:29:34So we think we're really well provisioned. Speaker 300:29:39The question is, Speaker 100:29:42I think we're in a U recovery. I don't think we're in a V recovery. I think a lot of real estate developers are weaker than they were obviously 2 years ago. They've been servicing mortgages often out of their own liquidity. And so I think the recovery will take a while. Speaker 100:29:58I do think we're at or near the bottom. But it's not like they're suddenly going to be healthy at the end of all this. If they lost a lot of their liquidity, they're not going to be going and buying new projects the minute that the clouds part, they just won't have the same financial capacity they once did. So we're just being pretty careful because my sense is that, yes, the recovery should start sometime in 2025, hopefully early 2025. But I don't think it's going to be a miraculous and quick recovery. Speaker 100:30:33I think it's going to be gradual. Speaker 400:30:36Okay, very helpful. And one more if I could get greedy, just the convertible debenture that's coming up in June. It sounds like you would more likely paying this off with your credit facility than coming back to Speaker 100:30:49the market. Is that fair? I think so. I think almost definitely, yes. We're hopeful that converts will come down. Speaker 100:31:01They're down about 75 basis points in terms of the pricing that's been presented to us by various investment dealers, including some from your firm. So, I think the market is probably 7.25 ish, maybe 7. We wouldn't want to pay that much because convertible debentures are expensive. They come with significant broker fees. So the real cost is 3 quarters of a point more or something like that. Speaker 100:31:36So we look as interest rates drop for some improvement in the convertible debenture market. And then I think we'd be open to access it. I don't think we want our entire balance sheet to just be equity and line of credit. We'd like to have converts on our within our balance sheet. Just because they're fixed rate obligations, they're very predictable. Speaker 100:31:58And I think it's healthy to have a mix of all three sources on your liability side of your balance sheet, equity, line of credit and converts. Operator00:32:51It appears that there are no other questions at this time. I will now give the call back to Robert Goodall for closing statements. Speaker 100:32:58Okay. Thank you very much for listening to our presentation. We're not cocky about it, but we're quite proud of our results over the last several years. We've now had highest earnings per share of what we view as our peers for 12 straight quarters. And we think we're very well provisioned. Speaker 100:33:19So we haven't created those earnings per share through skimping on loan loss provisions. To the contrary, we're very healthy provisions. So to say we're not cocky about it, but we're quite proud of our results. And hopefully, the listeners who are shareholders are pleased as well. Thank you very much. Operator00:33:40Thank you for participating. This conference call is now concluded. Please hang up.Read morePowered by