NASDAQ:FTEK Fuel Tech Q1 2025 Earnings Report $1.04 -0.03 (-2.34%) As of 03:11 PM Eastern Earnings HistoryForecast Fuel Tech EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.02Consensus EPS -$0.02Beat/MissMet ExpectationsOne Year Ago EPSN/AFuel Tech Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$6.38 millionExpected Revenue$6.64 millionBeat/MissMissed by -$258.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/AFuel Tech Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2025Date5/12/2025TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, May 13, 2025Conference Call Time10:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Fuel Tech Q1 2025 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrMay 13, 2025 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Fuel Tech twenty twenty five First Quarter Financial Results Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Devin Sullivan, Managing Director of The Equity Group. Operator00:00:28Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:30Thank you, Melissa, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for Fuel Tech's twenty twenty five first quarter financial results conference call. Yesterday, after the close, we issued a press release, a copy of which is available at the company's website, www.ftek.com. Our speakers for today will be Vince Arnone, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer and Ellen Albrecht, the company's Chief Financial Officer. After prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions from our analysts and investors. Before turning things over to Vince, I'd like to remind everyone that matters discussed on this call except for historical information are forward looking statements as defined in Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended, which are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and reflect Fuel Tech's current expectations regarding future growth, results of operations, cash flows, performance and business prospects and opportunities as well as assumptions made by and information currently available to our company's management. Speaker 100:01:33Fuel Tech has tried to identify forward looking statements by using words such as anticipate, believe, plan, expect, estimate, intend, will and similar expressions, but those words are not the exclusive means of identifying forward looking statements. These statements are based on information currently available to Fuel Tech and are subject to various risks, uncertainties and other factors, including, but not limited to, those discussed in Fuel Tech's annual report on Form 10 ks and Item 1A under the caption of Risk Factors and subsequent filings under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended, which could cause Fuel Tech's actual growth, results of operations, financial condition, cash flows, performance, business prospects and opportunities to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by these statements. Fuel Tech undertakes no obligation to update such factors or to publicly announce the results of any forward looking statements contained herein to reflect future events, developments or changed circumstances or for any other reason. Investors are cautioned that all forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, including those detailed in the company's filings with the SEC. So with that said, I'd now like to turn the call over to Vince Arnone, CEO of Fuel Tech. Speaker 100:02:45Vince, please go ahead. Speaker 200:02:48Thank you, Devin. Good morning, and I'd like to thank everyone for joining us on the call today. On our March conference call, we expressed encouragement with our near term outlook for business development opportunities. I'm pleased to report that our first quarter contract booking activity met our expectations with $5,600,000 in bookings announced to date, and we had the best first quarter performance for our FUEL CHEM business segment in more than ten years. We believe that 2025 will be a year of growth for our company. Speaker 200:03:26Revenues for the first quarter of twenty twenty five rose 29% from the prior year period, primarily driven by the aforementioned robust performance from our FUEL CHEM business segment. For the quarter versus prior year, we expanded our gross margins, narrowed our operating loss and significantly increased our APC project backlog to the highest level in three years. Further, we maintained a strong financial position with cash, cash equivalents and investments of approximately $31,000,000 at quarter end and no long term debt. On an overall basis, we are encouraged by the global landscape of business development activities that we are seeing, driven by continued expansion in manufacturing in many sectors and by the growing demand for power generation as a whole, which is being driven by several reasons, most notably the advancement of artificial intelligence. Fuel Tech's portfolio of emissions control solutions has proven to be an integral part of infrastructure build outs in The U. Speaker 200:04:34S. And around the world. Regardless of fuel source, our technologies are used to reduce harmful gases, including nitrogen oxides and sulfur trioxides as well as particulate emissions from combustion sources, while enhancing operating efficiencies and allowing industrial and utility customers to remain compliant with state, federal and country specific regulations. Investment in water quality and water infrastructure is also growing, and we believe that our dissolved gas infusion technology offers a compelling solution for municipal and industrial end markets. We have a product demonstration that will commence later this month and are in discussions with customers representing multiple end markets that can benefit from our water technology. Speaker 200:05:26Now let's talk about our results for the quarter. Our FUEL CHEM business segment began 2025 with the best first quarter performance that we have seen in ten years, with revenues rising 92% compared to last year's first quarter. This was the result of the return to full operation of our base accounts and the incremental contribution from the new commercial account that we added in the second quarter of twenty twenty four. We continue to pursue additional FUEL CHEM opportunities, both domestically and internationally, and we currently expect that a new demonstration of our TIFI targeted in furnace injection technology is likely to commence late in the third quarter of this year at a coal fired unit in the Midwest. With respect to international FUEL CHEM opportunities, we remain in discussions with our partner in Mexico to expand the provision of our chemical technology in that country. Speaker 200:06:24Based on conversations with our partners in Mexico, it is still our understanding that the newly elected government is targeting the implementation of environmental policy aimed at the reduction of pollutants that cause climate change. As Mexico is planning to use the heavy fuel oil generated from their oil refining operations as fuel for power generation for the near term future, we are hopeful that our FUEL CHEM program will be an integral part of President Chain Baum's plan. Now let's turn to our APC business segment. APC revenues declined from last year's first quarter due primarily to the timing of project execution. However, we have been encouraged by the cadence of new contract awards and are currently addressing the best portfolio of APC business opportunities that we have seen in several years, both domestically and internationally. Speaker 200:07:21We generated $5,600,000 in APC orders during the first quarter, which drove a 66% increase in our backlog at 03/31/2025 from 12/31/2024. We are continuing to pursue additional new awards driven by industrial expansion globally and by state specific regulatory requirements in The U. S, and we are also following incremental opportunities for the municipal solid waste or MSW market that have a good probability of coming our way later this year. As of today, we currently expect to close an additional 3,000,000 to $5,000,000 in new contract awards by the end of the current second quarter. As mentioned previously, the artificial intelligence boom has generated increasing demand for data centers. Speaker 200:08:15This growth will require a significant increase in energy over the next several years. To address the necessary emissions control requirements of these facilities, we are utilizing our SCR and ULTRA technologies to participate in larger domestic contract opportunities. We are working with multiple parties involved in the development of data centers and have submitted budgetary bids in pursuit of opportunities in this market. Regarding the regulatory front. As we mentioned on our conference call in March, we are not expecting any specific tailwinds that would come from the implementation of new regulation as the new administration is not likely to implement regulations that we're working through the process of approval and finalization when the new term commenced. Speaker 200:09:05It is important to note that the opportunities that we are following today are not contingent on the implementation of any new regulations. We are continuing to monitor progress of the EPA's rule for the large municipal waste combustor units, which is independent of the Good Neighbor Rule. This rule reduces the nitrogen oxide emissions requirements for large MWC units. Fuel Tech has had a long history of assisting this industry in meeting its compliance requirements, and we've had discussions with customers in this segment to support their compliance planning. The final rule has been delayed by EPA until December of twenty twenty five, with compliance deadlines expected three years from the date of issue. Speaker 200:09:51That being said, there are some specific states that are currently requiring lower NOx emissions that are consistent with the proposed MWC rule, and we are actively pursuing those opportunities today. For DGI, we have deployed our equipment to the site of a fish hatchery in the Western U. S. And our demonstration, which is expected to last nine to twelve months, will commence before the end of this month. This demonstration will have defined test protocols to evaluate the benefits of the DGI technology, resulting from the supply of consistent and precise levels of dissolved oxygen and the raising of game fish in a controlled environment. Speaker 200:10:35In addition to this demonstration, discussions are progressing with the municipal wastewater treatment facility in the Southeastern United States, and we are pursuing other end markets of interest for DGI, including pulp and paper, food and beverage, chemical and petrochemical and horticulture. We continue to receive inquiries regarding DGI from potential customers in multiple end markets and are hopeful that we can generate our first commercial revenues in 2025. Additionally, we have recently executed sales representative agreements with two companies that will focus their efforts on helping us to bring DGI into end markets, and we expect to add additional representatives imminently. Based on our effective backlog, recent contract awards, the APC business development activities that we are pursuing and our previously noted expectations for FUEL CHEM, we are maintaining our revenue guidance for 2025. We continue to expect that total revenues for 2025 will approximate $30,000,000 with both business segments exceeding their performance in 2024. Speaker 200:11:47This base case outlook excludes any material revenue contributions from DGI, any significant contributions to APC from new regulations or from large data center contract awards and any impact from new material business development activities for FUEL CHEM. In closing, we are very encouraged by the recent developments at APC, the continued growth potential from our FUEL CHEM segment and the opportunities we are pursuing at DDI. I want to express my thanks to the Fuel Tech team for their continued efforts in support of our strategic goals, and I want to thank our shareholders for their continuing interest in and support of our company. I also want to let everyone know that we will be presenting at the upcoming Sidoti MicroCap Virtual Conference, which is being held on May 2122. I invite everyone to listen to our presentation. Speaker 200:12:46We will notify everyone of our specific presentation day and time via press release within these next couple of business days. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Ellen for her comments on our financial results. Ellen, please go ahead. Speaker 300:13:04Thank you, Vince, and good morning, everyone. For the quarter, consolidated revenues rose 29 to $6,400,000 from $5,000,000 in last year's first quarter, reflecting significant growth in our FUEL CHEM segment revenue, partially offset by a decrease in APT segment revenue compared to the prior year period. FUEL CHEM segment revenue increased by 92% to $5,100,000 from $2,600,000 in the prior year period and comprised nearly 80% of total revenues for the quarter. This was driven by customer accounts returning to service as a result of outage completions, increased dispatch and sustained contributions from the new coal fired account added in 2024. Conversely, APC segment revenue declined to $1,300,000 from $2,300,000 in last year's first quarter, primarily related to timing of project execution on existing contracts. Speaker 300:14:06Consolidated gross margin for the first quarter rose to 46 of revenues from 41% in last year's first quarter. This improvement reflected the higher proportion of FUEL CHEM segment revenue during the quarter, which returned to historical margins of 50% from 43% in Q1 of twenty twenty four, partially offset by a decline in APC margins to 33% of segment revenues from 38% in the prior year period. The decline in APC gross margin was driven by changes in product and project mix. As a reminder, the APC segment contains revenues from capital projects and ancillary revenues for items such as post contractual parts and services. Ancillary point in revenues maintain a higher margin profile and will offset fluctuating project revenue margins, which are recognized over time based on project completion. Speaker 300:15:04The duration of APC project completion typically ranges from eight to twenty four months with engineering and production costs dependent on design approval and delivery schedules, which directly impact timing of revenue recognition. As expected, APC backlog improved significantly in early twenty twenty five due to success of business development activities. Consolidated APC segment backlog on 03/31/2025 was $10,300,000 up from a backlog of $6,200,000 at 12/31/2024. Backlog at 03/31/2025 included $3,600,000 of domestically delivered project backlog and $6,700,000 of foreign delivered project backlog compared to 1,900,000 of domestic delivered project backlog and $4,300,000 of foreign delivered project backlog at December 31. We expect that approximately $6,900,000 of current consolidated backlog will be recognized in the next twelve months. Speaker 300:16:10SG and A expenses were flat at $3,300,000 for the first quarters of twenty twenty five and twenty twenty four. As a percentage of revenue, SG and A expenses declined to 52% in Q1 of twenty twenty five from 67% in Q1 of twenty twenty four, reflecting the increase in revenue. For 2025, we expect SG and A expenses to increase modestly from prior year. Research and development expenses for the first quarter increased to $570,000 from $376,000 in last year's first quarter due in large part to our continuing investment in water and wastewater treatment technologies, specifically our DGI systems. Our investment in DGI will continue throughout 2025 along with expenditures to support our growth initiatives. Speaker 300:17:02Our operating loss was $952,000 compared to an operating loss of $1,700,000 last year's first quarter, reflecting the increase in consolidated revenue profit. We continue to take advantage of the favorable interest rate environment and as of 03/31/2025 had invested a large portion of our $30,000,000 in held to maturity debt securities and money market funds. This generated $279,000 of interest income in Q1 of twenty twenty five. Our net loss for the quarter was $739,000 or $02 per share compared to net income of $281,000 or $01 per share in the same period one year ago. The difference in net income from prior year was mainly due to a one time other income amount of $1,700,000 in last year's first quarter associated with the receipt of the ERC, the employee retention credit under the CARES Act. Speaker 300:18:06Excluding this one time other item, net loss for Q1 twenty twenty four was $1,400,000 or $05 per share. Adjusted EBITDA loss narrowed to $735,000 compared to an adjusted EBITDA loss of $1,500,000 in the same period a year ago. Lastly, moving to the balance sheet. Our financial condition remains very strong. As of 03/31/2025, we had cash and cash equivalents of 11,800,000 and short and long term investments of $19,300,000 for a total of $31,200,000 Shares outstanding at quarter end were approximately $30,800,000 equating to cash per share of $1.1 Working capital was $24,900,000 or $0.81 per share. Speaker 300:18:57Stockholders' equity was $41,400,000 or $1.35 per share and the company continues to have no outstanding debt. We remain greatly confident in our ability to maintain a strong financial position and to fund our short and long term growth initiatives. I'll now turn the call back over to Vince. Speaker 200:19:18Thanks very much, Ellen. Operator, let's please go ahead and open up the line for some questions. Operator00:19:24Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Amit Dayal with H. C. Wainwright. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:19:50Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Speaker 200:19:52Good morning, Amit. Speaker 400:19:54Yes, looks like the business overall is in a pretty strong position relative to last year. Any color on how to think about the current political environment? And it doesn't look like it's slowing down things for you too much. Just any update on how you are positioned to deal with some of these uncertainties in the market right now with respect to all sorts of these regulations that are potentially being implemented? Speaker 200:20:27Yes. At this point in time, Amit, I think I would say we're not completely sheltered, obviously, with from what's going on in the marketplace today in general. But I will say that what's happening with the new administration at this point in time is not deterring us from capturing opportunities that we would normally look to capture historically, right? We did not have any preconceived ideas that there were going to be new regulation put in place environmentally that would give us a boost. That would have been our expectation perhaps last year. Speaker 200:21:08That's not the case today. But the just general business expansion and some of the needs that are driving the growth of power generation, they are definitely market drivers for our businesses. So from that perspective, we find ourselves in a pretty good position as we hear today. Now one more comment I'll make is that, we have been seeing over these past two to three years, because of the requirement for increased power generation, we've seen some extension of life of coal fired units. And that could continue to bode well for us, because I think it's we're going to see more extensions of life of coal fired units, given just the general demand of very reliable power that we have in this country and other parts of the world. Speaker 200:22:02So on an overall basis, there are probably some puts and takes, but, I'm pleased with where we sit today, and I'm not seeing any decrement in business activity with some of the uncertainties in the marketplace, at least as of today. Speaker 400:22:17Understood. Thank you for that. And then with respect to the data center opportunity, any names you can share who you may be partnering with to make inroads with this developing market? The reason I'm asking is if there are names that the Street is sort of aware Speaker 500:22:38of that are already active, Speaker 400:22:40just trying to get a sense of if you get designed into any of these deployments, and does that help you scale the opportunity faster? Speaker 200:22:51Yes. So to your first question, I really can't name a specific name, but what I'll tell you is that we're working with OEM suppliers of gas turbines and engines. We're also working in support of data centers that are being built out by some of the largest tech companies of the marketplace. So without saying specific names, we are working with that group of entities, if you will. And then secondarily, what we have been doing is, as we've been watching this evolve, is looking to come up with specific designs for specific power generating turbines or engines that we would indeed look to scale, because in most cases, the sites that we're looking at are going to be multiples of units and not just one off units for a gas turbine or engine. Speaker 200:23:53It may be five, it may be 10, it may be 20, it may be more. And so to the extent that we can get close to finalizing those designs and be ready to go once we have the opportunity coming our way, that just bodes well for Fuel Tech and enables us to work in a proactive way with our supply chain as well. Speaker 500:24:15Understood. Speaker 400:24:17How big is that pipeline, Vince? Any color on is it still early to maybe give any numbers, but just curious how big that opportunity is for you right now? Speaker 200:24:31Yes. The numbers can get pretty large, Amit. I mean, if you're talking a multiple of 20 units and if you're, call it, the one unit cost can be in the 1,000,000 to $2,000,000 range, you can do the math from there. The opportunities can get to start to become pretty large in nature, which is why we are excited. And again, we're very, very hopeful that we'll see one or more of these contract awards. Speaker 200:24:58So hopefully, look to come our way as we move towards the remainder of 2025. There's a lot of activity and there's a lot of parties involved as well. So we're trying to well position ourselves with those folks that we think are going to be solid, reliable players in those markets. Speaker 400:25:19Understood. Just last one for me with respect to the Mexico opportunity. Is there any particular catalyst or some kind of funding that needs to become available for that opportunity to for you to potentially begin receiving orders, etcetera? Speaker 200:25:39Yes. The what really needs to happen, Amit, is the Mexican government needs to allow funds to be spent on systems like ours to go ahead and start remediation of some of their pollution issues. It's become really serious around some of their major cities. You see it in the news quite often down there. And we're just hoping at some point in time. Speaker 200:26:03And again, given the platform that was run on by the President, we are hoping that their environmental needs will become a little more top of mind not too far into the future here. Speaker 400:26:15Understood. Thank you, Vince. That's all I had. Speaker 200:26:17You're welcome. Thank you. Operator00:26:22Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Silk with Silk Investment Advisors. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:26:35Hey, Vince. Thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 200:26:38My pleasure, Mark. How are you? Speaker 600:26:40I'm doing well. Thanks. Speaker 400:26:42Good. Speaker 600:26:42So, the data center opportunity, obviously, with this administration, there's no urgency for them to do things environmentally friendly. But the conversations you have, are they thinking beyond this administration and that's kind of why you feel this is an opportunity? Speaker 200:27:01Yes. So what we're seeing with some of the data center opportunities that we are looking to address is, in some cases, the power generation is primary power. In some cases, it's backup power. If it's primary power, it's an undercurrent environmental regulations, those units are going to require pollution control technology as baseloaded generation. If it's backup power, it gets to be a little bit more specific in nature in terms of the expectation for how long or how many hours a year those backup units will be asked to run. Speaker 200:27:42So in some cases, backup power may not require pollution control technologies. In other cases, it will. So again, as I said as part of my script, the opportunities that we're looking at today aren't necessarily driven by any new regulation, but it's also making the assumption that what's in place today, as EPA regulation does stay in place and it's not going to be removed completely. Speaker 600:28:11Okay. And then switching gears to the DGI. So you're hiring other entities to help you sell this. Can you kind of give us a little color on that and what they've kind of laid out for you as far as their potential and promises? Speaker 200:28:27Yes. So it was always our expectation, when we look to address additional market channels for DTI that we would need some expertise, in order to obtain access to those channels. And as Fuel Tech, historically, we have worked with manufacturing representatives for our both for our APC business and for our FUEL CHEM business as well. So for water, we are actually doing the same thing. We needed to come to a point whereby we were able to speak with confidence with some of these companies. Speaker 200:28:59So they felt as though they were representing a technology and investing their time and effort in looking to put a good technology into end markets. So it's taken us a while to get to that point. But as I mentioned in my script, we signed up two already. That just happened recently. And they're for different end markets and or geographies. Speaker 200:29:20But we'd probably look to put in place ultimately several more as well, again, to help us get product into end markets. Speaker 600:29:31And then last question. You recently went to a show for the DGI. Can you give us any kind of color on what people are what they're saying about your product that's in potential for growth in that area? Speaker 200:29:47Yes. So we went to the Aquaculture America show. It was extremely that DGI was extremely well received. We obtained multiple leads for opportunities in again, in the aquaculture marketplace. And there's one specific lead that we issued a proposal for here within this past one point weeks. Speaker 200:30:09So I it was the technology was well received. We were perceived as being, innovative for that particular end marketplace, and we need to find those folks that are willing to take a chance at working with a new innovation for meeting that market applications need for oxygenation. But it was the DGI was very well received. Speaker 600:30:36Great. Good start to the New Year and continued success. Speaker 200:30:40Thank you very much, Mark. Appreciate it. Operator00:30:44Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of William Bremer with Vanquish Capital Partners. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:30:51Good morning, Vince. Speaker 200:30:53Hey, good morning, Bill. How are you? Speaker 500:30:55Good, good. Thank you. Outside of coal, can you give us an update on your exposure to possibly nat gas developments? Speaker 200:31:08From what perspective when you say, nat gas developments? Speaker 500:31:14Given the build out and the supply of gas for electrical generation needs via data centers, etcetera, outside of the data center market and the facilities, where do we have content? Speaker 200:31:30Yes. Today, we would find opportunities for natural gas based systems with manufacturing expansion, projects that we've been doing with certain end markets and industries that end up using natural gas as their choice of fuel. But that would be the primary other avenue that we'd be focusing on for utilization of natural gas. Speaker 500:31:59Right. No, I knew we had exposure there. I just Speaker 200:32:02thank you for the And we do have just one more comment to make. We do have some exposure for natural gas applications, for utility units as well, not necessarily for this country, but for other countries as well as it relates to some of our technologies. Speaker 500:32:20Right. Right. Thank you for the refresher on that. Speaker 200:32:23You're welcome. Speaker 500:32:24Given the data center opportunities, and I know this is a difficult question to answer, but can you provide a range that if we're successful, what's the low end? What's the I mean, we're talking multiple millions here per data center content. Isn't that correct? Speaker 200:32:45That is correct. As I just mentioned in regarding one of the other questions, we're looking at on a per unit basis, it could be $1,000,000 to $2,000,000 per unit. And again, we're talking multiples of units at a site. So yes, the numbers get they get very large. Speaker 500:33:06Okay. And the fact that your fab lifts, I'm assuming that's an advantage to you in terms of the production and the timing to get the systems there. I'm hoping that you're making that known to your potential entities when you're bidding for these. Speaker 200:33:26Yes. As part of our discussions with the companies that we're working with, heavy, heavy, heavy focus on how we manage supply chain as part of the execution process, how we manage the risk for some of the, call it, other market forces that are in place today, whether it be tariff oriented or otherwise, How do we control those risks as we look to work through a project execution cycle, particularly something that could be of a larger magnitude. So those are discussions that we are having and we're prepared to have with others. Speaker 500:34:04Okay. Now on to DGI. Looking forward to some consummation here for sure, and this is just a comment. I would welcome hearing Bill, Bill Decker, who's heading this program alongside yourself, maybe on a future call, just to give us more of a granular update on what he's seeing and the technology. I think it would be a beneficial sharing of information to all the shareholders. Speaker 200:34:38Okay. Point noted, Bill. Thank you very much. Speaker 500:34:41And finally, we're trading below cash per share. At what point, given your visibility and confidence, do you realize and the Board seems to feel that a stock buyback at this level is probably the best return of capital for the shareholders as well as the company? Speaker 200:35:09We actually just recently had a discussion at our most recent Board meeting here earlier this month. It's something that we talk about on a recurring basis. As we sit here today, Bill, we believe we have enough potential positive momentum to be a driver for the stock price that, that would be the better outcome than using our precious cash balance at this point in time to enable the same thing. That's our thought process today, not necessarily saying that it would stay that way in the future, but that is our thought process today. Speaker 500:35:47Okay. Thank you very much. Speaker 200:35:49Thank you, Bill. Operator00:35:52Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the floor back to Mr. Arnone for any final comments. Speaker 200:36:00Thank you, operator. Thanks for everyone for joining today. Thanks for your patience with my speaking voice. I have a little bit of a cold this morning. If you have the opportunity to listen into the Sidoti MicroCap Virtual Conference, please join us for my presentation. Speaker 200:36:18You're welcome. And then I just want to thank, again, the Fuel Tech team for all of their support and all the hard work they do day in, day out in support of our company. And again, thanks to our shareholder base as well. We're doing everything that we can to look to deliver favorable shareholder value. Thanks, everyone, and have a good day. Operator00:36:39Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. 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The Air Pollution Control Technology segment offers technologies to reduce nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions in flue gas from boilers, incinerators, furnaces, and other stationary combustion sources; NOxOUT and HERT selective non-catalytic reduction systems; selective catalytic reduction systems comprising ammonia injection grid, and graduated straightening grid systems; I-NOx systems; ESP Processes and Services; ULTRA technology; and flue gas conditioning systems. The FUEL CHEM Technology segment provides programs to improve the efficiency, reliability, fuel flexibility, boiler heat rate, and environmental status of combustion units by controlling slagging, fouling, corrosion, opacity, and acid plume, as well as the formation of sulfur trioxide, ammonium bisulfate, particulate matter, sulfur dioxide, and carbon dioxide through the addition of chemicals into the furnace using TIFI targeted in-furnace injection technology. This segment offers its FUEL CHEM program for plants operating in the electric utility, industrial, pulp and paper, waste-to-energy, and university and district heating markets; and the owners of boilers, furnaces, and other combustion units. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Greetings, and welcome to the Fuel Tech twenty twenty five First Quarter Financial Results Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Devin Sullivan, Managing Director of The Equity Group. Operator00:00:28Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:30Thank you, Melissa, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for Fuel Tech's twenty twenty five first quarter financial results conference call. Yesterday, after the close, we issued a press release, a copy of which is available at the company's website, www.ftek.com. Our speakers for today will be Vince Arnone, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer and Ellen Albrecht, the company's Chief Financial Officer. After prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions from our analysts and investors. Before turning things over to Vince, I'd like to remind everyone that matters discussed on this call except for historical information are forward looking statements as defined in Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended, which are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and reflect Fuel Tech's current expectations regarding future growth, results of operations, cash flows, performance and business prospects and opportunities as well as assumptions made by and information currently available to our company's management. Speaker 100:01:33Fuel Tech has tried to identify forward looking statements by using words such as anticipate, believe, plan, expect, estimate, intend, will and similar expressions, but those words are not the exclusive means of identifying forward looking statements. These statements are based on information currently available to Fuel Tech and are subject to various risks, uncertainties and other factors, including, but not limited to, those discussed in Fuel Tech's annual report on Form 10 ks and Item 1A under the caption of Risk Factors and subsequent filings under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended, which could cause Fuel Tech's actual growth, results of operations, financial condition, cash flows, performance, business prospects and opportunities to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by these statements. Fuel Tech undertakes no obligation to update such factors or to publicly announce the results of any forward looking statements contained herein to reflect future events, developments or changed circumstances or for any other reason. Investors are cautioned that all forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, including those detailed in the company's filings with the SEC. So with that said, I'd now like to turn the call over to Vince Arnone, CEO of Fuel Tech. Speaker 100:02:45Vince, please go ahead. Speaker 200:02:48Thank you, Devin. Good morning, and I'd like to thank everyone for joining us on the call today. On our March conference call, we expressed encouragement with our near term outlook for business development opportunities. I'm pleased to report that our first quarter contract booking activity met our expectations with $5,600,000 in bookings announced to date, and we had the best first quarter performance for our FUEL CHEM business segment in more than ten years. We believe that 2025 will be a year of growth for our company. Speaker 200:03:26Revenues for the first quarter of twenty twenty five rose 29% from the prior year period, primarily driven by the aforementioned robust performance from our FUEL CHEM business segment. For the quarter versus prior year, we expanded our gross margins, narrowed our operating loss and significantly increased our APC project backlog to the highest level in three years. Further, we maintained a strong financial position with cash, cash equivalents and investments of approximately $31,000,000 at quarter end and no long term debt. On an overall basis, we are encouraged by the global landscape of business development activities that we are seeing, driven by continued expansion in manufacturing in many sectors and by the growing demand for power generation as a whole, which is being driven by several reasons, most notably the advancement of artificial intelligence. Fuel Tech's portfolio of emissions control solutions has proven to be an integral part of infrastructure build outs in The U. Speaker 200:04:34S. And around the world. Regardless of fuel source, our technologies are used to reduce harmful gases, including nitrogen oxides and sulfur trioxides as well as particulate emissions from combustion sources, while enhancing operating efficiencies and allowing industrial and utility customers to remain compliant with state, federal and country specific regulations. Investment in water quality and water infrastructure is also growing, and we believe that our dissolved gas infusion technology offers a compelling solution for municipal and industrial end markets. We have a product demonstration that will commence later this month and are in discussions with customers representing multiple end markets that can benefit from our water technology. Speaker 200:05:26Now let's talk about our results for the quarter. Our FUEL CHEM business segment began 2025 with the best first quarter performance that we have seen in ten years, with revenues rising 92% compared to last year's first quarter. This was the result of the return to full operation of our base accounts and the incremental contribution from the new commercial account that we added in the second quarter of twenty twenty four. We continue to pursue additional FUEL CHEM opportunities, both domestically and internationally, and we currently expect that a new demonstration of our TIFI targeted in furnace injection technology is likely to commence late in the third quarter of this year at a coal fired unit in the Midwest. With respect to international FUEL CHEM opportunities, we remain in discussions with our partner in Mexico to expand the provision of our chemical technology in that country. Speaker 200:06:24Based on conversations with our partners in Mexico, it is still our understanding that the newly elected government is targeting the implementation of environmental policy aimed at the reduction of pollutants that cause climate change. As Mexico is planning to use the heavy fuel oil generated from their oil refining operations as fuel for power generation for the near term future, we are hopeful that our FUEL CHEM program will be an integral part of President Chain Baum's plan. Now let's turn to our APC business segment. APC revenues declined from last year's first quarter due primarily to the timing of project execution. However, we have been encouraged by the cadence of new contract awards and are currently addressing the best portfolio of APC business opportunities that we have seen in several years, both domestically and internationally. Speaker 200:07:21We generated $5,600,000 in APC orders during the first quarter, which drove a 66% increase in our backlog at 03/31/2025 from 12/31/2024. We are continuing to pursue additional new awards driven by industrial expansion globally and by state specific regulatory requirements in The U. S, and we are also following incremental opportunities for the municipal solid waste or MSW market that have a good probability of coming our way later this year. As of today, we currently expect to close an additional 3,000,000 to $5,000,000 in new contract awards by the end of the current second quarter. As mentioned previously, the artificial intelligence boom has generated increasing demand for data centers. Speaker 200:08:15This growth will require a significant increase in energy over the next several years. To address the necessary emissions control requirements of these facilities, we are utilizing our SCR and ULTRA technologies to participate in larger domestic contract opportunities. We are working with multiple parties involved in the development of data centers and have submitted budgetary bids in pursuit of opportunities in this market. Regarding the regulatory front. As we mentioned on our conference call in March, we are not expecting any specific tailwinds that would come from the implementation of new regulation as the new administration is not likely to implement regulations that we're working through the process of approval and finalization when the new term commenced. Speaker 200:09:05It is important to note that the opportunities that we are following today are not contingent on the implementation of any new regulations. We are continuing to monitor progress of the EPA's rule for the large municipal waste combustor units, which is independent of the Good Neighbor Rule. This rule reduces the nitrogen oxide emissions requirements for large MWC units. Fuel Tech has had a long history of assisting this industry in meeting its compliance requirements, and we've had discussions with customers in this segment to support their compliance planning. The final rule has been delayed by EPA until December of twenty twenty five, with compliance deadlines expected three years from the date of issue. Speaker 200:09:51That being said, there are some specific states that are currently requiring lower NOx emissions that are consistent with the proposed MWC rule, and we are actively pursuing those opportunities today. For DGI, we have deployed our equipment to the site of a fish hatchery in the Western U. S. And our demonstration, which is expected to last nine to twelve months, will commence before the end of this month. This demonstration will have defined test protocols to evaluate the benefits of the DGI technology, resulting from the supply of consistent and precise levels of dissolved oxygen and the raising of game fish in a controlled environment. Speaker 200:10:35In addition to this demonstration, discussions are progressing with the municipal wastewater treatment facility in the Southeastern United States, and we are pursuing other end markets of interest for DGI, including pulp and paper, food and beverage, chemical and petrochemical and horticulture. We continue to receive inquiries regarding DGI from potential customers in multiple end markets and are hopeful that we can generate our first commercial revenues in 2025. Additionally, we have recently executed sales representative agreements with two companies that will focus their efforts on helping us to bring DGI into end markets, and we expect to add additional representatives imminently. Based on our effective backlog, recent contract awards, the APC business development activities that we are pursuing and our previously noted expectations for FUEL CHEM, we are maintaining our revenue guidance for 2025. We continue to expect that total revenues for 2025 will approximate $30,000,000 with both business segments exceeding their performance in 2024. Speaker 200:11:47This base case outlook excludes any material revenue contributions from DGI, any significant contributions to APC from new regulations or from large data center contract awards and any impact from new material business development activities for FUEL CHEM. In closing, we are very encouraged by the recent developments at APC, the continued growth potential from our FUEL CHEM segment and the opportunities we are pursuing at DDI. I want to express my thanks to the Fuel Tech team for their continued efforts in support of our strategic goals, and I want to thank our shareholders for their continuing interest in and support of our company. I also want to let everyone know that we will be presenting at the upcoming Sidoti MicroCap Virtual Conference, which is being held on May 2122. I invite everyone to listen to our presentation. Speaker 200:12:46We will notify everyone of our specific presentation day and time via press release within these next couple of business days. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Ellen for her comments on our financial results. Ellen, please go ahead. Speaker 300:13:04Thank you, Vince, and good morning, everyone. For the quarter, consolidated revenues rose 29 to $6,400,000 from $5,000,000 in last year's first quarter, reflecting significant growth in our FUEL CHEM segment revenue, partially offset by a decrease in APT segment revenue compared to the prior year period. FUEL CHEM segment revenue increased by 92% to $5,100,000 from $2,600,000 in the prior year period and comprised nearly 80% of total revenues for the quarter. This was driven by customer accounts returning to service as a result of outage completions, increased dispatch and sustained contributions from the new coal fired account added in 2024. Conversely, APC segment revenue declined to $1,300,000 from $2,300,000 in last year's first quarter, primarily related to timing of project execution on existing contracts. Speaker 300:14:06Consolidated gross margin for the first quarter rose to 46 of revenues from 41% in last year's first quarter. This improvement reflected the higher proportion of FUEL CHEM segment revenue during the quarter, which returned to historical margins of 50% from 43% in Q1 of twenty twenty four, partially offset by a decline in APC margins to 33% of segment revenues from 38% in the prior year period. The decline in APC gross margin was driven by changes in product and project mix. As a reminder, the APC segment contains revenues from capital projects and ancillary revenues for items such as post contractual parts and services. Ancillary point in revenues maintain a higher margin profile and will offset fluctuating project revenue margins, which are recognized over time based on project completion. Speaker 300:15:04The duration of APC project completion typically ranges from eight to twenty four months with engineering and production costs dependent on design approval and delivery schedules, which directly impact timing of revenue recognition. As expected, APC backlog improved significantly in early twenty twenty five due to success of business development activities. Consolidated APC segment backlog on 03/31/2025 was $10,300,000 up from a backlog of $6,200,000 at 12/31/2024. Backlog at 03/31/2025 included $3,600,000 of domestically delivered project backlog and $6,700,000 of foreign delivered project backlog compared to 1,900,000 of domestic delivered project backlog and $4,300,000 of foreign delivered project backlog at December 31. We expect that approximately $6,900,000 of current consolidated backlog will be recognized in the next twelve months. Speaker 300:16:10SG and A expenses were flat at $3,300,000 for the first quarters of twenty twenty five and twenty twenty four. As a percentage of revenue, SG and A expenses declined to 52% in Q1 of twenty twenty five from 67% in Q1 of twenty twenty four, reflecting the increase in revenue. For 2025, we expect SG and A expenses to increase modestly from prior year. Research and development expenses for the first quarter increased to $570,000 from $376,000 in last year's first quarter due in large part to our continuing investment in water and wastewater treatment technologies, specifically our DGI systems. Our investment in DGI will continue throughout 2025 along with expenditures to support our growth initiatives. Speaker 300:17:02Our operating loss was $952,000 compared to an operating loss of $1,700,000 last year's first quarter, reflecting the increase in consolidated revenue profit. We continue to take advantage of the favorable interest rate environment and as of 03/31/2025 had invested a large portion of our $30,000,000 in held to maturity debt securities and money market funds. This generated $279,000 of interest income in Q1 of twenty twenty five. Our net loss for the quarter was $739,000 or $02 per share compared to net income of $281,000 or $01 per share in the same period one year ago. The difference in net income from prior year was mainly due to a one time other income amount of $1,700,000 in last year's first quarter associated with the receipt of the ERC, the employee retention credit under the CARES Act. Speaker 300:18:06Excluding this one time other item, net loss for Q1 twenty twenty four was $1,400,000 or $05 per share. Adjusted EBITDA loss narrowed to $735,000 compared to an adjusted EBITDA loss of $1,500,000 in the same period a year ago. Lastly, moving to the balance sheet. Our financial condition remains very strong. As of 03/31/2025, we had cash and cash equivalents of 11,800,000 and short and long term investments of $19,300,000 for a total of $31,200,000 Shares outstanding at quarter end were approximately $30,800,000 equating to cash per share of $1.1 Working capital was $24,900,000 or $0.81 per share. Speaker 300:18:57Stockholders' equity was $41,400,000 or $1.35 per share and the company continues to have no outstanding debt. We remain greatly confident in our ability to maintain a strong financial position and to fund our short and long term growth initiatives. I'll now turn the call back over to Vince. Speaker 200:19:18Thanks very much, Ellen. Operator, let's please go ahead and open up the line for some questions. Operator00:19:24Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Amit Dayal with H. C. Wainwright. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:19:50Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Speaker 200:19:52Good morning, Amit. Speaker 400:19:54Yes, looks like the business overall is in a pretty strong position relative to last year. Any color on how to think about the current political environment? And it doesn't look like it's slowing down things for you too much. Just any update on how you are positioned to deal with some of these uncertainties in the market right now with respect to all sorts of these regulations that are potentially being implemented? Speaker 200:20:27Yes. At this point in time, Amit, I think I would say we're not completely sheltered, obviously, with from what's going on in the marketplace today in general. But I will say that what's happening with the new administration at this point in time is not deterring us from capturing opportunities that we would normally look to capture historically, right? We did not have any preconceived ideas that there were going to be new regulation put in place environmentally that would give us a boost. That would have been our expectation perhaps last year. Speaker 200:21:08That's not the case today. But the just general business expansion and some of the needs that are driving the growth of power generation, they are definitely market drivers for our businesses. So from that perspective, we find ourselves in a pretty good position as we hear today. Now one more comment I'll make is that, we have been seeing over these past two to three years, because of the requirement for increased power generation, we've seen some extension of life of coal fired units. And that could continue to bode well for us, because I think it's we're going to see more extensions of life of coal fired units, given just the general demand of very reliable power that we have in this country and other parts of the world. Speaker 200:22:02So on an overall basis, there are probably some puts and takes, but, I'm pleased with where we sit today, and I'm not seeing any decrement in business activity with some of the uncertainties in the marketplace, at least as of today. Speaker 400:22:17Understood. Thank you for that. And then with respect to the data center opportunity, any names you can share who you may be partnering with to make inroads with this developing market? The reason I'm asking is if there are names that the Street is sort of aware Speaker 500:22:38of that are already active, Speaker 400:22:40just trying to get a sense of if you get designed into any of these deployments, and does that help you scale the opportunity faster? Speaker 200:22:51Yes. So to your first question, I really can't name a specific name, but what I'll tell you is that we're working with OEM suppliers of gas turbines and engines. We're also working in support of data centers that are being built out by some of the largest tech companies of the marketplace. So without saying specific names, we are working with that group of entities, if you will. And then secondarily, what we have been doing is, as we've been watching this evolve, is looking to come up with specific designs for specific power generating turbines or engines that we would indeed look to scale, because in most cases, the sites that we're looking at are going to be multiples of units and not just one off units for a gas turbine or engine. Speaker 200:23:53It may be five, it may be 10, it may be 20, it may be more. And so to the extent that we can get close to finalizing those designs and be ready to go once we have the opportunity coming our way, that just bodes well for Fuel Tech and enables us to work in a proactive way with our supply chain as well. Speaker 500:24:15Understood. Speaker 400:24:17How big is that pipeline, Vince? Any color on is it still early to maybe give any numbers, but just curious how big that opportunity is for you right now? Speaker 200:24:31Yes. The numbers can get pretty large, Amit. I mean, if you're talking a multiple of 20 units and if you're, call it, the one unit cost can be in the 1,000,000 to $2,000,000 range, you can do the math from there. The opportunities can get to start to become pretty large in nature, which is why we are excited. And again, we're very, very hopeful that we'll see one or more of these contract awards. Speaker 200:24:58So hopefully, look to come our way as we move towards the remainder of 2025. There's a lot of activity and there's a lot of parties involved as well. So we're trying to well position ourselves with those folks that we think are going to be solid, reliable players in those markets. Speaker 400:25:19Understood. Just last one for me with respect to the Mexico opportunity. Is there any particular catalyst or some kind of funding that needs to become available for that opportunity to for you to potentially begin receiving orders, etcetera? Speaker 200:25:39Yes. The what really needs to happen, Amit, is the Mexican government needs to allow funds to be spent on systems like ours to go ahead and start remediation of some of their pollution issues. It's become really serious around some of their major cities. You see it in the news quite often down there. And we're just hoping at some point in time. Speaker 200:26:03And again, given the platform that was run on by the President, we are hoping that their environmental needs will become a little more top of mind not too far into the future here. Speaker 400:26:15Understood. Thank you, Vince. That's all I had. Speaker 200:26:17You're welcome. Thank you. Operator00:26:22Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Silk with Silk Investment Advisors. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:26:35Hey, Vince. Thanks for taking my questions. Speaker 200:26:38My pleasure, Mark. How are you? Speaker 600:26:40I'm doing well. Thanks. Speaker 400:26:42Good. Speaker 600:26:42So, the data center opportunity, obviously, with this administration, there's no urgency for them to do things environmentally friendly. But the conversations you have, are they thinking beyond this administration and that's kind of why you feel this is an opportunity? Speaker 200:27:01Yes. So what we're seeing with some of the data center opportunities that we are looking to address is, in some cases, the power generation is primary power. In some cases, it's backup power. If it's primary power, it's an undercurrent environmental regulations, those units are going to require pollution control technology as baseloaded generation. If it's backup power, it gets to be a little bit more specific in nature in terms of the expectation for how long or how many hours a year those backup units will be asked to run. Speaker 200:27:42So in some cases, backup power may not require pollution control technologies. In other cases, it will. So again, as I said as part of my script, the opportunities that we're looking at today aren't necessarily driven by any new regulation, but it's also making the assumption that what's in place today, as EPA regulation does stay in place and it's not going to be removed completely. Speaker 600:28:11Okay. And then switching gears to the DGI. So you're hiring other entities to help you sell this. Can you kind of give us a little color on that and what they've kind of laid out for you as far as their potential and promises? Speaker 200:28:27Yes. So it was always our expectation, when we look to address additional market channels for DTI that we would need some expertise, in order to obtain access to those channels. And as Fuel Tech, historically, we have worked with manufacturing representatives for our both for our APC business and for our FUEL CHEM business as well. So for water, we are actually doing the same thing. We needed to come to a point whereby we were able to speak with confidence with some of these companies. Speaker 200:28:59So they felt as though they were representing a technology and investing their time and effort in looking to put a good technology into end markets. So it's taken us a while to get to that point. But as I mentioned in my script, we signed up two already. That just happened recently. And they're for different end markets and or geographies. Speaker 200:29:20But we'd probably look to put in place ultimately several more as well, again, to help us get product into end markets. Speaker 600:29:31And then last question. You recently went to a show for the DGI. Can you give us any kind of color on what people are what they're saying about your product that's in potential for growth in that area? Speaker 200:29:47Yes. So we went to the Aquaculture America show. It was extremely that DGI was extremely well received. We obtained multiple leads for opportunities in again, in the aquaculture marketplace. And there's one specific lead that we issued a proposal for here within this past one point weeks. Speaker 200:30:09So I it was the technology was well received. We were perceived as being, innovative for that particular end marketplace, and we need to find those folks that are willing to take a chance at working with a new innovation for meeting that market applications need for oxygenation. But it was the DGI was very well received. Speaker 600:30:36Great. Good start to the New Year and continued success. Speaker 200:30:40Thank you very much, Mark. Appreciate it. Operator00:30:44Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of William Bremer with Vanquish Capital Partners. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:30:51Good morning, Vince. Speaker 200:30:53Hey, good morning, Bill. How are you? Speaker 500:30:55Good, good. Thank you. Outside of coal, can you give us an update on your exposure to possibly nat gas developments? Speaker 200:31:08From what perspective when you say, nat gas developments? Speaker 500:31:14Given the build out and the supply of gas for electrical generation needs via data centers, etcetera, outside of the data center market and the facilities, where do we have content? Speaker 200:31:30Yes. Today, we would find opportunities for natural gas based systems with manufacturing expansion, projects that we've been doing with certain end markets and industries that end up using natural gas as their choice of fuel. But that would be the primary other avenue that we'd be focusing on for utilization of natural gas. Speaker 500:31:59Right. No, I knew we had exposure there. I just Speaker 200:32:02thank you for the And we do have just one more comment to make. We do have some exposure for natural gas applications, for utility units as well, not necessarily for this country, but for other countries as well as it relates to some of our technologies. Speaker 500:32:20Right. Right. Thank you for the refresher on that. Speaker 200:32:23You're welcome. Speaker 500:32:24Given the data center opportunities, and I know this is a difficult question to answer, but can you provide a range that if we're successful, what's the low end? What's the I mean, we're talking multiple millions here per data center content. Isn't that correct? Speaker 200:32:45That is correct. As I just mentioned in regarding one of the other questions, we're looking at on a per unit basis, it could be $1,000,000 to $2,000,000 per unit. And again, we're talking multiples of units at a site. So yes, the numbers get they get very large. Speaker 500:33:06Okay. And the fact that your fab lifts, I'm assuming that's an advantage to you in terms of the production and the timing to get the systems there. I'm hoping that you're making that known to your potential entities when you're bidding for these. Speaker 200:33:26Yes. As part of our discussions with the companies that we're working with, heavy, heavy, heavy focus on how we manage supply chain as part of the execution process, how we manage the risk for some of the, call it, other market forces that are in place today, whether it be tariff oriented or otherwise, How do we control those risks as we look to work through a project execution cycle, particularly something that could be of a larger magnitude. So those are discussions that we are having and we're prepared to have with others. Speaker 500:34:04Okay. Now on to DGI. Looking forward to some consummation here for sure, and this is just a comment. I would welcome hearing Bill, Bill Decker, who's heading this program alongside yourself, maybe on a future call, just to give us more of a granular update on what he's seeing and the technology. I think it would be a beneficial sharing of information to all the shareholders. Speaker 200:34:38Okay. Point noted, Bill. Thank you very much. Speaker 500:34:41And finally, we're trading below cash per share. At what point, given your visibility and confidence, do you realize and the Board seems to feel that a stock buyback at this level is probably the best return of capital for the shareholders as well as the company? Speaker 200:35:09We actually just recently had a discussion at our most recent Board meeting here earlier this month. It's something that we talk about on a recurring basis. As we sit here today, Bill, we believe we have enough potential positive momentum to be a driver for the stock price that, that would be the better outcome than using our precious cash balance at this point in time to enable the same thing. That's our thought process today, not necessarily saying that it would stay that way in the future, but that is our thought process today. Speaker 500:35:47Okay. Thank you very much. Speaker 200:35:49Thank you, Bill. Operator00:35:52Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the floor back to Mr. Arnone for any final comments. Speaker 200:36:00Thank you, operator. Thanks for everyone for joining today. Thanks for your patience with my speaking voice. I have a little bit of a cold this morning. If you have the opportunity to listen into the Sidoti MicroCap Virtual Conference, please join us for my presentation. Speaker 200:36:18You're welcome. And then I just want to thank, again, the Fuel Tech team for all of their support and all the hard work they do day in, day out in support of our company. And again, thanks to our shareholder base as well. We're doing everything that we can to look to deliver favorable shareholder value. Thanks, everyone, and have a good day. Operator00:36:39Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.Read morePowered by