Camden Property Trust Q1 2025 Earnings Report

Camden Property Trust EPS Results

• Actual EPS: $1.72
• Consensus EPS: $1.68
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$0.04
• One Year Ago EPS: $1.70

Camden Property Trust Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: $390.57 million
• Expected Revenue: $388.47 million
• Beat/Miss: Beat by +$2.10 million
• YoY Revenue Growth: +2.00%

Camden Property Trust Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q1 2025
• Date: 5/1/2025
• Time: After Market Closes
• Conference Call Date: Friday, May 2, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 11:00AM ET

Camden Property Trust (NYSE:CPT), an S&P 500 Company, is a real estate company primarily engaged in the ownership, management, development, redevelopment, acquisition, and construction of multifamily apartment communities. Camden owns and operates 172 properties containing 58,250 apartment homes across the United States. Upon completion of 5 properties currently under development, the Company's portfolio will increase to 59,996 apartment homes in 177 properties. Camden has been recognized as one of the 100 Best Companies to Work For by FORTUNE magazine for 17 consecutive years, most recently ranking #24.

Camden Property Trust Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Presentation

[Kim Callahan, SVP of IR at Camden Property Trust]

Good morning, and welcome to Camden Property Trust's first quarter twenty twenty five earnings conference call. I'm Kim Callahan, senior vice president of investor relations. Joining me today are Rick Campo, Camden's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Keith Odin, Executive Vice Chairman and Alex Jessett, President and Chief Financial Officer. Today's event is being webcast through the Investors section of our website at camdenliving.com and a replay will be available shortly after the call ends. And please note this event is being recorded.

[Kim Callahan, SVP of IR at Camden Property Trust]

Before we begin our prepared remarks, I would like to advise everyone that we will be making forward looking statements based on our current expectations and beliefs. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. Further information about these risks can be found in our filings with the SEC and we encourage you to review them. Any forward looking statements made on today's call represent management's current opinions and the company assumes no obligation to update or supplement these statements because of subsequent events. As a reminder, Camden's complete first quarter twenty twenty five earnings release is available in the Investors section of our website at camdenliving.com and it includes to non GAAP financial measures which will be discussed on this call.

[Kim Callahan, SVP of IR at Camden Property Trust]

We would like to respect everyone's time and complete our call within one hour. So please limit your initial question to one, then rejoin the queue if you have a follow-up question or additional items to discuss. If we are unable to speak with everyone in the queue today, we'd be happy to respond to additional questions by phone or email after the call concludes. At this time, I'll turn the call over to Rick Campo.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

Thanks, Kim. The on hold music for our call today featured the nineteen seventies rock band Bad Company. This week, Bad Company was finally admitted to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, filling one of the most glaring omissions from Rock Music's Hall of Fame. Also in April, Camden was once again named by Fortune Magazine as one of the 100 best companies to work for. This marks the eighteenth consecutive year Camden has achieved this honor.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

So this April was an excellent month for 100 great companies, but also an excellent month for one bad company. If Fortune Magazine ever decides to select a best company to work for our Hall of Fame, we suspect Camden would be a first ballot inductee. Thank you to our Camden team for your unwavering commitment to improving the lives of our teammates, our customers, and our shareholders one experience at a time. We had a great first quarter and exceeded our operating expectations, beating our guidance by $04 per share. Clearly, in the last month, the operating outlook has become more complicated, but the good news is clear.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

New supply has peaked in our markets and apartment absorption continues to be strong. In fact, new starts are at a thirteen year low and are down 80% in Austin and between 6580% in Houston, Denver, Charlotte, Raleigh, Atlanta, Nashville, and Washington DC. Rent affordability continues to be a tailwind with wage growth outpacing rent growth by over 300 basis points for the past twenty eight months. The premium to own versus rent continues to be at historically high levels, making apartment homes more affordable. Camden Sunbelt markets continue to dominate job growth, population growth, and growth in young adult households between 20 and 39 years old.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

Camden Sunbelt markets are 50% to 60% less expensive for residents than high cost coastal markets. Today's economic uncertainty is not new for us. We have positioned our company to do well on all market conditions with a strong balance sheet, a geographically diverse portfolio, and a great team. We are in the Sunbelt because that's where the growth is and the Sunbelt has historically weathered tougher economic conditions better and bounced back faster than other markets. People always need a place to live and our Camden Teams will welcome them home.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

Thank you, and Keith Oden is up next.

[Keith Oden, Executive Vice Chairman of the Board at Camden Property Trust]

Thanks Rick. Operating conditions across our portfolio are playing out as we expected. In our market outlook on last year's call, we projected our top five markets for revenue growth this year would be Tampa, LA Orange County, San Diego Inland Empire, Washington DC Metro, and Houston. Not surprisingly those were in fact the top five performers for the quarter with same property revenue growth ranging from 1.3% to 4.5% in those markets compared to our overall portfolio at 0.8%. Rental rates for the first quarter had effective new leases down 3.1% and renewals up 3.3% for a blended rate of negative 0.1%.

[Keith Oden, Executive Vice Chairman of the Board at Camden Property Trust]

This was in line with our expectations for the quarter and reflected a 100 basis point improvement from the negative 1.1% blended rate we reported in the fourth quarter of twenty four. Our preliminary April results are also on track and showing improvement versus the first quarter of twenty five. Occupancy for the first quarter showed slight improvement averaging 95.4% versus 95.3% in the fourth quarter of twenty four and we expect occupancy to remain relatively stable for the remainder of the year. Renewal offers from May, June and July were sent out with an average increase of 4.2%. Turnover rates across our portfolio remained very low and our first quarter twenty five annualized net turnover rate of 31% was one of the lowest in our company's history.

[Keith Oden, Executive Vice Chairman of the Board at Camden Property Trust]

We attribute this in part to continued low levels of move outs for home purchases which were 10.4% this quarter along with high resident retention driven by the hard work, dedication and commitment of our team members in delivering exceptional service and support to our customers as indicated by our customer sentiment score. Camden's customer sentiment score was 91.1 for the first quarter of twenty twenty five. This is the highest score we have ever received since we began measuring customer sentiment in 2014 and clearly demonstrates the appreciation and satisfaction our residents and customers feel for Camden. And as Rick mentioned earlier, we're proud to have been recognized for the eighteenth consecutive year as one of the hundred best companies to work for by Fortune Magazine, most recently ranking number 18. Thank you team Camden for your energy and commitment to maintaining a truly amazing work environment.

[Keith Oden, Executive Vice Chairman of the Board at Camden Property Trust]

We know that happy team members along with happy residents and customers ultimately lead to happy shareholders. I'll now turn the call over to Alex Jessett, Cabinet's President and Chief Financial Officer.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

Thanks, Keith. I'll begin today with an update on our recent real estate and capital markets activities, then move on to our first quarter results and our guidance for second quarter and full year 2025. We have been active this year on both the acquisition and development fronts, completing two acquisitions for a total of $199,000,000 and commencing construction on one new development community with a total estimated cost of $184,000,000 Our acquisitions to date included Camden Leander, a newly constructed three fifty two unit suburban Austin community in Camden West Nashville, a four thirty five unit community built in 2020. During the quarter, we also broke ground on Camden Nations, a three ninety three unit Nashville development community, which is expected to open for leasing in early twenty twenty eight. These transactions enhance our presence in two of the fastest growing high demand markets in the nation, and will ultimately serve to double our presence in a dynamic Nashville market.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

We continue to make progress leasing up our three development communities which completed construction during 2024. Camden Wood Mill Creek and Camden Longmeadow Farms, our single family rental communities located in Suburban Houston, along with Camden Durham, a traditional multifamily community located in the Raleigh Durham market of North Carolina. And we expect to achieve stabilization at each of these communities later this year. In addition, we've recently began lease up at Camden Village District, a three sixty nine unit new development in Raleigh, which is currently 14% leased and 8% occupied. At the midpoint of our guidance range, we are still anticipating $750,000,000 of both acquisitions and dispositions.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

While we did not complete any dispositions during the first quarter, we are actively marketing a few of our older, more capital intensive assets for sale, and anticipate some closings in either the second third quarters of twenty twenty five. Our original guidance for development starts in 2025 was $175,000,000 to $675,000,000 and to date we have started at $184,000,000 We will continue to monitor market conditions and may start additional projects later this year. Additionally, in the first quarter we entered into a $600,000,000 commercial paper program to supplement our existing line of credit. As our line of credit backstops this commercial paper program, we have not gained incremental borrowing capacity, but we have successfully added another financing vehicle, which often produces lower interest rates. Turning to financial results.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

Last night, we reported core funds from operations for the first quarter of $189,800,000 or $1.72 per share, dollars $0.04 ahead of the midpoint of our prior quarterly guidance. Dollars $0.02 of this outperformance came from higher revenues resulting from the combination of lower than expected bad debt, higher occupancy, and higher other income. Zero one of the outperformance came from favorable timings of repair and maintenance and property tax refunds, partially offset by slightly higher utility expenses. The remainder of our outperformance came from lower than anticipated interest expense, along with the timing of fee income and overhead expenses. While we are pleased with our strong first quarter outperformance, at this point we are not adjusting our full year same store guidance.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

However, we are increasing the midpoint of our full year core FFO guidance by $03 per share from $6.75 to $6.78 primarily resulting from lower projected interest expense incurred through our new commercial paper program. Under this program, are currently borrowing at rates approximately 50 basis points below those of our line of credit. We anticipate an average of $565,000,000 outstanding under the commercial paper program for the remainder of the year at an average rate of 4.2%. We also provided earnings guidance for the second quarter of twenty twenty five. We expect core FFO per share for the second quarter to be within the range of $1.67 to $1.71 representing a zero three dollars per share sequential decline at the midpoint, primarily resulting from an approximate $02 sequential decrease in same store NOI as higher expected revenues during our peak leasing periods are offset by the seasonality of certain repair and maintenance expenses and the timing of our annual merit increases, a $02 increase in interest expense due to higher borrowings, and a $01 increase in overhead costs due to the timing of various public company fees.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

This $05 per share sequential decrease in core FFO is partially offset by $02 of additional earnings from our new developments and completed and pro form a net acquisitions. Non core FFO adjustments for 2025 are still anticipated to be approximately $0.10 per share and are primarily legal expenses and expense transaction pursuit cost. At this time, we'll open the call up to questions.

[Operator]

Thank

[Operator]

you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question today comes from Eric Wolf with Citi. Please go ahead.

[Eric Wolfe, Director at Citi]

Hi, thanks. You mentioned that you're maintaining your same store guidance given the recent macro uncertainty. I'm just curious if there wasn't that uncertainty and you're more in like an environment like we were last year or maybe earlier this year when you gave guidance, would you have raised your same store revenue? Would you have lowered same store expense? Just trying to see like what how the environment is impacting your guidance specifically?

[Eric Wolfe, Director at Citi]

Thanks.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

Clearly, the environment has everyone's head spinning in America, maybe the world today. And I would say that definitely has, that the uncertainty is the, kind of the watchword today. And, if we had more certainty about what the summer was going to look like and what the end of the year was going to look like, we might have been more constructive on our guidance change. But that isn't where we are today. So we are, going to be, I think, like most other folks, in a wait and see mode.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

We we feel really good about where we are. We have seen really no cracks in the ice, if you want to call it that, for the business. Things are going along very well for our business. But on the other hand, when you have these wild gyrations in the market and uncertainty about jobs long term, you have to be a little cautious.

[Eric Wolfe, Director at Citi]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Jamie Feldman at Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

[Jamie Feldman, Analyst at Wells Fargo]

Great. Thank you. Can

[Jamie Feldman, Analyst at Wells Fargo]

you talk about which of

[Jamie Feldman, Analyst at Wells Fargo]

your Sunbelt markets you're seeing quicker stabilization of deliveries where new leases could turn positive as we enter peak leasing? And then in the opposite side, where do you think you'll see the biggest drag whether it's Austin, Nashville, Raleigh or some of the more pressured? But just trying to get an update on when things could turn positive across the more challenged markets.

[Jamie Feldman, Analyst at Wells Fargo]

Thank you.

[Keith Oden, Executive Vice Chairman of the Board at Camden Property Trust]

Yes. So Nashville and Austin clearly are going to continue to be challenged throughout 2025. The level of deliveries in both of those markets came down slightly this year, but not meaningful difference between 2024 and 2025 deliveries. The good news is they trail off pretty significantly towards the back half of 2025. So things should there's I think there's a good chance for improvement in those two markets.

[Keith Oden, Executive Vice Chairman of the Board at Camden Property Trust]

And again, that's measured by the trade out on new leases at some point in 2025, hopefully getting to closer to a positive number. So those two are clearly kind of in their own little category. The other markets that performed well for us in the first quarter are the markets that have had the better supply demand ratios both last year and into this year. And they're going to continue I think they'll continue to perform at the top of our portfolio and that would be DC Metro, Houston for sure, San Diego, Inland Empire and LA, Orange County both had really good quarters for the first quarter. I would expect that those will because they're responding to the better balance between supply and demand, I think they'll continue to lead the portfolio throughout 2025 and that's why those markets were all rated at the top of the pack in our annual scorecard that we provided in the first quarter.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

I would add that Tampa and Orlando, Tampa is definitely going to be one of the markets that turns in terms of positive same positive new lease rate growth for sure. The other thing I would just add to this is that while Nashville and Austin are definitely going to be slower out, we think they're going to be once they come out, they're going to be faster up. And that's why we bought a property in Austin and we bought a property in Nashville and we started development in Nashville. Those two markets, it's always interesting because they're definitely the whipping markets today for oversupply, but they're also the best growing markets we have in America from a job growth perspective and future prospects. So when they turn, they're going to turn hard, hard up and high to the right.

[Jamie Feldman, Analyst at Wells Fargo]

Okay. Thanks for that. And then I guess along the same lines, do you have a sense of what you're expecting for new and renewal leases in the second quarter given some of these are tightening up?

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

Yes. What I would tell you is that the blend for the second quarter for us should be sort of flat to positive 1%. So good increase from the first quarter and in line with the positive view of how we're looking at everything right now.

[Operator]

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Brad Heffern with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

[Brad Heffern, Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Yes. Thanks. Good morning. Can you give your perspective on DC and Doge? Are you seeing anything on the ground right now?

[Brad Heffern, Director at RBC Capital Markets]

And do you expect to at some point? And when might that be?

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

We are seeing absolutely zero anecdotal information about Doge and the negative effect that I think some people think it's going to have on the DC market. As a matter of fact, DC continues to be really good, high occupancy, very good new lease rate growth and renewal growth. The highest blended lease rates that we have in our system is in DC. And when you look at so it's sort of the I think it's the same kind of like the initial question I got about guidance, and that is that, you know, that people's heads are spinning. Right?

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

But because of all the rhetoric and all the, you know, the uncertainty out there, yet on the ground, people are signing new leases at incredibly high rates relative to what they were. And, and our occupancies are really high, and we haven't had people coming in saying, my god, I've lost my job in the federal government. You need to let me off my lease. We just haven't seen that. When you looked at if you look at the, employment data today, I thought it was really interesting.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

If you dig down into it, it was obviously a good print nationally. But when you look at the government side of the equation, I mean, the actual government, if you take the gross number, was up 10,000. Now federal government ex postal was down 9,000, but state and local governments were up more than the federal government was down. And so you had an actual increase in government employment in April. So I think what's happening out there when you think about a low unemployment rate, so we have a 4.2 unemployment rate.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

If you look at the unemployment rate, for people that are 25 or older with with, college educations, or higher, the unemployment rate is 3.2%. DC has the highest percentage of college graduates, and most of our residents are are, you know, high and or medium income, but they're definitely definitely college students or college graduates, a lot of them. And so you have this situation where where even with the noise from 9,000 government federal government job losses, you still have so much tightness in the labor market relative to the people that are that are in our customer base that we just haven't seen a major impact. And unless you, you know, you multiply those government job losses by five or 10, then maybe you start having 10 times, then maybe you start having some issues. But but, a lot of the folks that are losing their jobs are people that own homes and aren't living in apartments.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

The other part of the equation is 75% of our portfolio is is is outside the district and we're in, you know, in the suburbs. And so to me, the there's a lot of discussion, a lot of noise, but absolutely zero evidence on the ground that it's having any kind of negative effect on our business at all.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

I'd add some numbers around that. If you look at our effective blended rent increases for the DMV in the first quarter, it was up over 4%. If you look at signed blended leases, which is obviously a leading indicator of what the second quarter is going to look like, so signed blended leases for the first quarter was higher at 5%. And our occupancy in the DMV is the highest in our system at 97%. So very, very, very strong.

[Brad Heffern, Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Okay. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Steve Sakwa with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

[Steve Sakwa, Senior Managing Director at Evercore ISI]

Yes, thanks. Rick, I guess I wanted to follow-up on your comment about the developments. And I know you're being a bit careful on the start, but how are you underwriting construction costs today? And what are you sort of putting in for tariff impacts on that part of the development that's being impacted? And what adjustments, if any, are you making on kind of the rents and expense side of things?

[Steve Sakwa, Senior Managing Director at Evercore ISI]

Thanks.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

Sure. In terms of cost, we're putting roughly 2% to 3% in terms of in cost related to tariffs. And the reason it's not more is that we've been to this movie before under the administration one point o. You know, there were tariffs and there were issues and and COVID, created a lot of a lot of interesting supply chain issues as we all know. And so what a lot of folks have done, including the apartment industry and construction industry, is we have we have tried to get our supply chain more, you know, to to our projects and and a lot of, effort has gone into into, you know, getting supply chains that are that are not as vulnerable as Asian supply chains.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

And I would say that that's part of the reason why we're talking about 2% to 3%. On the other hand, if you think about margin compression on the construction, on contractors, profit margins are coming in. Because if you think about the peak construction, we're fifty years peaks in new construction, and you look at the forward starts and they're falling off the edge of the earth and the builders out there that are subcontractors all see their business shrinking. So what they're doing is they're shrinking their margins to offset these costs. And keep in mind, when you're at a fifty year high on on construction, the margins are wide because there's, you know, there's not enough people to go around from a construction from a business perspective.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

So they there's a lot of room in the margin for for, people to bring that down and and to offset these kind of costs. So I think that's that's that's the good news. The bad news, though, I think is that we are worried that there are gonna be certain components that might have supply chain challenges and not just price, but just getting the product. And, that's kinda like, you know, are the shelves gonna be full of the things that you need? And if there's one component that's not available, that could slow your whole project down.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

And I think there's a little there's definitely some risk in that, for sure. In terms of how we're underwriting today, we're underwriting with a view that rents are going to be flattish for this year and then they're going to start to rise next year at probably better normal rates. And then within in 2027, '20 '20 '8, we're going to have outsized revenue growth. So we're starting with current rates and then we are putting in our models the effect of what we think is going to be some of the best rental growth markets that we've seen since the end of the financial crisis, ex maybe the COVID craziness that happened in 2022.

[Operator]

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Haendel St. Juste with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

[Haendel St. Juste, Managing Director at Mizuho Financial Group]

Hey, guys. Good morning. Alex, maybe a question for you on just the FFO guide here. You gave a second quarter guide. We backed into kind of full year first half versus second half numbers of kind of $3.41 ish for the midpoint of the first half, '3 point '3 '7 in the back half of the year.

[Haendel St. Juste, Managing Director at Mizuho Financial Group]

So I know that market conditions are expected to improve as supply falls. You have some developments coming online, your borrowing costs are lower, and it's early in the year. But maybe you can help us understand if there's anything contemplated in the second half that we're not aware of because again, there seems to be some deceleration implied in the back half of year based on this updated guide? Thanks.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

Yes, Haendel, absolutely. If you remember, we've got $750,000,000 of acquisitions and $750,000,000 of dispositions built into our math. And as I said on the last call, because the initial assets that we're going to be selling are older more capital intensive assets, they are going to be trading at a higher yield than our acquisitions. And so we're going to have some negative impact on that spread on an FFO basis in the latter part of 2025. But remember that's on an FFO basis.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

On an AFFO basis, these assets will probably trade pretty much in line with one another. And then the second thing you have to remember is that as we're selling these older assets although the yield is a little higher today, the newer assets that we're buying are going to grow at a faster pace. So the dilution that you're seeing or that we expect to see in the latter part of 2025 should be eliminated in pretty short order as we go into 2026 and 2027 beyond. But that's what you're looking at.

[Haendel St. Juste, Managing Director at Mizuho Financial Group]

Thank you. Thanks.

[Operator]

And our next question today comes from Alexander Goldfarb with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

[Alexander Goldfarb, Managing Director & Senior Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies]

Hey, morning down there. Alex, question for you on the commercial paper program. You're following a long list of your of other larger REITs that have entered this. And I always whenever I speak to like unsecured the unsecured mafia, I always hear some pushback on the CP program. So can you just elaborate a little bit more what the cost advantage is versus line of credit?

[Alexander Goldfarb, Managing Director & Senior Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies]

Why you do it? Is there any impact from the I mean the unsecured community is pretty powerful community. You want them on your good side. So is there a pricing impact to your bonds? Or like why is there all this commotion that I hear about?

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

So so first of all, I absolutely love our unsecured community. So any of you that are out there listening, we love you guys. What what I would tell you is, those folks that generally were against it, a lot of them have have changed their tune. There are a few that are vocal and that push back against it. But but the real thing is is that you you have to be prudent in how you use it, and we're absolutely gonna be prudent in how we use it.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

It is not in addition to your line of credit. It is, as your line of credit backstops it, it is merely a substitute for your line of credit for short term borrowings. A lot of the unsecured community gets worried that people will use short term debt to fund long term assets. It's absolutely not what we will do. It is just in lieu of our line of credit.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

The pricing differential is fairly significant 50 basis points, which obviously as you can see in our guidance increase works out to be $03 per share for us in 2025. So that's why we do it. It's a large pricing increase, but we absolutely will use it in a prudent effective manner. There will be no impact to our bond pricing. As you pointed out, the largest REIT in the REIT universe do have a commercial paper program in place.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

And so this is not something that we think will cause us any disadvantages on the unsecured side.

[Alexander Goldfarb, Managing Director & Senior Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. And our next question today comes from John Kim with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

[John Kim, Managing Director - US Real Estate at BMO Capital Markets]

Alex, we love you too. I

[John Kim, Managing Director - US Real Estate at BMO Capital Markets]

was wondering on the April commentary of basically showing positive momentum versus the first quarter. I wondering if you could provide that information on new leases as well. If we look at the CoStar data, it seems like April's kind of stalled out for you and some of your peers. I know that's not really apples to apples comparison necessarily, but I was wondering if you can comment if you've seen any softness on new leases in April?

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

We have not, not at all. So, I'm not sure about the data sources that and what they're pulling but we're not seeing that one bid. In fact, we are seeing the uptick that we would expect going from the first quarter to April.

[John Kim, Managing Director - US Real Estate at BMO Capital Markets]

Okay. Thank you.

[Operator]

And our next question today comes from Rich Hightower of Barclays.

[Richard Hightower, Managing Director at Barclays]

So

[Richard Hightower, Managing Director at Barclays]

I was wondering if you could maybe give us a sense of your projections for A assets versus B assets kind of in the Sunbelt markets. And is there any difference in history if we go back and look at historical patterns because you've got a sort of a different composition of the workforce, higher income, higher education, all that kind of stuff versus maybe where we stood ten, twenty years ago, just how those assets will perform?

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

Yes. I'll tell you one of the reasons why we always have between Class A and Class B and a blend between urban and suburban is we know that those different classes behave differently at points in time. If you look at over the past four or five years Class B suburban absolutely was outperforming. But a lot of that was a function of where the supply was. The supply was Class A urban assets.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

As we're working through the urban Class A supply, what we're actually seeing this year in actuals in the first quarter and what we have for the full year is that Class A and urban assets are performing slightly better, pretty close but still slightly better on that side.

[Richard Hightower, Managing Director at Barclays]

Okay. That's interesting. And then maybe just a follow-up. But on the $750,000,000 of acquisitions and dispositions, I guess maybe on the disposition side, Just help us understand who the buyer pool is, cap rates, capital structures, just who's got the capacity to buy, who's lending against those assets, is it a value add type of plan generally, What's going on there?

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

Yes. Absolutely. Value add. What's interesting, there are so many funds out there and a lot of funds that you've never even heard of that have a great deal of capacity. We do have deals in the marketplace.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

I'll tell you that folks that are showing up that are making strong bids are sort of more of the local operator, local shops with good sized funds, good operating histories. They are treating them as value add opportunities. If you look at the spread differential on cap rates as I said a little while ago, it's probably around 100 basis points on a pure FFO type yield differential between the acquisitions, but that's not what it is once you put real CapEx in because these are older assets, more capital intensive assets. But there's a lot of folks out there with money and and and they really do like this product type.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

Yeah. Just to put

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

a fine point on that, the we have a property in Dallas that's that that we're marketing in. And I think the number of of offers like 35 offers on it. And so it is, you know, it's a bite size kind of deal. So there's a lot of people who wanna do these size kind of transactions and and, you know, and and they're right in the sweet spot of Freddie and Fannie financing. So and there's really no limit on the financing side of the equation.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

Insurance companies, banks are still out there in the marketplace. So there's plenty of capital out there. And as to Alex's point, even the private capital is probably more aggressive today than the broader maybe pension capital because they're out there kind of nervous about the market the way most people are. But these private equity slash sort of private office or family office groups have been consistent buyers and have consistent capital over a long period of time.

[Operator]

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Jana Galen with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

[Jana Galan, Director at Bank of America]

Thank you. Good morning. Appreciate your comments on the renewals being sent out at about 4.2%. Can you remind us what the historical take rate is there post negotiations?

[Keith Oden, Executive Vice Chairman of the Board at Camden Property Trust]

I'm sorry, did you say take rate?

[Jana Galan, Director at Bank of America]

Yes, where they kind of settle out on the renewals.

[Keith Oden, Executive Vice Chairman of the Board at Camden Property Trust]

Yes. From the stated rate or what we go out at, there's usually about a 50 basis point decline to what leases get entered into. You know, our renewal rate is one of the highest that we've seen ever in our company's history. So it's pretty interesting that despite all of the maybe Rick's point about head spending, maybe part of the head spending is, I think I'm just going to stay here where I'm comfortable and where I've been treated well and renew my lease and kind of think about it, know, reconsider that somewhere down the road. But our renewal rates were really high and our take rate is about a 50 basis points spread.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

Thank We're assuming that renewals in the second quarter are going to be up in the high 3% range and so that's in line with what we're sending out and what we would expect to sign.

[Jana Galan, Director at Bank of America]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Apologies. And our next question today comes from Adam Kramer at Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

[Adam Kramer, Analyst at Morgan Stanley]

Hey, great. Thank you for the time here. I think on the last call you guys talked about full year blended lease growth between 12% with the new lease that's slightly negative and renewals in the high 3% range. And then I think you also kind of talked about the cadence of that over the course of the year. Wondering if there's any change to, I guess, one, to the full year numbers, both the new and renewal.

[Adam Kramer, Analyst at Morgan Stanley]

And then also wondering, number two, if there's any change to kind of the cadence of new lease growth and kind of the max new lease growth that you expect at some point this year?

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

So first of all you're exactly right. That's exactly what I said last quarter. And at this point in time there is no change to our full year assumptions nor any changes to the cadence of how we get there. And we still do believe that sometime in the third quarter is when you should see some positivity on the new lease side.

[Adam Kramer, Analyst at Morgan Stanley]

You.

[Operator]

You. Today's next question comes from Wes Golladay with Baird. Please go ahead.

[Wes Golladay, Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co]

Hey, good morning everyone. When you look at your acquisition pipeline, are you going to make a big push in Austin and Nashville this year? And are there any other markets you want to boost exposure to?

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

Definitely, Austin and Nashville are on our radar screen big time. And primarily because of the just the percentage of net operating income we have from those markets. We have we've stated we don't want markets to be over 10%, but we want them to get closer to that and Austin and Nashville are in that zone in terms of we need to increase our exposure there to get closer to those numbers. And there are other markets as well like Raleigh that we're looking at as well.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

Yes. Certainly Tampa is a market that's high on our list. Dallas is a market that's high on our list. Dallas will be a little bit of trading assets in and out. But really every single one of the markets that we operate exception of as we talked about last quarter being Houston and the DMV because our two largest markets.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

We're looking for quality real estate in all of those other markets, real estate where we think we can create value for our shareholders.

[Wes Golladay, Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co]

Thanks everyone.

[Operator]

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Michael Goldman at UBS. Please go ahead.

[Analyst]

Hi, thanks. This is Amy on for Michael. First, compliments on the music choice. Then I was wondering, as you are seeing a much better outlook for your markets as we head towards 2027, could you look to rebuild the land bank to be able to start more projects?

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

Absolutely. We're we definitely you're you're asking about rebuilding our development pipeline so that we can bring more projects on?

[Analyst]

Yeah. That correct? Because you you recently, sold down the land bank a bit. Yes. And wondering if you'd like to rebuild.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

Absolutely. We we are in the marketplace, trying to rebuild the land land bank. We are definitely a developer and have created significant value over the years through development, and we will continue to do that. Even though I will say it is much more difficult today to underwrite projects given cost and that rent growth has been flat for the last couple of years. So you definitely have to be very optimistic about the future, but also disciplined about what returns you're willing to take as well.

[Analyst]

Great. Thank you.

[Operator]

And our next question today comes from Linda Tsai with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

[Linda Tsai, Senior Analyst at Jefferies]

Hi. On the SFR product Wood Mill Creek and Long Meadow Farms in Suburban Houston, how is lease up trending relative to expectations? And can you share what you're learning in terms of how residents are responding to the products and maybe how you're driving traffic to these assets?

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

Yes, absolutely. And talked about this a little bit on the last call. This particular product type, we were warned when we got started that it's a very slow lease up. It's just the demographic that generally moves into this product takes longer to make decisions. And and they were right.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

So it it has been a it has been a very slow lease up. The good news is is that we're almost across the finish line and we'll get that we'll have both of them stabilized later on this year. Now the other good news about it is and I talked about this last time as well is that if it takes somebody this long to make a decision to move into a community, we think they're going to be sticky. We think it's going to take them quite some time to make decision to leave the community. So all in all, we feel very good about the product.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

What we really need to see is how is it to operate once it becomes stabilized. If we can operate it efficiently like we think we can with nesting it with our existing traditional multifamily communities, then you're likely to see us do more of this. But at this point in time, know, probably probably the biggest lesson we learned is, yes, it does take a while to to lease up, but feel very good about where we are with them.

[Operator]

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Connor Peace at Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

[Conor Peaks, Analyst at Deutsche Bank]

Hi. Thank you for taking my question. Bad debt continued to improve this quarter at 60 basis points. So would you say you've reached a normalized level at this point? Or are you seeing further improvement or maybe upside pressures?

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

I would tell you that we are pretty close to reaching a normalized level. Keep in mind that normalized for us is 50 basis points and so we're 60 basis points in the first quarter. So we're still 10 basis points high. But we've seen really significant improvements in the markets that were more problematic for us primarily in California and in Southeast Florida. So I think we've got hopefully we've got another 10 plus basis points to go, but feel very, very good about where we are.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

We're certainly ahead of plan for the year and a lot of this is tied to some of the technology initiatives that we've rolled out to make sure that we sort of close the front door on folks coming in on a fraudulent basis. And that technology is absolutely working. We can see it in our results, and we feel good about the progress.

[Keith Oden, Executive Vice Chairman of the Board at Camden Property Trust]

Yes. Connor, I'd just a point on that. I recall during the midst of the COVID mess when our bad debt expense, went to the levels that we thought we would never see. And we got a question on the conference call that that someone asked, do you think that bad debt expense will ever get back to what it was pre COVID? And my answer was, ever is a long time.

[Keith Oden, Executive Vice Chairman of the Board at Camden Property Trust]

And, you know, we probably will. We just couldn't see it at the time. But as Alex said, we're we're basically 10 points away from our thirty year average bad debt expense. So we're definitely trending in the right direction and I think ever will come eventually.

[Conor Peaks, Analyst at Deutsche Bank]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Alex Kim at Zelman and Associates. Please go ahead.

[Alexander Kim, Equity Research Associate at Zelman & Associates]

Hey guys, congrats on the strong quarter. Just wanted to pull the thread a little on the transaction market. I believe you quoted that Camden Leander was able to be acquired 15% below replacement costs previously. And that ability to buy replacement costs has been a boon thus far. I'm just curious, is that still the case in your markets?

[Alexander Kim, Equity Research Associate at Zelman & Associates]

How long do you expect that to last, especially as forward outlook just grows more positive consistently?

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

I think it's going to last for a while in Austin and Nashville because the the markets are are, you know, are gonna take longer to recover. And so there there are folks who are just not gonna buy there until they see more light at like in at the end of the tunnel there. And I think the economic uncertainty has made people nervous, especially when you saw the technology shares collapsing as a result of tariffs and stuff like that. And Austin and Nashville are very high-tech or medical kind of market. So I think you're going to still be able to buy properties below replacement costs in those markets.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

I think in other markets that are have the view that the market is going to that the rental rates are going to turn positive sooner rather than those other two markets are probably going to be a little less able to buy below replacement cost. But it's still I still think there's a fair amount of uncertainty in the marketplace that's keeping a fair amount of institutional investors on the sidelines. I mean, you have the volatility you do in the tenure, I that's I know it's it just makes people's kind of wait, right? And that waiting is, I think, going to continue to keep prices in a reasonable level where we can buy below replacement cost. I think the ultimately the other sort of driver is how many properties are coming into the markets.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

And the banks that need to be paid off by merchant builders' banks have been very accommodative over the last couple of years, and they see the light at the end of the tunnel as well. And they're going to start putting more pressure on people to sell or refinance in some fashion. And there are a lot of merchant builders out there that have to write checks to refinance and they probably aren't going to want to do that. They're likely to sell. And so you should have more merchant builder product in the market as a result of that over the next twelve months.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

So with all that said, I think it's going to be a reasonable place to, a reasonable environment to acquire properties. And in some markets, you'll get big discounts like Austin and Nashville. In other markets, it's going be closer to replacement costs or maybe a little slightly less, but not the 10% or 15% number that we've seen in Austin and Nashville.

[Alexander Kim, Equity Research Associate at Zelman & Associates]

Got it. Appreciate the level of detail there.

[Operator]

Thank you. And our next question is a follow-up from Alexander Goldfarb with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

[Alexander Goldfarb, Managing Director & Senior Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies]

Hey, thank you for the follow-up. Two, a combo market question on Houston and LA. Rick, obviously oil back in the limelight. And so just curious with the drop in oil prices, any ramifications down the Houston market and out in LA with what's going on in Hollywood, the delayed reboot, how you're thinking about your Hollywood and Glendale assets?

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

Sure. Let's start with oil. Oil prices obviously are lower and they were lower for two reasons. One, people worried about the economy, more importantly, the OPEC pumping more oil. And so, what we hear from, oil executives and I was talking to some CEOs of oil companies here in the last week or so, and their view is that oil prices cannot stay at these levels very long for a couple of reasons.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

One is that the OPEC needs, even though they have a lower breakeven price for oil than The U. S. Does, they need $70 plus oil to to make their economies work. And and so bringing oil prices down maybe for political reasons has is what they're doing now. But ultimately and probably fairly short lived if the economy doesn't the economy doesn't crash and you you have a more more accommodative economy, you know, most people think the oil price is going to be, 70 plus fairly quickly.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

On the other hand, when you

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

think about

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

Houston specifically, the price of oil is really not, unless it's like a massive decline because of COVID or something like that, has really not changed the dynamic of the energy business because the energy business today has consolidated so much and has become more efficient that it doesn't that the price of oil doesn't really drive their business as much, especially the big oil. Chevron and Exxon both announced earnings today. Chevron's wasn't as as good as Exxon's, but both said that, you know, they're they're going going forward with their projects. They're not changing their capital allocation strategies. They're not doing much other than than, you know, just dealing with the current environment.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

Both companies, have moved their headquarters, Exxon from Dallas to Houston and Chevron last year moved their headquarters from the Bay Area to Houston. So we continue Houston continues to get consolidation effect and the employment from moving those headquarters. And so I don't think that oil prices are going be a big issue to Houston at all. In terms of LA Yeah.

[Keith Oden, Executive Vice Chairman of the Board at Camden Property Trust]

Alex, two properties you mentioned, Camden Hollywood and Glendale, they averaged both averaged 96% occupied in the first quarter. They continue to have a really good even recently in April, they're doing really well. They also are we're down to probably a handful of holdover bad actors from the COVID experience. So we've almost in a lot of cases, we've turned over a pretty significant percentage of the tenancy in both of those communities. 96% occupied is feels like a really good place to be versus our overall portfolio average of 95.4% occupied right now.

[Keith Oden, Executive Vice Chairman of the Board at Camden Property Trust]

So, I think we're fine there. You're always going to have the what's the next bullet in California from a regulatory standpoint. But actually, there's been some pretty interesting news from a positive sense on the regulatory zeal for jumping into regulatory regimes around rent control, etcetera, in the last six months in LA. I hope it's a

[Keith Oden, Executive Vice Chairman of the Board at Camden Property Trust]

trend that continues.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

I'll just add one last thing on Houston that I wanted to mention. That is you probably saw the announcement that Apple is expanding a plant here in Houston. Apple and Foxcom just bought 175 acres adjacent to the existing manufacturing facility they have. So a lot of the discussion about onshoring or reshoring or whatever you want to call it is starting to starting to take place.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

And, and places like Texas are drawing those companies here for all the reasons that, you know, when you think about Houston, it it it gained, Houston gained 1,100,000 people in the last ten years, and it's a combination of domestic migration and and migration. We're projected to have 100,000 more people this year. So and people go, well, that's changing. And I think that the answer is it's not really changing because the reason people come to this market is because we are low cost, high highly productive, and low risk. And when you when you think about those and we have energy, by the way.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

And when you think about data centers, when you and data center production is is exploding here locally. And and so the reason data centers are are coming to Texas is because we have the thing they need, which is power. We we allow new power plants to be built. I'm trying to think when the last power new power plant was built in California. So those, you know, the restoring, the data center, you know, activity is all continuing to produce lots of jobs and lots of growth for Houston.

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

So I think that and for Texas overall. So that really applies to all the Texas markets. But it's just a good story that continues to keep going.

[Operator]

Thank you. And our next question today comes from Brad Heffer with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

[Brad Heffern, Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Yes. Thanks for the follow-up. Another one on D. C. So last quarter you formalized the plan to work down the exposure to both Houston and D.

[Brad Heffern, Director at RBC Capital Markets]

C. Obviously, made the positive comments on the fundamentals in D. C. But are you planning to market assets in D. C.

[Brad Heffern, Director at RBC Capital Markets]

In the near term? Or does the uncertainty there push out your transactions and presumably other transactions as well?

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

I think it definitely makes sense to slow down on dispositions in DC in this current environment until you get more certainty about what's going on. I think investors are all kind of see it, wait and see attitude and that makes a lot of sense for us as well. And the Texas markets are buoyant and lots of excitement about expanding Texas exposure for investors. And so, yeah, we'll definitely we're not going to sell because we said we will into a market we maybe think is a little less constructive for sales.

[Brad Heffern, Director at RBC Capital Markets]

Okay. Thank you.

[Operator]

Thank you. And our next follow-up comes from Haendel St. Juste of Mizuho. Please go ahead.

[Haendel St. Juste, Managing Director at Mizuho Financial Group]

Hey there. Alex, I wanted to go back to the question asked earlier on kind of the first half versus second half in terms of FFO. But maybe from a Blends perspective, you gave some updates on expectations for second quarter and it still seems like the first half look for Blends is looking to be somewhat flattish. And so to get to your full year guide, it implies a pretty meaningful ramp in the back half of the year to I think over 2%. So maybe help us understand kind of what's driving that your confidence threshold and maybe any additional perspectives?

[Haendel St. Juste, Managing Director at Mizuho Financial Group]

Thanks.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

Yes, absolutely. So once again the blended trade out that I've got for the full year is 1% to 2%. So clearly there's a range and there's different ways we can get to the range. But one of the things that I do want to remind folks about is that the in February or March of last year if you recall we ran a special program to move all of our stale units. We had lower pricing when we went through that particular program.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

I will tell you that on average most of those leases were signed were sixteen month leases. And so sixteen month leases clearly becomes helpful for us when you start to look out sixteen months from March of last year. And so that certainly does help a lot in our comparison basis. But yes, we feel we still feel very comfortable with the range of 1% to 2% and we feel comfortable that is a path that we can absolutely get there.

[Operator]

Thank you. And our final question today comes from Jamie Feldman at Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

[Jamie Feldman, Analyst at Wells Fargo]

Great. Thanks for the follow-up. Just quickly on your insurance renewal coming up in May. I'm just curious, what have you included in guidance for that and how are things trending in those conversations?

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

So we actually renewed yesterday. I I will tell you, as I've said many times, the the there's a very cyclical market when it comes to insurance, and a lot of insurance providers made a lot of money over the past several years and, insurance as we know is oftentimes a commodity and the best way in which insurance providers can get more business is to drop rates and that is exactly what we saw. So our total premiums were down a little bit over 10%. So feel very good about that. Now keep in mind that premiums are only one component of our total insurance costs.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

The second component is obviously losses. If you look at 2024, we had a very low year in terms of losses. We are not currently anticipating that '25 is going to be as low as '24 just because we're looking at historical trends. So when you put the very successful insurance renewal in light or you combine that with the idea that losses will likely be up from 24%, we are assuming that insurance for us for 25% is going to be a flat number. That being said, we obviously did not change our full year expense growth assumptions.

[Alex Jessett, President & CFO at Camden Property Trust]

We are anticipating that perhaps some of the savings that we're seeing on the insurance side may get eaten up with slightly higher R and M tied to some of the tariff activity and we're also seeing a little bit of slightly higher utilities as well, but very, very good insurance renewal.

[Operator]

Thank you. And this concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to Okay,

[Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO at Camden Property Trust]

great. Well, thank you for being on the call today and we look forward to following up with you in the future and seeing you at future meetings. Thank you.

[Operator]

This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.

Participants

Executives

• Kim Callahan, SVP of IR
• Ric Campo, Chairman and CEO
• Keith Oden, Executive Vice Chairman of the Board
• Alex Jessett, President & CFO

Analysts

• Eric Wolfe, Director at Citi
• Jamie Feldman, Analyst at Wells Fargo
• Brad Heffern, Director at RBC Capital Markets
• Steve Sakwa, Senior Managing Director at Evercore ISI
• Haendel St. Juste, Managing Director at Mizuho Financial Group
• Alexander Goldfarb, Managing Director & Senior Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies
• John Kim, Managing Director - US Real Estate at BMO Capital Markets
• Richard Hightower, Managing Director at Barclays
• Jana Galan, Director at Bank of America
• Adam Kramer, Analyst at Morgan Stanley
• Wes Golladay, Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co
• Analyst
• Linda Tsai, Senior Analyst at Jefferies
• Conor Peaks, Analyst at Deutsche Bank
• Alexander Kim, Equity Research Associate at Zelman & Associates