Beta Bionics Q1 2025 Earnings Report

Beta Bionics EPS Results

• Actual EPS: -$0.52
• Consensus EPS: -$0.51
• Beat/Miss: Missed by -$0.01
• One Year Ago EPS: N/A

Beta Bionics Revenue Results

• Actual Revenue: N/A
• Expected Revenue: N/A
• Beat/Miss: N/A
• YoY Revenue Growth: N/A

Beta Bionics Announcement Details

• Quarter: Q1 2025
• Date: 5/6/2025
• Time: After Market Closes
• Conference Call Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2025
• Conference Call Time: 4:30PM ET

Beta Bionics (NASDAQ:BBNX) is a commercial-stage medical device company. It engages in the design, development, and commercialization of solutions for insulin-requiring people with diabetes. The company was founded by Edward R. Damiano on October 21, 2015 and is headquartered in Irvine, CA.

Beta Bionics Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Key Takeaways

• Q1 2025 performance: Net sales of $17.6 million grew 36% year-over-year, driven by 3,853 new patient starts (+48% YoY), surpassing expectations and underpinning confidence in meeting full-year targets.
• Pharmacy channel ramp: A low-20s percentage of new patient starts were reimbursed through the pay-as-you-go pharmacy model, up from mid-single digits a year ago, prompting guidance for 22–25% pharmacy mix in 2025.
• Full-year guidance raised: 2025 net sales outlook increased to $82 million–$87 million, full-year gross margin to 50%–53%, and pharmacy mix to 22%–25%, reflecting strong demand and operational leverage.
• Strong cash and profitability outlook: Ending Q1 with $295.5 million in cash and investments, the company expects to generate positive free cash flow earlier than peers thanks to efficient manufacturing and recurring supply revenue.
• Innovation pipeline progress: On track for a commercial patch pump by end of 2027 and advancing a bridging study for its bihormonal pump’s glucagon formulation, paving the way for pivotal trials and regulatory filings.

Presentation

[Operator]

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Beta Bionics First Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. After the speakers' presentations, there will be a question and answer session and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Blake Bieber, Head of Investor Relations.

[Operator]

Please go ahead.

[Blake Beber, Head - Investor Relations at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Thank you. Good afternoon and thank you for joining Beta Bionics first quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. Joining me on the call today are Sean Saint, Beta Bionics' President and Chief Executive Officer and Stephen Feider, Chief Financial Officer. Both the replay of this call and the press release discussing our first quarter twenty twenty five results will be available on the Investor Relations section of our website. The replay will be available for approximately one year following the conclusion of this call.

[Blake Beber, Head - Investor Relations at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Information recorded on this call speaks only as of today, 05/06/2025. Therefore, if you are listening to this replay, any time sensitive information may no longer be accurate. Also on our website is our supplemental first quarter twenty twenty five earnings presentation and updated corporate presentation. We encourage you to reference those documents for a summary of key metrics and business updates. Before we begin, we would like to remind you that today's discussion will include forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

[Blake Beber, Head - Investor Relations at Beta Bionics, Inc]

These statements reflect management's expectations about future events, our product pipeline, development timelines, financial performance and operating plans. Please refer to the cautionary statements in the press release we issued earlier today as well as our SEC filings, including our Form 10 Q filed today for a detailed explanation of the inherent limitations of such forward looking statements. These documents contain and identify important factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from current expectations expressed or implied by our forward looking statements. Please note that the forward looking statements made during this call speak only as of today's date. And we undertake no obligation to update them to reflect subsequent events or circumstances, except to the extent required by law.

[Blake Beber, Head - Investor Relations at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Today's discussion will also include references to non GAAP financial measures with respect to our performance, namely adjusted EBITDA. Non GAAP financial measures are provided to give our investors information that we believe is indicative of our core operating performance and reflects our ongoing business operations. We believe these non GAAP financial measures facilitate better comparisons of operating results across reporting periods. Any non GAAP financial information presented should not be considered as a substitution independently or superior to results prepared in accordance with GAAP. Please refer to our earnings press release and supplemental earnings presentation on the Investor Relations section of our website for a reconciliation of non GAAP financial measures to their most directly comparable GAAP financial measure.

[Blake Beber, Head - Investor Relations at Beta Bionics, Inc]

With that, I'll now turn the call over to Sean.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our first quarter twenty twenty five earnings call. We're excited to discuss with you all today our results for the first quarter of twenty twenty five and updates regarding our annual guidance for the full year. As I highlighted in detail on our Q4 and full year earnings call in March 2024 was a tremendous momentum building year for Beta Bionics, where our efforts to expand ILA's commercial reach while advancing our innovation pipeline set the company up for success of the short, medium and long term. We are building a highly differentiated company that is difficult to compare to traditional insulin pumps from the industry business models. From our first of its kind adaptive closed loop algorithm, which takes over set up and dosing, to our pay as you go pharmacy business model, which we pioneered for durable insulin pumps, to our innovation pipeline, which includes a further differentiated patch pump and a biphormonal pump that we hope will transform the way people think about managing their diabetes, Plus, it could give us a second new business model based on our glucagon license.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

We appreciate our business is quite different from others in our industry and appreciate everyone's efforts towards learning about these differences. We firmly believe the business model and product evolutions we're pioneering are the right path forward for Beta Bionics and our customers, and we are confident that you will see that play out in our performance over time. The momentum that we saw in 2024 carried into the first quarter of twenty twenty five, driven by robust demand for the ILETS and our team's unwavering commitment to delivering life changing solutions that simplify and alleviate the burden of managing diabetes. I want to thank our team for their efforts, through which we generated Q1 results that exceeded our expectations across the board, and that gives us a great deal of confidence in our ability to meet or potentially exceed our updated projections for the remainder of the year. Specifically, we've increased our 2025 annual guidance for revenue, percent of new patient starts reimbursed through pharmacy channel, and gross margin, which Stephen will discuss in greater detail.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

On today's call, I'll discuss our Q1 results. Following that, Stephen will give us some additional details, I'll highlight our increased annual guidance for the full year 2025 and the conviction we have in our ability to meet or potentially exceed those targets. And lastly, I'll provide updates on our innovation pipeline. Starting with a brief overview of our Q1 twenty twenty five financial performance, I'm proud to announce that we delivered $17,600,000 in net sales, which grew 36% year over year. This was fueled by growth in our new patient starts, which we where we saw 3,853 new patients adopt the islet in Q1, up 48% year over year.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

A low 20s percentage of those new patient starts were reimbursed through the pharmacy channel in Q1, which is meaningfully higher than the mid single digit percent we saw in Q1 of twenty twenty four and the low teens percentage we saw in Q4 of twenty twenty four. Notably, we've already achieved our previous guidance of greater than 20% of new patient starts through pharmacy. As a reminder, we believe the best metric to measure pharmacy coverage is the percentage of new patient starts that are reimbursed through pharmacy, as opposed to percentage lives covered, which only accounts for formulary arrangements with pharmacy benefit managers or PBMs, and doesn't account for adoption by the underlying health plans or the underlying logistics required to utilize this channel. Shifting now to gross margin, our gross margin in the quarter was 50.9%, down relative to 55.7% in Q1 of twenty twenty four, which is primarily attributable to the substantial year over year increase we delivered in the percentage of new patient starts going through channel. As I'll highlight in more detail shortly, this meaningful expansion of pharmacy adoption bodes well for a medium to long term outlook for gross margin expansion.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

I want to emphasize that our pharmacy model is a pay as you go model that essentially eliminates the revenue we generate for the islet itself, but maximizes reimbursement we get for islet supplies on a monthly basis. This model is starkly different from the DME channel or other pharmacy channel business models that focus more on collecting a large upfront payment for the pump itself, but much less payment for monthly supplies. You can have your cake and eat it too, meaning maximize both upfront payments for the pump itself as well as the monthly payments for supplies. That's a very difficult recipe for driving meaningful pharmacy adoption. As such, we've chosen the pay as you go model that maximizes supply revenue because we believe it generates the most lifetime customer value while also being the most powerful pharmacy benefit model for health plans to adopt, as evidenced by our rapid growth in new patient starts being reimbursed through the pharmacy in recent quarters.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Said differently, we're willing to weather the slight near term headwinds that come with our pharmacy model so that we can benefit much more from the medium to long term tailwinds that we expect it to generate relative to other models. As I mentioned earlier, we're proud of our Q1 results. They are a reflection of the market's deepening appreciation for our highly differentiated adaptive closed loop algorithm and recent product launches from Q3 to Q4 of twenty twenty four, including Libre three plus information, Color Eyelet, and our Bionic Circle remote monitoring app, all of which contributed meaningfully to our performance in Q1. Q1 tends to be seasonally weaker period for diabetes technology adoption as patients' deductibles reset, yet our new patient starts only experienced a slight sequential decline in Q1. That's certainly a credit to all those factors I just mentioned, but it's also important to highlight that our increasing pharmacy mix enables people with diabetes to access our pump with minimal to no upfront out of pocket costs, which also certainly helped our ability to drive new patient starts in the quarter.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Regardless of which pharmacy business model the industry decides to pursue, I think we can all agree that decreased out of pocket costs are good for patients, and it's encouraging to see us all working toward that same goal. With that, I'll turn the call over to Stephen to provide some additional color regarding our first quarter results and to discuss our increased full year guidance for 2025.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Stephen?

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Thanks, Sean. Diving deeper into our Q1 performance, approximately 71 of our three thousand eight hundred and fifty three new patient starts in Q1 came from people with diabetes that used multiple daily injections prior to starting the islet. This metric reinforces our belief that the islet is addressing an unmet need in the market and meaningfully expanding the market for insulin pumps. Q1 results saw traction from our product launches in Q3 and Q4 of twenty twenty four, including the Libre three plus integration, ColorIslet and Bionic Circle, as well as our growth in pharmacy mix, which makes it easier for patients to access our pump.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

With these dynamics in play, we're able to partially offset some of the seasonal headwinds to new patient starts that the industry tends to see in Q1 relative to Q4. Let's shift to pharmacy dynamics. In Q1, a low 20s percentage of our new patient starts reimbursed to the pharmacy, which exceeded our expectations as we saw faster uptick by the underlying health plans that partner with Prime Therapeutics as their PBM. Plus, we continue to make progress in driving adoption by health plans within other existing PBM partnerships. The pharmacy channel is our preferred reimbursement channel, given it is accretive to our financials over a four year period relative to the DME channel, and it substantially lowers out of pocket costs for patients.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Turning now to gross margin. In Q1, our gross margin was 50.9%, down compared to 55.7% in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. The decline relative to the same quarter of the prior year can be attributed predominantly to our rapidly increasing pharmacy mix as a percentage of new patient starts, which we just discussed. Reflecting on our Q1 gross margin performance, we're pleased with the strong result we delivered despite the substantial uptick in pharmacy adoption because it's reflective of our continued cost discipline, which bodes well for our gross margin outlook for the remainder of 2025 and beyond. Shifting now to operating expenses.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Total operating expenses in the first quarter were $27,600,000 an increase of 66% compared to the $16,700,000 in the first quarter of twenty twenty four. This increase in operating expenses was primarily attributable to expansion of our field sales team as well as the new costs related to operating as a public company. Let's talk about cash. As of 03/31/2025, we ended the quarter with $295,500,000 in cash, cash equivalents and short and long term investments. We remain confident in our ability to generate positive free cash flow at an earlier stage relative to what historical precedents and our peer group may suggest.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Here are a few reasons for this confidence. Number one, our gross margin profile is attractive relative to our scale. We have designed our device to be manufactured efficiently and expect to see future reductions in the cost to produce an eyelet stemming predominantly from greater leverage on our fixed overhead costs as we scale. Number two is our pay as you go pharmacy revenue model, which we've now discussed extensively and are confident it is financially accretive relative to DME in the medium and long term. Our most powerful lever on profitability is price.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Number three is simply that this management team has a track record of operating efficiently. The Beta Bionics management team and I appreciate the way to earn this efficient operator title and the public's trust is by delivering results, and that's what we intend to do in the coming quarters and years. Now turning to our 2025 annual guidance. We are increasing guidance across the board. We now project the net sales for the full year of 2025 will be 82,000,000 to $87,000,000 up from our prior guidance of 80,000,000 to $85,000,000 We now expect 22% to 25% of our new patient starts to be reimbursed through the pharmacy channel versus our prior guidance of greater than 20%.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Allow me to remind you what the increase in pharmacy guidance means for revenue over the next four years. The raise from 20% to 23.5% new patient starts through pharmacy, which is the midpoint of our updated guidance will likely generate a roughly $1,000,000 headwind 2025 revenue. This roughly $1,000,000 headwind is baked into our updated 2025 annual revenue guidance of 82 to 87. From 2025 through 2028, we'd expect the same increase in pharmacy guidance resulting up to a potentially $8,000,000 net tailwind to cumulative revenue that goes directly to our bottom line, assuming no attrition and inclusive of the $1,000,000 potential headwind in 2025. In terms of how to think about the revenue cadence for the remainder of the year, we still expect the relative weighting of new patient starts and revenue across each quarter to be similar to the relative weighting we saw across each quarter in 2024.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

We anticipate new patient starts in the second quarter will increase sequentially relative to the first quarter, driven by continued traction of our recent product launches, plus the 20 sales territories we added in the first quarter to bring our total number of territories up to 63. We expect the percentage of new patient starts reimbursed to pharmacy in Q2 will be at least as strong as Q1, with additional growth coming in the back half of the year. Our formulary agreement with Prime Therapeutics went into effect on February 1, and we saw faster than expected traction of ILDIN pharmacy within the health plans that partner with Prime. While these efforts to expand pharmacy adoption will continue throughout the year, both with prime partnered health plans as well as health plans that partner with other PBMs we have agreements with, we don't expect the rate of pharmacy increase in any given quarter for the remainder of the year to be as pronounced as the rate of increase we saw in Q1. Moving on now to gross margin.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

We are raising our outlook 50% to 53% gross margin for the full year 2025 versus our prior guidance of at least 50%. Despite the larger than expected increase in pharmacy mix, we are raising our gross margin outlook for a number of reasons. Number one, embedded in our revenue guidance raise is a raise in our expectations for new patient starts. And that increased scale will allow us to gain more leverage on our fixed overhead costs. Number two, we saw an incremental decrease in our bill of materials for the islet relative to the prior quarter and expect that Q1 run rate should sustain throughout the year.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

And number three, we'll benefit from our growing pharmacy install base, where the bolus of new pharmacy users we onboarded in Q1 should produce high margin pharmacy supply revenue for the balance of the year. So the takeaway here is that while the outperformance in pharmacy was an unexpected headwind to our gross margin outlook for the year, we expect to be able to more than offset that headwind and we are raising guidance as a result. Moving on to tariffs. Custom components for The Islet and its consumables are exempt from tariffs under the Nairobi protocol. We do have some non custom components that we source from China such as our device chargers.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

But overall, we expect the impact of tariffs on our business to be minimal and their impact is contemplated in our updated gross margin guidance for the year. In terms of how to think about gross margin cadence for the remainder of the year, we expect gross margin to increase slightly throughout the year as continued increases in new patient starts through the pharmacy are more than offset by the combination of number one, the leverage we gain on fixed overhead manufacturing costs from increased volumes and number two, our growing pharmacy installed base. With that, I'll hand the call back to Sean to discuss our innovation pipeline.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Thanks, Steven. Before I jump into our innovation pipeline, I want to dive a little deeper into our algorithm and the advantage position it holds in the market. Let's first acknowledge that an FDA approved AID system in the market today, including the islet, must first deliver great outcomes. Given this is table stakes, a core belief of ours is that ease of use is the metric that people with diabetes care about the most when they think about their approach to treating their diabetes. We saw the importance of no fingerstick calibration, continuous glucose monitors, and the role that particular ease of use innovation played in accelerating CGM penetration.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

And we believe that the islet is simply similarly redefining the metrics that matter most insulin pumps. We believe this because not only are we seeing tremendous traction for the ILACENT's launch, but now the pump industry at large is touting ease of use as the next frontier of innovation, whether that's by trying to simplify pump setup, meal announcements, and carb counting, or trying to eliminate meal announcements altogether, which the industry would define as fully closed loop. In terms of where the industry is today, the ease of use innovations that we've seen from traditional hybrid closed loop systems are incremental steps in the right direction, but we still believe the islet is far ahead, and that's because the islet does something that we believe no other pump can do. It adapts to each user and learns their insulin requirements. It's one thing to pre populate a pump's initial settings based on a new on a few inputs.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

It's another thing entirely to do what the islet does, which is autonomously determine initial insulin dosing based weight alone, and then the pump actually adapts to the user and continuously adjusts those doses over time based on what that specific user needs at that time. With other pumps, the burden of adjusting pump settings and finding the right doses is on the provider and the patient. With the islet, the burden is on the pump itself to do that. The same logic applies to fixed insulin dosing or fixed carb counts for different food items. The burden is still on the provider to educate the user and on the user to learn what fixed insulin dose to give or fixed carb count to select, and what works best for them over time.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

With the islet, the pump will learn and adapt to what a usual meal is for you. That's the key to revolutionizing ease of use, adaptation and learning. It's important to note that Beta Bionics has worked hard to bring easier products to use to the market. But as we said earlier, outcomes can't be sacrificed in the process. We're proud of our clinical and real world data, and we have chosen to arm our sales force with real time access to our real world patient outcomes.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Using our iPads, reps can select a particular clinic as well as criteria like previous therapy and see how those de identified users are doing in real time. They can do this on a population level or a clinic level. We arm our sales force with that data because we're proud of it, and we're penetrating deeper into new and existing clinics because our data is resonating with prescribers. We look forward to presenting a comprehensive update of our real world evidence through the ILA's first two years of launch at our ADA investor event in June. Now let's dig into our innovation pipeline.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

I'm extremely excited by our pipeline and the ability it may have to disrupt the industry and ourselves. In Q1, we continue to make progress on our patch pump towards our goal of commercialization by the end of twenty twenty seven, and we remain confident in that target. We believe our patch pump's two part reusable and disposable design may make for a more seamless patch change process versus fully disposable patches, and that plus the integration of our adaptive closed loop algorithm with the patch has the potential to transform the user experience for patch pumps. We're excited to show you all a demonstration of the patch at our ADA investor event in June, where we will dive deeper into the process design and the user experience advantages I mentioned. Shifting to our bihormonal pump program, in q one, we began enrolling what I would refer to as our bridging study for our glucagon candidate, which is successful, would allow us to bridge all of our previous bihormonal clinical data, including three pre pivotal inpatient and six pre pivotal outpatient trials, to our new formulation of glucagon.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

This study is designed to assess the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics, typically referred to as PKPD, of our glucagon candidate. Beyond the PKPD study, we're planning to conduct concurrent pivotal trials to fulfill the requirements for a five zero five(two) NDA with a chronic drug indication of glucagon and the ACE and IAGC five ten ks's for the pump and algorithm respectively. I want to remind everyone that if we're successful in getting the bivhormonal system to market, we believe it could have not only the ability to transform clinical outcomes for people with diabetes, but more importantly, the ability to transform the way people think about managing their diabetes, as well as produce a larger lifetime customer value to beta. Beyond the patch and bihormonal programs, I want to provide a few other updates. Starting with our digital innovation, we recently launched a pilot of our updated health care provider portal, which allows clinics to see a full view of all the islet patients they treat in the clinic, to collaborate between providers in the clinic, and to simplify communication and connections between health care providers and islet users during and between their visits to the clinic.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Our mission is to simplify and alleviate the burden of managing diabetes, and the vision for our new health care provider portal is to do just that. Over time, we'll be adding features that we expect will empower providers to understand the outcomes that the aisle is driving across their entire patient base and to quickly identify and triage patients that may need additional support. To briefly touch on the type two label expansion opportunity, we've shared that there are some health care providers that decide to prescribe ILD to their type two patients off label. We continue to see this in Q1 and estimate that approximately twenty percent to twenty five percent of our new patient starts in the quarter were type two. We look forward to pursuing the type two label to the FDA, but we also recognize the importance that ease of use and pharmacy can have in driving type two adoption by patients and the providers who manage them, most of which are primary care providers.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Now to touch on CGM integrations, we will support the 15 Dexcom g seven sensor at launch. We are currently integrated with Dexcom g six and g seven and Abbott Freestyle Libre three plus, making us the most advantage pump for CGM integrations in The US today, and we intend to retain that advantage when the fifteen day g seven launches. To summarize what we hope you'll take away from the call today, we are seeing positive momentum across our business, both commercially and in our pipeline. We've updated our annual guidance accordingly and are confident in our ability to meet or potentially exceed those increased targets across the board. We have a number of compelling short, medium, and long term initiatives that we expect will ultimately deliver life changing solutions to a much larger group of people with diabetes.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

We're committed to building a business that delivers durable value to the diabetes community and in doing so to our shareholders as well. And we're excited to continue sharing updates with you all each quarter as we progress in our journey. With that operator, please open the call for Q and A.

[Operator]

Your first question comes from the line of Matthew O'Brien with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

[Matt O'Brien, Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies]

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. Would love to start on the pharmacy side because that number was pretty eye popping as far as what we saw here in Q1. Just between the new access that you received, new sales force you received or you've gotten recently, just maybe talk a

[Matt O'Brien, Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies]

little bit about just thinking about

[Matt O'Brien, Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies]

the sales, I'm not sure that was that big of a contributor. Just what we're seeing on the underlying side in terms of the dynamics of the pharmacy channel on your business and the decision to increase the outlook there specifically here in Q1?

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yes, Matt, thanks for the question. I think that what we're seeing there is we're just having greater success with, in effect, what we're selling to the plans themselves. As we shared in prepared remarks, step one is get the contract to the PBM, but the traditionally more difficult step is to convince the underlying plans to adopt your plan that you've laid out or the contract you've laid up with the PBM. And frankly, we're just seeing that happen faster than we expected. And I think that's a testament to signing those contracts in a way that makes it advantage for the plans to want to do this.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

And that happened pretty aggressively in the first quarter, primarily based on the prime contract specifically. But that obviously gives us, excuse me, increased confidence going into the back half of the year.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

And there's nothing one time about the success that we had in pharmacy in the first quarter. So, again, it was a low twenties percentage of our new patient starts reimbursed through the pharmacy in Q1. And we increased the guidance to twenty two percent to twenty five percent for the year. And so, we're just pointing out that what we saw in Q1, we expect to sustain through the rest of the year with some slight uptick.

[Matt O'Brien, Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies]

Got it. And then, Stephen, you did a really nice job running through the financial benefit that you're going to get from that upside here in Q1. Can you talk about, again, the patient adds? I mean, that was way higher than what we've been modeling here, especially in the seasonally soft quarter, just some of the successes that you're having in terms of adding new patients and then the contribution from these new reps and potentially layering on in terms of adoption because you're still fairly new in the rollout of the product. Thanks.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. Good questions, man. Thanks for the compliment there.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

So, yeah, we saw a 4% reduction in our new patient starts from Q4 to Q1. I think that's Matt, what you're alluding to. So, again, Q4 to Q1, '4 percent reduction, but seasonally, you would expect in diabetes, the decrease to be quite a bit more significant than that. And so I think it's really just a product of two things that are resonating with our product. Number one, we had some new product launches that went into effect in Q3 and Q4, notably the Color Eyelet, the Libre three integration and the Bionic Circle.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

So those certainly create some benefit for us that we're selling better things now. And we were able to do that for the entire quarter. And then the second is we have a maturing sales force. So we have a sales force that now we exited Q1 with 63 sales territories, but a lot of those 20 of those 63 are brand new in the first quarter. But even of the 43 that existed prior to that, they were maturing, they're more mature and we're developing traction across the entire country.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

So, again, of those 20 new territories that we added in the first quarter, really, was no contribution to new patient starts from those incremental 20. So, it's again, most of the results that we saw in Q1 were from the existing 43 we already had.

[Matt O'Brien, Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies]

Got it. Thank you.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Mike Ratke with Leerink Partners. Please go ahead.

[Mike Kratky, Senior Managing Director - Medical Devices & Technology at Leerink Partners]

Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking our questions. Stephen, maybe just wanted to start on the guidance. Can you help frame to what extent your new guidance assumes that raise in new starts for the year relative to your prior expectations? Any color on the magnitude of that would be helpful.

[Mike Kratky, Senior Managing Director - Medical Devices & Technology at Leerink Partners]

And then have one follow-up.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Can you say that again, Mike?

[Mike Kratky, Senior Managing Director - Medical Devices & Technology at Leerink Partners]

Yes. I might have missed this, but I think you said in your comments that your new guidance in terms of revenue assumes a raise in your new starts overall

[Mike Kratky, Senior Managing Director - Medical Devices & Technology at Leerink Partners]

for the And

[Mike Kratky, Senior Managing Director - Medical Devices & Technology at Leerink Partners]

just curious on the magnitude of that and maybe just to ask the follow-up upfront, how does that assume any new shifts in competition, either between new players or new combos that could come to market?

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah, gotcha. Okay. So, we increased our revenue guidance by 2,000,000 at the bottom end, high end of the range. But we also dramatically increased our pharmacy guidance, which means that in 2025, we increased our new patient starts expectations by above what our revenue guidance implies. Because we have to sell more new patient starts in order to make up for that revenue Delta that's now created in the short run from pharmacy.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

So I guess maybe just to confirm your point, Mike. Yeah, we increased our revenue guidance, but the actual implied increase in new patient starts guidance is higher than what, again, what we're communicating in terms of revenue. In terms of competitive pressure, I

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

don't know, Sean, do you wanna comment on that part?

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Sure. I mean, I don't think that the way we do our guidance generally doesn't consider relative share between the different players. But what I will say is that we're obviously quite cognizant of competitive launches within the space. And we did allude to that in the call. And at this point, we don't see anything on the horizon that we're particularly concerned about.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

You know, everybody's doing well. You know, there's good products out there now and getting better. But for the moment, we believe that the ILIT remains a differentiated algorithm that does whatthat does a fairly unique thing. And that's exactly why we've been leaning into sharing our real world results of the islet and how it's working in the field as broadly as we possibly can. And I would add to what Steven said earlier about tailwinds in q one is, as we mentioned, our sales reps are now in a position to be sharing how well the islet is doing from baseline a one c to follow-up GMI, and that message is very much resonating.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

And again, you know, we just don't see anything on the market or excuse me, on the horizon that that really risks that in any way.

[Mike Kratky, Senior Managing Director - Medical Devices & Technology at Leerink Partners]

Understood. Thanks very much. And maybe if I can just sneak one more in. In terms of the Type two side, super helpful color. Can you talk about what type of traction you're seeing among endos versus PCPs for those patients?

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Mike, I think we'd probably prefer not to comment on that at this time specifically. What we will say is that a significant number of the type two population is managed in the primary care space, and we do believe that being applicable in the primary care space is a very different challenge than in the endocrinology space, primarily based on the fact that primary care providers are somewhat less familiar with the setup and management of a traditional insulin pump, and that we believe positions us uniquely in the primary care space specifically, having nothing to do with the type two opportunity specifically because, again, we don't that indication at this point.

[Mike Kratky, Senior Managing Director - Medical Devices & Technology at Leerink Partners]

Got it. Thanks very much.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Thanks, Mike.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Matthew Blackman with Stifel. Please go ahead.

[Mathew Blackman, Managing Director at Stifel Financial]

Good afternoon, everybody. Thanks for taking our questions. I've got two. Maybe to start, Sean or Stephen, you both, I think, echoing what Matt said, tackled that pharmacy mix impact well. So appreciate that color.

[Mathew Blackman, Managing Director at Stifel Financial]

I think the one question I have still is why are you confident in this now explicit 22% to 25% range? What kind of visibility do you have on that mix? And how much control do you have over whether a pharmacy a script goes through DME or through pharmacy? And then I've got one follow-up on the sales force.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah. We have pretty good visibility. So, we signed, I think I'll just remind you kind of the framework of how this works for you to ultimately get coverage turned on for a patient to be able to be reimbursed through the pharmacy channel. First, you have to sign PBM contracts, and then there's some selling that gets done at the plan level. And all those decisions get made at a future date.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

So there's really like three stages to turning on pharmacy coverage. And because we are in discussions with PBMs with plans involving both of those elements of the process, we actually do have some pretty good visibility. Now that said, there can be slight deviations from quarter to quarter, because our sample size is relatively small. But the reason that we see, or forecasting some upward momentum in the pharmacy adoption through the rest of the year is because we're aware of some information for when we expect certain plans to turn on the islet as a pharmacy benefit. And so, I would say our visibility is actually reasonably strong.

[Mathew Blackman, Managing Director at Stifel Financial]

I really appreciate that.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Matt's question there was how do we control which channel the script goes through?

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah, yeah.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

So, every single prescription for the islet ends up getting sent to Beta Bionics. And at which time Beta Bionics then checks to see if a patient is covered in the pharmacy benefit. If they are, so we have a tool that allows us to do that. If they are covered in the pharmacy benefit, we send the patient to get reimbursed through pharmacy. And that prescription is filled through a mail order pharmacy.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

If the patient is not covered in pharmacy, we then send them to DME. So that just reiterates the points that we've now said on the call. And it's a good question, but this is why when we say that the pharmacy is our preferred channel, and then we send every patient that we can through the pharmacy, we actually do control all those that patient volume. And so every and every patient who is covered in pharmacy benefits from it. So, we check all the patients for pharmacy if they're covered, we send them there.

[Mathew Blackman, Managing Director at Stifel Financial]

Got it. Thank you for that. And the question I have on the sales force, you sort of touched on it a little bit, but up to 63 from 43 at the end of twenty four. Just to be clear, are all those 20 incremental territories now up and running in the second quarter? And then a couple of follow I don't think so, but okay, so thank you on the yes.

[Mathew Blackman, Managing Director at Stifel Financial]

I doubt there was any, but was there any 1Q dislocation with the expansion of the sales force with maybe the existing territories? And the final question is, how are you thinking about layering in these new territories as those reps ramp to productivity? Are they layered in, in the back half of 2025? Or is it really in 2026, a nine to twelve month productivity curve that we should start to visibly see them contribute to the top line? Thanks so much.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah. So dislocation, Matt, sorry to clarify, but what do you mean by the dislocation point? I just want to make sure I don't misanswer that.

[Mathew Blackman, Managing Director at Stifel Financial]

Yeah. So sometimes when you expand the sales force, there is the eyes get taken off the balls, things slip through the cracks. And now typically, that's when you're slicing up territories, which you're not doing here. But anytime I think in med tech, we hear Salesforce expansion.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah.

[Mathew Blackman, Managing Director at Stifel Financial]

You automatically think the worst.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

So no dislocation. I look on balance what you said is true about the net, the 20 new territories are on and are being added to areas where there wasn't already an existing sales rep. But sometimes there's certainly places where we did cut a territory, let's say. And so that's not always, that statement isn't always true. In terms of like the time to productivity, we'll start seeing this new 20 sales territory start generating revenue immediately in the second quarter.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

So now the time to productivity, I've never formally answered that question in terms of like, when we expect a territory to become fully productive. And I won't answer that here. It doesn't take quarters for a territory to kind of get up and running so that they start creating any demand at all. Now, these territories are now in place, they're trained and they're actually selling for us in the second quarter.

[Mathew Blackman, Managing Director at Stifel Financial]

Great.

[Mathew Blackman, Managing Director at Stifel Financial]

Thank you, Stephen. I'll get back

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

to Good

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

questions, Matt.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Sourav Esteed with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

[Travis Steed, Managing Director - Equity Research at Bank of America]

Hey, thanks for taking the question and congrats on the good quarter. Guess the first question I had is now that you're kind of 63 territories, the awareness of islet is getting out there. Any change in kind of what you're seeing within your doctors and prescribers and the uptake of islet, how they're using it? And also like seeing penetration move, like within your own doctors and then also kind of adding new prescribers. Just kind of curious how the awareness of the products kind of playing out?

[Travis Steed, Managing Director - Equity Research at Bank of America]

And then I had a follow-up.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah, question, Travis. I think what we're seeing evolve is that, you know, when you first launch a product, you're necessarily going to get niched in some level. Right? Nobody ever launched a product in this industry and somebody just looked at it and said, yeah, I'm gonna use that on absolutely everybody. It hasn't happened one time that I'm aware of, and I've been in the industry a while.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

So they're gonna find that area where they need to try it out. And I think iLib was no different, right? And we know that at some level we get used on some of the harder patients. And, you know, patients previously been unable to be successful in other therapies. But what we've been able to do, and we've alluded to this several times now, is share that success of, you know, the average A1C drop from X to Y.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

I think on the last call we shared what we considered our fully closed loop experience and and the shocking reductions in in GMI that we saw on that. And when we can share that on a clinic by clinic basis or a doctor by doctor basis and say, doctor, these are this is your experience with the islet. Say, holy smokes. It's really working well. And there's no real reason that if it's working well on my harder patients, it really shouldn't work at least as well on my easier ones.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

And so I think there's an understanding of that going on. But at the same time, as we increase our Salesforce size, we increase the accounts that we're calling on, we're gonna see that also start the other direction in those new accounts. Right? So we say, okay. Well, now it's my first time using the iLET.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

I understand it's out there, but I haven't tried it before. And then they try it on some of the harder patients. And then we have to get that physician or account to move down the spectrum or what have you and get islet to be more broadly accepted. But I think we're clearly seeing that at some level. And again, the clinical data that we're able to share does indicate it.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

And as we mentioned, we are we're excited to share that real world evidence data more broadly at our Analyst Day in June at EDA. And I will remind everybody that the majority of people in The United States, roughly eighty percent, have an A1c over seven percent, so not meeting A1c goal. And historically, these are the people that we've considered to be the harder patients. So, being niched, know, an eighty percent group is something that we're very happy to start with. And if we progress into the entire population, well, that's just even better.

[Travis Steed, Managing Director - Equity Research at Bank of America]

Great. Thanks for that. And then, Sean, I guess the follow-up one would be on the patch pump. I'm not sure if there's any milestones you could share on progress you're making there. Just wanted to make sure there was nothing else on that.

[Travis Steed, Managing Director - Equity Research at Bank of America]

And then, Stephen, a modeling question. We are putting on the DME revenue and patient revenue in the models and it looks like there was a tick down in revenue per patient in the DME side this quarter versus the prior few quarters. I'm not sure if there's something to call out there. We can follow-up offline if there's something that we're missing.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah, let's take those one at a time. And Travis, that's fast work on that second one. That's good fast math. I like that. I'm going let Steven take that one.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

On the patch pump, no, I'm sorry, we won't share any additional color on that project. We did reiterate our prior guidance of commercial launch by the end of twenty twenty seven. And then, as I mentioned, we look forward to sharing that product in more detail at the Analyst Day in June so we can get a little hands on with it and see how it works and what the intent is and and provide some more color around my statement today, which is that we do expect it to, on balance, be an easier user experience as compared to a fully disposed fully disposable form factor. So, looking forward

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

to that one. Steven?

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah, and just to be clear, at that ADA event that Sean just referenced, we'll do a full demonstration of it. So, it's not just some slides with some updated visuals. We intend to show you exactly what the merits of it are.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Exactly.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

So, in terms of why you're seeing that trend, Travis. So, the distributors ended Q4 with more DME inventory on their shelf than they did in Q1. So said another way, was a little bit of lumpiness, which there's nothing to read into here, but it's just so it kind of happens the nature of the industry that we're in. But there was a larger spread between new patient starts and number of islets sold to distributors in Q4 than what there was in Q1.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

So that's really the reason.

[Travis Steed, Managing Director - Equity Research at Bank of America]

Okay.

[Travis Steed, Managing Director - Equity Research at Bank of America]

Thanks for that.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

We're just giving aspect of orders.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

I mean, aspect of orders and there's nothing I wouldn't call like a prediction of what we'll see in the next quarters either. I think we'll just sort of experience a little lumpiness like that. That will get minimized as the revenue for our business tends grows over time. But for the time being, yeah, did make an impact in the comparative periods.

[Travis Steed, Managing Director - Equity Research at Bank of America]

Is there likely a catch up next quarter? So, it's like, if it's under this quarter, it goes higher next quarter. Is that too simplistic?

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Not always true. I mean, there's a world where distributors end this end Q2 at the same level of inventory that they did at the end of Q1, in which case, we wouldn't see any difference there comparing the two periods. But if the end of Q2 distributors end the quarter with the similar inventory level they did from Q4, yeah, there's some tailwind in Q2.

[Travis Steed, Managing Director - Equity Research at Bank of America]

Okay. Thank you.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yep.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Jonathan Jeff with Baird. Please go ahead.

[Jeffrey Johnson, Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co]

Thank you. Good afternoon, guys. Just a couple of quick follow-up questions, if I could. First one, just on the hold on. Sorry.

[Jeffrey Johnson, Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co]

Feel like I'm losing my train of thought here just I'm sitting in the airport.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Hang in there.

[Jeffrey Johnson, Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co]

What was I I know. I'm trying to remember what I was even gonna ask here. Hold on. Oh, know what it was. Just on the gross margin line, so you came in a little bit below.

[Jeffrey Johnson, Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co]

Obviously, that's the move to pharmacy. So much of the value of your patients is in year two, three and four. Do you have any on the 19,000 pumps that you've placed so far, any early indication on attrition rates? So far your pump supply revenue seems to be coming in a little bit better than we had expected. It would suggest to me maybe the attrition rate is a little lower than I had been modeling.

[Jeffrey Johnson, Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co]

But just any early indication on the attrition rate would be helpful. Thanks.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah, sure. Look, you're not gonna love my answer here. So just disclaimer, but we won't be sharing the actual attrition rate in the pharmacy channel or in the DME channel for that matter for a few reasons, including the competition doesn't. But I guess just embedded in the statement, we have perfect access to that So I know what our attrition rate is every month, of course, in both channels DME and pharmacy and embedded in my statements of the pharmacy being our preferred revenue channel is my understanding of the attrition rate and my confidence that it's accretive to Beta Bionics financially in the medium and long term because of that. And so, I guess I'll just have to leave it there that, yeah, we're seeing strong attrition at the moment or strong retention.

[Jeffrey Johnson, Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co]

All right, fair enough. And there's some noise in the background, so I'll drop there. Thanks.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Thanks, Jeff.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Cohen with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

[Jeffrey Cohen, MD - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc]

Hi, Sean and Susan. Thanks for taking our questions. I guess we wanted to focus on clinical work for our two questions. Firstly, on the bridging study, can we talk about what we may see this year? You did mention inpatient and outpatient numbers as far as the study is ongoing.

[Jeffrey Cohen, MD - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc]

Then secondly, could you talk about the timeline and expected size on this label expansion trial for type two?

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

All right, there's a couple of questions embedded in that, Jeff. Let me start with the bridging study. The bridging study is primarily a pharmacokinetic pharmacodynamic study or PKPD. So as such, we won't have device outcomes from that because what we're looking at is the way that our glucagon candidate impacts blood sugar over time as compared to historical glucagon. So, the idea why it's considered bridging is that if this glucagon candidate reacts or causes the body to react in the same way as previous glucagon that we used in our formative trials, that we'd expect the device to work in the same way as well.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

So, that basically says all the data to date can be bridged to the new glucagon. That being said, that trial has begun. We didn't state anything beyond that, and I won't at this time. But I will say that historically, we've shared that the cadence here is going to be bridging study followed by pivotal trials, and there is more than one, but they're anyway, similar, followed by the NDA and 510Ks on the product. So this gives us an idea of where we're at at that point.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

And then timeline on any type two label expansion, I think we're going to continue to not comment on that one for any number of reasons. But primarily, we're well, yeah, maybe just leave

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

it at that.

[Jeffrey Cohen, MD - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc]

Okay, perfect. And one more brief one for us. As far as the size of the commercial organization, will you update us quarterly? Are you planning on more ads throughout Q2 to Q4 for this year?

[Jeffrey Cohen, MD - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc]

Or is this an annualized decision when you talk about adding 20 in the first quarter?

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah, I'm going to not share an expectation or communicate an expectation on whether we'll expand the size of the field team through the remainder of the year. But we'll continue to share at the end of each quarter how many territories we have.

[Jeffrey Cohen, MD - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc]

Super. Okay, I got it. Thanks for taking our questions.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah, Jeff, as always.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Looks like we have one more from Brooks, right?

[Operator]

Yes. Your final question comes from the line of Brooks O'Neil with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

[Brooks O'Neil, Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC]

Thank you very much, and congratulations on a terrific first quarter. I just have a couple to finish up here. First is you guys are the only ones integrated with Abbott Libre three. I'm just curious if you'd comment on whether you see any meaningful impact on new patient starts that's tied to the Abbott Libre three device.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

It's a great question, Brooks. Now, I'll take a page from Steven's playbook and say, I'll probably frustrate you with my answer. Given that we are partnered with multiple CGM players, I think it's our policy to not discuss the relative weighting of our CGM adoptions between those players. Said another way, we're going to let the CGM guys battle it out, and we're going to be very happy to support all of them. With that being said, we're extremely, thankful to Avid for partnering with us on the Libre three.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Certainly one great sensor, as is the Dexcom, and, it certainly matters to our business, as does the Dexcom sensor. So if that was a middle of the road answer, then I got it right.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

And just to reiterate what I said earlier, I mean, Q1 was a strong quarter partially because we had some new product launches. And one of those new product launches was Libre three in the fourth quarter. So that did contribute to a strong quarter.

[Brooks O'Neil, Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC]

Sure. That's helpful, Steve. Thanks a lot. Last question I had was, you talked quite a bit about the pharmacy and the economics and dynamics. And I'm just curious, when you say that for you guys, you're highly confident that it's going to be meaningfully accretive in the medium and long term, and you comment that the patient's out of pocket is meaningfully lower, On one level, I assume that means that the payers are paying more, and yet you comment that they're very enthusiastic about adoption.

[Brooks O'Neil, Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC]

And I'm just, I would love to get any color you can offer in terms of how that dynamic works out. Because my experience, the payers are pretty sensitive to their out of pocket costs.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah, understood. So yeah, it is meaningfully accretive to Beta Bionics in the medium and long term. And at month 11, we actually generate in the aggregate a larger amount of revenue in the pharmacy channel than the DME channel. Like, if you just compare again, cumulative revenue from a patient who would start in DME versus pharmacy. So, what does that mean?

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yes, that means that a payer over the course of a four year period would pay more for the islet than they in pharmacy than they would in DME. However, here's why the payers like it. Number one, there's two primary reasons. Number one, in DME patients do find a way at times to switch from pump to pump. And it's left to the DME distributors and the D or not the DME distributors, but the DME payers to police this four year warranty element of their business, meaning preventing patients from getting another pump if in DME, if they've gotten one within the last four years.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Well, that's actually kind of a challenging system for DME payers to police. And so they found ways to do it, but patients also find different ways sort of around that mechanism. So that's the first reason is it's avoid sort of this system that I think is maybe frustrating for the payers to police themselves. The second is that, look, I think it's well known that having patients on insulin pumps, in particular AID automated insulin delivery pumps does great things for patient outcomes for patient health outcomes. And so payers actually believe that having more patients on a, and this is true.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Think in the data that having more patients on insulin pumping reduces a patient's overall cost to the system for someone that has diabetes. And so payers again, want more patients on insulin pumping and they see a path to more patients using them. If these products can be made at a lower cost and an easier system to access, which is the pharmacy reimbursement system. So for those two reasons, we found that payers are certainly welcoming pay as you go business model in the pharmacy channel relative to DME.

[Brooks O'Neil, Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC]

Great. It's a good explanation, Steven. I appreciate it. And it's good to hear that the payers are actually doing the right thing in this case.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah, they've

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

been great partners, Brooks.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Yeah, they have been. And good question, Brooks.

[Brooks O'Neil, Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC]

Thank you very much.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

It looks like we have one more.

[Operator]

Your last question comes from the line of Kelly Close with Close Concerns. Please go ahead.

[Kelly L. Close, Founder & President at Close Concerns]

Thank you. We were wondering, as you think about the type two market, do you think there's more opportunity in the number of patients who are already on basal and maybe they're on GLP-one, but they still can really use more help with their glycemic management, or the ones who maybe are actually on MDI, but that's such a challenging thing for clinicians to manage, and they would benefit so much more from pump therapy, especially pump therapy that's easier and so much more convenient. Thanks so much.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Great question, Kelly. Definitely a perspective and, you know, we'll see how this plays out over the long run. I think first of all, I'm not a position, but if I were, I think I would be looking at potential users who most closely matched the current users of a particular technology because it's closer to what I'm familiar with. Meaning, I'll translate that. You know, obviously, there's a huge percentage of type two users today who are on intensive insulin therapy, and those patients are really being managed just the way type ones are as we know.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

So that's a natural entry of of pumps into the type two space. What they can additionally do in the basal only or in the GLP-one or what have you, at least at some level remains to be seen, and I think we're interested to see that. But the intensive insulin therapy market in type two is quite large today, and I think certainly would benefit by entry of a product that is effectively specifically designed for users like that. For the reasons you mentioned, Kelly, that it is a very difficult therapy to follow, MDI is. So I would probably start on that end, but we shall see what ends up happening.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

And thanks for the question.

[Kelly L. Close, Founder & President at Close Concerns]

Thanks, everyone.

[Operator]

That concludes our Q and A session. I will now turn the call back over to Shan Sink for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

[Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Well, thanks, everybody, today. We really appreciate your time on our Q1 twenty twenty five earnings call, and we hope we put up some good numbers this quarter, and we look forward to keeping that going headed forward. So thank you.

[Stephen Feider, CFO at Beta Bionics, Inc]

Thanks, everybody.

[Operator]

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.

Participants

Executives

• Blake Beber, Head - Investor Relations
• Sean Saint, Board Member, President & CEO
• Stephen Feider, CFO

Analysts

• Matt O'Brien, Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies
• Mike Kratky, Senior Managing Director - Medical Devices & Technology at Leerink Partners
• Mathew Blackman, Managing Director at Stifel Financial
• Travis Steed, Managing Director - Equity Research at Bank of America
• Jeffrey Johnson, Senior Research Analyst at Robert W. Baird & Co
• Jeffrey Cohen, MD - Equity Research at Ladenburg Thalmann & Co. Inc
• Brooks O'Neil, Senior Research Analyst at Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC
• Kelly L. Close, Founder & President at Close Concerns