IPG Photonics Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 29, 2024

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to IPG Photonics Third Quarter 2024 Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded and webcast. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Eugene Fedotov, IPG's Senior Director, Investor Relations for introductions. Please go ahead with your conference.

Speaker 1

Thank you and good morning everyone. With me today is IPG Photonics' CEO, Doctor. Mark Guine and Senior Vice President and CFO, Tim Momin. Let me remind you that statements made during the course of this call that discuss management's or the company's intentions, expectations or predictions of the future are forward looking statements. These forward looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause the company's actual results to differ materially from those projected in such forward looking statements.

Speaker 1

These risks and uncertainties are detailed in IPG Photonics' Form 10 ks for the period ended December 31, 2023, and our reports on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Copies of these filings may be obtained by visiting the Investors section of IPG's website or the SEC's website directly. Any forward looking statements made on this call are the company's expectations or predictions as of today, October 29, 2024 only, and the company assumes no obligation to publicly release any updates or revisions to any such statements. For additional details on our reported results, please refer to the earnings press release, earnings call presentation and the financial data workbook posted on our Investor Relations website. We will also post these prepared remarks on our website after this call.

Speaker 1

With that, I'll now turn the call over to Mark.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Eugene, and good morning, everyone. Our Q3 revenue came in at the high end of our guidance adjusted for the sale of our Russian operations in August. Adjusted earnings per share also came in at the top end of the guidance. We continue to focus on what we can control while navigating a demand environment that has remained muted. Since joining in June, I focused on diving deep into key aspects of IPG's business and strategy.

Speaker 2

We're making good progress executing on our key initiatives and I'm even more excited about our future opportunities than when I joined. I'll share a few highlights. I will start with the sale of our Russian operations. As I mentioned on our last call, our team has done a tremendous job since the start of the war in Ukraine, executing flawlessly to serve the needs of our customers by quickly rebuilding our manufacturing infrastructure to ensure we did not miss a single shipment. This was not an easy task.

Speaker 2

This quarter, we were finally able to completely exit Russia with the sale of our operations in the country. With this transition now in the rearview mirror, we are focusing on optimizing our global manufacturing footprint to drive better efficiency while ensuring enough capacity for an uptick in demand in future quarters. In addition, we are working to decrease the cost of our products with a new generation of laser diodes that will also enable a significant reduction in the form factor of our high power fiber lasers. 2nd highlight is our announcement today that we signed an agreement to acquire CleanLaser, a leader in laser cleaning systems based in Germany. IPG has a strong track record of driving the usage of lasers in new applications and solutions and this remains a key part of our growth and differentiation strategy.

Speaker 2

This tuck in acquisition advances our capabilities in the large and attractive cleaning market where we see a lot of opportunities. It will enable us to expand the use of labor more quickly into this area. The acquisition highlights our focus on long term growth. I'll talk more about how Cleanlaser fits this IPG business shortly. My review of the business confirms the strength of our product pipeline, technical know how and future market opportunities.

Speaker 2

We have work to do to execute on these opportunities and we're going to be investing in a number of key areas. We will make sure we're allocating resources to capitalize on high value programs in areas such as medical, cleaning and micro machining and also strengthening the organization to ensure that we are optimized to execute on these opportunities. We have a robust product pipeline that presents attractive opportunities to drive differentiation around lasers and systems and to deliver complete solutions, process know how and world class support to our customers. All of this cannot be easily replicated by competitors. Our focus will remain on providing a high level of service and support, maximizing uptime and lowering the total cost of ownership for our customers.

Speaker 2

On the organization front, we need to get stronger to ensure we are executing at a high level. This includes how we drive decisions, efficiency throughout the organization and our go to market approach. We will be making some investments here and I'll provide more color on in future calls. But the main theme is that we are going to be stronger operators and more formidable competitors as we exit the current demand downturn. Because of the prolonged down cycle in the industrial market that we're facing, we need to make sure that we're managing with agility as we invest for the long term.

Speaker 2

Over the past few months, we've achieved additional cost efficiencies and implemented cost avoidance initiatives and more recently executed a targeted headcount reduction. We expect to reallocate these savings to opportunities that will drive long term growth for IPG. I'll have more to share on all the initiatives underway in coming months. But for now, let me make it clear that we are moving purposefully and operating with agility as we put IPG in a strong position both for demand recovery and for long term growth opportunities in our industry. And we are starting this from a solid foundation with great products, customer relationships, strong cash flow generation one of the industry's best balance sheets, including $1,000,000,000 in cash and no debt.

Speaker 2

Let's now turn to the current business environment. Overall demand continues to bounce along the bottom. Customer conversations indicate a cautious spending environment across many markets driven by economic and political uncertainty and reduced end market demand in the key areas of general manufacturing and e mobility. Our Q4 guidance reflects a continuation of this trend and we currently don't have any visibility into an improved demand environment. Turning to our key applications.

Speaker 2

In welding, revenue decreased modestly year over year, primarily due to lower demand for e mobility in China. Despite the year over year comparison remaining negative, it's important to note that welding sales have been relatively stable over the last three quarters and that there are several good signs of progress for IPG. We're winning business with some large global customers in EV and general automotive applications and driving further adoption of our welding solutions. Our real time weld monitoring system is gaining acceptance with automotive and non automotive customers where well quality is critical for safe performance of their products. Additionally, EV sales improved sequentially, which demonstrates we are gaining market share in EV applications despite a downturn in battery capacity installations.

Speaker 2

I'm also encouraged to see growth in our welding system sales with both automated systems and handheld posting better year over year results. Welding systems for medical device manufacturing are gaining traction around the world and we're seeing strong demand for our solutions in this market. We're having great conversations with important customers that indicate a favorable longer term adoption curve and we're well positioned for further gains. Overall, across welding applications, we continue to focus on the total solution for customers by providing best in class lasers, in line real time weld monitoring and full automation to solve customers' manufacturing challenges. In cutting, sales declined significantly year over year, primarily in Europe and U.

Speaker 2

S. As flat sheet cutting remains weak. Amid an environment of weaker manufacturing PMI, our customers have not resumed normal purchasing activities, although some of them have made progress working down inventories. On a positive note, I continue to be enthusiastic about our opportunities in the growth areas where fiber lasers can replace incumbent technologies. That's the reason behind the CleanLaser acquisition as we look to increase our penetration into industrial cleaning applications.

Speaker 2

Cleaning is an important opportunity because traditional cleaning applications often rely on high levels of environmentally unfriendly consumables such as acids and abrasives that must be disposed of. The processes may also involve high water consumption. By contrast, laser cleaning systems are environmentally friendly with limited or no process waste and have a compelling total cost of ownership. Clean laser has a strong foothold in Europe as a long time leader in the cleaning space. We have a wide array of customers in industries such as automotive, aerospace, medical, food and other markets.

Speaker 2

This is a great example of a targeted and prudent approach you will see us take in M and A activity. We've known the CleanLaser team and have supplied our laser sources to them for a number of years. Our businesses are complementary in many ways, bringing together our respective strong customer bases in North America and Europe as well as product and technology synergies. We believe that together we can help accelerate the adoption of laser systems and industrial cleaning. Tim will provide some more details on the structure of the deal and its financial impact.

Speaker 2

I want to emphasize that I'm extremely excited about a number of products and technologies in development. So we will be doubling down on some of them over the next couple of years. While it's too early to share the details, I believe these products can provide significant differentiation for IPG and medical, micromachining and advanced applications, all of which provide large and attractive market opportunities for us. Moving to our outlook, our Q3 book to bill was 1 excluding Russian sales. As I mentioned earlier, we continue to believe that we are bouncing along the bottom of this demand cycle.

Speaker 2

Across our geographies, we've seen some stability in demand in China offset by continued macro uncertainty in Europe and U. S. We have limited visibility beyond the current quarter, but are remaining hopeful for more stability in 2025. With that, I will now turn the call over to Tim.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Mark, and good morning, everyone. My comments will generally follow the earnings call presentation, which is available on our Investor Relations website. We'll start with the financial review on Slide 5. Revenue in the Q3 was $233,000,000 a decline of 23% year over year and down 8% sequentially when adjusted for Russian revenue, which was $7,000,000 in the quarter. Revenue came in at the top of our guidance.

Speaker 3

Foreign currency did not have a meaningful impact on revenue this quarter. Revenue from materials processing applications decreased 22% year over year, primarily due to lower cutting sales, while revenue from other applications decreased 28% due to unevenness in medical and advanced application sales. GAAP gross margin was 23.2%, a decrease of over 20 percentage points year over year, primarily due to excess inventory provisions, which provided a 12.8 percentage point headwind to GAAP gross margin this quarter. Adjusted gross margin was 36%, above the midpoint of our guidance. Additionally, lower absorption of manufacturing costs as a result of lower revenue and our continued effort to right size inventory reduced gross margin by 6 60 basis points.

Speaker 3

These negative impacts to gross margin were partially offset by a decrease in import duty and shipping costs as well as a further decrease of $5,000,000 in sequential manufacturing expenses. Most of the decrease increase in inventory provisions was related to excess quantities of strategic electronic and diode components. The provision related to the electronic components was driven by the severe issues that affected the electronic supply chain over the past several years, which resulted in significant purchases of these items as a strategic backup. Given the slowdown in our business and unsuccessful attempts to sell the electronic inventory in the secondary market, the realizable value of these items is now uncertain. Provision for excess diode components is a result of the transition from the current generation of diodes to the new more cost effective high power platform.

Speaker 3

Although this transition will happen over the next 12 to 15 months, our analysis shows that we will not consume all the existing inventory. Operating expenses came in at the low end of our expectations due to the sale of our Russian business and focus on operating efficiencies. Currency translation had a minor impact on revenue and gross profit in the quarter of approximately $1,000,000 Currency transaction losses had a negative impact on operating income of $1,000,000 or $0.02 per share. GAAP operating loss was $253,000,000 had included $198,000,000 loss on sale of assets related to the disposal of our Russian operations and $27,000,000 in asset impairment charges due to recent EU trade controls, which curtailed our ability to operate in Belarus. We are currently evaluating strategic options related to this business.

Speaker 3

As a result of these items, we reported a net loss of $234,000,000 or $5.33 per diluted share. Excluding loss on sale of assets, asset impairment charges and excess inventory provisions, our adjusted EPS was $0.29 in the 3rd quarter at the top of our guidance. We have provided a reconciliation to adjusted net income and adjusted earnings per share in the press release and earnings call presentation. Moving to the revenue performance by region on Slide 6. Sales in North America decreased 20% year over year due to lower sales in cutting applications and a decline in medical revenue.

Speaker 3

Our medical orders from a large customer can fluctuate significantly quarter over quarter due to their inventory management practices adding some unevenness to these revenues. Other applications perform better with growth in welding and marking. EV investment is being delayed in the region, but traditional automotive investments seem to be bouncing back slightly. In Europe, sales decreased 29% compared to the prior year due to lower sales and cutting applications. Large cutting OEM customers continued to manage their inventories with only low order rates as economic conditions in Europe continued to be weak and industrial demand remains muted.

Speaker 3

Revenue in China decreased 27% year over year due to lower sales in cutting and welding applications as a result of soft demand in general industrial and e mobility markets, which was partially offset by growth in 3 d printing applications. Cutting sales were also impacted by the challenging competitive environment. Moving to a summary of our balance sheet and cash flow on Slide 7. We ended the quarter with cash, cash equivalents and short term investments of $1,000,000,000 and no debt. Cash provided by operations was $66,000,000 and capital expenditures were $23,000,000 during the quarter.

Speaker 3

We continued to generate cash from inventory as we manage our investment in working capital. The proceeds received from the divestiture of our Russian operations resulted in a net cash outflow of $25,000,000 We spent $74,000,000 on share repurchases in the 3rd quarter $286,000,000 year to date. While maintaining a strong balance sheet, we have returned a significant amount of capital to shareholders through share repurchases since the beginning of 2021. As mentioned earlier, we signed a definitive agreement to acquire CleanLaser for approximately $75,000,000 Moving to our outlook on Slide 9 for the Q4 of 2024, we expect revenue of $210,000,000 to $240,000,000 The revenue guidance range is similar to the last quarter, but after for adjusting for Russian sales, reflects an increase in the revenue guidance range of $10,000,000 sequentially. The 4th quarter gross margin is estimated to be between 35% 38%.

Speaker 3

We anticipate delivering earnings per diluted share in the range of $0.05 to $0.35 with approximately 44,000,000 diluted common shares outstanding. Let me provide additional guidance on the financial impact of the divestitures and acquisitions. The sale of Russia is expected to reduce our revenue by approximately $40,000,000 on an annual basis, but should have a neutral impact on operating income as the business was running at approximately breakeven after the restructuring. Our total operating expenses will come down as a result of the sale, but the decrease will be partially offset by our annual merit increase. Furthermore, we will continue to invest in research and development and sales and marketing to support technology development and closer collaboration with customers.

Speaker 3

The announced acquisition of CleanLaser is expected to close in the Q4, pending regulatory approvals and is not a part of our guidance. We expect this acquisition to add approximately $30,000,000 to revenue in the 1st year. It will be approximately neutral to GAAP operating income due to accruals for earn outs based on future growth and profitability targets for the business. As discussed in the Safe Harbor passage of today's earnings press release, our guidance is based upon current market conditions and expectations, assumes exchange rates referenced in our earnings press release and is subject to risks outlined in the Safe Harbor and the company's reports with the SEC. With that, we'll be happy to take your questions.

Speaker 1

Thank you. We'll now

Operator

be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question is coming from Ruben Roy from Stifel. Your line is now live.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Hi, Mark and Tim. Thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to start, Mark, with maybe drilling into the comment on no visibility of an improved demand environment a bit, in the context within the context of the book to bill, getting back to 1 here, maybe you could talk about linearity of bookings or geography of the improvement from last quarter on the bookings front to this quarter or sort of how you're thinking about that maybe just in a little bit more of a specific specifically on other geographies or end markets, applications, etcetera?

Speaker 2

Sure, Ruben. Hey, it's great to talk to you and it would be nice to see you next week in Chicago. So on the yes, so again as we mentioned, things have been stabilizing. So if you look at the book to bill, as I mentioned, is now 1. So we're seeing some stabilization there.

Speaker 2

If you look at the areas that we're seeing if you look at the cutting area, right, that's been affected by the macro. So that's been a key piece there. Mostly in China, we're seeing again in the industrial markets, we have PMIs that are continuing to be down. So that's really driving the industrial market and that's been mostly in the effect there has been really mostly in Europe and in North America. Areas that we've seen some real comeback has been on the welding side.

Speaker 2

That's been quite exciting for us. We're seeing some really good progress as we win business in a number of areas, actually both in EV as well as general automotive. So we're seeing that really across the world. We're seeing some of that happening now, again, gaining market share while the overall EV is still draining, is still pulling the market down, we're gaining share in those areas. So really excited about the progress in welding.

Speaker 2

So that gives you some sense. And again, those gains are really

Speaker 3

across the world.

Speaker 4

Very helpful, Marty. Thank you. Can I

Speaker 3

add a bit of color geographically, Ruben? Sure. We saw a little bit of a pickup in bookings in North America. That was good. Europe was flat, so stable.

Speaker 3

China was also pretty stable. Japan was a little bit weaker than we're expecting, but offset by strength in Korea. And then in total, medical buildings were a little bit weaker. We're actually expecting a good quarter on medical revenue coming into Q4. We've got a positive forecast on that.

Speaker 3

So not too much of a mixed bag. General stability across the board, I'd say, but no real momentum. Your question around linearity, I think it's still a difficult environment out there. The bookings were weighted towards the end of the quarter. Some of that you have to look at because you had summer slowdown in Europe and other places in August.

Speaker 3

But yes, you haven't got people pounding at the door at the beginning of the quarter to drop orders on you. So it's still a bit of a struggle, which is why we think we're bouncing along the bottom.

Speaker 4

Very helpful. Thanks for the detail guys. As a follow-up, Mark made the comment that there's some investments coming and Tim you talked about some recent development programs as you're collaborating with customers, etcetera. It seems like a good time to invest as we are in this down cycle. But will there be any implications that we should think about in terms of OpEx maybe beyond Q4?

Speaker 3

Yes. So our guidance on Q4 reflects the benefit related to Russia offset by some increase in expenses related to the merit increase. Next year as we go through our we still want to go through our annual operating plan process, but I'd expect the overall level of expenses for next year to be slightly higher than they are this year given those investments that we want to carry on making on R and D and the selling side of the business and developing customer relationships. I will call out, I think, that we've done some analysis of where we are relative to some of the comps and we're really right in line with the median average on our spending. So we're looking at it in that context and why interming discipline.

Speaker 3

Mark, can you give some additional details? Yes.

Speaker 2

I mean, again, excited about some of these areas, Ruben, and doubling down in some of the R and D areas where we see key areas of growth. I mentioned welding, that's an area that we're continuing to focus on. Of course, the cleaning application that now with the combination with clean laser is exciting, some of the micro material processing. So again, really nice areas to focus in. And then being able to make some improvements in the organization also to continue to get better.

Speaker 2

As Tim mentioned, some work in the go to market, improvements and some investments in sales and service and those pieces that will continue to make us stronger. But again, we're doing that, as Tim mentioned, in a very disciplined way. And you saw that we took some costs out of the organization, as I talked in the prepared remarks. And we'll be reallocating that to cover some of these areas and allow this additional investments.

Speaker 4

Got it. And just one last one, guys, just so I have this straight. Tim, the transition to the high power diodes that are more cost effective over the next 12 to 15 months, nice to see the progress there. Can you remind me what percentage of revenue you were talking about? I think last time we talked, you were saying somewhere around 35%, 45%.

Speaker 4

Is that accurate?

Speaker 3

The transition really those types are going to benefit the high power lasers over time. We're going to continue using the existing lasers on some applications, which are less price sensitive. And we'll initially roll out the newer devices on some of the cutting applications, for example, which will enable us to go to market a bit more aggressively and pass some of the cost benefit on to our customers in a limited way. I'd say on total, I mean, Highpower is still, I think, about 40% of total sales and cuttings about 25 percent of the total revenue, most of which is in the high power spectrum. So initially, it will be that 25% level of revenue and then ultimately as we transition completely through the existing generation, should be benefiting up to 40% plus of the cost of sales.

Speaker 4

Excellent. Thank you very much. See you guys next week.

Speaker 3

Yes. Sure. Thanks, Rubik.

Operator

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Jim Ricchiuti from Needham and Company. Your line is now live.

Speaker 5

Hi, thanks. Wondering if you could give us a sense how big your cleaning business will be with the acquisition of Clean Lazer? I know it's up until now it's been a fairly small part of the business, but it might be helpful.

Speaker 2

Hi, Jim. It's Mark. Great to talk to you again. So we don't break out the cleaning business, but it's in the realm. It's tens of 1,000,000 of dollars.

Speaker 2

And then as we've mentioned, Clean Laser is adding about $30,000,000 Very excited about the area. This is a great area because this is a place where we can really drive the adoption together with CleanLaser, drive the adoption of cleaning in the industrial cleaning markets, which is a tremendously large market. And again, it's just as we've done in welding. It's really moving us from allowing us to penetrate non laser markets with laser and we see large opportunity for growth in that area.

Speaker 5

Got it. And Mark, you've had the opportunity now to evaluate strategies, establish some new objectives to the business. I'm wondering, you talked a little bit about R and D in the pipeline and we'll hear more about that I'm assuming as you said. But I'm wondering whether M and A is going to play a greater role in the future plans of IPG?

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks very much, Jim. We have a great strategy of R and D, great technologies, great programs and that's certainly the primary area of our investment. But as you saw us do, if there's a great M and A opportunity that gives us some additional access to market or gets us to market faster, we're certainly open to doing that as you've seen us do with clean laser. So again, primary is always going to be in the internal programs and driving those, but certainly open to doing M and A when it makes sense and this is a great example of that.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you. Last question for me. Tim, you've given us some parameters in the past that how to think about gross margins at higher revenue levels. There's clearly a lot of moving parts of the business over the past year, but I'm wondering if there's if you might be able to give us just an update as to possibly how to think about gross margins as revenues recover?

Speaker 3

Yes. Jim, I don't think that's really changed at all in terms of the way the model is performing at the moment. So kind of tend to look at what the gross profit is of the products. That remains very strong and relatively stable quarter to quarter. It can change a little bit depending relatively stable quarter to quarter.

Speaker 3

It can change a little bit depending upon mix. And then you're looking at where really your under absorption is relative to that. So if you can continue to maintain that strong gross margin of the product, which is driven by continuing to get the pricing down, your manufacturing efficiencies, pricing you're getting in the market for the product, and then you can start to recover some of the under absorption at the moment, that under absorption was 6 60 basis points. If you can get that down back to a more normal level, so when we were running last year that was 60 basis points lower, it will put you at 42% or 43% revenue 42% or 43% gross margin. In terms of the revenue to get there, the flow through on the model is very strong.

Speaker 3

And I think as you turn back up above 250, you're going to see some a little bit of momentum in that. As you get closer between 250, 260, 270, 280 and towards 300, I'd certainly expect to be above 40% gross margin somewhere in that midpoint between 250 and 300. So nothing's really fundamentally changed on that. I think the other benefit is as we continue to get inventories more under control, part of that's happened this quarter with the disposal of Russia and also the provisions we've made that we actually generated cash out of inventory. As inventory comes down and the days on hand reduce as well, we should see a reduction obviously in the underlying inventory provisions that we're incurring, which should come down to a much more normalized level of 1.5 percent or 1% as compared to say 3%, 3.5% that the underlying inventory provisions have been running at.

Speaker 5

Got it. Thanks very much.

Speaker 3

Thank

Operator

you. Our next question is coming from Keith Housum from Northcoast Research. Your line is now live.

Speaker 5

Good morning, gentlemen. Mark, maybe you can remind us how important Belarus is to the company now. And I

Speaker 3

think you mentioned that you guys are

Speaker 5

going through an analysis there about perhaps next steps based on what's happening with some of the regulations out there. But just I guess some more color on what you're thinking there.

Speaker 2

Yes, absolutely. Thanks for the question. So Belarus was just a supply into the organization. And we more than a year ago, we saw the potential of this issue and all of the supply lines have been covered by others from them. So we've done other outsourcing that covers that.

Speaker 2

So really no risk at all to the business, no risk at all to the supply and we're working on strategic options for that now going forward, but really no effect on the business.

Speaker 5

Got you. I appreciate it. Mark, you've been there a few months now. Obviously, you've got a lot of things that you're looking at in terms of investments and some strategies. I guess, in your mind, what are the top 2 or 3 strategies that you're focused on now, I guess, until the end of the year?

Speaker 2

Yes, sure. I mean, the first thing I would say, and I said this coming in, IPG is a great company. So this is really not about change, it's really about building. IPG has a tremendous foundation, great team, technical know how across lasers, components, systems, applications. And as I stressed last quarter, the process knowledge in the company is tremendous.

Speaker 2

And that allows us to do things like we're doing with CleanLaser where you can actually replace incumbent technologies with laser technology, same as we've done in welding as well. So that's the really big places to grow the business. We've got a great brand in the marketplace, great relationships. And as Tim mentioned, we have a strong balance sheet with $1,000,000,000 of cash and no debt. And we see a number of really excellent growth opportunities, differentiated offerings in in a number of applications.

Speaker 2

Some of these I discussed earlier, we're excited about medical, cleaning, welding, micro machining are some examples. And then to drive this long term value creation, I just want to say we really need to get better at 2 things. The first is sharpening our focus on the highest value R and D programs, some of these I mentioned. And the second is really strengthening the organization to drive better execution. And this is this will have some targeted additions in some areas.

Speaker 2

And we're making really incremental investments, as Tim mentioned, too

Speaker 3

in

Speaker 2

these efforts that we'll talk about these more on future calls. But as we talked about, we're being smart about how we do this, how we execute. We're managing with agility and controlling what we control can control, as I mentioned earlier. We've implemented these manufacturing efficiencies, targeted headcount reductions and such already, and we've got more opportunities there. So again, we've got really, really high confidence to drive this long term value creation.

Speaker 2

Again, on top of the strong foundation, the crate technologies, including that applications process technology that's so critical. And therefore growing growth really opportunities in these differentiated applications. And again, industry's best balance sheet. Tim talked about the cash generation and the leverage through the business model. So kind of putting all of those pieces together, those are some of the key areas that I see us investing in and driving the company forward.

Speaker 5

Okay. If I could squeeze in one more here. The Clean Laser acquisition, one is it's more it sounds like it's more of a systems acquisition as opposed to being laser driven specifically. Is this perhaps a little bit more openness for the organization to move further into systems and not just the laser component?

Speaker 2

So what I'd say there is we need to operate on each of these areas. So again, it's about driving adoption into these non laser markets. So if you look at something like cleaning with clean laser, it's the lasers, but it's really understanding that process and being able to deliver a solution to the customer. So as we understand that process, we're able to then develop better lasers that fit that process, for example, with the right energy profile, right power profile, components that can then scan fast enough, scan faster to be able to, again, clean at the proper speeds and then pulling those together to provide a solution. And we'll be providing lasers in these various markets just like we do in welding, just like we do in cutting.

Speaker 2

We'll be supplying components. We'll be supplying subsystems and systems as needed. Again, it's about the adoption and just playing at the right value point and doing that across the portfolio.

Speaker 5

All right. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank

Operator

you. Our next question is coming from Mark Miller from Benchmark. Your line is now live.

Speaker 6

China has recently announced more stimulus programs. I'm just wondering, do you think that will have a beneficial impact on IPG? And if so, when?

Speaker 2

So I think stimulus programs, there may be areas, for example, in EV. One of the things that we're seeing in China is that the adoption of EVs is becoming faster. So now I think now more than half of all of the vehicles are EV and some of that stimulus may flow into the auto areas and maybe that will continue to drive adoption and flow into some of these factories where some of the EV capacity, EV battery capacity has been a bit stalled, maybe some of that will flow in. I don't know, Tim, if you have other thoughts on that.

Speaker 3

No, specifically, I think we have to watch the PMI data out there, which has continued to be relatively weak. It's not to be relatively weak. It's not really bad, but I think some of the key indicators are the things to watch to see whether that stimulus is creating a bit of momentum in the economy. I think for us, the benefit is that we've seen a more stable business environment over the last couple of quarters. And if we can then build on that with some of that stimulus coming as a bit of a tailwind, it potentially is august for some slightly improved performance.

Speaker 3

I think we're still the Chinese economy still got a lot of challenges behind it. So let's see how much benefit that stimulus can have. But we've got a stable business out there at the moment.

Speaker 2

Yes. And we've seen some uptick in areas like 3 d printing, 3 d manufacturing, the centering of metals where our single mode lasers are such an important part. So that's an area again, it's an industrial piece, it's one particular segment, but as Tim said, hard to pull that to understand that across the whole economy at this point.

Speaker 3

One more point on that is we've heard that actually some of the utilization of some of the largest battery manufacturers has started to pick up meaningfully. So that could be a catalyst coming into some point in the future for a pickup in that demand. And I think our total EV sales in China were slightly up quarter over quarter. Yes. So that's another slightly positive viewpoint.

Speaker 6

Yes. Israel said it's going to be deploying a laser based defense system against missiles and drones. I'm just wondering if you have I know you've done some previous work. Do you have any irons in the fire in terms of development contracts? And what's going on in that area?

Speaker 2

Yes, sure. Can't be specific, but we are we do supply into the overall into that overall market. Our single mode lasers are very high performance and have been an important part of it. Just across the world, there are they are used in those applications, but that's the most that I could say now.

Speaker 6

So you still have ongoing programs there?

Speaker 2

We're still selling lasers into that market. It's not a huge business for us today, but we are we do have irons in those fires.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We've reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over for any further or closing comments.

Speaker 1

Thank you for joining us this morning and for your continued interest in IPG. We'll be participating in a number of industrial events this quarter and are looking forward to speaking with you soon again.

Speaker 3

Have a great day everyone.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.

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Earnings Conference Call
IPG Photonics Q3 2024
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