Equity Residential Q2 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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July 28, 2021

There are 15 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Equity Residential Second Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. And now at this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Marty McKenna. Please go ahead. Good morning, and thanks for joining us to discuss Equity Residential's 2nd quarter 2021 results.

Operator

Our featured speakers today are Mark Correll, our President and CEO Michael Manelis, our Chief Operating Officer and Bob Gerchana, our Chief Financial Officer. Alec Brackenridge, our Chief Investment Officer is here with us as well for the Q and A. Our earnings release as well as a management presentation regarding our results and outlook are posted in the Investors section of equityapartments.com. Please be advised that certain matters discussed during this conference call may constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These forward looking statements are subject to certain economic risks and uncertainties.

Operator

The company assumes no obligation to update or supplement these statements that become untrue because of subsequent events. Now I will turn the call over to Mark Perrell.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Marty, and thanks to all of you for joining us. Today, I will give some brief remarks on our operating trajectory and investment activity, then Michael Manelis will follow with some top level commentary on the current state of our operations And now we see the remainder of the year playing out, followed by Bob Garachana adding color on our guidance changes and balance sheet, and then we'll take your questions. Also as Marty mentioned, we are pleased to have Alec Brackenridge, EQR's Chief Investment Officer available during the Q and A period. For those of you who do not know Alec, he's a 28 year veteran of this company. He literally started work here the day we went public in 1993 and took over as our CIO in 2020.

Speaker 1

As you can see from the release, he and his team have done exceptional work of late on the transaction side. Turning to operations, all of our operating metrics continue to improve at a faster rate than we assumed earlier in the year. We are seeing demand levels well above 2019 in all our markets and this has allowed us to continue growing occupancy while at the same time raising rates. This resulted in the company materially raising annual same store revenue, NOI and normalized FFO guidance. While our quarter over quarter same store revenue and NOI results remained negative, the decline was less than what we And our sequential same store revenue and NOI showed positive growth for the first time since the pandemic began.

Speaker 1

As we have discussed on prior calls, improvement in our reported quarter over quarter same store numbers will lag the recovery in our operating fundamentals as we work these now higher rents and lower concessions through our rent roll. We believe that our business is set up for an extended period of higher than trend growth Beginning in 2022, as we recapture revenue loss due to the pandemic and continue to benefit from strong demand and growing incomes in our target demographic. Also, the more diverse portfolio we are creating should improve long term returns and dampen volatility going On the investment side, we are active buyers and sellers in the 2nd quarter and expect to continue being active capital recyclers. Consistent with what I've said on prior calls, we are allocating capital to places that are attractive to our affluent renter base, including the suburbs of our established coastal markets, as well as Denver and our 2 new markets of Austin and Atlanta. We are making these trades with no dilution, even given higher pricing levels for the properties we are targeting, because we are able to sell our older and less desirable properties at low cap rates and at prices that exceed our pre pandemic value estimates.

Speaker 1

Earlier this month, we reentered the Texas market after an 11 year absence by acquiring 2 well located new assets in Austin, Texas. These properties are located in a desirable area with high housing costs that is equidistant between Downtown Austin and The Domain Hub on the North side. We acquired these two properties for $96,000,000 at approximately a 3.9 percent cap rate and about $195,000 per unit. We expect to acquire a mix of urban and suburban assets In the Austin market. During the Q2 and in July, we acquired 2 properties in Atlanta, Sky House South and Midtown for $115,000,000 with a 3.6% cap rate.

Speaker 1

This is a deal we did previously disclose. And a few days ago, we acquired a second property in Atlanta in the bustling Midtown West neighborhood. We acquired this new property for $135,000,000 And it is about half occupied and once it completes lease up, we expect it will stabilize at a 4.1% cap rate. We also continued adding to our Denver presence by purchasing an asset in the suburban Central Park area of Denver for $95,000,000 This property is located just west of the large and growing Fitzsimmons Medical Campus and draws residents attracted to its access to abundant outdoor amenities. We expect this property, which is also in lease up currently to stabilize at a 4.2% cap rate.

Speaker 1

We're also pleased to add to the portfolio a Property each in the suburbs of Boston and Washington DC. The Boston property is located in Burlington, Massachusetts and is a new asset that we acquired for $134,500,000 at a 4.1% cap rate. This property is in a difficult to build suburb of Boston with high single family housing costs and good access to high paying jobs. The DC asset is located in Fairfax, Virginia It is a 2016 asset that we acquired for $70,000,000 at a 4.3% cap rate. This property is well located With both good highway and good metro access and proximity to the growing job base in Northern Virginia.

Speaker 1

Both the Burlington and Fairfax assets are located in sub Our existing assets have performed particularly well. Year to date, we have bought $645,000,000 of properties We expect to close on another $850,000,000 in acquisitions, a good number of which are in various states of advanced negotiation by the end of the year. We will fund these buys with an approximately equivalent amount of dispositions, mostly from California of older and less desirable assets, which we sold are under contract to sell at significantly above our pre pandemic estimate of value. Turning to development, We put into service and began leasing our newly developed property in Alameda Island, a short ferry ride to the city of San Francisco. Built on the site of a former naval base, this property has terrific views of the skyline and an evolving restaurant in bar scene that we think is attractive to our clientele.

Speaker 1

Over the next few months, we will complete our other 2 current development projects, including the Alcott in Central Boston, the largest development project in the company's history. Early leasing efforts on this project and our development project in Bethesda, Maryland are going well And our current estimates are that these three projects will stabilize at a development yield of approximately 5%, considerably higher than prevailing acquisition cap rates. These properties will be meaningful contributors to NFFO starting in late 2022. We see development as a good complement to our acquisition activities as we spread more of our footprint to the suburbs of our established markets as well as to our new markets. We expect a significant amount of our development activity going forward to be done through joint venture arrangements.

Speaker 1

This allows us to leverage our partners in place sourcing and entitlement teams in locations like our new markets where we do not currently have a development presence. Before I turn the call over to Michael, A big thank you to my colleagues in our offices and properties across the country. You're doing an exceptional job during this particularly busy leasing season, And we're all very proud and grateful. Go ahead, Michael. Thanks, Mark.

Speaker 1

As evidenced by our revised guidance,

Speaker 2

the pace of recovery has been very strong. In both the earnings release and in the accompanying management presentation, we have provided some key performance metrics. Let me highlight a few of the overall trends. So first, we continue to see very good demand for our apartment homes. Our national call center and Ella, our AI leasing agent, are responding to record high levels of inbound interest for our apartments, which is converting into high volumes of self guided tours.

Speaker 2

This overall level of demand continues to drive applications and move in activity that is exceeding move outs and ultimately is delivering stronger than expected recovery in occupancy. Portfolio wide physical occupancy is currently 96.5%, which is back to 2019 levels. San Francisco and Seattle are still trending Slightly below 2019 and Southern California markets are slightly above. At this point, we expect to run the portfolio above 96% through the remainder of the Q3. This strength in occupancy is allowing us to push rate and drive revenue growth.

Speaker 2

Overall, we are more than halfway through the typical peak leasing season and the momentum has been very strong, providing us the opportunity to raise rates, Reduce concessions and grow occupancy. These fundamentals are delivering RV recovery. From March to December of 2020, Pricing trend, which includes the impact of concessions, declined approximately $500 per unit. From January 2021 to today, pricing trend has grown $6.60 and is now not only above prior year levels in all markets, but every market except for San Francisco is also above 2019 Peak pricing trend levels. Today, the portfolio is approximately $100 higher per unit than our peak 2019 levels.

Speaker 2

Our priority has been to test price sensitivity in every market by raising rates and reducing both the value and quantity of concessions being granted. At the end of the Q1, about 20% of applications were receiving on average 4 weeks in concessions. As of July, we are now running with less than 3% of our applications receiving on average just over 2 weeks and we expect this to continue to drop off even further. To give you perspective, the total dollar of concessions granted peaked in the month of February at just north of $6,000,000 for the same store portfolio. For July, We will be at $1,500,000 for the month and August should be less than $750,000 Last week, Only 12 properties had any concessions being offered.

Speaker 2

The percent of residents renewing has stabilized around 55%, which is very much in line with historical averages, but below the record high 60% levels that we had in 2019 early 2020. As you saw in the press release, achieved renewal increase, new lease change and blended rate all continued to improve in July And we expect further improvement through the balance of the year as the comp period becomes more favorable and the business continues to strengthen. As we progress through the remainder of the year, our focus will continue to be to push rates in our markets and manage our renewal negotiations. In our management presentation, we provided color on all of our markets, but I wanted to take a minute to highlight New York and San Francisco Nonexistent in our New York portfolio and declining rapidly in San Francisco. New York is seeing stronger demand right now And we think it is primarily due to greater clarity around employer return to office plans.

Speaker 2

New York employers, Particularly the banks and financial firms have called their employees back to the office and you could feel it in the economic activity in many areas of We see it in our portfolio after 9 consecutive weeks of record application volume. In San Francisco, however, the return to office and reopening is a little more ambiguous. Employers have been slower to call employees back in with many initially targeting after Labor Day. Adding to the uncertainty in San Francisco is the reintroduction of strong recommendations for indoor masking and some delays in reopening, which were announced last week. The situation in San Francisco is likely to lead to a delayed leasing season in that market and a slower full recovery of occupancy.

Speaker 2

That said, occupancy is 95.4% today in San Francisco and is growing as is pricing trend. At this pace, we expect the San Francisco pricing trend to be back to pre pandemic levels by the end of the third quarter. Meanwhile, we are seeing some indicators that we could see an extended leasing season with a second wave of demand in New York, Boston and Seattle. Our leasing teams in these markets have been dealing with prospects that are looking for move in dates in late August September and hearing from them that these moves are in connection with their need to be back in the office or in the case of Boston back on campus. This demand is more robust than historical patterns, which could suggest an extended peak leasing season in those markets and matches up nicely with our lease expirations, which are more weighted towards the back of the year than usual.

Speaker 2

Combining all of the data points I've just shared and those included in the management presentation, we see an unprecedented opportunity To grow sequential revenue over the next several quarters has the impact of better rates, nearly non existing concessions And higher occupancy compound. We acknowledge how badly our operations declined over the last 16 months, But the current recovery appears to be strong enough to both quickly recapture all that was lost in the pandemic and take us into a new period of strong operating fundamentals. Finally, I want to take a minute and give you an update on the government assistance program for renters. As we've discussed on previous calls, approximately $50,000,000,000 in rental assistance for those impacted financially by the pandemic was made available in the various relief bills. We are laser focused on accessing the rental relief funds and are working very closely with our eligible residents to apply for this relief.

Speaker 2

Processing to date has been relatively slow in our markets, But we were able to recover approximately $5,000,000 in the quarter. Bob will provide some color on our Expectations for collections for the remainder of 2021 in his remarks. Let me close by thanking the entire Equity Residential team for their continued dedication and hard work. This pace of recovery would not be possible without them and they remain relentless in taking care of each other and serving our customers. Thank you.

Speaker 2

I will now turn the call over to Bob.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Michael. This morning, I'll cover the changes in 1 guidance that were included in last night's release along with a couple of quick comments on the balance sheet and capital markets. As Michael just discussed, the recovery is well underway and is exceeding our prior expectations for the same store portfolio. The continued Strong operating momentum from this leasing season has led us to raise our annual same store revenue guidance from negative 6% to negative 8% 2 negative 4 percent to negative 5 percent, an improvement at the midpoint of 2 50 basis points. Strong expense controls and favorable real estate tax outcomes, which I will talk about in a moment, also allowed us to reduce our same store expense guidance range to an increase of 2.75 percent to 3.25 percent, resulting in an NOI range of negative 7.5 percent to negative 8.5 percent, which is a 400 basis point improvement at the midpoint relative to our prior guidance.

Speaker 3

Drivers of our revenue guidance increase of 2.50 basis Points are roughly 150 basis points of improving operating fundamentals that Michael just outlined, 60 basis points or $15,000,000 for the full year Before I move on to expenses, a quick comment on our bad debt assumptions. The back half of the year has about $10,000,000 of additional assumed rental assistance collections on top of the $5,000,000 we've already received. We feel very confident about this amount because we either received it in July or after some real digging can see that it is far along in the approval process. There are other resident accounts being worked on, but they are not as far along. Given the lack of transparency and the relative slow processing Speed to date, it is difficult to handicap how much will successfully get processed and whether we will receive these funds in 2021 or it will spill over into 2022.

Speaker 3

On the expense side, we have also seen improvements versus prior expectations, which led us to center the midpoint of expense guidance at 3%, which was the low end of our prior guidance range. This reduction is in part due to the modest growth experienced in Q2 2021 even with a really challenging comparable period from Q2 of 2020. While some expense categories experienced atypicallyhighpercentageworldchangequarteroverquarterduetothis comparabilityissue, overall expenses were less than originally anticipated. Key categories driving the current period and anticipated full year lower were real estate taxes and payroll. Reduction in growth expectations for real estate taxes is primarily driven by lower than forecasted assessed values in some key markets.

Speaker 3

Lower payroll growth expectations are primarily driven by our progress in optimizing staffing utilization as well as higher than usual staffing vacancies. We expect that 2021 will be our 3rd consecutive year of low payroll growth, having delivered a 3 year average below 1%, while keeping other controllable expenses like repairs and maintenance in check. As a result of these same store guidance changes, we raised the midpoint of our normalized FFO from $2.75 to $2.90 A couple of closing comments on the balance sheet and debt capital markets. With the impact of the pandemic on our operations increasingly in the rearview mirror, it is clear that our balance sheet has held up remarkably well. Despite unprecedented pressure on operations, our credit metrics have remained well within our stated net debt to EBITDA leverage policy of between 5.5 times The debt capital markets are also incredibly attractive at the moment for issuers like us.

Speaker 3

This creates opportunities to term out commercial paper with treasuries and credit spreads at or near record lows, the potential of which has been incorporated into our revised guidance With that, I'll turn the call over to the operator for Q and A.

Operator

We will begin with Nick Joseph with Citi.

Speaker 1

Thanks. Maybe we start on the rental assistance. Bob, appreciate all the comments in terms of what was recovered in the Q2 and what's assumed. I understand the desire to be conservative, but can you frame kind of the total opportunity of collecting any of the back rent through these programs?

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks, Nick. So if you look at our disclosure in terms of our total receivables, the gross amount of receivables on the books in Same store portfolio is about $44,000,000 right? So that's and it's almost entirely reserved again. So that's really the Total pie of possibility, if you think about it.

Speaker 3

When you break it down kind of more granularly, we always run with $10,000,000 $11,000,000 worth of receivable or bad debt. So it's probably a number that's a little bit below that. And again, so that leaves probably another 5 to 10 potential long run. The really hard part, as I kind of mentioned in my remarks is, is just the frequency and the process associated with this. So it's a pretty long process.

Speaker 3

Michael's team is all over it. We've gotten the best transparency we could, but it does require both the resident and us to match Information to get it run through the process, and then it takes a while to even after approved, have the Cash kind of come through the door and that's where the volatility arises in the numbers, which we wanted to highlight and be really clear about given what we have in guidance.

Speaker 1

Thanks. That's helpful. And then maybe just on the expansion markets. As you look at the pipeline today and you look at kind of transaction volume broadly across multifamily, particularly in these markets. How quickly do you expect to get to scale And I guess Austin and Atlanta and continue to ramp up in Denver.

Speaker 1

Hey, thanks for that Nick. It's Mark and I'm going to answer a little bit and then I'm going Kick it over to Alec Brackenridge, our CIO, who's on the call. So when we look at the expansion markets, we would suggest to you there'll probably be 1 or 2 more expansion markets, Probably more news to come on that in future quarters. Some of those markets, Atlanta is a particularly large market. Austin is a smaller market, so there's different volumes there.

Speaker 1

So I'm going to kick it over to him to talk a little bit about how long it takes to kind of Create a portfolio that makes sense in those markets. But I want to point out to you that depends also on the sale ability. If we're able to continue to sell properties well, that will fuel the engine to buy properties well. So it depends both on transaction volume in those new markets that Alec will speak to And our ability to continue to dispose as we very successfully done the date of properties at good prices in places like California, New York and DC, where we're trying to lighten

Speaker 4

the load a bit.

Speaker 5

Yes, following up on that and this is Alec. Atlanta is a really robust transactions market And we have great contacts there from the past. I've worked in that market for almost 25 years now. And whether it's joint venture development Or acquisitions, there's a wide range of things we can choose among. And generally, the properties we're looking at are roughly $80,000,000 to $100,000,000 And what we're shooting to do over the next few years is to get to about $2,000,000,000 So 20 ish properties and we think we can achieve that.

Speaker 5

Austin is a smaller city, so that will be more in the $1,000,000,000 range, 10 ish properties, 10 to 12 maybe. But again, we have good feelers. We have a great team that has a lot of in these markets, and that's what we're looking to accomplish.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Now moving to our next question that will come from John Pawlowski with Green Street.

Speaker 3

Thanks a lot for the time. Maybe for Alec or Mark, I know you made the comments in the past that given where replacement costs are, Ground up development doesn't pencil, particularly in Manhattan. Curious, some more stable markets, Boston and D. C, do you think ground up development pencils today?

Speaker 1

We do have some deals we're working on, John. So thanks for that question. It's Mark. And we do think in some cases it does. We've got some deals in the Northeast, a couple that we're likely to start in the next quarter or 2, where on current rents, we're looking at yields around 5 and a little bit higher.

Speaker 1

We like the locations. We have to constantly refresh the portfolio. So I would say right now with us feeling a little better about And we can get into that. It's not that they're not going up, but we have a better handle than maybe we did in the middle of the pandemic. Our sense is that some of this development is going to make some sense to us We are going to do some of it selectively.

Speaker 1

And it's really going to help, I think, get us exposure in some of the suburbs of these established markets And some of these new markets we're trying to enter into.

Speaker 3

Okay. And then last one for me on operations. Michael, Given all the leading indicators you see today, do you think you'll have to ramp up concessions back up in any markets later this year?

Speaker 2

Based on what you see today, I would say no, we do not. There's a couple of areas I will tell you like the South Bay in San Francisco, Which I think I've said on previous calls, just from the volume of new supply being introduced into that submarket and the proximity to some of our properties, I could see a little bit of that pressure from the new supply bringing concessions back to some of the stabilized assets in that submarket. But I don't see us reversing trend right now given the strength of demand that we see. It's really more if the demand stays strong enough to aid the absorption The supply that's coming in the back half of the year, that would be the only thing that could kind of impact the concession use on stabilized assets.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thanks for the time.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Chad.

Operator

Now we will take a question from Rich Hightower with Evercore.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking the questions here. I think as we think about guidance Through the back half of the year, I'm wondering, which market sort of assume a normal path of seasonality And which I think you mentioned a couple which maybe aren't going to be on that normal seasonal path. And then how do we think about that setup for 2022, do you expect all your markets to sort of resemble that normal seasonal path in terms of market rents and so forth?

Speaker 2

Yes. So I think first for the balance of this year, I would look at the Southern California markets and say they're probably kind of going to be More in line with normal seasonal trends. And again, a lot is going to depend on what that strength of demand is. If you have a second wave Demand coming into these markets, that is going to change the profile through the Q4. As you think about next year, we are doing some things now with some lease Terms for the new leases we're writing.

Speaker 2

But again, we saw about a 5% shift. So meaning, we have about a 5% more expirations in the back half Of 2021 that we normally would have otherwise seen. My guess is over the course of 2022 that clearly starts to mitigate back towards A normal pattern. But again, the strength of the Q4 this year could put us in a situation where we'll have more expirations in the Q4 of next So I still think it's a little too early to tell what how fast you're going to get back to a normal profile in the portfolio.

Speaker 7

I guess just to follow-up on it, Michael. There's a lot of drivers of this sort of extraordinary demand going on right now, All right. You've got 2 cohorts of college graduates filling the pipeline. You've got people decoupling from Mom and Dad's basement and so forth. I mean, do you think that's a does that set up a risk next year that there's going to be And air pocket relative to what's happening right now or do you think that's not a reasonable, maybe not an expectation, but a reasonable guess at what might

Speaker 2

I think when you look through our markets, we have such strong demand drivers and fundamentals, Job growth, you have constrained housing. So I don't think this is like pulling future demand Forward right now what we're feeling. This is like our catch up period. And then I think again, a lot is going to depend around what does this second wave look like Demand coming to us in late Q3 and Q4, how strong is that, will play into kind of what we should expect for next year.

Speaker 1

And Rich, it's Mark. Just to build on that, I do think next year, if you recall late in 2019 and very early in 2020, We were doing well. The industry and this company were doing well. We had good solid demand, our own internal statistics, As well as all the stuff we read from the analyst firms we subscribe to, says our residents have kept their jobs, they have good income growth. So So we're going to have the ability, we think, to access that demand, access that income growth and just kind of not just Catch up, which seems like to some extent absent a real reversal in the pandemic, a foregone conclusion that we will get back to where we were.

Speaker 1

We think we're going to keep right on going. And we say that with confidence now again assuming conditions in the economy remain generally supportive Because we saw that great demand in 2019 2020 before the pandemic, I think that demand is still there, job growth is still good and we see that our demographic keeps getting raises, keeps being in demand and the shift to technology into the kind of jobs that make up our resident base continues. So we have a lot of reasons that we feel like This thing will have this big catch up and then it's just going to have this continuation to it. Great.

Speaker 7

Thanks for the comments guys.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Rich.

Operator

Next question will come from Jeff Spector with Bank of America.

Speaker 8

Great. Good morning. Along those lines or similar question, I was going to ask If you can point to maybe something in the past or thoughts on the extended leasing season in 2022, but in particular, Do you think it's a good indicator for renewals? You mentioned you're at 55%, but Mark, to your point, things were really strong pre COVID at around 60%. I was just curious if you how what are your thoughts on extended leasing season and Maybe in a positive way could lead towards higher renewals in 2022?

Speaker 2

Yes, absolutely. I mean, as you keep seeing the strength in demand coming in and you look at the recovery in these markets, You have to assume that we will fall back to kind of that higher retention level, which was renewing 60 Percent of our residents. Right now, we are going to have a little bit of noise as we think about the back half of this year and those residents that moved in with us With concessions moved in, in the second half of last year, came in with concessions at low rates, That's going to put a little bit of pressure on us from a retention perspective in the back half of this year. But again, the strength of the front door Or that demand coming in is strong enough to backfill kind of that pressure on the renewals right now.

Speaker 8

Thank you. And then just one question wanted to clarify dispositions. Mark, you specifically had mentioned California. To confirm, are you thinking of selling similar older assets, lower growth assets in other Parts of the country or just California?

Speaker 5

Hey, Jeff, this is Alec. Yes, we are considering in other markets. We're selling in California right now because the bid is just so hot for it. But as that moves around the country and we think markets like D. C.

Speaker 5

And New York with its improving fundamentals We'll also become hotter investment markets and we'll list properties there and we expect to move some property there.

Speaker 4

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Now we'll move

Operator

to a question from Nick Yaluco with Scotiabank.

Speaker 9

Thanks. Hi, everyone. In terms of the residents that are moving back into the portfolio in a couple of markets such as New York, San Francisco, Can you just give us a feel for what you're learning about those incoming renters? Where did they used to be in the portfolio? Are they Younger, anything sort of about the profile of the renters in those two cities would be helpful.

Speaker 2

Yes. So not a lot of change and I would expand beyond just those two cities in any of our markets, right, when you think about the demographics coming in. And by that, I'm going to refer to not only the age of the new residents that moved in, in the quarter, but also the average household income for those residents. So during the Q2, our average age for move ins was 30 just over 33 years old, Slightly below the historical average for 2nd quarters in previous years that was at 34%, but pretty much right in line. And when you think about the overall affordability index, I've said on previous calls, our range of rent as a percent of income between all of our markets It goes between 17% at the low to 23% at the high.

Speaker 2

And as a portfolio for the move ins that occurred In the Q2, we were just over 19%, and that is very much in line with the historical averages for this portfolio. So I think what you take away from that is our rents clearly have increased sequentially, But so have the average household incomes for the residents that have been moving in. So sequentially, we averaged at 152,000 Dollars was the average household income in the 2nd quarter. That's up from just under $150,000 for move ins in the Q1. So you can kind of see that balancing out.

Speaker 2

And New York and San Francisco really kind of just fall right in line with the statements I just said.

Speaker 9

Okay, great. Thanks. And then in terms of the moves into Atlanta, Austin, I know you talked some About this earlier about creating scale. I guess I'm just wondering if instead there's any potential to Do a larger portfolio transaction across the Sunbelt, maybe work with a developer or Any sort of M and A potential that would be possible to kind of speed up some of that process instead of buying individual assets in some of

Speaker 1

It's Mark. Thanks for the question, Nick. Alec and his team look at everything. So we're certainly open to portfolio transactions and indeed The Austin deals were a portfolio deal effectively. We're kind of bundled together.

Speaker 1

But again, when you start doing large scale transactions, You can end up competing against different groups of people. Some of the deals we've done were off market transactions, but we located them on our own. So we are very open to portfolio transactions. We're open, for example, to OP Unit, operating partnership unit deals, which Often end up being larger deals as well, but we just haven't seen a lot of that offered and a lot of the portfolios we do see Have some assets we like and a lot of assets we don't. So buying them 1 at a time gives us an advantage.

Speaker 1

And M and A is just a totally different conversation, Requires a willing participant on the other side, often the payment of premiums and other things that can make the deal less economically useful. But still, we underwrite that stuff too and think about it as well.

Speaker 9

Okay. Thanks, Mark.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Nick.

Operator

Now we'll take a question from Rich Anderson with SMBC.

Speaker 10

Hey, thanks. Good morning. So When I think about all these building blocks of improving fundamentals that don't yet Kind of matriculate to the bottom line, you still have negative same store growth, of course. But if you were pre pandemic, Sort of 3% -ish, 4% type NOI, same store growth and you're down 8% in the midst of it now or in the tail end of it, hopefully. You Mark talked about the bounce back opportunity.

Speaker 10

Is there any reason mathematically that we wouldn't be talking about a mirror image of that move? So in other words, something like in the range of 10 double digit type of a bounce back in 2022, maybe not Sustainable, but that's the kind of sort of correction that might happen and then we go back to more normal way type of growth in the years afterwards. Is that a reasonable way to

Speaker 1

Hey, Rich, it's Mark. Thanks for the question. Bob may supplement or correct me as needed here. Yes, we're not going to give 2022 guidance, but I think your thought process if conditions continue as Michael has described, The last 2 years we acknowledged 2020 and this year 2021 have been among the worst. There is a lot of reasons to believe 2022 will be among the best years For EQA, if not the best, an exceptional year for same store revenue growth and NOI.

Speaker 1

I think we've got good discipline On the expense side, and so getting the double digits would require excellent expense controls as well. So we're not going to commit to a specific number, But the way the numbers just set themselves up is as these concessions go away, we report on a straight line basis. As we move rents up in a lot of cases beyond pre pandemic numbers, the kind of math you're putting out there is certainly attainable.

Speaker 10

Okay, great. And then second question is, left out of the discussion so far has been The Delta variant, the uncertainties that still lie ahead and clearly California has taken some steps. We are going to be being sort of socially similar To California, LA and San Francisco, do you have any concern about getting too far ahead of your skis and that there's More to come with all this and we're not quite through it and there could be a hiccup Along the way, is that a part of your line of thinking at all at this point?

Speaker 1

Yes, Rich, a very fair question. None of us here are experts. I'm not an immunologist. But it seems to us that if the vaccines continue to provide protection To the vast, vast majority of people that are vaccinated, then you're going to have a situation, and by protection, I mean, protection from serious illness or death. I think businesses are going to remain open, cities are going to remain open, things are going to continue to progress and our business will continue to improve.

Speaker 1

I'm not as anxious about mask mandates, whether what the CDC did yesterday or some localities have done. I think to your point, We need to learn to manage this and live with this virus. As much as we all were hoping it was just done and over, I think it's going to be part of our lives for an On the good side, we've all sort of learned or many of us have learned how to live with it. And I think society will manage through it. I think if you do have widespread city closures, that could be a concern and would certainly be a derailer for us.

Speaker 1

I would say though that as you think about the way we've all learned about how lockdowns work, the mental health impact on people, The economic disarray that lockdowns close, these sort of citywide shutdowns, the deferral of other needed medical procedures, There's a lot of good reasons when especially when you have a vaccine that 60% of the population over 16 has taken at least one dose of. That seems like a more thoughtful way to proceed along with masks to us. So we're not trying to whistle past the graveyard or otherwise ignore The Delta variant is just our sense that policymakers have different tools at their disposable disposal, excuse me, and better knowledge Than they did back in 2020 and that widespread lockdowns are not as likely as they were in the past.

Speaker 10

Okay. Thanks, Doctor. Mark.

Speaker 11

Thanks, Rich.

Operator

Our next question will come from Brad Heffern with RBC Capital Markets.

Speaker 12

Hey, everyone. Going back to the recoveries, I appreciate all the color on that. Was there any portion of that $15,000,000 that was in the prior guide. And then additionally, is there any assumed improvement in the guide Just from day to day collections in the second half?

Speaker 3

Yes. So the $15,000,000 referring to the rental assistance that was Added to the guidance. It was not in the prior guide. We had kind of telegraphed on the Q1 call and even back to original guidance that we had Assumed that collections would remain the same and that the bad debt level would be the same. So the $15,000,000 is incremental.

Speaker 3

We're also assuming that the collection rate, the 97% Stays the same. So the only real change we made to the guidance was adding the $15,500,000 of which we've already received on the rental assistance side.

Speaker 12

Okay, great. And then on California, you talked about how hot the market is. Can you just Walk through maybe any rationale for why that would be because obviously we all know about the regulatory risk and sort of the lagging recovery in that market. And then is there sort of a minimum size that you think about California representing in the portfolio?

Speaker 5

Hey, Brad, it's Alec. California is such a big state that I can't say that all parts of San Francisco right now has not had trades, Downtown San Francisco as an example. But we have a broad portfolio and we find particularly for value add opportunities, There's just a wide, wide bidder pool. So that's what we're seeing. And as we mentioned, we're selling properties that are typically 18, 20 years old and that appeals to that value add group.

Speaker 1

And just to add a little bit and answer the rest of the question, we think about what percent California could be of Equity Residential a few years into the future. Again, we're in the Bay Area, we're in Los Angeles, we're in San Diego, we're in Orange County, great people, great properties in those markets. I think what you're going to see is we're going to do a little building, we're going to do a Buying in those markets, but generally speaking, we'll be a net seller and our 45% asset exposure will go down below 40 And some of that capital will be redistributed to these expansion markets. And whether we get to the mid-30s or whether it's the high-30s, we'll just have to see. But we do want to mitigate a little of this regulatory risk in California.

Speaker 1

We want to be thoughtful about balancing out The portfolio, 45% is a pretty high concentration in any one state. So we think that's sort of a thoughtful way to balance things out a bit.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Rich Schill with Morgan Stanley will take the next question.

Speaker 5

Hey, guys. Thanks for making the time. Hey, I'm looking at your charts in your presentation where you compare your various different markets. And Obviously, Orange County, San Diego and Denver are doing really well. I'm wondering, does that strike you as a leading indicator for San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, New York, where as people begin to move back rather than just moving out, We could see a sustainable shift higher in pricing trends.

Speaker 5

So long story, long question, But is the hot market the leading indicator for some of the coastal markets that were weaker, but might have a sustained trajectory?

Speaker 1

So Rich, it's Mark to start and Michael may or Alec correct your supplement. But Orange County and San Diego for us are almost entirely suburban portfolios And Denver is a little more urban than suburban, but has a big suburban component as well. So those markets have just really not been as affected and continue to progress Right on straight through 2019 numbers. We think the leading indicators on coastal is what's going on in New York. So with the city not even all the way opened a few months ago, we started a Strong recovery.

Speaker 1

Now that recovery is in full swing. You see that recovery in San Francisco. Michael and I were there a month ago and all our buildings are 95% occupied, Incessions are nearly non existent and that's before the city. At the end of June, it had just reopened and it wasn't very activated to be honest and The office population wasn't that high. So I would say to you, the leading indicators to us in the coastal markets are the coastal markets.

Speaker 1

I mean, they are already Recovering and doing very well. I think what you're going to see a year from now is that if things again continue to be supportive is the coastal markets will just keep going Like they were in late 2019 or early 2020 and that recovery from the pandemic is not the limit of the upside in those markets.

Speaker 5

Got it. That's very helpful. Hey guys, maybe just a question on underwriting, not necessarily What you're underwriting, although I'd love to hear it from you. But when you're selling a property, what do you think your buyers are underwriting? Because obviously buyers don't underwrite what's happening this quarter, Next quarter, next year, they're taking a longer term view.

Speaker 5

So as you think about the trends that buyers and sellers are underwriting in the current market, what does that look like in the out years? Well, Rich, this is Alec. I mean, buyers are optimists, right? I mean, that's why they're buying. And typically with the value add, they're pricing that in.

Speaker 5

But there's the only successful bidder right now is assuming a full recovery. You're not going to be able to Be the prevailing bid without doing that. And so that's what we're seeing. And in terms of further out years, I really don't know Per se, each deal, I think everyone has their own view on long term inflation. But what drives the cap rate and the short term return are these either a value add Return or return to pre pandemic rents or plus some.

Speaker 5

Got it. Okay. That's helpful. I think that's it for me guys. Congrats on a nice quarter.

Speaker 1

Thanks.

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks, Rich.

Operator

Next question will come from Alex Kalmus with Zelman and Associates.

Speaker 13

Hi. Thank you for taking the question. With The 3 properties in the pipeline expected to be completed this year. What are your expectations to replenishing the Development pipeline off the end of the

Speaker 1

year. Yes. Thanks for the question, Alex. It's Mark. We expect to start 3 or 4 deals Through the balance of the year, maybe $400,000,000 to $500,000,000 of excuse me, construction costs to be incurred over the next few years on those.

Speaker 1

There's always some uncertainty. You just don't know if you get your GC lined up quite right. Couple of these deals are JVs. The deals are both in Denver, suburban and urban Denver, as well as in the northeastern markets and suburban locations. So as we said, we will Continue to invest in the suburbs of our established markets and one of them is actually an urban deal in one of those markets.

Speaker 1

So we'll certainly go through the details with you next quarter, But we are looking to replenish the pipeline. And in fact, we're hopeful there is there was a question earlier in the call and I want to supplement the answer. I mean, right now, there are most newer properties are going for some premium to replacement cost. So there is in our mind some reason to do more development as long as you're thoughtful about what your construction costs are, your execution risks, how you're funding it. So I think you'll see us do a little bit more development, the deals I just mentioned plus some other stuff we're working on in the near term.

Speaker 13

Got it. Thank you very much. And looking at the transaction market again, When you're thinking about the acquisitions, how do the cap rates on a stabilized Base is compared to what the trailing 12 months were and what kind of NOI growth are you sort of baking into those assumptions?

Speaker 5

Well, Alex, this is Alex. It varies so much property by property. Some of the properties More by the pandemic, so there's more of a recovery there. Others not so much. Some of them have been because they're newer properties are coming out of lease up, so there's a burn off of concessions Yes, that's going on.

Speaker 5

So it's hard to give a blanket statement, but we're certainly seeing far fewer concessions in any of our markets and expecting a return The run rate of rental growth over time.

Speaker 13

Okay, got it. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Amanda Schweitzer with Baird has the next question.

Speaker 11

Thanks. Good morning. As you think about lease rate growth in the near term, are there still areas where you're facing some COVID related restrictions in terms of your ability to push those lease rates. And then if there are, how significant are they and what's kind of the outlook for them rolling off?

Speaker 2

So, yes, I mean, there are still several markets that we operate in that we are Under restrictions on the ability to grow rate or grow the increase on renewals, I think that lessons as you get past the end of September, but there still will be some restrictions in place beyond that date. But I think we still right now we're looking at our opportunities as we get past that September to kind of keep pushing those rates in all of the markets that we're operating

Speaker 11

Okay. That's helpful. And then following up on some of your San Francisco comments On the transaction market specifically, do you think that 4.4% cap rate you reported for the smaller asset you sold in the suburbs is indicative of market pricing or has there Not been enough volume to tell yet.

Speaker 5

Yes. There's not enough volume to tell. I mean, there's such a wide range in how properties are performing, that Yes. There's not enough. Our expectation is that cap rates will normalize there and lower over time and there'll be a lot more bids

Speaker 11

Thank you. Appreciate the time.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Next question will come from John Kim, BMO Capital Markets.

Speaker 14

Thank you. On developments, Mark, I think you mentioned in your Prepared remarks, doing more through joint venture arrangements.

Speaker 6

Can you provide some

Speaker 14

more color on what this may look like? Are you just The funding partner and you have the option to

Speaker 3

take it out or do

Speaker 14

you see them being long term partnerships?

Speaker 1

Yes, more the former, More where we're partnering with local or regional or maybe even national developer who has an embedded existing infrastructure of Deal finders, entitlement experts in markets, particularly the suburbs where we have less of a presence, our development focus of late has Been doing our own wholly owned deals in urban centers, but in the suburbs of our established markets and in some of these new markets. So it'd be us Sort of renting that expertise in exchange for a promote, the developer building the deal, us being the capital and having the right to purchase the asset at the end. So it's not a merchant build program in a sense that we're certainly happy to make money, but we want to end up with the asset at the end and add it to the portfolio and kind of help us fill things out.

Speaker 8

And so what would be the

Speaker 14

yield differential between joint ventures and on balance sheet development?

Speaker 1

Yes, that's a great question. We spent some time talking about that and some real life examples. So I'm going to ballpark some of these numbers and Would ask you to stick with me for a minute and then Alec can sort of supplement that. But paying a promote does not have a terribly material impact on the yield, Even in a fairly successful deal, so we thought about a deal where the unlevered IRR of the deal was something like 11% or 12%. And I believe it changed the acquisition yield for EQR from a 5.4% to a 5.2% cap rate.

Speaker 1

It had a That's not 0, 20 basis points is real, but it when you think about the fact that EQR doesn't have to carry all that overhead, Doesn't have debt deal cost, doesn't have failed deal cost and it can be expert capital allocators. I mean, we all learned about some cost Business School, but it's still really hard to let go of a deal you've worked on. When you're in our position as a capital allocator, not as only a developer, You're in a better position to pick and choose the opportunities that suit us best. Alec, you have anything?

Speaker 5

I would just add that the developer is typically a really small part of the equity, overall equity. Typically, Yes, 5% to 10%, we're 95% to 90%. So that's why it doesn't really change the return to us as much as you might think.

Speaker 14

That's very helpful. Thank you. My second question is on renovation CapEx, which has been trending down over the last couple of Totally understandable. But now that your markets have fully recovered, when do you expect that to ramp up and give the ability to do so To increase rents?

Speaker 5

Yes. So we're looking at that all the time and we're pushing opportunities that we can. But I'll tell you there are a lot Challenges right now just getting appliances, an example, getting lumber. As you've heard, cabinets are hard. So the reasons why we're not Picking up to the base outside of the immediate impact of the pandemic, which has abated in some of our markets.

Speaker 5

But our expectation is to increase that over the next 12 months.

Speaker 14

Great. Thanks.

Operator

We'll now hear from Alexander Goldfarb with Piper Sandler.

Speaker 6

Thank you and good morning out there. So two questions. First, just going back To a few analysts ago, when you guys are talking about managing the heavy 2 to 3 months free Expirations this fall. Is it your view that you're going to bring basically all of those to market like forced turnover? Or is it your view that it will be sort of split, some you'll stair step, some you'll first 4th turnover?

Speaker 6

Just trying to understand how much of that given the strong market demand you guys talk about, how much of that you think you'll be able to get this year versus having to wait until next year to get it?

Speaker 2

Yes. Hey, good morning. So Great question. And I'll tell you so far, we remain optimistic about the renewal performance for the remainder of the year. We just started in July August to see the renewal quotes going out to folks that had Previously come in with concessions, so about 17% of our offers for July August went out to those folks That received a concession.

Speaker 2

And so far, the retention and ability to bring them up to market has played out. Now as we progress through September and into December, that number 17% grows to about 25% of our offers Will be to individuals that came in on a concession. So the strong demand that we have right now is really driving the confidence And in our ability to backfill at current rates, so while we don't want to drive the additional vacancy, we're going to work with residents and potentially stair step. If the demand remains as strong as it is, we will bring everybody up to market or we will have some increased turnover Because we can replace those units at higher rates in a very short order of time. So the other thing I just want to call out is our residents are used to paying us that gross rent amount and the concessions that we granted were granted in usually the first For 2nd full month of occupancy with us.

Speaker 2

So our challenge and our opportunity is really more around bringing them up To the gross street rents that you see today. And like I said, if the demand at the front door remains as strong as it is, we have a high degree of confidence because Their options to go elsewhere in that market are going to be very limited because we're at market rates now.

Speaker 6

Okay. So basically you're saying that when you guys offered the whatever 2 months free, 3 months free, that was at the initial 1st month and since then The people have been paying the full freight?

Speaker 2

That is correct.

Speaker 6

Okay. Second question is, as you guys have returned To markets like, I mean, you've been back in Denver a while, but Austin, Atlanta, etcetera. When you compare now versus when you were previously in those markets, What would you say is your biggest sort of shock, if you will? Is it household income? Is it how the areas have built up, lack of supply?

Speaker 6

Is it better product than what you used to own? I'm just sort of curious how you compare when you guys left those markets to now and what's been the most The biggest change that you've encountered, obviously, that makes you excited to reenter, but I'm just curious the biggest change that you've noticed.

Speaker 5

Yes. So there are quite a few of those things. Alexander, this is Alex. The change, but the primary thing that we look for in a new market Is that renter, the knowledge based industry renter who's got a resilient job, growing income And those numbers are up dramatically in Atlanta and certainly in Austin, but also in Denver. And that comes then with these Much more vibrant urban settings that they're choosing to live in and kind of foster and be part of.

Speaker 5

And that's a big part of why They stay in these neighborhoods longer than in the old days and we had a lot much lower rents. We had much more turnover And single family home prices were so much lower, particularly in the kind of neighborhoods that folks were living that our renter was choosing to live in. So that was a big source of competition. Whereas today, In a market like Atlanta to find a affordable house, you have to go out really far and a lot of people just don't want to make that trade off When they've been living in Midtown or Midtown West or Buckhead, they're enjoying the life that they have and they're just less likely to move out. And that's been a big change From where the way it was when we were there 10, 15 years ago?

Speaker 1

Yes. And that's a great question Alex. I'm just going to build on it. It's Mark. I mean rents that we used to charge were $1.50 rents and our situation when we exited those markets was Our best renters could immediately afford to purchase a home and our worst renters didn't pay us and left in the middle of the night.

Speaker 1

And it was a whole different demographic. And now This demographic is much more like a coastal demographic. They're well employed in financial, technology, new media, other fields. They enjoy these urban amenities and these Dense suburban amenities, they might want to buy a home, but home prices, we spent a lot of time on this in Atlanta because average prices in Atlanta for the metro aren't very High for homes, they're about the national average. But in the areas near where the employment centers are people work and the neighborhoods that Alec mentioned they want to live, it is quite high.

Speaker 1

Atlanta has got a lot of traffic. So if you want to

Operator

move just like you can move

Speaker 1

in New York, you can move till you qualify, but it's a good distance. We're in before in Atlanta, it wasn't much of a distance. So again, we got a lot of our folks siphoned. So we're looking at rents in the $2 to $2.5 a foot in these areas, double what it was before, A demographic that's got much higher incomes, a single family situation that to us looks a lot better than it did when we left these markets a decade or a decade ago. And then again, that combines with the political risk that you and I and others have talked about on these calls for a long time, that's considerably more favorable than some of the other markets we're in.

Speaker 6

So just to sum that up, could you guys look at the percent income like you guys mentioned, I think sort of 18% to 23% or 17% to 23% in general. Are these markets where you see them are now in the lower end of there and therefore you see more of an opportunity to push growth I mean push rents Or are those markets just more structurally the rent to income levels are just structurally lower versus the New York, San Francisco, etcetera?

Speaker 5

Yes. I missed a little of

Speaker 1

that question. But generally speaking, the rent to income ratios are higher in the markets we're going into. We think that will be offset a little bit by pretty good growth in incomes by those residents because those areas are growing so much. I'll also say that some of the cost structures like the fact There's no taxes in Texas matter as well. So it isn't an apples to apples comparison, but the ratios in places like New York Are lower than places like Atlanta.

Speaker 6

Thank you. Thank you, Mark.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Alex.

Operator

Now we'll take a question from Haendel St. Juste with Mizuho.

Speaker 4

Hey, guys. I guess it's still good morning out there.

Operator

Just two quick ones from me. I wanted to ask you if

Speaker 4

you could talk a bit more specifically or share the math on how you underwrote The IRRs on the assets you bought here in Atlanta and Austin and how that compares to the IRRs on the assets That you underwrote when you sold it.

Speaker 5

So I'm sorry, can you repeat the question?

Operator

Can you hear me?

Speaker 4

Yes, sorry. So my question is on the comparative IRRs.

Speaker 6

If you could talk

Speaker 4

a bit more specifically on how you underwrote the IRRs for what you're Buying in Atlanta and Austin and how to compare Yes, got it. Got it. I missed the first one.

Speaker 5

Yes. So the big one of the big differences is age of the property. So We're selling properties that are a lot older that have typically have capital needs. And again, we find buyers who look at the future a little differently than we do, want to Invest the value add money. So when we look at that, we're not sure you're going to get the return on that.

Speaker 5

So it ends up in a lower IRR. The properties we're buying, we just see such strong demand for that we think that IRR over time will exceed the one we're seeing As a result of a combination of higher rent growth and less CapEx.

Speaker 4

So to be a bit more specific, I think you Bought assets at 3.8% in the quarter, you filled at 4.0%. You mentioned in the past that you're looking to do these max funded deals on a net neutral The IR basis, so I was curious if that was indeed the case here. Are you able to underwrite where you're basically?

Speaker 5

So the numbers you're citing with the cap rates, the going in yields, what I was referring to is the longer term IRR.

Speaker 1

And you think the IRRs are higher in what yes, Haendel, the IRRs are higher on what we're buying than what we're selling and the cap rates are the same. So one good question that we've been talking about on these calls is, are our shareholders going to miss out on some of the recovery And some of these assets we're selling because we've talked about it's going to be pretty strong income growth in California and New York. And I'd say that This is not going to be the case because we're not selling the best assets with the best income growth. We're selling assets that have regulatory challenges or Concentration issues where we own so much already in that submarket that the shareholders will get the benefit. Or as Alex said, we just don't believe in the renovation play.

Speaker 1

So I think just again, we're selling what we believe are lower IRRs and buying higher. And we believe that's true both on the NOI side and on the net cash flow because of the CapEx.

Speaker 4

Got it, Mark. Thank you. That's helpful. And then you've mentioned development of JV a few times here in your remarks in the Q and A and you outlined the risk of on balance sheet development. So it certainly sounds like building out an internal platform here, just not in the cards near term.

Speaker 4

I guess my question is, how much more fruit do you think there is left to shake from your existing relationships like say Toll Brothers? You guys have a history of working together. It looks like you bought One of your Atlanta assets from them, they have a large development footprint, a lot of, let's call it attractive markets. So they seem like an ideal partner. So I guess what's the perceived opportunity there?

Speaker 4

Are you having conversations?

Speaker 14

And is that kind of fit

Speaker 4

the profile of the apartment you'd be looking for?

Speaker 1

Well, first, I just want to correct the beginning statement. We have a terrific existing development team. It just isn't in Atlanta, it isn't in Austin and it mostly isn't in Denver. So our development team, not as large as some of our competitors, but very capable, certainly exists. That team has delivered Alcott, this enormous $400,000,000 building On time and on budget during a pandemic.

Speaker 1

So we've got a very capable team and they'll continue to focus on things. For example, our California team, we've got a lot of We've mentioned on occasion, but you'll hear more about in the next few years. And these are deals where, for example, in Haendel, we have a 300 unit deal, you take down 60 units in a garden style structure and you put up mid rise 200 units. Those are terrific deals for EQR. Those we do on our own.

Speaker 1

We don't need a partner for that. So we're open to all sorts of partnership opportunities, again, national, Local, regional, you should expect that we're exploring all of those things at this point. And we're thought of as a high quality partner and we're looking for A high quality counterparty.

Speaker 4

Okay, fair enough. And did not need to diminish the team in any way. I was just making the point that obviously Could be largely given the company of your scale and just probing on if there are any opportunities under discussion today with Toll Brothers as I indicated. As you know, obviously, you bought the asset in Atlanta from them. I was curious on if that was a fruit, well, a tree that could bear more fruit.

Speaker 1

Sure. Haendel, I don't mean to be defensive. I just want to acknowledge the contribution to the team. We've got a lot of people working hard, a lot of people listening to this call. As it relates to any specific party, I mean, if we were doing something, I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 1

And if we're not, it wouldn't matter. So I just would say, we're out there, we're always talking to people and that's Alex's job. He has a whole team that is out there talking to developers of all shapes and sizes.

Speaker 4

Well, I have to ask, but thank you for taking

Operator

my questions and your response.

Speaker 5

Thank you.

Operator

And there appears to be no additional questions in the queue. I will turn the call back over to your host for any additional or closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Yes. Well, thank you everyone for your time today. Enjoy the rest of the summer and we'll see you on the conference circuit in the fall. Thank you.

Operator

With that, ladies and gentlemen, this will conclude your conference for today. Thank you for your participation and you may now disconnect.

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