Mid-America Apartment Communities Q3 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Robust rent growth: Third‐quarter blended lease‐over‐lease pricing was up ~15% with occupancy at 96.4%, driven by Sunbelt job growth, favorable migration trends and housing affordability constraints.
  • Rising operating expenses: Year‐to‐date building repairs and maintenance costs climbed just over 6%, and similar inflationary pressures are expected through the end of the year.
  • Development pipeline: Nearly 3,000 units totaling $710 million under construction or lease‐up, with stabilized NOI yields forecast at 5.5%–5.75% despite potential supply chain delays.
  • Balance sheet strength: Issued $600 million of public bonds at a blended 2.1% rate, extended average debt maturity to almost nine years and secured $210 million of forward equity funding.
  • Upgraded full‐year guidance: Raised 2021 core FFO to $6.94 per share (7.9% growth YoY), with same‐store revenue growth now projected at 5.1% and NOI growth at 5.5%.
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Earnings Conference Call
Mid-America Apartment Communities Q3 2021
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There are 15 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the MAA Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen only mode. Afterwards, the company will conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded today, October 28, 2021. I will now turn the call over to Tim Argo, Senior Vice President of Finance of MAA for opening comments.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Mallory, and good morning, everyone. This is Tim Argo, Senior Vice President of Finance for MAA. With me are Eric Bolton, our CEO Al Campbell, our CFO Rob Del Priore, our General Counsel Tom Grimes, our COO and Brad Hill, our Head of Transactions. Before we begin with our prepared comments this morning, I want to point out that as part of the discussion, company management will be making forward looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from our projections.

Speaker 1

We encourage you to refer to the forward looking statements section in yesterday's earnings release, in our 34 Act filings with the SEC, which describe risk factors that may impact future results. These reports, along with a copy of today's prepared comments An audio copy of this morning's call will be available on our website. During this call, we will also discuss certain non GAAP financial measures. A presentation of the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures as well as reconciliations of the differences between non GAAP and comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release and supplemental financial data, which are available on the For Investors page of our website at www.mac.com. I'll now turn the call over to Eric.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Tim, and we appreciate everyone joining us this morning. Our 3rd quarter results We're well ahead of expectations. Growing demand across our Sunbelt markets continues to drive strong rent growth and high occupancy, Steady job growth, favorable migration trends, wage growth and escalating pricing of single family housing Are all driving strong performance for apartment rents across our portfolio. We're carrying significant pricing momentum into calendar year 20 2. Resident turnover remains low, collections remain strong, occupancy is high And rent to income ratios remain very affordable.

Speaker 2

This all suggests to us that we have good capacity in the market The pricing trends that we are currently capturing. As we think about next year, we believe leasing conditions across our markets will remain favorable. Our Sunbelt markets continue to capture good job growth driving positive migration trends. New move ins year to date from households relocating to our sembelt markets constitute 14% of our new leases as compared to just over 10% in the same time frame of 2020. High pricing trends associated with single family housing are further supporting Strong demand for apartment housing.

Speaker 2

In the Q3, move outs among our resident base to buy a home were down 12% as compared to Prior year and move outs to rent a home were down 38%. We continue to keep an eye on pressure surrounding Chain Challenges and Inflation Trends. Year to date, our biggest pressure on operating expenses is building repairs and maintenance costs, which are up just over 6%. Pressures associated with both materials and labor, we expect year over year increases in repair and maintenance expenses We'll likely hold in this 6% range through the end of the year. Our current development pipeline remains on budget for both development cost and timing for unit deliveries.

Speaker 2

We're working into our planning and pro formas more cost and unit delivery contingencies as we expect the supply to be with us through next year. But again, at this point, our current predevelopment pipeline remains fully on track And we expect to start several additional new projects in 2022. In summary, our markets continue to capture strong demand, Driving robust rent growth that will carry into 2022. MAA's uniquely diversified approach across the Sunbelt region, Supported by a very strong balance sheet has the company well positioned to take advantage of the outlook for continued strong leasing fundamentals in our markets. We continue to build strength in our technology platform and our operating capabilities.

Speaker 2

Our redevelopment program and several repositioning projects We'll drive higher earnings opportunity from our existing portfolio. We expect to capture meaningful expansion in our operating margins over the next couple of years. In addition, our external growth pipeline continues to expand and will deliver meaningful value accretion over the coming years. MAA is well positioned heading into 2022 and we're excited about the prospects for continued outperformance in the coming year. I'd like to thank the MAA team for the tremendous progress this year and the very positive results.

Speaker 2

I'll turn the call over to Tom. Tom?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Eric, and good morning, everyone. We saw strong pricing performance across the portfolio during the Q3. Blended lease over lease pricing achieved during the quarter was up 15%. As a result, all in place rents or effective rent growth on a year over year basis grew 6.3%. This is nearly 5 times the 1.3 percent growth of the Q1.

Speaker 3

Average effective rent growth is our primary revenue driver And with the current blended pricing momentum, we expect it to continue to strengthen through the remainder of the year. In addition, average daily For

Speaker 4

the quarter was a strong 96.4%.

Speaker 3

As outlined in the release, we saw steady progress from our product upgrade initiatives. This includes our interior unit redevelopment program as well as the installation of our smart home technology package that includes mobile control of lights, Thermostat and security as well as leak detection. For the full year 2021, we expect to complete just over 6,000 interior unit upgrades and installed 22,000 smart home packages. This will bring our total number of smart units up to 47,000 units. We're in the final stages of completing the repositioning work on our first eight full repositioned properties and have another eight that are underway this year.

Speaker 3

Leasing activity for October has been strong. New lease over lease pricing month to date for October is running close to 20% ahead of the rent on the prior lease. Renewal lease pricing in October is running 13% ahead of the prior lease. As a result, blended pricing for the portfolio is up approximately 16% so far for October. Average daily occupancy for the month is currently 95.9%, which is 30 basis points better than October of last year.

Speaker 3

Exposure, which is all vacant units plus notices through a 60 day period is just 6.8%. This is 10 basis points better than prior year. This supports our ability to continue to prioritize rent growth. We are well positioned as we move into the Q4 2022. I'd like to echo Eric's comments and thank our teams as well.

Speaker 3

They've shown tremendous adaptability and resilience over the last year. I'm proud of them and excited about their progress in 2021. Brad? Thanks, Tom,

Speaker 2

and good morning, everyone. The already robust investor demand for multifamily properties in our footprint has strengthened. Transaction volume is at a record high as investors are looking to buy into the strong rent growth outlook in our Sunbelt markets. Strong leasing fundamentals Is currently on development through our in house development and our pre purchase program with 3rd party developers, we remain active in the transaction We will likely find more compelling opportunities for acquiring stabilized and lease up properties. Our prepurchase and development pipeline that includes both under construction and in lease up projects stands at 2,999 units with a total cost of $710,000,000 While the size of our development pipeline will fluctuate due to the timing differences of starts and completions, We continue to make good progress towards growing the pipeline.

Speaker 2

Our in house development team has multiple sites either owned or under contract that we expect to start construction on in 2022. We have 3 sites in Denver, one of which is a 3 phase site, A 2 phase site in Raleigh and a site in Tampa. Additionally, we are negotiating on pre purchase projects in Charlotte and Salt Lake City that we hope to start next year as well. Despite inflationary pressures on materials and labor, we expect stabilized NOI yields on our new projects remain in the 5.5% to 5.75% range. The strong leasing demand we're seeing across our portfolio is also evident in our lease up properties where we're seeing rents and velocity well above our pro form a.

Speaker 2

Because of the strong demand, we've moved up the expected stabilization date of our Sand Lake property in Orlando by 2 quarters with an expected stabilization date of Q3 2022. All of our under construction projects remain on budget and on Our construction management team has done a great job navigating these challenges and minimizing the impact to our schedules. However, we expect these supply chain disruptions could add 60 days or so to any new starts next year. We've made great progress on our remaining dispositions for the year, which includes 2 properties in Savannah and 1 in Charlotte. The buyers are through their due diligence processes And IRR of 30%.

Speaker 1

That's all I have in the

Speaker 4

way of prepared comments. I'll turn it over to Al. Okay. Thank you, Brad. The continued very strong pricing trends and high occupancy through the 3rd quarter produced revenue performance well above our prior expectations.

Speaker 4

Core FFO was $0.10 per share above the midpoint of our guidance range with the outperformance essentially all coming from revenue. Blended lease pricing for the 3rd quarter was 5% And as we expected, operating expense growth for the quarter moderated Given some favorable prior year comparisons, but it is projected to return to the full year range during the Q4. As you saw in the release, this 3rd quarter performance produced a significant increase to both our core FFO and same store guidance for the full year. We increased projected core FFO for the year to 6.94 share, which is $0.19 per share above our prior midpoint and now represents a 7.9% growth over the prior year. The increase is driven by revised same store revenue growth projection for the full year of 5.1% at the midpoint, which is based on continued strong pricing trends through 4th quarter with some late seasonal moderation expected and we're assuming blended lease pricing averaging somewhere around 10% for the full quarter.

Speaker 4

We left our operating expense expectation for the year unchanged at 4.25% to 4.75% growth, which produces revised same store NOI growth for the year of 5.5% We do expect some growing pressure from operating expenses as we move into 2022 with personnel costs, repair and maintenance costs and real estate taxes, which combined to make up over 2 thirds of operating expenses, all expected to begin showing some inflationary increases during 2022. Our balance sheet remains in great shape. We completed several important financing transactions during the Q3, which further enhanced our strength. We issued a combined $600,000,000 in public bonds during the quarter, a barbell deal pairing 5 year 30 year notes, which is very good pricing for both Blended to a 2.1% effective rate, which supports our view that our current ratings are conservative. These transactions also fixed over 99% of our debt extended our average debt maturities to almost 9 years, providing important protection from a rising interest rate environment.

Speaker 4

We also executed an 18 month forward equity transaction, which provides around $210,000,000 of future funding for our growing development pipeline. And based on current projection, this takes care of our equity needs for the next couple of years. That's

Operator

We will now open the call up for questions. It looks like we will take our first question from Rich Anderson from SMBC, your line is open.

Speaker 2

Rich, you there?

Speaker 5

Sorry, I was on mute. Thanks. So obviously, Because without saying unbelievable performance to this point. What concerns you though? I mean, it's to me this economy and this setup with Wage growth and everything happening in a positive direction on top of the supply chain issues Suggest at least a risk of if there is a new Fed Chairman name that we could see him or her showing Mike, to combat what's going on and perhaps increase interest rates in the short end, I'm curious if you're worried about that.

Speaker 5

We got a GDP print for the Q3 of just 2%. Do you see these as the main Kind of factors in terms of the risks going forward because obviously this type of growth can't happen forever.

Speaker 2

Well, Rich, yes, I mean, I think you're certainly hitting on some of the bigger variables that could change that would Change the dynamic that we're operating within. I do think that we believe that If we do find ourselves in a rising rate environment that first this business that we're in, the apartment business offers I think Some degree of hedge against rising pricing and rising cost in general as we have the ability to sort of reprice our Service and our product pretty quickly. Al and Andrew have done a terrific job with the balance sheet. We've got All the metrics in a very, very strong position and I think in a position to withstand Pressures that we may see of various sorts in the capital markets. So I think that and then I think Some of the supply chain issues that we've been referencing will continue to be with us for some time.

Speaker 2

Eventually, that'll get fixed, but I think it's going to be a while And happening probably a couple of years or so. And that may either it will create some issues for us, but I think it will also potentially caused some delays in deliveries of some of the competing supply that may be coming into the market. So there's it's hard to sort of underwrite things right Now there's and obviously there's just a whole lot of noise coming out of Washington DC these days and discussions surrounding changes in tax Policies and what degree that may or may not affect the economy and capital and how capital chooses to allocate and invest. So I think there are a lot of worry beats out there in that regard. And from our perspective, we've long believed that the right thing for us to do It's just simply orient our capital towards markets where we believe the demand for what We do is likely to be the most stable and the strongest over a full cycle.

Speaker 2

Over the years have heard me oftentimes make reference To the notion that we're trying to be the best full cycle performer we can be. And I think it starts Frankly, we're protecting the downside and protecting against risk. And for that reason, that's why we focus the way we do on the Sunbelt and have for 27 years. And then it's also frankly why we choose to allocate capital the way we do across the region with a real bent towards Both a healthy combination of larger markets as well as secondary markets and with an affordable price point, we think it all just combines to create A higher degree of appeal for our product and thereby sort So drive more stability and the ability to weather down cycles better. I'm excited about the opportunities that are coming In terms of the emerging recovery cycle and we've got some exciting things happening with development.

Speaker 2

We've got ample capacity and strength in the balance to cover risks surrounding that. We've got some pretty exciting things we're doing with redevelopment, which are going to drive Revenue growth opportunities off our existing asset base and then we've got some exciting things we're doing with technology that I think could continue to create performance Advantages for us in the markets where we do business. So I feel like that we're probably as well positioned as we could be for whatever the future holds and time will tell.

Speaker 5

Yes, thanks. That's great, Eric. And just a quick one maybe for Tom. With Everything going up in price, including apartment rents, have you seen any indication that people are starting to at least consider doubling up To save some money, has there been any more of that happening in your portfolio to this point?

Speaker 3

No, Rich. It's The sort of popularity has stayed sort of the same with 1s and 2s being most popular and The efficiency is still the least, only 4% exposure to those in their mid teens on rent growth and they're above 95% occupied. So we're there, but I mean we really we see people staying put. Our renewal Conversations though at higher rates than they've ever been are easier because everybody sees the noise in the market The price of single family homes and those kind of things. So there has not been a retrenchment.

Speaker 3

And then on as far as affordability goes, We continue to stay in the same area where we've been in that 21%, 22% range. So our census salaries are adjusting and Folks are continuing as is.

Speaker 5

Okay, great. I'll yield the floor. Thanks.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Raj.

Operator

We'll go to now Brad Heffern with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Yes. Hi, everyone. Good

Speaker 3

morning. Good morning.

Speaker 7

Good

Speaker 6

morning. Just based on the October stats that you gave, It doesn't really seem like there was any seasonality hitting those numbers yet. But then you talked about that 14% averaging out to more like 10% over the whole Q4. So Are you seeing preliminary signs of seasonality? Am I interpreting that correctly?

Speaker 4

I think Brad, This is Al. I'll hit those comments as my comments. I think what we have put into our expectations is continued strong trends. I mean October was a little ahead of the quarter As you mentioned and so we're seeing that October maybe into November, but we do believe there's going to be some seasonal call it holiday moderation even as we get into the last month of the quarter. We put that in the forecast and so that kind of brings us to that 10% average.

Speaker 4

But I'll say this, it also the 4th quarter is the lowest number of leases that we do for any other And so even if it's

Speaker 2

a little higher or a little bit lower,

Speaker 4

it really won't have that big of an impact on that performance. And so we felt like that was the right range to put in.

Speaker 3

Okay. Got it.

Speaker 6

And then I appreciate the comment just now on rent income that it hasn't really moved around that much. Can you just talk about, I guess what the underlying driver for that is, it just seems surprising if you have new lease up 20% and some of these blended numbers up 15% like it doesn't seem like The underlying wages would have kept pace with that.

Speaker 3

Yes. And Tim has some more detailed data on this, but roughly From 2019 to 2020, it's moved probably 150 basis points, 200 basis points, but it has not moved material and it's still incredibly affordable. So It is a shift or what we're seeing is the people coming in the front door are more qualified. So it may not be The rate may not be salaries that are coming up, but the people that we are attracting are easily available able to pay for the rent.

Speaker 1

I'll add one comment to that. I mean, if we go back to the Q3 of 2019 2 years ago, income for our residents has gone up about 17%. While rents have increased quite a bit, our incomes have as well. We're not seeing a huge difference in terms of the type of resident where they work, similar sectors, a lot of professional Services, a lot of financial, a lot of healthcare, but we are seeing a little more single, slightly younger actually. We moved from, call it, 75% single About 82% single, but overall incomes are generally keeping pace with rate growth.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

We will take our next question from Nick Joseph from Citi. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Thank you. Maybe just following up on the seasonality, what's the loss to lease

Speaker 8

for the total portfolio today?

Speaker 1

Nick, this is Tim. I'll answer that. We can look at it a couple of different ways, but if you take All of the leases that went into effect in September, so new leases and renewals, we compare that to Our September ERU are all in place leases in September, it's about 11% or so, if you look at it that way. And obviously, that changes daily. If you have the same question in December, probably a little bit different answer.

Speaker 1

The other thing I'll add, if you The way we think about it is how is that earned in or baked in going to play into 2022. So if you look at our 10% blended lease over lease guidance that we gave for the full year 2021 with most leases being On average, 12 months or so, we would expect about half of that to carry into next year. So earned in or baked in rate growth of about 5% right now heading into 'twenty two.

Speaker 7

Thank you. That's very helpful. And then, you had made a comment about the supply chain disruptions and the impact. How does that impact your market supply expectations for 2022?

Speaker 2

Well, it's kind of hard to Give you any real specifics on that Nick, but I would generally tell you that as this supply chain issue It continues to prolong in terms of an impact. I got to believe that it's going to create some Construction delays for some of the projects underway. I mean, we just we were anxious about The delivery of some Hardiplank Siding at one of our projects in Austin that we're currently have under construction and we were really reaching a deadline In the last 2 or 3 weeks, where we were going to have to make a decision either hold out and wait and create a delay or make a change To a different type of siding just because we couldn't get the order in and at the last minute it did come in thankfully and so everything is still on schedule there. But I we're hearing more and more discussion about material delays and challenges. And of course, it's been that way For some time over the course of the past year with appliances, other things, but we're hearing it more broad spread and more Including more items than ever.

Speaker 2

And I just I think that as we get into next year, if it continues at The trends that we're currently seeing, I got to believe that supply coming into the markets next year is going to be a little bit below current expectations.

Speaker 7

Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question will be from Chandni Luthra from Goldman Sachs, your line is open.

Speaker 9

Thank you. Good morning. This is Chanda Dutra from Goldman Sachs. And congratulations on a really strong quarter. Could you perhaps talk about you said that you think that given your balance sheet, you could get aggressive on development.

Speaker 9

Could you perhaps give Some color on where do you think development can go for you in this part of the cycle as we think about say as a percentage of enterprise value?

Speaker 2

Well, this is Eric. And one thing I will say, we do not intend to get I wouldn't use the word aggressive. We intend to be very I mean, we will see some growth take place with our development pipeline currently, including our lease up, where we're sitting on about 700,000,000 Of total funding, we funded a good portion of that at this point. And as Brad alluded to, we've got Several projects that are getting teed up that we would likely pull the trigger on in 2022. I wouldn't be surprised to see the overall Aggregate, if you will, amount of development to get to $1,000,000,000 maybe a little bit over $1,000,000,000 Recognize that the actual funding obligation in a given calendar year for that kind of pipeline is going to be approaching $400,000,000 or something of that nature, something that we're Very comfortable in dealing with.

Speaker 2

But in terms of enterprise value, if we get to $1,000,000,000 On a $28,000,000,000 or so sort of enterprise value balance sheet, we think that that's still very comfortable And something that we're very comfortable executing on.

Speaker 9

Got it. That's great color. And then you briefly talked about sort of GAAP rates seeing further downward pressure earlier in the call. I mean, can you give A little can you throw a little bit more light there? What are you seeing?

Speaker 9

How much compression are we talking about? And what's that doing to your yield expectations.

Speaker 2

Yes, this is Brad. I can give you a little bit of color to that. If we go back to call it Q1 of this year, Cap rates on new deals in the market that we were underwriting and looking at, cap rates were about a 4. 2nd quarter, they were at call it 3.75. This quarter, that's down to about a 3.25.

Speaker 2

And these are Really trailing 3 month cap rates. So these are trailing cap rates that we're looking at. So you can see in the last quarter we've seen Probably a 50 basis points or so further compression of cap rates versus what we saw in the Q2. So we continue to see a significant amount Capital looking in our markets, looking for to deploy for reasons I mentioned in my comments. So we don't see any reason On the horizon right now that that is going to stop.

Speaker 2

In fact, we are Hearing more and more stories from our brokers that we're talking to that cap rates are in the mid to upper twos In some of the markets depending on what the growth looks like. So again, as I mentioned last quarter, I think from here it feels like cap rates Probably come down a little bit more, but we have certainly seen as we get later in the year and as often as the case, we have seen Bid sheets lighten up a little bit. Some of that is because we've had historical amount of volume this year. So folks Maybe have met their allocation or maybe there's just a little bit of deal fatigue as we get later in the year. But nevertheless, The pricing that the winning bidder is willing to pay continues to be aggressive driving those cap rates down.

Speaker 9

That's fantastic insight. Thank you so much for all this color and congratulations once again.

Speaker 7

Thanks.

Operator

We will take our next question from Austin Wurschmidt from KeyBanc. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Hi, everybody, and good morning. So Al, you mentioned that the 10% blended lease pricing in 4Q was baked into the guidance despite kind of where you're tracking at this Point through October. I'm curious though, did you assume any additional moderation in occupancy or do you expect to kind of hold within that High 95% range through the balance of the year.

Speaker 4

We put our guidance, you can see in our update, Austin, we expect to average for the year 96%, so down a little bit from where we have been, but as Tom mentioned October occupancy was down just a little bit, Nothing. It's still in the high 95s. We expect something in the high 95s, something like that. But I think as we mentioned, the pricing growth, that's the average for the whole quarter. Taking account the last part of the quarter, which may be some seasonality, even call it like we said, even holiday, traffic really slows down during that period.

Speaker 4

But as we mentioned, it really shouldn't have that big impact on the quarter, not as much as it would on other quarters because there's just very few leases that are signed.

Speaker 10

Understood. That's helpful. And then just switching over to Development, a couple of questions. Eric, you mentioned the $1,000,000,000 You've talked about it previously. I mean, do you think that you can scale up to that level to $1,000,000,000 or a little bit north of $1,000,000,000 by next year?

Speaker 10

And then secondly, you guys have talked about The projects and lease up being a drag this year, but even less of a drag next year, a drag still nonetheless. But with the rent growth That your markets have achieved relative to what you underwrote. Could that now be a tailwind at this point into next year?

Speaker 2

Well, in reference to your first question, yes, we're very comfortable with our ability to execute With the development operation that gets the pipeline to $1,000,000,000 a little over $1,000,000,000 and recognize that we're doing it in 2 different ways. We've got an in house platform where we've got in house development and in house construction oversight. Now we do not We act as a general contractor ourselves. We always contract out with 3rd party general contractors. So we're not actually building it ourselves, but we are overseeing the construction.

Speaker 2

And then in addition to the in house execution that we've got what we refer to as a pre purchase program where essentially We're joint venturing with 3rd party developers and they really do the construction and a lot of the development work and we just oversee what they're doing. So, yes, I mean, with the staffing that we have today, we feel very confident in our ability to execute at that kind of volume, given the ways that we're doing that. And then, I'm sorry, the second part of your question was what?

Speaker 8

Yes. It was just on sort of the earnings Contribution from development.

Speaker 10

Earlier in the year, you talked about it being pretty significant drag this year and more modest drag next year, but still a drag. And Just curious with the rent growth that your markets have achieved relative to what I presume you underwrote was much more conservative. I'm wondering if that's now a tailwind at this point.

Speaker 1

Hey, Austin, it's Tim. I mean, I think the key there is we've got we Three deals, I think, in that 8 property pipeline that are that will move sort of that will complete here in the Q4. So it's still even though we're certainly getting rents as good, if not better than we originally pro form a, there's still going to be for the bulk of next year, Pretty low occupancy, it takes some time to lease up. So I think it will still be a drag, but I do think we'll get to sort of that breakeven cost of capital yield a Little bit quicker. So all in all, not as much of a drag as it would have been, but still be somewhat of a drag this year.

Speaker 10

That's helpful. Thanks guys. Appreciate the time.

Operator

We will take our next question from Alexander Goldfarb from Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Thank you. Hey, morning down there.

Speaker 12

Hey, good morning. Two questions. First,

Speaker 11

As you guys plan 2022 and obviously you're not giving guidance now, but you had 8% Blended spreads in the Q2 15 percent now. Obviously, on the sell side, we're all imagining where our numbers could go based on these trends. But internally as you guys sit there and underwrite next year, how do you reasonably underwrite next year given that historically You're probably looking at 3%, 4%, maybe 5% rent growth, whereas now your teams are I mean presumably you guys could be 10% rent growth for next year Yes, with these type of numbers and a loss to lease. So how do you comfortably underwrite next year without us saying, hey, you're sandbagging Or you guys saying, hey, we left our targets too low and our field team is going to clean up.

Speaker 2

Well, we do it really, really thoughtfully and carefully, I'll say that. I mean, we're in the middle of frankly of doing that right now. For us, it really starts with kind of a bottom up approach and we have a very robust budgeting process that we go through at a property specific level. We look at all the supply dynamics. We think about the baked in trends that we have.

Speaker 2

And we ended at a top level, we think about job growth, we think about sort of the variables that drive demand, all of which think are going to continue to be very positive into next year. And then in addition to that, we also have the variable surrounding what we're doing with Both new technologies and various things that we think are going to create some upside as well as what we're doing with both Redevelopment and repositioning efforts. So there's a lot of variables that go into it and we underwrite them each of those in very Specific ways in order to build up to what we think is the right expectation to establish. So I think that, as Tim alluded to, I mean, we're going to obviously be carrying in some great baked in performance stronger than I can remember it never being. And I think that we'll see where we get to.

Speaker 2

It's I'm not really going to be able to give you a specific answer, Alex, other than just to say, we try to go at it in a very detailed fashion. And I think when we wrap up our process, which will be done leading up to a Board meeting we have in December, It will be arrived at in a pretty thoughtful manner, I can assure you that.

Speaker 11

Right. But it would seem like something upper single digits or 10% -ish for rent growth next year It's not unreasonable. Would that be correct, Eric?

Speaker 12

I mean,

Speaker 2

it's with the baked in that we're looking at Coupled with some of the redevelopment and some of the market fundamentals, just assuming those continue to As strong as they are, I think what you're saying is not unreasonable, but we'll have more to say on it later.

Speaker 7

Okay. The second question is On

Speaker 11

cap rates, obviously, we all know where cap rates have gone. But as far as the total IRR, have IRRs changed So that people are paying low 3s, you have 15% rent growth, etcetera. So have IRRs Held firm or have you seen IRRs also compressing because the cap rate compression more than offsets any rent growth that people are baking in?

Speaker 2

Well, this is Brad. I think it really depends on what your long term rent growth outlook Yes. Certainly putting in 1 year of 15%, 20% rent growth helps, but what does that look like in years 2 through 10, I think that's really what's going to drive whether your IRRs are coming down or staying flat. I would say generally speaking, IRRs are Coming down, but to what degree is going to depend on what to what degree you believe this Outside rent growth is going to continue certainly for a couple of years, but outside of that you've got folks that are dialing in Substantial rehab components on assets to help drive those rates up. So I'd say it just depends, but my general comment would be that IRRs Are down to some degree.

Speaker 7

Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Amina Switzer from Baird. Your line is open. Thanks. Good morning. Following up on that conversation on returns, I think I've misheard you in the prepared remarks, but it does sound like your tone has changed a bit on pursuing stabilized acquisitions.

Operator

And if that's the case, what is giving you greater comfort today? Is it mainly being driven by that kind of continued improvement in your cost of capital?

Speaker 2

Amanda, this is Eric. I think that I mean, obviously, the cost of capital factors into it in a big way. But I think that as we just feel like we're getting later into the cycle, Supply and starts are have picked up a bit this year and we'll get into more deliveries potentially next year, Coupled with probably some growing levels of distress here and there surrounding supply deliveries and supply chain challenges That we've been hitting on or talking about. I just think that we are getting More optimistic that we're going to see some struggling lease up situations out there. And we really believe that that It's where we have the best opportunity to execute on an acquisition of a stabilized asset at a price point that We're comfortable executing with.

Speaker 2

And so I just think the conditions are evolving to a point that you may see more distress With some of the stabilized assets, particularly lease up assets, and we're optimistic that, that may yield an opportunity or 2 this next year. Amanda, I'll add one thing to that. We're getting to a point, we are seeing select instances where There is some aspect of a transaction that appeals to a seller other than the highest price, whether it be A timing, a year end close or something of that nature. And as Eric said, as we get into situations where some supply chains We are seeing folks using more pref equity, mezzanine equity, things of that nature, so their capital gets a little bit more expensive as those delays occur, which could open up some opportunities for us to take advantage of an opportunity here or there.

Operator

Okay. That makes sense. And then you also mentioned you're excited about your kind of next wave of tech initiatives. Can you talk about what those initiatives are after the smart home implementation is complete?

Speaker 3

Yes, Amanda, I'll give you Kind of a quick update on what's going on. This year we expanded our call center solution. We deployed lead nurturing software, Which is really just an automated prospect engagement tech that interacts with our prospects Earlier and sort of extends the sales process, we upgraded our virtual touring, we launched mobile maintenance and mobile inspections. So the next tools coming are improved self touring, improved multi location sales support, To simplify online leasing, this year we were able to reduce 30 positions. Next year we'd Back to headcount reduction and we're doing this on natural turns.

Speaker 3

There's not a headcount reduction cost with this About another 50. But in short, technology is just allowing us to shape and refine and change The resident journey, so that every step of it is easier for the resident, which helps us capture them, and helps revenues, And it's more efficient on the expense side as well.

Operator

Thank you. Appreciate the time.

Speaker 3

You bet, Amanda.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Rob Stevenson from Janney. Your line is open.

Speaker 13

Good morning, guys. You guys give guidance 1 year at a time, but presumably have some internal numbers run out several years at a time. Looks like given your guidance and what you did last year, you're going to average mid to high 3 same store revenue growth over the 2020 2021 period. When you're sitting back 2 years ago, Halloween 2019 before COVID, is this about Where are you guys expected to be in terms of portfolio rents and combined same store growth over the 2 year period? Or Is there something here that some markets that have been disappointing where you thought that you'd be higher than this, maybe a little lower than this?

Speaker 13

How would you sort of characterize that versus your own internal sort of budgeting over the 2021 period?

Speaker 2

Well, that's an interesting question, Rob. I mean, we certainly, in October 2019 did not foresee what happened over the last couple of years. I would tell you that, yes, I think broadly speaking, when you think about a long term sort of top line performance For our asset class, we would put it at, call it, 3.5 Plus or minus 3.5 percent plus or minus over a long period of time. And I think in a highly competitive business like ours, Where pricing is part of the competition toolset. I just think that that's a pretty reasonable Assumption to make and then our challenge as a management team is then to think about how do we Take volatility out of that performance stream.

Speaker 2

I think that particularly as a REIT paying hopefully a steady growing dividend, it's really important Think about that and that's why we have the strategy that we do in an effort to try to remove some of the volatility, but yet Still be in a position to drive that kind of top line growth. Now we do believe that over time also with platform capabilities that we should deliver results, top line results that would be, if you will, superior to normal market trends both as a combination of just the balance sheet strength we have, the technology platform that continues to Build out and add capabilities, a very robust revenue management system and then the things that we're doing with repositioning and redevelopment. So To say that over the last 2 years, at the end of the full 2 year cycle, we Revenue growth that was kind of in line with where we thought we'd be in October 2019. That's probably not too far off. So then we would have liked, but we got through it just fine.

Speaker 13

And any markets based on that that are sort of disappointed If I told you where you'd be operationally back in October 2019, presumably supply markets, Oversupplied markets were weaker, there were some issues like the DCs or the Houston's etcetera, but any markets that sort of stick out to you Over the combined 2 year period that are still either abnormally strong relative to what you would have thought or weaker than where you would have thought?

Speaker 2

I mean, the markets that have just been incredibly strong for us and continue to be are particularly Phoenix and Tampa, I would point to. Orlando had a dip there that we never would have expected in October of 2019. Orlando is a market that dipped More than we would have expected and that was a lot of impact surrounding COVID and the shutdown of the entertainment and theme park businesses in that market. And Houston has been a bit of a laggard as well, more so than we would have expected. But I think that broadly speaking, the portfolio did what we hoped it would do in some of our More secondary markets, markets like Greenville and Charleston and Savannah, Nashville and Jacksonville have Continue to produce the kind of the more steady results that we count on during times of volatility.

Speaker 2

And Atlanta has been it was a little weaker earlier last year, but it's come back really strong. So I wouldn't point to anything Yes, really surprising other than just those few I mentioned there.

Speaker 13

Okay. And then lastly for me, Al, when you take a look at property taxes today, I mean any of your markets where you basically got a bull's eye on your back given the increase in values, the trades in the market, Where rents are going, etcetera, is there any markets where you're really seeing material upward pressure even despite the material upward pressure Over call it the last almost decade?

Speaker 4

I think I would say on that Rob is combination of growing top lines and Right revenue growth and declining cap rates as Brad talks about has put pressure almost everywhere in our portfolio. There are areas that are more aggressive that we do expect more pressure. We talked Often about particularly Texas and Florida, those 2 are the most aggressive programs and they're both combined a little over 50 And of our tax liability, so we expect that to be the biggest area in 2022 to really challenge and we'll fight everything as we do And we'll see what happens. There's some factors that help us a bit in 2022 and that we'll have some areas that aren't assessing. I think Tennessee, North Carolina, they're not reassessing this year.

Speaker 4

Parts of our Georgia portfolio because we've appealed and we've completed those and there's kind of lock for a year or 2 when you've completed appeal. So There are some areas that are not going to see assessments there that's going to be helpful, but Texas and Florida are going to really challenge us. And so we're preparing for that. And with the growing top lines and improving cap rates, you expect that. We've talked about mid to upper single digit kind of Expectations in some of those markets and so that's what we'll have more to say about that as we end the year and put our guidance and certainly as we move into next year, but that's where the pressure should come from.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thanks guys. Appreciate it.

Operator

We will take our next question from Anthony Powell from Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker 2

Hi, good morning. Just a

Speaker 11

question on the dispositions. It's Amanda in Charlotte. Just Maybe cap rates there and I guess why selling those properties and what's your disposition I guess outlook for the next couple of years?

Speaker 2

Yes, this is Brad. First, I'll just start with why those properties. But we go through a process every year where we There are obviously multiple departments here that we sit down with and kind of go through what we want to look to sell potentially for next year. That Looking at properties that have some cash flow and CapEx needs that are Above what we're looking for in our overall portfolio is generally trend to older properties. We've got some where maybe there's some regulatory issues that We're looking at that we evaluate.

Speaker 2

We've got properties that are in markets where the rent growth is not really what we want it to be. So we go through that process every year really to identify the opportunities for us to sell excuse me, to sell for the following year. The other side of We're looking at what can we handle in terms of dilution and then what are our cash flow needs for the year, our funding needs. So All of that kind of goes into our process and we're in the process of doing that now for next year. So we'll certainly have more to say about that with our Release for next year.

Speaker 2

But in terms of what we're selling this year, the 2 in Savannah, the 1 in Charlotte, we raised our guidance in terms of that. Pricing was quite a bit higher than what we expected, frankly. The way we look at our pricing on these assets is we're looking at Our yield our trailing 12 month NOI yield and what we're getting on the proceeds there and From that basis, we're getting about a 4.2% yield on those. And just for cap rate comparison purposes, just So you can compare across markets, that's about a, call it, a 3.25 to 3.5 market cap rate. So very good pricing that we were able to And just as a reminder, those are 31 year old assets that we're selling in those markets.

Speaker 2

And so very, very strong pricing that we're seeing.

Speaker 12

Thanks. Good quarter.

Speaker 4

Thanks.

Operator

We will take our next question from Alex Thomas from Zelman and Associates, your line is open.

Speaker 14

Thank you. I wanted to double click on the Struggling lease up acquisition targets you mentioned earlier. Given just the robust revenue growth you're getting, It's hard to imagine that lease ups would be struggling. I'm curious what's driving that in your opinion? Is it the cost side?

Speaker 14

Is it Unknowledgable outsiders, marketing in the market, what's driving the opportunity?

Speaker 2

Well, Just to confirm, I mean, our lease ups are actually not struggling. Our lease ups are running well ahead of In terms of our pro form a and both in the leasing velocity and rents that we're getting. What I was making reference to was Out in the market, if you will, as we get later into the cycle, I think that there are some other development projects that are out there That may start to run into some challenges surrounding supply chain delivery issues, late deliveries. And I was suggesting that some of that may come into play with other third party developers that are out there that may Then drive some purchasing opportunities for us as we get into next year. But our lease ups Are actually doing very well and better than we expected.

Speaker 2

So just that's what I was referencing. We're not just talking about Struggling, Lisa. It's not ours. I'm talking about some others as we get it later into next

Speaker 14

year. Right, right. Yes, I was referring to the Potential opportunity set for acquiring those, not your own. But thank you for clarifying. And just looking at Where the demand is coming from, you mentioned the out of state relocations are doing well and moving out to single families down.

Speaker 14

What about the shifts between apartment renters within the market? Are you noticing a trend where They may be within the apartment renters going a little more suburban or any other trends there?

Speaker 3

No, the trend has continued on urban versus suburban back in 2021 or 2020, it sort of peaked the pricing gap there was 260 basis points as Suburban, I would say, it's safe to say was favored and urban was affected a little bit more by supply. That's narrowed to 60 basis points and both are excellent now. So we're seeing and we saw that With AB assets, the deltas just closed, and the strength is across the board now. So both AB and urban suburban assets Or within the norm of our blended rent growth for the quarter for 15 plus percent growth. So that delta has

Speaker 2

Closed.

Speaker 14

Got it. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

We'll take our next question from John Pawlowski from Green Cheats. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks so much. Brad, just one clarifying question on the cap rates you referenced For Charlotte and Savannah, 4.2 on trailing 12 months, but was it the seller or was it the buyer Market cap rate that you were referring to in the low 3s once you adjust for taxes and insurance, is that accurate?

Speaker 2

Yes, that's correct.

Speaker 8

Okay. And then, Al, you mentioned growing personnel pressures you expect over the coming years. Can you just give us a bit more detail? Are we talking closer to 5% or 15%? Just order of magnitude what you expect In terms of personnel cost pressures?

Speaker 4

I mean, I would refer to the 3 primary areas I've talked about, John, and all of them, the 3 probably The largest expense categories we have are close to it. I'd say I would look at personnels, but as repair and maintenance and taxes, all of those Combined there are probably 2 thirds of our expenses mentioned those. And on personnel, obviously, and I'll let Tom give the details. This is challenging today to keep our workforce, To keep it all the positions we need and it's very competitive and you might have more details on exactly what that would be next year. We haven't really we're going through the details now to look at Property by property, market by market, the challenge we're seeing.

Speaker 4

So we'll have more to say about that when we put our Q4 out. But in all of those categories, you're looking Call it a mid single digit kind of number likely for 2022, somewhere around plus or minus something for all three of those.

Speaker 2

Yes. John, this is Eric. I mean, the thing I would tell you is that what we're obviously working to do to Combats some of the pressures on labor costs with among our own workforces, we are continuing to Introduce more technologies that are frankly allowing us the opportunities to eliminate positions. We eliminated 30 leasing positions this year, we'll probably be looking at eliminating close to 50 next year through attrition. And I think that there are various things that we're doing like that in an effort to sort of React to not only the opportunities surrounding new technology that's coming into becoming available, but In an effort to sort of push back some of the pressure surrounding what's happening in the labor markets broadly speaking, where We probably today experienced the most pressure from a labor cost perspective is on contract labor, where we are forced to go out and hire 3rd party vendors or 3rd party contractors to come in and do certain activities, that's where we've seen more of the pressure from a labor perspective.

Speaker 2

But We believe that through various programs that we have within our company from an HR Coupled with the efforts that we've got underway with new technologies and the ability to get more efficient with our headcount levels That we'll probably keep the labor costs itself. I'm going to put it in probably a 4% to 5% range, would be, I would think comfortable to be able to deliver on that kind of performance.

Speaker 8

Okay, great. I appreciate the details. Thanks, guys.

Operator

We will take our next question from John Kim from BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Thank you. Historically, you've been able to push renewals higher than new lease rates, Just given the cost and inconvenience for revenue to move around, when do you think that environment returns?

Speaker 3

John, right now, we're as you mentioned, we're probably $300 behind On renewals of where we would historically be. So that opportunity is still to be captured. And I would As long right now new lease rates are moving at such a pace, it is we are behind the mark on renewals. It is honestly pretty difficult to predict when that gap closes, but we're encouraged by the trajectory.

Speaker 2

Behind the mark, meaning that the new lease pricing for new moving customers is $300 more than what we're charging on a renewal lease. And frankly, as long as the demand level stays as high as it is and we get the tailwinds From the migration trends and what's happening in single family housing and so on and so forth, we think that that probably Fuels and ability to continue to command a higher price, if you will, from a new move in Customer on a new lease. So I when that changes and we go back to a scenario where renewal pricing is exceeding On an absolute dollar amount exceeding what we're charging new customers is hard to forecast, but we don't see it happening anytime in the next year or so.

Speaker 10

And on the rent growth,

Speaker 7

I don't know if you still look at your portfolio as post versus legacy MAA, but Is there any difference between rent growth in Class A versus Class B, just given new supply hitting the market and affordability consent?

Speaker 3

There was, John. I mean, on AB assets back in the Q4 of 2020, that gap was 310 basis points And it's closed to about 70 basis points now with both very strong at 14.7% and 15.4%. So it is It's really more a market differentiation on performance than an asset class or urban suburban at this point. It has And very strong consistently.

Speaker 7

Class A getting the higher rent growth or Class B?

Speaker 2

Class A is 14.7%, Class B is 15.4%. It's really where you see Pressure on Class A is not so much a market function, it's more a supply issue. Whenever you see new In a location, frankly, oftentimes that is going to be a more direct competitor to our existing A Class product, A Class portfolio. So to some degree, the performance delta is more a function of supply coming to the market and which part of our portfolio and price point of our portfolio is it more likely to impact.

Speaker 7

And are the developers of this new project, are they offering concessions?

Speaker 2

It varies. In some locations they do and some they don't. It's hard to give you a widespread. I would tell you that The presence of concessions in the market generally does not exist today versus a year ago. And so broadly, concessions You don't really see that much in the market anywhere at this point.

Speaker 7

That's great. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thanks, John.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Nick Yulico from Social Bank. Your line is open.

Speaker 12

Thanks. Al, I just wanted to go back to the expense topic for next year. And I mean it sounds like Should we think about expense growth starting at 5% as a reasonable number higher than this year overall?

Speaker 4

Yes, that was really that's a good question. I guess really the kind of the point I was trying to get across earlier is that those 3 When you take those 3 largest areas we talked about that's now over 2 thirds of expenses and you've got that mid single digits kind of number that's certainly reasonable and we'll have Say about that as we move as we give our guidance, but that is going to be those 3 are going to be big drivers for next year's and the pressure that we see on expenses.

Speaker 12

Okay. Thank you. And then my second question is just on rental pricing and how we should think about this because In the Q3, right, you had blended pricing was up 16% Sorry, that was October 16%. I think it was 15% for the Q3. When we look at some of the industry data, a year ago, Rents in your markets were kind of not up.

Speaker 12

They weren't really impacted. They were sort of slightly down year over year or maybe flattish. And so it really feels like what's happening here in this quarter or right now is you have this comparison period where the numbers are very high because a year ago there was no Rent growth. And so you're almost getting like 2 years of rent growth in 1 quarter or in October right now. And so As we just kind of think about where rents could be trending going forward realizing there's you eventually hit some comp issues next But really the way is it the right way for us to think about blended pricing right now is something like half of what the number is.

Speaker 12

So it's Maybe really 7% to 8% on an annual basis, not because it's not it's very hard to see how it continues at 15%. But is it a reasonable thing to think that Really on an annual basis, it's sort of half of that right now?

Speaker 2

Well, Nick, this is Eric. It's kind of hard to answer that specifically. The thing let me break it down And explain to you, the renewal pricing performance Is driven by a different set of factors. Renewal pricing, as was alluded to earlier in one of the earlier questions, It has a lot more influence surrounding the ability for us to be a little bit more aggressive there because people really just want to avoid the hassle of moving. Obviously supply demand dynamics factor into what we can do on renewal pricing to some degree as well.

Speaker 2

But also are they happy? Have we done a good job of keeping them serviced and responsive to their needs and so on and so forth? So I think that what we find is that renewal Pricing, which is, call it, roughly half or so of the blended performance is it tends to be a lot more stable and tends to be a lot Steadier, if you will, over the course of the year. And I would tell you that back to what Tom was mentioning a moment ago, when you look at the absolute rent amount that is being charged for new moving customers versus the absolute rent amount being charged for renewal customers, There is room to continue to push pretty hard on the renewal pricing without eclipsing or going above the new lease pricing. So We think that the outlook and the trajectory for renewal pricing is likely to remain fairly stable and growing and positive, More or less consistent with what we're seeing now and don't really see why that would materially weaken.

Speaker 2

New lease pricing for new customers coming in tends to be a much more volatile number. And not only do you have market dynamics that But you've also got seasonal factors that work into the equation a little bit. And so I think that as we think about What's driving rent growth this year, and particularly as it relates to new lease pricing, new customers moving in, There is some of the COVID unbundling, if you will, that's going on that, as you point out, will start to taper off, if you will, at some point. But the other variables surrounding job growth, migration trends, the inability for people to go out And buy homes at pricing that has gotten above what they can afford and so forth. Those variables are likely to continue for Some time as we see.

Speaker 2

And certainly, the overall migration trends and demand for apartment housing across our region has Continue to be very robust. So I think that new lease pricing is probably inflated a little bit right now as a consequence of Sort of coming out of COVID. And so to some degree, if you want to think about moderation taking place as we get sort of past the COVID influence altogether, It probably does show up a little bit more so in new lease pricing. And to put a number to that right now is kind of hard because We don't know which of those variables is necessarily creating the most impact. I would tell you probably is job growth And migration trends and what's happening to single family housing more so than any sort of COVID unbundling effect that's going on.

Speaker 12

Okay, great. Appreciate it. Thanks, Eric.

Operator

We have no further questions. I will return the call over to MAA for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

No closing remarks. We appreciate everyone joining us and obviously follow-up with any questions you may have. Thank you.

Operator

This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time.

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