CBRE Group Q3 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 27, 2021

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the CBRE's Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Kristin Fairmont, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Strategic Finance.

Operator

Thank you. You may

Speaker 1

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to CBRE's Q3 2021 earnings conference call. Earlier today, we issued a press release announcing our financial results, which is posted on the Investor Relations page of our website, dbre.com, along with a presentation slide deck that you can use to follow along with our prepared remarks as well as an Excel file that contains additional supplemental materials. Please note, we have added some new detail to our Real Estate Investment segment tab. Before we kick off today's call, I'll remind you that this presentation contains forward looking statements that involve a number of risks and uncertainties. Examples of these statements include our expectations regarding CBRE's future growth prospects, including 2021 qualitative outlook and multiyear growth time, profitability, expenses, margins, adjusted EPS and the effect of both cost savings initiatives in the COVID pandemic, call, the integration and performance of acquisitions and other transactions and any other statements regarding matters that are not historical fact.

Speaker 1

Call, we urge you to consider these factors and remind you that we undertake no obligation to update the information contained on this call to reflect subsequent events or circumstances. Call, you should be aware that these statements should be considered estimates only and certain factors may affect us in the future and could cause actual results to Please refer to this morning's earnings release and our most recent annual and quarterly reports filed on Form 10 ks and Form 10 Q, respectively. Call, we have provided reconciliations of adjusted EPS, adjusted EBITDA, net revenue and certain other non GAAP financial measures call, included in our remarks to the most directly comparable GAAP measures together with explanations of these measures in the appendix of the presentation slide deck. Our agenda for this morning's call will be as follows. 1st, I'll provide an overview of our quarterly financial results.

Speaker 1

Next, Bob Cylentic, our President and CEO, will discuss our recent strategic investments and how they support our 4 dimension diversification strategy. Then Emma Giammartino, our Chief Financial and Investment Officer will discuss the quarter in detail along with our revised Now please turn to Slide 4, which highlights our Q3 2021 results. Total revenue grew approximately 20% to a new 3rd quarter record of about $6,800,000,000 while net revenue grew over 28% to nearly $4,200,000,000 time, notably all our advisory service business lines, including leasing generated more revenue than they did in Q3 2019. The quarter also benefited from the work we completed last year on our cost structure as well as our continued financial discipline. Overall, GAAP EPS rose nearly 135 percent to $1.28 while adjusted EPS grew about 92% $1.39 Compared with Q3 2019, these metrics were up approximately 71% 76%, respectively.

Speaker 1

Now for deeper insights, please turn to Slide 6 for Bob's remarks. Bob?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Kristen, and good morning, everyone. The diversification of our business across 4 dimensions, asset types, business lines, time, the benefits of this diversification were clearly evident in our 3rd quarter performance with adjusted EBITDA more than 60% level above the Q3 2019 peak, record Q3 margins and strong top line growth conference call across all global regions. Our leaders around the world have been adept at identifying and securing compelling opportunities To grow our business across the four dimensions of diversification, we have committed approximately $2,000,000,000 of capital already this year 2 secondarily favored areas, including green energy and infrastructure project management with our Turner and Townsend investment, Flex Office Solutions with our industrious investment and logistics and multifamily assets in our Real Estate Investments segment. These investments position us well to make additional capital and organic investments that will drive earnings call for years to come. We're also making substantial investments to grow our business organically.

Speaker 2

These include deeper asset type specialization in both our brokerage and real estate investment management businesses and client sector specialization in our GWS business. Time, we're expanding our real estate development business into new international markets. With our strong balance sheet and cash flow generation, As well as the work we've done to streamline costs and capture the benefits of scale, we are positioned to continue growth initiatives like these well into the future. At the same time, we are committed to returning cash to our shareholders and are evaluating all potential avenues for such returns. I will close by noting that we will update our multiyear growth framework when we report Q4 results in February.

Speaker 2

Time, I'll hand the call over to Emma.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Bob, and good morning, everyone. Turning to Slide 8, let's start with our Advisory segment. This segment rebounded strongly from the pandemic suppressed levels of Q3 2020 and performed very well compared with pre pandemic activity in 2019. Call, in my comments today, I'll include compares with Q3 2019 for the transactional business lines. We believe this is the best barometer of how these business lines are faring.

Speaker 3

Advisory services net revenue and operating profit set new 3rd quarter records, surpassing the Q3 2019 peak by 13% 29%, respectively. This strong performance reflects not only our ability to capture reviving demand for real estate services, call, but also our diligent focus on managing costs during the recovery. This strong operating profit growth also reflects a $8,500,000 gain from our Industrious investment. Leasing continued to bounce back strongly, particularly outside the U. S, call, with global revenue up 58% from Q3 2020 and 7% from the Q3 2019 peak.

Speaker 3

All three regions generated leasing revenue above Q3 2019 peak levels, up 4% in the Americas, 20% in EMEA and 11% in APAC. Office demand in the U. S. Continues to trail pre pandemic levels. Time, however, the shortfalls from the 2019 peak levels narrowed to just 16% in Q3 versus 54% in Q2.

Speaker 3

We also continue to see strong small deal performance with revenue from U. S. Leasing transactions below $1,000,000 quarter, up about 8% versus Q3 2019, while the contribution from large deals over $1,000,000 remained about 5% below its pre pandemic level. Property sales activity remained robust. All regions exceeded their pre pandemic peaks time, with global property sales up 93% from Q3 2020 and 27% from the Q3 2019 peak.

Speaker 3

Like in leasing, U. S. Office sales activity saw significant improvement coming in just 16% below Q3 2019 levels versus 31% in Q2. Time, an improved investment market also helped generate strong growth in commercial mortgage origination. Revenue rose 41% quarter from Q3 2020 and 11% from the Q3 2019 peak.

Speaker 3

Both the government agencies and private lenders were noticeably more active in Q3. Time, we expect the agency's higher lending caps for 2022 coupled with a healthy appetite from private lenders and the attractive yields available from real estate debt call to provide a supportive backdrop heading into next year. Strong origination activity helped to drive a 19% increase versus the prior year quarter in our loan servicing portfolio, which reached $300,000,000,000 at quarter's end. The portfolio growth propelled us quarter, we have accelerated more than 27%, reflecting particularly strong growth in the time, moving to Slide 9. Our Global Workplace Solutions segment again posted solid revenue and segment operating profit growth across its global business pace.

Speaker 3

Revenue rose over 8% from Q3 2020, comprised of 21% growth in project management and 6% in facilities management. Total GWS segment operating profit rose over 16% compared with Q3 2020. Our local client business was a standout performer accounting for a quarter of total segment operating profit. This growth has been driven in part by selective infill M and A. Importantly, despite evidence of increased inflation throughout the economy, we believe our GWS business is well protected by contract provisions that enable us to factor inflation into our pricing annually or even more frequently in certain cases.

Speaker 3

We are optimistic about the future growth trajectory of GWS. Call, our new business pipeline is growing and remains well diversified with representation from Financial Services, Industrial, Life Sciences and Technology clients. The pipeline increased markedly from Q222 and is up from both Q3 2020 and Q3 2019. Time, we expect continued pipeline strength as the business environment increasingly settles into a new normal. Turning to Slide 10, call, our Real Estate Investments segment continued to deliver strong growth with segment operating profit nearly matching last quarter's record level.

Speaker 3

Time, this performance reflects how well positioned our Development and Investment Management businesses are to capitalize on the strong investment climate and the flow of capital

Speaker 4

time, we are pleased to announce that we have a very strong financial

Speaker 3

performance in our current market. Quarter, rising to 16.8

Speaker 4

quarter, we expect to be approximately

Speaker 3

$1,000,000 of AUM or over 26 percent of the total. Fundraising also remains strong as the performance of our funds and separate accounts new capital. Dry powder rose 6% from Q2 to $13,200,000,000 Looking at the business as a whole, call, we're on track to surpass 20 nineteen's record performance across all key financial metrics by a substantial margin. On Slide 11, we'll briefly walk through our revised qualitative 2021 outlook. We now expect full year global advisory sales revenue to be about 15% above the 2019 peak and Global Leasing to fall 5% or so short of peak.

Speaker 3

Q4 will likely see more moderate sales and leasing growth rates time, we've experienced the last few quarters as prior year comparisons become tougher. However, both U. S. Sales and time, we have been running well ahead of 2019 peak levels thus far in October. Across the rest of our advisory business, call, we reiterate expectations for low double digit revenue growth on a combined basis.

Speaker 3

We also anticipate stronger incremental margin expansion than we previously forecast call due to the more robust revenue growth. The Q4 net margin should be around the 22.7% achieved in the prior year Q4. Call, we expect the benefit of more revenue from high margin business lines will likely be offset by increased discretionary spending to drive growth and by lower OMSR gains compared with Q4 2020. In GWS, we expect mid to high single digit net revenue growth accompanied by operating profit growth of 20% or more year over year conference call before contributions from the Turner and Townsend transaction. Our policy is to reflect transactions once closed.

Speaker 3

Currently, we expect this transaction to close early next week. Given this timing, we anticipate the transaction will contribute about $160,000,000 to $170,000,000 in revenue and about $20,000,000 to $25,000,000 in operating profit to our 2021 consolidated November December are usually seasonally light months for the company. For calendar year 2021, Turner and Townsend is time, we expect to generate roughly $1,000,000,000 in net revenue at the current spot rate with a similar operating profit margin to their prior fiscal year. Point, importantly, as I noted previously, our broader GWS new business pipeline is building, and we expect to see the benefit from this in 2022 and beyond. For REI, we have raised our expectations modestly, driven by Investment Management.

Speaker 3

We now expect this business lines revenue to rise in the lowtomidteens range and its operating profit to increase by at least 30% versus 2020. This includes some incremental OpEx investments slated for the 4th quarter. Time, we continue to expect Global Development operating profit to roughly triple the $122,000,000 generated in 2019. This reflects the movement of some transactions previously expected to close in Q3 to Q4. Call, we are developing properties in markets and sectors with strong underlying fundamentals and expect to continue monetizing these assets in Q4 and for the next several years.

Speaker 3

As we've noted in past quarters, corporate segment expenses will be up from both 2019 2020 and are expected to end the year at just over 2% of total net revenue. Year to date, discretionary operating expenses have been trending well below pre COVID levels. Time, we expect some of these expenses to gradually return as business activity recovers. Flipping to Slide 12. Time, we've strengthened our balance sheet while committing approximately $2,000,000,000 thus far in 2021 to long term growth initiatives, call, while also returning $188,000,000 to shareholders through repurchases.

Speaker 3

Trailing 12 month free cash flow generation reached a company record at over $1,900,000,000 As a result, we ended the quarter with time, we expect to maintain our net cash position in Q4 call, even with our initial payment for our stake in Turner and Townsend, which will be about $700,000,000 We will continue to prioritize investments that enhance our diversification, time, we are pleased to continue investing in our growth, while returning capital to our shareholders and maintaining a strong balance Our market leading position, the underlying momentum in our business and our substantial balance sheet capacity make us very excited about our future growth prospects. Time, we look forward to closing out 2021 with another strong quarter. With that, operator, please open the line for questions.

Operator

Call, thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question has come from the line of Andrew Rosovich with Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Hey, everybody. Thanks for taking my call and congrats again for an amazing quarter. One just really small housekeeping question, you had an increase in stock compensation expense in the quarter. Is that something that's just contractual, that's just related to the stock being up 70% this year and the performance that you've had?

Speaker 3

So yes, we put in place $100,000,000 buyback this quarter, but going forward, buybacks will be a part of our capital allocation strategy and we're going to balance it with the remainder of our of how we look at we allocate our capital across M and A and organic investments. But it is a part of a programmatic buyback.

Speaker 1

And then Hey, Andrew, this is Kristen. Just to jump in for a moment, you're right. The increase in stock compensation expense is basically purely a result of the fact that the financial performance has been so robust.

Speaker 4

Got it. So if we were going to the only reason why we repeat again in 2022 would be again if CBRE had outstanding performance?

Speaker 1

Yes.

Speaker 4

Great. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Paolone with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 5

Okay, thanks. Good morning. My first question Regards inflation and was wondering if you can comment on just the overall effect on the business and whether that brings some costs that you had cut year back a little bit sooner? And then the second part of the inflation question for me relates to GWS and whether There's a material impact on things like maybe incentive contracts where you're maybe going to earn money if you saved this The client certain costs, but maybe that's harder now because of inflation?

Speaker 3

Yes, absolutely. So I think how common overall on our business, we feel very comfortable that we're well positioned to weather inflationary pressures across our business. I didn't mention in my remarks that We see a natural hedge within our GWS contracts overall and then we also see a natural hedge in other parts of our business with property management, for example. So within property management, as rents rise, as inflation rises, our revenue and property management also rises. And then on the transactional side of the business, it tends to benefit from inflation, Given that inflation tends to only happen when the economy is expanding.

Speaker 3

So across all those businesses, we feel very comfortable that we can weather The inflationary environment and I will note that the one business that we are monitoring and focused on is our development business. And but what we've seen so far is that the very strong valuations in that business have more than offset any inflationary pressures.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then on the leasing side, it sounds like office is improving, but still below prior peaks. Can you give us a sense as to what that order of magnitude is right now or perhaps even what the leasing revenue time, for you all in dollars would be if office got back to normal?

Speaker 1

So I don't I think we're prepared to throw out a specific number right now, but we feel really good about the leasing trajectory so far during October for the U. S.

Speaker 5

Okay. But is it compared to say prior peaks, is this off like 5% or 30% Just any order of magnitude?

Speaker 1

So we haven't been more specific than to talk Specifically just about U. S. Leasing overall, we haven't drilled down into property type and I don't think we want to get that granular right now. But we did identify the fact that U. S.

Speaker 1

Leasing so far is actually trending above the prior 2019 peak so far in the month of October.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then last question in REI, You laid out the expected growth between Investment Management and Development. Just wondering, I think When you have your supplemental disclosure, you show also like an overhead, I guess, amount in Hana kind of losses. Is there A piece of that we should think about as well to net into sort of those brackets?

Speaker 3

We expect those Pana Losses to continue to decline. We've transferred that business over to Industrious and we're still holding some leases, but the occupancy in those leases continues to increase. So that as that increases, those losses should decline over the next year.

Speaker 5

Okay. But if I'm just thinking about the REI segment in totality, if I just do the up 30% that you laid out and then the triple on development that gets us to about $548,000,000 for the year. Do we have to net time, we expect to see some amount of overhead against that for that segment's

Speaker 1

Specifically guide to that number, but I think you can probably look at the last few quarters to get an idea.

Speaker 5

Okay, great.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Steve Sakwa with Evercore. Please proceed with your

Speaker 6

Yes, thanks. Good morning. Bob or Emma, I was just curious if you could maybe share your thoughts on just office in general and commentary and comments you're having with seniors about bringing people back to the office, how they're using work, hybrid work, what that means for the office long term and just sort of how that dovetails in with your industrious investment?

Speaker 2

Well, that's a complex question, Steve. The industrious investment, we believe is a bit of a hedge against Not even a bit, a significant hedge against what we have said now for some time is that we expect there to be some downward pressure on the office product point relative to where it has been historically. But we've studied this flex dynamic over and over and over and spent a huge amount of time with our occupier clients and the general view is that they expect flex space to be a bigger portion of their office space use going forward than it has been historically and landlords expect it to be a fixture in their buildings in general going forward. So We think the future for Industrious is quite bright. We voted with our pocketbook as they stay when we invested in that business and we are prepared to make an incremental investments to support their growth, we're quite bullish about what might happen with Industrious.

Speaker 2

As it relates to the office product time, in general, I think our company and our own plans about what to do with our people is a bit of proxy for what's going on in the marketplace, there's uncertainty. We had thought we would have a significant return to the office kind of inflection point after Labor Day Because people were more and more aimed at getting their teams back into the office for all the reasons we know collaboration, culture, etcetera. Well, when the Delta variant came, it pushed that back. We now think that inflection point is probably going to be the 1st of the year. And we think people will come back to the office in the same way they would have come back to the office had the Delta variant not occurred.

Speaker 2

And our view that we've articulated for the past several quarters is that's going to be something like 80%, 85 percent of where it was before. But again, we're all trying to figure out what the future of office space is going to be. But we believe what we've really seen is a delay from Labor Day to the 1st of the year. And I can tell you, I interface with a lot of clients, interface with a lot of CEOs And talk to them about their plans. In general, they believe that getting back to the office in a significant way, not all the way back to where they were before, there will be hybrid And we think that's going to impact our business positively.

Speaker 2

One thing that I believe close to not arguable, what we're seeing today is not as good as what we're going to see in the future as it relates to office buildings. We're still significantly impacted by COVID. But as you saw, the gap between peak leasing performance in the office sector in the 3rd quarter was meaningfully smaller than it was in the 2nd quarter.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks. And then maybe a question for Emma. I just want to circle back on the buybacks because I think you did ramp up activity in the Q3. And I think either in the last call or the call before, you guys had talked about maybe having a bit more of a programmatic share buyback program.

Speaker 6

And given that your leverage is below 0, I mean, is that something we should be thinking about that $100,000,000 as being a bit of a placeholder for buybacks?

Speaker 3

Yes. So we're at the point right now where We're obviously in a very positive net cash position at 0.3 turns. We've generated a record amount of free cash flow over the last 12 months. So we're very happy with our balance sheet position and our free cash flow generation and we're really taking this time to reassess time, what our capital allocation strategy is and how we're going to return cash to shareholders. And so we think we're We're in a really strong position.

Speaker 3

We're still very focused on looking for avenues to invest in our company, both organically and through M and A, where we can drive growth and resiliency. And we're going to do some more work around how we balance that with our with cash return to shareholders. And so I'm not yet ready to speak about it more specifically, but as we continue to evolve our thinking, we'll be sure to be transparent with all of you.

Operator

Our next questions come from the line of Stephen Sheldon with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning. Thanks. So it sounds like you've seen a pretty big sequential step up in the GWS pipeline, but what's driving a slightly lower growth outlook for GWS now in 2021, I think mid to high single digits now. I think you talked about high single digits previously. And how big of an issue are labor challenges in that business and your ability to staff and I guess launch new contracts?

Speaker 2

I don't think labor challenges are causing problems in terms of launching new contracts. They are causing some challenges in terms staffing, we and our clients are like everybody else. There's a real war for talent and it's impacting the things we do. What you're seeing on the rebuild of the pipeline and the relative slightly relative downward pressure we've seen on the growth trajectory of the enterprise portion of our outsourcing business is that people have found it difficult to make decisions not knowing what's going to go on with office space And they found it difficult to make decisions because they aren't in the office together Coordinating all the things you need to coordinate to make massive commitments the way outsourcing contracts require you to make to move forward at the pace we're moving forward before these commitments that these occupiers are making on these outsourcing contracts can be multi $1,000,000,000 commitments over years. And so when the teams that are dealing with the strategy and the procurement teams And the C suite aren't in the office interfacing with each other, aren't certain about where they're going to go, things slow down.

Speaker 2

Now we're seeing a market increase, significant increase in our pipeline from where we were a year ago, which is indicative of the fact that people are getting back to being able to make these decisions with a little more clarity. But that's really what you're seeing in terms of the pipeline where it was a year ago, where it was 2 years ago and where it is now.

Speaker 7

Got it. Makes sense. And then I guess on the transactional business lines, I guess, what are you seeing in capital markets and pipeline heading into the seasonally important Q4. And are you starting to get, I guess, any visibility end of the transactional businesses as you look into the early part of 2022?

Speaker 2

There is a huge amount of capital out there trying to get into the real estate space and that's particularly true time, with industrial assets, with life sciences assets, with multifamily assets and even with Office assets, they're high quality and have the right tendency. So we think this year has been a great year for Capital Markets for both sales and financing and we think we're going to have another great year next year. The trajectory on leasing is very positive. The quarter over quarter trajectory and comparative peak year is very positive. And so we believe next year will be a good year for leasing.

Speaker 2

How good it's going to unfold as we go through the Q4. I will tell you that October has been very encouraging.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you and congrats on the results. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn call, back over to Bob Selentik for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thanks everyone for joining us and we look Look forward to talking with you again when we report our year end numbers.

Operator

Thank you for your participation.

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