Alaska Air Group Q3 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • In Q3, Alaska Air Group delivered adjusted net income of $187 million and a 12% pretax margin—its first profitable quarter on an adjusted basis since the pandemic—with an 80% load factor and RASM down only 18% versus Q3 2019.
  • For Q4, the airline plans capacity 13–16% below Q4 2019 and, despite the Delta variant cutting roughly $200 million in revenue, expects a breakeven to slightly positive pretax margin, with upside if demand rebounds faster.
  • Year-to-date debt repayments of $1.2 billion have driven the debt-to-capitalization ratio down 10 points to 51%, supported by $3.6 billion in liquidity at quarter-end and manageable 2022 debt service of ~$375 million.
  • Alaska is accelerating its single-fleet strategy, taking delivery of two more 737-9s this quarter and firming options for 12 additional aircraft, targeting 93 737-9s by 2024 to replace Airbus A320s and enable growth.
  • The carrier has expanded its OneWorld/American partnership by 43% with 195 new codeshare routes, boosting international connectivity (e.g., Seattle–Doha) and positioning to capture a larger share of corporate travel.
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Earnings Conference Call
Alaska Air Group Q3 2021
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There are 19 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning. My name is Sia, and I will be the conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Alaska Air Group 2021 Third Quarter Earnings Release Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded and will be accessible for future playback at alaskaair.com. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise.

Operator

After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session for analysts. Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Alaska Air Group's Managing Director of Investor Relations, Emily Halvorsen. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Sia, and good morning. Thanks for joining us for our Q3 2021 earnings call. This morning, we issued our earnings release, which is available at investor. Alaskaair.com. On today's call, you'll hear updates from Ben, Andrew and Shane.

Speaker 1

Several others of our management team are also on the line to answer your questions during the Q and A portion of our call. This morning, Air Group reported 3rd quarter GAAP net income of $194,000,000 Excluding special items and mark to market fuel hedge adjustments, Air Group reported adjusted net income of $187,000,000 Pre tax margins were 12%, a 15 point improvement from the prior quarter. This marks our 1st profitable quarter on an adjusted basis since the pandemic began. As a reminder, our comments today will include forward looking statements about future performance, which may differ materially from our actual results. Information on risk factors that could affect our business can be found in our SEC filings.

Speaker 1

We will also refer to certain non GAAP financial measures such as adjusted earnings and unit costs excluding fuel. And as usual, we've provided a reconciliation between the most directly comparable GAAP and non GAAP measures in today's earnings release. Ben, over to you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Emily, and good morning, everyone. Air Group's $187,000,000 adjusted net income marks an inflection point On our path to recovery. During our last earnings call, we forecasted a double digit third quarter pretax margin. And despite the impact of the Delta COVID variant, we delivered. Our 12% pre tax margin solidly led the industry And was just 6 points shy of our Q3 2019 margin.

Speaker 2

I'm proud of how our company is emerging strong from the pandemic I'm looking forward to when the recovery is stable and less likely to undergo demand shocks due to variance. Our approach from the beginning has been deliberate, Scaling our business back in a measured way, leveraging our strong balance sheet and running our operation to produce consistent industry leading financial performance, No matter what the external circumstances, our 3rd quarter results reflect the strength of the summer season with pent up leisure demand Bringing passengers back to the skies. While 4th July and Labor Day passenger employments approach 2019 levels, Even with the dampening impact that the Delta variant had on demand in August and beyond, our 3rd quarter load factor came in at 80% And total revenue was down just 18% on a year over 2 basis, a 15 point improvement sequentially from the 2nd quarter. Our unit costs were up 9% in the 3rd quarter, beating the better end of our guidance range. This solid cost execution reflects incremental progress Towards our productivity goals as passengers per FTE increased 6% sequentially falling just 12 points below 2019 levels for the quarter.

Speaker 2

Shane will provide more detail about our cost performance and pressures we are seeing in a few cost categories. Looking forward, Our longer term thinking about our approach to the recovery remains intact. Despite the transient choppiness we're experiencing from the Delta variant, Our plan is still to return to our pre COVID size no later than next summer and then to grow from there. We anticipate recovery will continue to be volatile at times as we learn to live with COVID and until demand ultimately normalizes. Our job is to deliver consistently strong financial and operational performance no matter what course the recovery takes.

Speaker 2

And Q3 has shown us that when demand does come back, Our business model is tuned for success. Looking ahead to the Q4, we plan to increase our capacity to 13% to 16% Below Q4 of 2019 and given the dampening effect of the Delta variant, we expect to deliver breakeven to slightly positive pre tax margins. If the pace of the recovery accelerates from here, there will be upside to our expectations. This quarter's results were only Because of the hard work of our frontline employees and crews, their dedication to delivering an efficient operation with our culture of kindness and caring At the heart of our success. I want to thank them for their efforts and for putting Air Group amongst the top performers in the industry in on time arrivals and completion rates once again this quarter.

Speaker 2

Our guests have shown their appreciation for that great service too. Guest satisfaction scores have exceeded internal targets Every month so far in 2021. Sustaining operational performance with high guest satisfaction is a remarkable achievement given how complex re ramping our operations as proven to be. Several quarters of improving demand and financial performance have provided the stability to invest in repairing our balance sheet. Year to date, we have made gross debt repayments of $1,200,000,000 Driving our debt to capitalization ratio down 10 points from year end 2020 to 51% And moving within reach of our sweet spot for leverage between 40% to 50%.

Speaker 2

Having deleveraged so quickly from our pandemic borrowings makes Clear to me that we made the right decision in not diluting shareholders during the depths of the crisis, even though that is not yet something the market is rewarding us We are making progress each quarter on our path to single fleet. This quarter, we took delivery of 2 more 737-nine aircraft And also exercise options for 12 incremental firm airplanes to be delivered in 2023 2024. All told, we will have 93 730seven-nine aircraft in our fleet by 2024 with options for 52 additional airplanes. This fleet order not only replaces our departing Airbus 3.19320 fleet, but positions us for significant growth when demand comes back, which we expect will be in the back half of twenty twenty two. Importantly, we are in a financial position to take these deliveries while also maintaining our strong balance sheet.

Speaker 2

To close, I'm optimistic about the foundation we have laid to prepare for Air Group's We have a fantastic Boeing order book creating flexibility for significant growth through 2025, A low cost structure that allows us to compete with low fares supported by a strong balance sheet, a great onboard product match with industry leading customer service and operational A powerful domestic West Coast network supported with the One World alliance, a brand with a fierce customer loyalty behind it, And most importantly, a culture rooted in kindness and caring. I'd like to thank our people one more time for a great quarter. And with that, I'll turn it over to Andrew.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Ben, and good morning, everyone. Our comments today will focus on 3rd quarter performance, recent demand trends, Progress with our alliances and revenue guidance for the 4th quarter. Our 3rd quarter revenues came in at $1,900,000,000 Down 18% versus 2019. This was on flown capacity that was also down approximately 18%, resulting in near flat unit revenues. We were very happy with this result, especially as the impact of the Delta variant started showing up in a meaningful way at the end of July.

Speaker 3

Our revenue performance reflects a 15 point sequential improvement from last quarter, while capacity was just 3.5 points higher. Load factor sequentially increased 3 points to 80%, but the bigger revenue driver was strong sequential yields, which improved 13 points from last quarter to up 4% versus 2019. On a monthly basis, Loads were strongest in July at approximately 88%, then deteriorated to 81% in August and bottomed at 72% in September. In the same timeframe, yield deteriorated about 5 points from up 3.6% in July to down 1.5% in both on a year over 2 basis. These negative trends were all driven by the emergence of the Delta variant.

Speaker 3

Geographically, Hawaii represents 16% of our capacity and was our weakest performing region during the quarter, Given the travel advisories for the state, which damaged demand for Hawaii. In fact, the impact to our system results was to reduce RASM by 2.5 points. Considering the headwinds in Hawaii along with the broader impact of the Delta variant, I would characterize our Q3 revenue performance as strong. Our commercial team did a fantastic job managing revenue in a volatile demand environment. As I'll expand on momentarily, The consequences from the Delta variant have not yet dissipated and we're still working to build back Q4 bookings that were lost from the 4th COVID wave, Given it occurred during an important period for building Q4 traffic, but sticking with Q3 results for a moment longer, There are 2 bright spots that have steadily bucked trends for several quarters now, premium product performance and our loyalty program.

Speaker 3

On the premium product side, this quarter's paid load factor in our 1st class cabin was 3 points over 2019 And premium class cabin exceeded 2019 by 9 points. We continue to see strong demand for our premium products And we believe this will only continue as business demand returns along with international demand associated with our entry into 1 world. Regarding our loyalty program, this quarter we received the highest level of cash compensation in our airline's history, which was up 7% Our loyalty program is one of our most durable competitive advantages and we are squarely focused on maintaining and improving this momentum over the coming quarters. Now looking at our network, It's only it's been our priority throughout the recovery to quickly rebuild Seattle and restore the Pacific Northwest capacity. This approach is producing results as is evident from our revenue performance this quarter.

Speaker 3

We're also seizing opportunities to capitalize on demand shifts Reflecting on the year, we will have added 30 new markets and only discontinued 3. In short, Choices for our guests when combined with our strong relationship with American have improved significantly. Today, we're flying approximately 85% of our pre COVID network. Our Seattle hub capacity is fully restored with capacity above 2019, while overall Pacific Northwest flying is quickly approaching 2019 California recovery remains slower as we flew 65% of 2019 capacity during the quarter. I still expect that by the summer of next year, our California flying will be back to pre pandemic levels.

Speaker 3

As part of the California rebuild, we've recently announced that we're expanding our service from the Bay Area to Mexico, positioning Alaska with more nonstop flights Mexico from the West Coast and any other U. S. Carrier. Now turning to the future. The current revenue environment has certainly been challenging.

Speaker 3

But as I mentioned last call, my team is focused on building a strong commercial engine that will serve this company for a long time. One of the ways we'll do this is by leveraging the unique benefits available to us as part of One World. I'd like to give a shout out to the Alliance's team who have been working tirelessly to establish robust commercial agreements that will unlock flexibility and benefits for our guests. So far in 2021, we've added 195 incremental co share routes with 5 OneWorld partners, Increasing our co chair portfolio by 43%. This figure includes our recently announced agreements with Iberia and with Qatar.

Speaker 3

In very short order, we've seen Qatar become one of our top international partners as they efficiently connect our network with their nonstop services between Seattle, San Francisco and Los Angeles with their global hub in Doha. The Seattle Doha Nonstop, which was launched in January, has been especially strong. This success is an indication Alaska guests value our global portfolio and I'm eager to see their responses to American upcoming Seattle route launches to Shanghai and Bangalore in 2022. With American and our One World partners, our potential to capture international traffic out of Seattle and California is significant. One World and our partnership with American have also opened the door to greater access to corporate travel, And we believe Air Group is uniquely positioned to get more than our pre COVID corporate market share with the tools we're putting in place.

Speaker 3

On September 1, we activated for the first time our preferred partner status with American Express GBT, Enabling greater access to more corporate guests and quality traffic. I'm really looking forward to sharing more details with you about these new initiatives as well as many others In the spring. Now turning to the Q4 guidance. Although the Delta variant surge looks to be behind us, Its impact on bookings have left an unfavorable imprint on our Q4 expectations. Bookings deteriorated from 20% in July to down 35% in August and flirted with down 50% on a few booking days during the peak of the surge.

Speaker 3

While that rate of recovery since the peak has been slower than we experienced after the last surge this spring, over the last 7 days, We've seen bookings recover to down 10% year over $200,000,000 Although the trajectory of bookings today has improved, it is not enough to fully make up for what was lost in Q4. With this as our backdrop, we expect Q4 revenues to be down 16% to 19% on a year over 2 year basis. However, Our assumptions reflect weaker performance in October with total revenue down approximately 25%. So just looking at November December, Revenue is expected to be down between 13% 16%, right in line with our capacity reduction. From a unit revenue perspective, October RASM is shaping up to be down about 10% versus 2019, while November December could improve to nearly flat versus 2019.

Speaker 3

Filling our planes is a top priority, but we're using discounts cautiously with an eye on preserving yields, especially in a rising fuel environment. While we aren't making any predictions about what awaits us around the corner, improving rates of vaccination, availability of booster shots, The expected near term approval for vaccines for children and opening of international borders could have a positive impact on the recovery and the economy. However, the recovery unfolds, I'm very optimistic that our commercial model will deliver relative outperformance as we saw in Q3 And that our work to date has positioned us well. As Ben just shared, we expect our efforts to lead to a breakeven quarter with upside potential. And with that, I'll pass it to Shane.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Andrew, and good morning, everyone. As we've highlighted today, another quarter of sequential improvement and strong margins Underscore the durability of Alaska's business model. Underlying our industry leading results were July August performance that came within about 2 points of 2019 margin levels. I'm impressed by our team's execution and the results they delivered in such an unpredictable environment. In my commentary today, I'll provide insights On these results, our cash flows and liquidity, cost performance and our expectations going forward.

Speaker 4

I'll begin with cash flows and liquidity. We ended the quarter with $3,600,000,000 in total liquidity inclusive of on hand cash and undrawn lines of credit. This is down from $4,400,000,000 of total liquidity in June as we paid down nearly $550,000,000 in debt and made a $100,000,000 voluntary pension contribution. Debt repayment included retiring our $425,000,000 3.64 day loan And our pension contribution brings our funded status to 94% and also allowed us to capture a one time permanent tax benefit of $14,000,000 Q3 cash flows from operations were essentially breakeven, excluding pension funding. The sequential decline Q2 to Q3 was expected due to the absence of PSP grant inflows this quarter and the normal seasonal drawdown of ATL.

Speaker 4

However, as Andrew described in his commentary, the Delta variant stalled the otherwise strong demand recovery in the quarter And as a result, the ATL drawdown was higher than originally forecast. 4th quarter cash flows from operations are expected to be between negative $100,000,000 $0 exclusive of tax refunds and payments, which we expect to net to a positive $100,000,000 in the quarter depending on when we receive our anticipated 2020 tax refund. This forecast factors in the reduced cash intakes due to the impact on bookings of the Delta variant. Planned debt service for the remainder of the year is approximately $120,000,000 and we have no plans for further prepayments through the end of the year. With this quarter's debt retirements, our debt to cap has dropped to 51%, placing us just shy of our intended range as Ben shared.

Speaker 4

Today, our outstanding debt bears a relatively low weighted average effective rate of 3.3% and our 2022 debt service is very manageable At about $375,000,000 for the year, roughly a quarter that of 2021. Moving beyond 2022, annual debt service is in the range of 2.50 For the sustained return to profitability, I expect our net debt to EBITDA levels to move to approximately 2 times or less in 2022. Our liquidity and balance sheet are in great shape and we plan to leverage both as we fund our fleet order and eventually look forward to reactivating shareholder distributions, which we can do towards the end of next year. As of now, I expect our total liquidity to move to approximately $2,500,000,000 in 2022. Moving to costs, I will touch briefly on our Q3 performance and then focus on our cost trajectory over the next several months as we prepare for a return to growth.

Speaker 4

This quarter non fuel costs were $1,300,000,000 with unit costs up 9.3% versus 2019, Better than the guidance we issued in September. Our teams have continued to do a superb job meeting their internal cost plans and we also saw lower than expected medical costs in the quarter. Fuel costs rose again this quarter to $2.05 per gallon, up approximately 25% from where we started the year. With crude at $70 per barrel for the quarter, our fuel hedges provided a $21,000,000 benefit or $0.11 per gallon. We currently have 50% of our planned fuel consumption hedge for the next 6 months at an average strike price of $61 in Q4 $69 in Q1.

Speaker 4

Given the current spot prices of oil, we expect to continue to realize hedge benefits in Q4 and into 2022, Meaning we also expect to see fuel cost headwinds impact absolute margin performance in the near term. Looking forward, we continue to make steady progress on getting costs back That remains an expectation and priority of the leadership team. Our progression through 2021 has been solid With mainline CASM ex compared to the same month in 2019, up 19% in June, up 7% in September And likely to be up 4% to 5% in December. Capacity in December compared to 2019 levels is expected to still be down 13%. Capacity pressure

Speaker 3

is more acute for our

Speaker 4

Horizon operations as aggressive pilot hiring across the industry is expected to lead to abnormal attrition levels, creating lower capacity capability and consequently also pressuring their unit cost in the near term. We are also seeing modest pressure in entry level wages, which we believe is both an industry and general trend in the economy at large. And wage adjustments in this category are adding approximately $7,000,000 to the 4th quarter. Additionally, as we ramp to 100 percent of pre COVID capacity, we are onboarding more employees earlier than we normally would, Given our training throughput capacity, costs associated with additional training and carrying employees for the quarter are approximately $5,000,000 The costs associated with ramping capacity will normalize by next summer. In 2022, we will continue to reduce unit costs as capacity returns.

Speaker 4

Doing so is not without its challenges as we have 2 particular headwinds to offset. 1 is airport related costs as our airport partners run through CARES grants and return to fully charging airlines for both operations and capital expenses. The other areas of step up in transition costs related to the returning our Airbus fleet to lessors. The cost of returning aircraft were fully contemplated in our decision to return to a single fleet and the economics of doing so are strongly favorable long term. As we step squarely into the return window, we will be recognizing these expenses through the P and L in earnest.

Speaker 4

I expect the largest impact in 2022 A significant step down from there into 2023 and a final one down in 2024, which will provide a nice tailwind to our CASM ex trajectory as we exit 2022 and move through 2023. Notwithstanding the headwinds, we will emerge as an airline with a cost structure equal to or better than 2019 in Our cost restructuring targets are intact and this quarter's results reflect increased utilization of productivity savings as well as the efficiencies of now 7730seven-nine aircraft flying for our mainline fleet. As a result of the headwinds and tailwinds I've described, Our expectations for Q4 unit costs is that they will be up 7% to 9% versus 2019 on roughly 15% lower capacity. To close, I would just say again that our underlying business model is strong. While demand is choppy and we hate that we don't get to have the Q4 that we think we were set up to have Because of the Delta variant, we are confident that when reasonably strong demand returns, we are poised to deliver strong financial performance.

Speaker 4

We are looking forward to rescaling to our pre COVID size and demand allowing growing from there. As we do this, we will be continuing to deliver on our cost

Speaker 2

And

Operator

the first question will come from Savi Syth with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning, everyone. As you talk about kind of rebuilding the network here, I was just kind of curious, the big airport, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco and LA. As you build those back, this is kind of the mission, the strategy behind those airports, How you operate them change kind of post crisis versus before?

Speaker 3

Hi Savi. Good morning. Yes, this is Andrew. I wouldn't say it's changed, but we have actually made some refinements and tweaks. Obviously, Seattle, we serve Everywhere from there and Portland to a lesser extent.

Speaker 3

I think some of the pivots you've seen us make and given the contours Especially Los Angeles, you're going to see a little more leisure flying for us out of there. We do very, very well. And I think in San Francisco, We've built out a pretty good network and I think what you're going to see us stay a little more focused on is the largest O and Ds out of there, making sure we We have the top 2025 business markets. And so that's sort of where we're landing on all of this.

Speaker 5

Got it. And then just Andrew, maybe if I could follow-up on that a little bit more on the other focus cities that you've tried to build in Fast or kind of working, so I think about kind of San Diego, Salt Lake City, Boise, how do those Fit in within the network and any kind of learnings on in the past trying to build those out?

Speaker 3

Yes. We've especially on the secondary city, but we've done a lot of Pacific Northwest To California, we used to flow that traffic over our major hubs. And just given the demand and the loyalty strength and the evolution of those markets, We're finding nonstop service to be very good there. I think San Jose is part of the Bay Area and San Diego for us It's all about loyalty as well and making sure we've got utility for all of our guests. So while we focus mainly on the Seattle, Portland, San Francisco and Los Angeles, The Boise's and the secondary cities will always be very, very important to us and we're going to continue to grow those over time.

Speaker 5

Makes sense. And just one last clarification, where is business demand these days?

Speaker 3

Business demand is coming back. In fact, we've had the best day, best week, I should say, recently versus the previous one in the pandemic, which was just before summer. So what we're seeing is an increased steady forward momentum of business demand starting to return.

Speaker 5

Okay. Got it. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Savi.

Operator

The next question will come from Andrew Didora with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning everyone. Thanks for the questions. I guess, a question is for Andrew. I know industry capacity plans are pretty fluid here, but You've benefited from sort of below average competitive capacity growth through much of the pandemic. And I know this has been helping all the yield performance that you talked about Earlier, but we do see some of this capacity picking up particularly into 1Q based on schedules.

Speaker 6

Can you maybe talk about what you're seeing in the Competitive environment and how you see it unfolding over the next quarter or 2?

Speaker 3

We've We look at the West Coast, Andrew, and we've looked at how the competitive environment goes. I think a little bit The West Coast has been honestly subjected to weaker demand in rest of the country. So even though you may see that competitive capacity is not as high Visavis others, I do think when you think about California specifically, demand has been soft there. But at the end of the day, we feel really good about Our network mix and how we're structured and we feel really good as you can see by the Q3 that our network is configured for good performance.

Speaker 6

And Shane and maybe Ben, I mean, Shane, you mentioned

Speaker 7

in your prepared remarks, and

Speaker 6

I think you're the 1st airline to say this is that You are looking forward to shareholder returns this time next year. Your balance sheet can certainly handle it. But I guess, Shane or Ben, I guess, when you're allowed, when you think about your capital return policy, do you think it will be as High up on your priority list as it was pre pandemic and the way you think about it now, do you think you'll be a little bit more focused on Sort of a buyback or a dividend once you're allowed to. And thanks for the questions.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Andrew. I think, yes, our Sort of thinking here is that we want to put ourselves into a position to be able to do shareholder returns. We're not Committing to any particular timeframe today to do that. We'll obviously sort of get together with our Board and make decisions about what the best avenue is and But I don't think a lot about our sort of capital deployment and capital allocation philosophy has changed. We do have to sort of understand what a go forward environment with COVID looks like and how stable demand and returns are.

Speaker 4

But I think our philosophy that we had going into the pandemic is going to be very, very consistent with the one we have coming out in terms of shareholder distribution returns. I will say that our first priority is making sure we have a stable business, enough liquidity on hand to manage the ups and downs and to grow the airline. But shareholder returns are also super important to us. Thank you.

Operator

The next question will come from Jamie Baker with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, good morning everybody. So You echoed what other airlines have said this season about premium demand. To the extent that this phenomenon is permanent And growing. Do you need to do anything differently to continue capitalizing on it? Or are you optimized For this next demand leg up, however you want to describe it.

Speaker 3

Hi, Jamie. Our cabins, I believe are very well configured with 1st class and premium class. So I don't foresee any product changes. But to your point, we are going to definitely, especially with business demand and our ability to play a much larger place there Our booking curves and how many seats we hold out and when. I think historically, we've probably denied business traffic That cabin historically and I think we're going to get more fine tuned on that.

Speaker 3

So I think that would be the sort of the largest change. And then the other part of that too is just making sure that our network. We're going to be a little bit more disciplined about timing our flights for that business demand. So I see just increased demand coming for that premium cabin going forward.

Speaker 8

Okay. That's helpful. And second, and I apologize for pivoting to the model. Did you say the Delta variant saps 4th quarter revenue by $200,000,000 Was that right?

Speaker 3

That's correct.

Speaker 8

Okay. It's on the tape that it was $400,000,000 So I just wanted to make sure I wasn't So even if we allow for some variable costs associated with that, if we were to just tack That $200,000,000 to today's guide, it implies that you'd be back in the double digit pre tax margin territory in the 4th quarter. And I know that's where the 4th quarter plan was in July because you said so, But that was on cheaper fuel. So I guess my question is whether, well, one, is there anything wrong with my math? Hopefully not.

Speaker 8

But if not, it feels like your Ex Delta 4th quarter plan actually strengthened over the summer despite the rise in fuel. Is that a fair, Albeit mangled interpretation.

Speaker 4

Hey, Jamie. The one thing you can never do is go backwards and We do things over again and know what it turns out if there wasn't a variance. But I think what we had going for us were very, very strong load factor We were above at this call in July, we were sitting on load factor builds that were above 2019 levels almost every forward month And on yields that were above 2019 levels in every single month. And so, yes, I mean, I think we were feeling quite optimistic If that demand pattern sort of played out and wasn't interrupted, then we could have had a really strong Q4. Hard to exactly know if Strength and over between then and now is the right way to think about it.

Speaker 4

But yes, it would have been a strong quarter for sure.

Speaker 2

I think Jamie, it's been

Speaker 8

Yes, sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2

I think this is and we said in our prepared statements, I think this is why we're confident about our business model. I think It's a business model that when recovery comes back, we're going to produce returns. And I think it just goes to underscore that. But go ahead, I think you had a follow-up.

Speaker 8

Yes, and that's certainly my modeling interpretation as well. Just a real quick labor clarification. Do I recall correctly that you are the only airline of size in the U. S. That still doesn't have a preferential bidding system?

Speaker 8

Is that right?

Speaker 4

We don't with our pilot group, we do with our flight attendant group. That is true, Jamie.

Speaker 8

Okay. Just checking. Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Jamie.

Operator

The next question will come from Ravi Shanker with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Thanks. Good morning, all. If I can just follow-up on the last two questions. Are you guys surprised at all That a, the mix is so strong coming out of the pandemic. Again, is that something that you expected given kind of people's preference to travel in the front of the And second, on the competitive side, and I'm just given the concentration of travel, kind of Are you surprised at all that the industry has pulled back on traveling a certain lanes and it's not a free for all out there?

Speaker 3

Hey, Ravi. I can't speak for the rest of the industry, but what I can speak to for Alaska is knowing business demand was where it was, we materially reduced In the front of the cabin, our first class fares were coming down, but they were way made up plus much on the volume side. So I feel the team did an outstanding job at lowering fares and driving net incremental Value through volume. And so that's part of what we're going to have to measure going forward. But let's be clear, who doesn't want to travel in 1st or premium class?

Speaker 3

I mean, I don't believe there's anybody. So it's a matter of our price and volume. So the demand, that's the 1st place people want to sit. And so we've been working well there. I think on the industry capacity, again, and I know you all look at the network and the system.

Speaker 3

We look at the West Coast, and I as I look across the West Coast, You see a lot of adjustments, by other carriers coming down closer in. And I think one of the things that I'm particularly proud of, especially With our operation folks and Ben's leadership here is that we have not been volatile adding back, reducing, adding back, reducing capacity. We've been on a Steady path that's allowed for really good cost control, really good selling and inventory and minimal Guest disruption. So I feel like all of that has been working for us.

Speaker 2

Go ahead. Go ahead.

Speaker 9

No, sorry. Go ahead, sir.

Speaker 2

I was going to say, just with the leisure traveler, I think with this, The environment of COVID, I think they are looking for more space and to have more comfort in when they fly. And We have competitive fares up on our premium class and 1st class. I do think we're seeing the benefit of that. Sorry, go ahead. You had another question.

Speaker 9

Yes. So just to follow-up on that specific point. So how do we think about this going into 2022 and 2023? Are you going to be looking to Keep this elevated mix of premium cabin with the fares at current levels? Or are you going to be looking to return fares to where they used to be even if that kind of If you see the mix shift back a little bit to me and Kevin.

Speaker 3

The other thing I'll comment on that is it's not so much the fares that we're focused But of course, as business travel returns, as our road warriors return and loyalty returns, we are still committed They're having robust opportunity for our guests to upgrade into the 1st class cabin. So we're going to be balancing fares with 1st class upgrade And that's going to be our challenge going forward, but it's a good problem to have.

Speaker 9

Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Dan McKenzie with Seaport Global. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hey, thanks guys. Just a question here with respect to the American Partnership. What is the aggregate wallet that Alaska can now tap into that it couldn't previously? And I guess what I'm really referring, pardon me, to just to a normalized backdrop. So corporate travel managers that for the first time Can consider flying an Alaskan American as an alternative to their current program?

Speaker 3

Yes. Hi, Dan. I may I'll ask you a second one first, I think. But essentially, really the unlock here There's a couple of things. To your point, we've had overwhelming response from our corporate clients wanting joint contracts With Alaska and American providing much more competitive fares and much bigger options.

Speaker 3

We've also, just to be frank, Being more generous now with our big corporate accounts, we're opening up priority seating for them, handling on IROPS. And so the whole Our dynamic there has really improved. On the first part of your question, can you repeat that?

Speaker 7

Dan, I'll take it. Actually, this is Nat. And speaking to the value of the American partnership, I think a couple of Initially, when we announced the WCIA, the focus was on Americans' nonstop flights out of Seattle to London to Shanghai and to Bangalore. And obviously with international travel a bit suppressed, those haven't taken off as actively as we want, but we're excited about the potential there. But what has really come to pass is linking our domestic networks via codeshare and having the ability to Out of Los Angeles, San Francisco, and over the Chicago hub for American offering unique destinations that we can't Get our passengers too.

Speaker 7

And so think the Des Moines, the Grand Rapids, codeshare behind O'Hare and behind the American hubs has really been valuable And lets us tap into demand streams that before we really couldn't.

Speaker 10

Yes, helpful. Okay. And then one of the comments in your prepared remarks, You're looking to get to a cost structure of 2019 sooner rather than later. Do you have to get to 100% of 2019 Capacity to get to a CASM ex that's similar or can you achieve a CASM ex of 2019 with less than 2019 flying.

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks, Dan. This is Shane. No, we don't I don't think that we would have to get back to full 100%. We've got a pretty large cost restructure program and commitment that we're executing on.

Speaker 4

A big piece of that is movement to single fleet and that takes a couple of years to get done. And so it's likely that we will actually be above 100% of pre COVID sort of coinciding with the full capture of those cost restructure items. But if we, for whatever reason, set a 90% or 95% of our pre COVID capacity for a long time, Our commitment would be to get back to 2019 cost levels. Just I think the trajectory is going to be a bit different with our order book and with what we Think about the opportunities in front of us up and down the West Coast and with our business model, it's likely we'll be growing above the pre COVID size and at the About the same time getting to the pre COVID cost structure.

Speaker 2

And then, it's just the chain has got all our business is focused on is productivity. Now we're getting back to our Pre merger productivity targets and that goes hand in hand with a single fleet and that's where we're squarely focused on. When we get back there, that's That's going to be the sweet spot for us and we'll see a big benefit to CASM as well.

Speaker 10

That's perfect. Thanks for the time you guys.

Speaker 9

Thanks, Dan.

Speaker 4

Thanks, Dan. The next

Operator

question is from Duane Pfennigwerth with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hey, thanks. Good morning.

Speaker 11

You're probably not the best airline to ask this because your Plan has been appropriately conservative and your schedule hasn't whipped around as much. But on labor availability, Airport staffing, ground handling, are you seeing any early signs of clouds parting on that front? Are you seeing any relief?

Speaker 12

Thanks for the question, Duane. This is Constance. I think as our performance has shown in the Q3, We've really delivered among the top performers in the industry despite all the challenges we have. And that's for two reasons. One, you mentioned, which is disciplined return to And secondly, really resilient proactive team in solving all the many challenges we have, some you listed In your conversation, those are true across the industry.

Speaker 12

I think our leadership team has done a great job addressing those as we see them. I'm Confident we'll continue to do just that through the Q4 and beyond.

Speaker 11

Fair. All very fair comments, which we agree with. I guess the question is, I guess the effort per hire or to the extent you're trying to acquire airport staffing, is that Getting any easier or is it just as difficult as it was?

Speaker 12

I would say it's consistently difficult. Perhaps the acquisition is one thing and then the kind of retention piece and Consistently staffing on every day continues to be a challenge. I think that's true across the industry. So we do put an inordinate amount of effort To that, relative to what we may have done in 2019.

Speaker 4

Duane, let me just quickly add because we want to tighten our answers here and real quick. But It's a thing I think everybody is dealing with it. Certainly the Seattle region, it's been tough to get entry level workers. Just that pool of labor hasn't been what it used to be, but I will say it's improving. I think as we've gotten through the summer and into the fall, Our need for staffing is a little bit less and I think the labor pool is starting to expand a bit.

Speaker 4

So I think the things are going in the right direction. The one thing I know Constance would also say is we So appreciate the employees who came to work every single day, put everything they had into the operation, worked tons of overtime to keep our guests moving and really Minimize operations and disruption. They did a phenomenal job.

Speaker 11

That's super helpful. And then just for my follow-up and I apologize if you mentioned this, But how are you thinking about CapEx in 2022 and 2023? And thanks again.

Speaker 7

CapEx right now, Duane, for 'twenty two, we're looking at about 1,500,000,000 With airplanes, obviously, in the midst of our fleet growth and then a little bit north of that in 2023 as well. Again, based on our liquidity forecast, based on our conservative pre tax margin forecast, the plan is to pay cash for all of those airplanes And still be well above our minimum liquidity value at year end 2023.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Wayne.

Operator

The next question is from Mike Linenberg with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Yes. Hey, good morning, everyone. Hey, two Two questions here. Shane, you talked about the headwind with respect to redelivering the Airbus airplanes. I think you said 2022, 2023, 2022 and 2023.

Speaker 13

How many airplanes are we looking at here? And what is it like 1,000,000 2,000,000 in airplane. I'm just trying to size this cost headwind that will go away in a few years.

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks, Mike. It's well north of that. These are full engine restorations and airframe restorations as a condition of the lease. It's work we would have had to do had we extended the leases, but really all of these aircraft are due for sort of heavy maintenance cycles.

Speaker 4

The number of aircraft Specifically by year, I think Chris might have. Yes. So we've got about 24 operating Airbus A320s that will all be gone by the end 2023. So that's what you're that's really the number you're looking at. And to Shane's point, these are we've had some history of returning these.

Speaker 4

These are anywhere between $6,000,000 to $12,000,000 a tail on the return costs. And so that's kind of the bubble you're looking at for the next couple of years. Couch is different like we've got maintenance and growth for a lot of this. So that's the P and L expense Everyone is in negotiation.

Speaker 13

No, that's actually super helpful because it gives us a good sense of what's going to kind of go away. And then just to my Second question, I guess it's to Andrew. There's been some comments about some commentary, some very good qualitative commentary about Your relationship with American and One World. Interestingly, American on their call, they said that the benefit That they were getting from you and JetBlue, was accretive to revenue thus far by I think they throw out a 0.5% to 1%. They They said something on the order of about 750,000 passengers.

Speaker 13

And obviously, we'd have to split and sort of figure out what's your piece and what's JetBlue's piece, but the fact is they're 5 times bigger than you are. So I'm curious if anything that you can throw out as it relates to what you've seen on the revenue front. Is it a couple of percentage points accretion to revenue since it's been up and running? Anything quantitative would be helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes. That's a great question. And we're not probably prepared to make a whole lot of comments here other than to say that we're going to unpack this for you on Investor Day. And I think we're going to give you a lot more transparency then and that's probably the

Speaker 2

only thing. We're getting Mike, it's Ben. We're seeing a lot And the value of this partnership with American and One World. Again, it's not totally unlocked because of COVID, but we do see upside and we'll give you more details On Investor Day.

Speaker 13

Hey, what is Investor Day, by the way?

Speaker 2

It is.

Speaker 1

It's going to be in March.

Speaker 13

Very good.

Speaker 1

It will be sent out mid March.

Speaker 2

We promise it won't be raining, although we're going to be in New York, right?

Speaker 13

Very good. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Helane Becker with Cowen. Please go ahead.

Speaker 14

Thanks very much, operator. Hi, everybody, and thank you very much for the time. Just a couple of questions. Actually shifting gears completely to ESG. You've made a number of changes, I guess, to the Board over the last couple of years.

Speaker 14

So as you're thinking about that, Is the Board where you want it to be? Are there retirements coming up that gives you a chance or To change to get more diverse or are you okay with that? And then the other part of my question is with To Alaska Star Ventures, what's the focus for that? What are you hoping for it to do? Is that Focused on SAF acquisition or maybe you can unpack some of that.

Speaker 14

Thank you.

Speaker 15

Hey, Helane. Good morning. It's Kyle. I'll take the first question and Diana will take the second, I think. Our Board is so fantastic, And we just added a new Board member, bringing us to 12 Independent Directors.

Speaker 15

Adrienne Lofton just joined last week, Bringing really fantastic marketing and brand experience to our Board. I'll also just note, I think currently we're at 50% Gender, diversity and about 40% plus ethnic diversity. We're super proud of that and we're very happy with the board composition right now.

Speaker 2

And Helane, what I'll say is our Board is squarely focused on ESG and sustainability. It's a big strategic driver for us. And they're really excited about our path forward on this, which will dovetail into answering your second question here on the air we're Excited about Alaska Star Ventures. Diana?

Speaker 1

Yes. Thanks, Glenn, for asking. So specifically, Alaska Star Ventures is right now focused on The five parts of our path to net 0, which we announced earlier this year. So just briefly, those are operational efficiency, obviously, the fleet evolution, which Star Ventures is not focused on, but Sustainably Aviation, Fuel, Novel Propulsion, Incredible Carbon Offsets to Close the Gap to our target. So we're looking specifically for technologies or in the case of our first investment, specifically sector focused funds that can help us accelerate those paths that path and bring technology The system that can help us do that in the next 3 to 5 years.

Speaker 14

That's very helpful. Thank you very much. I just have a question. You're in maybe, Ben, for you. I don't want you to say anything you can't say with respect to the pilot negotiations, but What's up with them?

Speaker 2

You know, Helen, first, I want to say we have a fantastic group of pilots. They're Highly skilled professionals, they keep us safe and on time and we value their contributions. They do a great job for us. We've got some sticky issues we're working our way Drew and we've asked the National Mediation Board for some help and we're confident we're going to get to a deal. We have a history of getting deals with our unions And so we know we're going to get there.

Speaker 2

What I'll say is we have an exciting future for our pilots. You heard our growth plans. We plan to grow the airline a lot over the next 3, 4 years. So this will be a phenomenal place for our pilots to spend their career. So we'll get there.

Speaker 2

I appreciate the question.

Speaker 14

Thanks, Doug. Thanks, everybody. Thank you.

Operator

The next question will come from Connor Cunningham with MKM Partners. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Hey, everyone. Thank you for

Speaker 16

the time. I might be wrong, but I think your credit card agreement is up soon. The market's been reset a little with a recent agreement from another carrier. I was wondering if you could just provide some details around how many sign ups you've had since closing on The Virgin America acquisition or maybe just how spend has evolved on the card over the past couple of years.

Speaker 3

Yes. Hi, Connor. We've been we've still got a little bit of time on our agreement. That said, we are very aware of other agreements done and we are working very closely with Bank of America, Who we have a 30 year relationship with and things are changing and they're working to change with us. I think as I said in my prepared remarks, I think since 2013, we've got a compounded annual growth rate of 9% On both our portfolio of members and spend.

Speaker 3

So this program has done nothing but deliver and return. And as I also shared, we've had the highest So more to come there. And as we get into 2022, we've got a lot of exciting things planned that I think is only going to fuel growth in our loyalty program.

Speaker 16

Okay, great. And then Ben, in the past, you've talked about making Alaska a national brand. And I assume that would involve some further investment In markets that are off the West Coast. I saw that you put in for slots at Newark and clearly that would be big for the brand in the Northeast. Just Wondering how you may benchmark that success of just brand awareness outside of the West Coast, outside of where you guys are already predomined?

Speaker 16

And thanks for

Speaker 4

the time.

Speaker 2

Yes. No, thanks, Connor. No, this is a big strategic initiative for us. It won't be just a 6 month or a 12 month initiative. This will span next 3, 4 years.

Speaker 2

And it's really linked to what Andrew was saying and how we build back our network from 80% to 100% and growth from there. So there will be a focus first on the West Coast and making sure people Understand who Alaska is and the strength we bring with our network and with our brand and with our loyalty and our products. So We're going to focus first on the West Coast and then move east from there.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

The next question will come from Catherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker 17

Hey, everyone. Thanks for the time. Hey, Steve. So it sounds like you laid out a path to have capacity Flat to up for 2022. I mean, I guess, correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 17

But and then from some earlier comments, it sounds like in that scenario, We should be expecting unit costs down versus 2019. I guess, is there anything wrong there? And if that's right, are there any larger tailwinds you want to flag?

Speaker 4

Thanks. Thanks, Katie. Hey, I just I want to stop short of maybe giving guidance for next year because we don't want to be doing that today. We do totally Recognize that there's an appetite to understand what our view on 2022 capacity and cost is for the full year. And I think when we have our earnings call in January, we'll Strongly consider giving full year guidance instead of just quarterly guidance.

Speaker 4

But yes, the essential thing is get back to pre COVID size By summer of next year and we've got planes coming in, in the second half that could allow us to grow if demand is there and we're configured to do it. And as we go along that capacity trajectory, we see our unit cost ultimately step back to Hopefully flatten and down, but not I don't want to commit to a timing for that right now.

Speaker 17

Okay. That's fair enough. And then it sounds like you've already locked in either some new contracts with corporate clients or perhaps have made adjustments that give you greater wallet share with existing accounts that have occurred since onset of the pandemic with your American and One World partners. Can you help us frame The upside you have on the books like as of now, if you were to assume that all else equal, your pre pandemic corporate volumes returned to 100%. I'm sure you can't give like an exact Number, but just like, is it 110?

Speaker 17

Is it 150? Like, it's really how it will be helpful. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Kathy. What I will say is that, how these things go, they have RFPs, they cycle through every few years. I think We are rapidly in the process of changing out our agreements for joint contracting agreements, RFPs are plentiful And we've just found an overwhelming engagement and we're also being more and more competitive on business fares And working with big, big TMCs like GBT, are just going to only help us propel that more. So I think that's But I'll share and again on Investor Day, we will share more about our strategy around that.

Speaker 17

Thanks. Where is the time?

Speaker 4

Thanks, Katie.

Operator

The next question is from Myles Walton with UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 18

Thanks, good morning or afternoon. I was wondering maybe I'll follow-up on Katie's question and there's a little bit of cart before the horse. But is it reasonable to think 22 is a double digit margin year and maybe some of the frustration you sense the market not recognizing your Performance is simply that everybody's losing money. So everybody's losing money, losing less isn't necessarily a big deal, but maybe the market isn't differentiating your uniquely higher gearing On the volume as it drops through from a pre tax basis.

Speaker 4

Yes. Myles, appreciate it. It's really hard to say. I just if you look at the Revenue impact that we mentioned from this one wave, it's a couple of $100,000,000 for Q4 alone. It was more than that if you add in Q3 impact.

Speaker 4

If there are no more waves and demand comes back and the economy is strong, then yes, we're configured to deliver really strong financial performance. But I think what we've been saying all along and been open with is we expect a choppy recovery. That's what we're sort of mentally prepared for. Oil prices are spiking right now. That's going to be a headwind.

Speaker 4

So it's hard to give you some exact confidence That we're headed towards those types of margins. We would love it if everything stabilized and we could deliver that. But I think the environment is really too choppy to be able to predict that right now.

Speaker 18

Okay. One detailed one. So your headcount is down about 16% roughly in line with capacity. As you get back to 2019 capacity, where will Your headcount be relative to 2019? Thanks.

Speaker 4

Yes, great question there as well. It should be downish As we really execute on the productivity targets that we've got, probably not a huge amount, but As we achieve the productivity targets, we will on an average basis do a little bit better. So That's our expectation going forward. And the other thing that I would just mention is we've got a really we've done a really nice job of managing overhead at And we'll grow overhead back at a much slower rate, over time, relative to capacity. Thanks, Bob.

Speaker 8

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Chris S with Susquehanna. Please go

Speaker 18

ahead. Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. So appreciate the comments you just gave on your ASMs per FTE. But if you've spent a lot of time going through the productivity initiatives.

Speaker 18

I was wondering, Could you put a finer sort of point on that? And if there are 2 or 3 metrics that we should Think about if it's ASMs per FTE, as we think about this next stage of the recovery here, 2019 was around 3.3 or is it perhaps something block hours per month per crew? Just a finer point on some of the metrics here that we should consider as we look at this next leg of the recovery. Thanks.

Speaker 4

Hey, Chris. Yes, no, appreciate it. The 2 that I think are most easily consumed externally are passengers per FTE, which obviously has a demand component to it. And then the other is departures per FTE. We do manage a lot of the business from that perspective in terms of the labor inputs for departure.

Speaker 4

In certainly, we track more than that, sort of at the specific employee group level and certainly block hour production for our crews is Something that we look at closely. That is probably something that can be derived externally, but not as easily as those other two numbers.

Speaker 18

Okay. And just a follow-up question here. So in your prepared remarks on your signaling capital returns here, as we think about 2020 Cash flow from operations and a lot of moving pieces here. You have the partnership, we have concerns around Inflation higher fuel, but if there's any sort of detail, finer point you could put up how we should be thinking about yields Or more specifically CASM ex in the back half of next year. I think you've said that you're expected to fly 2019 Your 2019 book for next summer and then what would that imply for CASM ex as we think about the second half of twenty twenty two?

Speaker 18

Thank you.

Speaker 4

Yes, thanks, Chris. I appreciate the question. I'm going to kind of stand by my earlier comment that I don't want to give guidance for next year. I totally appreciate that there's desire to hear more about our full year expectations. And I do think on our next call, we'll consider giving you guys annual guidance for both CASM and ASMs For all of 2022, so you can get a better sense of the shape of what that looks like quarter by quarter.

Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you. Appreciate all the questions from everyone. Appreciate all the questions. We're out of time.

Speaker 2

Thank you. And we'll talk to you on the next call. Thanks, everybody. Thanks, everyone.

Operator

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