Teradyne Q4 2021 Earnings Call Transcript


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Participants

Corporate Executives

  • Andy Blanchard
    Vice President of Corporate Relations
  • Mark E. Jagiela
    Chief Executive Officer and President
  • Sanjay Mehta
    Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

Presentation

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Fourth Quarter and Full Year Teradyne Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]

I would now like to hand the conference over to your host today, Andy Blanchard, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Andy Blanchard
Vice President of Corporate Relations at Teradyne

Thank you, Michelle. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our discussion of Teradyne's most recent financial results. I'm joined this morning by our CEO, Mark Jagiela; and our CFO, Sanjay Mehta.

Following our opening remarks, we'll provide details of our performance for 2021's fourth quarter and full-year, along with our outlook for the first quarter of 2022. The press release containing our fourth quarter results was issued last evening. We're providing slides on the Investor page of the website that may be helpful to you in following the discussion. Replays of this call will be available via the same page after the call ends.

The matters that we discuss today will include forward-looking statements that involve risk factors that could cause Teradyne's results to differ materially from management's current expectations. We encourage you to review the Safe Harbor statement contained in the earnings release as well as our most recent SEC filings. Additionally, those forward-looking statements are made as of today and we make no obligation to update them as a result of developments occurring after this call.

During today's call, we'll make reference to non-GAAP financial measures. We've posted additional information concerning these non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure were available on the Investor page of our website. Looking ahead, between now and our next earnings call, Teradyne will be participating in technology or industrial-focused investor conferences hosted by Citi, Morgan Stanley, and Susquehanna.

Now, let's get on with the rest of the agenda. First, Mark will comment on our recent results and the market conditions as we enter the new year. Sanjay will then offer more details on our results, along with our guidance for the first quarter. We'll then answer your questions, and this call is scheduled for one hour. Mark?

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Good morning, and thanks for joining us. In our call today, I'll summarize 2021's fourth quarter and the full-year, and then comment on our early view of 2022, Sanjay will then provide the financial details and review our updated earnings model and capital allocation plans.

While we forecast 2022 to be another solid year for Teradyne, overall sales will likely decline in the first half, as we believe SoC Test sales will be impacted by modest complexity growth in our largest market as the jump to three nanometer production is pushed to 2023. More on that in a minute.

Recapping 2021, we finished the year strong, bringing full-year sales. Non-GAAP earnings growth to 19% and sales growth to 20 -- sorry, the sales growth of 19% and GAAP earnings growth to 29% respectively. 2021's performance was a result of broad-based growth across our test and IA businesses. SemiTest sales grew about 17% with our UltraFLEX family contributing to the expansion into the compute sector and Eagle product lines serving the automotive and analog industrial sectors, growing nearly 90%.

For 2021, we estimate the SoC market was about $4.8 billion, up from $3.6 billion in 2020, which puts our market share at about 46% for the year. The memory market in 2021 was about flat with 2020, at approximately $1 billion. Our Magnum family continues to shine in the NAND segment and we are reinforcing our position in the DRAM segment as the industry prepares for LPDDR5 and DDR5 RAMs in 2022 and beyond. Our share remains at about 40%.

LitePoint Wireless test business had a great year, growing 25% from 2020. The global demand for connecting and tracking just about everything, machines, materials and people is nearly insatiable. LitePoint is well aligned to this trend, with products that simplify testing of the expanded range of wireless standards. Whether in networking with WiFi 6E and 7, in location tracking with Ultra Wideband and cellular with 5G or numerous other standards, the rate of technology change continues unabated, which is great for our business.

Moving to our Industrial Automation business, at UR, sales were up 41% from 2020. We continue to expand the number of UR Plus partners and certified plug-and-play apps, with assembly, machine tending and pelletizing among the most popular of the more than 375 available apps. We also continue to broaden our reach beyond existing markets, often with OEM partners. One exceptional example is our expansion into welding applications, where we finished the year with a growth of more than three times of our 2020 levels.

Welding applications now account for more than 6% of UR sales. At MiR, full-year sales grew 42% from 2020, on the strength of our new higher payload MiR250, 600, and 1350 kilogram AMRs. It's also notable that the value of MiR AMRs with advanced fleet management software is amplified as the size of the robot fleet grows. We saw this play out last year with large account sales, those with the potential to deploy hundreds of units, growing nearly 50% faster than the installed base at large.

Looking ahead to 2022, the long-term drivers that power our growth in test and industrial automation are strong. In fact, as you will hear from Sanjay, our updated 2024 earnings model reflects an expected higher growth in sales and profits for both areas.

However, in 2022, while the -- we expect our IA-business to power along with 35% plus growth. We see our SoC business likely contracting during the year, as the shift to three nanometer volume production is pushed to 2023. You can begin to see some of this effect in our 1Q guidance as we usually see the beginnings of our summer ramp in March.

We expect 2Q to show similar effects, as it's usually our peak tooling period for our largest market. As a result, we are modeling first-half sales down 15% to 20%. We don't expect the impact of this to extend in the second half, we expect demand to accelerate again in 2023 as we begin to see the complexity growth related to investments for three nanometer gate-all-around technologies and advanced packaging. Overall, we expect the 2022 SoC market to be similar in size to 2021, at approximately $4.6 billion to $5 billion.

Shifting to memory test, we expect the market in 2022 to be in the $900 million to $1.1 billion range, which with the midpoint that's similar to 2021. We expect spending will be weighted toward DRAM, as LPDDR5 adoption expands and DDR5 for server applications ramp.

In the past, a shift to spending in DRAM would be a significant headwind for us, but we expect we'll maintain our share at about 40% in 2022, as our Magnum EPIC DRAM tester grows in market popularity.

And System Test, after five years of high growth driven by the Storage Test product line, we expect 2022 to be a digestion year, with sales softening slightly. Wireless Test at LifePoint however, is expected to fill that revenue gap. So we expect the combined System Test and Wireless test will be about flat with 2021.

Shifting from test to Industrial Automation, our business outlook is brighter than ever. As I noted in our last call, the penetration rate of both collaborative robotic and autonomous mobile robots is under 3%. The economic environment is favorable with worker shortages, the movement of production capacity closer to end markets and a relentless drive for higher quality and safer operations, all helping to drive demand. The opportunity in front of us is immense and we are investing to exploit it to the fullest.

At the IA segment level, we've increased our long-term revenue growth rate and expect our sales in 2022 to grow more than 35% off of 2021. Sanjay will provide a long-term modeling details, but the key point is the investments we've made and continue to make position us for both, short and long-term success in this expanding market.

Expanding OEM relationships and served markets is a key part of our strategy. Like the welding initiative that is bearing fruit, we have several others in flight, one example is in e-commerce. One of our partners, Nimble Robotics uses AI, unique grippers and clever software on our Cobot platform to pick consumer goods at high-volume warehouse operations for numerous national brands. You may have seen the recent Wall Street Journal article, complete with photos of the solution in action. Their innovative solution dubbed, goods to robot, complement automated storage and retrieval systems widely used in e-commerce.

Our Cobot's ease of use and durability are a natural for this application. Well over 15 million items across 500,000 unique products have been picked to date, as Nimble executes an ambitious growth plan in the e-commerce space. Another driver of growth in IA has been the growing use of UR Cobots to improve the competitiveness of local manufacturing to support reshoring of production. Pentik, a Finnish maker of high quality ceramics is a good example. They've added automation to allow skilled crafts people to focus on high volume and high value tasks. While UR cobots due to repetitive and physically demanding ones, such as glazing and finishing of ceramics.

To summarize, 2021 was another year of impressive growth at Teradyne and caps a five-year stretch, where sales and non-GAAP earnings have grown at a compounded rate of 16% and 32% respectively. As we've said before, we've managed the business to a trend line model. Our updated 2024 earnings model shows improved growth trend lines, reflecting our increasing confidence in the business. These projections are not hockey sticks. They are consistent with our past performance and correlated to investment trends in semiconductor capacity and automation market drivers.

Along the way, we expect some years will perform above the trend line and the other years below. In Test, 2020 and 2021 were above trend line years, while 2022 will likely be below. These year-to-year swings in customer buying patterns are a part of our market dynamic.

Our underlying business model with outsourced manufacturing and Test is designed to efficiently absorb these dynamics. Also, our good and improving gross margins give us increasing leverage within this dynamic. The growth in volume and complexity of semiconductors that propels the test market is stronger than ever. Our Industrial Automation portfolio is well positioned against macro trends and back-to-high growth. All these dynamics should net out to attractive midterm growth of both sales and earnings.

With that, I turn it over to Sanjay for more details. Sanjay?

Sanjay Mehta
Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Teradyne

Thank you, Mark. Good morning, everyone. Today, I'll cover the financial highlights of Q4 and review the financial details of 2021. Looking forward, I'll provide our Q1 outlook and update our midterm earnings model and our capital allocation plans. Now to Q4, revenues were $885 million and we delivered a non-GAAP operating profit of 31% and EPS of $1.37. SemiTest revenue of $592 million was strong across the board, with notable demand for apps processor and RF test and SoC and higher speed flash test in memory. System Test group had revenue of $127 million, up 23% year-over-year, driven by higher sales and storage test in defense and aerospace. LitePoint revenue of $52 million was up over 31% from the year-ago period on WiFi 6E and early WiFi 7 test demand. Industrial Automation revenue of $113 million was up 23% from the fourth quarter of last year on strong demand at both UR and MiR.

Non-GAAP gross margins were 59.5%, on plan and down quarter-over-quarter due to lower volume and product mix. You'll see our non-GAAP operating expenses were up $11 million to $253 million from the third quarter due primarily to ongoing industrial automation investments. We generated $302 million in free cash in the fourth quarter. The non-GAAP tax rate, excluding discrete items for the quarter was 13.6% and on a GAAP basis, was 14.75%. For the full year, it was 14.5% on a non-GAAP basis and 14.75% on a GAAP basis. We ended the year with cash and marketable securities of $1.5 billion. Regarding debt to-date, $343 million of our convertible bond has been redeemed early and repaid. We have a remaining face value of $117 million.

Turning to the full-year results of 2021. Teradyne revenues of $3.7 billion grew $581 million or 19% year-over-year. $485 million of the growth was from our test portfolio, while IA delivered $96 million of growth. We had one customer that directly or indirectly drove approximately 19% of our revenue in 2021. Gross margins for the year were 59.6% and operating profit was 33%, up from 57.2% and 30% respectively in 2020. Non-GAAP EPS was $5.98, a 29% increase over 2020. We generated $966 million in free cash in 2021 and returned $666 million through share repurchases and dividends.

Looking more closely at the components of 2021 revenue growth, as Mark outlined, SoC test revenues grew $371 million or 20% on strength in all market segments, but with particular growth in the compute, industrial and automotive markets. In memory, revenues were $396 million, up 3%. NAND test demand drove the growth in 2021.

In System Test sales, sales grew for the fifth consecutive year to $468 million, up 14% from 2020. All sub-segments of System Test grew in 2021, with Storage Test delivering the largest increase, moving from $242 million in 2020 to $288 million in 2021.

LitePoint is also on an impressive growth path. Sales increased to $217 million, 25% above 2020 and has grown at an 18% CAGR since 2016. Growth drivers included the production ramp of WiFi 6E, WiFi 7 engineering systems and UWB expansion. It's notable that UWB is early in its market penetration and we expect a long-term growth trajectory as new applications for this technology emerge.

In 2021, IA revenue was $376 million, up 34% from 2020's $280 million level. UR grew 41% to $311 million, while MiR grew 42% to $64 million. Auto guide sales were under $2 million in 2021, as we continue to reposition that Group for sustainable long-term growth. In 2021, we managed through numerous supply constraints at UR and MiR without a material impact on sales. We expect those constraints to become more severe and expect they may impact the timing of some shipments in the first half of 2022. We've considered that in our guidance.

Now to our outlook for Q1. Sales are expected to be between $700 million and $770 million. Non-GAAP EPS range of $0.76 to $0.98 on a 175 million diluted shares. First quarter guidance excludes the amortization of acquired intangibles and the non-cash imputed interest on the convertible debt. First quarter gross margins are estimated at 58.5% and 59.5%. First quarter opex running at 33% to 36% of first quarter sales.The non-GAAP operating profit rate at the midpoint of our first quarter guidance is 24%.

Looking at 2022, our first half 2022 outlook is down from 2021. This will be felt in the first and second quarters, with expected Q2 company sales to be about 25% lower than Q2 '21 levels. Regarding our opex plans for 2022, opex growth of 11% to 13% is expected with the majority of the incremental growth in IA. This will likely put our opex above model in 2022 before coming back to model in '23. The opex investment this year is targeted at R&D to improve ease of use, broaden our robot product lines and strengthen our go-to-market capabilities, all in support of long-term sales and earnings growth. Turning to capital expenditures. We expect capex to be approximately $160 million. For 2022, our GAAP and non-GAAP tax rate is estimated at 15%, based on current tax laws.

Moving to our earnings model, we expect Test and IA growth will drive 2024 company revenue to $4.9 billion dollars and non-GAAP EPS to $8 at the midpoint of our updated model. Gross margin is estimated at 59% to 60%, a 100 basis point increase from the prior model and is based on product mix and operating leverage from higher revenue.

Opex as a percent of sales will decline to 26% to 28% and our non-GAAP operating margin expected will be 31% to 34%. The model assumes current tax laws. As shown on the supporting slide, the new model is in line with the trend line performance.

Now let me provide a little color. In 2021, non-GAAP EPS of $5.98, we've achieved our previous 2024 earnings model three years early on the strength of our test businesses. As we've done in the past, when building our earnings model we consider the year-on-year demand swings that occur in both Test and IA but we evaluate our growth on a trend line versus any specific year.

Therefore, as in past models, we use the average of 2020 and 2021 revenue as the baseline for our projections. From that baseline, we expect Test revenue to grow at 7% to 11% compounded, and IA revenues to grow 32% to 45% through 2024. Both growth rates are significant increases both in absolute and relative terms from our earlier model.

In SemiTest, we expect long-term growth will be driven by the steady increase in device complexity across our businesses, along with high single-digit semiconductor unit growth. The transition to three nanometer and gate-all-around technologies will drive complexity growth and higher transistor densities, increased test data collection for process yield learning and longer test times. The complexity point is illustrated by looking at the recent market size trends. When taking an average of 2018 and 2019, the ATE market size was approximately $4 billion. In '21 and '22, the average will be approximately $6 billion. Our earnings model assumes continued growth in the ATE market and we believe WFE capex is a leading indicator of future test demand. This capacity is being put in place to service favorable semiconductor end market trends.

First, the compute market is benefiting from the growth of both x86 and ARM-based solutions, higher performing solutions at a faster cadence than in the past. The ARM solutions include new hyperscale applications along with AI devices or the data center and edge compute. Second, automotive market has elevated to a higher level, increases in electric and autonomous driving are pushing the growth and complexity, and number of chips per car. Third, the analog industrial end market is expected to continue to operate at a higher level as the digitization of industry continues to broaden. In IA, we're attacking an attractive and sustainable long-term growth opportunity. Market penetration of cobots, autonomous mobile robots remains below 3%, while the range of applications they economically serve continues to expand. Our strategy is to drive penetration higher in existing markets and grow the number of new applications in new industry verticals. To enable this strategy, we continue to lean into our opex investments, we'll operate the IA-business with the target operating margin of 5% to 15%, while we invest to drive growth and reinforce our competitive position. We don't expect the growth rate to moderate in the mid term. But at the point in the future that it does, we'll dial back the opex growth and expect operating margins above 20%. In 2022, we expect we'll operate towards the low end of the 5% to 15% range.

Shifting to capital allocation, we'll continue our balanced strategy. This year, we'll increase our quarterly dividend by 10% to $0.11 per share in 2022. Regarding our share repurchases, in 2021, we bought back 4 million shares for $600 million at an average price of $125.74. In 2022, we expect a minimum of $750 million of repurchases, reflecting our confidence in our operating model and the end markets we serve.

In summary, 2021 was a record year for sales and earnings. Our global team continued to deliver extraordinary results in a challenging environment. The team's success in balancing customer demands and business needs amidst a constantly changing collection of pandemic-induced constraints was impressive. As we look ahead, on term growth trends in our end markets remain strong and we've updated our earnings model to reflect that outlook. Well, we expect 2022 will be below the long-term revenue and earnings growth trend lines, we're confident in the long-term trends in our markets and our ability to thrive in them.

With that, I'll turn things back to Andy.

Andy Blanchard
Vice President of Corporate Relations at Teradyne

Thanks. Sanjay. Michelle, we'd now like to take some questions. And as a reminder, please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Thank you.

Questions and Answers

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Mehdi Hosseini with SIG. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Mehdi Hosseini
Analyst at Signal Hill

Yes, thanks for taking my question. I think it will be great if you could give us some more detail as it relates to your largest customer, your commentary on the 2021 and 19% contribution is insightful but given your guide for '22, suggests that we are in a two-year digestion period. I understand the three nanometer, which has been known for six months, but I think expectation was for higher unit shipments for that particular customer to make up for push out in three nanometer. And it seems like that's not enough. And again, we go back to two-year digestion and I'm wondering if you can comment on what I just said? And I have a follow-up.

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Sure. Mehdi, of course, I'm not going to divulge too much about our specific customer because that wouldn't be appropriate but I'll give you some additional color. So I wouldn't call last year a digestion period, first of all. Last year, we had tremendous growth outside of that concentration, which sort of brought their portion of our revenue from the low 20s down below 20%. So it's really growth elsewhere that drove them down a bit versus digestion.

The phenomena this year is something that has been in -- whether we attribute it to a variety of things, such as complexity growth due to unit volume, I think I don't want to comment too much about that because again, it gets into some proprietary information. But the latest news we have is that, as we've indicated, there will be a pretty significant reduction here in the first half of the year, which is usually the big ramp of tooling for the Fall launch of new products. And we've quantified that as best we can. The second half, we don't see, but typically, tooling starts in March, it peaks in the second quarter and a little bit dribbles into July. So, that's where we'll feel the impact.

Mehdi Hosseini
Analyst at Signal Hill

Got it, thank you. And just a quick follow-up on IA and Sanjay mentioned that, for '22, operating margin is targeted at 5% at the low end, perhaps you can give us some color on the ROIC difference between IA and automated test? And what is it that you're looking at in the longer term that would make a continued opex investment in IA attractive and perhaps maybe ROIC or some other metrics could help us to better think about the investment that you're making?

Sanjay Mehta
Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Teradyne

Yes. So, hi, Mehdi, it's Sanjay. So I think the latter part of the question first. You know, as we see revenue continue to grow and with the penetration of the market of less than 3%, we are going to continue to invest in driving competitive advantage, broaden the portfolio, go-to-market, across the board and engineering and go-to-market to continue to capture the market share.

From a profitability or leverage perspective, moving more towards the ROIC comment, is fundamentally when the market starts to slow and growth starts to slow at some time in the future and we haven't considered that within our mid-term, we don't see that growth moderating over the midterm, with our 32% to 45% growth, at that point is when we will lower the investment.

I will comment another point on the ROIC is, our gross margins in that segment are above the corporate average. So we'll start to see a much higher return on the invested capital when revenue starts to moderate, the growth starts to moderate, but fundamentally, we are leaning into opex to really capture that market.

Mehdi Hosseini
Analyst at Signal Hill

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of John Pitzer with Credit Suisse. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

John Pitzer
Analyst at Credit Suisse Group

Yeah, good morning guys. Thanks for letting me ask my questions. Mark, last night, Advantest reported overnight and I think it's always a little bit dangerous to compare because starting points can be different, but I think they guided kind of their view of the SoC market up about 16% this year versus yours of flat, I'm just trying to -- and it's all the same growth rate that you have for '21. So I guess I'm just trying to square the circle as to whether not I should view your guidance as being particularly conservative or is the way you square the circle, just your relative customer concentration? I guess if you look outside your largest customer, how do you see the SoC market trends for this year?

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Yeah, it's a good question, I saw those numbers too. I think there's two phenomenons that you cited going on. I think we are a bit lower than them in terms of the annual market size guide, part of that is due to the fact that probably what our largest concentration is doing this year is somewhat opaque to them. And so that's a factor that's probably not in their numbers. And I do think if you look at the rest of the market. Excluding that high concentration of ours, there is growth this year in the market, which is what we expect. So it's probably, it's almost probably 50-50 that gets the difference.

John Pitzer
Analyst at Credit Suisse Group

That's helpful. And then, Sanjay, just going back to Mehdi's on the IA Business, I think I understand the dynamic of growth rate top margin but is there sort of a revenue level of IA, where you would expect to see scale takeover or is this the business that the fast year growing, the more you have to build our channels? I'm just kind of curious, is there a revenue level that we can expect you guys hitting in some time out in the future that's just going to drive some natural operating leverage in that business?

Sanjay Mehta
Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Teradyne

Yeah, and over the mid-term in our model, we are seeing a little bit of that play out as revenues grow. Sure, the fixed -- certain fixed costs are going to gain on that leverage but I'd ask you to think about is, as we grow into different verticals in the applications within those verticals, we're really building both engineering capability in our product, reducing friction in those different verticals of how we can get to reducing the time of implementation significantly.

So, a significant portion is tied to R&D, as well as scaling the go-to-market in different territories and in different segments. But the quick answer is, as I said earlier, there is some of that scale we are seeing in the midterm, and we will see that come in, but I just wanted to reinforce the point that we continue and plan to continue to invest in broadening the portfolio, reducing friction of implementation and really go to market investments.

John Pitzer
Analyst at Credit Suisse Group

Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Vivek Arya with Bank of America. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Vivek Arya
Analyst at Bank of America

Thanks for taking my question. For my first one, I'm curious, Mark, how much does Test intensity change as you move from five or four nanometers to three nanometers and gate-all-around? And is this a step function in '23 and then it stays flat in '24 or is there a growth from '23 to '24? So just conceptually, how much does test intensity or complexity, whichever way you want to quantify it, change from five, four-nanometers to three nanometers and gate-all-around?

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Okay. There's a couple of ways you can look at it, maybe the economic way to look at that would just look at history a little bit, when we see a major node transition in the industry, you can see that the tester market, the ATE market and our revenue sort of grows faster than, let's say, two years into a node. So economically, if you look at that sort of -- and you can kind of see that in the charts we published with the earnings deck, that shows the revenue trends against the trend line over time. Certain years are above the trend lines, those tend to correlate to when new nodes get introduced. And the new nodes enables a big jump economically, a big jump in transistor count and transistor count is what drives our business. More transistors means more test times, means more testers.

So, but the last part of this is, it takes a couple of years for a new node to sort of reach sort of its normalized volume. So in the first year of production, let's say three nanometer next year, maybe three nanometer will grow to somewhere around 12% plus or minus of semiconductor revenue next year, maybe it's 10, maybe it's 13, something like that.

In 2024, it will continue to ramp and maybe it will represent closer to 20- 25%. So you -- we'll see a couple of years of benefit from three nanometer as it sort of grows in its contribution to the overall semiconductor revenue stream.

Vivek Arya
Analyst at Bank of America

All right. And for my follow-up, I'm curious, what is your current exposure to 5G modems and how should we think about how it evolves from 2023, both from a unit and a content perspective?

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Modems are a strong area for us. The dynamics are changing a bit there because more and more cell phone manufacturers are starting to build their own modems. So there's been a sort of a disaggregation of that market. And by and large, that's a positive trend for us because the relative share position we have, let's say the established suppliers of modems was below our average share in the market and our share at the disaggregated newcomers that are building their own modems is higher. So we look at that as a positive.

Vivek Arya
Analyst at Bank of America

And is that contemplated in your '24 outlook or would you say incrementally?

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

It is contemplated, yes.

Vivek Arya
Analyst at Bank of America

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Timothy Arcuri with UBS. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Timothy Arcuri
Analyst at UBS Group

Hi, thanks a lot. I'm wondering, Mark, can you break down the $4.8 billion SoC TAM in 2021 into the different segments, mobility, and compute, and autos, and industry, and all those kind of things. And then also, can you give us some sense of, if you assume the market is flat, which I'm going to ask you a follow-up, it's like hard to believe that the market would be just flat, but, but if you assume it is, can you talk about how you would see the mix shifting in '22? And then, I had a follow-up as well.

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Okay. I'll give you the numbers by the segments as we currently kind of see them today and of course, these are estimates for 2022 and '21 for that matter. But the compute market as an example, we think, last year was about a $1.1 billion ATE market, and we think that's going to grow this year to about $1.3 billion. So there's growth in the compute segment. Mobility last year was about $2 billion, we think that will come down to $1.8 billion. Much of that is due to our concentrated area. Automotive and MCU, we think is flat, at about $0.5 billion year-over-year. Industrials, down slightly, probably $600 million to $500 million, and then the service business will grow maybe $100 million, from $600 million to $700 million.

Timothy Arcuri
Analyst at UBS Group

Got it. Okay, thanks. And then I guess I had a question just on, I mean, having followed this industry for 25 years, the relationship, I mean it doesn't hold true every year between WFE and Testers market size. But some of maybe what you're seeing in the SoC market is because some of the WFE suppliers are struggling to get tools installed and whatnot. But once those tools get installed, you're going to have to test those chips and if you compare the size of the SoC TAM to the size of the -- you compared non-memory to non-memory, you have a $60 billion to $65 billion non-memory WFE TAM this year and if the SoC TAM is only $4.8 billion, I mean we'd like never seen a ratio anywhere close to that low. So it would either say that the number this year has to be a lot higher as that stuff gets installed or you make it up next year. Can you just sort of talk about that? I know that you guys look at those numbers, but it just seems sort of hard to believe that the ratio would be that low. Thanks.

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

You're absolutely right. And the reason is kind of what you hinted at is, the time it's taking to bring up three nanometer is longer than traditionally it's taken to bring up a new node, we're kind of stretching it into a three-year window. So the tool -- a lot of the tools, by the way, have been put in place. Some are a little bit constrained by supply, but a lot of them have been put in place but tuning the recipe, getting it ready for ramp and then the cycle, the process cycle time for the wafers themselves is longer.

Once mass production switch turns on, it's incrementally longer to crank the wafers through the whole recipe than the prior node. So there is a throughput, so all of that kind of moves the impact of three nanometer to 2023, but the ratios that you talked about is why we've, we look at this carefully too, and our midterm earnings model has increased so significantly compared to a year ago, because all of this equipment going into support this new technology is a bow wave come in our way. And the only unfortunate thing is it's, it didn't make it for 2022.

Timothy Arcuri
Analyst at UBS Group

Got it, okay. Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Atif Malik with Citi. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Atif Malik
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Yes, thanks for taking my question. Mark, as a follow-up to Tim's prior question about the WFE relation, given that you have very low, almost no exposure to x86 related spending, which is a very big portion of WFE this year and next year, I mean how should we think about your test growth, I mean I think the correlations, it probably breaks down because you don't have a lot of exposure there and the spending, spending from government and whatnot. And then what about things like advanced packaging and heterogeneous compute if you can talk about when the test attach rates become a meaningful driver for those end markets?

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Yes. So you know there is -- let's say Teradyne's growth and the market growth to think about and the x86 world, for example, in 2022 was quite anemic, whereas Teradyne's business was quite strong that year, because of where we're concentrated and who -- which customers are tooling. So in 2022, the x86 world I think is going to be more robustly tooling than last year even and we won't benefit much from that this year. So that in fact is a true dynamic. And then, other things happening with advanced packaging and chiplets and all of that, those are moving I would say modestly into the market.

They moved in cell phones a while ago but in compute, that's something I think that we're probably not going to feel until 2024 maybe. Three nanometer will come first and then the sort of more ubiquitous use of different kinds of advanced packaging will follow shortly thereafter. But the two things won't jump on top of each other just because the -- I think the yield concerns of two new technologies at once will keep them staggered.

Atif Malik
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Great. And as a follow-up for Sanjay, is there any impact from supply constraints in your guidance for the March quarter as other suppliers have talked about getting hit from labor shortages and freight-related issues?

Sanjay Mehta
Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Teradyne

Sure, I'd say the supply impact in Q4, there's really no material supply impact on sales. But in Q1, I'd say we have about $30 million to $40 million worth of supply risk, which we've contemplated in our updated revenue guide. None of this will result in a share loss. It will just be pushed into Q2, but a little bit of commentary on the supply environment.

Fundamentally, we see the supply tightening in 2022. Many more semiconductor players are going into formal allocation, which is incrementally -- indicates incremental tightness in the market in 2022. We were under the impression that in the second half of 2022 with the fab and substrate investments that the supply-demand dynamic will alleviate and the tightening with loosen. However, our view currently, is that that's being pushed out to the first half of 2023, really based on the discussion with our supply chain partners. And so while the fab and substrate capital is being deployed in increasing supply, we still see tightness over 2022.

Atif Malik
Analyst at Smith Barney Citigroup

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Toshiya Hari with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Toshiya Hari
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Good morning. Thanks so much for taking the questions. I had two as well. One on the SemiTest side and the other on IA. Mark, I think in your prepared remarks you talked about Eagle Test, and sort of a platform growing 90% year-over-year. I think that's very consistent with some of the TAM numbers you just gave out in response to prior question. Just curious how you're thinking about Eagle Test in '22? When we listen to your customers talk about their capex intentions not only in the wafer processing, but also in test, the posture is really aggressive right, whether it be TI or ST or on Microchip. I mean long, long list of customers. Just curious how you're thinking about Eagle Test and why is your TAM estimate flattish year-over-year?

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Yeah. So, there's a couple of things going on there. So the Eagle Test product. And the thing that we usually talk about called Automotive, tends to be more of the traditional power-related semiconductor content in an automobile. And so as the supply chain needed to be replenished last year, automobile production started to come back up a lot of the traditional airbag control anti-lock brake control, all of those things drove Eagle demand. And we think this year for Eagle, for those kinds of devices will be similar to what it was last year. So not growth and as I said, the market as well, not growth. However, there is another thing that we are having a harder time classifying as automotive, which is the digital content of automobiles.

We tend to put that at the moment in the compute market, and those advanced controllers are something that is more targeted and put on our UltraFLEX platform. So we are expecting to see some growth there for applications, automotive applications, they're digital content. But for the moment, at least, because it's somewhat nascent and growing it's bucketed in compute.

Toshiya Hari
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Got it, thank you for that. And then, as my follow-up on the IA side, I guess I'm curious why wouldn't this business grow faster in the near term? I realize you've got supply constraints, but when you think about the business on a three to five-year basis, before 40ish% growth is certainly not bad growth, but given the penetration rate of cobots that you guys have talked about, the labor shortages, with wage inflation I'm guessing payback periods are shorter. So from a user perspective, I feel like it's a no-brainer, particularly with Covid and all these things going on. So is it manufacturing capacity, is it distribution? I think in the past you guys have talked about getting the word out is kind of an important dynamic as you grow that business. But why wouldn't this grow 60%, 70%, 80% as opposed to 35% 40%? Thank you.

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Yes, that is the million-dollar question that I asked every day. And because you're absolutely right. The dynamics are there, the ROI is there, everything is there. The biggest obstacle to sort of faster growth is the unfortunate fact that to deploy a cobot takes a human and it takes a skilled human, a technician today to spend some number of weeks, depending on the application, putting it into production. And therefore, we are somewhat constrained by the same labor supply issues that all global industry is experiencing.

We're growing that 30 plus percent a year, that army. It's not an army that we ourselves hire, as much as it's an army that our distribution partners hire, and they are, but there is some practical limitation on how quickly they can hire and train. So the way out of this bottleneck is to make that deployment time quicker and quicker and quicker, which is why we are actually growing faster than we're growing the human fleet of people to install these things, but we've got to widen that gap. We have to get to grow 50% only takes 10% more people for example in the applications deployment space, but that's the biggest single thing and we're working on that, we're planning in the model we presented here, with growing -- continuing to grow with this sort of 30% to 45% rate through 2024, we're assuming that every year, we're going to make progress on that efficiency.

Toshiya Hari
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Very helpful. Thanks, Mark.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of CJ Muse with Evercore. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

CJ Muse
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I guess first question, Mark. If I go back to kind of your commentary, three, four months ago, it certainly sounded like the breadth of spending at your largest customer combined with diversification, share gains elsewhere at kind of new ARM-based emerging players gave you the confidence that even if your top customer were to decline in '22, that you'd still be well-positioned, but now you're guiding to an SoC test market relative to Advantest, that is $700 million lower, you told us that your largest customer was 19%, which is about $700 million. So are you basically telling us that you're taking your largest customer to zero this year? And I guess, why would that change so dramatically kind of in the last three to four months? I think that it was widely known that three nanometer was going to be a very kind of small node in '22, much larger in '23, so I'm curious what really has changed in the last three to four months in your view?

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Well, I think the -- certainly the macro number around how much our largest customer represents as revenue last year is right, around $700 million at 19% of revenue. No, it's not going to zero. It's going to probably be below 10%. So the magnitude, I think that the change that has occurred represents is larger than we would have expected. And I think that the transparency around -- and even now, the amount of visibility into what that will be is still vague. So it's not something that we typically get full confirmation of until April of this year, so to speak. So we're kind of working on the most recent inputs that we've received. And I think they're fundamentally, as I've said in the past, there's always multiple scenarios in flight with the area we're concentrated in as to how the year can play out?

And there is a range of forecast that we get that get updated along the way. And those can swing dramatically, as they have done this time. So I don't have any more insight than that or any things that I think is prudent to share around what changed with that large account. But I do think if you go from $700 million below 10%ish probably this year, that's a big portion of the delta between perhaps what Advantest is guiding and we're guiding. And then we're down into 5% difference on our forecast for the year and it could be either way, it could be either way. I don't think there is a lot of precision in that on our side or theirs. But I think we're pretty close.

CJ Muse
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Very, very helpful. I guess my follow-up question on your target model. You're talking about test revenues growing at 7% to 11% CAGR. I'm assuming that's kind of your underlying growth rate for SemiTest and if I make that assumption, then your System Test plus LitePoint, HDD, SD revenues essentially are like down $200 million in three years' time. So I guess, are you assuming a slower kind of growth CAGR for SemiTest or is there something else going on in kind of the other bucket?

Sanjay Mehta
Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Teradyne

Yeah, hi, it's Sanjay here. So, yeah. So overall, Test is growing 7% to 11%. Obviously, SemiTest is the largest component of our Test portfolio, but think of our other businesses as growing marginally in Test. Marginally at the same level or marginally a little bit higher.

CJ Muse
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Krish Sankar with Cowen and Company. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Krish Sankar
Analyst at Cowen and Company

Hi, thanks for taking my question. I had two of them. Mark, thanks for the color on the SoC market size by segment. You mentioned that compute should grow to about $1.3 billion from $1.1 billion last year. I'm just kind of curious, if you can help give a little more color on that, on the split between x86 and non-x86 and as one of the large U.S. IDM start doing more foundry business, is that an opportunity where they would start looking at outside platforms versus in-house design SoC testers? And then I have a follow-up.

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Yeah, I wouldn't attribute it all to x86. We use that as shorthand sometimes in these conversations, but there's other areas like graphics chips and FPGAs that are also part of that compute thing that are growing this year. So the collection of x86 plus graphics and FPGAs would be the driver of that. What was the second part of the question?

Krish Sankar
Analyst at Cowen and Company

Foundry.

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know the thing is, I do believe -- there is no doubt that if a company's getting into the foundry business, they're going to have to accommodate external test platforms. The only thing is that just because there's a new foundry player doesn't, it's sort of -- it doesn't change the overall global market. They're just stealing share from some other foundry who would also by commercial test equipment. The real question is for their internal product development, will they shift to commercial equipment where today they use in-house equipment? And that, you know, let's wait and see. It's, we're not assuming that in any of our mid-term plans.

So this plan through 2024 does not assume any of that. But you could imagine that the cost of continuing to invest in that is high and the rate of the roadmap change now for x86 manufacturers is quite high. It used to be a very slow predictable cadence and now the competition's heated up and it's fast and furious. It's harder and harder for the internal tester group to keep up with that. So we don't assume it's going to happen, but I think the cards are sort of played in a way that suggests it's probably going to happen. Maybe not by '24, but certainly out in the next four or five years. That would be my bet.

Krish Sankar
Analyst at Cowen and Company

Got it. Fair enough. Fair enough. Super helpful. And then, just a quick follow-up, maybe a two-part question, if I can? On the IA side, if throughput a issue for you, when -- as the industrial robotics folks start getting into -- down the payload, it seems like they might be faster than the cobots? Is doesn't issue from your vantage point? And then just a quick follow-up is, I think advances when they talk about SoC market, they include services in it, you guys do not, so is there a way -- what do you think services would be this year versus last, and maybe that can explain a couple of hundred million dollar difference maybe?

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Yeah, so first on the speed of that Robots question. Yes, traditional industrial robots tend to have much faster cycle times, they can pick and move and place things at a lightning speed. That's partly why they're dangerous, partly why they're in cages, they're kept away from people. And those products have been around for decades, frankly, decades. Collaborative robots is really opening up a whole new application space, where those 20-year-old fast products couldn't perform for some reason, either because the cost of isolating them from humans was too high or the flexibility that they had in terms of repeatability and such wasn't good enough, or the time to changeover for a higher mix environment was onerous. If it's picking up one thing and moving one thing 1,000 times a minute for years, it's the right solution and it's been solved.

So cobots is a brand new thing, it's all the places those things didn't make sense that we're opening up with cobots and I think that's what's exciting. So I don't think there's any news there.

And your last question was service in the TAM, yes, I think we estimated somewhere in the $600 million to $700 million range, I frankly don't know what Advantest's estimate on that, but it's probably close.

Krish Sankar
Analyst at Cowen and Company

Thanks, Mark.

Andy Blanchard
Vice President of Corporate Relations at Teradyne

And operator, we have time for just one more question, please.

Operator

All right. Then our last question will come from the line of Brian Chin with Stifel. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Brian Chin
Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus

Hi, good morning. Thanks for squeezing us in and letting us ask a few questions. I guess first on the SemiTest side, on a quarterly basis, Mark, it looks like the year-over-year declines might bottom out in 2Q, and certainly first half, but I guess this lower first-half revenue base, is it then unfair to expect muted seasonality or do you think a typical sort of 52%, 48% first half, second half relationship still applies given sort of your views for the TAM this year?

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Yeah. The second -- we've proven in the last two years that we're not good forecasting the second half of the year. But because of this abnormality in the first half, I would expect, on average, that you're going to see a little more of a second-half weighting because we kind of had this -- a little bit of an abnormal hole in the first. So it wouldn't be a typical year. It will probably be a little more back weighted.

Brian Chin
Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus

Okay. So it's not even level set maybe even a stronger bias to second half?

Mark E. Jagiela
Chief Executive Officer and President at Teradyne

Yes.

Brian Chin
Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus

Okay. Interesting. And I guess on the industrial automation side, based on your commentary, there is constraints and I'd imagine you expect year-over-year growth to slow near term but accelerate moving across the year, can you give us a sense of the magnitude of revenue impact this is creating in first half? And do you view that demand as perishable or shifting to second half?

Sanjay Mehta
Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Teradyne

Brian, are you asking a question about supply?

Brian Chin
Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus

Well, the overlay of supply constraints against the demand profile you see in Industrial Automation, it sounds like there was a talk of some constraints or even severe constraints in first half in that business. And so I'm kind of wondering what that revenue impact then is? And also, if it just shifts the second half or if it's perishable?

Sanjay Mehta
Vice President, Chief Financial Officer at Teradyne

Yeah. So demand is quite strong. And in Q1 out of the $30 million to $40 million I noted, about $10 million of it is tied to IA. And really, just given the allocation for Q2, our commentary or my, in my prepared remarks, it had a little bit of the impact there. So, it's true. We are seeing some supply impact in the first half, but I would say that from a first half, second half, we do expect demand in revenue in the second half for IA to be larger than the first half.

Brian Chin
Analyst at Stifel Nicolaus

Okay, great. Thanks, Sanjay.

Andy Blanchard
Vice President of Corporate Relations at Teradyne

All right, folks. We are out of time for those in the queue. I'll follow up with you offline. And thanks for joining us and we look forward to talking to you in the weeks ahead. Bye-bye.

Operator

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