F5 Q2 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

Participants

Corporate Executives

• Suzanne DuLong, Vice President, Investor Relations
• Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director
• Frank Pelzer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Analysts

• Joseph Cardoso, J.P. Morgan
• James Fish, Piper Sandler & Co.
• Amit Daryanani, Evercore ISI
• Alex Henderson, Needham & Company LLC
• Ryan, Credit Suisse Group AG
• Meta Marshall, Morgan Stanley
• Victor Chiu, Raymond James
• Jim Suva, Gitigroup
• Rod Hall, The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.
• Sebastian, William Blair & Company

Presentation

[Operator]

Good afternoon, and welcome to the F5 Incorporated Second Quarter Fiscal 2022 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I will now turn the call over to Ms. Suzanne DuLong. Ma'am, you may begin.

[Suzanne DuLong, Vice President, Investor Relations at F5]

Hello, and welcome. I am Suzanne DuLong, F5's Vice President of Investor Relations. Francois Locoh-Donou, F5's President and CEO; and Frank Pelzer, F5's Executive Vice President and CFO, will be making prepared remarks on today's call. Other members of the F5 executive team are also on hand to answer questions during the Q&A session.

A copy of today's press release is available on our website at f5.com, where an archived version of today's call will be available through July 24, 2022. Today's live discussion is supported by slides which are viewable on the webcast and will be posted to our IR site at the conclusion of today's discussion. To access a replay of today's call by phone please dial 800-585-8367 or 416-621-4642 and use meeting ID 7769889. The telephonic replay will be available through midnight Pacific Time April 27, 2022. For additional information or follow-up questions, please reach out to me directly at s.dulong@f5.com.

Our discussion today will contain forward-looking statements which include words such as believe, anticipate, expect and target. These forward-looking statements involve uncertainties and risks that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by these statements. Factors that may affect our results are summarized in the press release announcing our financial results and described in detail in our SEC filings. Please note that F5 has no duty to update any information presented in this call.

With that, I will turn the call over to Francois.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

Thank you, Suzanne, and hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. As you all know, we entered our second quarter with some significant challenges that limited our ability to fulfill demand from our systems business. We are pleased to have delivered above the midpoint of our revenue guidance and at the upper end of our non-GAAP EPS guidance despite those challenges. Importantly, we continue to deliver strong results from our software business. With 40% year-over-year growth in the quarter, software represented the majority of our product revenue for the first time, systems revenue declined 27% as a result of supply chain constraints and our global services revenue was flat year-over-year.

Our second quarter reflected another in an ongoing trend where customers continue to rapidly grow and scale both the traditional and modern applications, while placing increased importance and focus on application security. This benefits F5 and translate to continued strong demand across our portfolio. While our view towards strong demand drivers remains clear, our visibility into resolution of hardware supply chain challenges is murky. Going into Q2, we discussed two primary supply chain challenges and I am happy to report that we successfully resolved the first, which was related to spend in electronic components and required us to design in and qualify an alternative source. The second challenge we discussed is related to global shortages of specialty semiconductor component. While we have made some incremental progress on this issue, we continue to expect supply constraints will limit our ability to fulfill systems demand through the end of this fiscal year.

Part of our efforts to fulfill system demand included shifting customers from our iSeries appliances to our next generation rSeries appliances, which launched in February. We are seeing solid traction in rSeries sales and we are ramping manufacturing. However, semiconductor constraints, primarily from a handful of suppliers, continue to limit our ability to ship iSeries and are now also impacting our ability to accelerate the ramp of rSeries. As a result, our systems revenue recovery has been delayed beyond the expectations we had last quarter. Frank will review our outlook in detail later in our prepared remarks, but as a result of the delayed systems revenue recovery, we now expect to deliver fiscal year 2022 revenue growth in a range of 1.5% to 4%. This compares to our prior expectations for 4.5% to 8% growth. Our underlying demand remains strong however, and we continue to expect to deliver software revenue growth near the top end of our 35% to 40% target for the year.

In light of the sustained strength of our demand and our view that the supply chain constraints are temporary, we are not making changes to our operating structure, and therefore, our margins will be impacted correspondingly near-term. We obviously feel a strong sense of frustration with this change and an equally strong sense of urgency towards resolution, so we can get back to reflecting the true health of the business in our reported results. We are taking every available path to resolve the issues as quickly as possible. Our suppliers expect additional capacity beginning in the last calendar quarter of 2022, which should translate into improvement during our second quarter of fiscal 2023. While the supply chain challenges are more severe than we estimated last quarter, they are temporary. In addition to seeing continued demand for hardware, we are seeing good traction across our software portfolio, including from security use cases and our ability to bring a broader solutions portfolio to customers.

I will speak to our business momentum and demand drivers before Frank reviews the quarter's results and our outlook in detail. Our customers are increasingly operating both traditional and modern architectures and looking to F5 for solutions that simplify and unite their strategies for both. As an example, during Q2, an American multinational beverage company and a long-time BIG-IP customer so like to NGINX to serve its cloud and Kubernetes-based workloads and modern use cases. The customer is using NGINX to automate app content delivery, including its loyalty program and delivery services, both of which have experienced substantial growth during the pandemic. The addition of NGINX technologies to the customers multiyear subscription resulted in a 2x expansion of the subscription upon renewal. Customers also are operating in multiple clouds and uncovering new challenges as a result.

F5's infrastructure agnostic approach to application security and delivery differentiates us from vendors who're siloed to a single environment. This means we are uniquely positioned to help customers with their multi-cloud of challenges. During Q2, we were selected by the Ministry of Health for nation in our APAC region, not being locked into a single cloud was an important consideration for this customer. They had intention of modernizing in a single-cloud short-term the plan to expand into additional cloud in the near future. The customer selected F5 over cloud-native offerings as a result of our solutions clear value-add and our cloud agnostic capabilities. We enable the customer to create a true multi-cloud architecture with both on-premises and cloud environment in a deal expanding our portfolio, including BIG-IP hardware and software with advanced WAF and NGINX including app protect and API management.

Finally, it's clear that hybrid architectures, including on-premises data centers and as a service offerings are here to stay. Applications and workloads also are increasingly containerized and mobile. This means complexity is here to stay tune and that managing applications across disparate environment will remain a challenge for customers. Meeting that challenge is likely to require a distributed cloud architecture and platform agnostic security and delivery technologies that provide consistent protection, visibility and performance for all application legacy, modern and mobile across environments. In Q2, we took a large step forward towards helping customers better manage multi-cloud complexities with the launch of our F5 distributed cloud services. With this platform, we are delivering security, multi-cloud networking and edge-based computing solutions on a unified software-as-a-service platform.

Our first solution for the platform F5 distributed cloud web application and API protection or WAP augments multiple security capabilities across F5 technology in a SaaS offering. This offering reflects the first major step in our integration of our Volterra platform and F5 software security stack. F5 distributed cloud services is globally available and we are seeing strong early enterprise and service provider. SoftBank announced one of the first notable win for F5 distributed cloud this quarter. The corporate information technology division of SoftBank needed to improve low resource utilization and other inefficiencies of its private virtualized infrastructure. But its security requirements mandated on-premises deployment with an option for future public cloud capabilities. It's not a way to bring the effectiveness of cloud-native micro services and containers to its private data center and turned to F5 distributed cloud services.

We are leveraging F5 distributed cloud branding to further integrate customers experience with F5 by simplifying our product meaning. You will see we have united and renamed our SaaS and managed services portfolio including Shape, Volterra and Silverline under our F5 distributed cloud services umbrella. So expect to hear us refer to those solutions accordingly going forward. In summary, despite our short-term supply chain challenges, there is a lot to look forward to from F5. We have multiple current and future software drivers that are well aligned with our customers' most pressing application needs, including BIG-IP's ability to serve and secure traditional apps, NGINX's ability to serve and secure modern apps and the exciting opportunity to grow and expand F5 distributed cloud services, we are well placed to enable our customers to manage and secure their growing and rapidly evolving application estates.

Now, I will turn the call to Frank to review our Q2 results and our second half outlook in detail. Frank?

[Frank Pelzer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at F5]

Thank you, Francois, and good afternoon, everyone. I will review our Q2 results before discussing our second half outlook. We delivered second quarter revenue of $634 million above the midpoint of our guidance range and reflecting a 2% decline year-over-year. Software revenue grew 40% to $152 million. Systems revenue declined 27% to $146 million. We delivered a 4% product revenue decline year-over-year with product revenue representing 47% of total revenue in the quarter and software contributing 51% of product revenue. Rounding out our revenue picture, global services delivered $337 million in revenue. This is flat compared to last year and represented 53% of total revenue.

Taking a closer look at our software revenue. Subscription-based revenue represented 75% of total software revenue in the quarter. This is down a bit from the 80% mix where have had been in the last couple of quarters, but we do not see this as indicative of the trend, rather it reflects some activations finding variability for a couple of large multi-year subscription agreements as well as a small number of larger deals in the quarter where customers preferred a capex model. As a reminder, a significant component of our subscription business is term-based licenses that are not recognized ratably and as such we expect some quarter-to-quarter variability.

Revenue from recurring sources, which includes term subscriptions as a service and utility-based revenue as well as the maintenance portion of our services revenue totaled 69% of revenue in the quarter. This is up from 64% in the year ago period. On a regional basis, Americas delivered 4% revenue growth year-over-year, representing 57% of total revenue, EMEA declined 9%, representing 25% of revenue, and APAC declined 6%, representing 19% of revenue. In the quarter, we saw some signs of softness in EMEA. We believe this is in part related to the macro and global political concerns in the region. Enterprise customers represented 65% of product bookings in the quarter, service providers represented 15% and government customers represented 20%, including 7% from U.S. Federal.

I will now share our Q2 operating results. GAAP gross margin was 80.1%, non-GAAP gross margin was 82.9%. We continued to experience increased component prices, expedite fees and other sourcing related costs. GAAP operating expenses were $433 million. Non-GAAP operating expenses were $358 million. Our GAAP operating margin in Q2 was 11.8%. Our non-GAAP operating margin was 26.5%. Our GAAP effective tax rate for the quarter was 22.7%. Our non-GAAP effective tax rate was 21.3%. GAAP net income for the quarter was $56 million or $0.92 per share. Non-GAAP net income was $131 million or $2.13 per share.

I will now turn to the balance sheet. We generated $127 million in cash flow from operations in Q2. Capital expenditures for the quarter was $5 million. DSO for the quarter was 59 days. Cash and investments totaled approximately $922 million at quarter end. During the quarter, we repurchased approximately $125 million worth of F5 shares or approximately 610,000 shares at an average price of $205. Deferred revenue increased 17% year-over-year to $1.60 billion, up from $1.58 billion in Q1. The growth in total deferred was largely driven by subscriptions and SaaS bookings growth and to a lesser extent deferred service maintenance. Finally, we ended the quarter with approximately 6,700 employees, up approximately 150 from Q1.

Francois shared our updated fiscal year 2022 revenue outlook in his remarks. I will recap the details of the second half outlook with you now. Unless otherwise stated, please note that my guidance comments reference non-GAAP operating metrics. I will begin with our revised view for fiscal 2022. Given persistent and dynamic supply chain pressures, which are limiting our systems revenue recovery in near-term, we expect to deliver fiscal year 2022 revenue growth within the range of 1.5% to 4% for the year. This compares to our prior expectations of 4.5% to 8% growth. We continue to expect to deliver close to the top-end of our 35% to 40% software revenue growth target for the year. We expect global services growth of approximately 1% to 1.5% for the year, reflecting the lower expected range of system sales.

Because we believe the current supply chain challenges are temporary and do not reflect the underlying growth of the business, we do not intend to adjust our operating model near-term. We believe doing so would risk compromising our ability to deliver future revenue growth. As a result, we are likely to see operating margin pressure over the next several quarters. We expect non-GAAP operating margin in the range of 27% to 28% for FY '22. We would expect to regain the Rule of 40 operating benchmark as we return to full manufacturing capacity. We continue to expect our full fiscal year effective tax rate will be in the range of 20% to 21% with some fluctuations quarter-to-quarter. We remain committed to repurchasing $500 million in shares during the fiscal year.

I will now move to our third quarter expectations. We expect Q3 revenue in the range of $660 million to $680 million. Given component cost and the costs related to actions we are taking to mitigate supply chain pressures, we expect Q3 gross margins of approximately 82%. We estimate Q3 operating expenses of $368 million to $380 million. Our Q3 earnings target is $2.18 to $2.30 per share. We expect Q3 share-based compensation expense of approximately $63 million to $65 million.

With that, I will turn the call back over to Francois. Francois?

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

Thank you, Frank. In closing, we will continue doing everything in our power to mitigate supply chain impact for our customers. While supply chain is currently overshadowing the underlying strength of our business, we believe constraints will begin to abate as we move through the next several quarters. Our software and software-as-a-service, app security and delivery solutions will drive our future growth and our long-term opportunity. We have created a portfolio and a roadmap that is well aligned with our customers' strategic priorities and because of that we are more confident than ever in our position, our strategy and our long-term opportunity.

With that, operator, we will open the call to Q&A.

Questions and Answers

[Operator]

Sure, Francois, and thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Samik Chatterjee from J.P. Morgan. Please ask your question.

[Joseph Cardoso, Analyst at J.P. Morgan]

Hi, yes. This is Joe Cardoso on for Samik Chatterjee. My first question is just on the supply challenges that you highlighted during your prepared remarks. Can you touch on some of the actions that you're taking or financing to help alleviate some of the pressures from the headwinds that you're facing from a supply challenges, like are you guys passing on higher pricing at all, are you starting to see the benefit from higher pricing as some of the other networking peers in this space have done. And then just relative to the underlying components that are being and for the two product offering that you highlighted, when do you start to see or when should we expect to see some improvement there? Have you been given any timelines from the suppliers? And what's driving your content on that timeline? Thank you.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

So, thank you for the question. Let me start on the pricing. We have been generally philosophically quite cautious about pricing with our customers. That being said, we have seen, as you know, significant price increases and so a significant cost increases and we did affect the price increase in the last few months that was in the high single-digits and we will continue to review our cost and kind of refine our models and look at whether we need to do anything else in the coming months. But we are going to continuously review that in line with what we're seeing from a component perspective, but we've already taken the first action in that area, I think we want -- as it relates to when things do get better.

So based on conversations with our suppliers Samik and all of this is really about the semiconductor supply chain and it's really a handful of strategic suppliers that we have and we do have deep and broad conversations with them on a very regular basis including executive to executive conversations to really address the challenges that the and us are facing. And based on these conversations, we expect them to have improvements in their capacity in the fourth calendar quarter of the year, which should translate to improvement in our revenue in the first calendar quarter of 2023, which would be our second fiscal quarter. We expect these improvements from them based upon their expectations of additional fab capacity and what we've seen in terms of their consistent milestones around increasing that capacity. So we're not sitting on our hands and waiting for just the suppliers to make improvements. We are also driving aggressive actions on our side to drive improvement. So what are we doing?

First is we are continuing to shift demand to rSeries, which is our next-generation platform, because we expect that platform to be less constrained than our iSeries platform. And from the field perspective in terms of customers taking on the rSeries platform, we are seeing actually excellent traction on this front because the value proposition of the platform, the price performance of the platform is just excellent. So we're aggressively shifting demand to rSeries. We are increasing the velocity of qualifying alternative sources of supply for both platforms actually so redesign and qualifying additional suppliers on these platforms to alleviate the supply shortages, and of course, we continue to make aggressive advance purchases with our suppliers. We have been doing that for several quarters, but we continue to do that very aggressively and providing them a lot of visibility into our forecast for future quarters. So with these actions, as I said, we expect better supply in our fourth calendar quarter that will translate into that first come in the quarter of 2023 for improvements into our hardware revenue.

[Joseph Cardoso, Analyst at J.P. Morgan]

Thank you. Appreciate the color, guys.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

Thank you, Samik.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of James Fish from Piper Sandler. Please ask your question.

[James Fish, Analyst at Piper Sandler & Co.]

Hey, guys, good afternoon. Kind of a loaded question here, two parts, of course. The big question we're getting after hours is really around that software number and Francois while 40% growth is strong, it was against an easier compare than last quarter. Is there any way to quantify how much that shift towards either capex purchases over software as well as how much got the way to a future period what -- on the software line occurred? And then on the system side, what should we -- what should make us believe that we are in for another hardware cut here over the next quarter or two and this is the second quarter in a row cutting hardware? And really I think giving us a sense around where backlog is versus the last quarter would be helpful for that.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

Let me start Jim with a later part of your question around hardware and then let's go to software after that. So Jim the reality is that there is so much constraints in the supply chain -- in the semiconductor supply chain today that our visibility into supply -- into our supply is not very long-term. It's actually very short term. And so what we're doing is giving you the best visibility that we have today. Just like we did last quarter we did not anticipate in our forecast, when we guided for the full year last quarter, we did not anticipate yet another significant deterioration in the availability of these semiconductor components and also the fact that the broker market has gone completely dry and that's why we have another step down in terms of our ability to ship for the full year.

In providing the view for the full year here Jim, we've looked to be appropriately conservative based upon what we know today. That's not to tell you that the review of risk in the numbers we're giving you, because of course those numbers rely on deliveries from our suppliers that are going to happen later this quarter and of course in Q4. So, there is, of course, still some risk in the full year number, but we have looked to be appropriately conservative in how we've constructed it based upon all of the conversations and information we have from our suppliers.

On the backlog, Jim, we don't speak specifically to the backlog numbers, but of course our backlog has grown again this quarter by multiple tens and millions of dollars. And if you look at our demand drivers Jim they're pretty strong. So demand has remained strong. When we look at demand we are on track at the first half of the year with what our plan was for the year. And so this is really a supply issue and not a demand issue. Let's go to software and Frank will take that.

[Frank Pelzer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at F5]

Yeah, Jim. So on the software number, obviously we do not sort of guide any mix on any given quarter. And if you go back in time to the first half of -- if you go back to Analyst Day in November of 2020 and we talked about software guidance in that 35% to 40% range. After the second -- first quarter we had 70%, in the second quarter we had 20% and there was a lot of question marks around would we ever be able to make that 35% to 40% range and we ended up with 37% for the year. We talked about at the beginning of this year that there was going to be less volatility and variability in that number. I think last quarter it was 47%, this quarter it was 40%. But there is no dynamic to speak of a mix shift or any other factor. There is quarter-to-quarter easier comp, but we do think about this number of growth in terms of an annual basis, certainly not on a quarterly basis. We're quite happy with where we've ended in the first half and continue to expect performed in the second half to be near the top end of our 35% to 40% range.

[James Fish, Analyst at Piper Sandler & Co.]

Thanks, guys. I'll yielded back.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

Thanks, Jim

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Amit Daryanani from Evercore. Please ask your question.

[Amit Daryanani, Analyst at Evercore ISI]

Thanks a lot for taking my question. I guess, I have a question on a quick clarification for me. The question I really have is on the operating margin structure. So if I look at the full year guide, you're talking about 27%, 28% operating margin, which is down, I don't know like 400 basis points year-over-year even though there are some revenue growth in the model on a year-over-year basis. So I just wanted to, what's the revenue run rate do you think you need to get back to the 32%, 33% kind of operating margin range on a quarterly basis? And alternatively, what do you see from a macro basis to perhaps say I need to get more aggressive and optimizing my cost structure? Love to just understand how you think of opex as you go forward. Is there anything you'd call out in terms of why is software implied to decelerate in the back half of the year or fiscal year versus the front half? Is this something on the renewals that's happened there or just anything you would call out that would be helpful.

[Frank Pelzer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at F5]

Well, sure. So, why don't I start and then I'll turn it over to Francois. So on the operating margin side, I think what we said in the past few quarters is that our expense plan has not changed and largely that that is absolutely true. If you take a look at where our -- where the expected point of operating expenses in relation to that 8% to 9% regional growth rates that we had in the model and where we also had our gross margin expectations that would lead to sort of the expectation of what we have for operating expenses for the full year. And so the run rate for that 32% to 33% is exactly what we talked about at the beginning of the year what we would need. What we have seen is a shortfall in the hardware number because of the supply chain constraints, but because they are temporary we don't think it's right to change the operating expenses to potentially hinder our longer term growth trajectory of the business. And so that's why we have not changed the operating model.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

And then your second part of your question was about software growth?

[Amit Daryanani, Analyst at Evercore ISI]

Yeah, I guess, Francois, when I look at the guide for the full year, right, you started at low 40% growth call it in the first half of your fiscal year. And so just mathematically you're talking about things decelerating in the back half of your fiscal year so I'm wondering is there something with the renewals that happened in the first half or this is just being a bit more pragmatic, but just what's driving that implied sale on software in the back half.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

Yeah, no, I think that's what Frank was talking to this a moment ago that, when you document we guided to 35% to 40% growth for, first of all, for our Horizon 2 going back at in 2020 and we delivered 37% growth in fiscal 2021. We guided again to 35% to 40% growth this year and in fact we said we would get to the top-end, near the top-end of that range, and we're on track to achieve that. We've always admit that we weren't looking at this on a quarter-to-quarter basis, but more on an annual basis in part because our software business is not just ratable SaaS model that it does include term subscriptions and therefore there would be some variability quarter-to-quarter. We did say that we would see less variability quarter-to-quarter this year than we did last year and we're also on track to deliver against that. So there isn't a different dynamic if you will in terms of the software business than what we have seen in the past. The renewals that you just referred to the trends on those -- on these renewals are very, very encouraging as well as the true forward and the expansions on the the agreements that we signed in the past. So we are generally very pleased with the software drivers.

[Amit Daryanani, Analyst at Evercore ISI]

Perfect. Thank you very much.

[Operator]

You are next Alex Henderson of Needham. Your line is open.

[Alex Henderson, Analyst at Needham & Company LLC]

Great. Thank you very much. I wanted to go back to the comment you made about EMEA slowing a little bit and the decline in revenues in EMEA and APAC versus the growth in the U.S. And contrast that with the extremely strong demand conditions that you're dealing with obviously outstripping your supply. Can you talk to why there was such a split between the U.S. results and the international results. And when you talk about Europe, specifically you mentioned a slowdown in demand there as a result of the economy. Can you further that into the overall demand picture a little bit please.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

Yeah, so let me start there. What we saw in the -- in our second fiscal quarter there and I would say really kind of starting in February and beyond is a slowdown of demand in Europe, and we think -- and it of accelerated a little bit into the last month of the quarter which was in March, we think it is attributed to macroeconomic conditions of course the Ukraine, Russia war, even though our business in Russia is very small. So there is not really select impact territorially. But in terms of the whole sentiment in Europe around inflation and potentially the economy slowing down, we think that has caused some customers to be a little more cautious to scrutinize spend a little more and potentially through delay some orders that they would otherwise make.

Now, in the big schema thing, we're not talking about multiple tens of millions of dollars here. It's effectively a smaller effect on that, but it was noticable enough in our trends that we felt that we should pointed out in part because we don't yet know how this will play out in Europe in coming quarters and whether with the continuance of the conflicts and more inflation whether this will continue and to what extent. We also had very strong demand in the Americas in the enterprise space as well as service providers overall, so about contrast a little bit with the Europe.

[Frank Pelzer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at F5]

And Alex, I do have to add. This is where you start to see or you may not see the clearest picture in terms of demand of bookings versus just recognized revenue up because of the constraints that we have in hardware. And so normally in the quarters before there will be a tight link. But when we take a look at where some of the bigger backlog of activity was happening and it was more in the Americas that got shipped out in the quarter associated with the revenue recognition of that system, which is going to skew this number a little bit more.

[Alex Henderson, Analyst at Needham & Company LLC]

Is Europe more biased systems and that's unless to software, is that part of it? And is there any change in your supply chain -- in your pipeline in Europe in April that would suggest continued erosion in the conditions there? And then I'll cede the floor. Thanks.

[Frank Pelzer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at F5]

Yeah, so the answer to your first question is, no, there is no specific activity. I mean, as a whole, Europe probably is slightly higher weighted towards hardware and APAC slightly towards hardware in bookings, than some of the other businesses, but it's not dramatic. I think what you will see is just where we've got more backlog end of the aging of that backlog that's some of the first things that will get shipped out and we will skew some of these hardware numbers and the overall revenue by geo number until we get fully caught up on some of these supply chain constraints. And so as we talked about last quarter, we are trying to -- we're going to very much take a customer-centric view towards meeting this demand with the limited supply that we've got and that is going to just skew these numbers a little bit. We did point out because of some of the delays of bookings that we saw in EMEA, particularly in month three when you had the geopolitical concerns really creep up, that's what we saw. We wanted to point that out on the demand side of the equation.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

And I just your question about April, I think the pipeline for EMEA for Q3 actually looks better than what we saw in Q2. But we are cautious because of the macro environment in Europe.

[Alex Henderson, Analyst at Needham & Company LLC]

Great. Thank you very much for that clarity.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

Absolutely.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Paul Silverstein of Cowen. Please ask your question. Once again, Paul Silverstein, your line is open. If you're on mute please unmute your line, Paul. There seems to be no response from the line of Paul. We will now be proceeding to the next question coming from the line of Sami Badri of Credit Suisse. Please ask your question.

[Ryan, Analyst at Credit Suisse Group]

Hi. This is Ryan on for Sami. Thanks for taking the question. So, basically, our first question is for customers who've historically one system whether they're all parts into software given the constraints we are seeing for the past quarter. And I have a follow-up.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

Yeah, I'll start. So, we, just broadly speaking, we have not seen a hardware to software substitution in the business. And the reason for that is that when customers -- for customers to move to software generally they have considerations from not just F5 but other providers in their environment. And generally, these other providers also have elongated lead times. They also have to have done some architectural work to move to virtualized environment which a number of customers haven't done. If they're still on hardware, so they are not ready to move to software. And for those reasons what we've seen is the majority of customers who have larger states on hardware, the lead times -- the change in our lead times alone is not a factor that is moving them to software. Now, for those on the margins who can make that move, we are working aggressively with them to make that happen, but we have seen that to be a marginal, a very marginal phenomenon to date. Whether that will change in the future if our lead times continue to be elongated is yet to be seen, but we've not seen any meaningful hardware to software substitution to date.

[Ryan, Analyst at Credit Suisse Group]

Got you, got you. Appreciate the color on that. So my follow-up is, so reduction in the guidance imply that 2023 could be a much either a revenue year or is this demand that is essentially going away given the extent.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

No, we don't think demand is going away. Let me be clear about that. We have -- we are seeing very strong demand. We haven't seen any trend in any order cancellations form. We haven't seen any loss of business to competitors, because generally other value is also have challenges with the lead times. And despite all of the challenges that we're having, our lead times are work than they used to be, but they're kind of in the mix with other folks there and we continue to see a strong demand from our customers across the board. So we don't think that our lead times and our challenges in shipping hardware right now are causing demand destruction, if you will. Going into next year this is -- we are not guiding yet to 2023, but of course it's going to be about how fast can we get back to shipping to demand. And with the visibility that we have right now we think effectively our fiscal Q1 is going to be more of the same. It may be a low point in what we see from availability of supply to date. We think we will start to see improvement in our second fiscal quarter for 2023 and our expectation is that we would be back to shipping to full demand in the back half of -- of our fiscal 2023.

[Ryan, Analyst at Credit Suisse Group]

Got it. Appreciate the color. Thanks so much.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

Thank you.

[Operator]

Your next question comes from the line of Meta Marshall from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

[Meta Marshall, Analyst at Morgan Stanley]

Great, thanks. I just wanted to get a sense of maybe kind of breaking down the iSeries and rSeries, whether the resolution of some of the supply chain issue [Technical Issues]

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

...exit our fiscal 2023, we expect to be almost a near at 100% of serving the demand of our customers primarily with rSeries and that more ramp through the next, the next five, six quarters. Your second question was about iSeries and rSeries constraints. So, right now, they both are constrained by semiconductor components, but we are shifting more of the demand to rSeries because we expect rSeries to be less constrained because it's a newer platform going into the new year, because there are less parts effectively on rSeries that have these constraints than on iSeries. So that's why we are aggressively shifting the demand to rSeries, but we're also doing some work of course on iSeries to be able to continue to meet demand in the next few quarters for customers that really need to be on that platform for a number of reasons.

[Meta Marshall, Analyst at Morgan Stanley]

Got it. So when you say calendar Q4 that's more resolution of rSeries not -- iSeries is kind of ongoing rSeries of calendar Q4.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

Yes. rSeries is calendar Q4. iSeries, we should see some improvements in also calendar Q4 in terms of supply we get there. However, going into the new calendar year, we will be continuing to shift to rSeries. So, rSeries will progressively become the majority of the -- both the demand and the revenue and shipments.

[Meta Marshall, Analyst at Morgan Stanley]

Great, thank you.

[Operator]

The next question is from Simon Leopold of Raymond James. Please ask your question.

[Victor Chiu, Analyst at Raymond James]

Hi, guys. This is Victor Chiu in for Simon Leopold. Are you guys observing trends in the public cloud adoption impacting the uptake of F5 subscription in the cloud and you know that you don't anticipate any customers prematurely moving away from systems deployments to virtual deployments because customers accelerating the shift of workloads, more workloads into the public cloud given the constraint in supply is that something that could encourage them to move in that direction.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

No, I think Victor over the long-term we will continue to see customers re-balancing their environment to these multi-cloud environment. I think our believe system, which frankly has been, I believe for the last several years is that ultimately the applications would land -- will land on the best infrastructure environment for the application and in a lot of cases that will be public cloud, in some cases that will be a private cloud, and in a lot of cases that will continue to be a traditional private data center in with hardware environment. I don't think that the current supply chain challenges will fundamentally alter that future destination and that future distribution of applications. And so -- and we also can see it from the customer behavior that we're seeing today.

I think for customers that really need capacity for their applications and can get hardware the best way, the best plan B, if you will, for that is to move to F5 software on on virtual machine. But to do that, of course, customers need to also have the servers available and those also have elongated lead times in a number of occasions. And but moving to a cloud, a public cloud is an entirely different kind of architectural consideration and it takes planning, it takes quite a bit of time. And so we don't think that the supply chain challenges are particularly accelerating a move to the public cloud, but generally we think the destination for all of our customers is multi-cloud, most of our customers are already in multi-cloud environment and and we intend to -- and we've designed our portfolio to serve them for these multi-cloud environments.

[Victor Chiu, Analyst at Raymond James]

That makes a lot sense. What about for customers that are on the fence or are in the process struggling the workloads already between on-premise and public cloud, is this not going to encourage in the loop one way or the other, especially you envision.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

I think customer who maybe for greenfield environment Victor where customer are just deploying new workloads they could go to a virtualized environment and they have either the servers in-house available or they could use F5 software in the public cloud, which many thousands of our customers do that today that would be a way to get to where they want to be faster. That's a, I would say, that's a minority of situations today, but it's a possibility for customers that are not -- that are building greenfield environment.

[Victor Chiu, Analyst at Raymond James]

That's helpful. Thank you.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Jim Suva of Citigroup. Please ask your question.

[Jim Suva, Analyst at Gitigroup]

Thank you. Could you give us a little bit of color on the operating margin trajectory and kind of the steps as far as the timing and the magnitude of those steps. You talked about several of them in your prepared comments, but how should kind of think about the timing in each of those steps. Thank you.

[Frank Pelzer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at F5]

Jim, why don't I start and then Francois has got anything to add by all means please do. So, Francois, sort of laid it out in a couple of questions ago on where we see the hardware side of the business over the next, call it, three to four to five quarters. And we think that largely the operating margin is going to ramp back up along with that shipment of hardware back to where we get to our Rule of 40. But in the immediacy of that certainly over the next couple of quarters, we're going to be below that 37 or the 27% to 28% mark that we had set and a lot of those largely due to the step down in our gross margins that are impacting as well as the less revenue coming from our systems business. And so those combinations are putting pressure on the operating margin in the near-term, but we do expect to get back to our Rule of 40 operating plan when we work our way through some of these supply chain constraints.

[Jim Suva, Analyst at Gitigroup]

Great. Thanks so much for the details.

[Frank Pelzer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at F5]

Yeah.

[Operator]

Our next question comes from the line of Rod Hall of Goldman Sachs. Please ask your question.

[Rod Hall, Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group]

Yeah, hi, guys. Thanks for the question. I just want -- I wanted to come back to the full year guide change. I'm calculating it midpoint about $91 million of reduction there. And again it's due to ongoing supply chain challenges, but then I'm curious what the duration of that changes. In other words, are you expecting most that to happen sooner here and then do you think your supply comes in better as we get to September or do you have visibility all the way to the end of this fiscal year and that encompasses this $91 million could you just kind of give us an idea on timing there. Thanks.

[Frank Pelzer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at F5]

Yeah. Rod, I'll start on that one. So, look, I think as we laid out in our models the lower point on the hardware side is likely not near-term is in Q4, Q1, as we see the continued pressures that we've experienced for the past couple of quarters continue on. I think Francois noted some of the green shoots that will be coming in calendar Q4 that will start to impact and ramp up for us in calendar Q1 of '23 and you'll start to see that improvement. But the -- on the system side, I don't think the low point is this quarter, I think the low point is more in Q4 or Q1 of '23.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

'22.

[Frank Pelzer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at F5]

Q1 of '23.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

Q1 '23, Q4 '22, yeah.

[Rod Hall, Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group]

Okay. And then I also wanted to just check in with you regarding the back on the demand side of things that do you -- are customers indicating to you that that's temporary and I also noticed your DSOs have jumped up to 59 days but I assume that's due to supply, but our people now starting to order further out or why are we seeing that jump in the DSOs. I guess two questions in there really sorry about that.

[Frank Pelzer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at F5]

Yeah. Let me start on the DSO side and then I'll let Francois pick up the first one Rod. So no changes at all. This is purely a factor of -- when we were -- a lot of leading up to this quarter had been a lot of the shipments and therefore the billing going out for that hardware earlier on in the quarter and in this quarter it was a little bit more in month three. And so just by nature of the AR balance going up that's the DSO calculation. There is nothing in terms of any dynamic to see there. It's just more of a function of that AR balance going up on things that are -- in the legitimate net 30-day window cycle. So, nothing there.

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

Yeah. And Rod in terms of customer behavior we have seen both. So some of our customers are -- who have I guess perhaps who are planning ahead and have the means to plan ahead and order ahead we started to see their behavior move to ordering well ahead to take into account the extended lead times. But at the same time we also see other customers who are pushing out and delaying orders in part to create leverage and say, hey, placed the next order once you have shipped the order that I placed a few months back. And so when we net out those two behaviors, we lend at about the same place which is demand is kind of where we expected it to be and it continues to be strong. What we are not see is lost demand due to supply chain delays and that's been the trend for the last several quarters including this last quarter.

[Rod Hall, Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group]

Great. Okay, guys. Thanks a lot for the questions. Appreciated.

[Frank Pelzer, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at F5]

Absolutely, Rod. Thank you.

[Operator]

Due to time constraints we will take our last question from Jason Ader at William Blair. Your line is open.

[Sebastian, Analyst at William Blair & Company]

Hey, this is Sebastian on for Jason. Thanks for taking the question. I just have one clarification in opening the question. So just in terms of the supply chain issues, last quarter you mentioned about $60 million in revenue being pushed out of fiscal year 2022 through the specialized networking chips. I just want to make sure those lead times haven't changed at all and that's still the expectation and it's really like the standard components and those lead times that have been pushed out further than expected and pushing revenue into fiscal year '23, is that correct?

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

So, let me just clarify that. The entire -- you're right about $60 million last quarter and were the additional down guide this quarter all of that is linked to specialty semiconductor components. Now, some of that is networking chipsets and we also have challenges with components, semiconductor components that are not specifically networking chipset, but they're more on our side and power distribution or power shaping type of components and is the combination of all of that that's causing the delays in shipments and therefore the delays in revenues.

[Sebastian, Analyst at William Blair & Company]

Got it. Okay, that's helpful. And then as a follow-up maybe more open-ended for you Francois. In terms of -- as you guys shift more of your revenue to software, subscription, managed services, is your relationship with the partner channel, the VARs, the MSPs, does that changing at all? Are you becoming less reliant on them to generate revenue or are you still sort of historical -- as you have been historically reliance on that channel to drive revenue growth?

[Francois Locoh-Donou, President, Chief Executive Officer and Director at F5]

No, we don't -- the -- our partners and distributors and resellers and our key partners and systems integrators they continue to be a really important part of our ecosystem and part of what we have wanted to do as we've moved to software is embarked them on that journey with F5 such that the transformation of F5 towards the software-centric business model can also benefit their model and a number of them actually frankly some of them were ahead of us and we're part of helping us accelerate our own transformation. But we're seeing that a number of them have embraced these new models and have found great ways to add a ton of value to our customers in a software-centric model and in fact that has contributed to our software growth over the last several quarters. So, no, we're going to continue with a partner-centric model and we're going to continue to innovate with our partners to bring great software solutions to our customers.

[Sebastian, Analyst at William Blair & Company]

Got it. Thank you. That's all I had.

[Operator]

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