Invesco Q2 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Despite the worst first-half markets in decades, Invesco’s global ETF platform delivered $4.8 B in net inflows, its active fixed income business saw $2.2 B, and the Greater China JV attracted $1.8 B.
  • Equity strategies suffered $7.7 B in net outflows—driven by $6.6 B from global and developing-markets funds—leading to the first quarterly net long-term outflow in two years of $6.8 B.
  • Second-quarter net revenue fell 10% year-over-year to $1.17 B and EPS dropped to $0.39 from $0.78, as operating income declined to $412 M and lower valuations weighed on non-operating items.
  • The firm redeemed $600 M of debt early, cutting total debt to its lowest level since 2015 at $1.7 B, lowering leverage to 0.7×, while resuming share buybacks and raising the dividend by 10%.
  • Invesco achieved $213 M in annualized cost savings—exceeding its $200 M target—and expects ongoing expense discipline and a new T&E normal to deliver at least $20 M more savings annually.
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Earnings Conference Call
Invesco Q2 2022
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There are 12 speakers on the call.

Operator

This call will last 1 hour. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. Now I'd like to turn today's meeting over to your host, Mr. Greg Ketron, Invesco's Head of Investor Relations. Sir, you may begin.

Speaker 1

Thanks, operator, and to all of you joining us on Invesco's quarterly earnings call. In addition to our press release, we have provided a presentation that covers the topics The press release and presentation are available on our website, endusco.com. This information Our presentation today will include forward looking statements and certain non GAAP financial measures. Please review the disclosures on Slide 2 of the presentation regarding these statements and measures as well as the appendix for the appropriate reconciliations to GAAP. Finally, Invesco is not responsible for and does not edit nor guarantee the accuracy of our earnings teleconference transcripts provided by 3rd parties.

Speaker 1

The only authorized webcasts are located on our website. Marty Flanagan, President and Chief Executive Officer And Alison Duke's Chief Financial Officer will present our results this morning. After we complete the presentation, we will open up the call for questions. Now I'll turn the call over to Marty.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Craig. And I'll start on Slide 3, which is the highlights of The quarter. So let me start on that page, if you don't mind. So the market environment we have experienced for the first half of this year has been one of the most challenging In decades, global equity and debt markets delivered the worst first half returns we've seen in decades as investors reacted to uncertainty Associated with rising fears, recession fears, higher inflation, interest rate hikes and geopolitical tensions Against this backdrop for the industry and despite seeing the 1st net long term outflows quarter in 2 years, Our diversified product lineup maintained net inflows in key capability areas, notably ETFs, active fixed income, Greater China, where we maintain leadership positions. Our global ETF platform generated inflows of $4,800,000,000 in the quarter, the equivalent of a 7% annualized organic growth rate.

Speaker 2

Our ETF product suite remains differentiated from competitors with a strong presence in higher revenue, higher growth segments such as smart beta, and we continue to Gain market share during the quarter. Our active fixed income business generated net inflows of $2,200,000,000 with strong flows into shorter duration strategies given the market backdrop. Our business in Greater China delivered $1,800,000,000 in net long term inflows this quarter. Growth was driven by our China joint venture, We saw strong demand for fixed income capabilities as investors sought risk off assets. As we showcased previously, Our business in China is uniquely positioned as a result of many years of investment and hard work building relationships with our clients and key stakeholders in the region.

Speaker 2

Growth in China continued despite difficult business conditions, which included COVID lockdowns in major cities. We are optimistic that the economic outlook China is beginning to improve as COVID shutdowns ease and the government takes steps to boost the economy. As markets recover, We are well positioned to capture future growth in the fastest growing market for asset managers in the world. I also wanted to highlight our business, which was in net inflows for the 11th consecutive quarters with $1,500,000,000 The channel has been a steady source of growth and we have Made tremendous progress in building the business to nearly $500,000,000,000 in assets under management. The channel is well diversified by asset class led by fixed income and alternatives as well as geography, where we have a significant presence in each of the 3 global regions.

Speaker 2

We're proud to serve a broad range of client types and our pipeline continues to be solid. Our solutions capability remains integral to the success in this channel And enable a third of our pipeline this quarter. We expect our institutional business to remain a key strength for us in the quarters ahead. Despite broad based growth and key capabilities, net outflows and equity strategies were $7,700,000,000 in this quarter and drove overall net Negative outflows. In active global equities, in particular, we experienced net outflows and investor preference for risk off trades led to higher redemptions in the quarter, Including our developing markets fund, we saw $2,600,000,000 net outflows.

Speaker 2

We look at Invesco's As I mentioned last quarter, we took advantage of the economically attractive opportunity to early redeem $600,000,000 of long term debt. As a result, total debt outstanding at the end of the second quarter is its lowest level since 2015, and our leverage profile has been steadily improving. We've increased cash return to shareholders this year via share buybacks, along with a 10% dividend We announced in April. The progress we've made on the balance sheet will allow us to take advantage of future opportunities and continue to invest in our business And increased return to shareholders over the long term. We met our target of $200,000,000 in annual cost savings from our strategic review.

Speaker 2

Our focus will now shift to ongoing expense management discipline, and we will be deliberate as a management team and continuing to scale our business platform Global Business Platform and Investment Key Areas of Growth. In this uncertain environment, clients seek an investment manager that can partner with them to meet a comprehensive range of constantly evolving needs and solve the most challenging problems. Our broad set of investment capabilities and differentiated platform we've Bill positions us well to continue to meet our client needs and compete in a dynamic market environment. Looking ahead, we will balance Managedy through near term volatility, while continuing to build a business that can compete and win over the long term. When the global industry growth resumes, we are well positioned to capture demands across a wide range of client types and investment capabilities.

Speaker 2

Challenging times truly separate great companies from the back, and we are confident that our unwavering commitment to client needs will distinguish Fesco as one of the top firms in our industry. With that, I'll turn it over to Allison. Allison?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Marty, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with Slide 4. Our investment performance continued to be solid in the 2nd quarter with 55% 60% of actively managed funds on the top half of peers or beating benchmark These results reflect continued strength in fixed income and balanced products, Areas where we continue to see demand from clients globally. Moving to Slide 5, we ended the 2nd quarter with $1,390,000,000,000 in AUM, A decrease of $166,000,000,000 from March 31 as significant market declines and FX rate changes contributed to $160,000,000,000 of the decline. As Marty mentioned earlier, we experienced our 1st net long term outflow quarter in 2 years With $6,800,000,000 in net outflows.

Speaker 3

Despite that, our business has proven resilient and our relative net flow performance in the period was among the strongest in our peer group. Our passive business continued to grow $4,500,000,000 in net long term inflows. Growth in passives was offset by $11,300,000,000 With $1,500,000,000 of net long term inflows in the 2nd quarter, the channel has been a consistent source of growth and has now been in net inflows for 11 straight We continue to see mandates fund across a diverse range of capabilities and as I'll discuss later, our pipeline remains solid. Global market volatility weighed on the retail channel this quarter, which experienced $8,300,000,000 of net outflows, primarily in the Americas and EMEA. ETFs and index strategies remain a key growth area for Invesco and were a source of relative strength in the 2nd quarter With $4,800,000,000 of net long term inflows, excluding the QQQs, Invesco captured 6.1% of industry net inflows, Significantly higher than our 3.2% share of total industry assets under management.

Speaker 3

Moving to Slide 6, We experienced a slowdown in net flows across all regions this quarter amidst exceptional market volatility. Net flows were positive in Asia Pacific, Inclusive of $2,200,000,000 of net long term inflows into our China joint venture. As we've showcased previously, we are uniquely positioned in China and expect growth to As the economy recovers and COVID restrictions ease. Consistent with industry trends, net flows flowed in the Americas and EMEA with both regions And net long term outflows for the quarter. From an asset class perspective, we saw strength in fixed income in the 2nd quarter Net long term inflows of $4,800,000,000 Drivers of fixed income flows included our China JV, stable value and several fixed income ETFs.

Speaker 3

We experienced net outflows in alternatives this quarter as net inflows in direct real estate mandates and 2 new CLOs were offset by net out In bank loans and our global targeted returns capability. Year to date, net inflows into alternatives We're $5,900,000,000 equivalent to a 6% organic growth rate. Excluding $2,500,000,000 in net outflows and global targeted returns, Organic growth in alternatives is 8% year to date. As global markets declined significantly in the quarter, we experienced $7,700,000,000 of net out We continue to see higher redemptions pressure, some of our larger equity funds, particularly in global and developing market equities, Which accounted for $6,600,000,000 of the net outflows. Moving to Slide 7.

Speaker 3

Our institutional pipeline was $24,000,000,000 at quarter end, a decrease of about $5,000,000,000 from the prior quarter due to fundings during 2nd quarter as well as normal fluctuations and the timing of client investments. Our pipeline has been running in the $25,000,000,000 to $35,000,000,000 range dating back to late 20 So this is close to the lower end of that range. While the pipeline is strong, we're seeing some delays in mandates funding due to market uncertainty And expect that the typical funding cycle may lengthen by 1 to 2 quarters. The pipeline also remains relatively The prior quarter levels in terms of fee composition with an average fee rate running between the mid-twenty and mid-thirty basis point range. Overall, the pipeline continues to be diversified across asset classes and geographies.

Speaker 3

Our solutions capability enabled 30 3% of the global institutional pipeline and created wins and customized mandates. This has contributed to meaningful growth across our institutional network. Turning to Slide 8, the significant declines in global markets over the past several months have impacted our revenue base. 2nd quarter 2022 net revenue of $1,170,000,000 was 6% lower than last quarter And 10% lower than the Q2 of 2021. Despite the volatile market backdrop, net revenue remained 13% higher than the Q2 of 2020, The last time we experienced this type of broad market decline.

Speaker 3

Money market fee waivers abated during the quarter after the Federal Reserve raised rates twice to combat inflation. The net money market fee waiver impact had declined to $12,000,000 the Q1 of this year and it was less than $4,000,000 in the Q2. Moving forward, we do not expect money market yield waivers to materially affect our revenue base. Total adjusted operating expenses of $762,000,000 were up $4,000,000 or less than 1 Due to seasonally lower payroll taxes and variable incentive pay were offset by increases in other expense categories. G and A expenses were $17,000,000 higher than the Q1 as we incurred $14,000,000 of fund related Those can be attributed to additional rent associated with the move of our Atlanta headquarters to a new development in Midtown Atlanta in early 2023.

Speaker 3

We took possession of our new building in April as we build out the space while continuing to operate from our current Atlanta office. And as a result, property and office Expense will remain $2,000,000 to $3,000,000 above the eventual run rate for the next 4 to 5 quarters. As COVID restrictions eased across North America and Europe, We saw a meaningful return of client activity and business travel, which contributed to increases in marketing and G and A expenses that I will cover on the next slide. Interacting in person again with our clients and our colleagues around the globe is integral to our success as we transition to our new normal ways of working. We remain highly focused on disciplined expense management while continuing to deliver for our clients.

Speaker 3

Moving to Slide 9. As of the end of the quarter, we have met our initial $200,000,000 savings goal from our strategic evaluation program. As compared to a normal Pre COVID run rate of expenses, we have delivered $213,000,000 of annualized savings across employee compensation, Our facilities portfolio and 3rd party spend, which includes a new a lower new normal level of travel and entertainment expense. Since the beginning of the COVID-nineteen pandemic, our travel and entertainment expense ran at significantly depressed levels as COVID mitigation measures Put into place and business travel slowed to near 0. Over the past quarter, we saw meaningful resumption of business activities restrictions eased across North America and Europe.

Speaker 3

We spent approximately $14,000,000 on travel and entertainment this quarter. If we look back to the second half of twenty nineteen, Travel and entertainment expenses averaged around $25,000,000 per quarter in that pre COVID environment. Given our new normal ways of working and various We've put in place, we do not expect to see travel revert to pre pandemic norms. We believe that our experience in the second quarter is approaching a new normal range for quarterly spending, and we to recognize at least $5,000,000 in savings per quarter or $20,000,000 annualized as compared to prior levels of activity. Moving forward, we will continue to focus on maintaining expense discipline and scaling our global business.

Speaker 3

We employ a continuous improvement mindset And we'll take full advantage of efficiencies where there are opportunities. In the Q2, we incurred $5,000,000 of restructuring costs related to this initiative. In total, we've recognized approximately $247,000,000 of our total estimated $250,000,000 to $275,000,000 in restructuring costs As a reminder, the costs associated with the strategic evaluation are not reflected in our non GAAP results. Going to Slide 10, adjusted operating income decreased $129,000,000 from the Q2 of last year to $412,000,000 As compared to 41.5 percent in the Q2 of last year. EPS was $0.39 as compared to $0.78 last Due to lower operating and non operating income.

Speaker 3

In the 2nd quarter, equity and earnings of unconsolidated affiliates Was a negative $8,000,000 as a result of unfavorable changes in CLO valuations compared to a positive $40,000,000 a year ago When valuations were increasing. Other gains and losses were negative $29,000,000 this quarter as compared to a positive $25,000,000 a year ago, Driven by lower valuations of our seed capital associated with market declines. The effective tax rate was 24.8% in the 2nd quarter. We estimate our non GAAP effective tax rate to be between 24% 25% for the Q3 of 2022. The actual effective rate may vary from Due to the impact of non recurring items on pre tax income and discrete tax items.

Speaker 3

On Slide 11, You can see how our asset base has evolved over the past 2 years. As client demand has skewed towards lower yielding passive products, We have tailored our product offerings to meet that demand and experienced significant growth in passive and money market offerings. Realizing that our business mix is shifting, we continue to be focused on aligning our expense base with these changes. While the declines in global markets pressured our margins this quarter, operating margin of 35.1% is within a normal range for where we are in the business cycle and remains above our Q2 of 2020 levels, the last time we experienced a market drawdown of this magnitude. As I mentioned earlier, We will continue to be vigilant and prudently managing expenses and would expect margins to stabilize and eventually expand as markets recover.

Speaker 3

I'll conclude with a few points on Slide 12. Our balance sheet cash position was $937,000,000 on June 30, A decrease of $396,000,000 as compared to last year. The lower cash balance was due to the $600,000,000 early debt To help facilitate the early payoff, we carried a balance of $185,000,000 on our revolving credit We expect to repay that balance in the near term and begin to build cash again over future quarters. In terms of the benefits, the early redemption resulted in a net $6,000,000 of savings with the make whole fee and other transaction related expenses being $5,000,000 in the quarter And interest expense savings of nearly $11,000,000 this year. 2nd quarter interest expense included the make whole fee and other related That totaled $5,000,000 offset by nearly $3,000,000 in interest expense savings.

Speaker 3

For the Q3, we expect interest savings of nearly $5,000,000 And for the Q4 over $3,000,000 This will result in interest expense being lower by these amounts in the Q3 and the Q4. Our leverage ratio as defined under our credit facility agreement was 0.7 times at the end of the second quarter. If preferred stock is included, it was 2.6 times. Both metrics are an improvement over 0.9 and 2.9 times from 1 year earlier As our total debt outstanding reached its lowest level since 2015 at $1,700,000,000 Overall, the progress we've made in managing our cost base and building balance sheet strength has given us a strong base from which to operate And ample flexibility to navigate the current drawdown in global markets. We're confident that by continuing to execute the strategy we have laid out across our key capability areas, Invesco will continue to grow organically over the long run and be the go to partner for our clients while delivering value to our shareholders.

Speaker 3

With that, I'm going to turn it over to the operator and we'll open up the line for Q and A.

Operator

Our first question comes from Ken Worthington with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess maybe first, gross sales slowed, which doesn't seem surprising given market conditions, But the slowdown was particularly pronounced in the Asia Pac region. And I think you commented on some equity funds, but I wasn't sure if it's that region. I was hoping you could walk through the slowdown in Asia Pac, maybe by asset class and by region there, and help us understand how Activity levels are developing in the region for the second half of the year.

Speaker 2

Let me make a comment and Alison can pick up, Kent. So we did see, obviously, a slowdown in net inflows in Mainland China as we've highlighted. But in fact, We continue with net inflows there. I would say the sentiment is turning somewhat more positive from where it was. That's still challenged.

Speaker 2

The COVID lockdowns really is a negative sentiment impact in the area, but we are having a greater confidence in the economic rebound and quite frankly the consumer response to back to investing in the region. But Allison, you want to make more specific comments?

Speaker 3

Sure. I mean, I would just say kind of looking at what drove Asia Pacific over the quarter, I mean, certainly the slowdown put Quite a bit of pressure on it, but as we break it down and kind of look at maybe the China JV in particular continues to be our growth driver inside of the region. Within the JV, we delivered $2,200,000,000 of net long term inflows. That was really driven by primarily six New product launches, which drove the majority of those net inflows. And I would say those mostly skewed towards fixed So not surprisingly more demand for fixed income than we would be seeing for equities at the moment there given, just some of the overall sentiment pressure.

Speaker 3

As we look across the region and look at Greater China, in Greater China we did see, I would say some offsetting net out Quarter as well, that was primarily driven by outflows in our GTR product, which has remained under pressure, as we've talked about over a number of quarters. And then I would say some of that was balanced by inflows in Japan, where we continue to see strong demand for fixed income products in Japan. A little bit of a, I think mixed bag in the quarter, strong demand for fixed income, which of course we're seeing in a number of places, but certainly in the China JV and in Japan.

Speaker 4

Okay, great. Thank you. And then just on the balance sheet, the way you've pitched it is From a position of strength, you've deleveraged somewhat or even meaningfully. I think the stated goal is $100,000,000,000 I'm sorry, dollars 1,000,000,000 of cash in excess of regulatory requirements, Which gives Invesco the flexibility sort of when it needs it. How flexible is the balance sheet right now?

Speaker 4

It looks like the cash is pretty small over that regulatory requirement, But you've got a huge revolver that you can tap. Given you've pursued deals in more challenging times in the past, Just walk through how you see the flexibility of the balance sheet right now for your ability to do transactions

Speaker 3

Yes. Let me take the first part of that, and then let Marty chime in as well. I would say a couple of things. 1, The stated goal you mentioned is pretty old. It's been a few years and candidly it predates my joining the company.

Speaker 3

We actually haven't had that goal in 2 years, I think I'd shift it to some of what we've been guiding to more currently, which is, we're looking to just strengthen the balance sheet overall and that's not Just through cash balances, there's obviously a cost to carrying a whole lot of cash, particularly when we have some debt to take care of at the same time. So, I think You've seen a lot of our focus and kind of cleaning up a lot of the contingent liabilities and then starting to manage some of the capital structure at the same time. So I'd guide you towards that just as you think about what are our balance sheet objectives overall and that's to really put the balance sheet in a place where it's strong, particularly in times like this. I think about how much The balance sheet is now than when we were in the last downturn a couple of years ago. And that's giving us that optionality to do a number of things This year, we did engage in $200,000,000 of share repurchases in the Q1.

Speaker 3

And then, of course, taking advantage of the opportunity to early redeem $600,000,000 in notes. And we want to stay opportunistic and give ourselves the flexibility to do the same for the next maturity, which is in January of 2024. What does that mean? So for our overall priorities, I would say our first priority is to reinvest in the business. It is Much more cost efficient to grow organically than it is to go out and acquire inorganically.

Speaker 3

That doesn't mean that there's a And our strategy from an inorganic perspective, but I think we've really demonstrated over the last couple of years that we have ample ability to invest in our business and grow our capabilities and Really thinking about some of our key growth capabilities like private markets, our fixed income platform, our ETF franchise, our China JV, all the areas where you're really seeing us demonstrate the growth pretty consistently over the last several quarters, it's because we've been creating that capacity to invest in our own business, While at the same time keeping our eyes open should there be the right opportunity. Now market conditions are certainly going to be rather choppy for that at the moment. But in terms of the opportunity we have, with the breadth of our franchise to continue to invest in it, I think we're very bullish On our own opportunity to grow the franchise we have.

Speaker 2

Allison, that was well said. I don't have anything else to add. And can I just sum it up To highlight, we're focused on reinvesting the business in the areas of growth? We continue to look to reallocate resources where we are growing. Easy to say, harder to do, but we've continued to make progress there.

Speaker 2

And we've right now, we have the greatest flexibility we've had in a good number of years. So Yes, we feel like we are in a position of strength.

Speaker 4

Great. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks, Ken.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Brennan Hawken with UBS. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Good morning, Marty. Good morning, Allison. Thanks for taking the questions. Curious, a few comments on being focused on expenses. Alison, you gave Some color on T and E normalization and sort of calibrated for what the experience has been so far.

Speaker 5

But When we think about how much flex there is in the expense side, you guys normally talk about a 30% You know, a component that's variable, but is that still the right way

Speaker 6

to think about the rest of

Speaker 5

the year? And how much are you thinking about Trying to do more given the challenging environment. And would that be more of a back half of the year event? Or would it be more like a, well, the budgeting process for 2023 starts in probably just a few months. And so it's better to focus there so as not to be disruptive to investments and try and balance the competitive dynamics.

Speaker 5

Could you maybe help us think about how you're framing that at this point?

Speaker 2

Yes. Brent, let me make a comment and Allison will also chime in. So look, we said time and time again and you followed this sector for a long, long time, it is very difficult for an asset manager to adjust expenses in the short term To follow such a drawdown in the market, quite frankly, we don't try to do that. We look at it in 2 different ways. When it's in a period of Uncertainty, which we are right now, we hit the brakes.

Speaker 2

We do all the things that you would imagine we would do, look at Things that are tactical ways to slow investing in the business, we are doing that. And then we look longer term We continue to adjust accordingly and it's largely focused on trying to find ways to reinvest In the areas that Allison talked about where we're seeing growth and so it's really a 2 pronged approach and we've done it historically quite effectively. We'll continue to do that. But Allison, will you please add to that?

Speaker 3

Yes. No, thanks Brennan for the question. I mean, I'd say a couple of things. As you think about our Overall compensation expense, about a third of that is variable. So that obviously flexes pretty quickly, with the change in revenue for the most part.

Speaker 3

Not a perfect relationship, but it's fairly quick given just the variety of incentive compensation plans that we would have driving overall incentive comp. It's much more difficult to adjust overall compensation nor would we necessarily want to. We want to be really thoughtful about positioning our expense base Not just for the short term, but the medium term as well. And I think that really underscores a lot of Marty's points. So I think probably the essence of your question is where do we go from here?

Speaker 3

I would say a couple of things. On compensation, Compensation tends to fluctuate in that 38% to 42% as a percent of revenue range. You should expect us When revenue draws down as quickly as it has and we expect it to be under pressure this year, we'd be in the higher end of that range. Underneath that we're going to be really thoughtful about making sure we're allocating resources and being very thoughtful about just hiring overall and where we position that next hire and How we really manage against the opportunities we have and what's critical versus not critical. I think that's the essence of how we manage in the short term from here.

Speaker 3

And certainly challenging quarter to have revenue under so much pressure and a return to that kind of wide open travel environment the same time, I don't think we ever would have expected those 2 events to occur in the exact same quarter, and it put an enormous pressure on the top line and the expense line at the same time. We do expect that travel normalizes from here, again, it's a new normal that I talked about earlier. And we'll be really thoughtful about travel in this environment as well. When our clients want to see us, we want to stay in front of our clients. It's as important now as ever In times of real volatility to be in front of our clients, but we can also be very thoughtful about our internal gatherings and some of the discretionary spend we have from there.

Speaker 3

So it's hard to give you exact answers on all of this, but hopefully that gives you a little bit of color as to how we're thinking about operating, and how we're managing in this environment. We do think we're managing from a position of strength, but we're going to be very thoughtful about all of our actions and decisions.

Speaker 5

Yes. Thanks for that. That's very, very thorough from both of you. Appreciate it. In the quarter, we also saw MassMutual increased their stake.

Speaker 5

Could you maybe talk about dialogue and how dialogue with them has progressed? And whether or not You can continue to explore expanding that strategic relationship to potentially Bring even more benefits beyond the obvious ownership tie up.

Speaker 2

Great question. And look, the thing to look at is they increase their ownership stake in the company. And they have great confidence in The organization, we continue to have very good strategic conversations. They're extremely wide ranging, and it's just a constant dialogue of Where can we opportunistically work together and that continues. So again, I just plan on seeing A deeper, broader relationship in the quarters months ahead in years ahead.

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, the only thing I would add is, they continue to be opportunistic I think they have a very long term view on the opportunity that's there and there's a really deep partnership that continues to grow and expand. And Yes. I think this is a mutually beneficial relationship on a lot of sides and you're seeing that as they continue to take a long term view on the overall opportunity in the common stock.

Speaker 5

Okay. Has there been any corresponding adjustment to the positioning on their platform or any shift in how you guys are ranking as far as

Speaker 3

Broker dealer in terms of AUM on their platform, I think we're the largest in terms of sub advised and DCIO mandates. We manage about $5,000,000,000 on their platform and an additional $5,000,000,000 in variable annuity and sub advised AUM. I'd say in addition to that, we've got about over $3,000,000,000 in other investment relationships with them, Which consists of their investment in our alternative strategies in terms of their co investment in our investment strategies and Some of our alternative capabilities. So I mean it's a rather broad relationship.

Speaker 2

And Ina, That's all really valuable. But I think in particular, them being an anchor tenant, co investor in our alternative capabilities is really meaningful. It's not just from the money itself, but in the investment, but really the credibility that comes as an acre tenant when we go to market and you With your background, we recognize how important that is.

Speaker 5

Yes. Great. Thanks for that color. Appreciate it.

Operator

You. Our next question comes from Mike Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Just given the Market volatility with rising rates, just curious to hear a little bit of what you're hearing from your institutional clients In terms around asset allocations, what sort of changes are you hearing your current clients thinking about contemplating just given the volatility, the rising rate backdrop, How do you see that also impacting sixtyforty, which had probably the worst quarter in many decades? So just curious How you see that evolving from here? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. Great question. I'm sure you're having endless conversations with your clients too. And I will say it's all over the map. I would say whether it was institutional or retail and these are broad comments.

Speaker 2

Largely everybody hit the brakes in the 1st part of the quarter just seeing what is going on, what's the depth of this, where is this heading. And now the conversations are moving more towards I'll speak more towards institutional investors. For us, where are the opportunities? How should we think about our asset allocation? There is an absolute focus on a movement towards Where should the asset allocation be in an inflationary environment?

Speaker 2

The conversations around duration and fixed income, Some people actually thinking less exposure to fixed income, greater exposure to things like real estate. So again, it's really, there's no single answer and it's probably as broad a conversation that I've had with clients As long as I can remember, there's no common theme of where the next step is for any one institution. That said, the good news is the breadth of our capabilities puts us in a position where we can serve Any one of the decisions that many of these institutional clients will take.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks. And just a follow-up question, if I could, just on ESG. I guess, 2 prongs here. 1, maybe you could just update us a little bit on some of your initiatives, Remind us how much in AUM and flows you guys are seeing.

Speaker 7

And then just more broadly on ESG, what sort of risk and opportunities do you see from increased ESG regulation, but also regulatory scrutiny on ESG products that we're seeing come to the industry. Thank you. Yes.

Speaker 2

Let me hit The more macro points and turn it to Allison. I will say, it's fascinating. The ESG conversation has evolved quite dramatically, I'd say, over the 6 months and it is a different conversation in different parts of the world where the EU in particular, the UK Dramatically far ahead of where the United States is and much more specific on what ESG means and how to implement ESG within the portfolios.

Operator

The good news about it is

Speaker 2

you have a road map, you know what you're doing. Obviously, here in the United States, it's a very different conversation, Client by client and from our perspective, what we've done everywhere is We don't have a top down policy when we think about ESG. It is really client driven, portfolio management driven, supported by ESG team, and that's how we have implemented it. It is harder in the United States, I'd say in particular, because The road map is not there. There is absolutely, obviously, you'd see the others a regulatory push that is coming to be much more specific on climate And ESG, I ultimately think a framework will be very, very helpful.

Speaker 2

But in this current moment, it's really quite challenging. Allison, you want to

Speaker 3

Sure. I mean, I would just say in a couple of the specifics, as of the end of June 30, we managed $77,000,000,000 An ESG AUM across over 200 funds and mandates. That's about 6 Percent of our overall AUM, so it's quite a bit lower on an absolute basis relative to where we were in the Q1, but that's Really a function of the market declines and some of the outflows. We did see about $2,400,000,000 Outflows in those in that ESG AUM and that was really driven by active retail, and in particular our GTR and some of our Quantitative Equity Strategies. So it's kind of consistent with it's really a subsection of some of the outflows we've been talking about in terms of Other categorization, beyond that, we really think about our AUM in terms of trying to move What we would consider a minimal but systematic integration of our ESG integration and we've got about 85% of our AUM currently Under this definition of minimal but systematic integration.

Speaker 3

So and our aspiration is to get all of our AUM Under the same kind of integration category and it's really thinking about our ESG approach is being defined and consistently applied Across all of from all of the portfolio managers and really ESG considerations being used consistently in the investment decisions. But again, that all is kind of under the banner of some of the macro themes that Marty gave you.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks so much. Appreciate all

Speaker 5

the color.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian Bedell with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Great. Thanks. Good morning folks. Maybe if I could just focus on some of the investment in the T and E and getting out on the road more Talking with financial advisors on the retail side, maybe if you could just, I guess, characterize the current environment. Is it Similar to what you described on the institutional side, Marty, in terms of sort of initially being frozen, but now obviously with markets down a lot, there's a lot more opportunity.

Speaker 6

And do you think getting on the road more and getting out in front of advisors that that will have a Your demonstrable positive impact on the sales growth in the retail channels, just maybe your outlook on that as we get As we move forward in the second half.

Speaker 2

Yes, look, a couple of comments. I'd say spending time with both Wealth Management Platforms, advisors and institutional clients, frankly, now in the United States and Europe, It's palpable, the different engagements obviously with clients. I think we've all said that to one another. And again, everybody on this call has been Having that same experience, there is just Zoom is wonderful, but it is just not the same. And it does advance relationships and Exchange of thoughts and opportunities.

Speaker 2

There's no question in my mind. I'm not going to tell you that it's going to drive sales straight up I just don't think you can make that correlation, but it is clearly a net positive. And it is something, as Allison We are going to be very disciplined on discretionary travel internally, although we think that's important. We can live without that. We have for the last a few years, but we are really we're just going to continue to be with our clients, as we think that's so important for the business And the relationships that we have.

Speaker 5

Yes. And that's good color.

Speaker 6

And then just a follow-up on longer term expenses. Obviously, You continue to manage expenses diligently in this environment. Any commentary about sort of structural expense saves From migration of the custody and back office, I think you're using the Alpha platform and that converts, I think over a longer timeframe, the Alpha platform at PageSpeed that is over a longer timeframe of a couple of years. Can you talk about what how that might is that material to impacting the cost base When that migration occurs or is that more futuristic?

Speaker 2

So It is an important undertaking for us and it's probably 2 to 3 years out. We are at the stage of starting to the Sort of rolling implementation, it is very broad, it's very deep, it's quite complex as you would imagine because it is really a total step back on Our operating platform and we think it's really meaningful and important for the future of the organization, what we're trying to do with data and No different than, again, every organization on this phone. There are other areas, again, Alison I spoke to, we are looking very hard within the organization. It is sort of a muscle that we are have been developing over the last few years that is getting stronger and stronger of Challenging ourselves where the dollar is spent and is that the right spot for the dollar or should it be Reallocate it towards growth and driving operating income. Allison hit the areas, you know the areas, whether it be China ETFs, etcetera, private markets.

Speaker 2

That said, there will be times where in that process we'll say the best place for this dollar to go is to the bottom line. So we are pulling on all of And we just constantly do it. The downturn in our market doesn't make us wake up and think we should do it. It's just core to what we do. And I think, Again, as we continue to point out over the last couple of years, you can see with the movement in the effective fee rate and our ability to Maintain margins is something we keep pointing to.

Speaker 2

Again, in this downturn, protecting margins is a much More difficult thing to do, and I would just reiterate the point that Allison had said earlier, markets will return. And in that period, you'll see the expansion of our margin again, while in fact, we continue to invest in the future or make the decision to have that next dollar drop to the bottom line.

Operator

Okay. I have a follow-up, but I'll

Speaker 5

get back into the queue. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 8

Thanks, Brian.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Glenn Schorr with Evercore. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Hi, thanks very much. So I guess I want to pull out a little more from you in terms of your thoughts on clients. You both mentioned Lower gross sales, but kind of flat redemptions, which in a way in a market downturn is reasonable. So A, you have a growing ETF franchise. Do you think as people come back as markets settle eventually, Do people come back via the ETF over single stocks and mutual funds in your mind?

Speaker 8

What have you seen in the past? And then which inflation protected products And higher interest rate position products do you think might see some of that shifting money? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. A couple of comments. So first of all, what I'd say, it's hard To predict the future in this immediate moment, but again, that's what we're all meant to be doing. The ETF So in wealth management platforms, the ETF is obviously a vehicle of choice. The mutual fund still has a place.

Speaker 2

It doesn't have the same Focus right now that SMAs and ETFs has, but in fact, it's an important part of it. We do see, Mia believe, that, that vehicle will continue to be a part of the answer going forward. That said, what really matters The investment capability that's within each of the vehicles, we look at that as the primary driver. As you move to what are the areas of asset classes that We'll be more interesting in this environment. Bank loans will continue to be you're going to continue to see the commodity suite Within our organization, the active repasses continue to be an area of focus.

Speaker 2

Real estate is another area of focus for the organization. So there are a number of areas that, Again, clients are turning to and you've seen that over the prior year or so. And Quite frankly, there is greater conversations on retail platforms of a movement back towards focus on value suites of equities, which Needless to say, that has not been an area of focus over the last period of time. Allison, anything you would add to that?

Speaker 3

No, I actually I think you covered it.

Speaker 8

Cool. Maybe just one other thought process on product preference. You have a growing private markets business even in this backdrop. I'm curious just big picture thoughts on Performance, client interest flows, opportunities and as a comparison to all your other public market oriented vehicles. Thanks.

Speaker 8

Appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Again, hard to totally compare and contrast. But look, we've all seen The growth in private markets over the last decade, it continues to be an area of focus for us Yes. Where we have areas of strength, it continues to be an area of growth and accelerating growth, and we are turning our attention to continuing to organically drive that growth and it is a part of any conversation that we're having with our institutional clients in particular. And now the wealth management platform is looking for ways to find exposure to alternative capabilities for us. The most prominent one that is Coming down the path right now is INREIT here in the United States on the wealth management platform.

Speaker 2

And quite frankly, it's been quite successful outside of the United States Through a joint venture we've done with UBS. So again, it continues to be an area of focus for us, a continued area of growth as we look at look forward to the quarters ahead.

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, I'd just I'd add to that. I think, we continue to see really strong originations overall And flows into our private market capability, particularly into our direct real estate business of late. You've got kind of a confluence of factors and events happening there as there's perhaps a shift and some preference for some real assets in environment, at the same time, you're starting to see given the downturn in the equity markets, From an allocation perspective, you've got maybe perhaps some overexposure to real assets at the moment to real estate at the moment relative The benchmarks and so that's going to take some time to normalize out. But despite that, we continue to see very strong growth in overall client Commitments to direct real estate, in the first half of the year, and obviously very strong interest primarily from, our But as Marty noted with the growth that we have in some retail focused strategies, we're starting to see some positive signs there.

Speaker 3

We've got quite a bit of dry powder in our business, and that's really the capital we have from That has not yet been deployed in terms of direct mandates. And that's really kind of captured in that one not Under pipeline on the institutional side and the growing allocation we have there to alternatives really does Point to the growth in the direct real estate business. So I mean, I think overall, that we're very cautiously optimistic That we could continue to see good growth there. And I'd say on the senior loan side, at some point, there will be some desire as credit Spreads start to widen for exposure there, right? At the moment, it's been really managing the interest rate exposure, but there will be credit risk exposure Clients are going to be seeking and that's going to bode well for our platform also.

Speaker 8

Okay. Thanks, Allison. Thanks, Marty.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Glenn.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Dan Fannon with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to talk about performance and looking as you look at your active franchise and There are products or categories that you see that are performing well that have the potential to grow at a faster pace As the market becomes more stable or the gross sales environment improves, looking at your U. S. Value, it looks like the 1 year number has gotten a lot better.

Speaker 9

I don't know, as you just kind of think about it, as you look at all the various products, anything that stands out that has the potential to really to potentially improve in any way?

Speaker 2

Good question. So if you look a few comments. If you look at the fixed income suite of products continue to be strong and Demand continues to be there. Obviously, it's shorter duration fixed income at the moment and you wouldn't be surprised as to the market environment that we're in. You also highlighted, if you look at the U.

Speaker 2

S. Value franchise, the performance has improved quite dramatically. That has been an area of Out of favor from a demand point of view, from an industry not unique to us, but from an industry perspective. Quite frankly, I have been in any number of conversations over the last number of months where there's conversation of people turning to U. S.

Speaker 2

Value As an asset class and if we if you ask me that question 12, 24 months ago, that just was not on the horizon. The other area that's really important to us is the global equity franchise emerging markets in particular and the performance is Challenged at the moment. That said, I think it's some of the most, just as by arguably the most talented emerging markets manager In the business and his shorter term performance is improving quite strongly and That's going to be an asset class. Even though it's out of favor right now, it's going to produce spectacular results for clients and no doubt Return to net inflows in the quarters ahead.

Speaker 9

Got it. And then just Question on China and the backlog or the outlook for new funds. I think the stats around 6 new funds with just under $2,000,000,000 inflows in the 2nd quarter, how do you think that's tracking for the back half of the year?

Speaker 3

Hard to say exactly. I mean, I would say, overall, Let me compare it. Maybe second half of twenty twenty two may not look all that different from the second half of twenty twenty one sorry, first half of 22. Let me say that again and make sure that's clear. Second half of twenty twenty two may not look that different from the first half of twenty twenty two in terms of new product launches in China.

Speaker 3

I do think it's highly dependent on, just where they go with COVID measures, and So really how the government thinks about the economy there, and some of the growth they may be stimulating. So we're going to be watching that very carefully and we're going to be positioning product very Carefully against that. Relative to 2021, it's certainly lower and different. In terms of our new product launches last year, you would Seeing more balanced and equity focused products, what you've seen so far this year is a little more fixed income focused, which makes sense just given where sentiment And client preference is at the moment. So I'm not sure if that's helpful.

Speaker 3

It's hard to say, given the measures that are continuing to evolve there, but that's Generally, how we're thinking about it and what we'll be watching for.

Speaker 2

And Dan, here's how I think about it and you're asking the right question. So Where we believe China is sort of the economic cycle, it's looking towards a rebound. So they're ahead of the United States and Europe. There is a lot of focus on the leadership to stimulate the economy for all the reasons So I look at those as 2 powerful forces of reason to be optimistic. The one to be cautious about is just what Alice has said.

Speaker 2

It is still a very Challenge lockdown COVID environment, although they are easing. And so if it let's say, if you sort of model through in COVID and you have those other two factors Holding true, we continue to look at China as being a contributor and a growing contributor again. Timeframes are hard

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Patrick Davitt with Autonomous Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Good morning. Thanks. So the active bond inflows, I think, were pretty notable relative to what we're seeing in the industry, right, where the active bond flows Look like it's going to be one of the worst quarters ever. I saw the comment about short duration in the deck, but it still seems like a pretty dramatic departure from what the industry saw. So anything else you could point to about your mix strategies and or how you distribute these products that you think caused such a dramatic positive break with what the

Speaker 2

You're right. From an industry perspective, the results are very, very strong. And it really is just a reflection of the depth, breadth and capabilities of the team and the way that they've gained confidence within the channels. I don't know that I would highlight anything other more specific than that, but a recognition of the talent and how we are interfacing with our clients. So again, it's wonderful to see when you're relatively outperforming what is a very challenging market environment.

Speaker 3

Only thing I'd add to that is China. China definitely helped drive some of the strength in fixed income as well. And I think that points to just again the underlying strength we have And our positioning in China.

Speaker 2

Thanks. That's all I have.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Patrick.

Speaker 1

Operator, we have time for one more question.

Operator

Sure. And our last question comes from Alex Blostein With Goldman Sachs, your line is open.

Speaker 11

Good morning. This is actually Ryan Bailey on behalf of Alex.

Speaker 8

The first question I was

Speaker 11

going to ask was around the net revenue yields, Some of the market headwinds, particularly FX, I think got worse later in 2Q. So can

Speaker 8

you give us a sense

Speaker 11

of what the exit rate was for the net revenue yield versus what was reported for 2Q?

Speaker 3

We really net revenue yield really is a function of overall averages. It's average AUMs. There's really not an exit rate in it. If you think about what was driving net revenue yield inside of the quarter, I mean, it is almost entirely By the declining equity markets and then secondarily, but also very importantly, the continued growing asset mix shift that we're experiencing Towards our passive products, you had some positive offsets in that just in terms of the abatement of money market waivers and an extra day in the quarter, but Net revenue yield really is pretty simply explained by the overall declining equity markets and the pressure We experienced that along with the mix shift in our AUM. In terms of exit rate and how you should think about it for the future quarters, I would say We would expect to continue to see demand for our passive capabilities, and we expect to continue to see pressure on our Equity, AUM, just given the exit rates in terms of the market impact on the quarter.

Speaker 3

And so I would expect to see net revenue yield continue to grind a little bit tighter in the quarter, but I'll just Remind everybody that we really focus on both revenue net revenue yields just an output, it's not an input and it doesn't Reflect changes in the fee rates, it's really just the mix shift and the overall market impact. We continue to focus on revenue, stabilizing it for now, growing it, And really managing our expense base against that and for the business profile, not just that we have today, but that we expect to Continue to evolve and shift to in the coming years.

Speaker 11

Got it. And maybe just to hit on that last comment around expenses. I think you mentioned that you expect the margin to eventually stabilize and then expand as markets return, and that 35% was kind of the right Place to be in for the business cycle. I guess just as we think through the dynamics for the next quarter, the challenging market for 2Q, The set of things that maybe we slipped a little bit below, where we were for 2Q as we enter next quarter?

Speaker 3

I do think that when you think about where asset levels were at June 30 and just the entry point into the quarter with asset levels, you I certainly expect that net revenue, will continue to be under pressure in the quarter. And so, while we are hyper focused on expenses, as you've heard us talk about, You can expect what's the overall impact of that in terms of operating margin. Look, if we continue to see equity markets under this kind of pressure throughout Quarter, it will be difficult, but I think it's reasonable to expect operating margin is going to be maybe at or slightly below where it was in the second quarter. Lots of moving parts, and the market being the biggest driver in that, but we're going to continue to stay focused on managing what we can commit what we can manage And controlling what we can control. And I think we're wrapping up here, but I'll just close with, we are operating From a position of strength there, we do have expense discipline measures in place, that give us the opportunity to be very thoughtful about the margin from here.

Speaker 3

And our balance sheet is in a strong place, And we have the opportunity to be opportunistic and to continue and invest in our business. And that's most important because these markets will Stabilize, and I think we're really well positioned in terms of our key capabilities and supporting our clients, and growing with them from here.

Speaker 11

Thank you for all the color.

Speaker 2

Well, let me just say thank you for your time. Thank you for your questions And look forward to being in touch with everybody over the next months before we visit once again next quarter.

Speaker 9

Thank you.

Speaker 4

Thank you.

Operator

And that concludes today's conference. You may all disconnect at this

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