WestRock Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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February 1, 2023

There are 14 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the WestRock First Fiscal Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Rob Quartaro, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go

Speaker 1

ahead. Good morning and thank you for joining our 1st fiscal quarter 2023 earnings call. We issued our press release this morning and posted the accompanying presentation to the Investor Relations section of our website. They can be accessed at ir.westrock.com or via a link on the application you're using to view this webcast. With me on today's call are WestRock's Chief Executive Officer, David Sewell and our Chief Financial Officer, Alex Pease.

Speaker 1

Following our prepared comments, we will open the call for a question and answer session. During today's call, we will be making forward looking statements Involving our plans, expectations, projections, estimates and beliefs related to future events. These statements involve a number of assumptions, risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those we discuss during the call. We describe these assumptions, risks and uncertainties in our filings with the SEC, including our 10 ks for fiscal year ended September 30, 2022. We will also be referencing non GAAP financial measures during the call.

Speaker 1

We have provided reconciliations of these non GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in the appendix of the slide presentation. As mentioned previously, the slide presentation is available on our website. With that, I'll now turn it over to you, David.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Rob, And thank you all for joining our earnings call today. This morning, I'll provide an overview of our fiscal Q1 results, followed by a review of our strategy and progress on our transformation. Then I'll turn it over to Alex, who will review our segment performance in more detail, review our adjusted free cash flow and provide our outlook for the fiscal Q2. We will then move to Q and A. Turning to our Q1 results on Slide 3.

Speaker 2

Net sales were comparable to prior year at $4,900,000,000 And consolidated adjusted EBITDA declined 4% to $652,000,000 Adjusted EPS was $0.55 A decrease of 15% compared to the prior year quarter and the company generated $30,000,000 of adjusted free cash flow. It's important to note that consolidated adjusted EBITDA was negatively impacted by $119,000,000 due to economic downtime and weather disruptions. Pension and foreign exchange rates also negatively impacted our year over year Consolidated adjusted EBITDA growth by $57,000,000 combined. As we anticipated, the first quarter Operating environments are continued inventory rebalancing, elevated inflation and shifting consumer spending. These trends primarily impacted external containerboard demand as well as our Corrugated Packaging segment.

Speaker 2

However, Corrugated Packaging improved quarter over quarter with North American packaging shipments up 2% to 373,000,000 square feet per day. We continue to balance our supply with our customers' demand and we incurred 356,000 tons of economic downtime during the quarter. Our Consumer Packaging business and external paperboard continue to see consistent demand supported by exposure to several resilient end markets In adoption of our plastics replacement solutions, during the quarter, our consumer business was negatively impacted by weather disruptions And other items in several of our mills. However, we continue to see healthy demand and backlogs. The resiliency of our consumer business Illustrates the benefit of our diversified business model and differentiates us in the market.

Speaker 2

Longer term, it Also positions us well to capture more share of wallet as we are the only paper and packaging company able to offer a full range of packaging solutions, including machinery and automation. Corrugated Packaging adjusted EBITDA margins, excluding trade sales, We're 14.2%, an increase of 70 basis points. Consumer Packaging adjusted EBITDA margins were 15.1%, An increase of 20 basis points. Both corrugated and consumer margins benefited from strong year over year pricing. We are continuing to implement previously published price increases in our consumer business, which should continue for several more months.

Speaker 2

Global Paper Margins declined 320 basis points to 14% as inventory rebalancing and softer demand Pressured results. Distribution adjusted EBITDA margins increased 140 basis points to 3.4%, primarily driven by favorable selling price and mix. We ended the quarter with net leverage of 2.35 times, slightly above our targeted range of 1.75x to 2.25x. We intend to use proceeds from the expected sale of our stake in RTS And our Chattanooga mill as well as our free cash flow to return leverage to our targeted range over time. We remain focused on executing our transformation and striving toward the goals we outlined in our Investor Day last May, Recognizing the uncertain macroeconomic environment, we see significant opportunity to drive productivity, increase our margins and improve our return on invested capital.

Speaker 2

We will continue to leverage our robust cash flow to invest in growth, manage our leverage and return capital to shareholders. Before moving to an update on our transformation initiatives, I'd like to highlight that for the 3rd consecutive year, WestRock was included in the Dow Jones Sustainability North America Index in recognition of our commitment to sustainable business practices. The index recognizes the top 20% of sustainability performance Among the 600 largest U. S. And Canadian companies.

Speaker 2

Sustainability is core to what we do at WestRock, and we're proud to be recognized for our efforts. And I'd like to thank our 58,000 team members for living our values in everything they do. Turning to Slide 4. Last May, we communicated the 4 key pillars of our transformation strategy, And we continue to make progress in each of these areas. 1st, leveraging the power of 1 WestRock.

Speaker 2

Given WestRock's broad capabilities and scale, we are uniquely positioned to deliver value to our customers and serve their packaging needs. An ongoing example of this is our relationship with Molson Coors. Through our partnership, Molson Coors is replacing their use of plastic rings With our Cluster Pak Packaging and Automation solution, Molson Coors estimates this solution will eliminate Over £1,700,000 of plastic waste annually by 2025. The complementary relationship Our machinery business and packaging serves our customers well, creates deeper relationships and drives organic growth. We now have over 5,100 machines in our installed base and it continues to grow.

Speaker 2

We see strong demand for our machinery solutions with backlogs of 12 months as of the end of the quarter. Our next pillar is innovating with a focus on sustainability and growth. We are investing in innovative solutions to help our customers meet their sustainability targets and displace plastic packaging

Speaker 3

With more

Speaker 2

than 225 innovation projects in development, more than 30 of those projects are related to plastics replacements. Our plastics replacement revenue continues to grow and is currently estimated at a $365,000,000 run rate, and we are targeting increasing that to more than $700,000,000 in run rate revenue by fiscal 2025. Our 3rd pillar Is relentless focus on margin improvement and increasing efficiency. We are executing on our productivity initiatives and we are on track to achieve $250,000,000 in cost savings in fiscal 2023. These initiatives Our driving savings through logistics and planning optimization, centralized procurement, SG and A reductions and efficiencies in our mill and converting network.

Speaker 2

We continue to see significant cost saving opportunities beyond fiscal 2023, and we remain focused on unlocking these savings to expand our margins. And finally, executing disciplined capital allocation. We remain focused on using our cash flow to drive value through our disciplined capital deployment strategy. Last year, we invested more than $860,000,000 to maintain and improve our assets. We've increased our dividend over 37% in the last 7 quarters, while also repurchasing more than $700,000,000 of our stock.

Speaker 2

We are also continuing to refine our portfolio to focus on the most attractive markets, reduce volatility and improve our return on invested capital. Last year, we permanently shut capacity in higher cost facilities in Panama City and St. Paul, enabling us to redirect significant capital investment toward better use in other assets. In December, we closed on the sale of 2 non core URB mills and we continue to work toward closing on the sale of our stake in RTS And our Chattanooga mill, which remains subject to regulatory approval. We also recently completed Grupo Gandhi acquisition, which complements our North American footprint and increases our exposure to the attractive Latin America market.

Speaker 2

The IMF projects the strategically important market will grow more than 50% faster than the United States, driven by economic growth And export product expansion in produce, protein and industrial goods. In addition to attractive financial returns, Grupo Gandhi's high quality assets bring us closer to many of our large multinational customers operating in the region. Grupo Gandhi is already contributing to our growth with adjusted EBITDA of $17,000,000 since the acquisition closed in December And its full year results were in line with expectations. The results for Grupo Gandhi are included in other unallocated this quarter Given the timing of the closing and we are near finalizing how we will report it longer term. I'll now turn it over to Alex to discuss our segment results in more detail.

Speaker 4

Thanks, David. Moving to our consolidated quarterly results on Slide 5, the first quarter net sales were roughly flat year over year at $4,900,000,000 and consolidated adjusted EBITDA declined 4% to $652,000,000 Consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin was 13.2%, down 50 basis points year over year. Price and mix positively contributed approximately $454,000,000 year over year. This benefit was offset by cost inflation, Note, consolidated adjusted EBITDA was negatively impacted by $119,000,000 due to economic downtime and weather disruptions, which impacted our volumes and operating costs. Pension and foreign Change rates also negatively impacted our year over year consolidated adjusted EBITDA growth by $57,000,000 combined.

Speaker 4

Turning to Slide 6. Corrugated Packaging segment sales excluding trade sales were $2,200,000,000 An increase of $26,000,000 or 1% year over year. Adjusted EBITDA increased $20,000,000 or 7%. Adjusted EBITDA margin, excluding trade sales, increased 70 basis points year over year to 14.2%. As David mentioned, we saw 2% improvement quarter over quarter with per shipping day volumes of 373,000,000 square feet.

Speaker 4

Strong pricing and mix contributed $206,000,000 largely offset by $79,000,000 of inflation, $58,000,000 from lower volumes and $39,000,000 from higher operating costs. Results were negatively impacted by $60,000,000 due to economic downtime and weather disruptions during the quarter. We are managing our business for current conditions and will continue to balance our production with Turning to the Consumer Packaging business on Slide 7. Segment sales increased 70 $6,000,000 or 7 percent year over year to $1,200,000,000 Adjusted EBITDA increased $14,000,000 or 8% And adjusted EBITDA margin was 15.1%, an increase of 20 basis points year over year. Strong price and mix contributed $132,000,000 partially offset by inflation of $54,000,000 and higher operating costs of $34,000,000 Consumer Packaging demand remains strong and backlogs are healthy.

Speaker 4

This diversification from our consumer business Reduces earnings volatility and provides attractive long term growth opportunities. Turning to Slide 8. Global Paper segment sales decreased $229,000,000 or 17% year over year to $1,100,000,000 Adjusted EBITDA declined 32 percent to $157,000,000 with adjusted EBITDA margin declining 3 20 basis points to 14%. While adjusted EBITDA declined year over year, it was 4% above the Q1 of fiscal year 2021. Strong price and mix contributed $115,000,000 more than offset by volume of $114,000,000 and inflation of $48,000,000 Note that adjusted EBITDA was negatively impacted by $56,000,000 due to economic downtime and weather disruptions.

Speaker 4

We saw weaker demand for containerboard and more resilient demand for paperboard during the quarter. Export containerboard declined 65%, While domestic containerboard declined 33%. In the current environment, we are continuing to prioritize margin over volume in our Global Paper segment. Longer term, demand for our external containerboard business should benefit from the limited supply of virgin fiber globally. I'd like to mention that we will face a difficult year over year comparison in the Q2 as Global Paper revenue increased 36% year over year in the Q2 of fiscal 2022.

Speaker 4

Next, our distribution results are on Slide 9. Segment sales decreased 1% year over year to $322,000,000 and adjusted EBITDA increased 66% year over year. Strong price and mix contributed $20,000,000 partially offset by inflation of $13,000,000 and volume of $3,000,000 In the quarter, favorable selling price and mix contributed to the 140 basis points of margin expansion. Looking to the Q2, our distribution business also faces a difficult year over year comparison as distribution revenue increased almost 30% year over in the Q2 of fiscal 2022. Turning to Slide 10.

Speaker 4

During the quarter, we generated $30,000,000 in adjusted free cash flow, down $54,000,000 year over year driven by higher capital expenditures. We expect fiscal year 2023 adjusted free cash flow to be above $1,000,000,000 for the making this the 8th straight year of adjusted free cash flow above $1,000,000,000 We ended the quarter with net leverage of 2.35 times. Looking ahead, we're focused on returning that leverage to our targeted range of 1.75 times to 2.25 times. Turning to Slide 11 and our other financial guidance. We remain confident in the long term trajectory of our business.

Speaker 4

WestRock's diverse portfolio Sustainable fiber based packaging and complementary machinery uniquely position us to serve our customers. We are focused on serving our customers and growing our business through cross 1, leveraging our scale to capture cost savings in procurement 2, optimizing our logistics and planning 3, Driving productivity in our mills and converting network and 4th, streamlining our back office operations. That said, we're not immune from macroeconomic conditions, which have created uncertainty in the near term. As such, we're removing our full year guidance. Our forecast for Q2 consolidated adjusted EBITDA $625,000,000 to $725,000,000 and adjusted earnings per share is between $0.31 $0.61 Some assumptions behind our sequential outlook include the following: favorable costs driven by natural gas down approximately 20% to $5 per MMBtu OCC costs stable at $35 per ton and stable costs in virgin fiber, chemicals and freight An effective tax rate between 23% 26% and approximately 257,000,000 diluted shares outstanding.

Speaker 4

We are planning 132,000 tons of scheduled maintenance downtime across our system in the Q2. I'll now turn it over to David to conclude before we move to Q and A. David?

Speaker 2

Thanks, Alex. While the current environment remains dynamic, WestRock's diversified business model and financial strength positions us very well. Our ability to provide corrugated Packaging, consumer packaging and complementary machinery solutions differentiates us in the market and uniquely positions us to deliver a complete range of sustainable packaging solutions. In addition, our distribution business Provides an additional channel for our products and allows us to serve a broader customer base. Our strong balance sheet and robust cash Flow engine enables us to invest in our business and execute our transformation agenda in the midst of changing market conditions.

Speaker 2

We remain excited about the future and we look forward to providing you updates on our progress. Thank you. And Rob, with that, let's move to Q and A.

Speaker 1

Thank you, David. Operator, we are ready to take questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Kyle White from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I guess I just wanted to touch on the guidance and the full year outlook and the decision to remove it. I guess where is the most uncertainty That you're seeing and kind of the rationale for this decision, is it on demand in corrugated and implication on pricing or are you seeing a similar level of uncertainty in

Speaker 6

Yes. Thanks, Kyle. This is David. And we really wanted to be very transparent With the economy and where it's at. So to answer your question, our packaging business in both consumer and corrugated Came in fully in line with our expectations in Q1.

Speaker 6

We have full confidence in our packaging business, both corrugated and consumer in our full year Forecast. So even despite the soft macroeconomic conditions in packaging, our sales, our EBITDA and our margins were all up in Q1. Where we see the biggest headwind is in our global paper business. Our customers really Experience much higher inventory levels in the last quarter with a much softer demand environment than they even expected. And that was particularly true in the export market.

Speaker 6

There was no lost business. Our relationships are extremely strong. It was just an uneven global macroeconomic environment. So as we look at the full year, the visibility, It was just difficult for us to ascertain purely in Global Paper in this environment. Our customers We're definitely expecting more normalization in the second half of the year, and we do expect sequential and steady improvement.

Speaker 6

We're focused on what we can control and manage with our cost and productivity. We're confident that we'll get back to normalization. It's just It's probably going to take a little bit longer than we anticipated and our customers anticipated. And so we felt the best thing to do was to provide a quarterly forecast So we get back to more confidence in the global environment. And just as a reminder, Kyle, Our Global Paper had an incredible year in 2022.

Speaker 6

Sales were up 20% almost, EBITDA was up 40%. And going back to 2021, we're still up 3%. So we see the paper business in its cyclical downturn. We have a tremendous leadership team that's actively managing through it. We've all measured these turns very well in the past and I'm

Speaker 5

Are you able to give us a sense of how shipments have trended here in January for both the corrugated as well as the consumer business or maybe what the outlook Assumes forward demand?

Speaker 6

Yes. So Kyle, we've definitely seen corrugated stable From Q1 into Q2, year over year it's actually slight uptick. So we feel good about where that's going. And consumer It's truly a resilient business, very strong through this cyclical environment. January is off to a really good start.

Speaker 6

One comment I'd make on consumer, we did have weather impact at 7 R Mills in December. So that did impact us a little bit, but the business is strong and resilient. I'd also Say on the paperboard side of Global Paper, it's been resilient as well. So really when you look at our Full year forecast and where we're at, it's really just the uncertainty around the global paper business, particularly in the export market.

Speaker 5

Sounds good. I'll turn it over. Thank you.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Kyle.

Operator

Our next question comes from Mark Weintraub from Seaport. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thank you. Dave, just a Quick clarification. So you mentioned Cargett had a slight uptick year over year. I assume that does that mean That the year over year comparisons are looking a little bit better, I. E.

Speaker 7

It's still down, but not quite as down as opposed to actually seeing an uptick?

Speaker 6

Yes, Mark, sorry if I wasn't clear. So if we look at how we exited Q1 year over year, we're seeing a slight uptick over Q2 year over year, But we do still see the volume down.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you. So I mean and also just on the Global Paper that we I assume that's pretty much Containerboard,

Speaker 8

is that fair

Speaker 7

to say as opposed to the consumer packaging grades?

Speaker 6

That is correct. Our paperboard sales We're actually up sales wise year over year.

Speaker 7

And can you share with us at this point What percentage of your maybe in the prior quarter, what percentage of your containerboard production was going into the export market?

Speaker 6

So if you look at in typical environment, it's usually about In containerboard, it's about 75% domestic, 25% export. And then we just saw The dramatic softness, more on the export side. And again, just to reiterate, it wasn't lost business. It wasn't anything other than It was a really tight market in 2022, as you know. A lot of our global export customers were Getting as much inventory as they could with the tight market.

Speaker 6

They saw a lot of softness last quarter with their customer base, so they were just Had over inventory and when you compare our containerboard customers to our corrugated customers, I would say we're pretty much toward the end of inventory rebalancing on that side of the business, but in our Containerboard business, they're a little further behind. So that's just where we wanted to get a little bit better visibility in the full year. Okay.

Speaker 7

And then just lastly, you, Alex, I think mentioned kind of number of actions that you were looking at to improve on cost One thing I didn't hear was anything, any additional potential action on the footprint. Are you at this point Satisfied with the footprint or might it make sense to be looking at additional footprint actions?

Speaker 6

Yes. So consistent to what we said back at Investor Day And our actions in 2022, we are going to be continuing to optimize our footprint. As you know, we took action last year with the closure of St. Paul in Panama City, the sale and divestiture of our Sure of our URB Mills and RTS stake. And so we do want to continue to Improve our vertical integration, we'll continue to optimize our footprint, especially where we maximize our CapEx for returns, And we'll continue to do that.

Speaker 6

But again, this is a cyclical business. We think we're kind of Near or at the bottom of the trough, so we think the upside and everything our customers are telling us for this as we get through the year, it's going to continue to improve. So We'll balance all of that and our supply with our customers' demand.

Speaker 9

Great. Appreciate the details. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from George Staphos from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hi, everyone. Good morning. Can you hear me okay?

Speaker 6

Yes. Good morning, George.

Speaker 10

Thanks for all the details and the commentary. So I guess the first question I had for you, one of the things we noted In the slide, it looks like your maintenance downtime schedule, the tonnage that you have out is lower in the 3rd quarter Then you previously had been guiding to correct me if I'm wrong in that regard, but if there is a change that's worth noting, what's going on there relative to your And what's the impact in terms of earnings?

Speaker 6

Yes. George, there's no material change in our scheduled maintenance downtime. I believe in Q3, we have 127,000 tons, which I believe is consistent with where we've been. But if that's different, we'll look into it and give you a note.

Speaker 10

I think you're at 165 in the last slide, so I was Just checking if there's anything notable there. That's all.

Speaker 11

No. We're are anticipating about 130,000 tons as David mentioned, and that's sort of in line with our normal maintenance schedule. You'll know that Sort of the end of the calendar year tends to be our and first of the calendar year tends to be our heavy maintenance periods, And that's consistent with the way we've always done it.

Speaker 6

We can follow-up though if there is any difference.

Speaker 10

Fair enough. Second question, kind of a 2 parter. Can you talk you said backlogs are good. I don't know if you specified a number, if you did apologies, but Could you tell us what the backlogs look like in consumer across the grade? And can you give us an update?

Speaker 10

You used to provide The enterprise sales metric where the number of customers or amount of revenue that's being generated by customers buying $1,000,000 Both consumer and corrugated packaging from WestRock look like. Can you give us some here's where we are, here's where we've been on that Discussion points of backlogs and enterprise sales? Sure.

Speaker 6

I would tell you, George, first off on the consumer side, our backlogs are consistent with what they We've been in 2022 as we head into Q2. So that's why we feel it's a very resilient business. We feel good about where we're at with our both our consumer business as well as our paperboard business. And on the enterprise piece, I appreciate you asking that. We feel great about it.

Speaker 6

We are still tracking over $8,000,000,000 in sales of customers that buy We're a $1,000,000 in consumer and corrugated. And what's been really encouraging is The dialogue we're having with customers now that we have Gandhi, many of those customers, particularly in beverage and some industrial customers Have large operations in Mexico, and so we're having really good dialogue both on the corrugated and consumer side. So we real this just really emphasizes the importance of that Gandhi acquisition.

Speaker 10

Okay. Last question, I guess, Do you have any kind of growth, sort of a delta, the enterprise sales or number of customers, something like that, that would show the progress that you're getting from that versus, say, last 2 years ago. And then my last one, would it be fair to say that not getting into forward looking pricing, but the price change that we have seen In Containerboard, we'll likely see most of that impact in WestRock's results in fiscal 2Q and fiscal 3Q and if give us a cadence. Thanks guys and good luck in the quarter.

Speaker 6

Yes, sure. So to start with your question on pricing, obviously we Don't forecast what we believe pricing is going to do. But with the pricing that has been announced, if you look at our corrugated business, About 65% right now contracts are tied to resi pricing And the contract implementation is typically about 3 to 6 months. So if you back out When those increases were announced and you add about 3 to 6 months, you'll see that 65% plus of our, corrugated customers. You do see that pricing much more immediate in our global paper sales.

Speaker 6

Conversely, last year as you saw that we got price increase very quickly on paper and there was the delay About 3 to 6 months on the corrugated side.

Operator

Our next question comes from Phil Ng from Jefferies. Please go ahead. Our next question comes from Clive Ruppert from UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.

Speaker 8

Just I want to start kind

Speaker 12

of on a big picture question. And then just sort of following up on the Investor Day and We've talked about before. Can you remind us how you're thinking about margins in really in the consumer and the corrugated segment? As I recall, we're targeting about 20 percent EBITDA margin in both of those, but can you give us an update on kind of what the margin targets are and maybe on the timing where we

Speaker 6

Yes, sure. So if you go back to our Investor Day, we targeted greater than 19% margins overall for the company. And we are laser focused on value over volume driving

Speaker 11

Our value added

Speaker 6

solutions in both our corrugated consumer business and that ties in with Our customer base, our segment, our pricing discipline, but also our productivity and cost out. So even as you look at Q1, One, which is historically a low margin quarter just on the cyclicality of the business. And even in Softer economy, we were able to grow margins in both corrugated and consumer. So We feel we're right on the right path. We're committed to the focus of our 2025 targets for Investor Day.

Speaker 12

Okay. But I mean, is it fair to say that margin improvement in consumer and corrugated is kind of the focus right now.

Speaker 6

That's correct.

Speaker 11

Yes.

Speaker 6

Well, also driving growth, but it's profitable growth is the way I'd say it, where we provide great solutions for our customers.

Speaker 12

Okay. That's understood. And then I don't want to beat a dead horse, but just to follow-up on the guidance. You said that Q1 was basically in line with your expectations, which if you add back the weather, you sort of hit the midpoint or pretty close to it on EBITDA. So I'd just like to understand where and really when is the uncertainty?

Speaker 12

And I mean is this about second half Container export demand that just isn't clear right now or should we take this to mean there's a higher degree of uncertainty around the Q2. I'm just trying to square those comments of sort of Q1 falling in line and then being more uncertain about the outlook.

Speaker 11

I guess, please let me take a swing at it. First of all, as David mentioned in his response Prior question, we feel really, really good about how the converting businesses are performing. They're performing directly in line with our expectation. The segment that has been more challenged has been Global Paper, driven by the issues that David mentioned around Inventory destocking and customer demand. So that's really it's the macroeconomic environment that's driving The uncertainty, we feel really good that the team is executing well and the team is performing against everything that we can control.

Speaker 11

We're Taking cost out of the back office, we're driving operational efficiencies. We're managing the Slow down in the economy through prudent use of downtime. And so we're controlling everything we can control. As David mentioned, we Still saw margin expansion even in the converting businesses. So the real uncertainty Comes from Global Paper and just not knowing when that business begins to rebound.

Speaker 11

But again, we feel good That it will strengthen as we get to the back half of the year. But given the level of uncertainty, we just felt as though it was

Speaker 12

Okay. Thanks, Alex.

Operator

Our next question comes from Phil Ng from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hey,

Speaker 9

Hey guys, quick question. On your consumer business, if I'm looking at it right, your volumes were down 4%, was that mostly water related? Anything else that's driving that? David, you commented how backlog has been pretty strong. Do you expect demand in the consumer business to be like flat to up this year for

Speaker 11

the most part?

Speaker 6

Yes. So there is a couple of things. Weather certainly played a role in December. We also have some really large national Accounts that as it got to the end of the year, they just wanted to reduce their inventory levels. And then how January started, We feel right we're back to where we were in 'twenty two levels.

Speaker 6

So if you look overall as far as a dollar basis, which I know is also Common that way to look at it. It's flat, which is similar to how the industry looks at this when you take out FX and pricing. So we continue to see strength in our consumer business and where we're at. And I think there was just Weather related and just some inventory relations with some large customers at the end of the year.

Speaker 9

You talked about how your export This is a little weaker in core containerboard. Are you seeing any of that on your box board side? I mean, I believe the SBS you probably export a little bit.

Speaker 6

Yes. So because of the weather, we actually could have sold a little bit more, but because of the weather that happened in December, As I mentioned, our sales were still up in paperboard. So We're not seeing paperboard trends similar to containerboard at all.

Speaker 9

Okay. Super helpful. And then from an inflation standpoint, Alex, really appreciate the color you provided for fiscal 2Q, but how do you think about it more holistically on a full year basis Major inputs. And then on the nat gas side, it certainly has pulled back quite a bit lately. Can you remind us how much of it's hedged?

Speaker 9

Because I think you started implementing a hedging program more recently.

Speaker 11

Yes. So we're probably hedged in the sort of 40% to 50% zip code. What we've done is our assumption on natural gas for the Q2 is around $5 per MMBtu. So that's Contributing about a $25,000,000 tailwind to EBITDA when you think sequentially. When you think about The full year outlook for natural gas, we expect it to stay relatively stable.

Speaker 11

So on a year over year basis, Down about, call it, 25%. The other areas where we are seeing favorability, Again, sequentially and also year over year, our fiber and freight. So fiber OCC, Sequentially, we anticipate being roughly flat up about 3% to call it $36 a ton and then continuing to strengthen as we get through The balance of the year, but that's offset by Virgin, which is down about 8%. So that becomes about a 20,000,000 Dollar Good Guy to EBITDA sequentially from Q4 and then freight has mitigated as well. So sequentially, we anticipate that Down about 1%.

Speaker 11

The area where we're seeing some inflationary effect, offsetting the good guys that I just mentioned are both wages and chemicals, which are both up about 4%. So that's about a $75,000,000 headwind sequentially and that will persist likely through the balance of the year. And then just while we're talking about kind of guidance and the outlook, Important to point out, Gandhi is going to add about $12,000,000 of incremental depreciation for the quarter and about $47,000,000 of interest. So as you're getting your models tweaked, don't forget those 2 inputs.

Speaker 9

And on your hedge exposure in nat gas, can you remind us where your hedge is at from the dollar value?

Speaker 11

Well, what we do is we dollar cost average it over the course of every month we make a purchase And we're in the market dollar cost averaging it. So like I said, the blended number that we can share is $5 per MMBtu over our overall portfolio.

Speaker 9

Got you. Super helpful. And then from a cash flow standpoint, pretty impressive despite the uncertainty you're able to reiterate your free cash flow guidance. Any offsets that you're seeing that's helping you kind of sustain that level of free cash flow? And in this current environment, David, any thoughts on how you want to deploy that capital?

Speaker 11

Maybe I'll take the cash flow comment and then David can talk about where he's going to spend it. So look, the biggest delta in the quarter was on CapEx. So if you look Sort of it was about $100,000,000 higher year over year From CapEx, a lot of that's driven because of the supply chain constraints that we had. Last year, we were accelerating purchases And now we're deploying that capital into the system. So we do feel as though there's some You'll have opportunity to manage that as we get through the balance of the year.

Speaker 11

The other area where I think we can see some improvement is in working capital. So as we Came into the end of the year, we did see several of our large customers basically just managing their cash flow across the period and that had a negative impact as well. So we think both of those are strong levers We can pull. One of the things I'd point out, as we said in the prepared remarks, for the last 8 years, we've generated more than $1,000,000,000 of free cash flow and you all have lived through the cycles of the last 8 years including COVID. And so I think we continue to be extremely confident in our ability to generate strong cash regardless of the uncertainty around the profitability and the revenue growth.

Speaker 11

And David, do you want to talk about the deployment?

Speaker 6

Yes. I think it's consistent with What we demonstrated over the last year, year and a half is we'll continue to get our leverage in the range That we've targeted between 1.75% and 2.25%, and with Gandhi comes up came up, we'll get that paid down Fairly quickly. And then with the cash flow generation, we'll continue with a growing and sustainable dividend.

Operator

Our next question comes from Gabe Hajde from Wells Fargo. Please go

Speaker 3

ahead. David and Alex, good morning. I apologize if this has been asked. We joined a minute late. I wanted to ask about this disclosure as it relates to economic downtime.

Speaker 3

And you called it out in your corrugated operations, which I think historically speaking, we would have associated economic downtime with mill activity. I thought with the new reporting structure that's sort of been segregated. So I'm just Was this related to corrugated operations that were also taking downtime or maybe there's a transfer effect? I don't know how

Speaker 11

So, yes, let me take that one, Gabe. So, economic downtime, It is directly related to the mill operations. As we go through our process of dividing up profitability Between our corrugated segment and our Global Paper segment, we basically do that following the transactions. So a portion of the economic impact Previously, when we did that historically, it all would have been blended within the corrugated packaging because that's where it all sat. But It did impact our corrugated business.

Speaker 11

As David mentioned, our consumer business remains strong both on the consumer packaging as well as The consumer side of Global Paper. So that's really just as we're showing you the fully integrated margins by the segment, that's where you see the split out. So does that help, I hope?

Speaker 3

It does. It does. And then again, I apologize if it was addressed, but as you look across the system in terms of inventories, We on the outside world are trying to understand where you're at and I know the destocking term has been thrown around quite a bit. Just where you're at with inventories going into the heavy maintenance outage period in your corrugated system specifically?

Speaker 11

Maybe I'll take the internal inventory question and then David will, I think, comment on how the market looks. So from an internal standpoint, I think we feel as though our inventory levels are looking quite good. We did take some Higher inventory at March on the consumer side of the business as we were anticipating some potential disruption related to the labor issues that We've talked about and then we also tend to take inventory as we're planning for The maintenance downtime, so we did have inventories that were perhaps elevated, but not elevated beyond what our expectations were. David, do you want to comment on the market conditions?

Speaker 6

I do. Maybe just one other comment. Alex mentioned, Mart, And I did want to let you know that the contract was ratified yesterday. So our employees will be back to work So we feel great about that. That will certainly help us as we move forward on our productivity issues.

Speaker 6

And just the team has done a great job ensuring that there was no disruption in our customer service. As far as overall customer inventories, I think the stocking at our corrugated customers is Largely behind us, I think it's getting back to normalized levels. There's a few here or there, where it may be a little bit elevated. But as I mentioned earlier, it's really Global Paper, specifically even more so in the export market, Where they still have elevated inventory levels and I go back to last year when it was tight, I think there was a lot of Ordering to make sure that they kept their customers secured with product. And so With a little bit of softness in the global economy, I think their customer orders were softer than they anticipated.

Speaker 6

So they're still sitting on some elevated Inventory levels, but they are working through that. And that's why, as Alex mentioned, as we get toward the second half of the year, I think we'll be have more confidence in You know the normalization of where we're at.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from Anthony Pettinari from Citi. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Good morning. David, just following up on that last point. When you look at your global paper export customers And you think about the inventory situation, would you draw any differentiation between Europe, Latin America, I guess Asia is maybe a bit smaller for you. And when you talk about normalization in the second half, is that calendar second half calendar 'twenty three or is that your fiscal second half?

Speaker 6

Yes, Anthony, thanks for that. It's pretty consistent. You hit it. I mean, we export Latin America, Europe and to a Kind of the levels of inventory that our customers are seeing. So I think I don't think I could really classify one region's ahead of another.

Speaker 6

It's just been pretty consistent. I think our customers are telling us we were just really worried last year when the market was so tight, and then they just experienced a little bit of softness, more so than they anticipated. So that will, I think come back. And then Anthony, I apologize what the second part of your question was.

Speaker 13

When you said second half could be the timeline for normalization, is that calendar official?

Speaker 6

Yes. And I think that goes part to the transparency and our guidance is we are on a fiscal year. So obviously, we end End of September. And so our customers are talking calendar year. And that's where I think it's just we just wanted to be certain.

Speaker 6

So, I think that's just a subtle difference with our fiscal year versus the way our customers think about calendar year, And which is why we just felt like let's go to quarter until we get that stabilization in the second half of the year, whether we understand it's our fiscal Q4 Versus 24 Q1, and I think we'll get visibility to that as we get closer.

Speaker 13

Okay. That's helpful. And then just on Gandhi, I mean, you gave the earnings contribution in calendar 'twenty Understanding you're not giving full year guidance for 'twenty three, but I'm just wondering if there's any kind of finer point in terms of maybe expected contribution for

Speaker 11

Yes, let me talk about the outlook and then actually David was down in Mexico recently. So he'll talk about the Mexican market. So you're right, we did disclose in the other unallocated portion of the business, we did disclose Gandhi contributed $17,000,000 That was for 1 month. The other point we made was it finished the year on a trailing 12 month basis in line with our expectations. Now we're not going to give guidance for Gandhi for a lot of reasons, But I think from a modeling standpoint, it's fair to either annualize the December results or take Our comments on it performing in line with expectations as a reasonable pro form a for what it will contribute next year.

Speaker 6

Yes. No, nothing more to add other than it. I mean, if you look at GYNAMEXICO sales, they came in line. And as we mentioned, the IMF predicting That Mexico will grow faster than the U. S.

Speaker 6

And we saw their packaging sales higher than our North America sales.

Speaker 13

Okay. That's very helpful. I'll turn it over.

Operator

Our next question comes from Adam Josephson from Aidenak, please go ahead.

Speaker 8

David and Alex, good morning. Thanks very much. Alex, just on clarification on your free cash flow guidance. Can you

Speaker 11

Yes. So our CapEx guide is in line with $1,000,000,000 That's consistent with what we've communicated previously. And then working capital, I think it's fair to take a look at what AR did in the End of the year and anticipate that we'll be working on that significantly. I sort of anticipate, call it, 4 days of improvement in our cash conversion and that will get you back to your $1,000,000,000 or north of $1,000,000,000

Speaker 8

Okay, perfect. And in terms of your total cost expectations for fiscal 'twenty three, some of it's inflationary, whether it's I think you mentioned labor and chemicals specifically, but then you've got OCC, gas, other costs that will be significantly deflationary in fiscal 'twenty three. So just overall, can you give us a sense for what do you expect total deflation, Flattish total cost, maybe slight inflation, any thoughts there?

Speaker 11

Sure. So let me I'm going to avoid giving guidance.

Speaker 6

So I'm going

Speaker 11

to try to give you directionally where we're headed. So think I mentioned in my prior comments, we do anticipate gas right now in Q2 at around $5 At MMBTU, we see that as relatively steady through the back half of the year. OCC, It's right now at around $35, dollars 36 a ton. We do see that strengthening as we get to the year. So probably exiting In Q4, maybe a little bit between where it was in Q3 and Q4 of fiscal 'twenty Virgin probably staying fairly consistent with where it's been We're exited last year, call it in the $45, $46 a ton zone, freight mitigating, So freight being stable and really the largest headwind, I mentioned being the chemical and the wage, which is 4% and that will

Speaker 8

Got it. Okay. Thanks, Alex. And David, just On the topic of providing full year guidance, I know you're doing it just to help investors get a sense for What your full year expectations are, but obviously during COVID, the company withdrew guidance and now again you've chosen to withdraw guidance. So just On a longer term basis, do you think it's appropriate to continue providing full year profit guidance just given How frequently you've had to withdraw it and look, you have no control over the macro currency, commodity costs, etcetera.

Speaker 8

So is it really Worth it to try to give investors a sense for what you expect when there's just so much over which you have no control?

Speaker 6

Yes, Adam, I appreciate your comments and thank you for them. Your points are all valid and we'll continue to evaluate it As we continue to move forward, but you're right, there are a lot of moving pieces that are out of our control Versus we are in a cyclical market and so we'll continue to evaluate it, but I don't think we have a firm answer one way or the other right now.

Speaker 8

Yes. Thanks so much, David. Appreciate it.

Speaker 9

Thank you.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Rob Quartaro for closing remarks.

Speaker 10

Thank you everybody for joining our call today. As usual, we are available after the call for any additional questions that you have. And we look forward to updating you again next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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