Qorvo Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Qorvo reported Q3 fiscal 2023 revenue of $743 M and non-GAAP EPS of $0.75, both above midpoint guidance, driven by strength in defense, broadband and silicon carbide power devices.
  • Year-over-year revenues declined in all segments—Advanced Cellular fell from $775 M to $491 M and Connectivity & Sensors from $158 M to $97 M—due to weak end-market demand and elevated channel inventory levels in Wi-Fi and Android smartphones.
  • Management highlighted broad design wins across high-growth areas including ultra wideband, BAW filters, silicon carbide power switches and automotive MEMS sensors, positioning Qorvo for content gains in next-generation devices.
  • Q4 guidance anticipates revenue of $600–640 M, non-GAAP EPS of $0.10–0.15, and ~41% gross margin, reflecting ongoing channel inventory digestion, lower factory utilization and underutilization charges.
  • Long-term, productivity improvements in the Richardson fab could double BAW capacity, supporting Qorvo’s outlook for mid-single-digit growth in Advanced Cellular and double-digit growth in both High Performance Analog and Connectivity & Sensors.
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Earnings Conference Call
Qorvo Q3 2023
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There are 17 speakers on the call.

Operator

To the Qorvo Inc. Third Quarter 2023 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

Operator

It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Douglas Toledo, Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Speaker 1

Thanks very much. Hello, everyone, and welcome to Qorvo's fiscal 2023 3rd quarter earnings conference call. This call will include forward looking statements that involve risk factors that could cause our Actual results could differ materially from management's current expectations. We encourage you to review the Safe Harbor statement contained in the earnings release published today As well as the risk factors associated with our business in our annual report on Form 10 ks filed with the SEC, because these Risk factors may affect our operations and financial results. In today's release and on today's call, we provide both GAAP and non GAAP financial results.

Speaker 1

We provide this supplemental information to enable investors to perform additional comparisons of operating results and to analyze financial performance without the impact of certain non cash expenses or any or other items that may obscure trends in our underlying performance. During our call, our comments and comparisons to income statement items will be based primarily on non GAAP results. For a complete reconciliation of GAAP to non GAAP financial measures, please refer to our earnings release issued earlier today available on our Investor Relations website at ir.qorvo.com under Financial Releases. Joining us today are Bob Bruggeworth, President and CEO Grant Brown, Chief Financial Officer Dave Full, Senior Vice President of Sales and Marketing and other members of Corvo's management team. With that, I'll turn the call over to Bob.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Doug, and welcome everyone to our call. Qorvo delivered fiscal 3rd quarter revenue and EPS Above the midpoint of our outlook provided during our November 2 earnings call. In high performance analog, quarterly revenue reflected year over year growth In defense, broadband and power, our power business posted a strong quarter with robust design activity for our silicon carbide power devices. Offsetting this were power management markets with consumer exposure in infrastructure where customers are working down elevated inventory levels. In our Connectivity and Sensors group, the quarter reflected lower end market demand and channel inventory consumption for WiFi products, Partially offset by strength in automotive.

Speaker 2

Design activity was strong across customers and products, including ultra wideband, matter and sensors. Use cases continue to proliferate that benefit from precision location, Indoor navigation, seamless connectivity and enhanced human machine interfaces. Lastly, in Advanced Cellular, Qorvo participated broadly across customers' portfolios. The macro environment weighed on overall smartphone volumes across customers And revenue reflected channel inventory consumption within the Android ecosystem. Design activity Continue to be strong across customers and product categories and supports year over year content gains at our largest customers.

Speaker 2

Now let's turn to some quarterly highlights. In our performance analog, Qorvo began sampling a radar power solution That combines a high voltage power conversion PMIC and silicon carbide power switches to control a GaN RF power amplifier. The solution reduced the size by up to 30% in DNA radar systems, while expanding Qorvo's content opportunity. We also expanded our Ship state of the art RF packaging contract with the U. S.

Speaker 2

Government to develop multi chip modules That combined digital optical devices with Qorvo's mixed signal RF. In aerospace, we delivered a multi chip solution that includes Qorvo's high The solution supports cellular satellite links and we have secured new designs. The opportunity for Qorvo is notable Given the trend in defense and aerospace applications of one to many. That means rather than one jet, there will also be many drones. Rather than one GEO satellite, there will also be many LEO satellites.

Speaker 2

At the same time, new capabilities are being added to existing platforms That require increased semiconductor content and higher density and more advanced packaging, all areas where Qorvo is strong And is investing to advance the technology. In cellular infrastructure, we commenced preproduction shipments of our first integrated PA modules Or PAMs, to a Tier 1 European infrastructure OEM for 5 gs massive MIMO base stations. We also began sampling our next generation PAM, which delivers market leading efficiency for 5 gs massive MIMO installations To the leading European infrastructure OEMs, for broadband infrastructure applications, we sampled a CATV powered doubler amplifier That maintains linearity and extends bandwidth to enable higher throughput DOCSIS 4.0 capabilities With industry leading power efficiency, deployments of DOCSIS 4.0 are scheduled to begin this year and Qorvo is very well positioned as the industry leader. In CSG, we expanded our WiFi content at a Korean based smartphone OEM to include WiFi 6E and WiFi 7 designs and we ramped WiFi 7 FEMs for access points and routers for our smart home ecosystem customer. We also commence sampling 5 gigahertz and 6 gigahertz filters.

Speaker 2

These filters leverage Qorvo's next generation BAW process and enable worldwide WiFi 7 frequency coverage. There is increasing customer interest related to multi link operation, which is a key attribute of Wi Fi 7 It enables higher throughput and lower latency. Lastly, we began volume shipments of MEMS based sensors, enabling an enhanced HMI experience And true wireless stereo earbuds, Qorvo Sensors were selected to replace legacy capacitive touch sensor technology. Design activity for our sensors continues to be strong across markets, including automotive. We are working with leading automotive Tier 1s And have secured automotive smart interior design wins in more than 25 vehicles.

Speaker 2

In Advanced Cellular, We secured multiple design wins across Android OEMs in support of 2023 devices. During the quarter, we commenced the production ramp Multiple components for the leading Korea based smartphone OEMs flagship platform. We have increased our content significantly year over year. We are broadly serving this customer across our portfolio and continue to support the migration of their mass market phones to integrated 5 gs solutions. At a U.

Speaker 2

S.-based Android OEM, we were selected to supply multiple solutions, including ultra wideband, Antenna tuning and BAW based antennaplexing in support of their 2023 smartphone launches. Lastly, Qorvo was recognized by multiple customers. We were presented with Honor's 2022 Golden Supply Award And we received quality awards from Vivo for discrete switches and amplifiers and highly integrated solutions. Before handing the call off to Grant, I want to make a few high level comments to frame our outlook, both in the near term and further out. At our largest two customers, we are very confident in our ability to grow year over year content, And that includes this year.

Speaker 2

In 2023, we expect growth in BAW based content as well as other content growth. Equally important, we enjoy a range of opportunities across all of our customers in the future years. Qorvo is supporting the highest volume flagship phones, While supplying integrated 5 gs solutions as mass market portfolios migrate to 5 gs. Fewer than half of the Android devices were 5 gs in 2022, and the migration of 5 gs is expected to extend over many years. We are unique in Advanced Cellular in the breadth of our customer exposure and in the depth of our product and technology offerings.

Speaker 2

Our long term view of ACG continues to be mid to high single digit growth driven by multiyear content gains. In particular, we see expanding market for our BAW technology. Productivity gains in our Richardson, Texas fab Have enabled a doubling of our BAW output. We intend to put that to good use as we continue to capture designs And grow our BAW content in flagship phones. We expect the long term growth rate of HPA and connectivity and sensors To outpace Advanced Cellular, our view for HPA is double digit growth, and in CSG, we expect growth in the strong double digits.

Speaker 2

Key growth areas supported by recent wins with silicon carbide devices, NEVs and solar inverters, MEMS sensors and notebook trackpads and automotive smart interiors and ultra wideband in automotive and Android devices. These and other investment businesses are securing new designs that extend our opportunity in large growth markets. In the near term, the team is performing exceptionally well while navigating extraordinary events. Factory loadings have been reduced And we are bringing down channel inventories. We are also actively managing the expense line, while sharpening our focus in support of targeted growth.

Speaker 2

We are working to accelerate revenue related to our Omnia BAW based biosensors by exploring options for the associated Omnia test hardware, Meaning the Omnia Desktop test unit and cartridges that contain our BAW BIO sensors. The technology has been proven commercially, And we are engaged with a diverse set of customers. Q4 remains at the forefront of connectivity, sustainability and electrification. We enjoy exceptional customer relationships and we are a key enabler of future architectures. These architectures continue to favor higher levels of performance, Integration and functional density to deliver the successive improvements in each market's next generation's products.

Speaker 2

Our customers value Qorvo's best in class products and technologies, and we are securing broad based design wins in high growth markets. As volumes recover, we are positioned to deliver long term growth and robust free cash flow. And with that, I'll hand the call off to Grant. Thanks, Bob, and good afternoon, everyone.

Speaker 3

As a reminder, our references today will be to our 3 operating segments: High Performance Analog or HPA Connectivity and Sensors Group or CSG and Advanced Cellular Group or ACG. In our upcoming 10 Q, we will provide historical information that reflects these operating segments. Additional historical information will be made available in our fiscal 2023 10 ks to be filed this May. I'll now turn to our latest quarterly results. Revenue for the Q3 of fiscal 2023 was 7 $43,000,000 $18,000,000 above the midpoint of our guidance.

Speaker 3

We enjoyed relatively strong performance in automotive, Broadband, defense and silicon carbide power devices. However, elevated channel inventories and weak end market demand pressured revenue And order activity across all three operating segments. Looking at each operating segment individually, HPA revenue of $155,000,000 in the quarter compares to revenue of $182,000,000 in the same quarter last year. In HPA, growth in areas such as defense and silicon carbide powered devices was offset by inventory consumption In the 5 gs base station market and softness in consumer facing markets like SSDs and battery powered tools, CSG revenue of $97,000,000 in the quarter compares to revenue of $158,000,000 in the same quarter last year. This reflects weakness in end market demand for WiFi products and channel inventory consumption.

Speaker 3

Finally, ACG revenue of $491,000,000 compares to revenue of $775,000,000 In the same quarter last year, this reflects lower smartphone unit volumes and channel inventory digestion within the Android ecosystem. On a non GAAP basis, gross margin in the quarter was 40.9%. Gross margin fell sequentially Due to lower factory utilization and higher inventory related charges, including a quality issue at a supplier. Non GAAP operating expenses in the quarter were $206,000,000 $19,000,000 lower than our guidance And down $8,000,000 versus last year due to OpEx discipline, the timing of product development spend and lower employee related expenses, including incentive based compensation. In total, non GAAP operating income in the quarter was $99,000,000 Or 13% of sales.

Speaker 3

Breaking out operating margin by each segment, ACG was 20%, HPA was 19% and CSG was negative 32%. Non GAAP net income was $77,000,000 representing diluted earnings per share of $0.75 which was at the high end of our guidance range. Free cash flow was $203,000,000 capital expenditures were $34,000,000 And we repurchased approximately $200,000,000 worth of shares during the quarter. The rate and pace of our repurchases It's based on our long term outlook, low leverage, alternative uses of cash and other factors. Turning to the balance sheet.

Speaker 3

As of quarter end, we had approximately $2,000,000,000 of debt outstanding with no near term maturities and $919,000,000 of Our net inventory balance ending the quarter was up slightly at $857,000,000 Now turning to our current quarter outlook. We expect quarterly revenue between $600,000,000 $640,000,000 Non GAAP gross margin of approximately 41% and non GAAP diluted earnings per share in the range of $0.10 to 0 point 15 dollars Our current view reflects ongoing demand weakness across end markets as well as our expectations For further consumption of channel inventory, we continue to expect sales to Android smartphone customers will increase sequentially in the March quarter. For historical reference, the March quarter revenue in fiscal 2022 for each of ACG, HPA and CSG was $777,000,000 $211,000,000 $179,000,000 respectively. At the volume levels assumed in our guidance, we expect Qorvo's inventory position will decline in March, but remain elevated. In terms of channel inventory, the picture has begun to improve.

Speaker 3

For example, total channel inventory for our components in the Android ecosystem Was reduced by over 20% in the December quarter. We expect continued improvement this quarter and anticipate the channel to normalize Later this calendar year. We are actively working with customers to consume channel inventories and in doing so, We expect production levels to remain compressed. This will lead to continuing underutilization charges related to inventories, which will weigh on gross margin during fiscal Q4 and carry into next fiscal year. We project non GAAP operating expenses In the March quarter, we'll be up approximately $20,000,000 sequentially due to the timing of product development spend, seasonal payroll effects and other employee related expenses.

Speaker 3

Below the operating income line, non operating expense will be approximately $15,000,000 Reflecting interest paid on our fixed rate debt, offset by interest income earned on our cash balances, FX gains or losses, along with other items. Our non GAAP tax rate for fiscal Q4 is expected to be consistent with fiscal Q3. The rate remains elevated due to the absolute level and geographic mix of pre tax profit, including FX related gains in high tax jurisdictions as well as the impact of a U. S. Tax law change related to R and D capitalization among other factors.

Speaker 3

With regards to operations, I want to highlight the outstanding progress our teams have made in terms of productivity gains. We continue to make improvements in product development, filter design, process engineering, factory planning, manufacturing efficiency and many other areas. To date, these gains have significantly increased our effective BAW capacity. And as Bob indicated, the progress continues. And looking forward, we can double our BAW capacity in the Richardson facility versus our current maximum theoretical thresholds today.

Speaker 3

Increasing the throughput of an existing asset not only reduces cost, but can reduce complexity within the factory network As production is consolidated, the BAW productivity gains in our Richardson facility allow us to achieve our long term growth goals across all of our customers, including the most demanding BAW based placements. As a result, we have decided to sell our Farmers Branch facility. We're in the early stages of marketing the site and initial interest has been encouraging. For reference, the site has been incurring approximately $12,000,000 of non GAAP COGS per year. We are also evaluating strategic alternatives for our biotechnology business To accelerate and maximize its potential value, the Omnia platform, which is based on our BAW sensor technology, Has demonstrated significant promise as a diagnostic testing solution.

Speaker 3

The Biotechnology unit currently resides in our CSG segment. While the revenue impact from a transaction would be negligible, it would reduce total expenses by approximately $32,000,000 per year. At this stage, it's too early to comment on the eventual outcome, timing or potential valuation. These actions will sharpen our focus and resources on the many growth drivers across our 3 operating segments. Our long term outlook is positive, We're well positioned to weather current macroeconomic challenges.

Speaker 3

Product performance requirements continue to increase in our end markets. Sustainability initiatives underscore the increasing global reliance on power efficiency and connectivity and electrification trends are accelerating worldwide. We have diversified our opportunities across markets, customers and product categories, while maintaining our commitment to technology leadership, Portfolio management, productivity gains and reduced capital intensity. This has supported strong financial performance during a challenging environment and has positioned us for long term increasingly diversified growth. At this time, please open the line for questions.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. And our first question is from Toshiya Hari with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 4

Hi, good afternoon and thank you so much for taking the question. You gave really good color on channel inventory, but I was hoping To ask a follow-up there. So channel inventory as it relates to Android, I think you said was down more than 20% in the December quarter. I guess, how do you see that evolving over the next couple of quarters? And I guess, more importantly, on the Non Android side or the iOS side, what's your current assessment of channel inventory and how that plays out over the coming quarters?

Speaker 5

Yes, this is Dave. I'll answer that one. So first, we're not going to comment on the iOS side of the inventories. And Grant already mentioned Yes, Andrew. I think when we look at the overall channel inventories and when we refer to channel inventories, we're talking about all of Our components that are out, whether they're in our distributors or at the end customers.

Speaker 5

And so on balance overall, it's down about 20 Across the entire business, not just within the Android ecosystem. If you look just within our distribution channel, it's down about a third in the December quarter. But as Grant mentioned, we still have a ways to go there. So we expect to continue reducing that across this quarter and then into the early part of FY 2024.

Speaker 4

Got it. And then as my follow-up on gross margins, you're guiding the March quarter to, I guess, 40%, 41%, To work down inventory and the overall industry continues to work down inventory, what cadence should we be thinking about For the rest of the calendar year, do you think you can exit kind of in the high 40s or even close to 50% calendar 2023? Or is that a little too optimistic at this point? Thank you.

Speaker 3

Sure, Toshiya. Thanks for the question. I'll touch on margins here and I'll try to cover all of it, both In Q3 and then looking beyond that into fiscal 2024, for fiscal 2023, the Primary driver of gross margin continues to be under utilization and inventory related charges. In Q3, it accounted for about 9 20 basis points of Headwind or in that neighborhood and it's expected to remain there in the March quarter, hence the flat gross margin guidance. Inflation across direct costs were approximately 80 basis points in Q3 and again expected to remain there in Q4.

Speaker 3

As we stated earlier in Q3, there was a supplier quality issue, representing approximately 30 basis points of headwind In our Q3 period. So kind of walking through that Pareto, you can see the dominant factors clearly underutilization. To your question about getting back to 50%, it's unlikely in fiscal 2024, Although it depends on your view of the macro economy and a number of other variables. However, underutilization Creates a lingering impact due to timing. And so as volumes fall, those inventory balances will reflect higher per unit costs.

Speaker 3

And I simply put, fewer units moving through a fixed cost factory collect more cost per unit. So we saw this heading into the December quarter and it will carry forward into fiscal 24. The rate at which that high cost inventory flows through the P and L will obviously depend on variables like our future utilization or product mix, Including a ramp of revenue over the course of fiscal 2024. But although the precise timing is uncertain, The reduction in channel inventories is very encouraging and it's a necessary first step. If I do look out over the course of fiscal 2024, I could see Potentially that 9.20 basis points of margin get cut in half, again, subject to your view of The revenue trajectory throughout the year.

Speaker 4

Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

And our next question is from Karl Ackerman with BNP Paribas. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 6

Yes. Thank you. Good afternoon. I was hoping you could discuss a little bit more commentary regarding your outlook. Certainly gave much commentary across the P and L for March.

Speaker 6

But within that outlook, could you discuss the Order of magnitude decline between your segments. I'm just trying to have a better understanding of what's occurring, I guess, in the legacy IDP segment, which driven by some I'll leave you some inventory overhang within Wi Fi, IoT and maybe telecom infrastructure. And then as you address that question, What are your assumptions for your mobile revenue in China in the March quarter, which I believe was guided to 10% in December?

Speaker 3

Sure. So let me start with our view of the segments in the March quarter. If we go back to comparing our current March guide to our thoughts last November, there's a bit of variance in HPA and CSG. Instead of flattish, there'll be rather modest declines there in dollar terms for our guide. Biggest driver, of course, is ACG.

Speaker 3

If you consider The size of our largest customer relative to ACG revenues in December, and that customer, excuse me, is seasonally down In March June, it's a sizable headwind and that really dictates the path of our top line. In terms of our China based smartphone OEM revenue, it came in largely in line, just a bit above 10%.

Speaker 6

Understood. I guess just maybe just a follow-up on that With regard to the China Android OEMs, it sounds like that came in a little bit better. Should that remain at a similar Level of revenue on a mixed basis in March, it sounds like that's going to be improving. And I guess, To the extent you could talk about the recovery process or how you see the recovery process for the balance of the year, I guess the question I would like to Understand is, given some of the new, the opportunity in premium tier Android flagships you've announced this today, It's certainly great to hear. But I guess if you could discuss the level of confidence you have in demand returning For mid tier handsets, the balance of the year would be super helpful because I asked because 2 very large Korean memory OEMs this week Indicated smartphone market could bifurcate between good demand for flagships yet weaker demand for lower mid tier models.

Speaker 6

And so if you could just kind of comment on, I suppose the production approach and your design approach for those markets, if they do bifurcate, would be Very helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Sure. Let's if I decompose it, maybe I'll start and I'll let Dave tackle the different tiers of handset models. In terms of revenue, as we look forward into the guide, we would expect our China based smartphone OEMs in dollar terms to be roughly flat, Overall, our Android revenue to be up. And then as we look maybe deeper into fiscal 2024, Without going into too much detail or attempting to guide at this point given the overwhelming impact of macroeconomic factors, I can shape it a bit for you and provide some of the drivers. In terms of revenue beyond the March quarter, we would expect June to be roughly flattish, Could be a bit higher or a bit lower depending on your view of the economy or China's reopening.

Speaker 3

We don't have terribly ambitious Expectations for the reopening at this point, we're playing a bit conservative with our view. From there, I would expect September to see significant Sequential growth. And then December and the March 2024 quarters to be back to strong annual growth From there, Dave, I don't know if you mind commenting on the tiers.

Speaker 5

Yes. So Bob mentioned in his remarks as well, We're seeing really nice content growth in the premium tier. So we're well represented there. And of course, we've always been well represented in the mass Here as well, 5 gs. And so there's still a lot of room to go in terms of conversion to 5 gs.

Speaker 5

So the rate and pace of that may not be as quickly as we would have liked, but it's still a lot in front of us. So we expect to see that math here is still moving to 5 gs over

Speaker 6

Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

And our next question is from Gary Mobley with Wells Fargo Securities. Please proceed with your question. Mr. Mobley, please check if your line is muted.

Speaker 7

Guys, can you hear me now?

Speaker 2

Yes, we can, Gary.

Speaker 7

My apologies. I want to start out by asking for some clarification on what Grant just mentioned Regarding the sequential revenue comps and year over year growth, looking into the first half of next calendar year, was that In reference to CSG or the business overall?

Speaker 3

It was the business overall.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you for that. Any change in view on the purchase commitments from your foundry And suppliers, do you anticipate utilizing all those commitments or might we be looking at some additional write downs there, Just given the dynamics.

Speaker 3

Yes. No change to our view. As you'll remember, we restructured the agreement last Quarter to better align our view of demand with supply and are working with that partner on an ongoing basis.

Speaker 7

All right. Thank you, Grant. Thanks, everybody.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Darren.

Operator

And our next question is from Edward Snyder with Charter Equity Research. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 8

Thanks a lot, guys. Several questions actually. First off, it sounds like the competitive environment, especially in China and maybe in Samsung is getting much more difficult. We've gotten lots of feedback of MaxSend being a major competitor in switches, fielding high band modules, competing in ultra wideband, which wasn't the case 2 years ago. And I know they've been out there slugging away for some time and now it seems like maybe the political environment in China is favoring them more.

Speaker 8

First off, are you seeing that? Are they becoming more aggressive? Number 2, are the margin expectations for the Chinese anywhere close to what we've come to normally expect from your normal Western competitors, if not, would not affect ASP is it affecting ASP or should we expect the ASP decline? And then I have a follow-up, please.

Speaker 2

Hi, Ed. Thanks for the question. As far as the Chinese competitors, they've always been there. We've always seen them. I think what is overriding everything is the highly integrated modules that require premium filter performance, particularly for those that are being exported As well as for within the China consumer market.

Speaker 2

So we still feel very good about our position there with our integrated modules, whether it's ultra high band, What we're doing, obviously, with mid high as well as the work that we've done improved significantly the performance And cost in our soft filters for low band pads. So we feel real good about how that's positioned. And from a pricing perspective, We haven't seen significant changes there, Ed. I think there are some areas we're actually raising prices. In some areas, Yes, there's a little bit of competition, but we always have that.

Speaker 2

So we haven't really seen a change in the market.

Speaker 8

Great. And then on that same note about It sounds like the MEMS business is, you've been working on MEMS forever, and now they're showing up. And The ASPs, I know you're looking to fuel them as tuners and we've tracked that business pretty closely from time, but it sounds like you might be seeing a significant increase in ASPs to the extent that you want the industry starts adopting MEMS, maybe if I could flip that over, it sounds like since Samsung's reorganized division now that you're using open market modules, the actual content and ASP for those modules seems to have dropped significantly, Whether it be the mid high band or the low band. And I'm just talking about the flagship, of course, because the master is a big step up going to module. So I'm just trying to get my arms around Yes.

Speaker 8

What the overall, let's say, year over year or year over 2 years ago content picture looks like From the Koreans' point of view in terms of redesign that front end and then what kind of trends in products like MEMS do you have that are blocking that trend? Thanks.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Ed. I'll take the MEMS and let Dave speak a little bit more about your comments about the standard products that we've been selling that are highly integrated, Integrating in all the filters. As far as MEMS goes, we're still very early on in that. Ed, as far as the RF MEMS go, As you know, we've been working on that through the acquisition of Cavendish Kinetics and really just beginning to roll that out.

Speaker 2

And yes, they are paying for that. We don't expect that to go Broadly and replace all of our antenna tuners, it gets you a dB or so and people that are willing to pay for it We'll pay for that. That technology is cost a little bit more per function, but you get you pick up a significant improvement in the performance. And then second, we're also our pressure sensor MEMS, we're doing extremely well there. I commented in my opening comments about being Over 25 different vehicles, people are starting to implement it in track pads across all of the major OEMs are now looking at it.

Speaker 2

We're engaged with them. We're just seeing that proliferate into watches and various other devices. So it's very early on also in its life cycle. So we feel real good about that. And I'll let Dave speak a little Your question about some of the Korean manufacturers and what we're seeing there?

Speaker 5

Yes. And while the architectures are similar, especially that particular customer You mentioned they're still very demanding from a performance standpoint. So they have their requirements and you have to meet their requirements to win that business. So we're very focused on that. We work very closely with them on the advanced architectures years in advance to meet their needs.

Speaker 5

So I wouldn't think of it necessarily as a standard product. It's still very demanding sockets.

Speaker 9

Great. Thanks.

Operator

And our next question is from Vivek Arya with Bank of America, please proceed with your question.

Speaker 10

Thanks for taking my question. On the first Gross margin and then how your balance sheet inventory affects that over time. So you mentioned gross margin, I think 41% For March June sales are flattish. I imagine gross margins are probably flattish also. And then I heard that you could recover about half of the 900 basis Point of underutilization, so suggest gross margin somewhere in the mid-40s in the back half.

Speaker 10

But how do I align that With the inventory that you have on your balance sheet, where do you see it going over time? And Does that impact how the gross margin progression happens in the back half of the year?

Speaker 3

Hey, Vivek. Thanks. This is Grant. I'll take your question. Yes, you've got it in terms of gross margin and the answer on inventory is rather Simple, right?

Speaker 3

As that inventory begins to get sold and flow through cost of goods sold, it will drag with it those higher costs Per unit associated with underutilization. So I would expect inventories to trend down over time, subject to normal seasonal ramps at large customers Where we do have to build inventory in advance of those sales. So over time, it will come down, again, offset by some of those growth oriented Builds that we do at seasonal periods of the year?

Speaker 10

Brent, the reason I asked the question is because I heard Before on the call that you think channel inventory normalizes later in the calendar year. I'm hoping I got that right. So if channel inventory doesn't normalize until later, how will your balance sheet inventory start to get back to more normal levels?

Speaker 3

Yes, they're not necessarily sequential. They can happen simultaneously depending on the level of demand. Although you're correct, I think the first stage of that would be a reduction in the channel inventories, increase in order activity from our customers pulling through our inventory, Along with, as I said, the offset and builds for large customer ramps, but they're happening somewhat simultaneously, not perfectly sequentially.

Speaker 10

Understood. And then for my second question, Yenny, you mentioned content gains at your top two Customers, are these competitive wins or is this new time? Like is your gain Somebody else's loss of content or is it just new capabilities that customers are planning to add? And kind of related to that, Just given the nature of these customers, do you expect to retain this content in the following years? Like are these multiyear Programs or the visibility is only there for us here?

Speaker 10

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Vivek. Part of the questions we can't answer, but I will tell you that the it is both content and share gains at our largest customers, our largest two customers.

Speaker 10

Which can continue, Bob. So these are like multiyear decisions or?

Speaker 2

Can be and some are, some aren't. So we'll see. Understood.

Speaker 5

Okay.

Speaker 10

Thank you.

Operator

And our next question is from Blayne Curtis with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 11

Questions. Maybe I just want to start out, you've been kind of giving how large your largest customer, 10% customers are. Just trying to get a starting point for some of these moving pieces in December?

Speaker 3

Sure. So our largest customer is a significant portion of ACG revenues, usually representing About 2 thirds of that business, if not more, in certain periods. And then our 2nd largest customer, we haven't commented on, but it generally hovers around That 10% mark and certainly with some of the growth we expect there could be more.

Speaker 11

Got you. And then I guess following up on Vivek's question, just to try to gauge the magnitude of these content wins Speaking to you, you talked about being able to double capacity at Richardson. I'm assuming you have given the pullback In Android, some excess capacity already. So I'm just kind of curious the timeframe in terms of doubling that capacity, if you have that on your horizon?

Speaker 3

Sure. Let me talk to that. I think just at the highest level, there isn't a BAW placement that we can't fully support Any customer at our Richardson facility is really the key takeaway there. We've driven some significant gains for the reasons I mentioned earlier in Prepared remarks, but the productivity gains, the overall dye shrinks, the move from 6 inches to 8 inches and then of course the successive generations of BAW Filters that we're running through that factory lend themselves to a significant increase in capacity. As we look at Farmers Branch, the need for that, I guess, over time has been somewhat of a safety valve in case any of those initiatives didn't But given the success of the team there, we're able to support all the BAW based processing we need out of our Richardson facility.

Speaker 12

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Our next question is from Matt Ramsay with Cowen. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 13

Thank you. Good afternoon, guys. I guess, I was going to ask you and I'll swap the order because it kind of built on Blaine's last question. But in the BAW filter space, Any changes in the competitive landscape there? I think one of your U.

Speaker 13

S. Competitors has made a decent amount of progress on their BAW roadmap internally in the last couple of years, and it seems like some products might be a little bit closer to impacting sort of the market. So any it sounds like you're very confident in what Comes and content gains to the last couple of answers that you've given, but any competitive dynamic changes with your primary competitors on BAW?

Speaker 3

Yes. No changes to our primary competitors. And to the earlier follow on regarding the capacity at Richardson, That is something that we can do over time, not necessarily this year, but that's something that we have the ability to do in subsequent Quinte, yours to add on to the effective capacity there at Richardson. Again, I just want to make sure that's clear that we do have to take Steps, add equipment, etcetera, in order to make that possible. It will be in the out years, but it's really a comment around Farmers Branch and Supporting the ability for us to do that in the future, given our ability to sell the Farmers Branch facility.

Speaker 13

Got it. Thanks for the clarification there. As my follow-up there, obviously, given how big it is in the revenue, most of the focus The call here has been on the mobile and smartphone markets. But I wanted to ask quickly on the wireless infrastructure side. There's some I don't know if they're correlated, but similar inventory dynamics that are happening.

Speaker 13

If you guys have any commentary about Inventory buildup there, how has it come down? What timing of any potential reacceleration? Is it similar to on the mobile side or Longer, shorter, just any context there would be helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 5

Yes. And I think that's pretty well known. We've seen inventory build up there and that's certainly been impact to our infrastructure business and it will take some time we think for that to bleed off throughout the year. So it's probably Similar, but maybe even take longer than what we'll see in mobile.

Speaker 12

Thanks a lot. Appreciate it.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question is from Raji Gill with Needham and Company. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 14

Yes, thanks for taking my questions. I just wanted to break down the commentary about September And December and March, if I could. So just the commentary about significant sequential growth in September off to flat June. What's driving that commentary? It's seasonally September is higher, but can you maybe Frame it in terms of relative seasonal patterns, is this also being aided by more of a significant rebuild by these customers Plus share gains, just any commentary around qualitatively what specifically driving the September commentary?

Speaker 14

And then December March being up year over year, obviously, December March of December of 2022 March of 2023 are Relatively easy compares in terms of the revenue. So just kind of thoughts around December March would be helpful. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Yes, sure. So As we look into September, again, I would just reiterate we're not providing any official guidance in the fiscal 2024, but we're attempting to shape it just a bit Given some of the macroeconomic uncertainty and obviously the macroeconomic situation will inevitably dictate the trajectory of revenue. But just looking at some of the drivers that we see seasonally, there is a significant ramp in the September quarter. So, and as Bob stated, we feel as though

Speaker 2

we are

Speaker 3

well on large platforms across all of our largest customers. So continued strength at some of those customers as the channel inventories begin clearing Will occur as well as a large seasonal ramp gets to a sequential increase in September. That's pretty substantial off of a rather low base As we're talking about a roughly flattish June. So that's the primary driver or color around September. And then into December March, you're right, the comps get relatively easy.

Speaker 3

But with the channel inventory picture clearing up by the end of the calendar year, as we talked about earlier, It should provide for a restocking, if you will, or us selling into Potentially demand even at just recurring to normalized levels.

Speaker 14

Got it. And for my follow-up regarding Your conversations with the Chinese OEMs and the Korean OEMs, what is the expectation as Stan today in terms of their customer forecast, for calendar 23 going into calendar 24. Obviously, calendar 2022 was kind of a horrific year in terms of units. Are the forecast relatively conservative Offset, very challenging 2022, are some OEMs more aggressive in their forecast plans? There's more capacity coming online for a variety of different smartphone components.

Speaker 14

Does that enable new product ramps? Just any commentary in terms of what

Speaker 2

Dave, would you like to take that?

Speaker 5

Yes, sure. So The customer sentiment and their forecast is very cautious. And I think until we've seen some early signs of life In China, in the smartphone sell through, 1st few weeks of January look promising, but we need to see a couple of months of that. I think our customers do as well they really start to gain confidence there. So right now, the purchase order patterns, their forecast remain very cautious at the outlook that answer your question?

Speaker 14

Yes, it does. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Operator

And our next question is from Chris Caso with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 7

Yes, thank you. Question is regarding CapEx and cash flow and both on a shorter term standpoint on how you plan to manage that as we still burning off inventory here. And then a bit longer term and kind of we're hearing from you is that it sounds like From a capacity standpoint, you may be set for a little bit. So what can we expect there? Can we expect that as The market normalizes and this inventory starts had burns off and had some benefits to revenue That we see that flow through for cash flow performance?

Speaker 3

Sure. So we don't guide specifically to the balance sheet or cash flow, but I'll try to give a little bit of Color on the drivers. So having now collected on sales in prior quarters, Our cash flow will likely start to follow the path of the P and L, obviously. As we look forward, we still expect to generate Free cash flow and CapEx should be in the 5% to 7% range of sales, representing Discipline there and some reduced CapEx intensity as we move forward having invested in our facilities Over the prior years and looking forward, we'll be largely capacity driven as we see demand And obviously improvements in our performance and technology required. But generally speaking, Be looking for the cash flow to follow P and L.

Speaker 7

Got it. Okay. Just a follow on, and again, a lot of discussion has been on the cellular portion. For the non handset part of the business, I guess what I heard is some of the infrastructure products that there's still some inventory to burn off. But what would you say more generally Would be the inventory situation for the non handset part of the business.

Speaker 7

Is this a situation where this is a little bit slower to come back as compared So the cellular business or what's the view of that those businesses as you proceed through the year?

Speaker 5

Yes, it definitely varies. So the infrastructure business is probably going to be slower to recover. We've got Wi Fi, a lot of that's consumer facing and probably very similar to what we see in the smartphone space, but some of that's also more operator and Enterprise driven. And so we saw that occur a little bit later, so that will probably take a little bit longer to recover. And then our power management business as well is very consumer facing with power tools, solid state drives and other types of devices like that, that are more Consumer oriented.

Speaker 5

So they'll go probably very similar to the way the smartphone market does.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question is from Harsh Kumar with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 9

Yes. Hey, guys. I wanted to ask About an earlier question that was asked about December growth and March growth, I know you said year over year or question was asked in reference to year over year, but did you mean to say that? Or is it possible that those businesses, given the fall off in revenues and units, Is it possible that those businesses could your businesses could also grow sequentially in those timeframe or will they follow seasonal pattern?

Speaker 3

Are you referring to our fiscal 2024 or just announced December and this March,

Speaker 9

Harsh? No, no, fiscal 2024.

Speaker 3

Fiscal 24. It's a little early to comment on that. Certainly, from a year over year standpoint, the comps are relatively easy and it's With the high degree of confidence, we believe we'll be able to grow. The degree to which would determine whether it was sequential or not, think it's a bit premature to comment on. Overall, we still are encouraged by fiscal 2024 and believe that it will be above Fiscal 2023.

Speaker 3

That's

Speaker 9

fair. And then I wanted to ask about your gross margins. Your revenues came down for the guidance for March, but your margins are kind of hanging in there. You mentioned a couple of things, small things, The 80 basis points and 30 basis points issues, but what's the reason why your margins are able to hang in here?

Speaker 3

I think generally speaking, if I look back over the productivity gains that we've made over multiple years, We're still seeing those in our margins today, even though the volumes aren't in the factories. 900 Plus basis points of headwind from underutilization is significant. I don't want to understate that. But in terms of productivity and The work that our operational teams have done is really speaking to the strength of those gains and our ability to hold margins at 40%.

Speaker 9

Fair enough, guys. That's it for me. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Bhush.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question is from Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 15

Great. Thank you. You talked about the changes to your foundry agreements. Can you just speak generally to the cost of foundry wafers? Do you see that continuing to rise?

Speaker 15

And if so, are you able to pass that through to your customers? And if it reverses, do you anticipate having to pass declines on to your customers? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Joe. And actually with some of the capacity freeing up, we're not seeing the increases Look, I know we saw some of that earlier last year, last calendar year, earlier in the year. So we're not seeing it. In some cases, to your point, We have been able to pass that on to our customers. And again, as we've always said, pricing set by the competition.

Speaker 2

If we all raise prices, we all get an increase. If We all don't. We don't get an increase. So we've been able to pass some of that along. But as Grant pointed out, the inflation is impacting us And our COGS about 80 bps, so we're not able to pass it all along.

Speaker 2

But there's other inflation in there, not just foundry parts.

Speaker 15

Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Joe.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question is from Atif Malik with Citi. Please proceed with your question.

Speaker 12

Hi, thank you for taking my question. I have one clarification and one question. When you guys talk about channel inventories to normalize later this calendar year, Are you talking about China Android or total Android or total smartphone?

Speaker 5

Well, we're talking about total smartphone, inventories, but even some of the other markets that we mentioned earlier in one of the previous questions. Got it. We see elevated inventories, not just in smartphones, but we see it in a lot of the other markets as well.

Speaker 12

But when are you expecting China Android inventories to normalize?

Speaker 5

All depends on how well the phones sell through in the end market. Like I said, January early indications in January are that's improving. If that continues through February, March and into calendar Q2, then of course that inventory is going to be burned off much more quickly. We're not forecasting that. We want to see that sustained before we get too excited about that.

Speaker 12

Understood. And then is it possible to break out or comment on how big the silicon carbide Our device business is as a percentage of HPA sales?

Speaker 2

Yes. We haven't given that information. What I can We're very pleased with the acquisition. And I think when we I know when we file our Q, you'll see why I say that. But it's been a tremendous acquisition, but I'm sorry we haven't sized it.

Speaker 2

It's probably bigger than what most people think and smaller than what some other people think. But We haven't given any of that revenue out yet, but we're very pleased with it. It's profitable and it's doing a fine job.

Speaker 12

Thanks, Bob.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

And our next question is from Ambrish Srivasthava with BMO Capital Markets, please proceed with your question.

Speaker 16

Hi. Thank you. I just had one question, Grant. Thanks for providing that down 20% comment. I'm just struggling with how does it help us.

Speaker 16

And I ask with reference to what are we talking about? Are we talking days, months? What is normal level and I know it's harder in the more diversified areas, but in the handset side, you should be able to Kind of quantify and tell us, all right, at the peak, it was X weeks, X months, and here we are. And then we think If there's some kind of normal pattern, this is what normal level looks like.

Speaker 2

Yes. I think that's a great question, Ambrish. The Issue always is when you look at your days of inventory in the channel, you have to understand what's the sell out. And so far, and I think I said this last quarter as well, when we work with our customers, we go through all the math, they reduce their production, we reduce ours. And unfortunately, Their sellout has been lower.

Speaker 2

So you have to look at it. Now again, Dave's mentioned a couple of times on the call, The 1st 3 weeks so far in January, at least we can speak to the data that we get and I think all of you get, the actual sell out is up and that's a good sign. But we're not going to get into the game of naming numbers like this because it all depends on the future output of what they sell out. So We've got a little ways to go. That's why I think we're being careful on our comments around June.

Speaker 2

We feel very good about September. So we roughly think it's in that timeframe.

Speaker 16

So handset inventory cleaned out by September and the rest, as you said, others will take longer. Your best guess at this point is by December that should clean out as well, right?

Speaker 2

Well, we've got different parts of the business. In the WiFi area, it's going to follow because We're in a lot of the Android phones with our Wi Fi products. It will follow more of what I said for the handsets. Then Wi Fi, that's in some of the retail and Some of the industrial applications, things like that, that may take a little bit longer. We don't always get a good read there.

Speaker 2

It's a smaller part of our market, not as much data is published. But I think on the infrastructure side, what Dave talked about, that is going to take a little bit longer. The area of our power management That goes into the SSDs and that's a call on the PC market. So you guys follow that. We'll see how that goes.

Speaker 2

So It's going to be all different ones, but the major part of our business is the handsets, as you know, and I think we're giving you as much color as we can as we project forward.

Speaker 16

Yes, got it. Appreciate it. Thank you, guys.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.

Speaker 2

We want to thank everyone for joining us on today's call. We look forward to speaking with you at

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference.

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