Pinnacle West Capital Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Pinnacle West is navigating a period of financial reset after an unfavorable rate case decision, with a new rate case hearing set for August 2023 and a focus on rebuilding regulatory relationships under three newly appointed commissioners.
  • Operationally, APS achieved record‐low OSHA injuries, replaced over 800 storm‐damaged poles, maintained resource adequacy amid regional capacity shortages, recorded a 95% summertime availability factor for its non‐nuclear fleet, and hit a 100.2% capacity factor at Palo Verde.
  • APS made significant strides in customer satisfaction, ranking among the most improved utilities in the nation by J.D. Power and advancing into the 2nd quartile for residential and the 1st quartile for business customer satisfaction.
  • The company continues its clean‐energy push, having procured over 2,100 MW of carbon‐free resources since 2020 and issuing an all‐source RFP for an additional 1,000–1,500 MW to be in service between 2025 and 2027.
  • Financially, Q4 2022 EPS was a loss of $0.21 (full‐year EPS $4.26 vs. $5.47 in 2021), and 2023 guidance of $3.95–$4.15/share reflects strong customer growth, 3.5%–5.5% sales growth, higher O&M, benefit and interest expenses, and a $5.3 billion capital plan for 2023–2025.
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Earnings Conference Call
Pinnacle West Capital Q4 2022
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There are 6 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Pinnacle West Capital Corporation 2022 4th Quarter Earnings Call. Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen only mode and the floor will be open for questions and comments after the presentation. Call. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Amanda Ho.

Operator

Ma'am, the floor

Speaker 1

is yours. Thank you, Matt. I would like to thank everyone for Our speakers today will be our Chairman and CEO, Jeff Gollner and our CFO, Andrew Cooper Ted Geisser, APS President Jacob Tezzo, Executive Vice President of Operations and Jose Esparza, Senior Vice President of Public Policy are also here with us. First, I need to cover a few details with you. The slides that we are using are available on our Investor Relations website, along with our earnings release and related information.

Speaker 1

Today's comments and our slides contain forward looking statements based on current expectations, and actual results may differ materially from expectations. Our annual 2022 Form 10 ks was filed this morning. Please refer to that document for forward looking statements, cautionary language as well as the Risk Factors and MD and A section, which identify risks and uncertainties that call. Actual results to differ materially from those contained in our disclosures. A replay of this call will be available shortly on our website for the next 30 days.

Speaker 1

It will also be available by telephone through March 6, 2023. Now, I will turn the call over to Jeff.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Amanda, and thank you all for joining us today. Good morning. In looking back on 2022, it was no doubt one of our most challenging years in recent memory as we faced major headwinds and a financial reset resulting from the outcome of our last rate case. I'm going to provide several updates today and share the we were able to achieve despite the challenges we faced. Coming out of the last rate case, we laid out a comprehensive plan and strategy And we met or exceeded nearly every target we set for ourselves, including delivering strong service reliability to our customers.

Speaker 2

We made significant progress in the last year, but we're not done and we look forward to continuing to execute our plan. Turning now to regulatory. We came out of the last rate case fully committed to improving our regulatory relationships, and we've seen progress as a result of our focus in that area. We received constructive decisions for all key items heard by the previous bench during 2022, including our financing application last December. We started 2023 with 2 new commissioners and a new chair.

Speaker 2

Commissioner Thompson and Commissioner Myers joined the bench in January and Commissioner O'Connor was elected Chairman. We've already seen constructive actions and decisions by the new bench, including the creation of a docket to examine ways to reduce regulatory lag. We believe that these conversations are important and we look forward to working with the commission on thoughtful solutions. For our pending rate case, the administrative law judge issued a procedural order in December outlining the schedule. The first round of staff and intervenor testimony is due in May with the hearing set to commence in early August.

Speaker 2

We look forward to working with the parties and the commission through the rate case process and in gaining additional regulatory clarity. Our number one goal continues to be doing what's right for the people and prosperity of Arizona, which includes working collaboratively with commission and building a more constructive relationship. Turning to the operations side, I want to start by recognizing our field team's exceptional execution in 2022. I'm especially proud of our employees for prioritizing safety and ending the year with significantly lower employee injuries. 3 low energy SIPs and our lowest number of OSHA recordable injuries on record.

Speaker 2

We had one of the most hazardous and damaging summer storm seasons in recent history where we saw a record number of poles damaged. And For context, we replaced over 800 poles, which is about 500 more than an average summer. In addition, while parts of the Southwest region capacity shortages again in 2022, our careful long term planning and resource adequacy allowed us to serve our customers reliably. Additionally, we remain engaged in the Western wholesale market, which allowed us to make off system sales and to create savings for APS customers. Importantly, those off system sales directly benefit APS customers by lowering our overall costs, while helping maintain regional grid stability.

Speaker 2

And finally, our generation units performed extremely well with our non nuclear fleet recording a summertime equivalent availability factor EAF of 95% And we achieved a capacity factor of 100.2% at the Pal Verde generating station. We recognize the importance of creating customer value and remain focused on improving our customer experience. Our employees are committed to putting customers first and working towards our goal of achieving an industry leading best in class customer experience. As a result of this commitment, we made extraordinary progress on that front in 2022 with APS earning ratings from its customers making it among the most improved utilities in the nation for both residential and business customer satisfaction measured by J. D.

Speaker 2

Power. Compared to 20 '21, APS achieved quartile gains in every single driver of residential and business customer satisfaction, firmly lifting company into the 2nd quartile nationally for residential customers and the 1st quartile nationally for business customers. Consequently, overall satisfaction is now well above industry benchmarks when compared to the company's large investor owned peers. We also continue to make progress on our resource procurement and clean energy commitment. Since announcing our goal to reach 100% clean carbon free energy by 2,050 3 years ago, We procured over 2,100 megawatts of clean and affordable energy resources.

Speaker 2

Additionally, as previously We issued an all source RFP last year for another 1000 to 1500 megawatts of new resources to be in service from 2025 to 2027. And we continue to work through finalizing procurement decisions from that RFP. These substantial investments are essential resources designed to help us keep pace with Arizona's tremendous growth. At the same time, electricity capacity markets are tightening across the entire West. Looking forward, our goals for 2023 include continuously improving our customer communication and engagement, achieving a constructive outcome in our pending rate case and reliably serving customers through the tremendous growth in our service territory.

Speaker 2

And I want to once again recognize the near term headwinds that are created by the favorable outcome of our previous rate case and how it will continue to make 2023 challenging. However, we believe in our ability to provide long term value to both customers and shareholders, and we look forward to executing our plan and continuing our proven cost management efforts all. We get to the backdrop of Arizona's extraordinary economic expansion. So I want to thank you for your time today. I'm going to turn the call over to Andrew, who will talk about our and full year 2022 earnings and our forward looking financial expectations.

Speaker 2

Andrew?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jeff, and thanks again to everyone for joining us today. This morning, we reported our 4th quarter and full year financial results for 2022 and introduced guidance for 2023. I will cover our results and provide additional details around the financial outlook for 2023 and beyond. As Jeff discussed, we remain in our period of financial reset during the near term. But right upfront, I want to be clear that while we are navigating through challenges brought on by the negative outcome of the last rate case, we have been executing well on our plan And we remain confident in our ability to create renewed growth and deliver strong shareholder returns.

Speaker 3

For the Q4 of 2022, We lost $0.21 per share, down 0.45 times compared to Q4 2021. The unfavorable rate case decision reduction in net income from no longer deferring the costs related to the 4 quarters SCR and OpExcel modernization project have been the primary driver of lower results all year and that remained the case for the 4th quarter. The quarter also included a $17,100,000 impairment charge relating to a Bright Canyon Energy Equity Investment. This was a legacy investment by Bright Canyon for a minority stake in a wind farm. In the Q4, we determined that impairment of the investment was appropriate due to ongoing disputes on transmission cost allocation and a lack of a probable favorable outcome.

Speaker 3

Other negative impacts included lower LSCR revenues, higher O and M and higher interest expense. Favorable weather and customer and sales growth were partial offsets of the negative drivers in the 4th quarter. For our full year results for 2022, We earned $4.26 per share, down from $5.47 per share in 2021. We ended the year in line with our updated full year guidance. As noted earlier, the negative breakage outcome drove a financial reset and is the primary driver for the lower year over year results.

Speaker 3

The Bright Canyon impairment charge, higher O and M and higher interest expense were other negative drivers for lower year over year results. For the year, we saw beneficial weather as well as customer and sales growth that partially offset the negative drivers. Turning to customer growth, the 4th quarter remained in line with our guidance at 2.1%, which was also the customer growth rate for the full year. Arizona continues to be a popular destination for relocation and have the 5th highest population growth in 2022, According to recent data from the U. S.

Speaker 3

Census Bureau, Arizona has continued to show strong employment growth, including in emerging areas of economic diversification With manufacturing employment, for example, growing 6.2% in 2022 as compared to a U. S. Rate of 3.8%. We also continue to experience strong weather normalized sales growth. Sales increased 1.2% in the 4th quarter relative to the prior year.

Speaker 3

And for the full year 2022, our weather normalized sales growth was 2.4%, in line with our upwardly revised guidance range. This was anchored by strong C and I growth of 4.6 percent over 2021 as the benefits of Arizona's increasingly diversified economy are realized. In fact, Phoenix Metro was recently named a top 3 industrial market to watch in 2023 according to a JLL tenant demand study that evaluated 60 U. S. Markets.

Speaker 3

Moving on to our financial outlook. Our 2023 earnings guidance range is $3.95 to $4.15 per share. Although this is a decline from 2022 actual results, the range is comparable to our weather normalized 2022 guidance range of $3.90 to $4.10 per share. We forecast steady customer growth and robust sales growth ahead in 2023. Headwinds for 2023 include higher benefit expense, interest expense and plant G and A.

Speaker 3

We continue to target declining O and M per megawatt hour I believe our proven track record of cost management and lean initiatives will help us successfully navigate through this inflationary period. We continue to have a strong focus on O and M and look for opportunities to create efficiencies, reduce risk and keep our costs low to maintain affordable rates for our customers. Looking at our forecasted customer growth, we expect it to remain strong and are maintaining the 1.5% to 2.5% guidance range for 2023. On sales growth, we expect continued strength, particularly in the C and I segment as economic diversification gets hold in areas such as semiconductor hubs, other large manufacturing and distribution. In fact, TSMC recently announced plans to build a second fab at the North Phoenix location, increase its original $12,000,000,000 investment to $40,000,000,000 CSMC estimates the site will employ 4,500 permanent jobs, increase from the earlier projection of 2,000.

Speaker 3

In addition, Procter and Gamble also announced plans for $500,000,000 investments in the manufacturing facility, creating 500 new jobs. Anchored by examples like these, we're expecting our weather normalized sales growth range to be 3.5% to 5.5% for 2023. Turning to pension. As a reminder, our pension is 106% funded With no expectation for contributions needed in the near term, we remain committed to the long term benefits of our liability driven investment strategy and the reduced volatility of our fixed income weighted portfolio. Nevertheless, we are expecting a headwind in 2023, primarily resulting from the net effect of higher discount rates.

Speaker 3

Higher benefit expense in 2023 is also impacted by negative 2022 investment returns as partially offset by the impact of higher expense returns on assets in 2023. All in, we expect benefit expense to be $0.33 headwind for 2023 as compared to 2022. However, we continue to evaluate options for regulatory recovery of higher benefit expense. Turning to interest expense, as the Federal Reserve continues to raise interest rates to try to combat inflation, We're closely monitoring our financing needs. I would highlight that we do not have any maturities until mid-twenty 24, and we do expect higher interest expense year over year.

Speaker 3

We have also updated our capital plan to $5,300,000,000 from 2023 to 2025 with rate base growth at an average annual growth rate of 5% to 7%. Importantly, the increase in CapEx is independent of any rate case outcome and is directly related to loan growth and the needed investments we're making in more resilient infrastructure. This update is needed simply to keep up with that growth and reliably serve customers. We have also updated our financing plan to meet the demands of our updated capital plan. We are continuing to defer any equity issuance is a resolution of the current rate case and remain focused on achieving a constructive regulatory outcome.

Speaker 3

The rest of our financial outlook remains consistent. Our outlook includes long term earnings growth of 5% to 7%, off the midpoint of our weather normalized 2022 guidance range. We have a track record of dividend growth and the Board recently raised our quarterly dividend to $0.865 per share. While our current payout ratio is higher than our target, We believe our plan will allow us to achieve our long term dividend payout ratio of 65% to 75% in the future, call. Recognizing that all future dividends are subject to approval by our Board.

Speaker 3

We have a path forward that essentially has our long term track record of constructive rate case outcomes Our robust service territory growth, continued balance sheet strength and cost discipline and a focused management team that is taking action.

Speaker 4

We look forward to building

Speaker 3

on the great work we were able to accomplish in 2022 and executing on this plan in 2023. This concludes our prepared remarks. I'll now turn the call back over to the operator for questions. Certainly.

Speaker 5

Call.

Operator

Call. Call. Your first question is coming from Julien Dumoulin Smith from Bank of America. Your line is live.

Speaker 4

Hi, good morning. This is Darius on for Julian. Just starting off, I wanted to touch on the financing plan a little bit, recognizing that you won't need equity or won't be issuing equity until after the current rate case. Can you just maybe help us think about How are you looking at future equity needs beyond the tendency of the rate case in 2024 and 2025, in particular in the context of this higher capital plan?

Speaker 3

Sure, Darius. This is Andrew. As you noted, we do have an equity need in the plan there, that $400,000,000 to $500,000,000 of equity in 2024. And that's really set up to make sure that the APS equity layer is appropriately capitalized Coming out of the rate case given some of the debt that weren't for any EPS in the near term, any future equity needs will really be dependent on The capital plan that we developed after the rate case concludes. As I mentioned earlier, the capital that we've added to the plan here is really dependent on low growth and serving the service territory as it expands.

Speaker 3

Once we get through the rate case and think about, for example, our clean capital spend, that will be an area where as we With a constructive outcome, consider a different ratio of self build versus PPA assets. Will look at the financing plan at that point to make a determination. We'll also be looking for feedback from the rating agencies on our credit metrics at the conclusion of the rate case to Figure out the right capital plan for the years beyond 2024. But as of now, the need for 2024 that $400,000,000 to $500,000,000 post the rate guidance is intact.

Speaker 4

Excellent. Thank you. And maybe if I could touch on the robust loan growth forecast that you guys have out there and then you update this morning. Can you maybe just discuss a little bit about what your level of visibility is on The contribution to that load growth other than TSMC, I know you mentioned a couple of other large customers coming online over this period. And also within the context of your 5% to 7% EPS CAGR, can you maybe discuss how much, if any delays could be absorbed to the large CSMC project that would still allow you to maintain that 5% to 7% within this forecast period?

Speaker 3

Sure, Darius. So the forecast is driven by a diversified group of Manufacturing, data center customers and some of the overall CI growth that we're seeing in the service territory. It's a pretty different economic story than it's been in the past as far as the factors contributing to growth here. We're not really depending on the broader macroeconomic story as much as specifically identified customers, which include TSMC and it's a considerable part of that 2% to 4% Of the 3.5% to 5.5% that is from the large customers, TSMC is a considerable part of that, but there was data set customers and other manufacturing there as well. So it's pretty diversified on that front.

Speaker 3

That 5% to 7% earnings growth rate is through 2026 And that's pretty much coterminous. The sales growth rate, the long term sales growth rate that we have here is through 2025, But roughly similar trends through that forecast period. And as you've seen even in 2022, That sales growth is certainly helping us to mitigate the inflation and some of the O and M pressure that we're seeing. And we'll continue to work both those cost levers and keep a close eye on the macroeconomic environment and these specific customers as well as we go through the forecast period.

Speaker 4

Okay, great. Well, thank you for that detail. Looking

Operator

call. Your next question is coming from Shahriar Pourreza from Guggenheim.

Speaker 5

Call. Let me ask you, so Jeff, you historically have said that you're under investing in APS

Speaker 4

by maybe roughly a $200,000,000 to $300,000,000 per year. Is that still the case? I mean, obviously, from your prepared remarks, sounds like the $600,000,000 you guys just bumped

Speaker 5

up in CapEx is sort of agnostic to APS and base level spending, but I'm just kind of curious if you take this increase layered in

Speaker 4

with what you said that you've under invested in the system, do we sort of think about the 2 together?

Speaker 2

Yes. And Shar, I wouldn't say we've underinvested in the system. I mean, as you know, we've been keeping up with what we need to Invest in for load growth where the opportunity is around the generation side And where there are opportunities, particularly now with the tax credit framework that the IRA has set up, There are opportunities for us to do more optimized mix of self build. Obviously, it wouldn't be 100% Utility owned, but we're doing probably what we enter in the 25% range of utility owned. We're a more Rational, I think if we could do it, it would be in the 50% range, so that we're actually being able to maximize the benefit of those tax credits for customers.

Speaker 2

So A lot of this opportunity is really going to depend on how the rate case outcome goes. We've got the clean tracker proposal that would take our renewable energy adjustment charge and allow us to again flow through some of those clean investments. And if we can do that, then we get to a more optimized mix of utility owned versus PPA, solar and storage Primarily is what I think you would expect to see. But a lot of what you're seeing is just the investment that we have to make for load growth. Yes.

Speaker 2

So I think what you're getting at is that there's an ability to further optimize that after the rate case and looking at that mix of generation. But we're going to invest what we need to invest in the poles and wires and the infrastructure to serve customers.

Speaker 5

Got it. Yes, I was just more curious on that 200,000,000 to 300,000,000 Before in the past and how that correlates with the CapEx increase today. Just on the CapEx increase, What does that sort of put you around that 5% to 7% rate base growth range to get out there now? The $600,000,000

Speaker 3

Yes. So that you saw the upper end of that rate base Growth number come up with the update and that's really the result. There is a much narrower range of rate base growth with the prior forecast, Shar. And you can think about it as more expanded range. I don't think there's a Broader range of uncertainty just with the CapEx we have in there more of an opportunity.

Speaker 3

You've seen some of the timing move around in our capital. Jeff was talking about our clean spend, you've seen some of those buckets move from 2024 into 2025 with the addition of the 2025 forecast. So there's some timing Around some of our capital investments and some of the decisions we need to make, but that's really been the main thing is the increase in the Range driven by the higher CapEx forecast.

Speaker 5

Got it. Okay. And then just lastly, if the Court of Appeals were to rule

Speaker 4

in favor regarding the Four Corners SCRs and

Speaker 5

that Coachella projects. What would that look like, I guess, from an EPS standpoint in Would it be retroactive? And what would the incremental EPS be going forward since you only obviously report GAAP results? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Sure. So any decision at the Court of Appeals, If it were positive, the decision would be remade to the commission for further actions. There wouldn't be really anything done retroactively. All I can really give

Speaker 2

you sort of the rule

Speaker 3

of thumb, you're talking about roughly $200,000,000 disallowance and capital structure that's in the fifty-fifty range, apply an ROE to that and that kind of gives you the rough EPS impact beginning to recover on that. The timing of that would be dependent on future action of the ACC if there were a positive outcome.

Speaker 5

Yes. I'm sure

Speaker 2

I remember too that there may be a further appeal. So the court appeals, if they issue a ruling, If it goes in our favor, I can see the Sierra Club taking that up and seeking Supreme Court review, so that could add some additional time on. But ultimately, as Andrew said, it's going to end up back commission.

Speaker 5

Okay. Perfect. That's fantastic. I'll see

Speaker 3

you guys soon. Appreciate it. Yes. Thanks, Sharon. Thanks, Sharon.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Anthony Crudell from Mizuho. Your line is live.

Speaker 5

Good morning. Thanks so much for taking my questions. Just a couple of them. First off, anything management could do to help mitigate and pension expense?

Speaker 3

Sure, Anthony. It's Andrew. As I mentioned, we're going to look at all of the options including around Regulatory recovery. Our priority in the rate case is a constructive outcome and we'll look at When we go into a rebuttal strategy, one of the various levers that we need to think about in what a constructive outcome looks like, but it's not the only lever and it's not the only cost that

Speaker 2

we've got to deal with. So there's certainly precedent where there's

Speaker 3

a split test here to look at on pension expense from what is now a historical period. And that's something that we'll consider as one of our options in the last week as we average the 2 years Surrounding split test here, but regulatory recovery remains one path that we continue to look at. But then of course, any of the levers we have around our other costs, O and M, interest expense, all the things that we can do there to make sure that we meet our forecast. That's really the focus. As I said earlier, we're committed to the pension strategy.

Speaker 3

20 22, All asset classes for the most part face losses and discount rates were not precipitously. So we're just we're living with the reality of that and mitigating as best we can.

Speaker 5

Great. And if I could jump on Shar's, I believe it was a question Shar had asked about. I think you're looking for more clarity from the rate case where you potentially may see more clean generation spending. Is it just comes down to The clean track of proposal needs approval. Is that what investors should be focused on to see if we do get more clean generation spend?

Speaker 2

No, Anthony, it's more I think it's a little more than that. I mean, it really is looking certainly a clean tracker, Particularly as a potential vehicle to give the tax credit attributes Back to customers in a more contemporary manner. I mean that makes a lot of sense to us as a way to optimize the getting a little bit more utility Utility owned generation in the mix, but it's going to be the overall framework that really drives what we do, right? Like we'll look at the results of the case and figure out how we optimize the mix of both the PPA and then the utility owned Generation and storage resources. And so can't really flag what that looks like here, but we have opportunity, I think you're getting more optimized mix for customers than we're seeing now and just because of the last rate case, we are not able to do utility owned Assets at the levels that we think is product optimal.

Speaker 5

Great. And just lastly, From the disallowances on the coal CapEx and it's currently an appeal, did the company get recovery of the operating expenses associated with what the capital that was disallowed. I'm sure there's additional capital running these SCRs. Do you recover the expenses associated with that? Whereas If you do prevail in the appeal court, but that also could be a potential tailwind in earnings?

Speaker 3

Yes, Andy, we did get recovery on the comp. And in fact, you can see Results year over year impacted by those costs kind of coming into our income statement without offsetting revenues. So What you really see, if there were a positive outcome would be the recovery on the investments in there alongside the cost.

Speaker 5

Great. Thanks for taking my question. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks, Anthony.

Operator

Thank you. Call. Your next question is coming from Nick Campanella from Credit Suisse. Your line is live.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning, everyone.

Speaker 2

Hi, Nick.

Speaker 4

Hey. So I guess just starting on 23 drivers, What was just the driver of the lower tax rate? I think it's 10% versus last year's closer to 14%. Can you just update us on that?

Speaker 3

I think the lower effective tax rate has Yes, kind of there's a combination of factors in the lower overall tax rate. And there's There's a variety of puts and takes in there around tax credits and the like.

Speaker 4

Okay. So possibly just tax credit driven. And then on your just credit outlook, I think you kind of mentioned in the deck 16% to 18% range. Where did you end the year? And then What's the feedback from the agencies then in terms of what are they looking for moving on the negative outlook?

Speaker 4

And Is it GRC related? Is it numbers related? And what's your willingness to defend the BIAX rating here if you have to?

Speaker 3

Yes, Nick. So the agencies will calculate, and I don't think they've all put out how they view the FFO to that number at year end. The 16% to 18% is sized around where the agencies would like us to be today. You saw both Moody's and Fitch this month Reaffirm their current outlook, their current ratings as well as the negative outlook. And you could take a look at their positions, but ultimately absent some exogenous factor, they're really looking to see The rate case outcomes made a determination about the ratings and any future change they'd make to the downgrade Thresholds.

Speaker 3

We're committed to that 16% to 18%. That's what keeps us in our to the last part of your question, that's what keeps us in our current category. You've got Moody's with an 18% threshold right now and S and P with a 70% 17% to keep us at our current rating and returns stable, 13% for a downgrade, but they are 1 notch lower right now. And so We use that 16% to 18% target to keep to the current ratings. We'll have to see, as I said, after the rate case of the rating agencies readjust at all What the targets are for that, right?

Speaker 4

Okay. And then just one last one for me. In your prepared remarks You kind of mentioned this regulatory lag docket. What's the outcome that stakeholders are trying to solve for here? And what are some of the mechanisms you're exploring, if you can maybe update us on that?

Speaker 2

Yes, Nick. I think it was just more of an indication Of the new commissioners coming in, I think both of which had indicated that they don't like being one of the lowest, if not the lowest rated commission in the U. S. From like RRA. And so this was an effort to begin to talk about the things like for test years and other things that you typically see discussed in other jurisdictions.

Speaker 2

So it's a little early to see exactly what will come from it. I think again the Phone is good because it's an indication of there is benefit to customers from having a Good performing utility. I think we saw that come out loud and clear after the last rate case outcome. And I think that's a recognition of let's talk about in a public stakeholder driven way what some of those mechanisms are. So I think that's a positive sign, but It's pretty early in the process right now.

Speaker 4

All right. Well, thanks so much for answering my questions.

Speaker 2

Yes. You bet, Nick.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes our Q and A session. Everyone, this concludes today's event. You may disconnect at this time and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.

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