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Earnings HistoryForecast NiSource EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.50Consensus EPS $0.49Beat/MissBeat by +$0.01One Year Ago EPS$0.39NiSource Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.70 billionExpected Revenue$1.56 billionBeat/MissBeat by +$149.12 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ANiSource Announcement DetailsQuarterQ4 2022Date2/22/2023TimeBefore Market OpensConference Call DateWednesday, February 22, 2023Conference Call Time11:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Annual Report (10-K)SEC FilingEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by NiSource Q4 2022 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrFebruary 22, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 12 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00My name is Chris, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I'd like Speaker 100:00:03to welcome everyone to the Q4 2022 NiSource Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Thank you. Chris Turnure, Director of Investor Relations, you may begin. Speaker 200:00:30Good morning, and welcome to the NiSource 4th quarter 2022 Investor Call. Joining me today are Chief Executive Officer, Lloyd Yates Chief Financial Officer, Donald Brown Senior Vice President, Strategy and Chief Risk Officer, Sean Anderson and Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer, Randy Hulen. The purpose of this presentation is to review NiSource's financial performance for the Q4 of 2022 as well as provide an update on our operations and growth drivers. Following our prepared remarks, we'll open the call to your questions. Slides for today's call are available in the Investor Relations section of our website. Speaker 200:01:08We would like to remind you that some of the statements made during this presentation will be forward looking. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the statements. Information concerning such risks and uncertainties is included in the MD and A and Risk Factors sections of our periodic SEC filings. Additionally, information on the most directly comparable GAAP measure and a reconciliation of these measures. I'd now like to turn the call over to Luke. Speaker 300:01:47Thanks, Chris. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. By the end of the call, I want to leave you with 3 takeaways about our business and our future. I'd like to reiterate our confidence, progress and focus. Our confidence in our strategic plan And our strong progress in delivering on our commitment. Speaker 300:02:11Our progress on our regulatory initiatives, including pursuing a potential settlement And our focus on realizing the upside potential beyond our existing plan. We will touch on some of these incremental investment opportunities later in today's presentation. Turning to our performance. 2022 was a year of relentless and consistent execution by our team. Among the keys to our success in 2022 was our comprehensive business review. Speaker 300:02:46We believe the goals we laid out at our Investor They are both significant and achievable, and we will measure our progress against our premium utility growth plan each quarter. Our results this quarter and in 2022 were strong and demonstrate that we are off to a great start in the execution of our plan. We delivered earnings above our 2022 guidance and are raising our 2023 guidance. We also grew our dividend 6.4%. We remain on track to drive shareholder value through a compelling 9% to 11% total Shareholder return. Speaker 300:03:25At Investor Day, we committed to optimizing our cost profile and enhancing operational efficiency. We're doing that by transforming both our IT systems and the work processes they support. Behind processes and technology are people. I want to thank each of our employees for their performance throughout 2022 and a deep commitment to serving our customers. Let's turn to Slide 5 of the presentation and take a closer look at our 2022 key achievements. Speaker 300:03:58NiSource's 2022 earnings exceeded our guidance range. We delivered $1.47 non GAAP Diluted NOEPS. That's up more than 7% from last year. Speaker 400:04:11It reflects our continued investment in Speaker 300:04:13safety, Reliability, customer affordability and sustainability. Looking to 2023, We've increased our guidance range to $1.54 to $1.60 per share. This reflects our outperformance in 2022 And confidence in 2023 execution. We're reaffirming our expectation of a 6% to 8% annual NOE EPS growth Through 2027 as well as our annual 8% to 10% rate base growth. Slide 6 illustrates 2023 guidance and our commitment to Grow 6% to 8% annually through 2027. Speaker 300:04:55Driving this top tier growth are investments of $15,000,000,000 in regulated CapEx From 2023 through 2027, a high level summary of which you can see on Slide 7. Looking out further, we continue to expect to invest $30,000,000,000 from 2023 to 2,032. As I alluded to earlier, execution by our regulatory teams continues to be a strength. In 2022, We filed 4 rate cases and resolved 3 in Pennsylvania, Maryland and the Indiana gas case. In addition, the Ohio rate case concluded last month. Speaker 300:05:37These cases represent balanced outcomes supporting all stakeholders. Turning to Page 8, we have the following key priorities for 2023. 1st, Continue to enhance our focus on safety and operational excellence. 2nd, the successful sale of our minority interest in NIPSCO To strengthen our balance sheet. Next, a balanced outcome in the NIPSCO electric rate case, which we will cover in a few moments. Speaker 300:06:104th, driving efficiencies to achieve flat O and M spending to enhance customer affordability. These efforts will keep our customer rates sustainable with expected total annual rate increases that are in line with inflation. And finally, our commitment to delivering on our 2023 guidance. These are the priorities that we will keep top of mind throughout the year. On Slide 9, you will see the additional investment opportunities NiSource may pursue in both near and long term. Speaker 300:06:44NiSource's investment opportunities include replacing pre-nineteen 85 plastic gas pipes as well as gas In addition, Electric generation tax credit transferability and advanced gas metering infrastructure also represent attractive opportunities For NiSource in the near term, beyond 2027, we see the need to add electric generation capacity in the marketplace And to enhance electric grid hardening. MISO electric long range transmission projects, electric transportation renewable gas infrastructure And hydrogen production hubs also make up long term and large scale projects we will seek to participate in to enhance our investment portfolio And drive greater value for our customers. Now let's turn to Page 10 to review some 4th quarter And recent highlights from gas distribution operations. Columbia Gas of Ohio received an order accepting the settlement in its rate case on January 26. The order includes a revenue increase of $68,200,000 net of riders. Speaker 300:08:00New rates will be effective on March 1. The settlement in our Pennsylvania rate case was approved in December. It enables continued investments in replacement of aging pipe And system upgrades needed to ensure service reliability and pipeline safety. New rates went into effect December 17. Finally, Columbia Gas of Maryland received an order in November approving its rate case settlement. Speaker 300:08:28The settlement supports the company's continued investments in infrastructure replacement and system upgrades. Now For updates on our electric operations and renewables projects, I'd like to turn it over to Sean Anderson. Speaker 500:08:43Thank you, Lloyd, and good morning, everyone. You'll find information about our electric operations on Slide 11. NIPSCO is actively working with stakeholders Toward a settlement in its electric rate case, its first since 2018. New rates are anticipated to take effect in September 2023 With an incremental rate step applied in 2024. Meanwhile, the company remains on track to support a reliable generation portfolio And to retire all coal fired generation by the end of 2028 with new assets, predominantly wind and solar facilities coming online. Speaker 500:09:24All of the renewable generation projects remain on target with previously revised in service dates. The construction underway at Indiana Crossroads Solar and Dunsbridge Solar 1 is nearing completion, With both facilities projected to be in service in the first half of twenty twenty three. Also under construction, The Indiana Crossroads II wind project continues to pace the start of commercial operations by the end of 2023. We have entered into contract amendments for our Duns Bridge II, Cavalry and Fairbanks projects To address our previously communicated project completion dates and to reflect market pressures on pricing, both Duns Bridge 2 and Cavalry projects Have begun initial construction with activities ramping into full construction this spring. We continue to evaluate the provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act and its applicability to the projects in our generation portfolio, Including the potential application of tax transferability, along with the enhanced tax credits provided for in the act, We believe the legislation has enabled opportunities to drive greater value to both our customers and shareholders while advancing our remaining projects. Speaker 500:10:46It is important to note that the application of all tax credits is analyzed on a project by project basis And is impacted by various factors such as capital costs and the expected production of the asset. Meanwhile, NIPSCO is in active commercial negotiations with potential counterparties to fulfill the preferred portfolio outlined in its 2021 Integrated Resource Plan. Project agreements resulting from the All Sources RFP As well as the targeted gas peaking RFP at Schafer Generating Station are expected to be announced this summer. Additional work continues around capturing direct and indirect funding opportunities from all of the federal legislation passed recently. Most notably, the nearly $500,000,000,000 generated from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and the Inflation Reduction Act. Speaker 500:11:44We have been active in several hydrogen hub proposals across our territory, each of which have received encouragement from the DOE to submit a full application for the regional clean hydrogen hub funding opportunity announcement as designated And the Bipartisan Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, I'd like to close by confirming we are on track To achieve our industry leading environmental impact targets, namely a 90% reduction in Scope 1 greenhouse gas emissions from 2,005 levels by 2,030. This progress is consistent with the reductions needed to achieve our goal Of net 0 Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions by 2,040, which we announced in November. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Donald, who will discuss our financial performance in more detail. Speaker 400:12:40Thanks, Sean, and good morning, everyone. Turning to our Q4 2022 results on Slide 13. 4th quarter non GAAP net operating earnings were $221,000,000 or $0.50 per share compared to $167,000,000 or $0.39 per share in the Q4 2021. Full year earnings were $648,000,000 or $1.47 per share compared to $571,000,000 or $1.37 per share in 2021. Taking a closer look at our 4th quarter segment non GAAP results on Slide 14. Speaker 400:13:20Gas distribution operating earnings were $288,000,000 in the 4th quarter, an increase of $72,000,000 versus the same quarter last year. Operating revenues net of the cost of energy and tracked expenses were higher by $66,000,000 mainly due to new rates resulting from base rate cases and regulatory capital programs. Operating expenses, Again, net of the cost of energy and tracked expenses were lower by $6,000,000 due primarily to lower O and M and other taxes. In our electric segment, non GAAP operating earnings for the 4th quarter were $68,000,000 $14,000,000 lower than in the same quarter last year. Operating revenues, net of the cost of energy and tracked expenses, We're lower by $4,000,000 mainly due to slightly lower weather normalized customer usage. Speaker 400:14:17Operating expenses, once again excluding the cost of energy and tracked expenses were higher by $10,000,000 primarily due to increased depreciation and amortization. Now I'd like to briefly touch on our debt and credit profile. Our debt level as of December 31, 2022 was $11,300,000,000 of which $9,600,000,000 was long term debt With a weighted average maturity of 14 years and a weighted average interest rate of 3.7%. At the end of the 4th quarter, we maintained net Available liquidity of over $1,600,000,000 consisting of cash and available capacity under our credit facility and our accounts receivable securitization programs. We remain committed to our current investment grade credit ratings. Speaker 400:15:09Slide 16 highlights our financing strategy and credit commitments. We issued a $1,000,000,000 1 year term loan in December And use the proceeds to reduce our commercial paper balances and the loan bridges the gap into our equity unit remarketing in the fall. Our financing plan includes no block or ATM equity issuances in 2023 or 2024. It's consistent with all of our earnings growth and credit commitments through 2027 and remains unchanged from Investor Day in November. I'd like to highlight that the recent drop in natural gas prices directly reduces our customers' bills over time And reduces the natural gas impact on working capital and financing charges. Speaker 400:16:00At year end 2022, Deferred fuel amounted to roughly 54 basis points of FFO to debt versus 76 basis points at year end 2021. For some context of the impact of higher gas prices over the last 2 years, at year end 2020, Deferred fuel only had a 6 basis point impact on our FFO to debt. In summary, We reported 20.22 EPS of $1.47 exceeding our $1.44 to $1.46 guidance range. We have raised our 2023 guidance to $1.54 to $1.60 an increase of over $0.03 versus our prior midpoint. We're also reiterating our long term growth commitment of 6% to 8% annual NOEPS growth through 2027. Speaker 400:16:56Despite persistent macroeconomic headwinds and volatility, we are advancing key elements of our 5 year plan And we remain focused on safety, reliability, affordability and sustainability. Before we open up the line to answer your questions, I'd like to reiterate our confidence, progress and focus. Our confidence in our strategic plan and our strong progress in delivering on those commitments. Our progress on our regulatory initiatives, including pursuing a potential settlement in the NIPSCO electric rate case and our focus on realizing the upside potential beyond our existing plan. Thank you all for participating today and for your ongoing interest in and support of NiSource. Speaker 400:17:41We're now ready to take your questions. Speaker 500:17:44Thank Speaker 100:17:50you. The first question is from Nicholas Campanella with Credit Suisse. Speaker 600:17:56Your line is open. Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. So I guess just on the NIPSCO rate case and the timeline for potential settlement, would you prospectively want to have that done before the March 13th hearings or just how do we kind of think about the timeline there if you can move to settlement? Thanks. Speaker 300:18:18Good morning, Nick. Lloyd Yates here. So when we think about the NIPSCO rate case, we filed Our rebuttal testimony February 16 and we've already started discussions with the various parties on that rate case. I'm optimistic about settling that rate case. I think that you start thinking about timeline around February 27 if hearings Starting March 13, I think that the timeline is you should expect to see something around the end of February. Speaker 300:18:50If things are progressing, we could history has been to extend those a week or so to get settlement discussions complete. But I think that's the track we're on right now. Speaker 600:19:02That's really helpful. Thanks. And then I guess just on the minority interest sale, can you Just give us a sense, I know in the prepared remarks you said you're on track. What type of demand are you kind of seeing From either financials or strategic? And then how are you kind of framing the timeline for an announcement here? Speaker 600:19:20Do you expect to have something by next quarter? Or just Any additional color would be helpful. Thanks. Speaker 300:19:25So Sean is leading that initiative for the company. I want to let Sean Anderson answer that. Speaker 500:19:32Yes. Thanks, Nick. Appreciate the question. We've observed a broad range of qualified partners, which are positioned to help NIPSCO and NiSource realize its strategic goals. We're confident this is the right audience to evaluate a partnership with NiSource as we laid out in November. Speaker 500:19:46We're also confident the process we've launched will lead us to a successful outcome this year. Speaker 700:19:54All right. Thank you very much. Speaker 100:19:58The next question is from Shar Pourreza with Guggenheim Partners. Your line is open. Speaker 400:20:04Hey guys, good morning. Hey, Wood. Speaker 300:20:06Good morning, Speaker 800:20:07Shar. Just on starting with the CapEx, when you shifted sort of a fair amount of the generation spending From 24 to 23, it looks like you also slightly increased the overall CapEx plan at the same time as sort of the 2023 range moved up more than the 2024 CapEx reduction. Can you maybe just elaborate on this, whether we should treat this as incremental Sort of your overall planning assumptions. Speaker 300:20:36So I would not treat that as incremental. That shift was really for progress payments for our renewable projects. I mean, I think our plan is still as is spending around $3,000,000,000 a year in CapEx is what we're committed to. We feel like we can execute that really, really well, but there's no increase in CapEx at all. Those are just progress payments for the projects. Speaker 800:20:59Got it. And then just a follow-up on Nick's question on the GRC. I guess, how are you sort of thinking about the potential For the coal plant cost recovery mechanism to get approved? Speaker 300:21:12So we're in the middle of conversations. There's been some debate about that mechanism. We think that mechanism is really good for customers. As we shut those coal plants down, that cost goes back to customers immediately. We're in conversations with the various parties about how to make that work. Speaker 300:21:29I'm optimistic that we can do that because I think that's Good for customers and passing that cost back immediately, but I think those are an integral part of the settlement discussions right now. Speaker 800:21:41Got it. Okay, perfect. And then just real quick last week, Donald, I know you sort of mentioned equity, but you threw out the word block in there as well. Just not ATM, but you also mentioned the word block post 2025. Is there any reason to believe like you would come to market with block equity, Especially post this minority sale? Speaker 400:22:03No. And let me correct. I certainly didn't say block. Our financing plan has not Change, it still is that we expect to enter into ATM post 2025 And that's really to keep us in that 14% to 16% FFO to debt range, but no blocks planned or expected at this point in time. Speaker 800:22:26Okay, perfect. Thank you guys so much. Appreciate it. Speaker 100:22:31The next question is from Durgesh Chopra with Evercore ISI. Your line is open. Speaker 900:22:39Hey, team. Good morning. Can you hear me okay? Speaker 300:22:41Good morning, Durgesh. We hear you fine. Speaker 900:22:44Okay, perfect. Thanks. Sorry. Hey, just Donald, thank you for sharing details On the deferred fuel and impact to your credit metrics. But maybe can you talk about the customer bill implications? Speaker 900:22:59And when could we sort of see the lower gas prices flow through your customer builds? And I know it's different states are different, but just at a very high level, Speaker 400:23:15Gas prices including today we're seeing NYMEX March price around $2 or below $2 So That's great impact for our customers. As we look at it, we're expecting probably a 20% to 25% decrease in customer bills 23% versus 2022. So really good outcome. Speaker 900:23:42That's super helpful. Thank you. And then just maybe I just want to switch gears and see if you could give us any additional color. On the Updated this is Slide 9 now, I'm on the near term opportunities and CapEx. Any way that you can size The overall CapEx dollars we are talking about here in terms of your overall capital plan, how How should we think about that? Speaker 900:24:07Any color you can share there, whether it's increased ownership of the generation assets, AMI, etcetera, etcetera? Speaker 300:24:14So I guess we realize, I mean those opportunities are out there. We don't have a size for those opportunities yet. I think as we get closer to those opportunities and know more about the pre-nineteen 85 plastic pipe Or MISO issue in new transmission opportunities, we'll be able to size it then. But as soon as we can size it, we'll let you guys know about it. Thanks. Speaker 900:24:36I understand it. Thank you. And maybe just one quick one real quick. On the timing itself, Sean, at Analyst Day Last year, you guys might have suggested a mid year announcement on the assets. Is that Still on NIPSCO sale, is that still on track? Speaker 900:24:54Or we've seen some of your peers who are trying to sell some renewable assets shift their timeline? Speaker 500:25:01Yes. Thanks for the question. The timeline has not changed. We still expect to be able to complete this in 2023. And as you can imagine, we're still early days In the process itself, so we'll be able to provide updates along the way when it's appropriate to do so. Speaker 900:25:15Thanks, guys. Appreciate the time. Speaker 100:25:20The next question is from Travis Miller with Morningstar. Your line is open. Speaker 700:25:25Good morning, everyone. Thank you. Speaker 300:25:28Good morning. Speaker 700:25:29Just following up on that, the idea of the timing on the sale. I imagine you have to get the rate case either settled or concluded before that sale. Is that correct? Is there is that a gating factor essentially For making that financing move? Speaker 500:25:48These are really 2 separate processes and we believe both can proceed as we've laid out today. Speaker 700:25:54Okay. So not necessary conclusion on the rate case before you could have a transaction done? Speaker 500:26:02That's correct. Speaker 700:26:03Okay. And then separately, obviously, some good moves on the gas Saad, what's your thought in terms of cadence given the different regulatory mechanisms you have and the CapEx plan in terms of General rate cases or base rate cases at the gas businesses, what's your sense on timing of that going forward? Speaker 400:26:25Yes, great question. If you look at our history, we're typically in every 2 to 3 years in most jurisdictions. We're actually coming off a pretty heavy year last year where we were in 5 rate cases, Ohio, Indiana, New rates in 2022 Virginia, Kentucky and Maryland. So last year was a pretty heavy year. But if you look at our history, Maryland's almost every year, PA is almost every year and then the other states typically every 2 to 3 Speaker 700:27:02Okay. And then that cadence to continue roughly? Speaker 400:27:06Yes. We're evaluating Pennsylvania, But I'd say otherwise, it's every 2 to 3 years on other states. Speaker 700:27:13Okay, great. Appreciate it. That's all I had. Speaker 100:27:19The next question is from Ryan Levine with Citi. Your line is open. Speaker 1000:27:23Good morning. In your prepared remarks, if I heard correctly, there was some mention of revised contracts for select renewable projects. Can you unpack the materiality of these changes and what remaining risks do you see from a timeline execution standpoint? Speaker 500:27:41Yes. Thanks, Ryan. Appreciate the question. As you can imagine, we're still working through the process. So we still consider these contract amendments confidential. Speaker 500:27:50But the one thing I'd say is that we will work forward with our partners in the appropriate filings with the commission to Move these forward, we're talking about the 4 remaining projects that are not substantively under construction, apart from those that are already in service. The market has seen increases in costs in the 10% to 25% range. What we've seen is consistent with that. And we've also been able to benchmark that off of the most recent RFP in August of 2022. We feel good about the value proposition that these projects still provide to our customers in Northwest Indiana and we'll proceed accordingly. Speaker 1000:28:32In terms of the timeline on Slide 12, you highlighted potential changes to And the cadence around execution, are those amendments reflective of future potential changes in timeline or Could you see further adjustments if timeline is low? Speaker 500:28:51Great question. Thanks for that. Let me clarify. The contract amendments that were made Or to support the timelines that we disclosed in 2022 and support the timelines that you see on that slide, Which placed those remaining projects in service in 2024 2025. Speaker 1000:29:12Okay. And then one follow-up on the IPSCO sale process. Have better rooms been formed? And have you seen any initial rounds of bids? Any color you could share around how early in the process you may think? Speaker 500:29:25Yes. Unfortunately, there isn't additional color I can offer at this time. We're Focused on advancing the process and we'll just have to come back with updates around these topics when it's appropriate to do so. Speaker 1000:29:35Thank you. Appreciate it. Speaker 100:29:39The next question is from Richard Sunderland with JPMorgan. Your line is open. Speaker 700:29:46Hey, good morning. I joined late, so apologies if I missed this earlier. Just curious, what are you seeing on O and M trends coming out 4Q relative to what you discussed at the fall Analyst Day, curious if there are any moving pieces here relative to the latest 2023 outlook versus initial? Speaker 300:30:04Good morning, Richard. This is Lloyd. First of all, I would say we're on track for flat O and M year over year. And then I'd like to characterize as we are really developing our O and M muscle. We have something going on with the company called Project Apollo. Speaker 300:30:18We've outlined various processes and projects that we have teams working on to target doing things safer, better, More efficiently and for lower costs, and we're on track to achieve those. Speaker 700:30:34Got it. Very clear. That's all for me. Thank you. Speaker 100:30:42The next question is from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Bank of America. Your line is open. Speaker 1100:30:49Hey, good morning, team. Thank you for the time. So just sticking with Richard's question, cost reduction seems to be a focus In the narrative with NIPSCO and the case, how do you think about effectively settling that issue here and how that marries up with the timeline You've articulated here with Project Apollo and wider O and M Savings. Again, I'm not trying to ask you to negotiate the settlement on the call here per se, but How does that light up and especially vis a vis timeline here with some of these efforts that you have underway? You talked about holding it flat for this year in particular. Speaker 1100:31:24And then I suppose related question following up on the earlier one from Nick is, if you're looking at the next couple of weeks potentially trying to settle this out, is there anything that you really need to get Out there in the record in a hearing context or is it all sufficiently hashed out at this point as far as you're concerned? Speaker 300:31:43So let me handle both those questions. Starting with the O and M and the timeline, I think that No, we try to align those with our rate cases, but I think our strategy here is Any O and M that we can take out of the system, that we can lean out of the system on any given day is better for our customers. Our O and M is about keeping customer keeping our customers or keeping our rates affordable. So We're not necessarily trying to line that up with rate cases. If it lines up fine, if not, I think we're okay too. Speaker 300:32:18Ultimately, we're going to know that down the system and it's going to be good for customers and we're going to continue down that path and not try to be cute there. I think when you look at the NIPSCO rate case and if you look at the intervenor testimony, what you see is there's no argument over the capital investments. All the capital investments, the renewable projects, primary renewable projects in TDIS, all that's been agreed to. So we're debating over O and M And ROE, which I think is really positive and typically when you have that when those two limited subject matters, you can typically come to some Reasonable settlement on those two issues. So I think we're in a good spot With respect to the NIPSCO rate case, with respect to the O and M and I'm optimistic the next 2 weeks are going to pan out real well for all involved stakeholders. Speaker 1100:33:13Got it. Excellent. And then just going back to the related question on the minority asset sale and the equity that Shah brought up. So Given the indications that you see today, I mean, I suppose the question is, do you have equity needs in that longer term period? How do you think about the Early indications in the process relative to the beyond 'twenty five balance sheet needs. Speaker 1100:33:36Again, clearly, you're trying to take out a lot of those Cumulative capital needs here with this asset sale, the question is to what extent can you more meaningfully address it? Speaker 400:33:47Yes, I'd say our financing plan hasn't changed. And as Sean stated that the process is going as expected. When we get more details that we can communicate on the sale transaction, we'll do that. But no change to the financing plan at this Speaker 600:34:03point. Excellent. Speaker 1100:34:06And just lastly here, I heard that you said you reaffirmed the timelines for the various, I believe the 4 solar projects, a solar and storage project, just on that point on time line, again, obviously, you're paying to have these on a timely manner. Do you see them as broadly on track given some of these interconnection issues and given some of the deliverability, I think specifically in the interconnect side here? I'm just curious on your level of comment on that front. Speaker 500:34:32Yes. As we shared, our projects are all continuing on schedule with the revised and service dates We updated in 2022, Duns Bridge 1 and Crossroads Solar specifically are at the stage of construction where each are receiving panels on a regular basis Support the in service dates within the first half of this year and we're continuing to work in good faith with our developer partners and all the remaining all the other remaining projects To advance accordingly. Speaker 1100:34:58Got it. Excellent. Nicely done team. Speak to you soon. Speaker 100:35:04There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn it over to Lloyd Yates, Chief Executive Officer, for any closing remarks. Speaker 300:35:18So thank you for your questions. And as we close, I want to reiterate what Donald and I have said about our confidence, progress and focus. Our confidence in our strategic plan and our strong progress in delivering on our commitments our progress on our regulatory initiatives, including Pursuing a potential settlement in the Nipsco Electric rate case and are focused on realizing the upside potential beyond our existing plan. I believe the future is bright for NiSource and we're confident in the execution of the 5 year plan we had unveiled at Investor Day. We appreciate you joining us this morning and I hope all of you stay safe. Speaker 300:35:58Thank you. Speaker 100:36:02Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. 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The company distributes natural gas to approximately 3.3 million customers through approximately 55,000 miles of distribution main pipeline and the associated individual customer service lines; and 1,000 miles of transmission main pipeline in northern Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Kentucky, and Maryland. It also generates, transmits, and distributes electricity to approximately 0.5 million customers in various counties in the northern part of Indiana, as well as engages in wholesale electric and transmission transactions. It owns and operates coal-fired electric generating stations in Wheatfield and Michigan City; combined cycle gas turbine in West Terre Haute; natural gas generating units in Wheatfield; hydro generating plants in Carroll County and White County; wind generating units in White County, Indiana; and solar generating units in Jasper County and White County. 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There are 12 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00My name is Chris, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I'd like Speaker 100:00:03to welcome everyone to the Q4 2022 NiSource Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Thank you. Chris Turnure, Director of Investor Relations, you may begin. Speaker 200:00:30Good morning, and welcome to the NiSource 4th quarter 2022 Investor Call. Joining me today are Chief Executive Officer, Lloyd Yates Chief Financial Officer, Donald Brown Senior Vice President, Strategy and Chief Risk Officer, Sean Anderson and Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer, Randy Hulen. The purpose of this presentation is to review NiSource's financial performance for the Q4 of 2022 as well as provide an update on our operations and growth drivers. Following our prepared remarks, we'll open the call to your questions. Slides for today's call are available in the Investor Relations section of our website. Speaker 200:01:08We would like to remind you that some of the statements made during this presentation will be forward looking. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the statements. Information concerning such risks and uncertainties is included in the MD and A and Risk Factors sections of our periodic SEC filings. Additionally, information on the most directly comparable GAAP measure and a reconciliation of these measures. I'd now like to turn the call over to Luke. Speaker 300:01:47Thanks, Chris. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. By the end of the call, I want to leave you with 3 takeaways about our business and our future. I'd like to reiterate our confidence, progress and focus. Our confidence in our strategic plan And our strong progress in delivering on our commitment. Speaker 300:02:11Our progress on our regulatory initiatives, including pursuing a potential settlement And our focus on realizing the upside potential beyond our existing plan. We will touch on some of these incremental investment opportunities later in today's presentation. Turning to our performance. 2022 was a year of relentless and consistent execution by our team. Among the keys to our success in 2022 was our comprehensive business review. Speaker 300:02:46We believe the goals we laid out at our Investor They are both significant and achievable, and we will measure our progress against our premium utility growth plan each quarter. Our results this quarter and in 2022 were strong and demonstrate that we are off to a great start in the execution of our plan. We delivered earnings above our 2022 guidance and are raising our 2023 guidance. We also grew our dividend 6.4%. We remain on track to drive shareholder value through a compelling 9% to 11% total Shareholder return. Speaker 300:03:25At Investor Day, we committed to optimizing our cost profile and enhancing operational efficiency. We're doing that by transforming both our IT systems and the work processes they support. Behind processes and technology are people. I want to thank each of our employees for their performance throughout 2022 and a deep commitment to serving our customers. Let's turn to Slide 5 of the presentation and take a closer look at our 2022 key achievements. Speaker 300:03:58NiSource's 2022 earnings exceeded our guidance range. We delivered $1.47 non GAAP Diluted NOEPS. That's up more than 7% from last year. Speaker 400:04:11It reflects our continued investment in Speaker 300:04:13safety, Reliability, customer affordability and sustainability. Looking to 2023, We've increased our guidance range to $1.54 to $1.60 per share. This reflects our outperformance in 2022 And confidence in 2023 execution. We're reaffirming our expectation of a 6% to 8% annual NOE EPS growth Through 2027 as well as our annual 8% to 10% rate base growth. Slide 6 illustrates 2023 guidance and our commitment to Grow 6% to 8% annually through 2027. Speaker 300:04:55Driving this top tier growth are investments of $15,000,000,000 in regulated CapEx From 2023 through 2027, a high level summary of which you can see on Slide 7. Looking out further, we continue to expect to invest $30,000,000,000 from 2023 to 2,032. As I alluded to earlier, execution by our regulatory teams continues to be a strength. In 2022, We filed 4 rate cases and resolved 3 in Pennsylvania, Maryland and the Indiana gas case. In addition, the Ohio rate case concluded last month. Speaker 300:05:37These cases represent balanced outcomes supporting all stakeholders. Turning to Page 8, we have the following key priorities for 2023. 1st, Continue to enhance our focus on safety and operational excellence. 2nd, the successful sale of our minority interest in NIPSCO To strengthen our balance sheet. Next, a balanced outcome in the NIPSCO electric rate case, which we will cover in a few moments. Speaker 300:06:104th, driving efficiencies to achieve flat O and M spending to enhance customer affordability. These efforts will keep our customer rates sustainable with expected total annual rate increases that are in line with inflation. And finally, our commitment to delivering on our 2023 guidance. These are the priorities that we will keep top of mind throughout the year. On Slide 9, you will see the additional investment opportunities NiSource may pursue in both near and long term. Speaker 300:06:44NiSource's investment opportunities include replacing pre-nineteen 85 plastic gas pipes as well as gas In addition, Electric generation tax credit transferability and advanced gas metering infrastructure also represent attractive opportunities For NiSource in the near term, beyond 2027, we see the need to add electric generation capacity in the marketplace And to enhance electric grid hardening. MISO electric long range transmission projects, electric transportation renewable gas infrastructure And hydrogen production hubs also make up long term and large scale projects we will seek to participate in to enhance our investment portfolio And drive greater value for our customers. Now let's turn to Page 10 to review some 4th quarter And recent highlights from gas distribution operations. Columbia Gas of Ohio received an order accepting the settlement in its rate case on January 26. The order includes a revenue increase of $68,200,000 net of riders. Speaker 300:08:00New rates will be effective on March 1. The settlement in our Pennsylvania rate case was approved in December. It enables continued investments in replacement of aging pipe And system upgrades needed to ensure service reliability and pipeline safety. New rates went into effect December 17. Finally, Columbia Gas of Maryland received an order in November approving its rate case settlement. Speaker 300:08:28The settlement supports the company's continued investments in infrastructure replacement and system upgrades. Now For updates on our electric operations and renewables projects, I'd like to turn it over to Sean Anderson. Speaker 500:08:43Thank you, Lloyd, and good morning, everyone. You'll find information about our electric operations on Slide 11. NIPSCO is actively working with stakeholders Toward a settlement in its electric rate case, its first since 2018. New rates are anticipated to take effect in September 2023 With an incremental rate step applied in 2024. Meanwhile, the company remains on track to support a reliable generation portfolio And to retire all coal fired generation by the end of 2028 with new assets, predominantly wind and solar facilities coming online. Speaker 500:09:24All of the renewable generation projects remain on target with previously revised in service dates. The construction underway at Indiana Crossroads Solar and Dunsbridge Solar 1 is nearing completion, With both facilities projected to be in service in the first half of twenty twenty three. Also under construction, The Indiana Crossroads II wind project continues to pace the start of commercial operations by the end of 2023. We have entered into contract amendments for our Duns Bridge II, Cavalry and Fairbanks projects To address our previously communicated project completion dates and to reflect market pressures on pricing, both Duns Bridge 2 and Cavalry projects Have begun initial construction with activities ramping into full construction this spring. We continue to evaluate the provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act and its applicability to the projects in our generation portfolio, Including the potential application of tax transferability, along with the enhanced tax credits provided for in the act, We believe the legislation has enabled opportunities to drive greater value to both our customers and shareholders while advancing our remaining projects. Speaker 500:10:46It is important to note that the application of all tax credits is analyzed on a project by project basis And is impacted by various factors such as capital costs and the expected production of the asset. Meanwhile, NIPSCO is in active commercial negotiations with potential counterparties to fulfill the preferred portfolio outlined in its 2021 Integrated Resource Plan. Project agreements resulting from the All Sources RFP As well as the targeted gas peaking RFP at Schafer Generating Station are expected to be announced this summer. Additional work continues around capturing direct and indirect funding opportunities from all of the federal legislation passed recently. Most notably, the nearly $500,000,000,000 generated from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and the Inflation Reduction Act. Speaker 500:11:44We have been active in several hydrogen hub proposals across our territory, each of which have received encouragement from the DOE to submit a full application for the regional clean hydrogen hub funding opportunity announcement as designated And the Bipartisan Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, I'd like to close by confirming we are on track To achieve our industry leading environmental impact targets, namely a 90% reduction in Scope 1 greenhouse gas emissions from 2,005 levels by 2,030. This progress is consistent with the reductions needed to achieve our goal Of net 0 Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions by 2,040, which we announced in November. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Donald, who will discuss our financial performance in more detail. Speaker 400:12:40Thanks, Sean, and good morning, everyone. Turning to our Q4 2022 results on Slide 13. 4th quarter non GAAP net operating earnings were $221,000,000 or $0.50 per share compared to $167,000,000 or $0.39 per share in the Q4 2021. Full year earnings were $648,000,000 or $1.47 per share compared to $571,000,000 or $1.37 per share in 2021. Taking a closer look at our 4th quarter segment non GAAP results on Slide 14. Speaker 400:13:20Gas distribution operating earnings were $288,000,000 in the 4th quarter, an increase of $72,000,000 versus the same quarter last year. Operating revenues net of the cost of energy and tracked expenses were higher by $66,000,000 mainly due to new rates resulting from base rate cases and regulatory capital programs. Operating expenses, Again, net of the cost of energy and tracked expenses were lower by $6,000,000 due primarily to lower O and M and other taxes. In our electric segment, non GAAP operating earnings for the 4th quarter were $68,000,000 $14,000,000 lower than in the same quarter last year. Operating revenues, net of the cost of energy and tracked expenses, We're lower by $4,000,000 mainly due to slightly lower weather normalized customer usage. Speaker 400:14:17Operating expenses, once again excluding the cost of energy and tracked expenses were higher by $10,000,000 primarily due to increased depreciation and amortization. Now I'd like to briefly touch on our debt and credit profile. Our debt level as of December 31, 2022 was $11,300,000,000 of which $9,600,000,000 was long term debt With a weighted average maturity of 14 years and a weighted average interest rate of 3.7%. At the end of the 4th quarter, we maintained net Available liquidity of over $1,600,000,000 consisting of cash and available capacity under our credit facility and our accounts receivable securitization programs. We remain committed to our current investment grade credit ratings. Speaker 400:15:09Slide 16 highlights our financing strategy and credit commitments. We issued a $1,000,000,000 1 year term loan in December And use the proceeds to reduce our commercial paper balances and the loan bridges the gap into our equity unit remarketing in the fall. Our financing plan includes no block or ATM equity issuances in 2023 or 2024. It's consistent with all of our earnings growth and credit commitments through 2027 and remains unchanged from Investor Day in November. I'd like to highlight that the recent drop in natural gas prices directly reduces our customers' bills over time And reduces the natural gas impact on working capital and financing charges. Speaker 400:16:00At year end 2022, Deferred fuel amounted to roughly 54 basis points of FFO to debt versus 76 basis points at year end 2021. For some context of the impact of higher gas prices over the last 2 years, at year end 2020, Deferred fuel only had a 6 basis point impact on our FFO to debt. In summary, We reported 20.22 EPS of $1.47 exceeding our $1.44 to $1.46 guidance range. We have raised our 2023 guidance to $1.54 to $1.60 an increase of over $0.03 versus our prior midpoint. We're also reiterating our long term growth commitment of 6% to 8% annual NOEPS growth through 2027. Speaker 400:16:56Despite persistent macroeconomic headwinds and volatility, we are advancing key elements of our 5 year plan And we remain focused on safety, reliability, affordability and sustainability. Before we open up the line to answer your questions, I'd like to reiterate our confidence, progress and focus. Our confidence in our strategic plan and our strong progress in delivering on those commitments. Our progress on our regulatory initiatives, including pursuing a potential settlement in the NIPSCO electric rate case and our focus on realizing the upside potential beyond our existing plan. Thank you all for participating today and for your ongoing interest in and support of NiSource. Speaker 400:17:41We're now ready to take your questions. Speaker 500:17:44Thank Speaker 100:17:50you. The first question is from Nicholas Campanella with Credit Suisse. Speaker 600:17:56Your line is open. Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. So I guess just on the NIPSCO rate case and the timeline for potential settlement, would you prospectively want to have that done before the March 13th hearings or just how do we kind of think about the timeline there if you can move to settlement? Thanks. Speaker 300:18:18Good morning, Nick. Lloyd Yates here. So when we think about the NIPSCO rate case, we filed Our rebuttal testimony February 16 and we've already started discussions with the various parties on that rate case. I'm optimistic about settling that rate case. I think that you start thinking about timeline around February 27 if hearings Starting March 13, I think that the timeline is you should expect to see something around the end of February. Speaker 300:18:50If things are progressing, we could history has been to extend those a week or so to get settlement discussions complete. But I think that's the track we're on right now. Speaker 600:19:02That's really helpful. Thanks. And then I guess just on the minority interest sale, can you Just give us a sense, I know in the prepared remarks you said you're on track. What type of demand are you kind of seeing From either financials or strategic? And then how are you kind of framing the timeline for an announcement here? Speaker 600:19:20Do you expect to have something by next quarter? Or just Any additional color would be helpful. Thanks. Speaker 300:19:25So Sean is leading that initiative for the company. I want to let Sean Anderson answer that. Speaker 500:19:32Yes. Thanks, Nick. Appreciate the question. We've observed a broad range of qualified partners, which are positioned to help NIPSCO and NiSource realize its strategic goals. We're confident this is the right audience to evaluate a partnership with NiSource as we laid out in November. Speaker 500:19:46We're also confident the process we've launched will lead us to a successful outcome this year. Speaker 700:19:54All right. Thank you very much. Speaker 100:19:58The next question is from Shar Pourreza with Guggenheim Partners. Your line is open. Speaker 400:20:04Hey guys, good morning. Hey, Wood. Speaker 300:20:06Good morning, Speaker 800:20:07Shar. Just on starting with the CapEx, when you shifted sort of a fair amount of the generation spending From 24 to 23, it looks like you also slightly increased the overall CapEx plan at the same time as sort of the 2023 range moved up more than the 2024 CapEx reduction. Can you maybe just elaborate on this, whether we should treat this as incremental Sort of your overall planning assumptions. Speaker 300:20:36So I would not treat that as incremental. That shift was really for progress payments for our renewable projects. I mean, I think our plan is still as is spending around $3,000,000,000 a year in CapEx is what we're committed to. We feel like we can execute that really, really well, but there's no increase in CapEx at all. Those are just progress payments for the projects. Speaker 800:20:59Got it. And then just a follow-up on Nick's question on the GRC. I guess, how are you sort of thinking about the potential For the coal plant cost recovery mechanism to get approved? Speaker 300:21:12So we're in the middle of conversations. There's been some debate about that mechanism. We think that mechanism is really good for customers. As we shut those coal plants down, that cost goes back to customers immediately. We're in conversations with the various parties about how to make that work. Speaker 300:21:29I'm optimistic that we can do that because I think that's Good for customers and passing that cost back immediately, but I think those are an integral part of the settlement discussions right now. Speaker 800:21:41Got it. Okay, perfect. And then just real quick last week, Donald, I know you sort of mentioned equity, but you threw out the word block in there as well. Just not ATM, but you also mentioned the word block post 2025. Is there any reason to believe like you would come to market with block equity, Especially post this minority sale? Speaker 400:22:03No. And let me correct. I certainly didn't say block. Our financing plan has not Change, it still is that we expect to enter into ATM post 2025 And that's really to keep us in that 14% to 16% FFO to debt range, but no blocks planned or expected at this point in time. Speaker 800:22:26Okay, perfect. Thank you guys so much. Appreciate it. Speaker 100:22:31The next question is from Durgesh Chopra with Evercore ISI. Your line is open. Speaker 900:22:39Hey, team. Good morning. Can you hear me okay? Speaker 300:22:41Good morning, Durgesh. We hear you fine. Speaker 900:22:44Okay, perfect. Thanks. Sorry. Hey, just Donald, thank you for sharing details On the deferred fuel and impact to your credit metrics. But maybe can you talk about the customer bill implications? Speaker 900:22:59And when could we sort of see the lower gas prices flow through your customer builds? And I know it's different states are different, but just at a very high level, Speaker 400:23:15Gas prices including today we're seeing NYMEX March price around $2 or below $2 So That's great impact for our customers. As we look at it, we're expecting probably a 20% to 25% decrease in customer bills 23% versus 2022. So really good outcome. Speaker 900:23:42That's super helpful. Thank you. And then just maybe I just want to switch gears and see if you could give us any additional color. On the Updated this is Slide 9 now, I'm on the near term opportunities and CapEx. Any way that you can size The overall CapEx dollars we are talking about here in terms of your overall capital plan, how How should we think about that? Speaker 900:24:07Any color you can share there, whether it's increased ownership of the generation assets, AMI, etcetera, etcetera? Speaker 300:24:14So I guess we realize, I mean those opportunities are out there. We don't have a size for those opportunities yet. I think as we get closer to those opportunities and know more about the pre-nineteen 85 plastic pipe Or MISO issue in new transmission opportunities, we'll be able to size it then. But as soon as we can size it, we'll let you guys know about it. Thanks. Speaker 900:24:36I understand it. Thank you. And maybe just one quick one real quick. On the timing itself, Sean, at Analyst Day Last year, you guys might have suggested a mid year announcement on the assets. Is that Still on NIPSCO sale, is that still on track? Speaker 900:24:54Or we've seen some of your peers who are trying to sell some renewable assets shift their timeline? Speaker 500:25:01Yes. Thanks for the question. The timeline has not changed. We still expect to be able to complete this in 2023. And as you can imagine, we're still early days In the process itself, so we'll be able to provide updates along the way when it's appropriate to do so. Speaker 900:25:15Thanks, guys. Appreciate the time. Speaker 100:25:20The next question is from Travis Miller with Morningstar. Your line is open. Speaker 700:25:25Good morning, everyone. Thank you. Speaker 300:25:28Good morning. Speaker 700:25:29Just following up on that, the idea of the timing on the sale. I imagine you have to get the rate case either settled or concluded before that sale. Is that correct? Is there is that a gating factor essentially For making that financing move? Speaker 500:25:48These are really 2 separate processes and we believe both can proceed as we've laid out today. Speaker 700:25:54Okay. So not necessary conclusion on the rate case before you could have a transaction done? Speaker 500:26:02That's correct. Speaker 700:26:03Okay. And then separately, obviously, some good moves on the gas Saad, what's your thought in terms of cadence given the different regulatory mechanisms you have and the CapEx plan in terms of General rate cases or base rate cases at the gas businesses, what's your sense on timing of that going forward? Speaker 400:26:25Yes, great question. If you look at our history, we're typically in every 2 to 3 years in most jurisdictions. We're actually coming off a pretty heavy year last year where we were in 5 rate cases, Ohio, Indiana, New rates in 2022 Virginia, Kentucky and Maryland. So last year was a pretty heavy year. But if you look at our history, Maryland's almost every year, PA is almost every year and then the other states typically every 2 to 3 Speaker 700:27:02Okay. And then that cadence to continue roughly? Speaker 400:27:06Yes. We're evaluating Pennsylvania, But I'd say otherwise, it's every 2 to 3 years on other states. Speaker 700:27:13Okay, great. Appreciate it. That's all I had. Speaker 100:27:19The next question is from Ryan Levine with Citi. Your line is open. Speaker 1000:27:23Good morning. In your prepared remarks, if I heard correctly, there was some mention of revised contracts for select renewable projects. Can you unpack the materiality of these changes and what remaining risks do you see from a timeline execution standpoint? Speaker 500:27:41Yes. Thanks, Ryan. Appreciate the question. As you can imagine, we're still working through the process. So we still consider these contract amendments confidential. Speaker 500:27:50But the one thing I'd say is that we will work forward with our partners in the appropriate filings with the commission to Move these forward, we're talking about the 4 remaining projects that are not substantively under construction, apart from those that are already in service. The market has seen increases in costs in the 10% to 25% range. What we've seen is consistent with that. And we've also been able to benchmark that off of the most recent RFP in August of 2022. We feel good about the value proposition that these projects still provide to our customers in Northwest Indiana and we'll proceed accordingly. Speaker 1000:28:32In terms of the timeline on Slide 12, you highlighted potential changes to And the cadence around execution, are those amendments reflective of future potential changes in timeline or Could you see further adjustments if timeline is low? Speaker 500:28:51Great question. Thanks for that. Let me clarify. The contract amendments that were made Or to support the timelines that we disclosed in 2022 and support the timelines that you see on that slide, Which placed those remaining projects in service in 2024 2025. Speaker 1000:29:12Okay. And then one follow-up on the IPSCO sale process. Have better rooms been formed? And have you seen any initial rounds of bids? Any color you could share around how early in the process you may think? Speaker 500:29:25Yes. Unfortunately, there isn't additional color I can offer at this time. We're Focused on advancing the process and we'll just have to come back with updates around these topics when it's appropriate to do so. Speaker 1000:29:35Thank you. Appreciate it. Speaker 100:29:39The next question is from Richard Sunderland with JPMorgan. Your line is open. Speaker 700:29:46Hey, good morning. I joined late, so apologies if I missed this earlier. Just curious, what are you seeing on O and M trends coming out 4Q relative to what you discussed at the fall Analyst Day, curious if there are any moving pieces here relative to the latest 2023 outlook versus initial? Speaker 300:30:04Good morning, Richard. This is Lloyd. First of all, I would say we're on track for flat O and M year over year. And then I'd like to characterize as we are really developing our O and M muscle. We have something going on with the company called Project Apollo. Speaker 300:30:18We've outlined various processes and projects that we have teams working on to target doing things safer, better, More efficiently and for lower costs, and we're on track to achieve those. Speaker 700:30:34Got it. Very clear. That's all for me. Thank you. Speaker 100:30:42The next question is from Julien Dumoulin Smith with Bank of America. Your line is open. Speaker 1100:30:49Hey, good morning, team. Thank you for the time. So just sticking with Richard's question, cost reduction seems to be a focus In the narrative with NIPSCO and the case, how do you think about effectively settling that issue here and how that marries up with the timeline You've articulated here with Project Apollo and wider O and M Savings. Again, I'm not trying to ask you to negotiate the settlement on the call here per se, but How does that light up and especially vis a vis timeline here with some of these efforts that you have underway? You talked about holding it flat for this year in particular. Speaker 1100:31:24And then I suppose related question following up on the earlier one from Nick is, if you're looking at the next couple of weeks potentially trying to settle this out, is there anything that you really need to get Out there in the record in a hearing context or is it all sufficiently hashed out at this point as far as you're concerned? Speaker 300:31:43So let me handle both those questions. Starting with the O and M and the timeline, I think that No, we try to align those with our rate cases, but I think our strategy here is Any O and M that we can take out of the system, that we can lean out of the system on any given day is better for our customers. Our O and M is about keeping customer keeping our customers or keeping our rates affordable. So We're not necessarily trying to line that up with rate cases. If it lines up fine, if not, I think we're okay too. Speaker 300:32:18Ultimately, we're going to know that down the system and it's going to be good for customers and we're going to continue down that path and not try to be cute there. I think when you look at the NIPSCO rate case and if you look at the intervenor testimony, what you see is there's no argument over the capital investments. All the capital investments, the renewable projects, primary renewable projects in TDIS, all that's been agreed to. So we're debating over O and M And ROE, which I think is really positive and typically when you have that when those two limited subject matters, you can typically come to some Reasonable settlement on those two issues. So I think we're in a good spot With respect to the NIPSCO rate case, with respect to the O and M and I'm optimistic the next 2 weeks are going to pan out real well for all involved stakeholders. Speaker 1100:33:13Got it. Excellent. And then just going back to the related question on the minority asset sale and the equity that Shah brought up. So Given the indications that you see today, I mean, I suppose the question is, do you have equity needs in that longer term period? How do you think about the Early indications in the process relative to the beyond 'twenty five balance sheet needs. Speaker 1100:33:36Again, clearly, you're trying to take out a lot of those Cumulative capital needs here with this asset sale, the question is to what extent can you more meaningfully address it? Speaker 400:33:47Yes, I'd say our financing plan hasn't changed. And as Sean stated that the process is going as expected. When we get more details that we can communicate on the sale transaction, we'll do that. But no change to the financing plan at this Speaker 600:34:03point. Excellent. Speaker 1100:34:06And just lastly here, I heard that you said you reaffirmed the timelines for the various, I believe the 4 solar projects, a solar and storage project, just on that point on time line, again, obviously, you're paying to have these on a timely manner. Do you see them as broadly on track given some of these interconnection issues and given some of the deliverability, I think specifically in the interconnect side here? I'm just curious on your level of comment on that front. Speaker 500:34:32Yes. As we shared, our projects are all continuing on schedule with the revised and service dates We updated in 2022, Duns Bridge 1 and Crossroads Solar specifically are at the stage of construction where each are receiving panels on a regular basis Support the in service dates within the first half of this year and we're continuing to work in good faith with our developer partners and all the remaining all the other remaining projects To advance accordingly. Speaker 1100:34:58Got it. Excellent. Nicely done team. Speak to you soon. Speaker 100:35:04There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn it over to Lloyd Yates, Chief Executive Officer, for any closing remarks. Speaker 300:35:18So thank you for your questions. And as we close, I want to reiterate what Donald and I have said about our confidence, progress and focus. Our confidence in our strategic plan and our strong progress in delivering on our commitments our progress on our regulatory initiatives, including Pursuing a potential settlement in the Nipsco Electric rate case and are focused on realizing the upside potential beyond our existing plan. I believe the future is bright for NiSource and we're confident in the execution of the 5 year plan we had unveiled at Investor Day. We appreciate you joining us this morning and I hope all of you stay safe. Speaker 300:35:58Thank you. Speaker 100:36:02Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. 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