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Ameriprise Financial Q1 2023 Earnings Call Transcript


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Participants

Corporate Executives

  • Alicia Charity
    Senior Vice President of Investor Relations
  • James M. Cracchiolo
    Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
  • Walter S. Berman
    Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Presentation

Operator

Welcome to the Q1 2023 Earnings Call. My name is Bill, and I'll be your operator for today's call. [Operator Instructions] And as a reminder, the conference is being recorded.

I will now turn the call over to Alicia Charity. Alicia, you may begin.

Alicia Charity
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations at Ameriprise Financial

Thank you, and good morning. Welcome to Ameriprise Financial's First Quarter Earnings Call. On the call with me today are Jim Cracchiolo, Chairman and CEO; and Walter Berman, our Chief Financial Officer. Following their remarks, we'd be happy to take your questions.

Turning to our earnings presentation materials that are available on our website. On slide 2, you will see a discussion of forward-looking statements. Specifically, during the call, you will hear references to various non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe provide insight into the company's operations.

Reconciliation of non-GAAP numbers to their respective GAAP numbers can be found in today's materials and on our website. Some statements that we make on this call may be forward-looking, reflecting management's expectations about future events and overall operating plans and performance.

These forward-looking statements speak only as of today's date and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. A sample list of factors and risks that could cause actual results to be materially different from forward-looking statements can be found in our first quarter 2023 earnings release, our 2022 annual report to shareholders and our 2022 10-K report. We make no obligation to publicly update or revise these forward-looking statements.

On slide 3, you see our GAAP financial results at the top of the page for the first quarter. Below that, you see our adjusted operating results, which management believes enhances the understanding of our business by reflecting the underlying performance of our core operations and facilitates a more meaningful trend analysis. Many of the comments that management makes on the call today will focus on adjusted operating results.

And with that, I'll turn it over to Jim.

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining today's call. As you saw in our release, Ameriprise had an excellent first quarter, building on a strong year in 2022. As you know, equity markets were choppy up for the quarter but still down 9% from a year-ago and interest rates were up strongly year-over-year. However, questions around whether we'll see a hard or soft landing continues to play in the background and the failure of certain regional banks and another large financial institution caused investor concern.

To confirm, Ameriprise has no exposure to the recently affected banks. With regard to our bank, our deposit base is extremely stable, our investment portfolio is high-quality with a short-duration, and it's all held as available for sale. In addition, all of our client cash sweep deposits in Wealth Management and the bank are FDIC or SIPC insured.

As we reflect on the quarter, I'd like to reinforce some important points. Ameriprise remains strong and stable. We navigate environmental uncertainty extremely well for our clients in the business and we've demonstrated that again. Ameriprise is a diversified business with Wealth Management, representing two-thirds of the firm's earnings, complemented by our Retirement & Protection Solutions and Asset Management businesses. This diversity enables us to generate strong results and multiple revenue streams across market cycles and offsets pressures. We can also quickly capitalize on opportunities and deal with risk.

Last and importantly, our financial foundation, risk management and expense discipline are all excellent. We're able to consistently invest in business growth across market cycles and return to shareholders at attractive levels.

With that as background, I'll discuss the strong adjusted operating results we achieved in the first quarter. Revenues grew 3% to $3.7 billion, driven by double-digit growth in Advice & Wealth Management. Earnings were up nicely with pre-tax adjusted operating earnings up 20% and EPS up 25%, which is significant. And the return-on-equity, excluding AOCI was 50%. Our return-on-equity continues to be among the best across financial services.

Our assets under management and administration ended the quarter at $1.2 trillion. It's down from a year-ago due to lower markets and a negative impact from foreign-exchange translation, which was partially offset by our strong client flows.

Let's turn to business highlights. In Advice & Wealth Management, we delivered another excellent quarter. We're bringing in strong flows as we focus on providing more advice to more clients and deepening our relationships. Client inflows continue to be robust, more than $12 billion in the quarter, up 18% and very close to an all time high. And this builds on our record year in 2022.

Both wrap flows and transactional activities were impacted due to market volatility. We expect to see a pickup in wrap and other solutions as markets and the environments settle over-time. The Ameriprise client experience helps drive leading client engagement. Our advisors are supporting clients with our excellent market volatility resources and advice-based client experience. Even during this period of heightened uncertainty, client satisfaction remains very-high at 4.9 out of five stars.

Our advisor value proposition is another differentiator. Ameriprise advisor retention is among the best and productivity continues to grow nicely, increasing 5% to $847,000. Advisors continue to tell us that they love our technology, tools and support. For example, we're rolling out a great new capability called e-meeting that reduces advisor meeting prep time down to just a matter of minutes and generates a highly personalized professional presentation focused on client goal achievement.

In addition to our legacy advisors, our experienced advisor recruits appreciate our client and advisor value propositions as well as the firm's financial strength. Another 83 experienced advisors joined us in the first quarter. The quality of the people we're bringing and continues to build in terms of practice size and productivity, and we've seen a nice recruiting pipeline ahead.

As you know, we began building the Ameriprise Financial Institutions Group channel a few years ago. Since then, we partnered with a number of quality financial institutions who want to work with a firm like Ameriprise that can provide excellent client and advisor service. In the quarter, we announced a new bank partner, Comerica Bank. This partnership will bring approximately a 100 financial advisors and $18 billion in assets by the end of the year.

Regarding our bank, it's growing nicely. We're adding additional deposits, have grown it to $20 billion in just a few years. It's an attractive complement to gain spread revenue in this rate environment. And we had strong growth in our certificate business with assets now close to $12 billion as well as good growth in our pledge loan business.

At the end of the quarter, we launched a new savings product, and we'll follow that with our own brokered CD in May, as well as preferred savings vehicle later in the year. As we grow in the marketplace, we continue to build on our strong brand awareness. In the quarter, we launched the next phase of our advertising to further promote our referable advice value proposition and the excellent client satisfaction we consistently earn.

And the Ameriprise team and I are also immensely proud to be recognized for how we operate and do business. Some of our recent awards, include being ranked as one of the most trusted wealth managers by Investor's Business Daily. Ameriprise is also ranked number two in trust on Forrester's U.S. Customer Trust Index. In addition, we were named one of America's Best Customer Service companies for 2023 by Newsweek.

And for the fourth consecutive year, J.D. Power's recognized Ameriprise for providing an outstanding customer service experience for our phone support for advisors. Overall, for our Wealth Management business, earnings were up strongly again, 58% year-over-year and our margin was 30.6%, a new record for Ameriprise.

Turning to Retirement & Protection. We continue to perform nicely while adding value and stability in this environment. This business consistently generates good returns and strong free cash flow. We maintained solid books and our investment portfolios are high-quality. With the improved interest-rate environment, we're able to reposition our portfolio and as investments mature, we're able to reinvest and generate better returns.

In terms of priorities, as you know, we're very much focused on asset accumulation products that align with our client needs and our risk profile, which results in a very solid liability base. Our structured annuity product is our best seller, combined with our RAVA annuities without living benefits. And in our Life Business, we've shifted to concentrate on VUL and disability products that are appropriate for clients in this environment and generate strong returns.

Sales are down, but we are similar to the industry. Even with slower sales, we continue to generate good earnings, up 11% from a year-ago. In fact, last year, our Life Company was ranked as the second highest returning company in the industry.

Now let's turn to our Asset Management business. We've been impacted by market volatility and industry-wide sales pressure. However, the business continues to perform well and generated good returns and margin. Assets under management was $608 billion at the end of the first quarter, down 13% from a year-ago, largely driven by lower markets and the impact of negative foreign-exchange translation.

Regarding flows, total outflows were $1.7 billion, excluding legacy insurance partner flows. In U.S. retail, like others in active management were remain in net outflows as gross sales were pressured from market volatility. That said, redemptions are better sequentially. In EMEA, our flows improved a bit from a year-ago.

In institutional, we had another good quarter. We had inflows of $2.8 billion, excluding legacy insurance partner flows driven by wins and fixed income, real estate and LDI, expanding our alternatives capability is a long-term priority, including global real estate where we are building out the business and earned a large mandate in the quarter.

With regard to investment performance, we continue to have stronger long-term performance across equities, fixed income and asset allocation strategies. While our one year numbers were impacted by market volatility, primarily in certain fixed-income strategies, we're starting to see those numbers come back this year as interest rates stabilize and given our strength in credit. And we maintain 118, 4- and 5 Morningstar rated funds globally. Across regions, we're earning important recognition, including recent Lipper Awards and other accolades.

In addition to focusing on investment performance, we continue to work through our EMEA integration. We plan to complete much of it by the latter part of the year and look-forward to deriving additional synergies. In Asset Management, we also continue to manage G&A tightly.

So overall, I feel very good about the firm, how we're engaging clients and the results we're driving. We have not had to divert from our chartered costs and we're generating strong growth and returns in a rocky climate. We continue to have strong free cash flow, as well as the ability to return to shareholders. In the quarter, we returned another $641 million in buyback and dividends. And we just announced another dividend increase up 8%, our 19th increase since going public in 2005.

To close, Ameriprise delivered an excellent quarter and we're well-positioned to continue to navigate the environment, manage expenses well, while investing for growth.

Now, Walter will provide further detail on our financials, and we'll answer your questions after his remarks. Walter?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Thank you. As Jim said, results this quarter continuing to demonstrate the strength of the Ameriprise value proposition as adjusted EPS increased 25% to $7.25. Wealth Management business momentum, higher interest rates and expense discipline more than offset the equity and fixed income market dislocation over the past year. This reinforced the value of our diversified business model.

Wealth Management earnings grew 58% and represented 66% of the firm's adjusted operating earnings, a new record. This is up from 49% a year-ago. Asset Management was challenged with industry flow pressures as well as substantial market impacts to AUM. And Retirement & Protection Solutions delivered a good 11% growth, primarily from opportunistically repositioning the investment portfolio as well as from the lower sales levels, given the environment.

Across the firm, we continue to manage expenses tightly, relative to the revenue opportunity within each segment. As a result, we continue to make investments in the bank and other growth initiatives, particularly in Wealth Management by prudently managing overall firm-wide expenses.

In the quarter, G&A was down 1%. Our balance sheet fundamentals remain strong and we saw limited impacts from the significant market disruption in the quarter. Our portfolio is positioned well and no assets are accounted for as held-to-maturity. We have strong capital and liquidity positions, as well as effective hedging. This allowed us to return $641 million of capital to shareholders, a strong return at 80% of our operating earnings.

Let's turn to slide 6. Assets under management and administration ended the quarter at $1.2 trillion, down 8%. While AUMA benefited from strong client flows, we experienced significant market impacts. Equity in fixed markets were down 9% and 5% respectively year-over-year.

In addition, Asset Management AUM levels were substantially impacted by weakening of the pound and euro, resulting in non-U.S. AUM down to approximately 36% of the total.

The portfolio effect of our business mix garnered robust earnings growth with pre-tax earnings up 20% from last year, with meaningful benefits from strong client flows and interest rates, more than offsetting significant negative equity and fixed income markets and foreign-exchange impacts. Free cash flow generation remains strong.

Let's turn to individual segment performance beginning with our strongest growth business of Wealth Management on slide 7. Wealth Management client assets declined 3% to $799 billion. Strong organic growth and client flows was more than offset by significant market depreciation over the past year. Total client net flows remains strong at $12.3 billion, up 18% from last year, evenly split between wrap accounts and non-advisory accounts.

Our flexible model and broad offering allow advisors and clients to pivot as markets and client preferences shift while keeping money within the system. Revenue per advisor reached $847,000 in the quarter, up 5% from the prior year from higher spread revenue, enhanced productivity and business growth.

Turning to slide 8. I'd like to provide some additional insights into the sustainability of our client cash. The safety of these deposits and our investment approach in managing cash, that is at our bank and certificate companies. Our cash balances are relatively stable until at $44.3 billion in the quarter and about 5.5% of total client assets.

While there is some seasonality with cash levels, particularly with tax payments in March and April, cash is always been a component within the client asset allocation and generally remained above 4% of client assets. Sweep cash specifically has an average size of $7,000 per account and over 60% of the cash is in accounts with less than $100,000.

As I mentioned, we have a broad set of product offerings to meet our client needs across environments. From a cash perspective, we have our sweep cash and certificate offerings with many options for clients seeking yield and looking to ladder their liquidity. In the quarter, we launched a new savings account option within the bank and we'll be adding a preferred savings account and broker CD later this year.

Lastly, we have no assets that are accounted for as held-to-maturity and our portfolios are constructed under the rigor of our asset-liability modeling approach. Our bank portfolio is AAA rated with a 3.1 year duration. The overall yield on the portfolio is 4.3% and the yield on investments made in the first quarter was over 6%. Our certificate company portfolio is highly-liquid with over 55% of the portfolio in cash, governments and agencies. It is AA plus rated and on average with a 0.8 year duration. The yield on this portfolio was 5.3% and purchases in the quarter were at a yield of 5.2%.

On slide 9, we delivered extremely strong results in the Wealth Management on all fronts. Profitability increased 58% in the quarter with strong organic growth and the benefit of higher interest rates, offsetting the impacts from market depreciation. Pre-tax operating margin reached nearly 31%, up over 910 basis points year-over-year and up 70 basis points sequentially.

Adjusted operating expenses declined 2%, with distribution expenses down 5% reflecting lower transactional activity in asset balances. G&A is up 7% in the quarter. As we continue to invest for growth, including the bank.

Let's turn to Asset Management on slide 10. We are managing the business well through a challenging market. Total assets under management declined 13% to $608 billion, primarily from equity and fixed-income market depreciation and negative foreign-exchange impact. Asset Management, like the industry was in outflows in the quarter. Continued strength in our global institutional business offset a meaningful portion of retail outflows.

Like others, we experienced pressure from global market volatility, a risk-off investor sentiment and continued geopolitical strain in EMEA. As a reminder, flows in the prior year included $2.6 billion related to the U.S. asset transfer associated with the BMO acquisition.

On slide 11, you can see Asset Management financial results reflected the market environment. As anticipated, earnings declined to a $165 million, reflecting market depreciation, foreign currency weakening and outflows, as well as lower performance fees than a year-ago.

Importantly, we continue to manage the areas we can control. Expenses remain well-managed. Total expenses were down 13%, aided by a 11% decline in G&A, which benefited from lower performance fee compensation. We continue to make market-driven trade-offs and discretionary spending, and remain committed to managing expenses very tightly in the current revenue environment. Margins in the quarter improved sequentially to 31%, returning to our targeted range of 31% to 35%.

Let's turn to slide 12. Retirement & Protection Solutions continued to deliver good earnings and free cash flow generation, reflecting the high-quality of the business. As you are aware, the long-duration targeted improvements accounting change went into effect in the first quarter. Our current-period and historic results are now being reported under this framework.

While this accounting change impacts GAAP equity and earnings, it does not impact our dividend capacity, excess capital, our cash flow generation, which are based upon statutory accounting framework. In the quarter, pre-tax adjusted operating earnings was $194 million, up 11% from the prior year, primarily as a result of higher investment yields from the portfolio repositioning we executed over the past six months.

We estimate that LDTI will reduce RPS earnings by approximately $50 million for full year 2023 versus the $63 million impact in 2022. As it relates to the year, we remain comfortable with the $800 million run-rate taking into consideration, the impact of LDTI and the benefit from portfolio repositioning and higher rates.

Sales in the quarter, similar to the industry declined as a result of the volatile market environment as well as management action to discontinue sales of variable annuities with living benefits to further reduce the risk profile of the business. Protection sales remain concentrated in higher-margin asset accumulation VUL, which now represents over one-third of the total insurance in force. Annuity sales in the quarter were in lower-risk products without guarantees and structured variable annuities. These products represent over 40% of our total VA account value.

Now let's move to the balance sheet on slide 13. Our balance sheet fundamentals remains strong and our diversified high-quality investment portfolio remains well-positioned. In total, the average credit rating of the portfolio is AA, with only 1.3% of the portfolio in below-investment grade securities. Despite significant market dislocation in the quarter, VA hedging effectiveness remains very strong at 95%.

Our diversified business model benefits from significant and stable free cash flow contributions from all business segments. This supports the consistent and differentiated level of capital return to shareholders, even during periods of market depreciation.

In light of the LDTI accounting change, we incorporated a new non-GAAP disclosure in our earnings release of available capital for capital adequacy. This represents how we manage capital, and is unchanged as a result of LDTI. During the quarter, we returned $641 million to shareholders and still ended the quarter with $1.3 billion of excess capital and $1.6 billion of holding company liquidity.

With that, we'll take your questions.

Questions and Answers

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question this morning from Brennan Hawken of UBS. Please go ahead.

Brennan Hawken
Analyst at UBS Group

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I'd love to start on cash and the outlook for rate earnings in AWM. So you've seen growth in certificates, you had mentioned a high-yield offering in the bank that you just launched, and then further brokered CDs. And certainly this will satisfy demand for yield that we see for cash equivalents. But, do you think that the current level of NII can be maintained going-forward? Is the increasing deposit costs enough to offset the shift to the bank? Or are you able -- is the shift to the bank able to keep things steady here at the current levels? Thanks.

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Okay. So yes, the answer is yes. What we are seeing that is certainly we're looking at the way the sweep accounts have performed that we have the opportunity to shift more into the bank, and we'll be evaluating that because of basically the way it's performed right now. And that will give us additional yield, as it relates to that. And also -- we also see on the search that we will -- based on timing, we will also see that the spread will increase in that. So we guess the answer is absolutely yes, both from shifting additional funds into the bank, which has a higher profitability and also the search as we look at spread increasing from a timing standpoint as we address. So yes, the answer is yes.

Brennan Hawken
Analyst at UBS Group

Okay. Thank you for that. And then, at this point, through April, you've moved $3 billion, which I believe you previously indicated as your plan for the year. Do you plan to move further balances into the bank? And then beyond the balance transfers, do you expect that these new savings offerings could allow you to actually see organic non-transfer oriented gross coming out of the bank as well? Thanks.

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Okay. So on the first one, yes, so as we look at the sorting -- and certainly, in the first quarter, you always have the tax, but we've -- clearly, it is performing the way we thought and is slowing, and that gives us the opportunity. We're evaluating that. But we do have additional opportunity with 5%[Phonetic] everything we have in our sweep accounts to move more in and that's what we're evaluating. So you -- that would -- is a distinct possibility.

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Yeah. And I'll take your second question. So we just in March, launched a savings product. We'll be launching a brokered CD in May and then a high-yield savings account a bit later in the year. And we see the opportunity to garner more cash from our clients, bringing it in from the banking institutions now that we'll have some of these products.

But in addition to what we're holding ourselves and whether it's a sweep or even our certificate, we have much more cash that our clients are holding externally in brokered CDs, they put money in, they came into the firm or in money markets. And so, we think we can garner some of that cash back in. So in total, there's about $66 billion of cash. We have about $44 billion. We actually think by offering the brokered CDs and things like that, that will go on -- if some of that, that have gone out to banking institutions that our clients have put money and that would feel much more comfortable having them at Ameriprise.

So we think there's an opportunity there for us as we continue to build-out the bank. And we were also holding a lot more cash as general, so that our sweep activities is only about 4%, which is really always been around that level for transaction of 4% to 5%. So we feel very good that there is opportunity for us.

Brennan Hawken
Analyst at UBS Group

Okay. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will go next now to Erik Bass at Autonomous Research.

Erik Bass
Analyst at Autonomous Research

Hi, thank you. Just maybe a broader question for Advice and Wealth. And just how you're thinking about the margin from here? And do you still see potential upside to margins? Or is your goal more to maintain them at the current kind of 30% level?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Well, I think the way we look at it, listen, we are probably at one of the highest margins out there in the industry, including the big wires that have had banking activities for a long period of time. But money is, as I've said, still sitting on the sidelines in cash. We're holding upwards of $66 billion. Some of that money are not necessarily from transactional activity that they will hold for expenses and other things, some of that money will go back into wrap. I mean, what's the positive is, we brought in $12 billion of client flows. We've been bringing in record numbers for us over the last so many quarters, and that hasn't been deployed yet.

So as they put money back into transactions and contracts and wrap a business, that will also earn-out fees. So I can't tell you exactly what that margin is, but I would say, it's an excellent margin and our business has some good opportunity to continue. And so from my perspective, I think it was a very positive quarter, building on a very positive year last year.

Erik Bass
Analyst at Autonomous Research

Got it. It makes sense. And then, maybe building on your comments about organic growth. I mean, it has accelerated and you've been running at over 6% annualized the past couple of quarters in Wealth Management. Can you talk a little bit about what's driven that acceleration and inflows? And given the pipeline that you have in clients and advisors coming in, do you see that as a sustainable run-rate?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Well, we think so, because we are -- our advisors are engaged. We've helped them with a lot of tools and capabilities and support. Even in this climate, we give them a lot of information appropriate of communications for their clients. On market volatility, we help them really help our clients stick with their goals and what they need to achieve overtime balancing out of volatility. We are engaging and bringing in a lot of good new client flows and deepening, and we're also adding highly productive advisors. We added another 83 in the quarter, would have very good books of business. We have a good pipeline.

So yes, we see it continuing. We're adding news capabilities, like our e-meeting things that's going to help our advisors actually conduct even more meetings very efficiently. So we feel good about how we're situated in this climate.

Erik Bass
Analyst at Autonomous Research

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We will go next now to Craig Siegenthaler at Bank of America.

Craig Siegenthaler
Analyst at Bank of America

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. So on the back of the Comerica win, can you update us on your pipeline for additional financial institution group wins? And how should we think about the frequency of these wins going-forward and also the size range?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Yeah. So we've added a number of financial institutions over the last year. Now I'll comment was a bit larger, so we -- it was a little bit longer to orchestrate and more comprehensive based on the nature that they had their own broker-deal, etc. But we've been winning business for other banks out there in that financial institutions. I think now we're opening it, so that we can work with a bit larger institutions like Comerica.

And I think we are in a good situation. We bring a lot of good capability. They like our service. They like the ability of what we can do to support their advisors. They like the gold-based solution we provide for their clients. So this is something we think we can build upon as we move forward. So again, I can't sit here to tell you exactly when deals get orchestrated, but we have a good pipeline and we think we'll be adding more business there as we move forward.

Craig Siegenthaler
Analyst at Bank of America

Great. And I just had a follow-up on recruiting. So advisor count was down very modestly on the franchise side and up a hair on the employee side, but down on a total basis from last quarter. So I'm just wondering if you could provide us any perspective on this downward trend, including reminding us of any first quarter seasonality and then I wanted to hear how the bank failures in March impacted both your ability to recruit new advisors, but also retain existing advisors in March, and now April because persistently we are pretty robust.

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Yeah. So now, our numbers in franchisee is very strong and stable. Retention is very strong. As with anything, I mean, we have 7,000, so 8,000 advisors there. So you have some turnover in some of their assistant advisors. You also have some retirements that occur in the first quarter, but there's nothing different than what we've seen and the retention rate is quite strong and the assets are here. So we're not concerned about that as we go through succession planning, etc.

As far as the pipeline, we feel is very good. One of the things that people have told us is they value very much what we do and what we provide, but they also value the strength and the integrity of the firm and how we're positioned. I've mentioned a few accolades about how clients trust us. But when you have a very stable institution like Ameriprise, that is able to really navigate these market circumstances [Indecipherable] stand by their clients, that's what advisors are looking for as well.

Craig Siegenthaler
Analyst at Bank of America

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll go next now to Ryan Krueger of KBW.

Ryan Krueger
Analyst at KBW

Thanks. Good morning. My first question was on the Comerica partnership. Can you give us -- what type of assets does it stick of the $18 billion that are coming over into your platform?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

So it's a mix of handsets as an example. Advisors hold various assets. They invested in the market. There is a combination of wrap type of assets, there is funds, other things like that. There is insurance contracts. So it's -- and but what we've been able to do is show of what we can do to help those advisors and that client deepening and expand that base and add more clients to their base for the bank. So we feel very good that the $18 billion will transfer with that. There is an opportunity for us to help them grow that. And that's what they're looking to do.

Ryan Krueger
Analyst at KBW

Got it. Thanks. And then, on your initiative to introduce new savings products within the bank, do you see the earnings characteristics of that as similar to the certificate balances? Or do you have a preference from a profitability standpoint within the bank versus certificates?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

We believe, actually, it will be higher based on the investment strategy and the other elements within it. So we were actually pick up the yield on that.

Ryan Krueger
Analyst at KBW

Thanks. And then just one last quick one. The $66 billion of total client cash you mentioned, does that include CDs from outside of Ameriprise, as well as money market funds, or was that predominantly CDs?

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Yeah. So it would include our clients, our advisors putting their clients in brokered CDs we have on the platform from financial institutions.

Ryan Krueger
Analyst at KBW

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Operator

We'll go next now to Alex Blostein of Goldman Sachs.

Michael
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Hey, guys. This is Michael on for Alex. I was wondering if we could maybe get an update on cash balances so far in 2Q? And maybe how that's trended on a monthly basis? All else equal, I'm trying to figure out what the seasonal impact might be on taxes. It sounds like you guys might have seen that in March and April already, but it looks like historically that might be a 2% to 3% sequential impact. So any update on cash balances that you can give us so far in the quarter?

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

I think the best we can give you from [Indecipherable] looking at the sweep, it is totally -- it is the basically sorting -- it's totally slowed from that standpoint. And so -- and as I indicated, we have now for $100,000 and under its move. If you look at the end of the fourth quarter, it was something like 52% of the percentage of it, now it's almost 60% of it. So basically, it's very stable at that standpoint and we feel very comfortable from that standpoint that it's performing the way we thought it would.

And so on that basis, the sorting[Phonetic] is there and we are growing on [Indecipherable] from that. And certainly, as I mentioned before, we are strongly considering transferring more effect into the bank once we finish our analytics on it.

Michael
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Great. That's helpful. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

No, as I just mentioned, it's a seasonal element when you go from the fourth quarter to the first quarter because of the taxes. I can't -- I don't -- I can't give you the exact 2% whatever, but it's certainly -- there is outflows related to that.

Michael
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Thanks. And then, maybe for the follow-up, can you help us maybe think through the NIM impact at the bank from the upcoming maturity roll-on, roll-off yield? Maybe the mix of assets between fixed and variable at the bank, and what the duration profile of those might look like?

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Yeah. So that's an interesting point, because as we mentioned, we have somewhere in the area of $2.5 billion rolling-off and certainly, that is going to the previous question, increase are basically spread. As it relates to it -- and right now as we assess it and certainly looking at this, why we continue with that same strategy and mix, that we will -- we currently have, which is the 3.1 year duration. So we feel very comfortable with that. And but that redeployment of the maturing will certainly increase the yield.

Michael
Analyst at The Goldman Sachs Group

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll go next now to Jeff Schmitt at William Blair.

Jeff Schmitt
Analyst at William Blair

Hi, thank you. I may have missed it, but I think you had mentioned the reinvestment rate of the bank was around 6.5% at the end of last year. What was it in the first quarter? And do you continue to invest mainly in MBS, or is that strategy shifted at all?

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

The reinvestment in the bank, yes, so from that standpoint, we are -- I'm not sure I understand the question.

Jeff Schmitt
Analyst at William Blair

The reinvestment rate, I think you'd mentioned was around over 6% at the end of last year, essentially the new money yield.

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

I'm just not getting your question. I'm sorry.

Alicia Charity
Senior Vice President of Investor Relations at Ameriprise Financial

[Indecipherable] the first quarter, not the end of last year?

Jeff Schmitt
Analyst at William Blair

Yeah. What was it in the first quarter?

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

The reinvestment yield, Walter.

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

The reinvestment yield in the quarter was 6%, I believe in the first quarter, as I indicated and we were tracking at 6%. Sorry, I didn't get the question at first.

Jeff Schmitt
Analyst at William Blair

Okay. And then when you look at client allocations of the certificates, just as interest rates go up, it's around 25% of the mix now. I think when we look back in 2019, it reached a similar level. But just with interest rates higher and for longer in this cycle, do you have any sense on where that could go, or what's your expectation there?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Yeah. So listen, you are seeing it certainly increase enough from that [Indecipherable] because it basically gives the clients as you get into the three and six, primarily in the three and six months. It gives them that opportunity to basically meet your objective set. So, we see it's still increasing there. But as Jim mentioned, we are certainly be offering the brokered products in the bank, which will certainly provide us additional yield. So, I would think it will still grow, and from that standpoint as -- So, I think it's tracking what you see basically all the alternatives that we provide to our clients.

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Yeah. It's going to grow because we're bringing in more client assets, right, and not all of it's going to be deployed directly in the market. So there's going to be some that go into cash type of holdings. So, some of it that their clients will use for transactional activity and holding for emergency expenses will be kept in type sweep accounts and others that positional cash will be put into things, earning some of the yield that they're looking for. And a lot of these CDs are not necessarily long-term CDs, right, brokered CDs as well.

So that's where the cash will grow. And some of it has been coming from the regional bank activity, I would imagine. So, I feel like the certificate program can grow, that's why we're also going to offer our own brokered CD to garner some of that cash that clients want to move into the firm. And we've clearly seen a pattern from, basically, what we call the cash reserve, which is a short-term and more cash basically going into the three and six months. So people are taking advantage of that opportunity, because of the competitiveness of the rates and that standpoint.

Jeff Schmitt
Analyst at William Blair

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll go next now to Suneet Kamath at Jefferies.

Suneet Kamath
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Yeah, thanks. Just a couple more on cash. So you had mentioned that $66 billion number of which I think you have $44 billion. So as we think about the $22 billion balance, I guess, what would you think is a realistic expectation in terms of how much of that you could bring onto your platform and over what time period?

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Well, Suneet. I think the way I would think about it is that, that's roughly around 8% of the total assets now, which is a bit higher for our clients, right. Usually, it's around the 5% mark or something like that. So there's more cash being held right now. So, I think as we go through this cycle and people are looking for some alternatives coming from their banking institutions, etc, we think that we can garner some of that other cash coming in as well from bank or even as some of these CDs and other things roll-over that we're holding can go into our own banking institution.

But I also think overtime that some of that cash will be deployed back into wrap type programs, etc, as the market volatility settles or as people feel more comfortable. So it's not as though money isn't being deployed into the market, it is, right. We had over $6 billion going back into wrap in every quarter, but that could pick up as well in other transactions can pick up. So, it's hard for me to say exactly, but the idea is, we're helping to bring more client flows in and then some of that goes into cash type products, which we can garner our peice, and then others will overtime be deployed back in the market. So we think it's an opportunity for us.

Suneet Kamath
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Yeah, understood. And then, I guess, if we think about just the cash sweep balance, I don't know if you commented on this, but it was down, I guess, $6 billion quarter-over-quarter to around $10 billion. Can you give us some help in terms of how you see that $10 billion trending maybe over the next couple of quarters? And I guess, of that $6 billion decline, I think some of it went into the bank, some of it went into search, but I -- can you give us some help in terms of where sort of the rest of it went? Because I'm having a little bit of trouble seeing exactly where that cash went.

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

So, obviously, as Jim mentioned, the cash resolved[Phonetic] in total. And so, yes, you're exactly right. We pulled in into the bank. And certainly, a portion of that went into the [Indecipherable]. So the issue is, some of that went into brokerage. But the point is, we have it. It's been within our basic, overall, it's cycling through. So, I would say, we feel -- and I'm indicating again, it is clearly as we see the pattern, that sorting is basically slowing and it is basically within a range. And the base of the fact that we have 60% in the $100,000 below, and the average account balances dropped from 8,000 to 7,000 is an important factor for us as we evaluate.

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Suneet, so you had I think 46, gone up 44, [Indecipherable] $3 billion from the $10 billion went into the bank. And then you had, I don't know, a few billion went into search, but you also had some use of cash for tax payments and others. Okay, it's hard for us, but we have more client flow coming in. And then some of that might have went into brokered CDs or other things. So overall, I think we've held pretty well compared to what we've seen in the industry and we had a positive of more client flow coming in as well.

So -- and as I said, I think you can't necessarily box a number ideally, but it's a fluid situation regarding how clients use their money as well. So, but it's pretty stable overall. So it's about 4% in total sweep, and the $10 billion is mainly from a shift for the bank and other things. So, I wouldn't look at that in isolation.

Suneet Kamath
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Makes sense. And maybe just one last one on Comerica. As we think about that opportunity, should we, Walter, be expecting any incremental cost associated with that platform as we kind of move through the year?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

I think, again, this as a short payback for us, as you look at from a P&L standpoint. So the answer is, obviously, there'll be some cost, but certainly, the revenue will do it and we have a very quick payback on it. But it's a good economic relationship for us and for Comerica.

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Yeah, I mean, you got onboarding expense and stuff and moving the clients and the advisors and stuff. But overall, we think it's a good arrangement and one that will work for both parties.

Suneet Kamath
Analyst at Jefferies Financial Group

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll go next now to Steven Chubak at Wolfe Research.

Michael Anagnostakis
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Hey, good morning. It's Michael Anagnostakis on for Stephen. I wanted to touch on -- I know you guys gave that cash per account metric of $7,000 for the quarter, certainly a helpful metric to have. Where are we for that metric relative to the trough you had seen last cycle? Just trying to gauge the potential downside relative to cash as a percentage of AUM. Thanks.

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

I really can't give, but I would say, it's always been stability factor for us that portion and working capital and the balance there. So I can't give you exact -- I just -- as I said, it just dropped from -- if you look at the previous quarter, it's dropped by 1,000. So it is -- from that standpoint, we feel very good about it. It's been a stable element within it and it did increase a lot as certainly as we went through the cycle coming through and that was again in the harder balances. So, I just can't give you the numbers going back that far.

Michael Anagnostakis
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Got it. No worries. Okay. So I did want to touch on Asset Management too. Expenses very well-controlled. You reached that 31% low-end of the target range. I guess, assuming stable markets, is the 31% sustainable run-rate, given the efficiency efforts you're continuing to look to deliver on or is there some downside to that? Just any color there would be helpful. Thanks.

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

I think this downside [Indecipherable] It's a lot of variability in it. As you look at rates and look at mix and look at -- but certainly, the expenses are being extremely well-managed from that standpoint. So that's the controllable factor in it as we look at it. And certainly, as we look at hopefully, that we start getting back on a better pattern, but we're certainly aligned with the industry where that is and we certainly moving into that 31% to 35% is basically we feel comfortable. But it's again, a lot of variability.

Michael Anagnostakis
Analyst at Wolfe Research

Thanks so much.

Operator

Thank you. We'll go next now to Tom Gallagher at Evercore.

Tom Gallagher
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Good morning. Walter, just a follow-up on the customer cash balances. I think one of the earlier questions had asked you whether or not you would expect the earnings contribution from customer cash balances to be stable. Let me ask it in a different way. What do you expect the earnings contribution to be for the next couple of quarters? Well, do you expect it to be stable or up higher? Just some kind of range.

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

I can't give you exact range, but let me be clear. The drivers of it are clearly as we indicated, the maturity element as relates in the bank and shifting in there. So as we get the maturity, those being risk, and that's going to take the interest-rate up. We certainly see the slowing -- really slowing down on the -- the bank transfer will certainly take that up again as we get more comfortable. The certs looking at the timing from the standpoint with the rates increasing. We do see an opportunity that the net spread will increase there.

So, I would say, certainly, it will get stable to up as we look at the elements, but they're placed, now you have rate movements in there, you have different elements, but it's that stability factor of what is embedded today. So if everything are frozen, yes, you should feel stable to up.

Tom Gallagher
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Got it. Stable to up, that's what I was looking for. Thanks.

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Thank you.

Tom Gallagher
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Now in terms of the 6% new money yields, I'll definitely be getting questions on that, like what are you buying exactly? Is it still RMBS? Is it floating-rate?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

We have a combination of floating-rate. But it is really structured, and that's where we basically are and it's the highest-quality. So we are being very selective there. But the yields are there and we just -- we are patient and that's -- but like I said, it's in the bank, especially it's AAA and we feel very comfortable, especially in this environment sticking there. But those are the levels we are finding, and we're certainly having the benefit of having CTI manage that and help us work through that. So it is strictly, -- you should look at majority is in the structure.

Tom Gallagher
Analyst at Evercore ISI

And the crediting rate on that, we'll call it $1.7 billion of net deposits into the bank. Was that consistent with the cash sweep, like 50 basis points or what would the implementing credit rate would been?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Basically a part of AWM and that is its cost of funds. And that's why we feel comfortable with that. And certainly, as rate -- if rates go up and down, we will evaluate deposit data. But yeah, that is you're exactly spot-on.

Tom Gallagher
Analyst at Evercore ISI

So the incremental spread is over 500 basis points right now on the asset you're shifting in.

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

As the source, yes, because the source of those deposits is the spread, is coming out of the sweep.

Tom Gallagher
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Thanks. And then, just one final one on Comerica. I heard what you said to, Suneet, but the -- Is that going to just be a revenue-share or is there some upfront cash payment that will be made to them, that's going to use up excess capital at the end of the year? How is that going to work?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

No, I do not believe. Again, this is like any deal, like to ask you basically upfront and you then get the paybacks that it worked through it and we feel very comfortable with the combination. And so it will, as I said, make certainly from a P&L standpoint of contribution, then we look at the cash breakeven. So we feel very good. As Jim said, we'll have some upfront expenses, but it's a good economic deal for both of us.

Tom Gallagher
Analyst at Evercore ISI

Okay, thanks.

Operator

Thank you. We'll go next now to John Barnidge of Piper Sandler.

John Barnidge
Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

Good morning. Thank you very much for the opportunity. My question is on the Asset Management segment. Can you talk about fee rates on the flows leaving versus coming in? And then institutional tends to have a longer sales cycle. So any visibility into the pipeline, there would be helpful. Thank you.

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Yeah. So if we have retail outflows, they're always have little bit higher-margin than the fee rate than the institutional side. The good thing on the institutional, some of the flows we got in were real-estate, which is very good fee rates. And that looks like we have a decent pipeline as well going forward. But of course, in retail, is your -- a bit higher fee rate. So that's where on the outflows, we're probably net-net, a bit negative there.

And so, but hopefully the retail will turn around. It looked like Europe has actually slowed. It was almost neutral in the quarter, which is good. And if that picks up, that has positive fee rates even more than the U.S. So that would be positive for us there. But the U.S. is still a bit weaker on the growth side, but the redemptions has come down. So hopefully, we'll see a turnaround. And so, I think that we see more stabilization occurring and hopefully, that will pick up as we go through the year.

John Barnidge
Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

Great. Thank you. And then my follow-up question, you were talking about additional synergies in Asset Management with integration to be completed by end of '23. Those additional synergies, I know sometimes in Europe, a notice period maybe longer. Are you talking about those synergies being announced or flowing through earnings by the end of the year? Thank you.

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

So we should garner about as it relates to -- not realized, but certainly garner around 57% of it in that range, 50% in this year. So it's tracking and you're right, it's certainly what's going on. But we feel comfortable we're on track. Is that answer your questions?

John Barnidge
Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

I was talking about the additional synergies you...

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Yes, I'm talking about BMO synergies right now. If you're talking about...

James M. Cracchiolo
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Yeah. So we're tracking, we're getting some of them this year and then more of them as we close out the year into next year, because we're going through a lot more of the technology integration now. And then from that, we can then continue to do the middle and back-office. And so -- and to your point, it does take a bit longer in Europe and the U.K. as we go through different legal entities, etc. So -- but we're on target to what we originally said.

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Yeah. So basically, as we talked about -- we talking about in the 85% range, we will have not 57%, it was $57 million we think will probably be the number that we will certainly not realized, but certainly achieve by the end of this year.

John Barnidge
Analyst at Piper Sandler Companies

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. We'll go next now to Andrew Kligerman of Credit Suisse.

Andrew Kligerman
Analyst at Credit Suisse Group

Good morning. So, couple of quick follow-ups on Comerica. So with the $18 billion in assets that you bring in, how should we think -- once you get finished with the onboarding, how should we think about the margins on that $18 billion relative to the $350 billion plus of your other non-wrap assets? Will it be materially better or will it be in-line? How should we think about that?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

I would say, from looking at it, -- our direct contribution margin there is certainly within our range and we feel very comfortable with it from, like I said, it distinguish the P&L and the cash, but certainly from that standpoint. But the P&L side of this direct contribution is totally acceptable within as we look at this channel and it's strong, it's good. And like I said, but it's good because it's balanced between for them and for us, and certainly what will add and the ability to grow that activity. So it's the contribution margins will not be denigrating to anything we have else that.

Andrew Kligerman
Analyst at Credit Suisse Group

Got it. Perfect. And then with respect to the 83 advisors you brought in, could you give us a sense of maybe the AUM per advisor relative to the AUM per advisor that you have now? And maybe a little color on their sweet-spot. Are they in that $500,000 to $5 million net-worth, what end of the spectrum do they come in at?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

Yeah. I would say, we are continuing to have that track pattern of really the quality of the AUM and the GDC, the trailing GDC is stronger and we keep on growing that. So we feel very good about that. We're being very selective to ensure that they fit into basically our relationship and approach that we have. And so it's very much aligned on that. So we feel very good about the quality of them.

Andrew Kligerman
Analyst at Credit Suisse Group

So, Walter, so net assets per advisor a little better than your average?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

I would say, yeah, it continues to be better than our average.

Andrew Kligerman
Analyst at Credit Suisse Group

Got it. And then lastly, just on the capital management. It looks like your payout ratio as a percent of operating earnings is coming in around 80-ish percent, maybe a little less historically you were at 90% or maybe even better. And I guess, with the banks having grown a lot, should we expect something in that sort of 75% to 80% payout range going-forward? Anything likely to change there?

Walter S. Berman
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer at Ameriprise Financial

So as we said, we've talked about, we have from our standpoint, we are building organically, and yes, it is capital. But we have the capacity and we feel that the -- we've given an indication that it will be in that 80% range. But we really had the ability to -- as we look at opportunistically to basically take it up. But we just -- we will evaluate the market and everything from that standpoint, but the 80% is a reasonable number at this stage as we've indicated. And most people have built that into their projections set.

Andrew Kligerman
Analyst at Credit Suisse Group

Yeah, we have. Thanks a lot.

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks]

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