Packaging Corporation of America Q4 2021 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Packaging Corporation of America reported Q4 net income of $217 million ($2.28/share) and full-year adjusted net income of $894 million ($9.39/share), up significantly from 2020.
  • The Packaging segment saw record‐setting corrugated product shipments and containerboard production, driving Q4 EBITDA margin to 24.5% and full‐year margin to 20.8%.
  • Rising inflationary pressures—including higher labor, wood and energy costs—cut earnings by roughly $0.68 per share in Q4, with freight and logistics adding $0.24 per share.
  • To manage supply risks, PCA postponed the Jackson mill No. 3 conversion to fall 2022 while continuing to run both Jackson machines on containerboard, and completed the integration of the Advanced Packaging acquisition.
  • PCA invested $239 million in Q4 (full-year $605 million) and plans ~$800 million in 2022 CapEx, repurchased 1.4 million shares in Q4, and secured a new $1 billion buyback authorization.
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Earnings Conference Call
Packaging Corporation of America Q4 2021
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There are 12 speakers on the call.

Operator

Thank you for joining Packaging Corporation of America's 4th Quarter and Full Year 2021 Earnings Results Conference Call. Your host today will be Mark Hosen, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of BCA. Upon conclusion of his narrative, there will be a Q and A session. I will now turn the conference over to Mr. Kosen, and please proceed when you are ready.

Speaker 1

Quarter. Thank you, Myra. Good morning, and thank you all for participating in Packaging Corporation of America's 4th quarter and full year 2021 earnings release conference call. I'm Mark Kolzan, Chairman and CEO of PCA. And with me on the call today is Tom Hassfurther, Executive Vice President, who runs the Packaging business and Bob Mundy, our Chief Financial Officer.

Speaker 1

I'll begin the call with an overview of our 4th quarter and full year results. And now I'll be turning the call over to Tom and Bob, who will provide further details. I'll then wrap things up and then after that we'll be glad to take questions. Yesterday, we reported 4th quarter 2021 net income of $217,000,000 or $2.28 per share. Excluding the special items, 4th quarter 2021 net income quarter was $262,000,000 or $2.76 per share compared to Q4 2020 net income of $127,000,000 or $1.33 per share.

Speaker 1

4th quarter net sales were $2,000,000,000 in 2021 $1,700,000,000 in 2020. Total company EBITDA for the 4th quarter, excluding special items was $463,000,000 in 20.21 $293,000,000 and 2020. 4th quarter and full year 2021 net income included special items primarily for costs associated with the company's debt refinancing that was completed in October of 2021 and We also reported full year 2021 earnings excluding special items of $894,000,000

Speaker 2

or

Speaker 1

$9.39 per share compared to 2020 earnings, excluding special items $550,000,000 or $5.78 per share. Net sales were $7,700,000,000 in $2021,000,000 $6,700,000,000 in 2020. Excluding special items, Total company EBITDA in 2021 was $1,700,000,000 compared to $1,200,000,000 in 2020. Details of all special items for the years 2021 2020 were included in the schedules that accompanied the earnings press release. Excluding the special items, the $1.43 per share increase in Q4 2021 earnings Compared to the Q4 of 2020, was driven primarily by higher prices and mix of $2.17 and volume $0.35 in our Packaging segment, higher prices in mix in our Paper segment for $0.09 A lower tax rate for $0.04 lower non operating pension expense, 0 point 0 $3 lower interest expense $0.02 and other items $0.02 These items were Partially offset by higher operating costs of $0.68 per share, primarily due to inflation related increases, particularly in the areas of labor and benefits expenses, wood and recycled fiber costs, energy, repairs, materials and supplies as well as several other indirect and fixed cost areas.

Speaker 1

We had higher freight and logistics expenses of $0.24 per share as diesel prices and fuel surcharges continued to increase along with continuing truck and driver shortages and very low boxcar availability. Scheduled maintenance outage expenses were $0.14 per share above last year and volumes in our Paper segment were lower by $0.11 per share as both our machines at the Jackson Mill produced containerboard the entire quarter versus only a portion of last year's 4th quarter. Finally, inflation on pallets and other materials drove converting costs higher by $0.08 per share and depreciation expense was higher by $0.04 per share. Looking at the Packaging business, EBITDA excluding special items in the Q4 of 2021 of $461,000,000 With sales of $1,900,000,000 resulted in a margin of 24.5% versus last year's EBITDA of $303,000,000 and sales of $1,500,000,000 or 19.7 percent margin. For the full year 2021, Packaging segment EBITDA excluding special items was $1,700,000,000 2020 EBITDA of $1,200,000,000 with sales of $5,900,000,000 or a 20.8% margin.

Speaker 1

Demand in our Packaging segment remained very strong with record setting shipments from our corrugated products plants. In order to meet the needs of our plants, the mills ran full out producing a record 4th quarter volume of containerboard. The high efficiency of our mill operations along with a very successful scheduled outage at our DeRidder, Louisiana mill and favorable seasonal weather patterns relative to temperatures and precipitation helped minimize higher inflation driven operating costs during the quarter. Although we completed the scheduled outage at our DeRidder mill earlier than we planned and we produced containerboard on both machines at the Jackson Mill for the entire quarter, We ended the year with inventory, including the additional containerboard from our December acquisition of Advanced Packaging below 3rd quarter levels. And on a weeks of supply basis, we are once again below our targeted and historical levels.

Speaker 1

Considering the anticipated strong demand and to mitigate potential project risk to supply chain bottlenecks For material and critical equipment deliveries, we've decided to postpone the first phase of the Jackson Alabama number 3 machine conversion from the spring and into the fall of this year. In order to enhance the capabilities for reaching our target inventory levels and with 4 other mills Already scheduled for the first half of twenty twenty two outages. We felt this was a very prudent decision to ensure our customers are supplied with their needs and the quality of our conversion work at the mill meets PCA standards. We plan to continue producing containerboard on both Jackson machines for the foreseeable future. And we will continue to refine our estimates and assumptions to fully understand the potential of the entire mill to produce containerboard on both machines at their optimal cost and quality.

Speaker 1

I'll now turn it over to Tom, who'll provide more details on containerboard sales and the corrugated business specifically.

Speaker 3

Quarter. Thanks, Mark. As Mark alluded to, in the Q4, our corrugated products plants established a new 4th quarter total shipments record and set a new all time quarterly record for shipments per day, both up 0.1% over the Q4 of 2020, Which was an all time record quarter for us and the industry. On a sequential basis, we exceeded Q3 2021 total shipments, even though we had 3 less shipping days in the Q4. For the full year, annual corrugated shipment records were set as well, Both in total, up 4.5 percent and shipments per day, up 5% with 1 less shipping day compared to 2020.

Speaker 3

In addition to supplying the record internal needs of our box plants, our outside sales volume of containerboard was 36,000 tons higher than Q3 of 2021, 91,000 tons above last year's Q4. In addition to the strong domestic market, As we typically do during the second half of the year, we needed to catch up on commitments to our key export customers. As you know, we are not large players in the export market, but we've developed long term relationships with certain customers over many years, and you can't just turn these relationships on and off based on the relative dynamics in the domestic and global markets. Domestic containerboard and corrugated products prices and mix together were $1.87 per share higher quarter in the Q4 of 2020 and up $0.37 per share versus the Q3 of 2021 as we have substantially completed our rollout of last year's price increase announcements. Export containerboard prices were $0.30 per share above the Q4 of 2020 and $0.09 per share higher than the Q3 of 2021.

Speaker 3

Regarding our Q4 demand and our current outlook for 2022, as I mentioned before, the same issues that continue to impact our ability to more volume out of our box plants also persist with our customers and suppliers. Labor shortages, which had Already been an issue for some time have been even more challenging with the impact of the omicron variant. Truck and driver availability, The lack of available boxcars to move containerboard from our mills to our box plants and many other supply chain bottlenecks will continue to be challenges for quite some time. Customers continue to tell us they have higher demand and could ship more if not for these or similar issues. There is no doubt we view demand as strong and we gives us the ability to integrate over 80,000 tons per year and provide several other benefit and synergy opportunities that we will deliver on very quickly.

Speaker 3

Although there was no meaningful contribution to our 4th quarter results as the transaction closed late in the quarter, We have already made tremendous progress integrating Advance into our operations and we are off to a great start toward achieving our goals and objectives. This could not have been accomplished without the outstanding effort and dedication of the employees of PCA, including our newest employees from Advanced Packaging. I'll now turn it back to Mark.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Tom. $1,000,000 with sales of $143,000,000 or an 18.4 percent margin compared to Q4 2020 EBITDA of $10,000,000 and sales of $156,000,000 or a 6.1 percent margin. For the full year 2021, Paper segment EBITDA, Excluding special items was $72,000,000 with sales of $600,000,000 or a 12% margin compared to full year 2020 EBITDA of $73,000,000 with sales of $675,000,000 or a 10.8% margin. As expected, sales volume was below last year and Q3 2021 levels As we did not produce any paper volume at the Jackson Mill during the quarter. Average paper prices and mix We're 9% above 4th quarter for 2020 and over 3% higher than the Q3 of 2021 To produce uncoated free sheet on both machines at Jackson, we will continue to monitor market conditions and run our paper system accordingly.

Speaker 1

Quarter. As we begin the call, we as we begin the year, we anticipate that volume from our Paper segment will be fairly representative of the over 500,000 ton per year capacity at the International Falls Mill. The commercial team and the employees at International Falls expect solid EBITDA margins of 15% to 20% from the Paper segment. Finally, I'll mention that last week, we notified customers of an $80 per ton price increase effective with shipments beginning February 14 for all office papers, printing papers and converting papers. I'll now turn it over to Bob.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Mark.

Speaker 4

The lower tax rate benefit in the Q4 was the result of favorable state income tax return versus provision adjustments made annually. We expect our tax rate for the Q1 of 2022 to represent a more typical rate of approximately 25%. Cash provided by operations during the quarter totaled $391,000,000 with free cash flow of 152,000,000 Capital expenditures were $239,000,000 which was a bit higher than the guidance we gave you on our last call last quarter As we were able to get more work completed on projects at several corrugated plants as well as items related to the Jackson number 3 machine conversion than we had anticipated. For the year, our total capital spending of $605,000,000 was still below our original guidance range due to the same material, equipment and labor availability issues we spoke about last quarter. Other cash payments during the Q4 included $189,000,000 for purchase price of the Advanced Packaging acquisition, dividend payments of $95,000,000 cash tax payments quarter of $42,000,000 and net interest payments of $38,000,000 As we mentioned on our last call, During the Q3, we issued $700,000,000 of 30 year 3.05 percent notes and use the proceeds from these notes to redeem our 4.5 percent, dollars 700,000,000 2023 notes in early October.

Speaker 4

This transaction lowered our overall interest rate from 3.9% to 3.5%, lowered our annual interest expense by $11,000,000 per year and extended our average debt maturity from 8 0.5 years to 16.3 years. Our gross debt remained unchanged at $2,500,000,000 Based on the timing of closing the new bonds in September, our cash balance at the end of the Q3 included the new bond proceeds. However, since the redemption of the old bonds occurred in October, there was a cash outflow in the 4th quarter totaling $756,000,000 which included a redemption premium for the retired bonds. The final significant cash payment in the 4th quarter was $193,000,000 for repurchasing over 1,400,000 shares of our common stock at an average price of $133.79 per share. This provided an earnings per share benefit of approximately $0.01 in the 4th quarter compared to last year and we Expect an additional sequential benefit of approximately $0.02 per share in the Q1 of 2022.

Speaker 4

These repurchases of our outstanding stock together with $380,000,000 of annual dividend payments represent over 52% of cash from operations or 64% of net income that was returned to shareholders in 2021. We ended the year with $765,000,000 of cash including marketable securities and our liquidity at December 31st was just under $1,100,000,000 For the full year 2021, cash from operations was $1,100,000,000 And free cash flow was $489,000,000 Our recurring effective tax rate for 2021 was 24% and our final reported cash tax rate was 19%. Regarding full year estimates For 2022 of certain key items for the as we move forward. We expect total capital expenditures to be approximately $800,000,000 and DD and A is expected to be approximately 4 $55,000,000 With the recent Q4 2021 share repurchases, we expect dividend payments of approximately $375,000,000 and cash pension and post retirement benefit plan contributions of 52,000,000 Our full year interest expense in 2022 is expected to be approximately $86,000,000 and net cash interest payments Should be about $85,000,000 The estimate for our 2022 combined federal and state cash tax rate Approximately 20% and our book effective tax rate approximately 25%. Currently planned annual maintenance outages at our mills in 2022 will result in approximately 35,000 more tons of lost containerboard production compared to 2021, which includes the tons lost during the first phase of the Jackson number 3 machine conversion in the Q4.

Speaker 4

The annual earnings impact of these outages including lost volume, direct costs and amortized repair costs is expected to be $1.13 per share compared to $0.91 per share in 2021. Quarter. Current estimated impact by quarter 2022 is $0.15 per share in the Q1, dollars 0.33 in the 2nd quarter, $0.24 in the 3rd and $0.41 per share in the 4th quarter. I'll now turn it back over to Mark.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Bob. For almost 2 years now, our employees have displayed tremendous adaptability and energy to overcome many obstacles in both their personal and work lives to deliver significant accomplishments throughout the company. We achieved new records for both containerboard shipments and corrugated product shipments. We successfully completed or substantially completed significant cost reduction and process improvement projects at our mills, including a new boiler at our Filer Mill for utilizing self generated biogenic sources for energy, fiber flexibility projects at Wallula in Jackson, Alabama, woodyard, head box and shoe press improvements at Wallula Mill, head box and wet end upgrades at the Valdosta Mill, reel upgrades, pulp mill refining and shoe press improvements at DeRidder Louisiana and many others. Along with our recent acquisition of Navans Packaging, we completed numerous high return projects in our corrugated products plants that will allow us to continue to better optimize the entire packaging business for the future and deliver profitable growth and mix enhancement opportunities for our customers and shareholders.

Speaker 1

All the capital improvement projects that I referenced in the mills and corrugated plants required the complete involvement of PCA personnel from project conception, preliminary and detailed engineering, all the way through to project implementation and startup. Although it required significant capital investments in order to achieve these important initiatives, We did so while improving our industry leading return on invested capital to over 19%. We optimized the platform and financial results of our paper business while utilizing the versatility of the Jackson, Alabama mill to produce containerboard with minimal capital spending and delivering over $100,000,000 of profit to our packaging business in 2021. Over 64% of our net income was returned to shareholders from dividend payments and stock repurchases. In addition, with our recent debt refinancing, we lowered the overall interest rate from 3.9% to 3.5%, lowered our annual interest expense by $11,000,000 per year and extended the average debt maturity from 8.5 years to 16.3 years.

Speaker 1

And finally, we ended the year with almost $1,100,000,000 of liquidity and a strong balance sheet, which maintains the financial flexibility to react quickly to most situations or opportunities in the future. These accomplishments along with the recently approved $1,000,000,000 share repurchase authorization clearly illustrate our continued commitment to a balanced approach towards capital allocation in order to profitably grow our company and return and maximize the returns to our shareholders while still adhering to our conservative balance sheet approach, as we've done for many years. I'm very proud of the accomplishments and the strong partnerships that we've built with our customers and suppliers over many years. Looking ahead as we move from the 4th and into the Q1 in our Packaging segment, we expect to benefit from higher corrugated product shipments with 3 additional shipping days. And we expect shipments per day to be higher than last year's Q1 as demand remains very strong along with slightly higher domestic and export prices and mix.

Speaker 1

Additionally, In our Paper segment, we expect higher prices and mix from our previously announced price increase that was implemented beginning last November. There should also be a small benefit in the Q1 from our most recent uncoated free sheet price increase that was announced last week. Scheduled outage expenses will be lower and we expect a small benefit from our recent share repurchases. However, continued higher inflation across most all operating and converting costs as well as freight and logistics expenses more than offset these benefits. We estimate this to be the largest inflation driven sequential cost increase in our history.

Speaker 1

In addition to the inflation related impact, labor and benefits costs will also be higher due to timing related increases as we start a new year and seasonally colder weather should increase energy and wood costs. Considering these items, we expect 1st quarter earnings of $2.50 per share. This does not include any potential benefit from a $70 per ton price increase across all liner and medium grades that we communicated to quarters within the last few days. With that, we'd be happy to entertain any questions, but I must remind you that some of the statements we've made on the call constituted forward looking statements. Quarter.

Speaker 1

These statements were based on current estimates, expectations and projections of the company and involve inherent risks and uncertainties, and in subsequent quarterly reports on Form 10 Q that are filed with the SEC. Actual results could differ materially from those expressed in these forward looking statements. And with that, Myra, I'd like to open the call to questions, please.

Operator

Thank you. You have our first question comes from the line of George Staphos from Bank of America. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 2

Thanks. Hi, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for the details and congratulations on the year. I guess my first question to start, Can you talk a bit in a little bit more detail on where your shipments and bookings are early in the quarter?

Speaker 2

And did the tightness in the market and all of the supply constraints that we've seen and heard about in the sector overall give you any opportunity to optimize your mix Incorrugated. Could you provide some color there?

Speaker 5

And then

Speaker 2

a couple of follow ons.

Speaker 1

We'll let Tom get into that.

Speaker 3

George, it's Tom. Good

Speaker 2

morning, Tom.

Speaker 3

Yes. Let me just give you a little bit of flavor for where we're starting out the year. If you and there's a little confusion in the numbers perhaps. So The FBA considered January 3rd to be a full workday, whereas for the most part, PCA, that was a holiday. So if you left the FBA number in, we're up about 2% for the month.

Speaker 3

If you took that number out, you just went with the PCA days, we're up 9%. So maybe blended somewhere in there, we're probably up about 5%, 5.5%. But as the quarter rolls on, that will kind of smooth out and even out. Regarding the supply constraints and optimizing mix, we're constantly looking at those sorts of things. And yes, there's no question that at times we'll have to rationalize some business, we'll have to do some other things.

Speaker 3

But For the most part, I'd just remind you, I mean, we've got 16,000 plus customers. We've partnered with these customers over a long, long period of time. We're very selective to the type of people we do business with, and we want to align ourselves with people who have long term growth potential where we can enjoy both growth together. So that kind of hopefully that answers your question This morning.

Speaker 2

Yes. Thanks for that, Bob. I mean to some degree, even you said though in your release that price mix Was a positive contributor to results relative to your guidance in the quarter. So I don't know if there's anything else you want to call out there. My other two ones and I'll turn it over.

Speaker 2

Was there or could you quantify to some degree the benefit that the Packaging Got from Jackson producing purely containerboard and coming up the curve, recognizing Not all the work is done there. And similarly, in paper, what benefits you got from not having some of those costs trapped since they're now allocated to Packaging? And was there any kind of benefit from no open market pulp purchasing for Jackson for the paper business? And then, Mark, just on the share repurchase authorization. Obviously, you completed the last one.

Speaker 2

Obviously, the company generates a lot of cash flow. What if anything should we draw from the $1,000,000,000 authorization relative to your need for capital quarter. Thank you, guys. Good luck in the quarter.

Speaker 1

Thanks. Tom and I will handle both the first part of the question. But if you think about Jackson, For the full year, we produced probably 400 and just almost 450,000 tons of board at the mill. We had a home for all of that through our system. If you look at it another way, if we hadn't had Jackson, we wouldn't have been able to grow with the customers in the manner that we had and Generate the results.

Speaker 1

I called out on my portion of the script. Jackson contributed $100,000,000 to the segment for the year. And again, Tom, if you think about Jackson and what it allowed us to do.

Speaker 3

Yes, certainly, certainly, Mark. And George, if Think about it. With the volume that we had and that we were able to grow with our existing customer base, Had we not had Jackson, none of that would have materialized for the most part. And so the big jump in improvement Really is a result of being able to get that Board out of Jackson. And if you recall, I believe we forecast To be to take about 25 percent downtime in Jackson in the 4th quarter, which we didn't do at all, just due to the fact that we had significant demand and that demand is carrying right into the Q1.

Speaker 3

And

Speaker 1

then Bob, you want to add to that?

Speaker 4

Yes. And George, regarding the I think your question around the shift of costs from paper segment to packaging relative to Jackson in the quarter. Well, year over year, it was probably around $13,000,000 that moved from paper to package of cost. And then sequentially, it was probably $6,000,000 maybe about $7,000,000 that moved from paper to packaging.

Speaker 1

And then regarding the share buyback, as far as the remaining authorization that was utilized, It was the decision was made. It was the right time to use that authorization. It was the right time to buy and Send that signal. And then as far as the new authorization for $1,000,000,000 again, we just feel that's the appropriate number to have available as we go forward, and it continues to send the right message to the investors and shareholders We're going to continue delivering a return in many different ways, dividends, share repurchases, capital investments And growing the company, I. E, growing the earnings that support all of that.

Speaker 1

So move on to the next question, please. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Phil Ng from Jefferies. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, guys. Congrats on another strong quarter. It's great to see box shipments track really strong out of gates and you do have a little tougher comps. It'd be helpful, Tom, maybe give us some perspective how you're thinking about the cadence and the growth profile For this year, given some of the challenges you're seeing in supply chain, should we expect more of a normal PCA growth year again?

Speaker 3

Yes, I would I'm very bullish. We're starting out very strong. We've got very good backlogs going into the year. It would be it would certainly be nice to get on a little more onto the downside of this Omicron strain, Because if there's any one thing that's impacting right now, it's the fact that not only do we have labor shortages as a result of it, but so do our customers. So it's a little bit choppy in our ability to be able to supply our customers on a consistent basis because things are changing almost daily in every single box plant across the United States.

Speaker 3

But all of our customers virtually across the board Tell us that they could have shipped significantly more if not for the labor shortages, truck issues And other supply chain issues that we mentioned.

Speaker 6

Got it. That's helpful. And then from a CapEx standpoint, the $800,000,000 CapEx, It's a big number, appreciating there's a lot of capital for Jackson, but any other bigger projects you want to call out that's going to be a nice needle mover, whether box plant or any cost out takeout projects you have in place for this year?

Speaker 1

Let me just Describe it in this manner. For 2021, we were working on 10 60 projects between the mills and box plants. And just in the box plants alone, on what we'd call significant size projects, We had over 100 projects that were taken care of and involving 53 of the plants And we're continuing that effort. And it involves everything from equipment replacement, equipment upgrades, corrugator rebuilds, new corrugators, just a continuing effort that we've been executing for the last 4, 5 years now. We're doing it in a bigger way.

Speaker 1

The mills continue to Enhance that opportunity to work on cost and efficiency. As we speak, We just 2 days ago, we just finished the rebuild of the Wallula No. 2 paper machine. We rebuilt the wet end, new head box, new stock approach, all new electric drives, new DCS, a lot of supporting equipment on the machine. A lot of that work was done primarily by our own PCA personnel.

Speaker 1

And it was again just another example of what we do. Also as we speak, we're completing the 1st larger phase of the $50 some odd 1,000,000 Woodyard project at Wallula. That's been started up over the last week. So these are the type of projects that will continue to Enhance our ability. And so these projects will just continue.

Speaker 1

We have a whole portfolio that we worked on every year, These are the type of projects that we'll continue to see, just, again, numerous enhancements throughout the system. So

Speaker 6

That's great color, Mark. And just one last one, I'm appreciating you're seeing a lot of inflation across the board. But did you mention that It's the biggest sequential improvement, I mean, hit, I guess, in terms of operating costs. Are there any big buckets you want to cut out? Because I mean, at least on OCC Gas prices seems to at least be stabilizing a little bit.

Speaker 6

So be helpful kind of buckets in the biggest buckets where you're seeing a step up sequentially?

Speaker 4

Yes, Phil, this is Bob. You sort of look as we said, there's inflation like we've never seen in addition to what The normal timing and seasonal type things. Moving sequentially all in, it's $0.55 to $0.60 per share. And I would say maybe $0.10 a little over $0.10 of that is just the seasonal timing type thing. So The balance of that is this inflation we're referring to.

Speaker 4

And yes, you're right. I think OCC seems to Stabilized a bit, although extremely high compared to last year still. But the other buckets, whether it be The majority of the change in wood fiber, pretty much every chemical that we use is going up. Energy will be higher. And then the big one is labor and benefits over and above the timing type items that I mentioned.

Speaker 4

So it's really across the board in repairs and materials and other things. And of course freight, freight is another big item. So There's they're all fairly significant relative to what we've seen historically.

Speaker 6

Got it. Thanks a lot guys. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Next question please.

Operator

Our next question comes from Mark Wilde from Bank of Montreal. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thanks. Good morning, Mark, Tom, Bob. Good morning. Mark, I wondered if you could just help us with A little more in the way of kind of cadence and details around sort of the steps as we go forward at Jackson in terms of Generally, what you're doing at each phase and what the step up in capacity will be at each phase and then what you expect kind of the ultimate capacity at Jackson might look like.

Speaker 1

The phase that we talked about moving from the springtime That would be the first really big phase of machine work that will now be done in the fall. That will enhance the capability of the machine itself to Significantly produce at a higher speed. We'll be doing some work in the pulp In the back end of the mill to support some of that. We won't fully be able to take advantage of that work until the spring of 2023. So as we come out of this fall shutdown, we will have more capability to produce on a tons per day basis incremental capacity.

Speaker 1

We'll have the OCC plant completed this summer That will allow the utilization of some of that fiber over the machine after the work is done in the fall. But the bigger benefit will come in the spring of 2023 when the final additional dryers are added to the machine And there's some press work that will be done at that time that will allow the full benefit of the work to be completed. And then you'll see machine capability at the 700,000 ton production rate per year in terms of The final phase. So

Speaker 7

does that help? Any sense, Mark? Yes, that does help. But any sense of that 2nd machine and what we you might ultimately be able to produce on that machine?

Speaker 1

We've studied that. Obviously, we're not going to talk a lot about that in public. That is a very good quality machine. It's obviously not as big the number one Jackson machine is not as big a machine as the number 3, But it is a very good quality machine. It has a very good trim.

Speaker 1

So as we are doing the analysis We currently have underway. We look at market, we look at growth, we look at what our internal needs are. That machine offers a tremendous amount of opportunity. And then it depends on how much capital we would choose to apply to that opportunity. I'll give you an example.

Speaker 1

The machine with minimal capital could produce 500 tons a day or And an appropriate capital spending, you could produce 1,000 tons a day. So it all depends on what we determine is the right situation in terms of demand and where we want to get tons from, but Lot of opportunity and a great asset base.

Speaker 7

Yes. Okay. The other question I had is really more for Tom Hassberger. And Tom, I wondered if you could just give us some sense of sort of inflationary pressures at the box plant level. And also Related to that, just sort of what it means for the industry as we move to these bigger and wider corrugators and how that sort of ripples back into the mill system because it seems like most of the new corrugators that are going in are anywhere from 98 to 130 inches

Speaker 3

Yes, Mark. Well, I'll take the last one first regarding the corrugators. For a long time As an industry, we've been moving to wider corrugators. And the mills have just in my opinion, Some of that is good for mills and some of that is not so good for mills. And as Mark just talked about, When you've got a wider machine, obviously, we've got more flexibility in terms of the trim pool for those wider machines for the wider corrugators.

Speaker 3

So and quite frankly, what you need to do to efficiently get volume out of a box plant today, You're going to need a wider corrugator just to be able to run a profitable business, Getting the proper amount of footage out the door. And a lot of these narrow corrugators have are finding their way Into combining into 2 narrows into 1 larger corrugator and those sorts of things. So there's a lot of moving parts going on and that's been going on for quite some time. And if you take our meal system as an example, they just they know who their customers are and they just adapt to What the customer needs are, and we figure out a way to do it,

Speaker 8

and we figure out a

Speaker 3

way to do it very efficiently. The inflationary pressures at the box plants, You've got labor obviously is a big, big issue for us. And the inefficiencies built in with all the absenteeism and everything else around the COVID that we've been dealing with for a number of years, Transportation is an enormous issue, and all indicators are that that's still rising dramatically and energy costs as well. So those are our key drivers.

Speaker 1

I want to comment, if you went back to 2019 period, 2018 2019 and you compare the 100 and 100 of projects that we've executed over the last couple of years, all of these From new equipment, equipment upgrades, new box plants, we've improved productivity per unit hour, approximately 20% across the packaging system. And so our growth and the results would not be what they are if we had not been able to achieve the capital upgrade and Improve all of the asset base in the corrugated packaging side of the business.

Speaker 7

Yes, that's helpful, Mark. And Tom, just to be clear on the freight, Would you in the box business, would you carry the cost of freight between the box plant and the customer or does the customer pick that up?

Speaker 3

Well, that's Bill. Listen, I mean, there's a lot of different things and a lot of different pricing mechanisms that we use. But ultimately, obviously, we're just not we're not prepared to eat these enormous freight increases and stuff, and that's what's driving Some of the price improvements that we've just realized.

Speaker 7

Yes. Okay. I'll turn it over. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Next question, please.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mark Weintraub from Seaport Research. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Thank you. First, hats off, phenomenal quarter, great year. I was trying to get A better sense of you guys very thoughtful whenever you go to the market raising prices to customers. You just announced on containerboard, that And you're performing superbly internally. People have been looking at industry data and they've been questioning whether or not this is a good time to be raising prices.

Speaker 9

Again, you guys are very thoughtful. I'm sure you have a perspective and would love to If you're willing to hear you share that.

Speaker 3

Now Mark, this is Tom. We don't as you know, we never talk about Forward Looking Pricing or what our thoughts are around it or anything else. So Sure. That's all I'm going to say about that.

Speaker 9

Okay. Well, let me Just follow-up on it a little bit. I mean, in as much as I would one One of the questions I guess people are asking about is, inventory seem to be going higher. You guys probably have a better view of what's Really going on in the drivers and dynamics of place, which I'm sure you're factoring in, to the way you're Thinking about how your business plays out and how the market is, is there anything on that specific that you could share? For instance, I did notice you talked about boxcars being an issue.

Speaker 9

Would that potentially have led to For you guys or the industry for an increase in mill inventories where it's not necessarily occurring so much at the box plants. Any color like that, That maybe you could share that would help us understand in these very unusual times, some of the dynamics going on in the business That might not be so apparent to outsiders.

Speaker 1

Yes, Mark, when the AFMPA data came out recently, There was a lot of confusion. You're looking at mill data. And if you think about the way the holidays fell and you think about How the mills were running, trying to get a truck or a boxcar at the mill, Even if you could get a boxcar at the mill switched, the likelihood of getting it taken away from the mill was unlikely. Hoping that trucks would show up. Again, it was a hope.

Speaker 1

So it was the most difficult period in the history of PCA Trying to move containerboard during the holidays and we saw the largest increase of our mill inventory Since I've been here for almost 26 years in terms of a holiday build at the mill. On the other hand, we saw the opposite at the box plants. We saw the inventory drop through that low level as the mills built to the high level. And so not being able to speak for the industry though, I believe we are probably All in a similar situation, where we share a lot of the same railroads, we share a lot of the same trucking industry. And so it will be interesting when FBA comes out with their data.

Speaker 1

Tom, do you want to add a little color to that?

Speaker 3

Yes. I totally agree with you, Mark. And it's I think a lot of people jump to conclusions quickly just based on mill inventory. And as Mark just alluded to, if you look at our box plants, our box plants are very skinny on inventory right now, And we need every ton that we can get out of those mills. Nothing's changed in the demand curve, as I talked about.

Speaker 3

So, and of course, we trade paper as well, and we see the same problems coming out of other mills that we do out of our own. So, I think taking a small snapshot of inventory at the mill level, which is low, which is a low number to begin with. And seeing those numbers go up Has led to a little bit of a misnomer in my opinion as to where inventories really sit right now in the industry. Mark, if you go back before

Speaker 1

The pandemic and you think about a normal holiday, you could count on a rail switch on one switch a day even through the holidays. You'd have trucks still showing up as scheduled. Now we've just experienced a holiday where We didn't see trains for days to come and bring empty cars in and take your loaded cars away. And Because of Omicron in particular and what it was doing to the availability of drivers and rail crews, We had to deal with that. We were close to, in a few cases, running out of room to put containerboard on the floor at mills.

Speaker 1

And so it was an extremely challenging holiday period. So again, that's Our take, Lamed.

Speaker 9

I really appreciate all that additional color. Just are you seeing any easing on those Choose yet or are they still as difficult as they were a few weeks back?

Speaker 1

It's improved significantly, but it's improved Where we were before the holidays, which was not very good to begin with. I mean, it's really the pandemic related impacts of labor availability for everybody out there, whether it's the trucking industry, railroads. And so We have our inventories now headed back at the mill level into a more normal balance and getting containerboard out to the box plants and our outside customers. But again, every day is still a challenge when you look at the winter weather And how that now impacts storm to storm. So again, it's improved, But we still have all eyes on what's happening 24 hours a day trying to make sure we don't Fall behind.

Speaker 9

Thank you. Good luck on the quarter.

Speaker 1

All right. Thank you. Next question.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Gabe Hajde from Wells Fargo. Your line is open. You may now ask your question.

Speaker 10

Good morning, Mark, Tom, Bob.

Speaker 5

Good morning.

Speaker 10

I was hoping, maybe to get a little bit of insight in terms of kind of your mill system. We can obviously look at it and understand it's predominantly virgin based. But as some of your customers, I guess, become increasingly focused on environmental initiatives and want to incorporate more recycled content. Could this cause you to rethink or at least consider Having a little bit more recycled containerboard exposure in your mill system over time.

Speaker 1

Tom, why don't you go ahead, Neil?

Speaker 3

Gabe, Listen, our customer base and primarily, I mean, I think the industry has done a very good job of educating Our customer base consumers, etcetera, with the fact that we have a sustainable product. And You can't have a recycled product without starting with a virgin product. So I think that Most people now and certainly our customers and we've done a good job educating our customers to the fact that Virgin Fiber performs very well. It gives us A lot of flexibility in terms of the amount of fiber we have in the sheet. We constantly are working on those sorts of things.

Speaker 3

And that creates The recycled stream down the road. So they get the closed loop system. They get the sole sustainability story around containerboard grades. And we'll continue to do what we see as the best things to do for our company and for our mills And for our cost structures going forward. And we really believe in fiber flexibility, and And I think that's proven to be very good for us in the long term.

Speaker 10

Okay. Thank you. And then, if you can give us A little bit of sense quantitatively kind of an integration rate exiting 2021. And then is there, I don't want to say a formal target, but bandwidth that you think is comfortable for PCA to operate within and once you get to the low end or the high end, or if you're making outside purchases, When you might want to think about more mill capacity?

Speaker 1

I'll answer that and I'm sure Bob or Tom are going to weigh in on this. As far as integration, we look at ourselves as fully integrated. We continue To move a minimal amount of product to some outside customers. That balance is going to stay normalized. Tom mentioned earlier on his part of the script export sales in particular.

Speaker 1

We've had that customer base for many decades, but Rather than calling out an exact number, whether it's 92% or 94% or 95% or 98%, We are in a situation where we say we're fully integrated with the business as we run through And looked at last year, the year before and into 2022. Tom or Bob, you want to add to that?

Speaker 3

I've got very little to add to that. I mean that is the way we look at our business. And even the small outside customer base And I've mentioned before many times that outside independent customers have become smaller and smaller and smaller as they've begun As we've acquired them or other people in the industry have gone through the acquisition. And of course, The one we just did in advance, that was another very large one, that is now will now be fully integrated. But even those outside customers that we have, we have such long term relationships with them and long term contracts with them That, even to some extent, that few percentage of those customers we consider to be, and treat them like they're fully integrated.

Speaker 1

And I think also part of your question regarding Going to the outside market for containerboard, we don't see that need. We're looking out into the future years on As the packaging side grows and we need to supply that demand, we have levers to pull internally on how we would do that, and we're very comfortable looking out over the next 3 to 5 years on how we would achieve The type of growth we would expect.

Speaker 10

Thank you guys. Congrats and good luck.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Thanks for your question.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Adam Josephson from KeyBanc. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Quarter. Thanks. Good morning, Mark, Bob and Tom. Congratulations on a really fine quarter. Yes.

Speaker 11

Mark, I think George asked you about this earlier, but just back to the buyback, you mentioned that you felt like now is a good time. And I'm just wondering line now as opposed to any time over the previous year. So I mean the stock has been pretty range bound over the past several months. Obviously, you didn't buy back any stock in 2020. So I guess, why did you think now Was the appropriate time as opposed to over the past preceding year or 2?

Speaker 11

And what signal were you trying to send to investors.

Speaker 1

The only good way to answer that is that we just believed it was the right time We wanted to go ahead and just reaffirm our ability to Continue to take care of the investors and return value to the investors in numerous ways. We've been doing that with the dividends. We continue to generate extremely high returns with our capital spending that ultimately generates higher profitability, Which continues to feed into the value for the shareholders. But we felt again with the cash that we had available and the fact That the stock was trading in the range it had been, we felt it was a fair price to buy at and it was The right time to buy it. It's as simple as that.

Speaker 11

Sure. No, I appreciate that. And just one on guidance. I mean, you refrain from giving guidance at the outset of the pandemic for several quarters and then you reinstated it a few quarters ago. And obviously, you beat your guidance by $0.72 or 35% in the 4th quarter, which is outstanding.

Speaker 11

But it just Makes me wonder how much visibility you still have in your business given these significant deviations versus your guidance. So How would you characterize your visibility into what's coming over the next several weeks or this quarter for that matter, compared to what it's Then over the past several quarters and pre pandemic for that matter.

Speaker 4

Hey, Adam, this is Bob. I'll say that I I know you were one of the ones that were wanting us to quantify again once we did stop. But

Speaker 3

there are

Speaker 4

more uncertainties now probably than when we stopped Given the guidance right there after the pandemic began back in 2020, because so many things, whether it be People leaving the workforce, the COVID variants that have just made that situation worse. The supply chain has become even more complex and difficult and many more obstacles. So things that have been embedded that started after the pandemic began have just becoming they just sort of continue to get worse. There's more uncertainty now for us than there was when we stopped the guidance, frankly. And our results have shown.

Speaker 4

We've been conservative obviously in our guidance And which is one of the reasons I think we end up beating it. But as Tom alluded to, these same things that we struggle with, our customers struggle with. And they see the orders, they put in orders for containers and boxes, but yet then at the other end, they don't have the labor To get their orders out the door. So they have to change what they're doing and that changes it all backs up to our forecasting and so forth. And It's not like we all of a sudden got dumb relative to how do we do this.

Speaker 4

We've always been fairly accurate, but there's just We have a lot more unknowns now frankly than there was when we started this back in the early part of 2020.

Speaker 11

Understood. Thanks a lot, Bob. Best of luck.

Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you. Next question, please.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mike Broxton from Trust Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Thanks very much. Hi, Mark, Bob, Tom. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on a solid quarter and year. Most of my questions have been asked. Just one quick question I wanted Can I ask you about is inventory and how can you help us frame how you're thinking about inventory management on a go forward basis?

Speaker 8

Given the supply chain logistics, which you constantly stressed on the call, how do you think about inventory levels coming out of the other side? Do you think that It will be 5% higher, 10% higher. There's been a last couple of decades, there's been a big focus on just in time. Does that continue? Or do you try I got to account for any type of issues similar to the ones that you're experiencing now.

Speaker 1

Let me answer it in this way. When we came out of 2020 into 2021, we desperately needed to build inventory and we did that. And we got ourselves in a good place through the summer into the Q3. But as we've also mentioned, the inventories now have dropped to a much lower point than we Really need to be at. We're getting ready for we're actually into our annual shutdown schedules right now.

Speaker 1

So we will go through the winter and spring and end up at a very low point. And so, I'm not going to give you a number for target. I'm just going to tell you that this year as it has been for the last few years will continue to be a challenge to make sure That the mills are producing and adequately supplying the box plants. And so in that regard, it's a high class problem to have. But again for PCA, the situation is Where we had been was a good level to be at, but again we slipped and lost ground And with the logistics transportation issue.

Speaker 1

So Tom, do you want to add

Speaker 3

to that? Well, I'd just say that one thing that's One thing to keep in mind is as we've continued to grow our business, the inventory has to be somewhat commensurate with that growth. And we just have not been able to totally catch up with that. We got in as Mark said, we got into a decent position last spring summer, but Here we are starting out this year. We've got a pretty gigantic backlog.

Speaker 3

Demand has moved up again, and We've got mill outages coming. So it is all hands on deck to not only get Everything produced what we can produce at the mill level, but to get it shipped to the box plants and to some of our other customers. Now the other good news is at least that Our export business is heavy in the second half of the year and primarily into the Q4. So that will get a little relief there, but we've got a lot of work to do to get the inventory levels back up.

Speaker 8

I appreciate the color. Just as things normalize, we get past COVID, how do you think about inventories then? Will you keep, let's say, relative to what's been the historical trend, Will you look to have a larger amount of inventory just in case conditions like these supply chain issues reoccur? Are you guys going to be a little more cautious with inventory management, I guess, on a go forward basis?

Speaker 3

Yes. That really depends, Mike. I mean, what we'd really like to do is We could get back to some normality here. We like to operate with lean inventories if we can, providing we've got The whole transportation system and supply chain in place to be able to do that. Unfortunately, right now, we're still a long way away from that.

Speaker 3

But If and when that time returns, we'll operate incredibly efficiently because that's a cost area that we'd like to avoid if we could.

Speaker 1

Thanks very much. Good luck in the quarter. Quarter. Thank you. Next question please.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Pettinari from Citigroup. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Good morning.

Speaker 7

Good morning.

Speaker 1

Mark Or Tom, you talked about postponing Jackson's conversion phase from spring to the fall to meet the very strong demand that you're seeing. I'm just is it possible to quantify how many tons that sort of buys you this year, if I'm thinking about that the right way?

Speaker 4

Anthony, this is Bob. I'll just say that relative to when it was originally scheduled in the spring and now Frankly, the volume we were expecting out of Jackson this year is really about will be about the same because From when we originally started that machine up, we're actually getting more production out of it, more efficiency out of it than we had originally thought. So although we won't be on that higher ramp as early in the year this year because we push it from the spring to the fall, Those are that additional efficiency we've been getting out of the machine sort of on a net net basis. We'll get about exactly what we thought we would get Before we push that outage.

Speaker 1

Okay, okay. That's helpful. And then on the containerboard price increase, Not asking for any forward looking view, but historically, can you kind of remind us with previous price hikes, How many quarters or months those have sort of typically taken to be reflected or flow through to the bottom line?

Speaker 3

Yes, we typically from the time of formal announcement to completion, We typically will roll that out over about a 90 day period.

Speaker 1

Okay. That's helpful. I'll turn it over. Thank you. Next question please.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Kyle White. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to go back to the labor challenges that you're experiencing and the industry is experiencing. Is there any way to give us a sort of order of magnitude in terms of how many workers at the box plants were typically out per week back in December And what that level kind of looks like here today?

Speaker 3

I wish it was as predictable as that question might make it appear. We could have a high percentage of a workforce not out in one place and then have a pretty good percentage out at another place. So it's just moving across the country. And if you track what's happened with this Omicron variant as an example, we track very closely with what's going on nationally. However, it's incredibly disruptive at one point in time where you just have a You might have a whole crew on a particular machine center, a couple of machine centers not available on a particular shift When in essence, we've got we certainly have the demand for that.

Speaker 3

So, but I think in addition, I think what really complicates This labor issue is what I mentioned earlier and then Bob just mentioned again. Our customers are dealing with the same exact thing. And so, There's a lot of disruption as a result of that, trying to deal with this.

Speaker 5

Got it. That makes sense. It's definitely unprecedented times, but difficult to quantify. On the buyback, given your healthy balance sheet, is there a timeline that you expect You to fully use that authorization that you disannounced?

Speaker 1

No. As we've done in the past years, we have it available and we'll just With that, Myra, I believe we're out of time and out of questions.

Operator

Yes, Mr. Colson, we have no more questions. Do you have any closing comments?

Speaker 7

I'd like to

Speaker 1

Take care. Have a good day.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.

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