Prudential Financial Q3 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Q3 results reflected market headwinds and elevated COVID-19 hospitalization claims in Japan, driving lower variable investment income and a GAAP net loss per share of $0.78.
  • Prudential exceeded its $750 million cost‐savings target—reaching $765 million—one year ahead of schedule by reducing office footprint and deploying AI-driven automation.
  • The firm won a 50% stake in IBM’s $16 billion pension risk transfer deal, grew FlexGuard suite sales by $1 billion to $12 billion, and launched in Argentina via a MercadoLibre partnership.
  • Maintaining an AA financial strength rating, Prudential ended Q3 with $5 billion in liquid assets and returned $800 million to shareholders during the quarter.
  • PGIM faced $4.6 billion of retail outflows but saw continued institutional inflows and now manages nearly $230 billion in alternative assets, sustaining long-term performance.
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Earnings Conference Call
Prudential Financial Q3 2022
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There are 17 speakers on the call.

Operator

And gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to Prudential's Quarterly Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will be given at that time. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded.

Operator

I will now turn the call over to Mr. Bob McLaughlin. Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Good morning and thank you for joining our call. Representing Prudential on today's call are Charlie Lowrey, Chairman and CEO Rob Falzon, Vice Chairman Andy Sullivan, Head of U. S. Businesses Scott Slicer, Head of International Businesses Ken Tanji, Chief Financial Officer and Rob Axel, Controller and Principal Accounting Officer. We will start with prepared comments by Charlie, Rob and Ken, and Today's presentation may include forward looking statements.

Speaker 2

It is

Speaker 1

possible that actual results may differ materially from the predictions that we make today. In addition, this presentation may include references to non GAAP measures. For a reconciliation of such measures to the comparable GAAP measures And a discussion of factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward looking statements, please see the slides titled Forward looking statements and non GAAP measures in the appendix to today's presentation and the quarterly financial supplement, both of which can be found on our website at .prudential.com. And now I'll turn it over to Charlie.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Bob, and thanks to everyone for joining us today. Our Q3 financial results reflect the impact of market conditions, including the variability in alternative investment returns and lower fee income, As well as an elevated level of COVID-nineteen hospitalization claims in Japan, partially offset by underlying business growth, including the benefit from rising interest rates. We continue to transform our businesses to be less market sensitive and better positioned to deliver sustainable long term growth. This includes investing in products and solutions that meet the evolving needs of our customers and achieving Our $750,000,000 cost savings target 1 year ahead of schedule. Our rock solid balance sheet provides the Financial strength to navigate the current macroeconomic environment and support our customers, shareholders, employees and other stakeholders.

Speaker 3

Turning to Slide 3. I'll start off today with an update on how we are investing in long term growth opportunities that meet the evolving needs of our customers And support our vision to be a global leader in expanding access to investing, insurance and retirement security. In September, Prudential was selected by IBM for a 50% participation in the 2nd largest pension risk transfer transaction In U. S. Market history, with a total value of over $16,000,000,000 This transaction builds upon our leadership role in this market, Where we have helped employers safeguard their workers' retirements since pioneering the first jumbo PRT transaction a decade ago.

Speaker 3

We are well positioned to continue to benefit from the growing PRT market, which is expected to have over $50,000,000,000 of total industry transactions In the individual retirement market, our FlexGuard suite continues to grow in both sales volume and product scope, With an additional $1,000,000,000 in sales, bringing the total to nearly $12,000,000,000 since its launch in 2020. Building upon FlexGuard's tremendous success, we plan to introduce FlexGuard Life, an index variable universal life product Later this month, we expect our businesses will benefit from the increased demand for retirement decumulation products over the next decade, As we strengthen our role as a leader in the $300,000,000,000 annuities market. We're making similar growth investments On behalf of our international customers as well, during the Q3, we expanded into Argentina, our partnership with MercadoLibre, Latin America's largest e commerce platform with approximately 200,000,000 users. Our expanded partnership follows our initial launch with MercadoLibre Brazil earlier this year, which delivers life insurance and accident and health products tailored to the platform's mass market customer base. Moving to Slide 4.

Speaker 3

As I noted earlier, we have now achieved $765,000,000 of annual run rate cost savings, exceeding our target of $750,000,000 and completed this 1 year ahead of schedule. This includes $180,000,000 realized in the To achieve these cost savings, we carefully assessed all aspects of our business and operations from our physical office space To how we leverage technology to deliver more efficient customer experiences. For example, By embracing a hybrid work model, we reduced our office space footprint in the U. S. By approximately 50%, Which results in an annual run rate savings of about $50,000,000 On the customer experience front, Our use of artificial intelligence accelerated our individual life underwriting from 22 days to 22 seconds, And our new digital claims processing capability can now deliver funds to most customers in 6 hours as opposed to 6 days.

Speaker 3

We also automated and reduced the timing of fund verification and processing on about 1 third of new annuity sales from what was 2 to 3 weeks To now, 2 to 3 days. And our group insurance claims processing is now 3 times faster, thanks to new data systems we have installed. Turning now to Slide 5. Our rock solid balance sheet and disciplined approach to capital deployment has helped Prudential navigate financial and macroeconomic challenges for nearly 150 years. Consistent with our AA Financial Strength Rating, We have a strong capital position, a high quality, well diversified investment portfolio and approximately $5,000,000,000 in highly liquid assets at the end of the third We continue to balance investing in our businesses for long term growth with shareholder distributions.

Speaker 3

In addition to the investments in our businesses that I previously mentioned, we also returned over $800,000,000 to shareholders during the Q3 Through dividends and share repurchases for a total of $7,000,000,000 since the beginning of 2021. Looking ahead, We expect higher interest rates will economically benefit our business over time. We have the financial strength to continue to navigate the current economic As we monitor developments, we will maintain our disciplined approach to capital management and redeployment, And our Board will review our 2023 capital plan early next year. Before turning it over to Rob, I'd like to touch upon the leadership transition we announced last week as part of our thoughtful approach to creating a sustainable long term leadership structure. Beginning early next year, Andy Sullivan will move from his current role as Head of our U.

Speaker 3

S. Businesses, including PGIM, To lead our international businesses and PGIM, Caroline Feeney, who currently leads our U. S. Retirement and insurance will take on an expanded role as Head of our business portfolio in the U. S.

Speaker 3

And will join our executive leadership team. Scott Sleyster, who currently leads our international businesses, will retire in the Q1 of 2023. We thank Scott for his tremendous contributions to Prudential over the course of his 35 year career with the company and look forward to working closely with Andy and Caroline in their new roles. I'll now turn it over to Rob for an update on our business performance.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Charlie. I'll provide an overview of our financial results and business performance for our PGIM, U. S. And International businesses. I'll begin on Slide 6 with our financial results for the Q3 of 2022.

Speaker 4

Pretax adjusted operating income was $1,000,000,000 Or $2.13 per share on an after tax basis and reflected lower variable investment income driven by market conditions And an elevated level of Japan COVID-nineteen hospitalization claims, partially offset by underlying business growth, including a benefit from rising interest rates. Our GAAP net loss per share was 0 point 7 $8 on an after tax basis, primarily reflecting realized investment This is largely driven by higher interest rates. Turning to the operating results from our businesses compared to the year ago quarter. PGIM, our global investment manager reported lower asset management fees resulting from a reduction in assets under management, reflecting higher interest rates, widening credit spreads And declines in equity markets. Results of our U.

Speaker 4

S. Businesses were lower than the year ago quarter reflecting lower spread income due to less favorable variable investment income and lower fee income resulting from the sale of a portion of the legacy variable annuities business, the decline in equity markets and net outflows, partially offset by more favorable underwriting as COVID-nineteen transitions to an endemic level in the U. S. The decrease in earnings in our international businesses reflected elevated COVID-nineteen hospitalization claims in Japan and lower spread income driven by less favorable variable investment income. Turning to Slide 7.

Speaker 4

PGIM, our global active investment manager has diversified capabilities in both public and private asset classes across fixed income, Alternatives, Real Estate and Equities. PGIM's long term investment performance remains attractive with more than 80% of assets under management outperforming their benchmarks over the last 5 10 year periods. PGIM experienced retail outflows primarily in fixed income Consistent with industry trends due to the rising rate environment, while institutional net flows continued to be positive. As the investment engine of Prudential, the success and growth of PGIM and of our U. S.

Speaker 4

And International Insurance and Retirement businesses are mutually enhancing. PGIM's asset origination capabilities, investment management expertise and access to institutional and other sources of private capital are a competitive advantage. This helps our businesses bring enhanced solutions and create more value for our customers. Our insurance and retirement This in turn provide a source of growth for PGIM through affiliated flows and unique access to insurance liabilities that complement It's track record of 3rd party growth. PGIM's annual fee rate increased due to the continued shift toward higher fee strategies, including our alternatives and Credit business.

Speaker 4

We continue to grow our alternatives and private credit business, which has assets under management of nearly $230,000,000,000 across private credit, Real Estate Equity and Debt and Private Equity Secondaries and benefits from our global scale and market leading positions. Across PGIM's private platform, we deployed $9,600,000,000 of capital this quarter. As we continue to invest in growth areas that are aligned with the needs of our clients, We also remain disciplined in finding opportunities to protect operating margins by managing the business more efficiently. Turning to Slide 8. Our U.

Speaker 4

S. Businesses produce diversified earnings from fees, net investment spread and underwriting And benefit from our complementary mix of longevity and mortality businesses. We continue to shift our business mix towards higher growth And less market sensitive products and markets, transform our capabilities and cost structure and further expand our addressable markets. Retirement Strategies achieved robust sales in the 3rd quarter across its institutional and individual lines of business. Institutional Retirement closed nearly $10,000,000,000 Pension risk transfer transactions in the 3rd quarter, including being selected by IBM for a 50% participation in a $16,000,000,000 Pension Risk Transfer Transaction.

Speaker 4

Our focus on superior execution, supported by the experience of our high quality PRT team and our continued market leadership In the U. S. Pension risk transfer market contributed to IBM selecting us. We continue to see a significant opportunity in the growing PRT market. In individual retirement, product pivots have resulted in continued strong sales of more simplified solutions with $1,000,000,000 of FlexGuard and FlexGuard income Sales in the Q3 as well as increased fixed annuity sales.

Speaker 4

Our individual life sales also reflect our earlier product pivot strategy Variable Life products representing approximately 70% of sales for the quarter. Group Insurance experienced a 50% increase in sales compared to the year ago quarter, Reflecting higher national account life and disability sales and execution of our product growth strategy to drive supplemental health. Turning to Slide 9. Our international businesses include our Japanese life insurance companies, where we have a differentiated multichannel distribution model, As well as other businesses aimed at expanding our presence in high growth emerging markets. In Japan, we are focused on providing high quality service And expanding our geographic coverage and product offerings.

Speaker 4

Our needs based approach and protection product focus continue to provide important value to our customers As we expand our product offerings to meet their evolving needs. For example, we launched a yen denominated investment product with a joint survivorship feature in the bank channel In emerging markets, we are focused on creating a carefully selected portfolio of businesses and regions Where customer needs are growing, where there are compelling opportunities to build market leading businesses and where the Prudential enterprise can add value. In the Q3, we continued to focus on expanding product and business capabilities to meet the evolving needs of customers. In Brazil, We expanded our digital sales application and achieved record sales for the 2nd consecutive quarter, driven by strong performance across all distribution channels. We further expanded our product offerings on the Mercado Libre platform in Brazil and successfully launched the sales platform in Argentina, as Charlie mentioned.

Speaker 4

In addition, we completed our tender offer for Alex Forbes, expanding our ownership to 33% of a leading provider of integrated retirement, Investment and Wealth Management Services in South Africa. As we look ahead, we're well positioned across our businesses to be a global leader in expanding access to investing, Insurance and Retirement Security. We continue to invest in growth businesses and markets, deliver industry leading customer experiences and create the next generation of financial solutions to better serve the diverse needs of a broad range of customers. And now with that, I'll hand it over to Ken.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Rob. I'll begin on Slide 10, which provides insight into earnings for the Q4 of 2022 relative to our Q3 results. As noted, pre tax adjusted operating income in the 3rd quarter was $1,000,000,000 and resulted in earnings per share of $2.13 on an after tax basis. To get a sense for how our 4th quarter results might develop, we suggest adjustments for the following items. 1st, Variable investment income was below expectations in the Q3 by $295,000,000 Next, we adjust underwriting experience by a net 160 This adjustment includes a placeholder for COVID-nineteen claims experience in the Q4 of $20,000,000 for our international insurance businesses.

Speaker 5

We expect a lower level of hospitalization claims due to the recent government supported industry revision of eligible benefits for policyholders recovering from COVID-nineteen at home in Japan. And last, we expect seasonal and other items to reduce adjusted operating income by $166,000,000 primarily driven by the seasonally elevated expenses expected in the Q4. These items combined get us to a baseline of $2.71 per share for the Q4. I'll note that if you exclude items specific to the Q4, Earnings per share would be $2.96 The key takeaway is that our underlying earnings power improved due to business growth, including the benefit of higher interest rates that more than offset equity market depreciation. While we have provided these items to consider, Please note that there may be other factors that affect earnings per share in the Q4.

Speaker 5

Turning to slide 11. Our capital position supports our AA Financial Strength Rating. Our cash and liquid assets were $5,000,000,000 at the high end of our liquidity target range After investing in our businesses to support long term growth, including the capitals to support our IBM pension risk transfer transaction, We have substantial off balance sheet resources, including contingent capital and liquidity facilities. Over the long term, a higher interest rate environment is economically beneficial. In the near term, the current market environment and the annual assumption update Reduce our regulatory capital and excess liquidity.

Speaker 5

We will remain prudent in our capital deployment, balancing the preservation of financial strength, Investment in our businesses for sustainable long term growth and shareholder distributions. Turning to slide 12 and in summary, We are executing our plans to reposition our businesses. We achieved our targeted cost savings 1 year ahead of plan, and we are navigating the current macro environment

Operator

Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. Our first question today is coming from Tom Gallagher from Evercore ISI. Your line is now live.

Speaker 5

Good

Speaker 6

morning. The first question is just on the decline in the holding company cash balance. It dropped $2,000,000,000 sequentially despite the increase in net debt by $500,000,000 Ken, can you comment on whether there were any contributions to subs? I assume there were no dividends taking out, but a little bit of color For what happened there?

Speaker 5

Yes. Hey, Tom. Sure. I'll cover that. We made we did make a capital contribution of $1,000,000,000 to Pika, our main U.

Speaker 5

S. Life insurance company. And that is to support a high volume of business growth, including The IBM and other pension risk transfer transactions that we did. We also made a $200,000,000 of contributions to fund A few international joint venture investments as that's part of our programmatic M and A into emerging markets. And then as we mentioned and highlighted that we funded shareholder distributions of $800,000,000 The 500,000,000 That we had as we refinance our debt profile was essentially offset by holding company costs including interest.

Speaker 5

We did not have dividends from our subs in this quarter. The timing of dividends from our subs to the HoldCo Tend to vary and tend to be greater in the Q4 and Q1. Putting that all together, we ended with highly liquid assets, dollars 5,100,000,000 still above our target range. So in sum, the Primary reason our Holdco HLA declined or highly liquid assets declined was due to the $1,200,000,000 of business growth. I also I just thought it'd be helpful to remind people what I said on our last call is that we expect the statutory Tore funding needs for our U.

Speaker 5

S. Life insurance business, including our assumption updates to be comparable to our GAAP The GAAP impact that we recorded in 2Q, the reserve strengthening will be higher, stat is more conservative, and that's going to be fully reflected in Our stat results in the Q4. As I also mentioned on our last call, we have excess capacity already in Pika Available to meet that need. So the combination of the capital that we contributed to support business growth this quarter And the excess capacity we had in Pika within Pika will remain with RBC ratios consistent with our AA financial strength target. In terms of shareholder distributions, we will complete our shareholder distributions for this year and the Q4 with both dividends and share repurchases.

Speaker 5

And as Charlie mentioned in his remarks, our capital plan for 2023 will be approved by the Board early next year. And as Always, they'll consider our capital position, opportunities to invest in our businesses, and now Increasingly so, the volatility, uncertainty of the economy and markets looking ahead. So they'll factor that all in. But we'll Continue with our philosophy of being thoughtful and disciplined with our capital and balance investment in our businesses With long term growth and maintaining financial strength and returning capital to shareholders.

Speaker 3

Hey, Tom, it's Charlie. Let me Add one thing, because I think part of your question is about can we execute on a long term plan? And I just take it up a level and say we have additional levers we can pull and Resources that we can use to do just that, to execute on our long term plan.

Speaker 6

Thanks a lot guys. That was very comprehensive. And Charlie, just So you'd still I think it was the $10,000,000,000 3 year total capital return plan. You still feel good about that given the levers that you have to work from.

Speaker 3

Yes. Ken, do you want to comment on that?

Speaker 5

Yes. Again, We will complete we've already returned $7,000,000,000 through the Q3. We'll complete our plans for this year. And again, our Board will factor in all the considerations that I mentioned into their decisions in early part of next year.

Speaker 6

Okay. Thanks a lot, guys.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Tracy Banghi from Barclays. Your line is now live.

Speaker 7

Thank you. First, congratulations to Scott in your retirement, Andy, Caroline in your new role. I'm wondering, given your Progress to date and thinking about market opportunities, do you feel like you need to elongate the 3 year timetable of reallocating $5,000,000,000 to $10,000,000,000 of capital to higher growth, Market sensitive business.

Speaker 3

Sure, Tracy. It's Charlie. Let me take that one. So let me start by saying we remain totally focused on executing on our transformation strategy to become a less market sensitive and higher growth company. As you've We've made a number of programmatic acquisitions in PGIM and Emerging Markets.

Speaker 3

And in the second quarter, we completed 2 key divestitures that reduced our overall market sensitivity by 20 So we're well on our way. Now our path may not be linear as different growth opportunities present themselves at different times. And I would note that our diverse set of businesses provides opportunities to grow in different market environments as we've seen with this market environment, And we're well positioned to benefit from this diversification. For instance, in the Q3, our Retirement Strategies business did nearly $15,000,000,000 Sales including a significant PRT transaction that demonstrate our leadership position in this market where we believe there's just tremendous growth potential going forward. But our business system is also self reinforcing.

Speaker 3

And as an example, the recent IBM PRT with the recent IBM PRT transaction, Which is in the institutional retirement business, that also brought in over $8,000,000,000 in AUM to PGIM. So by saying we're focused on our high growth businesses, naming PGIM and Emerging Markets, doesn't mean we're not looking to grow our other businesses as well. In summary, what I'd say is we're definitely committed to becoming a higher growth, less market sensitive company, but our progress will depend upon a One is the opportunities that arise and the second is the macroeconomic conditions.

Speaker 7

That's very helpful. So it sounds like you have organic growth opportunities. You're not only relying on programmatic Acquisition, so speaking of organic and you mentioned PRT, I'm just wondering if we should expect to see more Coinsurance in the future for these large deals. And also if you could comment on funded status These days, you know, and what you've seen in the pipeline, would that prohibit some deals getting done?

Speaker 8

So, Tracy, good morning. It's Andy. And first, let me say thanks for I appreciate the congratulations. You probably could We're exceptionally proud of our team and of our capabilities in our pension risk transfer business. The fact that we conducted the 2nd largest transaction in history is second Only to the groundbreaking transaction we did with General Motors about a decade ago for $29,000,000,000 This transaction, we did split fifty-fifty between us and another provider.

Speaker 8

And for clarity, the decision to split a deal is made by the planned sponsor Versus carriers bidding together. As we look forward, we don't think deal splitting will be atypical and we will Always be open to that type of situation depending on a deal's characteristics. Overall, the market in pension risk transfer remains very robust. The industry experienced a 3rd successive record breaking quarter. 3rd quarter came in at $28,000,000,000 which was a 60% increase from last year.

Speaker 8

Funded status remains near record levels at 106%. So we now expect this year, as you heard in Charlie's remarks, to come in above $50,000,000,000 for the industry. And we believe that we'll consistently see above $40,000,000,000 going forward. Given the size of that market, despite that it's a competitive market, We expect given our industry leading track record and our capabilities, we're going to continue to find success at picking our spots and net net this will be a nice organic growth for us over

Speaker 7

time. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Ryan Krueger from KBW. Your line is now live.

Speaker 9

Hey, thanks. Good morning. I had a question on individual retirement earnings. I think on a core basis, they were up about $60,000,000 sequentially. Can you help us think through the key drivers of that and if you'd expect that to be sustainable longer term?

Speaker 8

Yes. So, Ryan, it's Andy again. Good morning. Thanks for your question on the individual retirement business. We're very pleased with the momentum that we're seeing this quarter.

Speaker 8

Let me speak first about our core earnings progress and then I'll talk about our continued success FlexGuard, we saw a material lift in our core earnings, thanks primarily to the change in the interest rate environment, and that's both on the short and long end of the curve. We get lift from interest rates on our collateral on the short end and we're getting lift on the long term side in our portfolio as well. And we're seeing the FlexGuard block grow. That's why you saw the step up in our core earnings. And I would just Kind of go back to what Ken said earlier, higher rates are a good thing overall for Prudential.

Speaker 8

Additionally, we're very pleased with the Continued progress at building a very healthy FlexGuard block of business. Quarter in and quarter out, we remain a top Share player in the market. We've achieved $11,000,000,000 in sales life to date. We very much like the profitability of the block that we've brought into the organization. And at the end of the day, kind of back to the organic growth discussion, we see the retirement accumulation opportunity in the country as a very good growth opportunity and we have all the right stuff to capture

Speaker 9

it. Thanks. And then just wanted I had one quick capital follow-up. Charlie, you had mentioned that you have You have other levers that you can pull to execute on your long term capital deployment plan. Seeing if you could expand on Not at all.

Speaker 9

And I guess probably related to that, just you had contributed capital earlier this year to Bermuda. At what point in time do you think you might See more business there to then release capital in the U. S?

Speaker 3

Thanks. Sure. Let me take the first part of that and then turn it over to Ken. I'll just give you a couple of quick examples. One would be sort of ongoing reinsurance transactions that we continue to review and the other would be we have Levers both on and off balance sheet that we can pull.

Speaker 3

So we have lots of different levers and resources that we can use and regularly look at them in order And Ken, do you want to talk about Bermuda?

Speaker 5

Yes, Ryan. Yes, the Bermuda sub That we launched earlier in the year is a good example of the levers that Charlie referenced. We have a new reinsurer in Bermuda. It's called Lotus Re. We did capitalize it with $800,000,000 earlier this year, And we've reinsured a block of variable life business to it.

Speaker 5

So it will create capital efficiency and it's a reinsurance capability that's Sort of another tool in our toolbox going forward.

Speaker 9

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question today is coming from Suneet Kamath from Jefferies. Your line is now live.

Speaker 10

Hi, thanks. Good morning. Just wanted to Triple back on capital, you made comments about 2023 a couple of times, but just to level set, I mean, we're used to thinking about kind of the 65 percent free cash flow conversion as sort of the level of capital return that you guys would do on an annual basis ex any specific Special transactions. Should we be thinking about that as a baseline for next year? Or are you signaling that The operating environment is a little bit more challenging, so maybe you'd guide to something a little bit lower than that?

Speaker 5

Yes. Hi, Suneet. Yes, 5%, if you looked at our what we've generated free cash flow from our businesses over time, that's been the average. It's been in some years higher than that and in some years lower than that. Cash flow from our businesses this year is below our historical average.

Speaker 5

That's both as we continue to invest in our businesses for long term growth, but also work through the Statutory reserve increases in our life insurance businesses that we updated this year. So it will vary over Time, but we think given our growth rates and our business profile, that's what our historical average has been.

Speaker 10

Okay, got it. And then just if I could come back to that $1,000,000,000 infusion into Pika, I mean, my rough math would suggest maybe half of that was related to The IBM PRT deal, so that leaves another $400,000,000 $500,000,000 left. And I hear you on FlexGuard funding that growth, But individual retirement is still in outflows and I would have thought the capital release from withdrawals would have sort of supported the new business. I guess I'm just trying to understand What the other piece of it is into Pika apart from the PRT transaction? Thanks.

Speaker 5

Yes. I don't know what rule of thumb you're using on specific business lines, but it was for us, it was primarily related To not just the IBM transaction, but the other deals that we did as well, and the growth in our FlexBook card business. And We continue to see good profitability and cash flows from our existing VA business as well.

Speaker 10

Was there any impact from interest rate hedges? You had a GAAP loss, but Wondering if there's any impact from that on the statutory results?

Speaker 5

Yes, there is, Suneet. The rise in interest rates has been very swift. And over time, that will allow us to invest our insurance reserves at higher yields and improving Profitability and cash flows. But in the near term, our statutory surplus in the U. S.

Speaker 5

Business for our U. S. Businesses is reduced by What we consider a non economic statutory reserve method that tends to manifest itself when rates rise And we experienced unrealized and realized losses on our fixed income and derivatives. This is not unique to us. We believe it's an issue for the broader industry and it's uneconomic in nature and should be addressed.

Speaker 5

And there's a lot of discussions going on with regulators in the industry about this. So we'll manage the Change in the rate environment, and we'll maintain regulatory capital is consistent with our AA financial strength objectives, But there is a short term impact on our statutory capital.

Speaker 10

Can you size that at all?

Speaker 5

It's still it's going to be subject to where the rates move. And so that's still dynamic.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thanks, Ken.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from John Barnidge from Piper Sandler. Your line is now live.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much. Seasonally 3Qs had typically been the best more talented quarter in any given year. This is a pre pandemic world, of course. With COVID now clearly endemic, did that typical mortality seasonality return this year?

Speaker 8

Hey, John. Good morning. It's Andy. I'll talk about our COVID. We intentionally, as we've talked about many times in the past, manage our business mix To have a good balance between longevity and mortality, that absolutely paid us dividends all throughout the pandemic.

Speaker 8

During 3Q, we the U. S. Experienced 42,000 deaths, which was 17,000 more than our estimate. But the fact is, We continue to see a declining impact from COVID in the U. S.

Speaker 8

Let me just hit a little bit about each business. In Group Insurance, our life benefit ratio was 91.4%. It did reflect pre ratio was 91.4%. It did reflect pre pandemic mortality. That was slightly elevated due to Accidental death and dismemberment claims that we very much see just as a natural quarter to quarter variability, nothing more.

Speaker 8

We're very pleased that we continue to see working age deaths and its impact on working ages continuing to decline. In individual life, we saw our mortality actual to expect it at the low end of our range, 97%. We saw particularly good performance In the smaller face amount bands, and that is typically where we would see the COVID experience show up. In institutional retirement, we did see underwriting gains Above our seasonalized expectations, particularly in pension risk transfer, but again, not surprising given the average age of that block of business. The bottom line is given the balanced mix of businesses that we have, we very much expect this will be very manageable as the COVID continues to shift into an endemic state.

Speaker 11

Great. And then my follow-up question. Institutional flows positive, but material deceleration in PGIM, retail improved, So, can you maybe talk about how FX impact is changing, where you're seeing demand, either a geographic perspective or from an asset perspective? Thank you.

Speaker 8

Yes, John, it's Andy. I'll take your question on flows. As we've always talked about, flows will vary quarter to quarter, so we stay very focused on our long term track record. In Q3, We experienced 3rd party net outflows of $4,000,000,000 driven on the retail side. Institutional net flows remained positive with strong positive flows into both Equity and real estate debt, so showing the benefit of our diversified portfolio.

Speaker 8

We're very pleased with our positive $9,000,000,000 in institutional flows year to date. I would also note that we experienced good affiliated flows. So from our insurance transactions like the IBM transaction, We saw $7,000,000,000 in affiliated flows in Q3 $14,000,000,000 year to date. That is a very important part of our strategy and that reflects The synergies between our liability generation capability as well as our asset management capability. To your specific question about retail Outflows were $4,600,000,000 That was a market improvement from the $8,300,000,000 last quarter.

Speaker 8

Much Like the rest of the industry, we continue to be impacted by headwinds in both active fixed income and growth equity. As far as where are the flows going, Flows are tending to go into passive and into short duration strategies. We're obviously not a passive player. As far as FX impacts, we really haven't seen anything material to speak of. At the end of the day, we're Highly confident that our diversified product portfolio has us well positioned that as the environment settles down and stabilizes And flows start to shift back in.

Speaker 8

We have the experience to succeed and we'll be a net winner as we always have been. As we've talked about before, we've experienced 18 out of 19 years of positive inflows.

Speaker 11

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Elyse Greenspan from Wells Fargo. Your line is now live.

Speaker 12

Hi, thanks. Good morning. My first question is on the Japan COVID losses. You had guided Last quarter to maybe seeing about $50,000,000 of unfavorable underwriting impact and that came in at $200,000,000 this quarter. Are you concerned that some of that leads into the 4th quarter and you think that there could be any movement around your reserves?

Speaker 13

Thanks, Elyse. This is Scott. During the quarter, Japan experienced the largest surge of COVID cases since the beginning Of the pandemic, Japan sort of did a really good job upfront, but Omicron hit them hard much later. The new infections were mainly concentrated in younger ages And they peaked in August, I think at like over 240,000. They have since declined quite significantly.

Speaker 13

I think they're running around 40,000 today. So They're down to about a 6th of where they were. From the beginning of the pandemic and consistent with regulatory guidance, A and H claims provided for policyholder payments related to hospitalizations irrespective of whether The patient actually checked into the hospital. So with the large surge of COVID cases, we did in fact see A big spike in A and H claims, which is what you were seeing. Starting September 26, the industry In agreement or with support from the government determined that hospitalization benefits will no longer be paid if the insured individuals are not actually In the hospital with very few exceptions, things for people over 65, pregnant women and certain serious comorbidities.

Speaker 13

So we expect the change here to be pretty dramatic in the Q4. First of all, the infection levels are down A great deal and then the qualification levels have been substantially restricted. I think Ken already mentioned that we've got a placeholder For $20,000,000 versus the $180,000,000 for the Q4. So we'll continue to closely monitor the situation. And then as in the past, We remain focused on really taking care of our customers, but also looking out for our employees and maintaining the strength of our distribution channels.

Speaker 12

Thanks. And then my second question, what are you guys seeing in terms of the base spreads within institutional retirement? How quickly are those accelerating? And how should we think about the earnings growth potential in that segment from rising rates?

Speaker 5

Elyse, it's Ken. I'll start. And We have seen as the rise in rates and the rise in yields have played out a better opportunity to invest at more attractive terms. And you see that leading to earnings improvement. But probably more importantly will be the business growth, particularly With the pension risk transfer business that we just put on the books at the end of the Q3.

Speaker 8

Yes. And Elyse, it's Andy. I would just add, we have a lot of momentum in our institutional retirement business. We have exceptional people, great capabilities, great brand and distribution system That's really second to none. And obviously, you've heard about that from a pension risk transfer perspective, but we had $13,500,000,000 in sales in So it goes well beyond just pension risk transfer.

Speaker 8

We also had $1,500,000,000 in investment only stable value and $1,200,000,000 in longevity reinsurance. So we have very good momentum and it was a banner quarter for us in institutional retirement.

Speaker 12

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Erik Bass from Autonomous Research. Your line is now live.

Speaker 2

Hi, thank you. Your outlook implies higher seasonal expenses of, I think, dollars 115,000,000 in the 4th quarter, which is less than the $125,000,000 to 1 $75,000,000 range that you typically expect. Is this a function of just being disciplined on expenses given the environment or should we think This is a more permanent trend given the cost saving actions that you've highlighted.

Speaker 5

Yes. Hey, Eric, it's Ken. We are being more disciplined, It's really timing. We see a lot of that coming into the Q4 as usual. And I wouldn't read too much into that.

Speaker 5

It's yes, we are being disciplined, but there's also timing considerations.

Speaker 2

Got it. Thank you. And then can you talk about how the yen movements are affecting demand for U. S. Dollar denominated products in Japan?

Speaker 2

Does this materially change the consumer value proposition and the outlook for demand or persistency?

Speaker 13

Thanks, Thanks, Eric. This is Scott. I'll go ahead and take that. There are several things that go on from the strength of the U. S.

Speaker 13

Dollar. On the one hand, you will have a cohort of customers who have bought kind of investment products and they may want to Terminate to take a gain if it's a net positive versus any surrender charge. And for people that have permanent life, they may be thinking about reducing coverage Because a certain dollar amount will provide more yen coverage, which is ultimately typically what they're looking for. I think your question focused more on the sales side. With the dollar being this strong, we think people that will be looking for U.

Speaker 13

S. Dollar Products will be sizing down their purchase again because in general, they're looking back to the coverage of the Ultimately, how it covers them in yen. That being said, 2 other good things I think are going on with higher rates, U. S. Dollar Investment products do look more attractive.

Speaker 13

And ultimately, over time, while we have some short term Headwinds because we use swaps to hedge. In the long pole, this will add to our net investment income, which we view It's a tailwind in that market.

Speaker 2

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Wilma Burtis Raymond James, your line is now live.

Speaker 14

Hey, good morning. Could you clarify how the Lotus Bermuda entity works to create capital efficiencies. And is there a plan to bring in 3rd party capital in Bermuda?

Speaker 5

Yes. The LOTUS Re is an internal reinsurance capability that's based in Bermuda. And We find that certain products in our initial use of it was with variable life that we find that the regime there, Which is a very robust reserving standard, is more principle based and is better aligned with the economics That business and as a result, by transferring that or reinsuring that to that regime, We get releases of reserves and capital in Pika. And again, It's our efforts to really align the economics of our businesses with reserve and capital standards that are Robust, and risk sensitive recognize the nature of the business and are a better fit for that type of business.

Speaker 4

Wilma, it's Rob. Just sort of following on the second part of your question. So in that particular entity, no, our intent is not to bring in 3rd party capital. As Ken alluded to, it's a kind of a captive vehicle. Having said that, we are keenly aware of the increased institutional Appetite coming into this sector.

Speaker 4

And as we've said before, we don't think that there's a firm who's better positioned To figure out how to satisfy the intersection of demand for our customers on the liability origination side With appetite for funding into those sorts of investments from the institutional side. So nothing to talk about near term there, but we think we're

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Alex Scott from Goldman Sachs. Your line is now live.

Speaker 15

Hi. I had a follow-up on some of the question on capital and the HoldCo cash balance. When I Think about growth, appreciate that there's the PRT, ex maybe some heightened PRT growth, I would think Pika would be a bit more self funding. And I'm just trying to understand if maybe Some of the need to fund growth from the HoldCo balance has to do with the expectation of what's Happen in 4Q around the CUL review. And the reason I ask is just, if that is part of the contemplation, That's fine.

Speaker 15

And it's actually good because it means maybe you don't need to contribute anymore in 4Q. And that's really what I'm Trying to figure out is, when you go through that review in 4Q, will this need to occur again? Like will there need to be more Cash from the holdco that goes down into Pika to help fund that impact?

Speaker 5

Yes. So Alex, the Pika is generating statutory capital With its business profile, but the size of the business growth that we experienced this quarter was Pretty high and unique, and that's why we thought it was a very attractive use of capital and deployed capital for that purpose. We acknowledged that the assumption update would require funding needs And that was a use of capital as well, but we had at the time of the second quarter, we had We're well positioned to absorb that capital requirement within Pika, including the using the Cash flow and statutory surplus that's being generated by our businesses. We'll be looking at the 4th quarter And evaluating again, well, and I should mention, as I also described, we have had some short term Capital that is being held in reserves potentially for what we consider non economic reserving given the rise in rates. And then we'll again, as we always do in the Q4, Look at our capital position, our opportunities to deploy capital attractively And make sure we're maintaining Pika at our AA Financial Strength Standards.

Speaker 15

Got it. That's helpful. And then maybe a little bit of a more broad question on Japan. Could you talk about How a weaker yen impacts your business and if that should be something we contemplate as we think about cash flow in 2023, either positive

Speaker 13

Thanks, Alex. This is Scott. We've been operating in Japan for a long I'm in my many years here, I've seen again as low as in the high 70s to as high as it is today. So As that happens, customer preferences will shift and so we'll see more yen Sales, for example, if dollar products get priced too high, on the other hand, we may see more Dollar deposit type products that will be more attractive in the bank or other parts of the Jib channel Related to where the dollar is. So I'd say fundamentally, we have the ability to adapt and we've demonstrated that we've done that Over time, I guess what I would come back to is, I would say we're very disciplined in how we price our business In Japan, part of the reason you've seen the bank channel down is we've maintained our discipline around profitability.

Speaker 13

We haven't been Chasing deposit products when the margins were really tight. So I feel very good about the franchise we have there. We see less price sensitivity in channels where we have a preferred position like Life Planners and some of the affinity groups. And we'll adapt the product mix based off of customer demand, but we're always going to keep our pricing discipline front and center.

Speaker 5

And Alex, I'll just add. We also have a very established hedging program with our Japanese business That hedges both earnings and the net equity position. And given the strength of the dollar, that has a $1,800,000,000

Operator

Thank you. Next question is coming from Mike Ward from Citi. Your line is now live.

Speaker 16

Thank you, guys. So You mentioned potentially reinsurance is one lever for a source of capital. I was just wondering if that means we should sort of be expecting On annuities, reinsurance deal or could it be life or anywhere else, any color there?

Speaker 3

Sure. Let me take that. This is Charlie. First, I'll deal with both annuities and then talk a little bit about life. We're really pleased with the valuation for the block of traditional variable annuities with the guaranteed living benefits that we sold as evidenced by the gain on sale we reported.

Speaker 3

And we'll continue to explore possible additional opportunities to de risk in force blocks of traditional VA business. We expect to reach our goal of reducing market sensitivity through the Talend transaction we just completed And through the natural runoff of traditional variable annuities business over time. And as a result, we're not in a position of having to do another transaction. But having said this, we'll continue to explore possible additional opportunities, but we'll only do something, as we've said before, if it's in the best interest of stakeholders. So that's on the annuity side.

Speaker 3

On the LifeLock side, as we've noted in the past, we've dedicated resources To looking at various opportunities aligned with our strategy of becoming a higher growth and less market sensitive company. And as a result, we'd certainly consider Opportunities for a Life sub block if they came our way, but with the caveat that it has to make sense for shareholders. So we're going to be disciplined in our approach As the Individual Life business continues to be core to our purpose.

Speaker 16

And then maybe on PRT, just wondering if there's kind of a benchmark that maybe you could give in terms of how you think about earnings Per $1,000,000,000 of PRT business or something like that. I guess one of your larger peers has Given this in the past, I think it's around $7,000,000 $8,000,000 of earnings per $1,000,000,000 of PRT. Wondering if that sounds ballpark accurate?

Speaker 5

Yes. Hey, Mike. This is Ken. All the deals are a little different. I don't think putting out a benchmark is would be appropriate.

Operator

Okay, thanks. Thank you. Our next question today is a follow-up from Tracy Banghigian from Barclays. Your line is now

Speaker 7

Thank you. I just wanted to revisit the statutory reserve charge you'll be taking in the 4th quarter. Just Help me understand better why it would be comparable in size on the GAAP side, because as you mentioned, statutory reserves are more conservative. I I mean, I would imagine there'd be some cushion there, if you could elaborate on the comparability.

Speaker 5

Yes, Tracy, it will be higher. But again, and because generally because the stat is more conservative and it's also it's just different. But again, we have capacity to absorb that, and we still hold that view.

Speaker 7

Okay. When you say higher, you mean on absolute terms or the contribution will be higher? I'm a little bit confused.

Speaker 5

No, I'm sorry. When we took the charge, we believe that we had and we continue to believe we have capacity absorbed that within Pika's excess capital position as a result.

Speaker 7

Okay. But I think last quarter, I think it was something like $1,400,000,000 pre tax. So are we talking the same dollar amount

Speaker 5

It would be higher. Again, we're still finalizing those. That will be finalized in our 4th quarter results. But again, We have the capacity to absorb that within Pika and we'll continue to maintain RBC ratios consistent with our AA standards.

Speaker 7

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is a follow-up from Ryan Krueger. Your line is now live from KBW.

Speaker 9

Hey, thanks. I figured I'd just ask this since it wasn't asked last quarter. Would you be able to just say what your ULSG That reserve total is in what you moved the ultimate lapse rate assumption to when you did the review last quarter?

Speaker 5

I think we'll need to follow-up on both of those. They're pretty specific, if that's all right.

Speaker 9

Yes, no problem. I just figured I'd give it a shot. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is a follow-up from Tom Gallagher from Evercore ISI. Your line is now live.

Speaker 6

Thanks. Just one question on the holding company cash again to come back to the 10,000,000,000 the 5,100,000,000 I believe includes $1,500,000,000 that we should think about for pre funding a debt maturity in the middle part Of 2023, I just wanted to confirm that that's the intention. And should we think about the holding company cash really As $3,600,000,000 on a net basis. Thanks.

Speaker 5

Yes, Tom, in our holding company, Cash position will vary depending upon the timing of when we issue debt or debt matures or we call it. We've consistently made it a good practice to prefund maturing and cobbled debt 12 to 18 months in advance. And What this does is it reduces our refinancing risk and enables us to be selective in the timing of debt funding relative to In August, we issued $1,500,000,000 of debt, and we've earmarked that for debt that's callable next year. The timing was good. We're happy with the outcome and we're going to continue to prefund debt as a good practice.

Speaker 5

And Overall though, if you looked at our level of debt over the last 3 years, it's been at a fairly consistent level. It will vary depending on timing of maturities and issuance, but overall, it hasn't changed that much. We also have, as we continue to highlight, Contingent sources of debt. So overall, we feel very good about the level of our debt that's consistent with our AA Financial Strength Rating And how we manage refinancings of our debt very well as well.

Speaker 3

Hey, Tom, it's Charlie. I'd just reiterate what I said in the beginning We believe we have other levers and resources by which to execute on our plan. So There are you can look at it in the one way you did. But on the other hand, as Ken said and as we've reiterated throughout the call, We have other means by which to execute on our plan as well.

Operator

Thank you. We've reached the end of our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Lowry for any further or closing comments. Okay.

Speaker 3

Thank you, operator, and thank you for joining us today. Before I conclude, I want to acknowledge the unexpected passing of George Paz last week, A member of Prudential's Board of Directors for the past 6 years. George was an integral member of our Board with a unique perspective and deep business experience that helped us shape our thinking on a multitude of issues. He will be greatly missed and remembered as both a trusted advisor And as a friend. I hope we demonstrated during this call the progress we're making to transform Prudential to deliver sustainable long term growth and meet the evolving needs of our customers.

Speaker 3

Looking ahead, we remain confident in our strategy and the strength of our company. For nearly 150 years, Prudential has been there for its customers and other stakeholders, who we will continue to serve as we strive to be a global leader in Thank you again for joining us today.

Operator

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