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ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Packaging Corporation of America EPS ResultsActual EPS$2.72Consensus EPS $2.53Beat/MissBeat by +$0.19One Year Ago EPS$1.77Packaging Corporation of America Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$2.14 billionExpected Revenue$2.05 billionBeat/MissBeat by +$90.74 millionYoY Revenue Growth+18.20%Packaging Corporation of America Announcement DetailsQuarterQ1 2022Date4/25/2022TimeAfter Market ClosesConference Call DateTuesday, April 26, 2022Conference Call Time8:03AM ETUpcoming EarningsPackaging Corporation of America's Q3 2025 earnings is scheduled for Tuesday, October 28, 2025, with a conference call scheduled on Wednesday, October 22, 2025 at 9:00 AM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptQuarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Packaging Corporation of America Q1 2022 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrApril 26, 2022 ShareLink copied to clipboard.Key Takeaways PCA reported Q1 net income of $254 million ($2.70 per share) and EBITDA excluding special items of $467 million on $2.1 billion in sales, versus $169 million and $342 million a year ago. The company incurred $0.71 per share of inflationary operating cost increases from energy, fiber, chemicals, labor, and freight, partly offset by efficiency initiatives. In the Packaging segment, demand stayed very strong with record containerboard and corrugated shipments, lifting its margin to 23.6% from 21.7% a year earlier. Paper segment EBITDA margin nearly doubled to 18.9% from 9.6% despite a 19% volume drop, supported by price hikes including a $100/ton increase effective May 2. The company generated $113 million in free cash flow, held $1.1 billion in liquidity, revised full-year outage costs to $1.04 per share (from $1.13), and sees Q2 EPS of $2.83. AI Generated. May Contain Errors.Conference Call Audio Live Call not available Earnings Conference CallPackaging Corporation of America Q1 202200:00 / 00:00Speed:1x1.25x1.5x2xThere are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for joining Packaging Corporation of America's First Quarter 2022 Earnings Result Conference Call. Your host today will be Mark Colson, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of PCA. Upon conclusion of this narrative, there will be a Q and A session. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Kowlson, and please proceed when you are ready. Speaker 100:00:24Thank you, Patricia. Good morning, everyone, and thank you all for participating in Packaging Corporation of America's First Quarter 2022 earnings release conference call. I'm Mark Colzan, Chairman and CEO of PCA. And with me on the call today is Tom Hassfurther, Executive Vice President, then I'm going to be turning the call over to Tom and Bob who will provide further details. And then I will wrap things up and we'll be glad to take questions. Speaker 100:00:58Yesterday, we reported 1st quarter net income of $254,000,000 or $2.70 per share. 1st quarter net income included special items expenses of $0.02 per share, primarily for certain costs at the Jackson Alabama Mill for paper to containerboard conversion related activities. Details of the special items for both the Q1 of 20 1st quarter 2022 net income was $256,000,000 or $2.72 per share compared to Q1 20 21 net income of $169,000,000 or $1.77 per share. 1st quarter net sales were $2,100,000,000 in 20.22 $1,800,000,000 in 2021. Total company EBITDA for the Q1 excluding special items was $467,000,000 in 20.22 and $342,000,000 in 2021. Speaker 100:02:13Excluding the special items, The $0.95 per share increase in Q1 2022 earnings compared to the Q1 of 2021 was driven primarily by higher prices and mix of $1.83 and volume of $0.23 in the Packaging segment. Higher prices in mix in our Paper segment for $0.15 a lower share count resulting from share repurchases for $0.03 and lower interest expenses of $0.02 These items were partially offset by $0.71 of inflation related operating cost increases, particularly with energy, fiber, chemicals, Operating labor and repair labor and materials. Freight and logistics expenses have now moved higher for 7 quarters in a row We also had higher depreciation expenses of $0.07 lower volume in our Paper segment were 0 point 0 $6 Higher scheduled outage expenses, dollars 0.05 a higher tax rate resulting from some favorable items in last year's tax rate of $0.03 and other costs $0.01 The results were $0.22 above our Q1 guidance of $2.50 per share primarily due to higher prices and mix and higher volumes in both our Packaging and Paper segments, Operating cost improvements from efficiency and usage initiatives and favorable weather conditions. Looking at the Packaging business, EBITDA excluding special items in the Q1 of 2022 was $464,000,000 with sales of $1,960,000,000 which resulted in a 23.6 percent margin versus last year's EBITDA of $352,000,000 and sales of $1,620,000,000 or a 21.7 percent margin. Speaker 100:04:27Demand in the Packaging segment remained very strong as sales volume in both our containerboard mills and our corrugated products Plants had record setting performances. The scheduled maintenance outages in our mills went very well and both machines at our Jackson, Alabama mill produced below our targeted and historical levels. Although we still face unprecedented inflationary headwinds And our manufacturing costs as well as freight and logistics expenses, our facilities continue to deliver on numerous cost reduction initiatives, Efficiency improvements, integration and optimization enhancements and capital project benefits to maximize our returns and our margins. I'll now turn it over to Tom, who'll provide further details on the containerboard sales and corrugated products business. Speaker 200:05:27Thanks, Mark. As Mark mentioned, corrugated products and containerboard demand were very strong during the quarter. We set a new all time total box shipments record as well as a new 1st quarter shipments per day record. Total volume in our corrugated Plants was up 2.9% and shipments per day were up 1.3% versus a very strong comp in last year's Q1, which for us was up approximately 8% over the prior year. In addition to supplying the record internal needs of our box Our outside sales volume of containerboard was 46,000 tons above the Q1 of 2021, owing to continued strong domestic and export demand. Speaker 200:06:12Outside volume was 26,000 tons below the Q4 of 2021 in order to help Supply our strong internal demand, while managing through the scheduled maintenance outages at our mills. Domestic containerboard and corrugated products Prices and mix contributed $1.60 per share above the Q1 of 2021 and were up $0.23 per share compared to the Q4 of 2021. Export containerboard prices were up $0.23 per share versus last year's Q1 and up a $0.01 per share compared to the Q4 of 2021. The benefits of our disciplined approach for the implementation of price increases execution of the initial implementation of our recent March price increase contributed to results in the Q1 as well. I'd also like to point out that the capital spending and optimization strategy within our box plant system that we have been focused on over the last few years also plays a key role in our successful implementation process. Speaker 200:07:21The investments from this strategy provide the products and service needs that our customers desire and allows them to grow while focusing on the mix of customers we want to align and partner with. I'll now turn it back to Mark. Speaker 100:07:34Thanks, Tom. Looking at the Paper segment, EBITDA excluding special items in the Q1 was $29,000,000 with sales of $153,000,000 or an 18.9 percent margin compared to the Q1 20 21 EBITDA of $16,000,000 and sales of $165,000,000 for a 9.6% margin. As we mentioned on last quarter's call, volume from our Paper segment this year is expected to be fairly representative of the capacity at our International Falls Accordingly, sales volume was about 19% below last year's Q1 when we were producing paper on the number one machine at our Jackson, Alabama mill. Paper prices and mix were 14% higher than last year's Q1 and 6% above the Q4 of 2021 resulting from our previously announced paper price increases. Also, in late March, we notified customers of $100 per ton price increase effective with shipments beginning May 2nd for all office The efforts of our employees to optimize the cost structure, inventory and product mix in the paper business help minimize the inflationary increases we're seeing and deliver solid returns in the quarter. Speaker 100:08:56I'll now turn it over to Bob. Thanks, Mark. Speaker 300:09:01For the Q1, we generated cash from operations of $339,000,000 and free cash flow of $113,000,000 Key cash payments during the quarter included capital expenditures of $226,000,000 and common stock dividends of $94,000,000 We ended the quarter with $629,000,000 of cash on hand or $778,000,000 including marketable securities. Our liquidity on March 31 was $1,100,000,000 I want to update you on a revision To the scheduled mill maintenance outage guidance that we provided on last quarter's call, current plans and the scope of work has changed, Resulting in a revised total company estimated cost impact for the year of $1.04 per share versus The $1.13 per share previously. The actual impact in the Q1 was $0.15 per share And the revised estimated impact by quarter for the remainder of the year is now $0.26 per share in the 2nd quarter, $0.22 in the 3rd and $0.41 per share in the 4th quarter. I'll now turn it back over to Mark. Speaker 100:10:16Thank you, Bob. Looking ahead, as we move from the first and into the second quarter, we expect demand in our Packaging segment to remain very strong And we'll continue implementing the previously announced price increases in both our Packaging and Paper segments. Volume in the Paper segment will be lower with Schedule outage at our International Falls Mill and as Bob pointed out, total scheduled outage costs will be $0.11 higher than the Q1. We also anticipate continued inflation with freight, logistics expenses as well as most of our operating costs, Although recycled fiber prices should be slightly lower. Considering all of these items, we expect 2nd quarter earnings of $2.83 per share. Speaker 100:11:03With that, we'd be happy to entertain any questions, but I must remind you that some of the statements we've made on the call constituted forward looking statements. The statements were based on current estimates, expectations and projections of the company and do involve inherent risks and uncertainties, Including the direction of the economy and those identified as risk factors in the annual report on Form 10 ks and on file with the SEC. Actual results could differ materially from those expressed in the forward looking statements. And with that, Patricia, I'd like to open up the call for questions, please. Operator00:11:35Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of George Tsakos from Bank of America. Your line is open. Speaker 400:11:55Hey, good morning. This is actually John Babcock on the line for George. I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. I guess just first of all, I was wondering if you might be able to talk about the cadence on Price increase implementation this time and if there's any reason to believe it might be different relative to some of the hikes last year, that would be great. Speaker 100:12:13Go ahead, Tom. Speaker 200:12:14Yes. The implementation is right on track just like the others. We have a very disciplined approach. We usually get pass through over about a 90 day period. So as I mentioned, we had some that was in the month of March, But the majority of the price increase will be in the Q2. Speaker 400:12:34Okay. Thank you. And the next question, just as it pertains to Trucking, I was wondering if you could talk about what you're seeing in terms of spot rates for that. Ultimately, some of our contacts suggest that Prices might be dropping there. So just want to get any color that you might have. Speaker 100:12:52Bob, do you want to add a little bit of that? Speaker 300:12:54Yes, John. I'll just say that we are seeing a little bit of that relative to the spot market. There Various factors going on that showed a little improvement in the Q1, but I think as most people would agree that It's still far from being in an ideal situation. And our guidance for the Q2, again, we have Our freight costs are going up probably another 5% or so. So still a lot to be done there. Speaker 100:13:23I think you need to consider again that diesel is still sitting at Over $5 a gallon and that's one of the predominant cost factors and although some of the drivers in the spot market have become more available, The costs remain at the exception of high levels. Speaker 400:13:42Got you. And then last question before I Turn it over. With the Ifal's downtime maintenance downtime that you have this upcoming quarter, could you just talk about the normal steps that you take to ensure the customers Get the product they need and ultimately anything that you'll do around inventory build, just to make sure that you're able to serve their needs? Speaker 100:14:03Yes. That's a shutdown that's been planned for the last 6 months. And so it's a week long outage that will take place in June. And so you have to assume that we've already Preplanned to have a necessary inventory and how we'll take care of customers. And so that's it's really not an issue. Speaker 100:14:20It's all part of the shutdown planning. Speaker 500:14:23Okay, great. Thanks again. Speaker 100:14:25Next question please. Operator00:14:28We have your next Question is from the line of Mark Wilde from Bank of Montreal. Your line is open. Speaker 500:14:37Thanks. Good morning, Mark. Good morning, Tom. Good morning, Bob. Good morning, Mark. Speaker 500:14:43Mark, just to To start out, it seems like there's an awful lot of new investment in corrugating capacity, including new wider corrugators kind of coming into the industry because we've been very tight for What impact is this having on mills and machine efficiency, if any? Speaker 100:15:04Speaking for us, it's really not a factor. We've continued to invest in our own box plants over at least half dozen years now. We've added new corrugators. There are certain optimal sized corrugators that we prefer that some If you have gone to the very large 130 inches type corrugators, again, there's certain optimal levels. I don't think there's a real strong relationship to mill efficiency and corrugator size necessarily. Speaker 100:15:37Tom, you want to add a little color? Speaker 200:15:38Well, I would just say that if you've got some narrow machines, that can Create some issues relative to the wider corrugators. So that to me would be The largest impact you probably see in the mills is just some scheduling issues on narrow machines. Yes, from the old machines. Yes. Speaker 500:15:59Okay. Tom, and I'm curious, it seems like over the last 18 months, we've been getting more reports about sort of subcontracting out of Corrugated volumes during the pandemic, I think this is because of strong demand and the labor shortages. Have you guys seen any impact from this in your system? Have you had that Subcontract out more? Speaker 200:16:19I think Mark, we have kind of a unique system from the standpoint that we have A lot of corrugated plants and we have a lot of sheet plants. So I think in terms of flexibility, sometimes we have a little bit more than some of our competitors might. And that's where I see a lot of this subcontracting, as you call it, is probably more in the independent sheet network as opposed to anywhere else. And like I said, we're able to handle that type of business. So for us, no, we're cutting up everything that we all our demand internally. Speaker 500:16:59Okay, that's helpful. Finally, Mark, I wondered if you could give us just an updated timeline and ultimate capacity on the Conversion of the 2 machines at Jackson? Speaker 100:17:11Well, the primary emphasis at Jackson is the number 3 machine. And As we called out earlier this year, we pushed that outage off to the October period because of supply chain issues. When that last phase is completed a year from now, we anticipate that the Jackson number 3 machine Should have a 700,000 ton a year capacity built into it. Right now, The number one machine, we're not planning on any significant upgrades at this time. We've got studies done as you would imagine. Speaker 100:17:51That would be an opportunity for the future if we choose to move in that direction. But we will Have a good opportunity to absorb the full production of number 3 machine through later next year and into 2024. Speaker 500:18:10What would the capacity at number 1 be without the upgrade? And then potentially, what Could that go to if you put some capital in Speaker 100:18:17ballpark terms? Today, if you think about number one machine at Jackson with no capital investment, it's somewhere 125,000 tons a year type of run rate with the basis weights we're running, which is a pretty good place to be considering we haven't Invested in capital. Speaker 500:18:36Okay, very good. I'll turn it over. Speaker 100:18:38And it's like any other machine we talked about over the decades. It's all a matter of capital. How much capital do you want to spend for how much capacity? Because once you reach a certain critical point you really get into diminishing returns, because now you're getting into the bigger pieces of capital required for back end infrastructure pulping and all of the related pulp capacity requirements. So there's certainly an economic analysis that takes place that You quickly reach a peak return and then diminish. Speaker 100:19:10So I think where we are with what we're looking at, If you're producing 700,000 tons a year on number 3 machine and 120,000 tons, 140,000 tons a year on number 1 machine, That's a very good place for Jackson, Alabama to be on a cost and a profit curve. Speaker 500:19:31Okay. That's helpful. I'll turn it over, Mark. Thank you. Speaker 100:19:34Okay. Next question, please. Operator00:19:38Okay. And our next question comes from the line of Mark Weintraub from Seaport Research. Your line is open. Speaker 600:19:46Thank you. Congrats on another well executed quarter. First two follow ups. 1, you mentioned that it Normally, it takes about 90 days to fully implement from board into box. So can we conclude that a portion Of the pricing will show up, on an average basis in the Q3 as well that there will be some additional we'll see A lot of it in the Q2 and then we should see some incremental as we average the numbers from quarter to quarter in Speaker 200:20:19the Q3? Yes, Mark, this is Tom. Yes, that would be a good read in. Speaker 700:20:25Okay. Do Speaker 100:20:26you have anything else? Yes. Go ahead, Mark. Speaker 600:20:30And can you give us any sense if we looked back historically, what percentage might typically show up In that period that would in this case would be the Q3? Speaker 200:20:46No, it's I think, as I said, I mean, these things roll in over a 90 day period. I mean, there are a few accounts that have certain contracts It may go even beyond that. But for the most part, it's the 90 day period. And we've indicated that there's some In March and that the bulk will be in the Q2. Yes, there might be a little rollover into the Q3. Speaker 200:21:10That's the only guidance I can give you. Speaker 600:21:13Okay. So just a little though. Okay. Thank you. And then you mentioned The Jackson machine going to 700,000,000, is it about 500,000 now? Speaker 600:21:26What's the production Capacity currently, Jackson? Speaker 100:21:31You're in that probably 440,000 tons a year, 450,000 tons a year on that machine. And again, it just depends on the grade that we're running and then the 125,000 tons. If you look at last year running the machine for 1 quarter, we produced 459,000 tons for the year. For the Q1, we just produced 136,000 tons. So you're talking about for the full year run rate, If we continue to run at this pace, you're somewhere 550,000 tons for the year expected out of Jackson. Speaker 600:22:08Okay. Thank you. And then lastly, you mentioned the packaging demand looking good Into the Q2, can you update us on what your bookings were through the 1st part of August sorry, April? Speaker 200:22:24Yes. From so far in April, we're up 3.5% Speaker 500:22:30over Speaker 200:22:34And so keep in mind though that last April, we were up 12%. So this is a big, big jump on top of last April. So demand still remains very good. Speaker 600:22:46I appreciate all the color. Thank you. Operator00:22:54We have your next question from the line of Phil Ng from Jefferies. Your line is open. Phil Ng, your line is open. Your next question is from the line of Anthony Pettinari from Citigroup. Your line is open. Speaker 500:23:26Good morning. Good morning, Andy. Speaker 600:23:29Can you maybe talk a Speaker 700:23:30little bit more about inventory levels in terms of where you are versus Where you'd like to be and maybe potential timeline for getting there? And then given supply chain constraints, I mean, do you think just Structurally, you might hold a higher level of inventory than in the pre pandemic period. And then I guess Finally, anything that your customers have said about their inventories that's maybe worsened or gotten better or any kind of read from them? Speaker 100:24:03As we've called out, we're still below where we would want to be. We're still below our historical target levels. And a lot of it obviously has to do with the pandemic related supply chain transportation matters. And We're into the heavy shutdown period for the year as we come out of that, things generally improve. But I think Also part of your question, we would anticipate for the time being trying to hold a higher level than we had historically held prior to the pandemic. Speaker 100:24:40But again, with business volume Continued to grow at the rate it's growing, logistics supply chain issues, railroad trucking, Doing what they've been doing, it's very difficult to build to the necessary inventory levels. Speaker 700:24:59Okay. That's helpful. And then just on the very strong demand that you've seen, is there any finer point you Put on customer groups or end markets that are seeing especially stronger demand or maybe some demand that's softening a little bit. And then just broadly, I mean, are your local accounts, are they maybe outperforming national accounts or just Any color you can give on what has been extremely strong demand? It seems like it's continuing into April. Speaker 200:25:31Anthony, this is Tom. I'll handle the demand piece. Demand is, as I said, is very strong. I think representative of some of that strength is, if you just look at our top 50 accounts In the Q1, they were up 7% on average. Now that includes some that were up double digits and includes some that were down slightly, but But if you just look kind of broadly across just like I said those 50 accounts, you see that They're in lots of different businesses and demand remains very strong across all of those businesses. Speaker 200:26:13Relative to local versus national, I mean, you've got the puts and the takes, as I just talked about. But Generally speaking, I think that the larger accounts have a little bit more of an ability to work through some of the issues that are going on, perhaps More so than some of the smaller accounts. But again, it's everybody says they can grow a lot more Then what they're currently able to grow, they're just held up by all these supply chain issues primarily and the labor issues that we've talked about in the past. Speaker 700:26:49Okay. That's great color. I'll turn it over. Speaker 100:26:52Thank you. Next question please. Operator00:26:56We have your next Question from Clive Roquette from UBS. Your line is open. Speaker 800:27:01Great. Thanks everybody for taking my questions. Good morning. Speaker 500:27:05Good morning. I don't want to Speaker 800:27:06beat a dead horse, but just to follow-up quickly on demand. PCA has done, I mean, frankly, very impressive job of taking market share in this business over the last 12 to 18 months, call it. Do you have a sense of Whether the growth you're seeing is like end demand market growth or are you just continuing to execute well and take market share? Speaker 200:27:31Well, I would say that our long term strategy and I just mentioned it in the commentary too is to really spend a lot of time making sure we align with the right kind of customers. And we've been doing that for decades. So most the great majority of our growth comes from our existing accounts and their ability to grow and our ability to help them grow in whatever way we possibly can. So that's the majority of where PCA's And we've demonstrated that not just in the recent past, but certainly over the long term. Speaker 800:28:15Okay. That's clear. And then just a couple of quick follow ups. First, I want to follow-up on John's question about freight and trucking. We're seeing the same things about spot pricing, but we've also heard that some of the logistics is moving out of the spot market and into the contract market. Speaker 800:28:35I'd just be curious to know if you're changing your strategy at all, especially As it relates to the trucking market? Speaker 100:28:43No. We're not necessarily changing strategy. We're taking advantage of some of the Availability improving, but there's no major change in strategy. Tom, you want to add anything? Speaker 200:28:53No. We've been under contracts for the most part, We don't use that much spot to tell you the truth. Speaker 800:29:02Yes. Okay. That's clear. And then just on labor productivity, I think we heard Pretty broadly last quarter that labor, especially in the box system, was kind of a constraint to production and constraint Productivity, I mean, you guys obviously burned inventory this quarter, but I'd just be curious to know if that's easing at all or if there's any sort of bottleneck on the labor side that's Holding you back on the productivity side. Speaker 100:29:29Yes. Again, keep in mind, if you think about commentary we've made over the last year with our capital investment in the last Few years, we've been able to make significant improvements in the productivity in our box plants and continue to Grow our capability in terms of productivity per unit, man hour employed. But that being said, With the labor market there, there's still an incredible amount of stress on the labor pool in the converting side and the mill side. Speaker 200:30:03Yes, there's no question. I mean, our labor situation improved as a result of the COVID, especially the omicron variant going down some. So that was a help to our labor situation. But on the other hand, trying to hire new And replace retirees, etcetera, is still a bit of a challenge and will remain so. If you just look at any of the statistics and the 8,000,000 jobs that are sitting there open, the highest labor participation rate In decades, we've got certainly, I think everybody in any industry would attest to the fact that Labor is a real challenge. Speaker 800:30:49That is all very clear. Thanks for answering the questions. I appreciate it guys. Speaker 100:30:53Okay. Next question please. Operator00:31:03We have your next question from the line of Mark Wilde from Bank of Montreal. Your line is open. Speaker 500:31:11Thanks. I've got a couple of follow ups. One, is it possible for you to just help us differentiate kind of the level of inflation you're seeing at the mill level versus What you're seeing at the converting level, it does seem like converting plants are seeing more cost pressure than I've I've seen in my career between labor, starches, pallets, energy, other issues. Speaker 100:31:36Yes. I think again, it's relative, Mark. Across the board, you'd have to understand that everything is under tremendous Inflationary pressure, what you just said is correct. Tom, you want to go ahead and add some detail to that? Speaker 200:31:51Well, I'm just going to agree wholeheartedly with you, Mark. I have never seen anything like the across the board inflation we're dealing with in box plants. We can talk about some of the big numbers, transportation, those sorts of things. But when you start talking about all the things you just mentioned, the labor, the starts, the pallets, The ink, the dies, any equipment repairs, any of those sorts of things, it's just these are numbers that I've never seen before, upwards of as much as 200% in some cases. Speaker 500:32:24Okay. Mark, the other question I had is, you've created a lot of incremental benefits by taking advantage of Conversion opportunities at DeRidder, at Wallula, now at Jackson. Is there anything at International Falls that would prevent you from doing the same There at some point in time? Speaker 100:32:46No. As a matter of fact, the High Falls is Another example of a mill that if the market dictated, we could take advantage of in a very, very good way As far as paper market and then how that plays into our growth in our corrugated products business. Again, as you heard us talk about, we're always studying and planning and looking at opportunities And we've got the plans put in the file on what we'd want to do someday if the market conditions were such that it dictated we needed to To make a decision about Ifalls, but keep in mind that the big machine at Ifalls, the I1 machine It is quite frankly a better version of what we have at Jackson on J3. They were both Essentially, sister machines installed at the similar timeframe few decades ago and tremendous Capability, the mill infrastructure at High Falls has tremendous capability to support conversion. But again, it's all about box demand versus paper demand and profitability. Speaker 100:34:05So we have that opportunity, but yes, I Falls is another one of the opportunities that's sitting there that could be taken advantage of someday. Speaker 500:34:16Okay. Would it just be fair to assume, Mark, given that it's primarily a hardwood mill right now that You'd be more likely to take that toward corrugating medium rather than linerboarders. Is that not a good assumption? Speaker 100:34:32That's a bad assumption. Speaker 500:34:35Okay, good enough. Thanks. Speaker 100:34:37Yes. Next question please. Operator00:34:42Mr. Kosen, I'm not seeing any more questions. Do you have any closing comments? Speaker 100:34:48Again, thanks everybody for joining us today on the call and we look forward to talking with you at the latter part of July. Have a good day everybody. 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It operates through the following segments: Packaging, Paper, and Corporate and Other. The Packaging segment offers a variety of corrugated packaging products, such as conventional shipping containers. The Paper segment manufactures and sells a range of papers, including communication-based papers, and pressure sensitive papers. The Corporate and Other segment focuses on transportation assets, such as rail cars, and trucks. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Thank you for joining Packaging Corporation of America's First Quarter 2022 Earnings Result Conference Call. Your host today will be Mark Colson, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of PCA. Upon conclusion of this narrative, there will be a Q and A session. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Kowlson, and please proceed when you are ready. Speaker 100:00:24Thank you, Patricia. Good morning, everyone, and thank you all for participating in Packaging Corporation of America's First Quarter 2022 earnings release conference call. I'm Mark Colzan, Chairman and CEO of PCA. And with me on the call today is Tom Hassfurther, Executive Vice President, then I'm going to be turning the call over to Tom and Bob who will provide further details. And then I will wrap things up and we'll be glad to take questions. Speaker 100:00:58Yesterday, we reported 1st quarter net income of $254,000,000 or $2.70 per share. 1st quarter net income included special items expenses of $0.02 per share, primarily for certain costs at the Jackson Alabama Mill for paper to containerboard conversion related activities. Details of the special items for both the Q1 of 20 1st quarter 2022 net income was $256,000,000 or $2.72 per share compared to Q1 20 21 net income of $169,000,000 or $1.77 per share. 1st quarter net sales were $2,100,000,000 in 20.22 $1,800,000,000 in 2021. Total company EBITDA for the Q1 excluding special items was $467,000,000 in 20.22 and $342,000,000 in 2021. Speaker 100:02:13Excluding the special items, The $0.95 per share increase in Q1 2022 earnings compared to the Q1 of 2021 was driven primarily by higher prices and mix of $1.83 and volume of $0.23 in the Packaging segment. Higher prices in mix in our Paper segment for $0.15 a lower share count resulting from share repurchases for $0.03 and lower interest expenses of $0.02 These items were partially offset by $0.71 of inflation related operating cost increases, particularly with energy, fiber, chemicals, Operating labor and repair labor and materials. Freight and logistics expenses have now moved higher for 7 quarters in a row We also had higher depreciation expenses of $0.07 lower volume in our Paper segment were 0 point 0 $6 Higher scheduled outage expenses, dollars 0.05 a higher tax rate resulting from some favorable items in last year's tax rate of $0.03 and other costs $0.01 The results were $0.22 above our Q1 guidance of $2.50 per share primarily due to higher prices and mix and higher volumes in both our Packaging and Paper segments, Operating cost improvements from efficiency and usage initiatives and favorable weather conditions. Looking at the Packaging business, EBITDA excluding special items in the Q1 of 2022 was $464,000,000 with sales of $1,960,000,000 which resulted in a 23.6 percent margin versus last year's EBITDA of $352,000,000 and sales of $1,620,000,000 or a 21.7 percent margin. Speaker 100:04:27Demand in the Packaging segment remained very strong as sales volume in both our containerboard mills and our corrugated products Plants had record setting performances. The scheduled maintenance outages in our mills went very well and both machines at our Jackson, Alabama mill produced below our targeted and historical levels. Although we still face unprecedented inflationary headwinds And our manufacturing costs as well as freight and logistics expenses, our facilities continue to deliver on numerous cost reduction initiatives, Efficiency improvements, integration and optimization enhancements and capital project benefits to maximize our returns and our margins. I'll now turn it over to Tom, who'll provide further details on the containerboard sales and corrugated products business. Speaker 200:05:27Thanks, Mark. As Mark mentioned, corrugated products and containerboard demand were very strong during the quarter. We set a new all time total box shipments record as well as a new 1st quarter shipments per day record. Total volume in our corrugated Plants was up 2.9% and shipments per day were up 1.3% versus a very strong comp in last year's Q1, which for us was up approximately 8% over the prior year. In addition to supplying the record internal needs of our box Our outside sales volume of containerboard was 46,000 tons above the Q1 of 2021, owing to continued strong domestic and export demand. Speaker 200:06:12Outside volume was 26,000 tons below the Q4 of 2021 in order to help Supply our strong internal demand, while managing through the scheduled maintenance outages at our mills. Domestic containerboard and corrugated products Prices and mix contributed $1.60 per share above the Q1 of 2021 and were up $0.23 per share compared to the Q4 of 2021. Export containerboard prices were up $0.23 per share versus last year's Q1 and up a $0.01 per share compared to the Q4 of 2021. The benefits of our disciplined approach for the implementation of price increases execution of the initial implementation of our recent March price increase contributed to results in the Q1 as well. I'd also like to point out that the capital spending and optimization strategy within our box plant system that we have been focused on over the last few years also plays a key role in our successful implementation process. Speaker 200:07:21The investments from this strategy provide the products and service needs that our customers desire and allows them to grow while focusing on the mix of customers we want to align and partner with. I'll now turn it back to Mark. Speaker 100:07:34Thanks, Tom. Looking at the Paper segment, EBITDA excluding special items in the Q1 was $29,000,000 with sales of $153,000,000 or an 18.9 percent margin compared to the Q1 20 21 EBITDA of $16,000,000 and sales of $165,000,000 for a 9.6% margin. As we mentioned on last quarter's call, volume from our Paper segment this year is expected to be fairly representative of the capacity at our International Falls Accordingly, sales volume was about 19% below last year's Q1 when we were producing paper on the number one machine at our Jackson, Alabama mill. Paper prices and mix were 14% higher than last year's Q1 and 6% above the Q4 of 2021 resulting from our previously announced paper price increases. Also, in late March, we notified customers of $100 per ton price increase effective with shipments beginning May 2nd for all office The efforts of our employees to optimize the cost structure, inventory and product mix in the paper business help minimize the inflationary increases we're seeing and deliver solid returns in the quarter. Speaker 100:08:56I'll now turn it over to Bob. Thanks, Mark. Speaker 300:09:01For the Q1, we generated cash from operations of $339,000,000 and free cash flow of $113,000,000 Key cash payments during the quarter included capital expenditures of $226,000,000 and common stock dividends of $94,000,000 We ended the quarter with $629,000,000 of cash on hand or $778,000,000 including marketable securities. Our liquidity on March 31 was $1,100,000,000 I want to update you on a revision To the scheduled mill maintenance outage guidance that we provided on last quarter's call, current plans and the scope of work has changed, Resulting in a revised total company estimated cost impact for the year of $1.04 per share versus The $1.13 per share previously. The actual impact in the Q1 was $0.15 per share And the revised estimated impact by quarter for the remainder of the year is now $0.26 per share in the 2nd quarter, $0.22 in the 3rd and $0.41 per share in the 4th quarter. I'll now turn it back over to Mark. Speaker 100:10:16Thank you, Bob. Looking ahead, as we move from the first and into the second quarter, we expect demand in our Packaging segment to remain very strong And we'll continue implementing the previously announced price increases in both our Packaging and Paper segments. Volume in the Paper segment will be lower with Schedule outage at our International Falls Mill and as Bob pointed out, total scheduled outage costs will be $0.11 higher than the Q1. We also anticipate continued inflation with freight, logistics expenses as well as most of our operating costs, Although recycled fiber prices should be slightly lower. Considering all of these items, we expect 2nd quarter earnings of $2.83 per share. Speaker 100:11:03With that, we'd be happy to entertain any questions, but I must remind you that some of the statements we've made on the call constituted forward looking statements. The statements were based on current estimates, expectations and projections of the company and do involve inherent risks and uncertainties, Including the direction of the economy and those identified as risk factors in the annual report on Form 10 ks and on file with the SEC. Actual results could differ materially from those expressed in the forward looking statements. And with that, Patricia, I'd like to open up the call for questions, please. Operator00:11:35Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of George Tsakos from Bank of America. Your line is open. Speaker 400:11:55Hey, good morning. This is actually John Babcock on the line for George. I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. I guess just first of all, I was wondering if you might be able to talk about the cadence on Price increase implementation this time and if there's any reason to believe it might be different relative to some of the hikes last year, that would be great. Speaker 100:12:13Go ahead, Tom. Speaker 200:12:14Yes. The implementation is right on track just like the others. We have a very disciplined approach. We usually get pass through over about a 90 day period. So as I mentioned, we had some that was in the month of March, But the majority of the price increase will be in the Q2. Speaker 400:12:34Okay. Thank you. And the next question, just as it pertains to Trucking, I was wondering if you could talk about what you're seeing in terms of spot rates for that. Ultimately, some of our contacts suggest that Prices might be dropping there. So just want to get any color that you might have. Speaker 100:12:52Bob, do you want to add a little bit of that? Speaker 300:12:54Yes, John. I'll just say that we are seeing a little bit of that relative to the spot market. There Various factors going on that showed a little improvement in the Q1, but I think as most people would agree that It's still far from being in an ideal situation. And our guidance for the Q2, again, we have Our freight costs are going up probably another 5% or so. So still a lot to be done there. Speaker 100:13:23I think you need to consider again that diesel is still sitting at Over $5 a gallon and that's one of the predominant cost factors and although some of the drivers in the spot market have become more available, The costs remain at the exception of high levels. Speaker 400:13:42Got you. And then last question before I Turn it over. With the Ifal's downtime maintenance downtime that you have this upcoming quarter, could you just talk about the normal steps that you take to ensure the customers Get the product they need and ultimately anything that you'll do around inventory build, just to make sure that you're able to serve their needs? Speaker 100:14:03Yes. That's a shutdown that's been planned for the last 6 months. And so it's a week long outage that will take place in June. And so you have to assume that we've already Preplanned to have a necessary inventory and how we'll take care of customers. And so that's it's really not an issue. Speaker 100:14:20It's all part of the shutdown planning. Speaker 500:14:23Okay, great. Thanks again. Speaker 100:14:25Next question please. Operator00:14:28We have your next Question is from the line of Mark Wilde from Bank of Montreal. Your line is open. Speaker 500:14:37Thanks. Good morning, Mark. Good morning, Tom. Good morning, Bob. Good morning, Mark. Speaker 500:14:43Mark, just to To start out, it seems like there's an awful lot of new investment in corrugating capacity, including new wider corrugators kind of coming into the industry because we've been very tight for What impact is this having on mills and machine efficiency, if any? Speaker 100:15:04Speaking for us, it's really not a factor. We've continued to invest in our own box plants over at least half dozen years now. We've added new corrugators. There are certain optimal sized corrugators that we prefer that some If you have gone to the very large 130 inches type corrugators, again, there's certain optimal levels. I don't think there's a real strong relationship to mill efficiency and corrugator size necessarily. Speaker 100:15:37Tom, you want to add a little color? Speaker 200:15:38Well, I would just say that if you've got some narrow machines, that can Create some issues relative to the wider corrugators. So that to me would be The largest impact you probably see in the mills is just some scheduling issues on narrow machines. Yes, from the old machines. Yes. Speaker 500:15:59Okay. Tom, and I'm curious, it seems like over the last 18 months, we've been getting more reports about sort of subcontracting out of Corrugated volumes during the pandemic, I think this is because of strong demand and the labor shortages. Have you guys seen any impact from this in your system? Have you had that Subcontract out more? Speaker 200:16:19I think Mark, we have kind of a unique system from the standpoint that we have A lot of corrugated plants and we have a lot of sheet plants. So I think in terms of flexibility, sometimes we have a little bit more than some of our competitors might. And that's where I see a lot of this subcontracting, as you call it, is probably more in the independent sheet network as opposed to anywhere else. And like I said, we're able to handle that type of business. So for us, no, we're cutting up everything that we all our demand internally. Speaker 500:16:59Okay, that's helpful. Finally, Mark, I wondered if you could give us just an updated timeline and ultimate capacity on the Conversion of the 2 machines at Jackson? Speaker 100:17:11Well, the primary emphasis at Jackson is the number 3 machine. And As we called out earlier this year, we pushed that outage off to the October period because of supply chain issues. When that last phase is completed a year from now, we anticipate that the Jackson number 3 machine Should have a 700,000 ton a year capacity built into it. Right now, The number one machine, we're not planning on any significant upgrades at this time. We've got studies done as you would imagine. Speaker 100:17:51That would be an opportunity for the future if we choose to move in that direction. But we will Have a good opportunity to absorb the full production of number 3 machine through later next year and into 2024. Speaker 500:18:10What would the capacity at number 1 be without the upgrade? And then potentially, what Could that go to if you put some capital in Speaker 100:18:17ballpark terms? Today, if you think about number one machine at Jackson with no capital investment, it's somewhere 125,000 tons a year type of run rate with the basis weights we're running, which is a pretty good place to be considering we haven't Invested in capital. Speaker 500:18:36Okay, very good. I'll turn it over. Speaker 100:18:38And it's like any other machine we talked about over the decades. It's all a matter of capital. How much capital do you want to spend for how much capacity? Because once you reach a certain critical point you really get into diminishing returns, because now you're getting into the bigger pieces of capital required for back end infrastructure pulping and all of the related pulp capacity requirements. So there's certainly an economic analysis that takes place that You quickly reach a peak return and then diminish. Speaker 100:19:10So I think where we are with what we're looking at, If you're producing 700,000 tons a year on number 3 machine and 120,000 tons, 140,000 tons a year on number 1 machine, That's a very good place for Jackson, Alabama to be on a cost and a profit curve. Speaker 500:19:31Okay. That's helpful. I'll turn it over, Mark. Thank you. Speaker 100:19:34Okay. Next question, please. Operator00:19:38Okay. And our next question comes from the line of Mark Weintraub from Seaport Research. Your line is open. Speaker 600:19:46Thank you. Congrats on another well executed quarter. First two follow ups. 1, you mentioned that it Normally, it takes about 90 days to fully implement from board into box. So can we conclude that a portion Of the pricing will show up, on an average basis in the Q3 as well that there will be some additional we'll see A lot of it in the Q2 and then we should see some incremental as we average the numbers from quarter to quarter in Speaker 200:20:19the Q3? Yes, Mark, this is Tom. Yes, that would be a good read in. Speaker 700:20:25Okay. Do Speaker 100:20:26you have anything else? Yes. Go ahead, Mark. Speaker 600:20:30And can you give us any sense if we looked back historically, what percentage might typically show up In that period that would in this case would be the Q3? Speaker 200:20:46No, it's I think, as I said, I mean, these things roll in over a 90 day period. I mean, there are a few accounts that have certain contracts It may go even beyond that. But for the most part, it's the 90 day period. And we've indicated that there's some In March and that the bulk will be in the Q2. Yes, there might be a little rollover into the Q3. Speaker 200:21:10That's the only guidance I can give you. Speaker 600:21:13Okay. So just a little though. Okay. Thank you. And then you mentioned The Jackson machine going to 700,000,000, is it about 500,000 now? Speaker 600:21:26What's the production Capacity currently, Jackson? Speaker 100:21:31You're in that probably 440,000 tons a year, 450,000 tons a year on that machine. And again, it just depends on the grade that we're running and then the 125,000 tons. If you look at last year running the machine for 1 quarter, we produced 459,000 tons for the year. For the Q1, we just produced 136,000 tons. So you're talking about for the full year run rate, If we continue to run at this pace, you're somewhere 550,000 tons for the year expected out of Jackson. Speaker 600:22:08Okay. Thank you. And then lastly, you mentioned the packaging demand looking good Into the Q2, can you update us on what your bookings were through the 1st part of August sorry, April? Speaker 200:22:24Yes. From so far in April, we're up 3.5% Speaker 500:22:30over Speaker 200:22:34And so keep in mind though that last April, we were up 12%. So this is a big, big jump on top of last April. So demand still remains very good. Speaker 600:22:46I appreciate all the color. Thank you. Operator00:22:54We have your next question from the line of Phil Ng from Jefferies. Your line is open. Phil Ng, your line is open. Your next question is from the line of Anthony Pettinari from Citigroup. Your line is open. Speaker 500:23:26Good morning. Good morning, Andy. Speaker 600:23:29Can you maybe talk a Speaker 700:23:30little bit more about inventory levels in terms of where you are versus Where you'd like to be and maybe potential timeline for getting there? And then given supply chain constraints, I mean, do you think just Structurally, you might hold a higher level of inventory than in the pre pandemic period. And then I guess Finally, anything that your customers have said about their inventories that's maybe worsened or gotten better or any kind of read from them? Speaker 100:24:03As we've called out, we're still below where we would want to be. We're still below our historical target levels. And a lot of it obviously has to do with the pandemic related supply chain transportation matters. And We're into the heavy shutdown period for the year as we come out of that, things generally improve. But I think Also part of your question, we would anticipate for the time being trying to hold a higher level than we had historically held prior to the pandemic. Speaker 100:24:40But again, with business volume Continued to grow at the rate it's growing, logistics supply chain issues, railroad trucking, Doing what they've been doing, it's very difficult to build to the necessary inventory levels. Speaker 700:24:59Okay. That's helpful. And then just on the very strong demand that you've seen, is there any finer point you Put on customer groups or end markets that are seeing especially stronger demand or maybe some demand that's softening a little bit. And then just broadly, I mean, are your local accounts, are they maybe outperforming national accounts or just Any color you can give on what has been extremely strong demand? It seems like it's continuing into April. Speaker 200:25:31Anthony, this is Tom. I'll handle the demand piece. Demand is, as I said, is very strong. I think representative of some of that strength is, if you just look at our top 50 accounts In the Q1, they were up 7% on average. Now that includes some that were up double digits and includes some that were down slightly, but But if you just look kind of broadly across just like I said those 50 accounts, you see that They're in lots of different businesses and demand remains very strong across all of those businesses. Speaker 200:26:13Relative to local versus national, I mean, you've got the puts and the takes, as I just talked about. But Generally speaking, I think that the larger accounts have a little bit more of an ability to work through some of the issues that are going on, perhaps More so than some of the smaller accounts. But again, it's everybody says they can grow a lot more Then what they're currently able to grow, they're just held up by all these supply chain issues primarily and the labor issues that we've talked about in the past. Speaker 700:26:49Okay. That's great color. I'll turn it over. Speaker 100:26:52Thank you. Next question please. Operator00:26:56We have your next Question from Clive Roquette from UBS. Your line is open. Speaker 800:27:01Great. Thanks everybody for taking my questions. Good morning. Speaker 500:27:05Good morning. I don't want to Speaker 800:27:06beat a dead horse, but just to follow-up quickly on demand. PCA has done, I mean, frankly, very impressive job of taking market share in this business over the last 12 to 18 months, call it. Do you have a sense of Whether the growth you're seeing is like end demand market growth or are you just continuing to execute well and take market share? Speaker 200:27:31Well, I would say that our long term strategy and I just mentioned it in the commentary too is to really spend a lot of time making sure we align with the right kind of customers. And we've been doing that for decades. So most the great majority of our growth comes from our existing accounts and their ability to grow and our ability to help them grow in whatever way we possibly can. So that's the majority of where PCA's And we've demonstrated that not just in the recent past, but certainly over the long term. Speaker 800:28:15Okay. That's clear. And then just a couple of quick follow ups. First, I want to follow-up on John's question about freight and trucking. We're seeing the same things about spot pricing, but we've also heard that some of the logistics is moving out of the spot market and into the contract market. Speaker 800:28:35I'd just be curious to know if you're changing your strategy at all, especially As it relates to the trucking market? Speaker 100:28:43No. We're not necessarily changing strategy. We're taking advantage of some of the Availability improving, but there's no major change in strategy. Tom, you want to add anything? Speaker 200:28:53No. We've been under contracts for the most part, We don't use that much spot to tell you the truth. Speaker 800:29:02Yes. Okay. That's clear. And then just on labor productivity, I think we heard Pretty broadly last quarter that labor, especially in the box system, was kind of a constraint to production and constraint Productivity, I mean, you guys obviously burned inventory this quarter, but I'd just be curious to know if that's easing at all or if there's any sort of bottleneck on the labor side that's Holding you back on the productivity side. Speaker 100:29:29Yes. Again, keep in mind, if you think about commentary we've made over the last year with our capital investment in the last Few years, we've been able to make significant improvements in the productivity in our box plants and continue to Grow our capability in terms of productivity per unit, man hour employed. But that being said, With the labor market there, there's still an incredible amount of stress on the labor pool in the converting side and the mill side. Speaker 200:30:03Yes, there's no question. I mean, our labor situation improved as a result of the COVID, especially the omicron variant going down some. So that was a help to our labor situation. But on the other hand, trying to hire new And replace retirees, etcetera, is still a bit of a challenge and will remain so. If you just look at any of the statistics and the 8,000,000 jobs that are sitting there open, the highest labor participation rate In decades, we've got certainly, I think everybody in any industry would attest to the fact that Labor is a real challenge. Speaker 800:30:49That is all very clear. Thanks for answering the questions. I appreciate it guys. Speaker 100:30:53Okay. Next question please. Operator00:31:03We have your next question from the line of Mark Wilde from Bank of Montreal. Your line is open. Speaker 500:31:11Thanks. I've got a couple of follow ups. One, is it possible for you to just help us differentiate kind of the level of inflation you're seeing at the mill level versus What you're seeing at the converting level, it does seem like converting plants are seeing more cost pressure than I've I've seen in my career between labor, starches, pallets, energy, other issues. Speaker 100:31:36Yes. I think again, it's relative, Mark. Across the board, you'd have to understand that everything is under tremendous Inflationary pressure, what you just said is correct. Tom, you want to go ahead and add some detail to that? Speaker 200:31:51Well, I'm just going to agree wholeheartedly with you, Mark. I have never seen anything like the across the board inflation we're dealing with in box plants. We can talk about some of the big numbers, transportation, those sorts of things. But when you start talking about all the things you just mentioned, the labor, the starts, the pallets, The ink, the dies, any equipment repairs, any of those sorts of things, it's just these are numbers that I've never seen before, upwards of as much as 200% in some cases. Speaker 500:32:24Okay. Mark, the other question I had is, you've created a lot of incremental benefits by taking advantage of Conversion opportunities at DeRidder, at Wallula, now at Jackson. Is there anything at International Falls that would prevent you from doing the same There at some point in time? Speaker 100:32:46No. As a matter of fact, the High Falls is Another example of a mill that if the market dictated, we could take advantage of in a very, very good way As far as paper market and then how that plays into our growth in our corrugated products business. Again, as you heard us talk about, we're always studying and planning and looking at opportunities And we've got the plans put in the file on what we'd want to do someday if the market conditions were such that it dictated we needed to To make a decision about Ifalls, but keep in mind that the big machine at Ifalls, the I1 machine It is quite frankly a better version of what we have at Jackson on J3. They were both Essentially, sister machines installed at the similar timeframe few decades ago and tremendous Capability, the mill infrastructure at High Falls has tremendous capability to support conversion. But again, it's all about box demand versus paper demand and profitability. Speaker 100:34:05So we have that opportunity, but yes, I Falls is another one of the opportunities that's sitting there that could be taken advantage of someday. Speaker 500:34:16Okay. Would it just be fair to assume, Mark, given that it's primarily a hardwood mill right now that You'd be more likely to take that toward corrugating medium rather than linerboarders. Is that not a good assumption? Speaker 100:34:32That's a bad assumption. Speaker 500:34:35Okay, good enough. Thanks. Speaker 100:34:37Yes. Next question please. Operator00:34:42Mr. Kosen, I'm not seeing any more questions. Do you have any closing comments? Speaker 100:34:48Again, thanks everybody for joining us today on the call and we look forward to talking with you at the latter part of July. Have a good day everybody. Thanks.Read morePowered by