Douglas Elliman Q1 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Positive Sentiment: Douglas Elliman reported a robust U.S. residential market with $52.8 billion in gross transaction value over the last 12 months and an average sale price of $1.62 million, driven in part by a high share of cash buyers that have insulated the business from rising interest rates.
  • Positive Sentiment: For Q1 2022, revenues rose 13% year-over-year to $308.9 million, led by strong commission growth in its luxury markets.
  • Negative Sentiment: Net income declined to $6.5 million (or $0.08 per share) and adjusted EBITDA fell to $12.7 million, down from $14.0 million and $16.4 million respectively in Q1 2021, reflecting the impact of public-company costs.
  • Positive Sentiment: The company is expanding its footprint with new offices in Vero Beach, Ponte Vedra and Nantucket, and is aggressively recruiting agents in Texas markets including Houston, Dallas and Austin.
  • Positive Sentiment: Douglas Elliman continues to invest in proptech and automation—enhancing its MyDouglas agent portal with data-driven video tools, launching a StudioPRO concierge service, and rolling out automated payment and escrow applications to boost agent productivity and lower expenses.
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Earnings Conference Call
Douglas Elliman Q1 2022
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There are 5 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to Douglas Elliman, Inc. Q1 2022 Conference Call. During this call, the terms adjusted net income and adjusted EBITDA will be used. These terms are non GAAP financial measures and should be considered in addition to, but not as a substitute for, other measures of financial performance prepared in accordance with GAAP. Reconciliations to adjusted net income and adjusted EBITDA are contained in the company's earnings release, which has been posted to the Investor Relations section of the company's website located at investors.

Operator

Elmn.com. Before the call begins, I would like to read a Safe Harbor statement. The statements made during this conference call that are not historical facts are forward looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in or implied by forward looking statements. These risks are described in more detail in the company's Securities and Exchange Commission filings. I would now like to turn the call over to the Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of Douglas Elliman, Inc, Howard M.

Operator

Lorber.

Speaker 1

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us. Joining me today are Richard Lampen, our Chief Operating Officer Brian Kirkland, our Chief Financial Officer and Scott Durkin, President and CEO of Douglas Elliman Realty, our residential real estate brokerage business. On today's call, we will discuss the continued strength of the U. S. Residential real estate market and how factors in the market contributed we will then answer your questions before concluding today's call.

Speaker 1

During our last earnings call, we discussed why a brand name synonymous with luxury and a comprehensive suite of technology enabled real estate solutions positions Douglas Elliman to capitalize on the highly attractive dynamics in the U. S. Residential real estate market. During the Q1, we demonstrated that this continued to be true. We saw an ongoing trend of strong demand for residential homes combined with low inventory, which continues to result in significant price appreciation.

Speaker 1

We reported $52,800,000,000 in gross transaction value or closed sales over the last 12 months. To date, our business has not been materially impacted by higher mortgage rates, and we believe this is the result of our focus on our luxury markets where a higher percentage of transactions occur in cash. We believe this momentum will continue for the residential real estate and Element in particular, because of our strong presence in leading luxury markets. Also contributing to this momentum are factors such as the growing importance of millennial buyers, the return of international buyers and limited supply due to underbuilding of new homes between 2,007 2020. It is important to note that our Luxury brand results in higher average sales prices we are pleased to announce that we are in a position to deliver on our markets.

Speaker 1

For the 12 months ended March 31, 2022, Element we had an average price per transaction of $1,620,000 per home, substantially higher than our leading competitors outside of New York City. Our average price per transaction is approximately $1,500,000 which is well above the national average. We believe this creates a runway for us to continue to grow our business, not only in our existing markets, but in complementary markets as well. In addition to organic growth through recruiting in our major markets, we have significant opportunities to increase our market share in adjacent markets where the Elliman name is well known and trusted. New York City remains our largest market with $17,300,000,000 we continue to be pleased with the strong performance of our South Florida market with $14,700,000,000 in gross transaction value in the same period, an average selling price remained at approximately $2,000,000 per home across New York City and South Florida.

Speaker 1

We also maintained strong market share in New York City and South Florida. For the last 12 months, our market share in New York City and South Florida was 21% 20%, respectively. We have also continued to expand our footprint across existing and new luxury markets. In Florida, we expanded to Vero Beach and Pointe Vedra we will be in the Q1. In Massachusetts, we opened a Nantucket office in April and recently broke currently executing on the highest price transaction ever in that market.

Speaker 1

We are opening 2 additional offices in Boston in the coming months. We also continue to aggressively grow our business in Texas. We are actively recruiting new agents in Houston, Dallas and Austin. We believe Texas will be a major market for us in the future. Our residential brokerage is further differentiated and enhanced by our approach to technology.

Speaker 1

In the Q1 of 2022, we continued rolling out refinements of our cloud based MyDouglas agent portal by incorporating new features, including personalized distribution of data driven videos from marketing and social media, a service designed to maximize our agents' digital presence and our StudioPRO agent concierge service. Concurrently, we continue to focus on reducing our expenses and rolled out 2 new packaged applications to automate our payment processing and streamlined escrow services. In addition to lowering expenses, these integrated applications will provide a more automated experience and superior servants to our agents. Looking ahead, Element is focused on creating stockholder value through the expansion of our footprint, acceleration of our adoption of cutting edge Proptech solutions, continued recruitment of best in class talent, acquisitions, acquihires and operational efficiencies. Before we discuss the financial results for the quarter, I'd like to express my deep gratitude to the Element agents and employees we work hard every day for our company and our clients.

Speaker 1

Our agents are consistently ranked among the best in the business I continue to power our company's success. With that backdrop, let us move on to Douglas Elliman's financial results. For the 3 months ended March 31, 2022, Douglas Elliman reported $308,900,000 in revenues compared to $272,800,000 in the 2021 period, primarily driven by increased commission and other brokerage income in our luxury markets. Net income attributed to Douglas Elliman was $6,500,000 or $0.08 per diluted share for the 3 months ended March 31, 2022, compared to net income of $14,000,000 or $0.18 per share in the prior year period. For the 3 months ended March 31, 2022, adjusted EBITDA attributed to Douglas Elliman was $12,700,000 compared to $16,400,000 in the Q1 of 2021.

Speaker 1

For comparability Element began operating as a stand alone public company in the Q1 of 2022. Expenses incurred by our public company operations are reported in the Corporate and Other segment and the operations of our brokerage business are reported in our Real Estate Brokerage segment. Therefore, for comparison purposes, our Real Estate Brokerage segment reported operating income of $14,500,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2022, compared to $14,200,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2021. Our Real Estate Brokerage segment reported adjusted EBITDA attributed to it of $17,700,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2022, compared to $16,400,000 for the 3 months ended March 31, 2021. For the 3 months ended March 31, 2022, adjusted net income was $6,500,000 or $0.08 per share compared to adjusted net income of $0.13 or $0.18 per share in the Q1 of 2021.

Speaker 1

Douglas Elliman also maintained a strong balance sheet with cash of $203,700,000 at March 31, 2022. We believe this liquidity places us in a position of strength in the market. In summary, Element had a strong first quarter, we believe we have a strong platform for continued growth. In addition, during the Q1, we were pleased to begin paying a $0.05 per share dividend to our stockholders. It is our expectation that dividend will serve as a key component of our capital allocation going forward.

Speaker 1

With that, we will be happy to answer questions. Operator?

Operator

Your first question comes from the line of Ritwik Roy from Jefferies. Your line is open.

Speaker 2

Yes. Hi, Howard and team. So I guess when you guys discussed the resilience of sales relative to higher rates, you guys mentioned cash buyers. Do you guys, by any chance, have a percentage on that number?

Speaker 1

Well, it varies from market to market, but the real fact is that in the higher end deals, there's less talk of mortgage. And that doesn't mean they're not ultimately getting financing on it after they purchase it or getting if they deal with a private bank, they could be getting financing which doesn't have a mortgage on it from the private bank. But we don't really see interest rates having affected too much yet and in fact, what I've seen in the past over the years is that as rates start going up, that brings people into the market quicker because they don't want to be priced out of the market. They start thinking back of what the interest rates looked a long time ago And they're like, wow, they don't want to get to that point. So it sort of motivates some people to come into the market.

Speaker 2

Understood. So that kind of ties into what I was going to ask after that. So you would basically say the higher end markets like New York City and Florida, those are relatively resilient against the interest rate, I guess the interest rate backlog? Well,

Speaker 1

It could be resilient, but it depends how much. At some point, it wouldn't if we got back to these crazy rates that we had years ago. But we don't see that. And then also they're taking into account inflation. And look, people need houses.

Speaker 1

We're still millions of houses short in this country and according to all the data that we see, and people need and want housing. And therefore, they're going to do everything possible to do it as quick as possible because the way it looks now with inflation and supply problems to build new houses and rising interest rates, There's no better time probably than right now.

Speaker 2

Got it. That was helpful. Thank you. And if I may, just a little bit on modeling. How should we think about growth in fixed costs for this upcoming fiscal year 2022 or this current year?

Speaker 1

Yes. D. K. Hey, Rick. How are you?

Speaker 2

I'm doing well. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Good to hear from you.

Speaker 3

Very good. So if we look at our calls, we put them into 3 buckets. We put them into activity based, which are advertising and discretionary compensation or bonuses, we put them into non activity based and we put them into expansion. If you look at our cost in recent years on the general administrative line, our non activity base have been reduced from $216,000,000 to 194,000,000 That number has crept up as people have returned to the offices, but we will be taking initiatives to at DiamondDose calls as the year Progresses.

Speaker 1

Got it. And just

Speaker 2

for clarity though, that reduction in G and A, that's referring to the the total entity or just the brokerage segment?

Speaker 3

Yes. The G and A from 2019 over the last 12 months is roughly has gone $252,000,000 to $256,000,000 but most of that has been either through expansion of $13,000,000 or activity based calls, which are the advertising and discretionary bonuses from $35,000,000 to 49,000,000 And obviously, the activity based costs are really contingent or they correlate to the business and we've increased our business significantly since 2019.

Speaker 2

Okay, understood. So I guess taking away from that, with the return to office, expect some sort of pick up potentially in G and A, but you guys are monitoring the situation or I guess that scenario?

Speaker 3

We're monitoring it very closely.

Speaker 1

Yes. When you say to return to office, that was just part of it. Don't forget, we had people on furlough and layoffs. And then all of a sudden when COVID slowed down and the markets really started picking up in our primary markets, we had to hire back people and we had to find people That wasn't that easy. I think that's on the negative side.

Speaker 1

The positive side is the fact that we really, like most other companies that have lots of office space, we're not going to need all the space we have. So as leases start coming due, we're going to consolidate and save some substantial money on rent over the next few years.

Speaker 2

Got it. That's good to hear. And then One last item, maybe I missed this in the reporting, but did you guys get or do you guys have a number of transactions in the quarter?

Speaker 1

No, I don't you have that?

Speaker 3

Yes, it's in the quarter. Just a minute. Rick, it's in the press release.

Speaker 1

The number

Speaker 3

And Rick, when we are giving expenses, We are providing the expenses of the real estate brokerage subsidiary. That does not include corporate costs.

Speaker 1

Okay, understood. So that's public comment.

Speaker 2

Got it. So that, yes, it doesn't include the G and A entity there, Justin. Understood. Okay, cool. I will take another look at the press release then for that deal count and appreciate your guys' answers.

Speaker 1

Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from John Massocca with Ladenburg Thalmann. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Good afternoon.

Speaker 1

Hi. How's

Speaker 4

it going? Just curious where you feel you are in terms of your broker count, are you looking to kind of recruit still maybe in some of your core markets? I know there's obviously an initiative to expand into newer markets in kind of in some adjacent geographies, but in markets like New York or South Florida, I mean, do you feel you're in a good place from a brokerage A broker number or do you think you need to add more agents?

Speaker 1

No, no. We're always looking to add. We have some attrition. We try to keep our Number is going up though as far as agent count, especially on the good agents. We just hired a great agent, started a couple of days ago.

Speaker 1

We made an announcement about it. This was an agent that was doing a couple of $1,000,000 a year in commissions, and that's what we're looking for. And then when you look at our newer markets like Texas, I mean, I think we hired 60 people in Dallas in the last And everyone in the company, every executive in the company, one of their jobs is, including mine, is to recruit And that we spend a lot of time doing that.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then as we think about growth, how much of that is Really recruitment driven and how much of that could potentially be M and A, particularly given the current kind of capital markets environment we're in today?

Speaker 1

Well, Look, M and A sounds better, but there's also a cost to it. And recruiting probably takes a longer period of time and is a little bit tougher than just going and buying someone. But on the other hand, we look at the costs also. There's no simple solution. I mean, we want to we recruit, okay, and we want to have acquisitions.

Speaker 1

But most of our acquisitions recently have been small companies which we call sort of walkover deals, where there's maybe we just took over a group of 10 that had a small company, I think it was in Naples or outside of Naples. And so all of a sudden now we have a new office in Naples. So and we didn't pay anything upfront to that, but they wanted our brand. I mean, that's what everyone they wanted our brand and one of the reasons they want our brand is because our agents, if you ask our agents where they get a lot of their business from they're going to tell you from Douglas Elliman agents in other markets. And that's how we built the company.

Speaker 1

Florida people, New York people have Florida. Florida people go to Aspen in the summer months. California have been going to Texas and to Florida. So we have New York City people have been going to the Hamptons. We have so many markets.

Speaker 1

All our markets don't have connect to each other. And that's really how we want to keep growing the company.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then just one kind of detailed question, you talked about the G and A. I mean, was there anything one time ish in 1Q that we should watch out for? Or is that maybe kind of a good run rate now that you're kind of public company and separate public company and then also given the amount of activity going on the brokerage side.

Speaker 3

As far as we had $6,700,000 of loss, about $1,700,000 of that related to stock comp. So of that $5,000,000 there was a part that was one time. We believe the number for the year will be about $18,000,000

Speaker 4

Okay. That's very helpful.

Speaker 3

And John, one more item. Someone asked earlier about the number of transactions. In the Q1, the number was 7,212 and over the last 12 months is 32,519.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Mike Nolan with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Speaker 2

Good afternoon. Could you discuss management succession now that you're independently traded?

Speaker 1

Well, we think we have a good management team, but we've only been independently this is going on 3 months to the 4th month and we are opening markets and doing a lot of recruiting. So, we will have put together a management

Operator

you're joining us on Douglas Elliman's Q1 2022 earnings conference call. This will conclude our call. We hope you have a good Ming and you may now disconnect.

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