NetApp Q4 2022 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • NetApp delivered record Q4 and FY22 results, with 66% gross margin, 23.7% operating margin and FY22 non-GAAP EPS of $5.28, up 30% year-over-year.
  • Hybrid cloud product revenue grew 6% in Q4 and 10% in FY22, driven by a 12% increase in all-flash array ARR to $3.2 billion and 49% growth in object storage.
  • Public cloud ARR reached $505 million, up 68% year-over-year, though Q4 ARR missed targets due to higher churn, lower expansion and cloud operations sales turnover; NetApp now guides to $780–$820 million ARR exiting FY23.
  • Strong demand continues but supply chain constraints elevated backlog and pressured product margins, which NetApp expects to have troughed in Q4 FY22, with modest margin tailwinds anticipated in the back half of FY23.
  • For FY23, NetApp forecasts 6–8% revenue growth (including a 2pp FX headwind), 66–67% gross margin, 23–24% operating margin and non-GAAP EPS of $5.40–$5.60, while returning 100% of free cash flow to shareholders.
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Earnings Conference Call
NetApp Q4 2022
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There are 15 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the NetApp 4th Quarter and Fiscal Year 2022 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will be given at that time. I would now like to turn the call over to Kris Newton, Vice President, Investor Relations.

Speaker 1

Thank you for joining us. With me today are our CEO, George Kurian and CFO, Mike Barry. This call is being webcast live and will be available for replay on our Web site@netapp.com. During today's call, we will make forward looking statements and projections with respect to our financial outlook and future prospects, such as our guidance for Q1 fiscal year 2023, our expectations regarding future revenue, profitability and shareholder returns, the value we bring to customers, our ability to drive continued growth in both our hybrid cloud and public cloud segments and our ability to manage through the current supply chain environment, all of which involve risk and uncertainty. We disclaim any obligation to update our forward looking statements and projections.

Speaker 1

Actual results may differ materially for a variety of reasons, including Macroeconomic and market conditions such as the continuing impact and uneven recovery of the COVID-nineteen pandemic, including the resulting supply chain disruptions and the IT capital spending environment as well as our ability to gain share in the storage market, grow our cloud business and generate greater cash flow. Please also refer to the documents we file from time to time with the SEC and available on our website, specifically our most recent Forms 10Q and 10 ks, including in the management's During the call, all financial measures presented will be non GAAP unless otherwise indicated. Reconciliations of GAAP to non GAAP estimates are posted on our I'll now turn the call over to George.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Chris. Thanks everyone for joining us this afternoon. Our solid 4th quarter results Cap off a strong year. We made sustained progress against our strategic goals, successfully achieving our commitment to grow the business while delivering operating leverage in fiscal 2022. We gained share in enterprise storage With strong growth in all flash array and object storage products, we expanded our public cloud business with robust expansion of customers, ARR, innovation and routes to market and most notably, We delivered record levels of gross margin dollars, operating income and earnings per share.

Speaker 2

While the demand environment remains strong, macroeconomic uncertainty, including supply constraints, Rising interest rates, inflation and geopolitical conflict has increased since we last spoke with you at our Investor Day in March. Navigating this complex and dynamic environment is testing our team and we are sharply focused on managing what is in our control. Backlog is elevated due to supply constraints despite our excellent supply chain management helping us meet as much of the demand as possible. I want to thank our global team for their disciplined execution and agile response to changing conditions that we achieved all time highs for gross margin dollars, Operating income and earnings per share in the face of these headwinds demonstrates our disciplined operating management. The turbulent environment also creates challenges for our customers, raising the urgency for data driven, digital and cloud transformations.

Speaker 2

We sit at the intersections of these megatrends as the complexities created by rapid data growth, Multi cloud management and the adoption of next gen technologies such as AI, cloud native and modern application and data infrastructures create a sizable opportunity for us. At our Investor Day, we outlined our objective to deliver long term value through sustained growth and that thesis remains unchanged. Our critical role in helping customers achieve their transformation goals underpins our strategy and drives confidence for future growth. Public cloud ARR of 505,000,000 grew 68% year over year and the Q4 dollar based net revenue retention rate remains strong at 159%. Before I get to the many highlights of the quarter, I want to address the fact that our public cloud ARR came short of our expectations.

Speaker 2

Demand for our cloud storage solutions was strong in Q4. We also saw a healthy number of new customer additions across both cloud storage and cloud operations services in the quarter. Unfortunately, these tailwinds were not enough to offset the lower than expected growth created by higher churn, lower expansion rates and sales force turnover in our cloud operations portfolio. We understand the root causes of these temporary headwinds and in FY2023, our focus will be on returning these services to the growth trajectory we saw in the 1st 3 quarters of the year. We have made organizational changes to increase focus on renewal and expansion motions and we'll continue to refine our go to market activities to better address the cloud operations market.

Speaker 2

Additionally, we have refreshed the sales organization and strengthened the leadership team. We believe strongly in the sizable opportunity created by our cloud operations portfolio, where we bring differentiated enterprise capabilities to cloud infrastructure management built on our long experience supporting a broad range of applications. Our differentiation in this space continues to receive 3rd party validation. Spark by NetApp was recognized as a leader and the only outperformer in Giga Ohms radar for cloud resource optimization. As I noted earlier, our cloud storage services continue to perform well.

Speaker 2

Azure NetApp Files remains the standout here, Cloud Volumeservice for GCP and FSx for NetApp ONTAP also had strong growth in ARR and customer additions, albeit of small basis. We continue to deliver significant innovation to help customers get the most from their cloud storage environments. AWS announced FSx for ONTAP support for single availability zones, lowering storage costs and improving performance, as well as its inclusion in the EC2 launch wizard, streamlining the selection of FSx for ONTAP as file storage for customers, creating a new compute instance. These new capabilities unlock new use cases, expanding the opportunity for FSx for ONTAP. Our cloud storage and data management services are complemented by a cloud operations Infrastructure Management and Optimization Functionality.

Speaker 2

Together these capabilities deliver an industry leading portfolio of multi cloud infrastructure services for stateful and stateless workloads. Now we're enabling customers to deploy applications quickly, easily and cost effectively on that multi cloud infrastructure for big data applications with Spark on Kubernetes, for Managed Desktops with Spot PC and for open source database, data pipeline and workflow applications with our most recent acquisition Instaclustr. Instaclustr delivers open source data and work Cloud volume storage optimization, Spot's compute optimization and cloud insights monitoring and troubleshooting to make it easier and faster for customers to build, deploy and operate cloud applications. This will enable us to deliver more value to cloud operations teams and capture more revenue from those same buyers by delivering new services as well as through the significant synergies with our cloud storage services. I am excited to welcome the Instaclustr team to the NetApp family.

Speaker 2

Overall, fiscal year 2022 was a good year for our cloud business. We doubled public cloud segment revenue from $199,000,000 in fiscal year 2021 to $396,000,000 in fiscal year 2022. We expanded our cloud partnerships and routes to market, introduced new organic innovations and we completed a number of acquisitions that position us well for the future. In the coming year, we will prioritize the integration of these services. To underscore our commitment here, We plan to slow the pace of acquisitions and reprioritize our use of cash in FY2023 to favor shareholder returns.

Speaker 2

Mike will provide the details in his commentary. I want to underscore that we remain convinced of the opportunity, the strength of our position and our ability to achieve $2,000,000,000 in ARR exiting fiscal year 'twenty six. Now turning to hybrid cloud. Demand for our hybrid cloud solutions remains high. Despite supply constraints that again impeded our ability to meet all customer demand, We grew product revenue 6% in the 4th quarter and 10% in fiscal year 2022.

Speaker 2

All flash array annualized revenue run rate grew 12% year over year to $3,200,000,000 Thanks to strong unit growth in FaaS hybrid arrays, all flash penetration remained flat at 31% of installed In Q4, we further enhanced our position in hybrid cloud with new innovations and recognition. We updated our object storage solution with security and compliance enhancements, Google Cloud Integration and faster performance for analytics workloads. We also announced the next generation of our collaboration with Cisco, FlexPod XCS for hybrid multi cloud deployments. Additionally, Business Intelligence Group recognize NetApp dot ai as a winner of its Artificial Intelligence Excellence Award. Looking forward, Our priorities are clear.

Speaker 2

We remain focused on capturing the substantial opportunity ahead as we scale our public cloud services, while continuing to drive growth in our hybrid cloud solutions. The long term thesis we presented at our Investor Day of delivering value through sustained growth remains intact. The strong fundamentals of our business, including our alignment to customer priorities, strong balance sheet and prudent operational management put NetApp in a position of strength. I want to underscore my confidence in our strategy, our execution and the value we bring to all our stakeholders. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mike.

Speaker 3

Thank you, George. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. As a reminder, I'll be referring to non GAAP numbers unless otherwise noted. As we look back on fiscal 2022, I am incredibly proud of the results the team delivered in an environment with such fluid and complex supply chain challenges. We delivered billings of $6,700,000,000 an increase of 13% year over year and grew revenue 10% to $6,300,000,000 Within our hybrid cloud segment, all flash revenue grew 20% And object storage revenue grew 49%.

Speaker 3

We finished fiscal 2022 with $505,000,000 in public cloud ARR With public cloud revenue growing 99% for the full year. We balance strong growth in our key strategic areas with another year of disciplined investment, delivering record operating margin of 23.7%, up more than 3 points from last year with an all time high EPS of $5.28 up 30% year over year. In Q4, despite supply constrained shipments, Elevated freight and logistical expense and component cost headwinds, we delivered solid revenue with both Gross margin and operating margin coming in above guidance. Strong execution yielded Q4 billings of $2,000,000,000 up 16% year over year. Revenue came in at $1,680,000,000 up 8% year over year, including a 2 point headwind from FX.

Speaker 3

Our solid Q4 results were driven by continued strong demand for our all flash and object storage solutions. Our cloud portfolio continues to positively impact the overall growth profile of NetApp, delivering 3.5 of the 8 points in revenue growth. Hybrid Cloud segment revenue of 1 point $5,000,000,000 $6,000,000,000 was up 5% year over year. Within hybrid cloud, we delivered product revenue growth for the 5th consecutive quarter and expect this momentum to continue into fiscal 2023. Product revenue of $894,000,000 increased 6% year over year.

Speaker 3

Software product revenue of $530,000,000 increased 10% year over year, driven by the ongoing mix shift towards our all flash portfolio. Total Q4 recurring support revenue of $590,000,000 increased 2% year over year, highlighting the health of our installed base. Public cloud ARR Exited Q4 at $505,000,000 up 68% year over year driven by strength in cloud storage led by Azure NetApp Files. Public cloud revenue recognized in the quarter was $120,000,000 up 82% year over year and 9% sequentially. We didn't end the year as expected for cloud ARR, but are confident that we remain well positioned to deliver on the long term public cloud opportunity.

Speaker 3

While it is not unusual for hyper growth assets to hit air pockets Along their journey, we are using this moment to learn and continue to improve the operational rigor across the CloudOp products. Towards this goal, we are laser focused on using fiscal 2023 to strengthen our field and customer success go to market motions, while integrating our cloud ops product portfolio. Recurring support and public cloud revenue of $710,000,000 was up 11 deferred revenue, an increase of 6% year over year. Q4 marks the 17th consecutive quarter of year over year deferred revenue growth, which is the best leading indicator for recurring revenue growth. Total gross margin was 66% and came in solidly ahead of our guidance, reflecting better than expected product margins.

Speaker 3

Total hybrid cloud gross margin was 65% in Q4. Within our hybrid cloud segment, product gross margin was 51% As the supply chain team did an amazing job of mitigating a portion of the component cost headwinds And our sales team was very focused on capturing our recent price increases. Our growing recurring support business continues to be very profitable with gross margin of 93%. Public cloud gross margin of 68% was again accretive to the overall corporate average. The sequential decline in public cloud gross margin was driven by lower than expected cloud revenue and Incremental CapEx investment for Azure NetApp Files, which is a healthy leading demand signal.

Speaker 3

We remain confident in our long term public cloud gross margin goal of 75% to 80% as we continue to drive scale in cloud storage and an increasing percentage of our public cloud business being built on software solutions. Q4 highlighted the strong leverage in our operating model with operating margin of 23% despite the ongoing supply chain headwinds. EPS of $1.42 was up 21% year over year and even excluding a one time tax benefit of $0.12 represents a new Q4 record for the company. Cash flow from operations was $411,000,000 and free cash flow was $343,000,000 The ongoing supply constraints resulted in shipments being pushed to the end of the quarter, leading to the highest ever accounts receivable balance of $1,200,000,000 exiting the year, an increase of $431,000,000 from Q3. As a result, we expect healthy cash Collections in the first half of fiscal twenty twenty three, which will be a tailwind to operating cash flow for the full year.

Speaker 3

During Q4, we repurchased $250,000,000 in stock and paid out $111,000,000 in cash dividends. In total, we returned $361,000,000 to shareholders, representing 105 percent of free cash flow. We closed Q4 with $4,100,000,000 in cash and short term investments. Now to guidance. In fiscal 2023, we are guiding revenues to grow 6% to 8% year over year, which includes a 2 percentage point headwind from FX.

Speaker 3

In fiscal 2023, we anticipate sustained demand for and continued share gain momentum in both our all flash and object storage solutions, which we expect to drive product revenue growth in the mid single digits. We will also continue to grow and invest in our public cloud business. We expect to exit fiscal 2023 with public cloud ARR of $780,000,000 to $820,000,000 which includes approximately $40,000,000 from our recently closed acquisition of Instaclustr. At the ARR midpoint, we expect our public cloud segment to drive 4 points of total company revenue growth in fiscal 2023. As George noted, we remain confident in our ability to deliver $2,000,000,000 in public cloud ARR exiting fiscal 2026.

Speaker 3

In fiscal 2023, we expect gross margin to range between 66% 67% as elevated component costs and logistical expenses from supply constraints continue to weigh on product margins. We expect first half product margins to be roughly consistent with Q4 levels. As we have previously disclosed, We believe these cost headwinds are temporary in nature and we believe that Q4 2022 is the trough for product margins. As you all know, the timing of getting completely through these supply chain challenges remains fluid, but we do expect cost improvements coupled with our recent price increases to be a modest tailwind to product margins as we head into the back half of fiscal 2023. We anticipate operating margin to range between 23% to 24% for the full year as we continue to invest in our growth initiatives while maintaining a disciplined approach to spending.

Speaker 3

Our commitment is to again Grow revenue faster than operating expenses in fiscal 2023. Moving down the P and L, We expect net interest expense to be approximately $30,000,000 and our effective tax rate to be in the range of 21% to 22%. Despite the considerable headwind to earnings as a result of the higher tax rate, we are committed to delivering $5.40 to $5.60 in fiscal 2023 EPS. We expect to generate greater Then $1,400,000,000 in operating cash flow in fiscal 2023 as we continue to drive incremental profitability in our hybrid cloud segment to fund the growth in our public cloud business. Free cash flow is expected to exceed $1,100,000,000 for the full year.

Speaker 3

Factored into the year over year free cash flow growth is a step up in CapEx to approximately 250 to $300,000,000 The higher CapEx forecast is being driven by 3 key items. 1, additional capacity deployments in Azure and GCP 2, higher cloud software capitalization And 3, growing pipeline for our Keystone offering. As we've discussed before, Additional capacity deployments within Azure and GCP are a healthy leading indicator for cloud storage demand. Generating over $1,100,000,000 in free cash flow will allow us to continue to deliver on our shareholder return commitments, while also investing in our key strategic areas. From a capital allocation perspective, we expect to hit pause on cloud ops acquisitions For the first half of fiscal twenty twenty three, as we focus on strengthening our field and customer success go to market motions, while integrating our cloud ops product portfolio.

Speaker 3

As a result, we plan to return 100% of fiscal 2023 free cash flow to investors through dividends and share repurchases. We expect our quarterly dividend to remain at $0.50 per share throughout fiscal 2023 with the remainder of free cash flow allocated to share repurchases. We plan to front end load these share repurchases with $500,000,000 coming in the first half of the year, which will reduce share count by 2% to 3% as we go through fiscal 2023. Now on to Q1 guidance. We expect Q1 net revenues to range between 1,475,000,000 and $1,625,000,000 which at the midpoint implies a 6% increase year over year.

Speaker 3

We expect consolidated gross margin to be approximately 67% and operating margin to be approximately 21%. We anticipate our tax rate to be between 21% 22% and we expect earnings per share for Q1 to range between dollars 1.05 $1.15 per share. Assumed in our Q1 guidance is net Interest expense of $10,000,000 to $15,000,000 and a share count of approximately 224,000,000 In closing, I want to thank the entire NetApp team for the outstanding dedication, focus and hustle in delivering strong fiscal 2022 results in a very fluid environment. We remain disciplined And committed to the long term thesis we shared with you as we continue to navigate the dynamic supply challenges to meet as much customer demand as possible. We are confident, enthusiastic and Incredibly focused on our long term strategic priorities and the tremendous growth opportunity we see over the next several years.

Speaker 3

I'll now hand the call back to Chris to open the call for Q and A. Chris?

Speaker 1

Thanks, Mike. Operator, let's begin the Q and A.

Operator

Thank You may then return to the queue. Our first question will come from Jim Suva with Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Based upon the results And your competitors who've also reported, it looks like NetApp has been gaining significant share, which is great. Is there anything in there that we should think about that would cause us to kind of pause or downshift that like any big recent design ins or acceptances? Or on the other hand, with your sales force now fully ramped and the additional CapEx and things that Mike laid out, Is there actually the potential you're looking at actually upselling or upshifting it to even a higher share gain in the future quarters? Thank you.

Speaker 2

I think if you look at the dynamics of this past year, demand was strong and consistent throughout. We were gated by supply, particularly in the back half of the year. That certainly was true even in Q4. We feel very good about our competitive position as we outlined at our Financial Analyst Day and we continue to see Cloud storage has been a really strong addition to the portfolio. The number of net new to NetApp Customers, meaning those that do not have our storage on premises, that bought cloud storage continues to be strong.

Speaker 2

So we get to cross sell Additional on premises workloads in the future. And I think with regard to the performance of our Flash portfolio throughout the year And the growth of Object, the 2nd growth engine in our on premises portfolio, we feel really good. So thank you for the question, Jim.

Speaker 4

Thank you and congratulations.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Amit Darianni with Evercore. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thanks a lot for taking my question. I guess, George, I was hoping you could talk a little bit about some of the headwinds that you saw on the Cloud services side that impacted the ARR number this quarter. I know you talked about 3 issues. Maybe you can just elaborate on kind of What these things were and really the important part would be to understand your ability and conviction to resolve these and the timeline to resolve these. And my follow-up just related to the same question around is, when I think about the 60% growth rate you're implying on the cloud services for fiscal 2023.

Speaker 5

Is there some linearity that I should be thinking about maybe the back half of travel versus the first half? That would be

Speaker 6

helpful as well. Thank you.

Speaker 2

I'll have Mike thanks for the question Amit. I'll have Mike just start walking you through the specifics. I'll talk about the remedies and then we'll come back to guidance.

Speaker 3

Perfect. Thank you, George. Amit, thanks for the question. So, hey, when we talk to you folks in February and we were looking at Q4, We had raised our expectations on the strength in Q3. We had expected Q4 to be largely consistent with what we saw in Q1, 2 and 3.

Speaker 3

And we expected to see some continued growth in spot and cloud insights. We did know that there were some significant renewals In Cloud Insights, so as we went through the quarter, especially as we got into April, we saw increased churn in Cloud Insights. As you know, A good bit of the sales there are helping our customers move from their OCI, their on prem solution to the cloud solution And some of them are still trying to find their way there. Spot, we saw lower expansion as you know. We have Seen in the 1st three quarters a good bit of expansion in that business as they've deployed more into the cloud and that didn't come through as expected.

Speaker 3

And then we did see higher sales and customer success turnover, especially in the spot group. So that's what happened in CloudOps. I'll now turn it back to George and I'll come back on your question on seasonality.

Speaker 2

I think with regard to The remedies and the overall portfolio, listen, we feel good about the customer adds across the portfolio. Cloud storage was a strong number. With regard to specifically How we're addressing the cloud ops portfolio, we have refreshed the sales team. So a lot of the churn in the sales organization is Behind us, we do have a newer set of members, so it will take time to wrap them. We have brought on a new experienced leader for our Smart portfolio, who led enterprise sales at Splunk.

Speaker 2

We have brought on, as you might have seen, a new Senior Vice President for Customer Success, who was a senior executive at Informatica and a leader for our renewals and customer success motion in the field, who was the leader of that renewals and sales at Palo Alto. So much stronger team at the top With the focused mission around our cloud ops portfolio and driving renewals and customer success, A couple of other things that we've learned, right, we've learned that we need to integrate these acquisitions more quickly, particularly on the go to market side and we are taking that lesson learned and applying that to our Instacustr acquisition as well as the work that we're doing to integrate the product portfolio more quickly so that it's easier for customers to buy. Now I'll have it back to Mike to talk about how that impacts guidance for next year.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jordan. So Amit, on the numbers, I just want to walk that So we ended the year total ARR at $505,000,000 The midpoint of guidance is $800,000,000 That does include $40,000,000 from Instaclustr, so let's do the organic business first, $505,000,000 to $760,000,000 at the midpoint, which implies about a 50% growth during the year and then you add the $40,000,000 exiting the year from Insta cluster that gets you to the 800. Hey, as we go through the year, we feel really good about several drivers of growth that we should start to see accelerate as we go through fiscal 2023. Number 1, we have added a good bit of sales capacity. You see it in the OpEx numbers not only in 2022, but we will in the first half of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3

We are excited about the ramp of FSX for on FXS ONTAP as well as GCP As we go through the year and have those become more meaningful contributors, as I talked about in my prepared remarks, we continue to invest a lot In the capacity for A and F specifically and then a smaller piece is just as we resolve some of the Items we talked about with cloud ops, we think that that will help the second half. So you should expect to see acceleration as we go through the year into the second half, And we feel really good about the $760,000,000 number.

Speaker 5

Perfect. Thank you very much for all the clarity.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Samik Chatterjee with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I guess, George, in relation to your public cloud, sort of the air pocket that you're seeing, it does look like you're implying that most of the Headwinds have stemmed from a go to market sort of execution. Just wanted to sort of maybe ask for a bit more color there of what gives Just a go to market approach, you have to set the decision to stop acquisitions. What gives you the clarity at this point?

Speaker 7

There's not a Sort of additional services that you need to add to round out the portfolio, sort of what's giving you that clarity just to go to market execution at this point? And I have a quick follow-up for Mike. Thank you.

Speaker 2

We saw strong adoption of our services. I think as we mentioned in prepared remarks, a strong number of customer additions. I think the places where we can do a better job is really customer success and cross sell and up sell, which is work that's in front of us. I think that's also requires some integration work in the product portfolio to make it easier for the sales organization To do that cross sell and up sell, some of that integration work is completed, others is in process and you will see us integrating Instaclustr quickly into the NetApp portfolio so that it can take advantage of all of our differentiated infrastructure services, storage, spot, Cloud insights so that they can we can hit the ground running pretty quickly with all of that differentiated platform behind them. So I would say within the quarter, It was mostly go to market execution.

Speaker 2

I think to aid the go to market team, we also have work to do on the product side, which we're accelerating I'm trying to accelerate the integration of Instaclustr into NetApp.

Speaker 7

Got it. And Mike, just a quick follow-up on gross margin Sort of trajectory through the year, is the improvement that you're implying sort of as you get into the back half, is that Just more a function of the public cloud margins improving as you scale those revenues? Or are you expecting a similar improvement in hybrid cloud? And how much of that has to To with sort of pricing actions coming more materially through the P and L?

Speaker 3

Yes. Thanks for the question, Samek. So it's both of those. And let's take hybrid clouds first. So we do expect the margins, the product margins in hybrid cloud in the first half to be relatively consistent with Q4.

Speaker 3

We did say, hey, we thought Q4 was a trough. We still feel that way as we go through the year. And then seeing some expansion in the back half driven by both The pricing actions that we took as well as all the work that's going on around supply chain. So both of those go into that number. And then from a public cloud perspective, there's several drivers of that increased gross margin that we've talked about.

Speaker 3

A, scaling that business As ANS scales and utilizes those assets better, more software and growth in that business. So it's both of those that will add to the margin And that breaks that apart. You'll also see when you go through the numbers, the cloud gross margins are

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Rod Hall with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi, thanks for taking my question. This is Bala, Erdi on for Rod. I want to start with price increases. So it looks like they're starting to kick in. And from memory, I remember the price increases Magnitude is to the tune of high single digits or maybe 10% or in that range.

Speaker 6

Given this price increase, I'm wondering Why wouldn't product revenues grow more than mid single digit in fiscal 2023? Maybe there is an element of Cautiousness in that guide given the current macro uncertainty. I just thought you would help us understand a little bit better. Nick, I follow-up.

Speaker 2

First of all, customers buy in dollars. And Whether we raise prices or not, their budgets are determined in dollars. And so if we raise prices, they'll buy fewer systems for the same dollars, right? I think that's the first. I think the second is, listen, we feel good about really good about the work that our supply chain team has So I've been doing all year.

Speaker 2

We've had 2 successive quarters where we've been gated by supply rather than demand. We see a steady demand picture Next year, this coming year, and we're just being realistic about how fast the supply chain constraints ease. So Buying in dollars and supply chain continuing to be work in progress for us through the course of the year.

Speaker 6

That helps, Ajay. And just to make sure I get it right, so you're not really baking in any macro Slow down or anything at the back half of the year or is it just more of a function of supply chain shortages?

Speaker 2

At the moment, we see demand to be steady and we are gated by supply. And so yes, we understand the Economic environment is uncertain. We're managing what we can control. Our demand outlook has so far been really solid and we're gated by supply.

Speaker 6

That's helpful. And a quick follow-up, if I may. Looking at Americas commercial mix, revenue mix in the quarter, Looks like it's only flat quarter on quarter, whereas it's typically up in Q4. And on the other hand, Asia Pacific has done really well in the quarter. I'm just wondering, are you seeing any kind of divergence or more of a function of Allocating supply to different places.

Speaker 3

Yes. Hey, Bala, it's Mike. So it's really the supply chain gating That revenue generation and it varies by geo in terms of the product. So no significant changes from a geo perspective. So what you see there is really supply chain gaining that revenue.

Speaker 6

Got it. Thanks so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Meta Marshall with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks. You guys noted some success in hiring new sales reps during the quarter. Just wanted to get a sense of whether that was more backfilling or whether you've had some success on some of the hiring for the higher level solution sales like Sales execs that can help with the cross sell and up sell. And then maybe just kind of on the second point around The replacing some of the sales execs that have left, just what do you see as the ramping timeline for some of the new hires to productivity?

Speaker 8

Thanks.

Speaker 2

I think the majority of our investment is focused on new sales reps with cloud backgrounds. We call them cloud sales specialists. So the types of execs, Meta, that you mentioned that know how to sell some of our applications portfolio and cloud apps portfolio, So that's the majority. We also have had to replay some attrition in our frontline sales teams as well And we continue to manage through that as it's a normal sort of course of business, right? I think the specific areas that We saw higher than anticipated attrition were really in our cloud ops portfolio and I think we've done a good job Sort of refreshing the team and also bringing on the new leadership team.

Speaker 2

I think when you look at The ramp time, it takes a few quarters and that's why I think there's already been activity underway. We see that there will be some improvements through the first half And then certainly the second half of the year, we should see the team being fully productive. In addition, given the ramp of our cloud business and the We are continuing to invest in additional capacity, for example, in cloud storage and other areas. We will, of course, In line with our disciplined operating management philosophy, we don't see the growth tap on the brakes, but right now we feel that's a good investment to make.

Speaker 8

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Nick Todorov with Longbow Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Yes, thanks and congrats on strong results, particularly given supply chain headwinds. George, a question maybe, How have I'm just curious how have the conversations been over the last, especially couple of weeks when you talk with customers regarding their IT budgets in this environment? I think clearly there's a lot of headwinds that you talked in macro and supply chain and inflation. But there's been some recent third party surveys showing that budgets for IT are actually ticking up and not down and even if inflation pressure kind of persists. So just curious what is the feedback You're getting from CIOs and CFOs on those discussions around the IT budgets?

Speaker 9

Thanks.

Speaker 2

I think IT is continuing to be seen, as we've said, a or for the transformation of the business. And so there are the strategic projects around customer transformation, business process automation, a variety of those projects, better analytics continue to move forward. AIML projects, for example, continue to be had a strong year and continue to see a strong outlook for that part of our business. So, so far, as we've said, The demand picture has been steady and we recognize that there is increased uncertainty, but I think so far the Demand picture for IT spending within our customer base has remained steady.

Speaker 9

Okay, great. And if I can follow-up, Mike, On the price increases, I just want to understand, do you envision incremental price increases, especially if you see further cost pressures Through the year, are you thinking that you've kind of front loaded the price increases and you just need to realize those as the year progresses?

Speaker 3

Yes. So thanks, Nick. My answer to that would be we are intently focused on realizing the ones that we put in place. We're still working through those. So at this point, that's our focus.

Speaker 3

We'll see what the rest of the year holds. Never say never, but our focus right now, Nick, Is realizing those other 2 price increases.

Speaker 9

Got it. Thanks guys. Good luck.

Operator

Thank you. Our next Question will come from Sidney Ho with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Thanks for taking my question. In terms of your billings, obviously very strong billings of over $2,000,000,000 for the quarter. It's always strong in the second half of the fiscal year and that's also the case this past year. Are there any trends within the billings that you would highlight that suggest maybe customers are putting in orders longer than they did historically because of Maybe some concerns of supply constraints, maybe just ask differently, how do you monitor the health of these billings? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Hey, Sydney, it's Mike. So great question. So thank you. So in Q4, we saw billings growth of 16%. As you know, billings is revenue plus change in deferred largely on a quarterly basis when you see billings and revenue Come in differently, it's going to be driven by the timing of support, not only on point of sale, but also renewals and that's exactly what happened in Q4.

Speaker 3

Keep in mind that a lot of our initial transactions will come with 3 years of maintenance. So you will get some variability on when those renew. So if you bifurcate the 16%, about 12% of that growth came through support renewals and thankfully a lot of that was in software So that bodes well for all of us. And that was really based on the timing of some renewals, not only initial sales, but also renewals. So we watch that very carefully.

Speaker 3

We watch duration. And when you look at deferred revenue, you see some of that did go into long term. So we did see some longer Term renewals typically related to initial sales, but we've seen that short term and long term deferred revenue percentage stay remarkably consistent. So that will jump around a little bit by quarter, nothing to be concerned about on this. It was a great quarter of billings and the nice part is that will translate into cash flow next year.

Speaker 3

So hopefully that helps.

Speaker 10

Yes. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Tim Long with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Thank you. Yes, maybe 2 if I could. First, on the all flash array front, Still pretty good growth, but you mentioned the installed base is still not moving that much. So could you talk a little bit about What do you think NetApp can do to further get that installed base over to all flash given the better economics all around for you? And then 2nd, if I could just go back to the cloud ARR business.

Speaker 11

Could you talk a little bit about kind of better conversion of your installed base On prem and what you're seeing from the other large on prem players and if they're trying to enter into this piece of the market as well? Thank you.

Speaker 2

First of all, the installed base That we are penetrating is a very, very large installed base. And there are several factors that they consider as they Look at new purchases, right, IT budgets, a mix of different system types. We did see a higher mix of our hybrid flash portfolio where we have the only modern operating system that Support hybrid flash technology. In prior circumstances, when there was some uncertainty about budgets or economics, They would shift towards more of a value oriented system like a hybrid flash. So whether that's true or not, it's one data point, but we did see very strong Hybrid flash unit shipments this quarter, which is why the total penetration into our installed base was relatively flat.

Speaker 2

We continue to do the work to qualify more applications, more new workloads and drive our field to go after New logos as well as drive our installed base conversion. There are incentives in place to sell new systems at a higher rate And renewals or refreshes and those have been put in place for this year. And so I'm hopeful that that will drive more conversion. With regard to cloud ARR, I think some main questions are, listen, we feel good about the acquisition of net new customers into our Cloud portfolio. I think when we started the cloud journey, there was a concern that cloud growth would literally be offset by on prem decline.

Speaker 2

We're not seeing that, and it's reflective of the strength of our portfolio on both fronts. And so yes, could we do more to convert Our installed base to cloud, we have got incentives in place this year where the sales reps cannot make their number Without selling cloud as a part of their overall kind of quota and so there are discrete quotas set up for cloud. They have got to complete selling that to be able to accomplish their total compensation objectives. And so we've got work underway. We're doing enablement, but I do feel good about the fact That we are able to acquire a lot of net new customers.

Speaker 2

Those are our competitors' customers after all with our cloud storage portfolio.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from David Vogt with UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Great. Thanks for taking my questions, guys. Just a quick question on the acquisition strategy. So before you decided to hit pause, Can you kind of discuss how the pipeline was shaping up and how sort of the opportunities might have looked for that particular Strategy given the repricing that we've seen in both the public and the private markets. And when you think about the opportunity cost of pursuing Not pursuing transactions, how do we think that affects the ramp of the longer term target in that sector or in that segment, I should say?

Speaker 10

And then I have a quick follow-up.

Speaker 2

Listen, I think we've had a disciplined acquisition strategy, right? We started with cloud storage. We enabled cloud storage to become multi cloud across all the hyperscalers with both NetApp managed and native cloud services. We then added monitoring, which is cloud insights, organically taking one of our enterprise products and making it cloud Ready and made that a multi cloud monitoring service so that customers could understand the performance of their applications. Then we brought in Spot, which gave us the complement for compute that we had with storage, right, our organic storage.

Speaker 2

So now we've got A multi cloud infrastructure services portfolio that's truly unique in the market and we're adding applications deliberately, right? So we're not Trying to be in every application, we've got specific applications that leverage the full portfolio of our infrastructure services. Spot PC for virtual desktops uses cloud volumes and Spot's computer optimization technology. We've got Spark for Kubernetes, which uses the Spark Ocean technology as part of its underlying infrastructure capability and then most recently Instaclustr. I feel really good about the portfolio.

Speaker 2

Listen, we want to integrate these acquisitions So that they get off to a fast start. And I think we feel really good about our portfolio. If you look at the numbers that we're guiding to, I think if we hit we finish FY 2023 strong, we're in great shape to accomplish our $2,000,000,000 target. And we're just focused on let's get these right in the first half of the year and then we'll take a look at the market.

Speaker 10

Great. Thanks, George. And then Mike, maybe a follow-up for you on public cloud gross margin. What scale maybe can you give us a sense of scale that you need to get to get Your longer term targets, because even if I look before this quarter, sort of the incremental gross margins have been running in the low 70s as you invest in the business and obviously there's some cost Or maybe it's helpful if you can give us sort of an order of magnitude of what that delta might look like from a margin perspective, so we could see the roadmap to that 75 plus percent public cloud gross margin that you sort of targeted out there? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes. Hey, thanks, David. So I would answer that by saying, hey, by the time we get to $1,000,000,000 in ARR, and I'm going to break it up for you a little bit. We would certainly expect to see us getting very close to at least bottom of that range and there's 2 major drivers to that brand. In CloudOps, the majority of those products are software cloud based.

Speaker 3

As those continue to grow, they are accretive to not only cloud, but certainly the total company. And the other big driver here is in cloud storage. We are continuing to invest a good bit for all the right reasons to drive growth in A and F and GCP. As we've talked about, When it comes after a couple of years, as we start to modulate that CapEx investment, those are being depreciated over 3 years. That Appreciation is going to start the cap out.

Speaker 3

It's going to have a significant positive impact to gross margins because now we're going to benefit from utilizing those assets longer Then their accounting life because their useful life is quite a bit longer. So of all the stuff we've talked about, I feel really good about getting to 75 at least at the bottom end Because of all those items and to your earlier question, acquisitions will focus around those software and cloud assets as well. So all of those things added together, make me feel really good about that range.

Speaker 10

Great. That's helpful.

Speaker 2

Yes. Hey, if I were to just add one more. FSx is a software only solution. So as that ramps, that's also accretive. Great point.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 10

Yes. Another clarification is very helpful. Thanks guys.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Simon Leopold with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Thank you very much for taking the question. First, I just wanted to see if maybe we can clarify what happened to gross margin In terms of deployed footprint ahead of revenue, given that you're not facing the same kind of input cost issues, That's just clarification. And then in terms of my longer term question, I'd like to see what you're hearing in terms of the demand side That's influencing your forecast for the public cloud services revenue outlook. I heard a lot about the execution in the internal aspects, But I want to get a better understanding of the demand side of that equation. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Sure. So, hey Simon, it's Mike. I'll do the gross margin first. So A couple of things. It did dip down a little bit from, I believe, 71 to 68.

Speaker 3

There were 2 major drivers of that. Number 1 is A little bit lower revenue. Obviously, there is some fixed costs in there. The other part is we've continued to invest In the capacity specifically for A and F, even though we are largely for our CapEx number for fiscal 2022 right about where we guided, There was a mix shift. Candidly, we spent less in facilities because I'm going to bring up supply chain again.

Speaker 3

We had a little issues there. That got pushed in 'twenty three. And for all the good reasons, we actually deployed more capacity for ANF. Now that depreciation hits right away and then ARR builds. So that those were the 2 major drivers.

Speaker 3

As we go through fiscal 2023, our goal is to get back to that 70%. Instaclustr will come in at call it mid-60s margin and we expect that to fully get to about 70 exiting the year. And then as we continue to build ARR and leverage the existing footprint, that's why we feel good about getting back to 70 by the end of the year. So those are the margin puts and takes.

Speaker 2

On demand, we feel good. Listen, we had strong customer adds across the portfolio in the quarter. We continue to see Good dollar based net retention rates of 159%. So we feel good and we're really focused on going and capturing the demand. Cloud continues to be a place where we see customers prioritizing investment.

Speaker 10

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Wamsi Mohan with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Yes, thank you. On gross margins, you thought that 4Q would be the bottom in gross margins. I think You're saying that again today, but you're also saying first half will be roughly at the same level for this in the next quarter. Is that the trajectory you had expected last quarter or did things change that is causing you to bump along the trough margins for a longer Taym, especially given that fiscal 2Q, you typically have a much richer mix from federal that should be helping your gross margins tick up higher? I have a follow-up.

Speaker 2

Listen, I think what we've said is the first half of this coming year will be Relatively similar to what we had in Q4, which is substantially better than what we realized a substantially better outcome than what We feared going into the quarter. I think what we said is second half of the year is a modest tailwind to the first half of the year. We see improvements in the supply chain through the course of the year. I think COVID related freight should get better. I think the amount of open market purchases should hopefully get better over time.

Speaker 2

I think we're being a little bit cautious about where we are in the course of the year, but Overall, I think that's the picture.

Speaker 12

Okay. Thanks, George. And just as a clarification, I know you made several comments around PCS tracking a bit weaker than expected, but as you're mapping this onto longer term targets, can you give your thoughts around Hitting pause on cloud ops M and A, which is a big part of the overall long term guide. I mean, it's a substantial part of How you were originally getting to your long term guide, especially in light of the fact that valuations seem to have come down, you just did in Just wondering if hitting the pause is more some cautiousness about the rate and pace of trajectory or is it about the speed of integrating some of these assets that you have acquired, Especially given the valuation compression that we've seen in the market. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Listen, we don't expect the valuation compression to go away, right? I think we see that at the start of the journey. And so we see plenty of opportunity ahead to do inorganic pools. I think the focus we're trying to bring is, 1st of all, in our outlook, we feel really good about the outlook. We wouldn't guide the year to a strong number if we didn't feel that way.

Speaker 2

We see continued strength in organic innovation, for example, Cloud storage and cloud insights, we've done a substantial number of acquisitions in cloud ops and we're going to take a little bit of time To integrate them on the product side and integrate them on the go to market. I think it's just it's prudent, it's disciplined and we'll be We feel very, very good about our portfolio, not just in cloud storage, but in cloud ops as well.

Speaker 12

Okay. Thanks, George.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Aaron Rakers with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Speaker 13

Yes. Thanks Thanks for taking the question. I'll try and slip in 2 real quick if I can. I guess the first one is, one of your competitors tonight talked about Actually some customers pulling forward demand from the back half of the year into the first half of the year. There's been a lot of discussion around the backlog.

Speaker 13

And so I'm curious, number 1, have you seen any of that? And how would you characterize the duration of kind of the backlog you're seeing and how maybe that's changed over the last It'd be now 2 or 3 quarters.

Speaker 2

We haven't seen any evidence of pull forwards or phantom demand. I think We'll take some of our order and we'll wait for others. So I think we've got a pretty balanced book of business. As we said, We've had supply gate demand for 2 successive quarters. Q3 and Q4 very clearly saw the same pattern And backlog is elevated.

Speaker 2

Yes. And just as a

Speaker 13

quick follow-up, a simple question. How would you characterize the competitive landscape? I know Dell EMC saw growth for the first time in a while this last quarter. How would you characterize what you're seeing competitively in the market?

Speaker 2

I think it's pretty much the same, Pure and NetApp taking share from Dell and HP And several other players. So I would characterize it as no fundamental change to be honest. Thank you.

Speaker 9

Perfect. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from Nehal Chokshi with Northland Capital. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Yes, thanks. I realize you guys are not economists here, but what do you think is the probability of IT CapEx down cycle given tightening financial conditions. And then what are your thoughts on NetApp share gain structurally being stunted or helped by a potential IT CapEx down cycle as well.

Speaker 2

Listen, I'll just say I'm not an economist, right? We are in discussions with our customers. I would say in every IT portfolio, there's probably projects that are strategic that will continue to be invested in Regardless of supply chain constraints or economic environment or whatever it is, right? So I think those projects we see continuing, And we're going to be a part of those as much as we can. I think with regard to our competitive environment, listen, we are part Several megatrends that those will continue, right?

Speaker 2

Cloud, data management, analytics, high performance computing environments. So long as we continue to innovate and stay focused, I think we've got a good opportunity ahead.

Speaker 10

So just to be clear, you expect your share gains trajectory to be helped or stunted by a potential IT CapEx down cycle?

Speaker 2

I think if there's an IT CapEx down cycle, what we generally see is within the IT spending envelope, Transformational projects that are critical to business need will get prioritized. And so long as we are part of those projects, it's a share gain opportunity. Great. Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. And today's final question will come from Jason Ader with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Speaker 14

Great. Thank you. I guess, George, just to wrap up, what lessons has NetApp learned From these last couple of years where you've been kind of on an acquisition binge in this cloud services space, as you kind of reflect on what you could have done better and what you need to do better. Maybe just kind of summarize your thoughts there for us.

Speaker 2

Listen, I feel like we've accomplished a lot, right? I think no one believed us when we said our cloud storage would be a native service In all of the 3 major hyperscale cloud providers and we've delivered on that. We said we would cross $500,000,000 in cloud ARR and we've delivered on that. We said cloud gross margins would be at or better than company average gross margins. We've delivered on that.

Speaker 2

We said cloud Would be a way for us to acquire a whole lot of net new customers. We've delivered on that. And over the course of the last 2 years, we've balanced organic innovation and there's been a substantial amount with complementary deliberate acquisitions that allow us to serve a full customer's need, right, around an application portfolio. I think where we could do better is Learn from the mistakes we made around integration. And we're going to everybody learns from that and we're going to own that and we're going Do the work that's needed to integrate those acquisitions better in the first half of this year.

Speaker 2

But I don't think any of that diminishes from the opportunity in front of us or the place that we are. We're in a strong position and we're going to capitalize on it with disciplined execution.

Speaker 14

Very good. Good luck. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Before we close, we delivered a solid Q4 rounding out a strong FY 2022 with record levels of gross margin dollars, operating income and earnings per share. Looking forward, we remain focused on capturing the substantial opportunity ahead as we scale our public cloud services, while continuing to drive growth in our hybrid cloud solutions. I want to underscore my confidence in the long term thesis We presented at our Investor Day of delivering value through sustained growth. Our alignment to customer priorities, strong balance sheet and prudent operational management put NetApp in a position of strength.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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