Equity LifeStyle Properties Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 17, 2023

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Day, everyone, and thank you all for joining us to discuss Equity Lifestyle Properties' 3rd Quarter 2023 Results. Our featured speakers today are Margaret Nader, our President and CEO Paul Seavey, our Executive Vice President and CFO and Patrick Waite, our Executive Vice President and COO. In advance of today's call, management released earnings. Today's call will consist of opening remarks and a question and answer session with management relating to the company's earnings release. For those who would like to participate in the question and answer session, management asks that you limit yourself to 2 questions, so everyone who would like to participate have ample opportunity.

Operator

As a reminder, this call is being recorded. Certain matters discussed during this conference call may contain forward looking statements in the meanings of the federal securities laws. Our forward looking statements are subject to certain economic risk uncertainty. The company assumes no obligation to update or supplement any statements that become untrue because of subsequent events. In addition, during today's call, we will discuss non GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G.

Operator

Reconciliation of these non GAAP financial measures to the comparable GAAP financial measures are included in our earnings release, our supplemental information and our historical SEC filings. At this time, I would now like to turn the call over to Margaret Nader, our President and CEO.

Speaker 1

Good morning and thank you for joining us today. I am pleased to report the results for the Q3 of 2023. The quality of our revenue streams and the strength of our balance sheet continue to allow us to report impressive results. Our MH portfolio is approximately 95% occupied. We have had continued success in the quarter selling new homes.

Speaker 1

Year to date, 51% of our new home sales have been in Florida communities and 13% in Arizona. Year to date, the mark to market increase for rent in new home for rent increase for new homeowners has been approximately 13%. Our team has done an exceptional job of selling available inventory and we are currently at near record low levels of rental homes in our portfolio. Our communities continue to offer an affordable option to purchase a home amid a single family housing market with limited availability and high price points. Today's national headlines highlight that homebuyers are grappling with housing affordability driven by a lack of affordable homes and rising mortgage rates.

Speaker 1

These broader national housing trends have enhanced the appeal of our communities for prospective homeowners. 2 thirds of our RV and Marina income is generated from our annual customers. Core annual RV and Marina revenue increased 8% compared to the Q3 of last year. Core seasonal and transient revenue for the quarter was impacted by an increase in annual site usage, reducing site availability and weather related property disruptions. Our social media strategy leverages engaging content, targeted advertising and partnerships to expand our reach and boost customer engagement with our RV members, guests and prospects.

Speaker 1

This summer was the 9th year of our 100 days of marketing campaign, which celebrates the time between Memorial Day and Labor Day. The campaign recorded 32,000,000 impressions, the highest we have ever experienced across social media platforms including TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. Turning to 2024, we anticipate continued demand into next year. Within our MH portfolio, we anticipate sending 24 rent increase notices to approximately 50% of our MH residents. These rent increase notices have an average growth rate of 5.4%.

Speaker 1

For our RV portfolio, we have set annual rates for 95% of our annual sites. The RV annual rate increases have an average growth rate of 7%. Our snowbird residents and guests are anxious to head back to Florida and Arizona for the season. Our teams are prepared for their arrival and will continue to focus on providing outstanding customer service. I would like to thank our team members for all their efforts this year to support our residents and guests.

Speaker 1

I will now turn the call over to Patrick to provide further details on our portfolio operations.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Marguerite. As we wind down our summer season and move into our winter sunbelt season, I wanted to provide some additional color on the drivers of the 80% Our $1,300,000,000 of total revenue that comes from annual residents and guests in our MH, RV and Marina properties. Consistently through the years, the MH portfolio has been the key driver of our business with a trend of high quality occupancy achieved by increasing homeowners. Today, nearly 97% of our occupancy is long term homeowners who are typically with us 10 years or more. I'll do a summary around the horn on those markets collectively representing 70% of our MH portfolio.

Speaker 2

First, Florida occupancy is 95%. Florida is the leading state for net in migration And we see demand most directly in our East submarkets like Tampa, St. Pete and Clearwater and West submarkets like Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach, which are consistent with historical trends. Demand in East Florida comes in the Northeast U. S, New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts, which are among some of the top states leading on migration.

Speaker 2

While demand in West Florida comes from the Midwest, states like Illinois and Minnesota, which are also leading on migration. Given this demand, we have an opportunity to continue to grow MH occupancy, including through our development program. We developed more than 7.50 sites in Florida And have more than 1,000 MH sites in the expansion pipeline. Over the last 3 years, we have sold more than 1400 new homes in Florida, Indicating consistent demand. Our next largest markets are California and Arizona.

Speaker 2

Those portfolios are 97% occupied And we have opportunities to convert rental homes to homeowners, marginally increase run rate occupancy, as well as grow through expansions. Portfolio wide for MH, over the last 3 years, we've sold 2,600 new homes, enhancing quality of occupancy by meeting important demand from homebuyers. Moving on to RV and Marina businesses. Over the last 20 years, We added RV and marinas to our portfolio with a focus on long term annual revenue streams that pay similarly to the MH portfolio. Our RV properties are predominantly located in Sunbelt locations and our marinas are mostly coastal Florida and coastal Carolinas.

Speaker 2

Coming out of the summer season, we continue to see consistent demand from RVers, especially our core annual guests. As noted in the press release, our 2024 rate guidance for RV annuals is 7%. For perspective, Average annual RV rate is approximately $500 a month. So the 7% increase translates to $35 a month are relatively reasonable amount for long term annual customers valuing their leisure options. For the Marina portfolio, We have continued to maintain occupancy of 90% and both launches have been consistent year over year, evidencing consistent demand from our long term arena customers.

Speaker 2

Those are the highlights on the drivers of the property operating results, with some market and property detail on our annual MH, RV and Marina revenues. Together, they represent more than 80% of our portfolio revenue, as well as the highest quality durable revenue streams at ELS. I'll now turn it over to Paul to walk through the results in detail.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Patrick, and good morning, everyone. I'll provide a summary of our results for the Q3 and September year to date periods, provide some information about the assumptions included in our updated guidance model for the full year 2023 and close with some comments on our balance sheet and debt market conditions. In our earnings release, we reported 3rd quarter and year to date normalized FFO per share of 0 point 7 $2.12 respectively. Core MH rent increased 6.8% in the 3rd quarter and 6.7% year to date compared to the same periods last year. Rent growth in the Q3 includes approximately 7.1% rate growth as a result of our rent increases to in place residents and our 13% mark to market on turnover when a new resident moves in.

Speaker 3

Core RV and Marina annual base rent increased 8% in the 3rd quarter an 8.1% year to date compared to prior year. Annual RV and Marina rent increases generated approximately 7.4% growth the year to date period with occupancy contributing close to 70 basis points of growth. Rent from seasonal and transient customers on Combined basis in the core portfolio represents approximately 10% of our core revenue. Core seasonal and transient rent combined decreased approximately 4.8% in the year to date period compared to prior year. Core seasonal rent increased 5.5 percent year to date, offsetting some of the transient decline we've experienced as a result of challenging weather patterns and site usage increasing for longer term stays.

Speaker 3

Membership dues revenue increased 4% in the year to date period. During the quarter, we sold approximately 6,100,000 Trails Camping Pass Membership upgrade sales volume in the Q3 was slightly lower than last year, while the average sale price increased approximately 12%. Total core utility and other income increased 7.9% in the year to date period. Utility income increased 10% during the same period, somewhat offsetting a 7% increase in utility expense. Year to date, our utility recovery rate is approximately 45 percent compared to 43.5 percent in the 1st 9 months of last year.

Speaker 3

Other income includes $2,200,000 of revenue associated with sites leased to provide housing for displaced residents in Fort Myers, Florida during the year to date period. Core property operating expenses were in line with expectations during the Q3. Our 2 largest expense line items, utility and payroll, were favorable to our forecast for the Q3 and increased 1.2% over prior year on a combined basis. Utility expense favorability was mainly the result of relatively cool and wet conditions across the Midwest and Northeast in August September. The 30 day mean temperatures for those months in those areas were at or below the long term average.

Speaker 3

In addition, many areas of the Northeast experience Record levels of rainfall. Payroll expense in the Q3 was 1.7% lower than the same period in 2022. Our property operations team remains focused on rationalizing staffing to meet customer demand. Repairs and maintenance expense was elevated in the quarter relative to our expectations. We incurred expense related to local storm events across the portfolio, primarily tree removal, debris cleanup and cost to operate on-site utility systems during periods of heavy rainfall.

Speaker 3

Our year to date core property operating revenue growth of 5.4% and core property operating expense growth of 6.5% contributed to an increase in core NOI before property management of 4.5%. As I switch topics to discuss guidance for the remainder of 2023, I'd like to highlight some initiatives that illustrate our well established approach to managing our business, which involves continually challenging the status quo and promoting innovation. Over the years, we've implemented process improvements focused on automation and reporting enhancements that include Historical weather data, employee staffing trends and publicly available market driven housing data. These and many other innovations enable the day to day decision making that generates impressive results quarter after quarter as we continue to focus on our strategic objectives. The press release provides an overview of 4th quarter and full year 2023 earnings guidance.

Speaker 3

Our long standing practice has been to Quarterly guidance with a range of $0.06 per share from high to low end of the range. As a result, each year when we report full year guidance at this time, With only 1 quarter remaining in the year, we report full year guidance with a similar $0.06 per share guidance range. As I provide some context for the information we've provided, keep in mind my remarks are intended to provide our current estimate of future results. All growth rates and revenue and expense projections represent midpoints in our guidance range and are qualified by the risk factors included in our press release and supplemental financial information. Our 4th quarter guidance assumption for shorter term stays in our RV communities was developed based on current customer reservation trends.

Speaker 3

We provide no assurance that our actual results will be consistent with our guidance And we assume no obligation to update guidance as conditions change. Our full year 2023 normalized FFO Guidance is $2.85 per share at the midpoint of our range of $2.82 to $2.88 per share. Full year normalized FFO per share at the midpoint represents an estimated 4.5% rate growth compared to 2022. We expect 4th quarter normalized FFO per share in the range of $0.70 to 0 point 7 $6 Full year core NOI is projected to increase 5.1% at the midpoint of our guidance range of 4.8% to 5.4%. We project a core NOI growth rate range of 6.3% to 6.9% for the 4th quarter and expect NOI for the quarter to represent almost 26% of full year core NOI.

Speaker 3

Full year guidance assumes core rent growth in the ranges of 6.5% to 7.1% for MH and 8% to 8.6% for annual RV rents. Our guidance assumptions for the Q4 include MH occupancy gained in the 3rd quarter with no assumed occupancy increase in the 4th quarter. Our assumptions for expense growth reflect current expectations based on the year to date activity and our review of property level and consolidated expense projections for the remainder of the year. As a reminder, we make no assumptions for storm events that may occur. The midpoints of our guidance assumptions for combined seasonal and transient show a decline of 4.9% in the 4th quarter and a decline of 4.8% for the full year compared to the respective periods last year.

Speaker 3

Our guidance for the full year and 4th Quarter includes no assumption for acquisitions closing before year end. The full year guidance model makes no assumption regarding other capital events or the use of free cash flow we expect to generate in the remainder of 2023. Before we open the call up for questions, Our balance sheet and current debt market conditions. Our balance sheet is extremely well positioned with a debt maturity schedule that shows Approximately 11% of our outstanding debt matures over the next 3 years and around 23% of our outstanding total debt matures over the next 5 years. This compares to an average total debt maturity for REITs of approximately 45% over the next 5 years.

Speaker 3

In addition, 22 Our outstanding secured debt is fully amortizing and carries no refinancing risk, and we have no year in our schedule when more than $350,000,000 of outstanding debt matures. Current secured debt terms available for MH and RV assets range from 50% to 75% LTV with rates from 6% to 6.75 percent for 10 year maturities. High quality age qualified MH will command best financing terms. RV assets with a high percentage of annual occupancy have access to financing from certain life companies as well as CMBS lenders. Life companies continue to express interest in high quality communities, though some have set limits on capacity and pricing.

Speaker 3

We continue to place high importance on balance sheet flexibility and we believe we have multiple sources of capital available to us. Our debt to EBITDA is 5.3 times and our interest coverage is 5.3 times. The weighted average maturity of our outstanding debt is approximately 10.5 years. Now we would like to open the call up for questions.

Operator

Thank Our first question comes from the line of Josh Gendlerlein Bank of America. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Yes. Hey, everyone. Appreciate the time.

Speaker 1

Good morning, George.

Speaker 5

Just kind of

Speaker 6

morning. Just curious on I appreciate all the color on 2024 on the rate growth that you're sending out. Could you remind us of the timing of when you send out the other fifty Percent of the manufactured housing rate notices. And then what's the framework for how you set that rate? Is it just a function of CPI at the time?

Speaker 6

Or What other kind of factors go into that?

Speaker 2

Yes, Josh, it's Patrick. The as Paul covered in his commentary, about half the increases will be sent out by this time. So, we're by the time we hit the Q1, the majority of the rent increases have been noticed and go into effect. Over the balance of the year, it's mostly ratable. To the extent that there is a CPI based lease, It will likely reference updated CPI as you move through the course of the year.

Speaker 2

And then to the extent that there are market rate increases, we'll revisit Markets that we have a view right now that we go through our budget process and to the extent that we feel it's appropriate to update Quarter by quarter, we'll update it as those notices go out accordingly.

Speaker 6

Okay. Appreciate that, Patrick. And then I get a lot of questions on just OpEx. Is there any kind of like framework you can provide us as far as like moving pieces as look forward any or any base effects? And then I know insurance is pretty topical.

Speaker 6

I know your renewal April 1, just kind of any kind of color you can provide on that insurance line item too.

Speaker 3

I guess, Josh, what I would say with respect to expenses on a forward view into 2024, We in the quarter, second quarter and also into the 3rd quarter have seen moderation in utility rates. We also have seen, with respect to our payroll, Obviously, the ability to flex that payroll based on demand in the properties that have variable demand, the transient RV properties primarily. With respect to the going back to the utilities for a moment, I think that on a go forward basis, we would probably see a more steady level To what we're seeing now, so we were at about 6% growth at the end of the second quarter. That moderated further in the 3rd quarter. And so I think we would anticipate that continuing.

Speaker 3

The last thing I'll touch on is R and M. I think that But for the local weather events that I mentioned in my opening remarks, I think that there is Some easing of pressure that we've seen in the last couple of years in terms of contract labor for maintenance at our properties as well as the cost of supplies.

Speaker 1

And then Josh, with respect to insurance, as you point out, our property level insurance policies renew on April 1 next year. So we have 7 months of experience behind us, 5 months left to go. So far our claims experience this year has been good, but we're only 60% through the year. So we'll have a better idea after we meet with our brokers, in January and be able to incorporate into our 2024 guidance.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of James Feldman with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you and good morning.

Speaker 1

Good morning, Jamie.

Speaker 7

So I guess I just

Speaker 5

want to kind of So think big picture here. We've been talking a lot with investors about the opportunity for recapitalizations of private entities. You've got one of the better cost of capital in the space. Opportunities don't last forever. Windows don't open don't stay open forever.

Speaker 5

Just How are you thinking about your cost of capital? What's on bank balance sheet, those impairments, where assets might trade And a window here where you could really put a lot of capital to work at pretty attractive returns. I know you said in the past it's kind of hard to find stuff to buy and you like to focus Expanding your communities, but just kind of big picture, where is your head and what do you think we might be able to see over the next year or couple of years? I guess, we'll see how long this

Speaker 1

So obviously my focus is on the ELSs, Our portfolio, we've been very deliberate in the years over the years in adding to our portfolio with a focus on really long term stable cash Well, and we like the MH business and the RV annual business. We think it really it meets the needs so many Americans who want to own their own home, in a vacation destination location. We think the MH business It's great for a lot of reasons and it's unique because of the fact that there's really no new supply. And we do know the properties we want to own and we'll continue to work with owners to grow our portfolio. 6 as our existing portfolio.

Speaker 1

So I think we'll be keeping in line with what we've always done in the disciplined approach to growing our business.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. And then your commentary on Florida and the Florida market So strong both on the East Coast and West Coast. I mean speaking to some of our industry contacts, there's real questions around commercial real estate insurance in Florida going forward.

Speaker 5

And how do you balance that when you think about putting fresh capital to work or even staying in those markets? That's the one market that keeps coming up where people are scratching their head of How is this even going to work over the long term?

Speaker 1

I think what we've seen is the demand is so strong for people to come to Florida And experience the affordable lifestyle that we have and to get out of the Northeast, to get out of the Mid West, and we just see that continuing. As far as insurance as it relates to our residents, While we don't keep track of who has insurance and who doesn't, over the years, we kind of have an idea That not a large percentage of our homeowners, our residents have homeowners insurance.

Speaker 5

And then just in terms of where you think rates are going, I know you said you don't find out until April next year, but I guess the commercial real estate insurance on your side, like you're just kind of comfortable that it'll work itself out?

Speaker 1

Well, we'll know certainly, I think as I said, over the last few months, Our claims experience is going to be a big factor in what our renewal is going to be. So As I just mentioned, we've had good claim experience so far this year, but we still have more months to go before the renewal.

Speaker 5

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Jamie.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of John Kim with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Thank you. Your 24 MH rate growth, now that the Social Security cost of living adjustment came in at 3.2% And multifamily rents have really just stalled out here in the Q3. How confident are you that you're able to achieve and push that 5 0.4% on the remaining leases. And can you remind us, is that 5.4% on the base rate change only or does that include any pass through Of expenses?

Speaker 3

Excuse me, John, the 5.4% is on the base rate. It does include The residents that moved in and assumed in place leases understanding that they would go to market upon renewal in January. So it does include the impact of the 13% mark to market that we've talked about for those residents. But I think Patrick has some more color.

Speaker 2

Yes. So John, as we worked our way through our budget process and that includes A review literally property by property in the respective submarkets and a review of the competitive set, Not only other manufactured home communities, but other competitive housing in those direct submarkets. As Marguerite touched on, we compare very favorably just with respect to the all in cost and the value That a resident moving to one of our communities gets in our locations. So as we work our way through the while it's a fair point and the CPI, our spread historically has been in the 150 to 200 basis points. We're kind of in that range with the mark to market that Paul just referenced.

Speaker 2

And we did have that 150 to 200 basis point historical spread to CPI with respect to our rate increases. Kind of front in mind as we were working through where we were going to set increases, particularly for our in place long term residents. So we feel pretty confident that it's a good value proposition and that those rents will come through.

Speaker 5

Any sense of timing or the quantum of the renewal rate increases in marinas?

Speaker 2

The marinas are basically ratable over the course of the year. So They'll come through over the quarter by quarter.

Speaker 3

And those annual renewals, John, are included in the 7% that we quoted for the RV Marina annual rent.

Speaker 5

Got it. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, John.

Operator

Thank you. Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Eric Wolf with Citi. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey, thanks. It looks like you're guiding to a sequential increase in FFO in 4Q as well as an increase in your annual RV growth. I think it's 8.8% from 8%. What's driving both of those?

Speaker 3

Yes. I think, Eric, when you think about the Q4 of 2023, you Kind of have to remember all that happened in the Q4 of 2022. So with respect to the RV, I'll take that first. The impact of Hurricane Ian In Q4 of 2022, really what we're seeing in 2023 is the benefit of the occupancy That we gained following the loss in the Q4 of last year. That's primarily what it is.

Speaker 3

There is also some contribution that's coming from Rate increases that are effective in the Q4. And then in terms of the FFO change, when I look at the non core contribution, There's about $5,000,000 year over year that's coming from the non core properties this year that we didn't have. We had 6 properties that were on sorry, that were offline following the hurricane last year that did not generate any NOI, And we did not have any business interruption contribution from most of those locations. And then we had some contribution from acquisitions in 2022 and 2023, as well as some one time adjustments. So There were a number of things that were happening in the Q4 of last year that make favorable comp this year.

Speaker 4

Got it. That's very helpful. And I guess for the non fixed pool that you referenced there a second ago, I guess, are you assuming any business interruption insurance Proceeds in the Q4 and then thinking about how we should model this for next year. Do you think that the sort of total NOI That you're showing there for this year is a good base from which to grow into 2024, meaning that we shouldn't make any sort of one time adjustments or other things we can use that As a run rate going into next year for those properties?

Speaker 3

Yes. I mean, it's a little bit challenging because We do have properties that will switch from non core into core next year. And when you think about the business interruption specifically, The part of the outperformance in the Q3 from the non core properties was Those properties that were offline last year that I just mentioned, returning to operations maybe At the same time that we are receiving business interruption for prior periods. So, we have this timing issue that we've talked about 4 in terms of the receipt of the business interruption cash, I think that will taper off and those properties will return to normal operations. So that's really what we're expecting.

Speaker 4

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks. Thanks, Eric.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brad Heffern with RBC. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Hey, good morning everybody. Just as a follow-up to that last question on the business interruption. In the Q4, are you in the same position where you're Maybe over earning a little bit or getting BI proceeds from prior periods, that's having a positive impact on earnings or when does that kind of Crossover.

Speaker 3

I think the Q4 is a little bit lighter because the Q4 looks back to the summer season for properties in Florida. So it Kind of evens itself out, so to speak in the Q4.

Speaker 8

Okay. Got it. And then for the 50% of the MH communities that have been noticed already, is that representative of the other 50% that has not, or is there a difference in How those are priced?

Speaker 3

It's a little bit more heavily weighted to the long term agreements that we've talked about. Those tend to have January renewals. So as Patrick mentioned earlier in the call, the impact of the CPI and the market increases, They have greater influence as we move through the rest of the 50% during 2024.

Speaker 8

Okay, got it. And then I was wondering if you could just talk through what cap rates you're seeing currently across the business and if Anything is transacting. I suspect the answer is no, if you're saying that cost of debt is in the 6s, but any color there would be great.

Speaker 1

Certainly. So as an industry, there really haven't been a lot of transactions. We look at all marketed deals as well as continuing all of our outbound efforts And staying connected with owners, waiting for them to kind of become sellers. Up to this point, we haven't seen a lot of Stress from owners in terms of refinancing or distressed sales. I really think that the page will turn on the calendar really before there is Pickup in activity.

Speaker 1

So it's difficult to quote cap rates when there just really haven't been a lot of transactions.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thank you. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Samir Khanal with Evercore. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hi, good morning, everyone. Hey, Paul or Marguerite, when I look at seasonal, so that seasonaltransient business, You do the math, it's down about 6% for the year now. I guess how are you thinking about that segment into next year? It's been one area that's been sort of hard to model The last couple of quarters here. I mean, did you kind of big picture, do you think that growth sort of turns positive next year?

Speaker 4

Or do you think that's sort of still another year Where you're sort of giving back what you may have over earned over the COVID years?

Speaker 3

I guess, thinking about seasonal, what we're seeing is that revenue, Particularly in the Q3 and the Q4, I'll just talk to those for a minute. When you look at the seasonal, Roughly 20% of the seasonal rent comes in the month of October 50% comes in the month of December. And you'll remember that the biggest quarter that we have for the seasonal business Historically has been and continues to be the Q1 and we had significant growth in the Q1 and it's driven by those customers that are spending the winter months in the South. What we did experience during the pandemic was activity that was A month or more in other parts of the country or even in the South during the summer months. That activity Was modest, but it was a contributor of growth.

Speaker 3

I think that that's what we saw leveling off to a degree in 2023. And for 2024, I think that we'll see a return to our kind of historical business, which is primarily the 4th and first quarters for the seasonal business With strong demand leading into 2024.

Speaker 1

And with respect to transient business for 2024, it's Too early to talk about where we think we focus a lot. We've talked a lot about how The transient business is heavily dependent on weather. So obviously, that's difficult to project a year out. But we'll have a Better clarification on that as we go into in January when we report and provide our guidance for 2024.

Speaker 2

I guess as a follow-up

Speaker 4

to that, I mean, in terms of guidance, and I know you haven't provided that, but will there be sort of a change in the way you kind of Look at guidance because again transient and seasonal when you started off the year, I think you were Expecting that number to be slightly up, right? So now you're down 6% for the year. So I'm thinking is there sort of a change in mentality or how you're going to Provide guidance as you think about next year as you get into January?

Speaker 9

I guess my view on

Speaker 3

it is there's An expectation across the business that we continue to perform. As Marguerite said, there's a great deal of variability Specific to the transient business that comes from weather. I think that our Historical baseline expectation has been as we enter a year that that transient business has a modest Level of growth, kind of low to mid single digit growth on an annual basis. I don't see a reason For or a thought that we would change that practice, I think we will continue that and we'll provide updates on a quarterly basis as we historically have On that revenue stream, which again represents about 6% of our total revenues.

Speaker 4

Thanks so

Speaker 1

much. Thanks. Thanks Sameer.

Operator

Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Powell with Barclays. Your line is open.

Speaker 10

Hi, good morning. I guess maybe one more on transient RV. If you strip out the impact of weather and also the impact of SAIC conversions. How did demand in the quarter trend relative to earlier in the year? Did you see any improvement, any weakening, Just any just directional commentary would be great.

Speaker 3

I mean, I think that what we saw overall in the North, again, if we're going to qualify it by weather, Is demand from the customers for stays in our properties, and I would point to the ability to put through increases in rates As support for that demand. So, our ability to increase transient nightly stays in our properties, even in a time when the weather is challenging and achieve those rates is the indicator that I would look to.

Speaker 10

Thanks. And then maybe one more on the 13% increase in rent to new homeowners. How does that compare to history? And is there any opportunity to push that even higher? And how do you think about that segment in the business overall?

Speaker 10

It seems like a pretty good Supportive growth in your MHMH business. So I wanted to see kind of how that should trend over time?

Speaker 2

Yes. Well, let me Start by, I guess setting the stage over the last couple of years. We've been through a period of particularly high demand For our properties and our locations, especially in the Sunbelt, That's been evidenced from really record new home sales, which are moderating. But if you think about that level of demand, including higher CPI, just the base level rate increases For our customers have been higher, right. So the comp set has been higher over the last couple of years And market rate increases have been higher over the last couple of years.

Speaker 2

And if you think about our long term customers with us typically 10 years or more, There's kind of an embedded increase or net loss to lease, right, a bump to market on turnover, Which is what Paul summarized. And that's why the reason that number is escalated into the call it that 10%, 13% range is because we've come through those periods of high demand and high CPI, but the turnover of our resident base hasn't changed In any meaningful way. So over time, I would expect that bump to market to tend to moderate. And historically, that bump to market has been, call it, in the 5% to 6% range as opposed to the double digits that we're seeing now.

Speaker 10

Okay. So How quickly should that bump to market moderate? Is that something that will moderate over the next year or just maybe a timeframe would be great? I

Speaker 9

don't know that I can do

Speaker 2

the math in my head that quickly, but a basic construct would be we have 10% turnover in our resident base on an annual basis. So it would moderate over time.

Speaker 10

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Speaker 6

Sure.

Operator

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Kegan Cole with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Yes. Thanks for the time guys. I guess first your MH occupancy is down 30 basis points year over year in the core portfolio. What's it going to take to get that number to start trending higher?

Speaker 2

Well, let me start by just putting a little bit of context there that we still have Roughly 150 units of headwinds from Hurricane Ian, and we'll work through Replenishing that housing stock. And those submarkets in Florida, as I touched on in my opening comments, are seeing A very consistent period of high demand. So taking that out of The equation are looking forward to a 2024, I would expect you're going to start to see occupancy increases That are more reflective of the historical business and you just saw that we increased a little over 40 units net in the quarter.

Speaker 1

And I think it's just important to point out that over 50% of our properties are 98% occupied And have been for a number of years. These customers are making residents are making a long term commitment to stay in the community. So we've seen properties stay fully occupied for long periods of time, 10 plus years.

Speaker 9

And then shifting gears to home sales, I mean, obviously, it's slowing down. I think the queries in the existing home sales or the lack thereof. But I'm curious if there's something else that you're seeing because it is interesting to see the used home sales seem to be kind of leveling out as opposed to new home sales declining.

Speaker 1

Yes. The used home sales is just a function of what available inventory we have. So it's really not a function of demand at the property. If we had more, we'd be selling

Operator

So that's the way I

Speaker 1

think of it on the used home side. And the new home sales is really just moderating back To pre COVID levels, but very strong demand, especially in our key markets.

Speaker 9

Got it. Thanks for the time.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Howe with Truist. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. I noticed that the TTC sales is down 10% this year and TTC membership is also down again this quarter. Can you provide a little bit more color on what's driving this decline? And which pass is experiencing a slowdown? Is it the cabin pass or is it the camping pass?

Speaker 1

It's the camping pass. We've seen a reduction in RV dealer activations. I think it's about a 10% decline in activations, which means that's coming from the point of sale at the RV dealer. And then we've also seen a decline due to reduced transient activity at the property level. So if there's not a lot of People coming through, you just see a reduction in sales.

Speaker 1

Got

Speaker 4

Can you also provide like can you talk about how like these automated reports are helping with like decision making? How are you guys using the historical weather data? And what publicly available market driven housing data you guys are using that you weren't using before?

Speaker 3

Well, Anthony, it's not that we weren't using it before. I want to be clear on that. I was mentioning kind of over the years the things that we've done to enhance our reporting. So just by way of example, I'll take the weather data to kind of share that In my remarks, I had commentary around the historical weather patterns, the impact, the amount of the rainfall and so forth. And we have internally in our regular reporting information that flows out to Our operations and sales and marketing team leaders about the weather patterns, the forecast of those weather in the locations That are in focus depending on the time of year.

Speaker 3

Those are used, as I mentioned, to drive the decisions as far as where to target our marketing, How to communicate with our customers as to when a weekend is going to be nice or how we might direct Our activity and encourage them to visit the properties. That's just one example of some of the reporting enhancements that we've implemented over the years and we'll continue to do so.

Speaker 1

And we're also using within our home sales website, we use AI to kind of strengthen the descriptions of homes that are available for sale, and also develop alternate email headlines and Social media posts that could kind of improve our performance and we've seen that work well over time.

Speaker 4

Great. And then like on social media, I think you mentioned that you had $32,000,000 impression this year. Like How should we think about that number? Like, what is the click through rate per impression? Like, what is conversion rate on those leads?

Speaker 4

Is it also like driving your margin cost down as well?

Operator

Yes. I mean the way

Speaker 1

I would look at it is the impressions are really just the total number of times our content was seen. So we gauge that and we see that increase over time. So that's a positive for us. And it really You know, measures our ability to get our message out in front of our target audience. So that's what our focus is.

Speaker 1

And of course, Click throughs and then what ends up being a reservation, which is the goal. And we have an increasingly high number of our reservations are booked online or through the call center Over time, it's increased significantly to where it's now 70% of the overall activity.

Speaker 5

Got you. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Anthony.

Operator

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of John Pawlowski with Green Street. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Thanks. Good morning. Good morning. I was curious as a follow-up A follow-up to the membership question just there. Can you speak to the retention trends in the business?

Speaker 4

And as camping demand normalizes towards levels, do you expect near term declines in annual membership revenues and membership upgrade sales?

Speaker 1

Yes. I think that we still see very strong demand for our, Camping Pass product. It is really a low cost Product that we offer to our members, as an incentive to kind of Start their camping journey with us. So we see strong demand. I don't see that stopping As we head into next year, I think there is just that moderation that happened as a result of the end of the post kind of COVID environment, but I believe it's still very strong.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then, Paul, I'm not sure I understood the response to the One question about the first 50% of MH rate increases represented the total portfolio. Did I interpret it right that the 5.4% on the 1st batch was elevated because the longer term stays had a higher mark to market and we should expect The 2nd batch to be lower than 5.4 percent, is that accurate?

Speaker 3

Well, I think you have 2 things happening. 1, For those it's specific to Florida. So for those increases on turnover that occurred during 2023, In Florida, those residents can assume the remaining term of the existing lease and they'll go to market in January when their lease renews. So That cohort is moving to market come January 1. During 2024, in other states, We'll see a mark to market as well.

Speaker 3

So we'll have the benefit of that. The other thing that I was saying is the long term agreements are more heavily weighted toward January 1st. So that actually those tend to have a lower average increase than the market and the CPI increases given where CPI is right now. A little bit of a balancing between those two factors. So I would anticipate a relative level of consistency across the year.

Speaker 1

I think John, if you just look at last year at this time, giving the same type of information and the portfolio is basically the same, you could take a look at that and see how that kind of You know, played out, this year year over year, similar to what Paul is saying.

Speaker 4

Okay, makes sense. Last one for me. Can you share how seasonal RV bookings for the Q4 and the Q1 compared to a year ago?

Speaker 3

Compared to a year ago, I don't have that in front of me, John. But what I can say is that We're seeing the as I mentioned earlier, the seasonal activity builds in terms of the percentage For each month in the Q4. And as we move out of the northern season, those customers that are with us a month or longer in that part of the country And move toward the southern season, we see that pace increasing over that time period and Following that increase into the Q1.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thanks for the time.

Speaker 1

Thanks, John.

Operator

Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Good morning. Thanks a lot for taking my question. Good morning, Michael. Good morning, Marguerite. Maybe just to wrap up the conversation on weather.

Speaker 7

We've talked a lot of different things Forecasting and marketing driven off of that, but I guess just to sum it up is, was this a particularly weaker transient Seasoned because the weather was less favorable and that potentially creates a more favorable setup For transient in 2024, am I interpreting that right?

Speaker 3

I think it's pretty clear that the weather was very challenging This summer. How that plays out next year is obviously entirely dependent on the weather patterns next year. But yes, it was an extremely challenging year in 2023.

Speaker 7

Thanks for that. And my follow-up question is about The conversations that you've had with residents on the 2024 rent increases, I was wondering if there were areas where you were getting the most Pushback from residents. Are the residents understanding kind of the moving pieces of this is a moderating CPI environment, but Insurance costs are up, elevated costs are up. I'm trying to size like for the last year, you weren't able To push rent as hard as expenses were elevated. I'm just trying to better understand like How residents reacted to this and the ability to kind of for rents to continue to outpace expenses going forward?

Speaker 2

Yes. Let me start by saying that it's shaping up to be very similar to our Historical practices and our historical feedback, and particularly with the rates that have just recently gone out, We'll have more conversations with, residents and homeowners associations. I've referenced before in Florida, There's a kind of a well organized statutory process for a review and a discussion of rate increases. We take that opportunity to have a conversation with our homeowners and broader resident base On priorities for the properties in addition to the rent increase. So it's a little early in the process To give you a full view, but what's shaping up so far is pretty typical with our historical experience.

Speaker 7

Got it. And just one final clarification from me. We talked quite a bit about properties turning over and then getting a 13% increase, which I think takes some which kind of commences in the start of 2020. Could you provide What percentage of properties are turning over that are going to receive that?

Speaker 3

It's the resident turnover. And across our portfolio, generally, we have about 10% turnover.

Speaker 1

At individual residents, not properties. Right.

Speaker 4

Got it.

Speaker 7

Yes. Got it. So about 10% of your rent of the MH residents will be received are going to see something similar to that 13% increase upon the start of the year.

Speaker 3

Over the course of 2024 that will happen.

Speaker 5

Okay. Great.

Speaker 3

Specific to Florida, it's Effective January 1, but in the other states that happens throughout the course of the year.

Speaker 7

Super helpful. Thank you very much. Good luck in the Q4.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Since we have no more questions on the line, at this time, I would like to I'll turn the call back over to Marguerite Nader for closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you for joining us today. We look forward to seeing you all at NAREIT. Take care.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Everyone have a wonderful

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