Fiserv Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 24, 2023

There are 12 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to the Fiserv 2023 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode until the question and answer session begins following the presentation. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. At this time, I will turn the call over to Julie Sherriell, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations at Fiserv.

Speaker 1

Thank you, and good morning. With me on the call today are Frank Bibignano, our Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer and Bob Howe, our Chief Financial Officer. Our earnings release and supplemental materials for the quarter are available on the Investor Relations section of fiserv.com. Please refer to these materials for an explanation of the non GAAP financial measures discussed in this call, along with a reconciliation of those measures to the nearest Our remarks today will include forward looking statements about, among other matters, expected operating and financial results and strategic initiatives. Forward looking statements may differ materially from actual results and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties.

Speaker 1

You should refer to our earnings release for a discussion of these risk factors. And now, I'll turn the call over to Frank.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Julie, and thank you all for joining us today to discuss how Fiserv continues to deliver Very strong results. For the 3rd quarter, we posted 12% organic revenue growth With margin expansion of 290 basis points to 38.1% on an adjusted basis, These results reflect an acceleration in our Merchant Acceptance and FinTech segment organic revenue growth to 20% and 6%, respectively. While all three segments contributed to higher margin, Adjusted earnings per share of $1.96 was up 20%. Cash flow was strong as well with $1,300,000,000 of free cash flow in the quarter and $2,700,000,000 In the closing months of 2023, market projections in consumer spending And card account growth in the U. S.

Speaker 2

Point to consistency versus 3rd quarter levels, Which would mean some softening year over year. Macro uncertainty remains high, but we are confident in Our ability to continue to add new clients, grow with and retain existing ones and expand our share of wallet with all of them. Because of this, we expect to close the year with growth similar to the year to date results. We also look at more durable characteristics of our business to support our optimists. Nearly half of our volume in our merchant business is in non discretionary spending categories.

Speaker 2

Approximately 85% of our financial institutions revenue is recurring. Our customer base and distribution network are industry leading. Our incremental margins are high And our expense based benefits from technology driven efficiencies and discretionary investment that we can adjust to match market conditions. It is these characteristics that have helped us We delivered 37 consecutive years of double digit adjusted earnings per share growth and 2023 year to date results Point to this being our 38th year. Our strong execution across these factors Leads us to raise our guidance for the remainder of the year.

Speaker 2

We now expect 2023 organic revenue growth And our adjusted operating margin to improve more than 175 basis points this year, up from our prior expectation of at least 150 basis points of expansion. With this, We are raising our full year adjusted earnings per share guidance to a new range Up $0.05 at the midpoint and representing growth of 15% to 16% over 2022. We are also raising our free cash flow guidance From $3,800,000,000 to approximately $4,000,000,000 this year. The 3rd quarter marked our 10th consecutive quarter of double digit organic revenue growth, And we are focused on sustaining this momentum. Last quarter, I talked about 5 powerful opportunities They can help us do this.

Speaker 2

So I'll share some proof points we achieved in the Q3. Let's start with Clover, our market leading cloud based SaaS operating system for small and medium sized businesses. Revenue growth accelerated in the 3rd quarter to 26% from 23% in Q2 On $272,000,000,000 in annualized payment volume, up 15%. We released a new Clover dashboard with improved user experience that expedites Navigation to our top apps, including reporting and analytics. We added other features that speed the buying process at clover.com and improve the application process For new merchant prospects, we expect this functionality to open opportunities for Clover with the long tail of merchants Growing our addressable market.

Speaker 2

Value added solutions penetration continues to grow, reaching 17% We see plenty of white space still ahead, including with vertical specific solutions, Horizontal value added services and software and international markets. We retain line of sight to an acceleration in revenue growth that results in $3,500,000,000 plus In Clover revenue by 2025, the target laid out at our March 2022 investor presentation. Moving to Carrot, our unified commerce offering for omni channel merchants. We added several new enterprise Adding to our non discretionary spending categories, we continue to drive value added solutions with enterprise clients And wins in the quarter came from products addressing PVAX and platforms, Foreign currency translation, fraud and hotel restaurants with Bento Box. We're pleased to announce that PayPal This is a new direct strategic multiyear partnership covering several products and services And millions of merchant locations that builds on a long standing base of business between our two companies.

Speaker 2

International expansion continues with Carrot, and we had several wins in the quarter across our regions. In EMEA, We won a competitive bid to help Compass Group, the world's largest contract food service company, Methods and real time inventory data across our single current omnichannel platform for Europe. Our differentiation lies in our functionality around data normalization, real time access, Visualization and reporting depth and breadth. In Asia Pacific, we extended a global merchant acquiring relationship With Avis Budget, one of the world's largest car rental providers into Australia and New Zealand. And lastly, an emerging opportunity for us in the enterprise space is open data.

Speaker 2

We logged 2 important wins in this area in the 3rd quarter that demonstrate strong demand for access To our vast alternative data assets, one of the major credit bureaus will use our account level data To add micro indicators to a consumer's credit profile, particularly relevant for the underbanked. Secondly, we're partnering with Dun and Bradstreet to add information from our merchant volume database To supplement its small business credit reports, this solution can optimize credit decisioning for lenders and access to capital for small businesses. Finally, in the area of payments and open banking, We signed a deal with Plaid for API access to bank data, allowing the company to move further away From screen scraping and generating revenue for us at our connected banking credit union clients, We can further penetrate this data market opportunity by contributing in areas such as ID verification, Account verification, loan origination and security and fraud services. And in merchant acceptance, it's 10% of adjusted revenue. It's largely driven by Argentina and Brazil, followed by Mexico, Colombia, Uruguay and the Caribbean.

Speaker 2

Argentina inflation anticipation revenue I've grabbed much of the attention here, but our business in the region is well diversified with multiple growth drivers Across products and countries, even as we look to presumably less inflation and slower anticipation growth In Argentina, next year, we see plenty of opportunities for strong growth in the region. These include instant payments in Brazil and Argentina, revenue growth on our software Express rails We're expanding the payments functionality for this leading retail software business that we acquired in 2018. We expanded on this opportunity earlier this month when we acquired Skytap, the largest distributor of Software With it, we added 100 of ISV partners, 27,000 merchants And the ability to cross sell multiple value added solutions. Ramping up new business with Kansha Bank, Including acceptance at 13,000 bill payment facilities across Brazil. Rolling out Clover more broadly in Brazil next year and expanding our issuer processing footprint With First Vision in Brazil, Mexico and Argentina, elevated inflation And high interest anticipation revenue in Latin America have contributed to the high teens growth we are posting this year In our merchant business, well ahead of our medium term guidance of 9% to 12%.

Speaker 2

The macro forces contributing to this greater than anticipated growth will likely ease over time And this assumption is fully incorporated in our plan to achieve $10,000,000,000 of merchant revenue by 2025. And finally, in the area of digital payments, we were very happy to introduce yesterday A partnership with Melio, a leading B2B payments platform. This marks a significant step forward for Fiserv, it is very large and growing market. Together with Melio, we will enable Accounts payable and receivable workflows with Fiserv's market leading pillar and merchant network plus Payment capabilities. By summer 2024, we will go to market with cash Woah Central by Fiserv, an integrated accounts payable and receivable solution for small businesses Through Fiserv Financial Institution clients, this exclusive distribution agreement includes more than 3,500 FIs currently using check free from Fiserv for bill payment And will allow the solution to scale rapidly.

Speaker 2

Furthermore, in the near future, we will reach merchants directly With this product, we're clover in our ISV channel. Now let me turn the discussion over to Bob for more detail on our financial results.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Frank, and good morning, everyone. If you're following along on our slides, I will cover details on total company and segment performance, starting with our financial metrics and trends on Slide 4. As Frank said, our Q3 was very strong. We are confident in our new 2023 outlook and ability to continue to deliver attractive levels Year to date, total company organic revenue grew 11%, led by the Merchant Acceptance segment, which grew 17%. Total company adjusted revenue of $4,600,000,000 Grew 8% for the quarter despite a meaningful foreign currency headwind.

Speaker 3

Adjusted operating income grew 17% in the quarter So $1,800,000,000 resulting in adjusted operating margin of 38.1%, an increase 2.90 basis points. Year to date, adjusted revenue grew 8% to $13,400,000,000 And adjusted operating income increased 16% to $4,800,000,000 resulting in adjusted operating margin Adjusted earnings per share for the quarter increased 20 percent to $1.96 compared to $1.63 in the prior year. Year to date, adjusted earnings per share increased 16% to $5.34 at the high end of 14% to 16% annual prior guidance range. Our adjusted earnings per share growth is Particularly noteworthy given the impact of foreign currency translation. Mostly due to the sharp devaluation of the Argentine peso relative to the dollar, Our earnings per share includes a headwind of $0.24 for the quarter versus prior year.

Speaker 3

Free cash flow reached $1,300,000,000 for the quarter, up 48% versus the prior year And $2,700,000,000 for the 1st 9 months of the year, up 29%. We are raising our free cash flow guidance and now expect Now looking to our segment results starting on Slide 5. Organic revenue growth in the Merchant Acceptance segment was a strong 20% in the quarter 17% year to date. We now anticipate organic revenue growth to be in the high teens for the full year. Adjusted revenue growth was 12% in the quarter and 11% year to date.

Speaker 3

Organic revenue growth in this segment running well ahead of our medium term guidance for 9% to 12% growth, driven by growth in Clover, our ISV channel And our international businesses as well as several transitory factors that we expect will ease in future years. The elevated Argentine inflation, which is running well above 100% this year, contributed about 2 points organic growth segment on a year to date basis. Additionally, high interest rates in Argentina have contributed to a stronger growth in anticipation revenue. But even as rates normalize, we expect demand for these prepayments to be healthy given the extended settlement periods here as well as in Brazil and Uruguay. Turning to volume performance in the quarter, merchant volume grew 2% overall and 6% excluding wholesale processing.

Speaker 3

Similarly, transactions grew 1% overall and 9% excluding processing. Recall that a large portion of our volume comes from traditional wholesale processing. However, over the last several years, we've been evolving from providing processing service This transition changes our business model for the better. Our SMB and enterprise acquiring businesses Carry much higher revenue per dollar volume compared to the wholesale processing business. So as acquiring grows and wholesale So processing becomes a smaller portion of our volume, we are seeing a widening positive spread with revenue growth outpacing volume growth in large part due to value added services.

Speaker 3

Going forward, processing volume will ebb and flow. As a reminder, we projected $10,000,000,000 of revenue in this Merchant Acceptance segment in 2025 with processing revenue flat from 2021 to 2025. We expect overall revenue growth will continue to outpace volume growth as we increase penetration of software and services, which means more revenue per unit of volume. Clover continues to build on the strength of its growing product offering, distribution partnerships, expanded direct sales and value added solutions. It posted a strong 26% revenue growth for the quarter and 23% year to date.

Speaker 3

Quarterly Clover GPV was $68,000,000,000 or $272,000,000,000 on an annualized basis, up 15%. Value added services penetration was 17%, over 2 points above year ago levels and on track to achieve our 25% target by 2025. For enterprise clients grew 14%, excluding the loss of a large merchant aggregator as discussed last quarter. On an unadjusted basis, Carrot revenue grew 2%. We have 2 large wins that included our Commerce Hub product.

Speaker 3

The new single orchestration layer that enables easy access to all our products and services. 1st, with curb mobility, The taxi hailing service and second, with AutoBooks, an accounting and bookkeeping system provider to small business. Adjusted operating income in the Acceptance segment increased 24% to $757,000,000 in the quarter And adjusted operating margin was up 3 50 basis points to 35.9%. Year to date, adjusted operating income improved 22 percent to $2,000,000,000 and adjusted operating margin grew 300 basis points to 33.8%. Turning to Slide 6, the Payments and Networks segment.

Speaker 3

Organic revenue growth in the segment was 6% in the quarter 9% year to date. Adjusted revenue growth in the quarter was 5 8% year to date. Growth drivers in the segment include North American credit active accounts on file, So growth here slowed a bit to 3% and Zelle transactions grew 44%, which continued to benefit From new uptake of Zelle for Business. Our debit networks, Star and Excel, added several new merchant customers, including Some household names in e commerce, in part to take advantage of Reg II benefits. These and prior new client adds represent a strong pipeline of prospects for the Merchant Acceptance business.

Speaker 3

We also won a deal to support Pinnacle, a $42,000,000,000 bank by assets In a combined debit processing and network win, demonstrating our ability to successfully support and sell to larger banks. Outside the U. S, we closed a 5 year deal with the Tier 1 U. K. Bank to support the launch of a new buy now pay later To be delivered using a combination of our First Vision processing technology and our new suite of digital solutions.

Speaker 3

We also won a contract with Badhan Bank, India's 8th largest bank, further cementing our position as a market leader in credit processing in India, Bringing the number of Indian banks on our First Vision processing platform to 10th. As we've said, We expected tougher comparisons through the second half of the year given the anniversary of the onboarding of several large clients through mid-twenty 22. We continue to anticipate the full year organic revenue growth rate to be toward the high end of our medium term outlook of 5% to 8%. Year to date, adjusted operating income was up 14% to $2,300,000,000 And adjusted operating margin was up 260 basis points to 46.7%. Moving to Slide 7, the Financial Technology Organic revenue growth in the segment was 6% in the quarter and 3% year to date.

Speaker 3

Adjusted revenue growth in the quarter was 4% 1% year to date impacted by the divestiture of our financial reconciliation product announced at beginning of the quarter. For the year, we expect organic growth to reach the low end of our guidance range of 4% to 6%. Adjusted operating income was up 11% in the quarter to $291,000,000 and up 5% to 8.50 $6,000,000 year to date. Adjusted operating margin in the segment increased 260 basis points to 36.7 percent for the quarter. For the 1st 9 months, the segment's adjusted operating margin grew 130 basis points to 36.1%.

Speaker 3

We added 8 new core account processing clients in the quarter, including 3 wins with financial institutions whose assets Exceeded $1,000,000,000 Two wins came from growing credit unions, including Noble Federal that saw the benefits of upgrading to DNA, Our industry leading cloud enabled core for both credit unions and banks. The adjusted corporate operating loss tax rate in the quarter was 19.2% and was 19.6% for the 1st 9 months. We continue to expect the adjusted effective tax rate to be approximately 20% for the full year. Total debt outstanding was $23,300,000,000 on September 30 and the debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio dropped 2.8 times. During the Q3, we issued $2,000,000,000 of 5 year and 10 year senior notes to replace the notes that matured in October and reduce our commercial paper program balances.

Speaker 3

Variable rate debt sits at 7% of total. During the quarter, we continued executing our capital allocation strategy, repurchasing 9,600,000 shares for $1,200,000,000 And 31,400,000 shares for $3,700,000,000 over the last 9 months. We have 60,500,000 shares remaining authorized for repurchase at the end of the quarter. We are fully committed to our long standing disciplined approach to Capital allocation, which includes investing in our business organically, maintaining a strong balance sheet, returning cash to shareholders through share repurchase and pursuing high value and innovative acquisitions. And wrapping up on Slide 8.

Speaker 3

Year to date, organic revenue growth is at the top end of our prior guidance for the full year and we expect the level of business activity in the 4th quarter to be similar to the 3rd, while consumer spending is forecast to be slower in the second half of the year relative to the first, The consumers remain resilient as unemployment levels remain low. Bank and Credit Union IT spending continues at a healthy pace as higher interest rates have been a tailwind for profitability. The combined scenario gives us confidence to raise our full year organic revenue growth to 11%, the top end of our previous guidance range of 9% to 11%. Based on this higher anticipated organic revenue growth and strong third quarter results, we are raising our full year adjusted EPS guidance range once again From the previous $7.40 to $7.50 to a new range of $7.47 to $7.52 representing growth of 15% to 16% over 2022. This includes a higher adjusted operating margin now expected to improve more than 175 basis points this year, Up from our prior guidance of at least 150 basis points.

Speaker 3

We look forward to seeing you at our Investor Day on November 15. Space is limited. So for those of you who cannot attend in person, please take advantage of the webcast from our Investor Relations website. With that, let me turn the call back to Frank.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Bob. I'll provide a brief update on our CSR activities And most recent recognitions before we wrap up and move to Q and A. During the quarter, we continued to expand our focus On minority depository institutions or MDIs. In September, We hosted our inaugural MDI Advisory Council meeting, where we discussed future state products And strategies and how to better integrate Fiserv solutions at council members banks to help them grow And better serve their clients. We were active on the back to business front as well.

Speaker 2

So far this year, Pfizer's back to business program has funded almost 200 grants totaling nearly $2,000,000 Was affirmed. When IDC ranked Pfizer number 1 on its top 100 ranking of Global Financial Technology Providers. CNBC also named us a top FinTech Company and Time Magazine included Fiserv on its list of World's Best Companies in 2023. I'd like to conclude my formal remarks with what to expect from our upcoming investor conference on November 15. This will be our first full business review in 3 years.

Speaker 2

Our work to integrate First Data and Fiserv is not only done, but it's driving real value in the marketplace Our assets are now unmatched when you consider that we have a large and diverse client base From financial institutions of all sizes to small businesses to large enterprises around the world, spanning all sectors and containing many leaders in their respective industries. A global footprint in over 100 countries organized by region and known Scale based leadership in merchant acquiring, driven in part by a superior distribution model. The leading credit card issuing platform offering cutting edge cardholder experiences. The number 3 debit network. Our NAL network that optimizes connections between our bank and Credit union clients and payment rails of all types from cards to ACH to real time.

Speaker 2

The best bank and credit union account processing platforms and the broadest set of value added turnaround solutions. And finally, cross platform opportunities that expand our addressable market And that Fiserv is uniquely positioned to deliver. This includes our new SMB accounts payable and We'll expand on these opportunities and more in a

Speaker 4

few weeks'

Speaker 2

time. Anne will share a compelling 3 year forward plan That will help you understand how we intend to defend and extend our lead in FinTech. Thank you to our teams who come to work every day to build and deliver on this plan. And thank you all for your time and attention today. And now operator, please open the line for questions.

Operator

Our first question comes from Timothy Chiodo from UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thanks a lot for taking the question. I want to touch on enterprise e commerce competition, very topical in the market right now and you mentioned many new carat wins.

Speaker 4

Maybe you could talk

Speaker 5

a little bit about Star and Accel and how bundling those networks is helping you to win share, but not just Star and Accel, some of the other services

Speaker 2

Thank you, Tim. Good to hear from you. I'd start at the top, right? We are committed The build out of our omni channel capability and we brought in Commerce Hub as fundamentally a centerpiece of that. That really gets to the point that you're bringing, which is what I would call more value added services than just ecom value.

Speaker 2

Our debit routing capability is very, very strong and it allows us all So with the debit network to be able to give our clients the opportunity to work on lowering the cost of acceptance, It's a platform that we've thought about across the business for a very long time. Bringing in other value added services like our prepaid products Gift also gives us what we believe is strategic advantage. So in many of our businesses, you'll hear us talk about across It's we'll have a fundamental processing capability and acquiring capability, but then Bringing across the other value added services, and that's the benefit of this company, it gives us a strategic advantage. So I think about those aspects really and I think when you look at PayPal and the like, it gives us a really good hand To be able to do more with them besides only e com and also for other clients, it's the omni channel experience That we bring to them across the enterprise.

Speaker 5

Excellent. Thank you, Frank.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

Next, we'll go to the line of Dave Togut from Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thank you. Good to see the acceleration in Clover revenue growth and the increased penetration of value added services. Could you just drill down into what you see as the biggest drivers of growth and value added services going forward taking you to the Model you've laid out for 2025?

Speaker 2

I mean, for us, it's software stacks against And then there's a horizontal capability. Obviously, employee management, Everything from timekeeping systems to the way in fact they're managing their workforce It's a capability that gets used horizontally. If you look at other pieces, it will be inventory for some Specific businesses. And I think if you look at our penetration rate, It continues to grow because the bundles continue to get stickier. You heard us then today announce Melio Yesterday, and Al, it's Emilio, I should say, and that will be another, it goes beyond merchant and we could talk about that later if you all like, but It will be another offering to our merchant base in total and that would be an example of bringing in capabilities That we didn't have for them before that we will.

Speaker 2

So I think we started as you remember, we started Clover With the concept of an app store, we converted that into understanding what are the natural characteristics of specific verticals and then what is the horizontal Automotive capability, that way we'll bring across it. And we feel good about the growth and we see the trajectory of both Signing up new merchants and also the ability to bring more product to our current merchants.

Speaker 6

Thanks for that. And just as a quick follow-up, Bob, good to see the free cash flow up 48% year over year in the Q3. CapEx was down 17%. Are we moving toward lower capital intensity going forward? Or is this just a function of an easy comparison?

Speaker 3

Yes. I would definitely, David, point to really timing of the capital spending and comparisons. I would expect The full year 2023 to be in line with last year's spending overall. And I think we've said in the past, as we look forward, We think the capital levels that we've got right now are about correct going forward. We'll see a growth in revenue.

Speaker 3

And therefore, as a Percent of revenue, perhaps some easing, but order of magnitude that $1,500,000,000 for the full year is right in line with what we'd expect.

Speaker 6

Thank you very much.

Operator

Next, we'll go to the line of Tien Tsin Huang from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thank you. Great results here. On the acceptance side in LatAm specifically, I'm curious with the anticipation revenue likely to ease there and you gave some Disclosure, I'm just curious what do you see replacing that growth in LatAm? How does the deal pipeline look there?

Speaker 3

Yes, Tien Tsin, I think we pointed out in our prepared remarks, we're definitely seeing some transitory benefits In Latin America, particularly in Argentina, around higher than normal inflation And higher than normal interest rates, that is definitely giving us a lift from an anticipation standpoint. I think you know we basically are anticipating cash into the merchant. We're in the middle of the payment flow, And so we're able to provide that as a service to our merchants so that they can settle their transactions earlier than the typical 30 day cycle in that region, interest rates, we get a spread on the interest. And of course, we're able to borrow at a cheaper rate than our merchants might be able to borrow. So that's a good business for us, very low risk we're in the middle of that flow.

Speaker 3

If you anticipate interest rates to ease into the future, which I would expect They will. You'll see some easing of the revenue, but not in the spread. And so it remains a very good business for us. And of course, the debate will be at what rate does either inflation and or interest rates ease. An important element though is a very correlated number to both inflation and interest rates is FX.

Speaker 3

And well, from an organic standpoint, we don't have FX because our organic results are constant currency. It's certainly in our adjusted Revenue and our EPS. And so we'll see some easing of that transitory inflation and interest impact. We'll also See some easing of that FX impact net net. Overall results on an adjusted revenue basis and adjusted EPS basis We'll remain strong about Latin America.

Speaker 3

It's a tremendous franchise for us, not only in Argentina, but in Brazil. We can And providing a good growth in the recent history and expected to continue into the future.

Speaker 4

Yes. Glad to hear, Bob. Just real quick, if you don't mind me asking another one On FinTech, you mentioned MediBank and overall bank spending has been healthy on the IT side. How about new deal activity, Large deals, etcetera. Do you see that continuing here as we cross into the new I'm just curious where the appetite is for new spend in the banking community?

Speaker 2

Yes, I think the dialogue is robust. I think FinTech has Definitely added to that dialogue

Speaker 3

from where we were before.

Speaker 2

In my prepared remarks, So I talk about our platform, SurveyBank and Credit Union. I have a deep belief, I think the market has a deep belief that DNA and FinTech are industry leaders and capabilities. We had always talked about going Further up market, obviously, I think if you look at total banks that run on a system, we're the market leader, But we're also driving north and I think those two assets really help us and there's lots of robust dialogue. Now we need to turn robust dialogue Into closed deals and then we got to convert it. But I feel good about the long term.

Speaker 2

We'll talk about it Clearly, on November 15. I also think when we look at FIs and totals, which is the way Ultimately, we look at it when you look at how we've performed in FinTech and Payments, if you want to think about it that way, we've been very, very strong and it's the ability to bring out surrounds, That's probably a year to date 7% number. We've been able to bring out surrounds and our banking platforms. And that's really what attracts the new book, so to speak. So we're in deep dialogues I have not seen a slowdown in banks' appetite at all for the things we have.

Speaker 4

Terrific. Thank you.

Operator

Next, we'll go to the line of Jason Kupferberg from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Good morning, guys. Thanks. So on the Acceptance segment, it doesn't sound like your Q4 guide is really contemplating any material change in the trajectory of Overall consumer spending, I was hoping you could maybe give us a little insight into what you've seen in October, both with regards to volume and transaction data, Ex wholesale versus September, let's say, and then any shifts in discretionary versus non discretionary spend categories in the past month? Thanks.

Speaker 3

Yes, Jason. Overall, so far what we've seen in October is very similar to what we saw Through the Q3, consumer continues to be quite resilient. Quite frankly, I'm tired of using the word uncertain. We've lived in a pretty uncertain environment for the last three Plus years and probably a lot earlier than that. There are certainly some verticals within our overall merchant book That are softer than others.

Speaker 3

Roughly half of our merchant volume is our merchant revenue is Discretionary, but in non discretionary, so we're nice balanced there. We're certainly seeing some softness In retail, restaurants continue to be quite steady. So overall, obviously, very early in the quarter. And Holiday spending, the December month is a big part of the quarter, but so far right in line with what we saw in Q3.

Speaker 7

Okay. Good to hear. And just on the FinTech segment, it looks like you need to see maybe a little bit of organic growth acceleration in Q4 against a bit of Tougher comp to get to the low end of that 4% to 6% guide. Can you just parse out some of the drivers there and your visibility on that? Thanks guys.

Speaker 3

Yes. I think in order to reach the low end of that guidance that we talked about, the low end of the 4% to 6%, And we've got to repeat the 6% organic growth that we saw in the 4th quarter. To your point, yes, it's against a tougher Comparison in Q4 versus Q3 of last year, obviously, we've got some implementations. These are long cycle implementations. And as those go live, you get some ramp on that revenue.

Speaker 3

And that does take time. So some of it went live in Q3 and we'll see acceleration into Q4. We'll see new clients going live in Q4. Obviously, there's ongoing swings or variability in the periodic revenue In order to deliver that 4% on a full year basis, I think as Frank pointed out, Our financial institutions clients look to us for a broad suite of software and services and The combined FinTech and payments business, which is really where we go to market with our financial institution clients, It is up 7% organically on a year to date basis, pretty steady, stronger Q1, Good Q2, good Q3. We expect to close out the year at that rate, that level.

Speaker 3

Overall, financial institution clients continue to look to us to provide services and anticipate that continuing in Q4 and into next year.

Operator

Next, we'll go to the line of Dan Dolev from Mizuho Securities. Go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey, great quarter. Congrats. I was particularly interested in the Melio partnership. Frank, can you maybe give us some more color, if you think like 2, 3 years out, how could this change the way people think of HiServ In terms of kind of its B2B capabilities, Zelle, all the projects that you're hopefully planning to do with them? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Yes. I'm thinking if I necessarily want them to think about us change Or think about this is who we are. The ability to distribute great ability to our outstanding client base. And I want to make the point that this product Works really, really well with our bill pay check free product and allows us To go to our SMBs exclusively in the FI channel with it And allow our banks to actually ultimately have a new offering that will increase their fee Yes, it will also be distributed to our ISV clients and our Clover clients, but there are many clients that do not receive payments ViaCard. And this is taking something to the whole swath of them that we did I have used to expect us in markets in the summer of 'twenty four on it.

Speaker 2

And once again, we're helping our bank partners bring more product and grow their revenue much like we do in the merchant business. And We're adding to the stickiness of our SMB portfolio.

Speaker 8

Great. Thank you and congrats again on an amazing quarter.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Dan. Good to hear from you.

Operator

Next, we'll go to the line of Dave Koenig from Baird. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Yes. Hey, guys. Great job. And maybe on Just the merchant acquiring industry, there's been the fears of commoditization, but if anything, you've shown the strongest growth in years. Your yields have Been going up, not down.

Speaker 9

But what about churn? Like have you seen noticeable improvement in churn or retention really The last few quarters as well?

Speaker 2

Yes. But I think it's good to step back For a second here, because we've been in a multi year transformation that Has allowed us to produce what we're producing today. That would include clover. That would include building a business in Brazil. That Bringing clover to Argentina, right?

Speaker 2

So there's a lot of dimensions to how we are, where we are. The ability to drive ARPU in our base, to get the wholesale processing business, which we talked Talked about being $1,000,000,000 of revenue and flat. But that business is like 40% of our volume. In that core direct business that we continue to grow, you should continue us to bring more product in And just make those relationships stickier. And what we see is when we have 3 to 4 products in a client, The churn is best in class and that's why we're so focused on ARPU and more clients.

Speaker 2

Yes. In single dimensional clients that aren't Clover, you see higher churn.

Speaker 9

Great. Thanks. And one quick follow-up. What was the Q2 number For Q3 the volume ex processing of 6%, what was that number in Q2?

Speaker 3

David, I actually don't have that right at my fingertips. It's not a number we disclosed previously. Let me get that. But I think one of the elements or one of the reasons we disclosed that and brought that to everybody this year To me, this quarter is to talk about exactly what Frank just pointed out is this long term Transition from years ago being a processing only business to now a full Service capability, merchant acquirer. In our March 2022 investor conference on our merchant business, We talked extensively about building out that Clover software value added services capability becoming an operating We have an operating system for SMB clients.

Speaker 3

We have an operating system for enterprise clients. And so as the processing Eases a bit from a volume standpoint, the impact to the revenue is A fraction of the processing volume delta. And in many cases that processing volume becomes merchant Acquiring volume at a much better value point for the company because not only are we doing the merchant acquiring, but we're selling the value added services. And that delta you saw in Q3 from an overall volume to essentially And enterprise plus SMB volume at 6% is more representative of the overall volume opportunity for the company, and that's why you're seeing a very strong Organic growth rate in the merchant segment this quarter, last quarter, last year, the previous year.

Speaker 9

Yes. All good. Thanks guys.

Operator

Next, we'll go to the line of Ramsey El Assal from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Hi. Thanks so much for taking my question this morning. I wanted to ask about the margin outperformance you guys are seeing. And taking a step back thinking About it in terms of how much is driven by a better business mix, meaning more Clover Software, Zelle, etcetera, versus Sort of a more active expense management or expense control. And I'm just asking in the context of thinking about how sustainable the margin drivers you're seeing this year Maybe kind of over time, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2

Yes. I would say, we're always working on how to make things better, Right. That's just every day we get up how to make it better. How do we make it better for our clients? How do we eliminate Work that's not necessarily how do we deliver better quality, how do we do all that.

Speaker 2

And that's an element of it. The other element of it is high quality revenue growth. And our incremental drop through is very, very strong. So I would say, investment, We've been completely plowed into, meaning we're continuing to Build our business and invest in our business and deploy resource to it. We have we always We're working on productivity and quality.

Speaker 2

We talk about a year of operational excellence, but our incremental drop through rate is very, very strong On the business we have, so I would take it as a mix element. We're never going to be just 1 or the other. As I said in my remarks, we do have a lot of discretionary investment, But we feel great about that. And that's why the Melio product will be out in the summer of 'twenty four, As an example, so high quality revenue, good incremental drop through, continually driving better client stats And productivity, so it's got to be all of it. We don't do just 1.

Speaker 10

Okay. So sort of all of the above. A quick follow-up from me. On the acceptance volumes, how should we think about that wholesale part of the business evolving over time? Do you see kind of a point of stabilization Coming or is this a business that we should sort of think of as kind of winding down very gradually over a long period of time?

Speaker 2

Well, first of all, we talked about it as flat, right? We talked about you should expect it to be fundamentally flat by Now that may mean less volume, even better yield in there, Right. There's a big mix of what's in processing. We have an ISO business and we have a bank processing business. And by the way, tomorrow, we And by the way, tomorrow, we can bid on another piece of processing.

Speaker 2

I view it, as I've always said, and maybe this is just my heritage and it won't ring with everybody, And running a corresponding clearing business and running a wholesale broker dealer, I'm never going to get the corresponding clearing business to be a high Growth. But it's definitely the $1,000,000,000 for us that covers a lot of fixed. But our emphasis is on growing our direct business. So I'll turn it over to Bob, but I want you to have that picture. We don't see it as a 0.

Speaker 2

We said it'd be flat In 2025.

Speaker 3

Yes. Ramsey, that flat that Frank is referring to is when we guided to $10,000,000,000 of Merchant revenue by 2025, and what almost 2 years ago now, we were doing about $900,000,000 call it $900,000,000 or dollars worth of processing revenue, our $10,000,000,000 outlook assumed that that would remain flat over that time period. There will be shifts to volume. You'll get a little bit of pricing. There will be ads.

Speaker 3

There will be deletes. There's some I think I use the term ebbs and flows in the processing volume. But overall, I anticipate it to be about that $1,000,000,000 which means it was Order magnitude, 13%, 14% of our revenue. By 2025, it will end up being 10% of our revenue as we grow The full merchant acquiring capability and continue to grow that at a much faster pace than our processing, but that's a nice $1,000,000,000 Revenue business for us that we're happy to have, and we'll continue to manage that effectively. Great.

Speaker 10

Super helpful. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3

And then before we go to the next question, just going back to, David, your question around The enterprise and SMB volume or volume X processing, it is an acceleration that 6% that We're seeing in Q3 is a bit of an acceleration from Q2 level. So, continuing to see good growth and that's what's driving the top line for us.

Operator

And for our final question, we'll go to Vasu Govil from KBW. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hi, thank you for taking my questions and congrats on a great quarter. I guess my first one for Frank. Frank, CF maybe just released These open banking regulation proposals, assuming that goes into effect sometime next year, is that a big revenue opportunity for 5 service banks have to comply? Or do you think that was sort of already happening organically and so not that meaningful?

Speaker 2

I think it was really organic I mean, but you look at what we just did with plan. We're always going to veer in to Bringing more capability to our bank partners. We're in a client business. We run a huge client franchise. We're out talking to them every day, whether it was what we did at Forum with 3,000 clients Or what we do at the ABA or what we do by having 29 women CEOs here for an all day conference.

Speaker 2

We want to listen to our clients. And so open banking has been going on and we're continuing to align in a way that drives our client franchise.

Speaker 11

Great. Thank you for the color. And then quick one for you, Bob. Just I know last year towards the end of the year, you guys had some pricing benefits that help grab a new go. Just how should we think about the Q4 in terms of spread versus volume growth In the acceptance segment I

Speaker 3

think, yes, I think you'll continue to see good revenue growth As we continue to have deeper penetration of value added services, not only in the small business, but also In the enterprise space, we'll continue to put up very good growth. And as we said, we expect the full year to be in the high On a year to date basis, we're at 7% to 15% organic. So we see another strong quarter ahead of us.

Speaker 11

Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thank you for your participation, everybody. We really appreciate your time and attention.

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