MSA Safety Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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October 25, 2023

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the MSA Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Chris Hepler.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to MSA Safety's 3rd Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. This is Chris Hepler, Executive Director of Corporate Development and Investor Relations. With me today are Nish Martanian, Chairman and CEO Steve Blanco, President and COO and Lee Machieszny, Senior Vice President and CFO. Stephanie Schurlow, President of our Americas segment will be joining us for the Q and A.

Speaker 1

Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that matters discussed during this call may include forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act Forward looking statements involve a number of risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those discussed today. These risks, uncertainties and other factors are detailed in our SEC filings. MSA Safety undertakes no duty We have included certain non GAAP financial measures as part of our discussion this morning. The non GAAP reconciliations are available in the appendix of today's presentation. The presentation and press release are available on our Investor Relations website at investors.

Speaker 1

Msasafety.com. Moving on to today's agenda. 1st, Nish and Steve will discuss key highlights of the quarter. Lee will then review our financial performance and outlook. And to conclude, Nish will provide closing comments, at which time we will open up the call for your questions.

Speaker 1

With that, I'll turn the call over to Nish.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Chris. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for your interest in MSA. I'll start on Slide 4. Since MSA's founding in 1914, we've been a purpose driven company and our mission of safety has been unwavering. The singular focus is fully integrated into our business strategy as reflected by our 2022 Impact Report published in August, which details our efforts to create shared value for all stakeholders.

Speaker 2

We live our purpose every day Through our 3 impact pillars, products and solutions, people and planet. These impact pillars Guide our approach to developing the next generation of safety solutions to make work safer, easier And more productive for people everywhere, keeping our own workforce safe and healthy and conducting our business in a sustainable manner. One way in which we create significant impact and drive value is through continuing to develop innovative products and solutions, such as our connected safety ecosystem and inclusive safety gear to protect diverse workers throughout the world. We continue to evolve our existing product lines by addressing unique safety challenges such as heat stress With solutions like our V Guard C1 hard hat with patent pending Reflect IR thermal barrier technology that can lower the temperature inside the Hard Hat by as much as 20 degrees Fahrenheit or our baccarat multizone refrigerant That is used by grocery chains to quickly detect leaks in the cooling systems that keep our food safe. Early detection of leaks also reduces emissions and mitigates safety incidents, which helps our customers meet their own sustainability goals.

Speaker 2

Additionally, we also live our purpose by promoting safety within our communities. During the 2023 Tour de France, members of the French Federation of Fire Fighters on the Tour's emergency response team Or MSA's Gallet F2XR Rescue Helmets. And Stage 13 of the tour was hosted by The French city of Chateaune, known as the world capital of fire helmets, home to our facility that makes the iconic Gallet Helmet. We also announced an expanded partnership with the National Hockey League's Pittsburgh Penguins in order to drive Broader awareness of our industry leading safety solutions. As the team's official safety sponsor, The MSA Safety brand will be featured on the team's away game helmets and be prominent on game day when the team plays at home at PPG Finally, we're proud to share that MSA's impact continues to be recognized both locally and nationally.

Speaker 2

We were just named 1 of America's Greenest Companies for 2024 by Newsweek and also achieved a Top Workplace Distinction by the Pittsburgh Post Gazette for the 10th time. These awards are the latest examples Of the extensive recognition our team has received for the incredibly important work that we do. I want to thank the entire MSA team for their dedication to our Mission, vision and values as well as to creating the impact that earned us this recognition. I take great pride in our mission and purpose. It's always a pleasure to see our mission in action when I'm on the road meeting with our associates and I recently spent time with our Latin American team in meeting with customers in the region.

Speaker 2

Our team there has made tremendous progress building this region into a very strong, profitable and diversified business across all our product lines. Meeting with associates there, it was energizing to see the team's commitment to our mission of safety and their enthusiasm

Speaker 3

Thanks, Nish, and good morning. I'm on Slide 5. Our MSA team achieved strong results in the quarter with Double digit growth, solid margin expansion and robust cash flow generation. We continue to build momentum across our business as a result of healthy market demand and steady progress in our execution supported by the MSA Business System. Our largest category, firefighter safety, which represents 37% of total sales, has proven to be resilient over the years with stable funding from federal, state and local governments.

Speaker 3

The pipeline and outlook across our head to toe firefighter solutions is strong and we continue to win business across our key product categories. We recently announced that the Pittsburgh Bureau of Fire has continued its partnership with MSA by upgrading to our leading G1 SCBA as part of a $3,100,000 contract award. In addition, we were awarded a $3,900,000 contract for Fresno, California And additional sizable SCBA conversions with customer departments in Georgia. The G1 SCBA is the cornerstone of MSA's connected fire with critical information such as battery life and air pressure for enhanced situational awareness and the ability to easily update as technology changes in the future. We're also seeing further progress with our M1 SCBA designed for the international markets.

Speaker 3

Leveraging our recent win with the London Fire Brigade, we announced a $7,000,000 contract in the quarter to supply firefighters from 5 Fire authorities in the United Kingdom with our M1 SCBA and Connected Firefighter Technologies. In the Q3, growth in firefighter safety was 20% year over year, driven by double digit growth in both breeding apparatus as well as firefighter helmets in protective apparel. Our 2nd largest product category, gas detection, represents 36% of sales. Our fixed gas flame detection and portable gas detection solutions are used throughout the world to help protect workers and keep critical infrastructure and the environment safe. These solutions are used in highly regulated applications across a broad range of end markets.

Speaker 3

There are high barriers of entry across these product categories supported by our broad patent portfolio, proprietary sensor technologies and increasingly software innovation as part of our Connected Work platform. We've built our gas detection portfolio through innovation, as demonstrated through our S and X5000 platforms, as well as our comprehensive lineup of portable gas detectors. Through a series of acquisitions over the last few years, we have expanded our end market exposures to Safety requirements across a broad range of industries. On the portable side, we most recently launched our fully connected Altair IO4 platform. This device leverages MSA's innovative and proprietary technology as well as our connected software platform.

Speaker 3

The IO4 enables customers to increase operational uptime and efficiency and allows them to better manage compliance and maintenance. In addition, our customers have increased safety visibility through real time and historical monitoring and are able to leverage data to provide robust reporting and analytics that drive proactive safety programs. We continue to be pleased with our growth and the interest from our customers for this new platform. In the Q3, we saw double digit growth for both Fixed gas and flame detection and portable gas detection helped in part by an improving supply chain. Fixed gas and flame detection was up 28% year over year and portable gas detection grew at 11%.

Speaker 3

Looking forward, the pipeline and outlook for our gas Now moving on to industrial PPE, which includes head protection, Fall protection and related safety products. During the Q3, fall protection sales increased 15% year over year And head protection grew by 5%. We saw sizable wins in the quarter with new customers such as our innovative VTech io1 self retracting lifeline specifically designed for warehouse applications. While order pace in the quarter was healthy, We continue to watch trends closely across our shorter cycle product lines as we are seeing varying dynamics across our regions. As such, We continue to be conservative on the near term outlook for industrial PPE.

Speaker 3

Before I turn the call over to Lee, I want to thank our associates who have welcomed Me with open arms as I've stepped into the COO role a few months ago. I continue to be impressed with your commitment to our mission and the passion I have seen from our valued colleagues around the world. I will now turn the call over to Lee to cover financial results.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Steve, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining the call today. I will now go into the details of our Let's get started on Slide 6 with the quarterly financial highlights. Sales were $447,000,000 An increase of 17% over the prior year, with positive contributions from each of our businesses and regions. Growth was balanced between unit volume and price in the quarter and currency translation provided a small benefit as well.

Speaker 2

Market conditions, demand trends in our commercial pipeline remained solid during the quarter. Year to date, Our book to bill was slightly greater than 1x. While our backlog remains elevated compared to historical levels and improving supply chain We will continue to focus on sustainably reducing our backlog in the coming quarters. Now moving on to margins. Gross profit margin For the Q3 was 49%, up 4 60 basis points over the prior year and up 120 basis points sequentially.

Speaker 2

On a GAAP basis, operating margin was 21.1% in the quarter. Adjusted operating margin was 22.7%, up 300 basis points over the prior year and incremental operating margin in the quarter was 40% at the high end of our target range. Our robust margin performance was driven by strong volume, positive mix and the benefits of the MSA business system across all elements of the P and L. We continue to be encouraged by the progress we are making on margins across the globe. GAAP net income in the quarter totaled 65,000,000 or $1.65 per diluted share.

Speaker 2

On an adjusted basis, diluted net earnings per share were 1.78 A 23% increase over the prior year. The increase was largely due to higher operating profit, which was partially Higher interest expense and a higher effective tax rate in the quarter. Now I'd like to review our segment performance. In our Americas segment, growth was 14% year over year and was balanced across our regions and product categories with strength in firefighter safety, Gas detection and fall protection. Currency translation was a 2% benefit in the quarter.

Speaker 2

Adjusted operating margin was 29.9 percent and year over year margin expansion was largely driven by higher volume, price cost balance and operational improvement. We also had strong results in our International segment. Growth was 25% year over year and balanced across our regions and product categories with strength in fixed gas and flame detection, breathing apparatus Adjusted operating margin was 17%, representing 900 basis points of expansion compared to the prior year period, driven by strong volume leverage, mix benefits, price cost performance and improved operational productivity. Now turning to Slide 7 on cash flow and leverage. Free cash flow in the quarter was $112,000,000 representing a conversion rate of 160%.

Speaker 2

Free cash flow improved year over year due to higher earnings and solid execution with working capital. During the quarter, We invested $13,000,000 in CapEx, repaid $68,000,000 in debt and returned $18,000,000 in dividends to our shareholders. Our financial position continues to strengthen as we progress through the year. Net leverage at the end of the 3rd quarter was 1.3 times trailing EBITDA. We have now repaid $146,000,000 of debt since our divestiture at the start of the year as a result of Robust cash generation, profitable growth and disciplined investment strategies.

Speaker 2

Net debt At the end of the Q3 was $578,000,000 a sequential reduction of $90,000,000 Adjusted EBITDA for the trailing 12 month Period ended September 30, 2023 was $428,000,000 or 24.7 percent of net sales. The Progress we're making on cash flow and debt reduction provides us with further flexibility as we consider our capital deployment priorities. Looking forward, we continue to evaluate opportunities to enhance our strategic market position and portfolio solutions to help protect workers, critical assets and the environment. Now I'd like to move to our outlook for the remainder of the year on Slide 8. We entered the 4th quarter with strong momentum.

Speaker 2

Our key end markets continue to be healthy, demand trends are supportive and our backlog remains an opportunity. However, the current macroeconomic environment with high interest rates and sustained high levels of inflation is resulting in dynamic operating conditions. With growing uncertainties, we're remaining agile and focused on the elements within our control. Based on the year to date progress and expectations for the Q4, we are raising our outlook for the full year growth to mid teens range. Our outlook balances the many opportunities and the risks we've seen throughout the year.

Speaker 2

To wrap up, we're pleased with our strong performance in the Q3 year to date, which is a result of our team's consistent execution, The durability of our business, the strength of our market positions and the resiliency of our end markets. With that, I'll now turn the call back Thanks, Lee. Moving to Slide 9. We had another quarter of strong results. Our performance demonstrates the Strength of our portfolio and our team's commitment to executing our plan and delivering solutions that enable our customers to operate safely.

Speaker 2

We entered the 4th quarter with balanced optimism as we continue to carefully monitor the macro environment and adjust as necessary. Looking ahead to the longer term, MSA is well positioned to create sustainable shared value for our stakeholders. Over the past several years, Through new product introductions and strategic acquisitions, we've evolved our business to be even more resilient and better positioned to deliver sustainable growth. At MSA, we're driven by our mission and passion for safety. Our business has proven durable Over nearly 110 years, our innovative solutions serve our customers' most critical safety needs.

Speaker 2

We've built a diversified portfolio with market leading positions in firefighter safety, detection and industrial PPE and are poised to deliver sustained growth. The combination of our talented and driven team, differentiated portfolio, Resilient end markets and strong balance sheet positions us to continue delivering sustained shareholder value in the future. With that, I'll turn the call back over to the operator for Q and A.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Stanley Elliott from Stifel. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Good morning, everyone. Congratulations and Thanks for the

Speaker 2

question. Thanks, Tim.

Speaker 4

Nishik, just starting off, maybe talk a little bit about the margins. I mean, if you go back pre COVID, you guys Let's call it a 45% gross margin. You guys are tracking 47% plus right now. Is that all mix? Is that price?

Speaker 4

Maybe help us with some of the things you're doing structurally to drive the margins higher on this.

Speaker 2

Sure, Stanley. I'll kick things off and Lee will give some more color on that. As you know, we've really focused on continuous improvement and operational improvement in The organization, we worked hard to offset inflation and that cost price balance But I'll let Lee provide a little more color on what's transpired here. Yes. Stanley, good morning.

Speaker 2

So I think Inish Give you a good entry point there. Really for the last several years, we've been focusing on gross margin and I think win number 1 was to navigate whether it was incredible inflation levels, FX or just the supply chain challenges of COVID. And I think we won there in Keeping the gross margin in many cases in that 44% to 45% range despite those obstacles and it's the full suite that we talked about in the business system. So obviously pricing, excellence, operational productivity, the things we've done in SG and A to just to become more efficient. If you then pivot to where we are today, all those efforts are still continuing and probably even gaining a little bit of momentum.

Speaker 2

And we don't have we actually have a favorable FX number this quarter. And we don't have to manage as much The cost, I mean, certainly, there's still inflation out there. It's sustaining itself. There's obviously pluses and minuses, but We're managing through that with things like productivity as well. So I think as you look forward, This 47 to 48 zone is probably a good baseline.

Speaker 2

I'd also say Make sure we keep volume in mind. Obviously, this volume has helped, mix has helped. So if those were to pivot the wrong way, we get some pressure there. But we We're comfortable with where we are and we want to keep building from here.

Speaker 5

And I guess kind

Speaker 4

of carrying that on the margin piece to the international, We have nearly 900 points or more. How much of that I know you've been working You on the manufacturing side, not the cost outside, I'm just trying to think of what is the new run rate for that business, assuming volumes Kind of stay in the same level that they are. How should we think about that overall profitability in the international segment?

Speaker 2

Yes. It's a good question. Well, hey, we've made progress. That business for a period of time was just below double digits and we We've had a broad effort to improve that. I do think as you look forward, a business right now is probably in the mid teens.

Speaker 2

When all things go well, you certainly have a nice mix benefit, good volume benefit this quarter. That helps. But I think we are in that zone. And just like we talked about overall from S. A, we want to keep building from there.

Speaker 2

I will remind you that there is a little bit of anomalies 3Q and 4Q for international. Last year, we had a bit of a softer Q3 and a really strong Q4. So it's probably good to look at that from a total half perspective as we go forward here But, hey, we're really happy with the progress we've made there. The team's focused on the right things. I mean, it does speak to really the business system, I think, Continue to grow its roots globally for MSA.

Speaker 4

And then lastly on the guide, on the updated guide, Your 4Q is kind of implying a return to mid single digit sort of sales levels. Is there anything specifically causing that? Maybe it sounds like the backlogs are Still pretty elevated same with order rates or is it just more kind of a return to some normalization?

Speaker 2

Yes. That's I'll say, I appreciate the question because it's important to note that. Hey, with the 4th quarter for us is What we talked about, it was going to be a return to mid single digit zone. We are you have the normal caveats to that. We're not assuming There will be this normal seasonal reduction in backlog, but we're not assuming the backlog is going to get better per se.

Speaker 2

So that could be maybe a potential opportunity. We're going to continue to remain conservative on industrial PPE. It's definitely performed better throughout the year, but it is decelerating. So we're going to be pretty cautious with that as well. And then we are going to lack these price changes, Stanley.

Speaker 2

So If you think about where we perform, we've obviously quite done well on from a volume perspective, but certainly prices helped as well. So we'll be down to really About 1.5 price increases and then it will be more into more balanced zone as we look forward here.

Speaker 4

Perfect. Thanks guys and best of luck.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Stanley.

Operator

The next question comes from Larry De Maria from William Blair. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Good morning.

Speaker 2

Good morning,

Speaker 5

Larry. Hey, guys. Nice quarter. Staying on that topic, maybe you could on this Q4, usually we see nice big Sequential uptick in earnings, it's not quite the case this year. I know there's some puts and takes, but first of all, how do we think about the incrementals?

Speaker 5

Should Should we stay in the upper end of that 30 to 40 range? And when would the next, you know, the right price increases be, I assume, early next year, but maybe you can just clarify And your ability to push through price continuing?

Speaker 2

Lee, why don't you take that? Yes. So I think Normally, Larry, I think first place I'll point you to is the gross margins will drop off a bit. There's definitely a mix element to that 3Q to 4Q. You didn't see that last year because you had the improvements in the supply chain, really some good growth in detection and things like that.

Speaker 2

But you will see That come down, but I mean the I would always say you to mid single digits 30% to 40% incrementals, There's always anomalies to that depending on the year over year. We had a particularly strong Q4 last year. So I think you'll see the incrementals in the Q4 be a little bit lower, But that's really just uniqueness to the quarter and things like that. As we look forward, it's still very much mid single digit 30% to 40% incrementals and really Nice strong cash flow as well.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then when you say lower incremental, you mean in the lower side of 30 to 4 or lower than 3Q?

Speaker 2

Yes, I'd say lower than 3Q and probably a little bit lower than the 30% to 40% just because of those anomalies because we're on a very high side In the Q4 last year, Larry.

Speaker 5

Got you. Okay. And your ability to continue to push

Speaker 2

So Larry, on the price increase, we've done a nice job in price and getting that price cost balance out there in the marketplace. We anticipate and have announced that we'll in parts of the world already and we plan to do this on a global basis to have a price increase in January. The price increase will be a bit more moderated than we've had in the past as we've seen costs go up in a more moderated manner. So we continue to keep expect to keep pace with our costs and that's part of the equation of that Gross profit piece and keeping that in alignment.

Speaker 5

Okay. That makes sense. A couple more. Can you maybe comment on the digital Sort of recurring, IO4. I know you mentioned a little bit on the prepared comments, but are we getting Material orders and changeovers on that business yet or is that possible in 2024?

Speaker 5

Just some color as we kind of shift that model over.

Speaker 2

Sure, Larry. I'm really excited about that. We're we've launched that. We've had a lot of good activity and interest in that. And I'll let Steve provide a little more color around what we've seen and what we expect going forward.

Speaker 3

Hey, good morning, Larry. So when you think of the industrial connected work platform and we talked about the IO-four, you heard that in my prepared comments. We're selling this as a Subscription service, so it is recurring revenue. It really we feel really good because it does connect workers to the overall site, enabling customers To make real time decisions for their safety and efficiency, over half of the orders we've received are new customers, which has been a real positive. But it is a small base.

Speaker 3

It's growing rapidly, and we expect that to Continue going forward. We're getting really good feedback. As a matter of fact, Stephanie Shulow was just at the NSC, the National Safety Congress this week and meeting with our channel partners and customers. And maybe Stephanie, you could share a little feedback that we got on the Connected Work platform.

Speaker 6

Sure. Thanks, Steve, and good morning, Larry. We are seeing really good uptake on the product and positive feedback for all the reasons that Steve mentioned. Throughout the fall, I've been traveling the region, as Steve said, just down at NSC, one of our major industrial trade shows. I met with some key distributors and customers.

Speaker 6

And our connected experts hosted a special educational session at the show just yesterday. It was standing room only and I continue to hear Strong interest from customers. So industry is interested in these types of safety solutions and for all of the reasons that we talked about this morning, Especially that increased visibility into worker safety, defined fleet management and asset tracking and Simplification of compliance overall.

Speaker 5

Okay. Thanks, Daphne. Thanks, Steve, and good luck, everybody. Thank you, Larry.

Operator

Our next question comes from Rob Mason from Baird. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Good morning, Rob. Based on the commentary with book to bill a little over 1, it Suggest your orders were, I'm estimating up mid single, maybe up even as much as high single digit against a pretty tough comparison a year ago So could you parse that down, the order activity in the quarter down a little further, I guess addressing across the 3 main areas you cover, 3 main end markets.

Speaker 2

Sure. Again, your conclusion there is correct And what we've seen as far as the bookings of orders, they've been strong throughout the year, right? Our book to bill has been slightly positive for the Year to date and Q3 was also positive. So Lee can give a little more color and some detail on that. Yes, I'll add to that.

Speaker 2

So I always caution not to get overreacting to any 1 quarter, but we certainly talked about this last quarter. The book to bill For the halfway point was just about 1, and you had 2 quarters, 1 was positive, 1 was negative. This quarter certainly played out and actually It's just slightly above 1, so it's still in that same vein. And obviously, if you do the math and you know what our sales number is, you cannot figure out what the orders number is. So your math is good math there.

Speaker 2

I think as we look forward here, we like that we've made progress with backlog, When we reduce our backlog, it means we're returning orders faster, we're serving our customer, meeting our mission at even a faster clip. There's still some opportunity out there. It's certainly not what it was a year ago at this time. If I looked at backlog right now, it's probably 30% or something like that higher than oncadir stack. It will come down in the Q4.

Speaker 2

That's what normally happens in the Q4, so no surprise there. But hey, as we look forward, again, this is why we have this balanced optimism About mid single digit growth, even in a challenged macro environment, we have a good backlog. We have matched Year to date, those really strong sales numbers with really good order numbers and kept that backlog where it is. And yes, There's things going on in the world, but we serve a lot of industries. We're well positioned in our product lines.

Speaker 2

And as we look back to maybe challenge macroeconomic times, we've done well. And so again, that's why We still sit here today saying, hey, you look out over the next couple of years over a cycle, that mid single digit growth is a safe assumption and a reason to invest in MSNA.

Speaker 7

Very good. Just as a follow-up on that, if you could speak to the gas detection business or maybe energy more broadly speaking, just Any perspective there as to where you feel that business resides within any type of cycle, Whether it's mid cycle, later cycle, and I guess I'm referencing more of the project related activity on that end. And just while you mentioned that things going on in the world, just how you feel about the Middle East aspects of that business right now?

Speaker 2

So Rob, overall and I'll have some comments and pass on to Steve. Steve was just in the Middle East and have him add a little more color on what he saw Last week when he was there and visited some customers and channel partners and spent time with our organization of course. But overall, The business is solid when it comes to our gas detection space within the energy markets. We talk about oil and gas and then The utility business remains strong as we build out the electric grid throughout The Americas, I think that business will continue to do well. It's hard to put my finger on where we are, whether early days Or midstream as far as the cycle for that.

Speaker 2

Certainly demand for oil and gas has been strong And we're back up above and got back above 100,000,000 barrels a day demand on a global basis. And there's a lot of concern about filling that pipeline for that amount of oil. And so there's a lot of activity on projects and refineries. So that business remains pretty good. The That was one of the things that we really focused on in building our portfolio is getting a good balanced portfolio Where we could thrive in different cycles of business.

Speaker 2

So the baccarat business also provides us a good balance within the portfolio. But from my perspective, the oil and gas business continues to look good. The overall energy market looks good. Steve, maybe you could speak specific to the Middle East.

Speaker 3

Yes, Rob, I would add a couple of things. So if you think of the Middle East and I was there as Nish said last week, the team is very, very optimistic, met with Some of our key customers and they look at the project work and what's coming forward very positively. I would share that it's a little unique, I think, and maybe we're in a different time, because certainly the oil and gas Needs will continue and we know that that's the case and there's some strong investment going on there. But the clean energy investment on top of that, Like hydrogen, which we play in that as well is a real positive that we believe will be a nice tailwind to our business, especially in fixed gas And portable gas detection. So they're very bullish on that.

Speaker 3

A lot of investment, a lot of discussions going on, on further investment. And it's not just the Middle East. If you think of the energy market And we look at where we play, certainly the Middle East, but we also believe Latin America and North America We'll continue to be critical areas for energy needs going into the future.

Speaker 7

Excellent. If I could squeeze in one last one, just around the balance sheet, deleveraging has been Pretty rapid this year to date. Just curious where your priorities are from here Trick, any commentary around what you've seen around valuations in M and A side year to date? Lee, why

Speaker 2

don't you take that? Yes. So appreciate the question number 1. So obviously, very consistent in what we do here. We invest in the business, the core organic business, whether that's NPD, How we go to market, that's our first objective.

Speaker 2

Certainly consistently pay our dividend, been doing that since The 1940s have been paying an increasing dividend for over 50 years, no change there. And then obviously this year we have focused on Some debt pay down and haven't done our normal share count maintenance because we just want to get the debt levels down, but that's something we'd obviously do as well. So that then leads to what do you do, because we do generate a lot of cash and we've done that for consistently For decades, that's enabled us to do 4 deals in the last 5 years. I think we've shown that we have the ability to do those deals. I do think a big part of that is we're highly selective in what we do.

Speaker 2

It's got to be tied to our strategy. It's got to hit the financial hurdles we're looking for. And obviously, as we continue to have more success, those hurdles actually go up. They do not go down. So with that said, hey, the market It is active.

Speaker 2

I definitely would say we've had the normal post Labor Day surge of activity. I think prices, if We have a maybe a 2 year mindset on, they have come down a bit, which is good, because the cost to do a deal has gone up. So that should enable, again, if the financials hit for some things to happen, Chris, Stephanie, Bob are Certainly very active in the marketplace and making those connections. We are having those conversations, but again, we will do something if it makes sense

Speaker 5

and

Speaker 7

Very good. Thanks again.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Rob.

Operator

There are no more questions in the queue. This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Chris Hepler for any closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you. We appreciate you joining the call this morning. If you missed the portion of the call, an audio replay will be made available later today on our Investor Relations website and will be available for the next 90 days. We look forward to updating you again on our continued progress again next quarter.

Operator

Conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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