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Earnings HistoryForecast AptarGroup EPS ResultsActual EPS$1.39Consensus EPS $1.28Beat/MissBeat by +$0.11One Year Ago EPSN/AAptarGroup Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$893.00 millionExpected Revenue$889.92 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$3.08 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/AAptarGroup Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date10/25/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateThursday, October 26, 2023Conference Call Time9:00AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by AptarGroup Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrOctober 26, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:02Welcome to Aptar's 2023 Third Quarter Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. Introducing today's conference call is Mrs. Mary Scoffidas, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Communications, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:22Thank you. Hello, everyone, and thanks for being with us Joining me on today's call are Stephan Tanda, President and CFO and Bob Kuhn, Executive Vice President and CFO. Our press release and accompanying slide deck have been posted on our website under the Investor Relations page. During this call, We will be discussing certain non GAAP financial measures. These measures are reconciled to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure in our press release, which was disseminated yesterday. Speaker 100:00:52Please refer to the press release. As always, we will post a replay of this call on our website. I would now like to turn it over to Stephan Tanda. Stephan, over to you. Speaker 200:01:04Thank you, Mary, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us on the call today. I will begin my remarks by highlighting our results for the Q3. Later in the call, Bob Kyun, our CFO, will provide additional details. Starting on Slide 3, for the Q3, Aptar achieved core sales growth of 2% and delivered double digit EPS growth of $1.39 per share Due to continued strong demand for our proprietary pharma dosing and dispensing systems as well as our fragrance dispensing technologies, We experienced significant margin improvement in the quarter with an adjusted EBITDA margin of about 22%, A 4 point increase over the prior year's quarter. Speaker 200:01:50The margin improvement was driven by a strong focus on cost management across the company and the better mix from relatively faster sales growth in pharma. In quarter 3, robust demand for our proprietary pharma drug delivery systems, which grew across multiple therapeutic applications, including allergic rhinitis, Emergency medicines, central nervous system therapeutics, nasal saline rinse solutions, Eye Care and cold and cough as well as asthma and COPD therapies. In the last year, There has been a lot of focus from our shareholder base on sales of our unidose drug delivery dispensing system for NARCAN and generic naloxone. As this emergency medicine has gone over the counter or OTC, we have certainly seen solid growth in this important life saving application. In addition, we also want to highlight our proprietary by dose dispensing system for J and J's Spravato, which has also been a strong contributor to our growth this year. Speaker 200:03:00Recently, a study published by the New England Journal of Medicine outlined the positive benefits for patients using SPRAVATO. This drug targeting treatment resistant depression in adults is delivered in a bidose Liquid Nasals Free System that underwent numerous human use studies to ensure optimal positioning and consistent dosages Are delivered with every administration. The medicine is administered as a nasal spray. This is absorbed by the lining The nasal passages and into the bloodstream. This nasal delivery supports rapid and appreciable absorption into the bloodstream. Speaker 200:03:41Relative to an IV formulation, the nasal route of delivery provides a noninvasive and more convenient dosing option for patients and physicians and is associated with a reduced likelihood of dosing errors. We are proud of the role our dispensing systems play in helping making critical medication More easily administered. Nasally delivered therapies for neurological diseases like depression is a growing area of focus for our customers. Over the last few quarters, we have talked about our pharma service offerings. These are a small part of our overall revenue, but help to position us as a partner of Choice for pharma companies large and small. Speaker 200:04:23We are very honored that our pharma service group has been awarded a new contract by the U. S. Food and Drug Administration studying opportunities for low global warming potential propellant solutions for metered dose inhalers. This contract recognizes and reinforces our thought leadership and expertise in the inhalation space and also highlights our focus on sustainability, which we know is a differentiator and competitive advantage. In our Beauty segment, we saw continued healthy demand for our dispensing solution for Prestige and Mass Fragrance. Speaker 200:05:00Demand for fragrance pumps continue to be driven by growth in Europe and Latin America. Sales for our fragrance sampling solutions also grew modestly in Europe. Additionally, Fusion PKG, our full packaging solution provider in North America, had Having said that, Beauty North America overall continues to be substantially below 2019 volumes, especially in Personal Care. However, in recent weeks, we are starting to see a pickup in orders for some end markets as inventories approach normal levels for certain SKUs. Now turning to Slide 4, I would like to highlight a few products and medications that launched in the quarter featuring our technology. Speaker 200:05:58In pharma, Aptar's 7 year collaboration with Halion led to the launch of a needle spray technology with an innovative side push button to activate the spray. This patented intuitive and more consumer friendly lateral control system technology by Aptar, a first of its kind, Features a shorter nozzle, which means more comfort when using the product, while the one push button provides more accurate dosing. In addition, Aptar's metered dose inhaler valve is featured on the Brenya inhalation aerosol, the 1st FDA approved generic version of Symbicort. In the European beauty market, Aptot's fragrance and lotion pumps are featured on Jean Paul Gaultier's divine brand products by Puj. In Asia, our Airless technology is the refillable dispensing solution for new facial skincare product by the brand, Suban. Speaker 200:06:55Turning to sustainable solutions, we've expanded our sampling portfolio to include monomaterial paper fragrance sampling, which LVMH is now featuring for a top fragrance brand. Finally, our post consumer recycled resin pump It's the dispensing technology for Estee Lauder's MEK brand foundation in North America. For closures in North America, McCormack is now featuring our closure on their new spice package and our snap up dispensing closure for inverted packaging is providing Controlled dispensing for SC Johnson's OFF insect repellent lotion in Latin America. As we mentioned at our recent Investor Day, We have additional information to share around our focus on footprint rationalization and reduction of manufacturing costs. To that end, we have started a second process with our European and French labor representatives to shut down our closure facility in Poissy, As we have stated before, these processes take time. Speaker 200:07:59We will share more information with you As we can and expect to start realizing savings from this plant closure by mid to late 2024 and full run rate savings Our SG and A as a percentage of sales is on track to be around 16% for the full year 2023. Finally, I would like to touch on an ESG update. Earlier this month, we were recognized by 3BL Media and by ISS ESG for our transparency and performance in categories such as climate change, Stakeholders and Society, Human Rights and ESG performance for the 3rd consecutive year. We are ranked number 34 on the list of the 100 Best Corporate Citizens. Before I hand the call over to Bob, I also want to highlight that in September, we added a new Board member, Sarah Glickman, the CFO of Criteo. Speaker 200:08:57Sarah is a highly accomplished executive with more than 30 years of global, financial and deep operational experience in diverse industries With such companies as Novartis, Honeywell and Bristol Myers Squibb. Speaker 300:09:11And with that, over to you, Bob. Thank you, Stefan, and good morning, everyone. Starting on Slide 5, I would like to summarize the quarter. Our reported sales increased 7%. When we neutralize for currencies and acquisitions, our core sales grew 2% in significant part due to strong demand for our proprietary drug delivery systems as well as solid demand for fragrance dispensing technologies, while the challenging environment for personal care and home care Continued in the Q3. Speaker 300:09:43As shown on Slide 6, we reported 3rd quarter adjusted earnings per share of $1.39 This represents a 39% increase over prior year adjusted EPS. We achieved adjusted EBITDA of $193,000,000 which was an increase of 26% from the prior year's Q3, driven by strong operational performance and ongoing cost management. Turning to some of the details by segment for the quarter. Our Pharma segment's core sales increased 8%. Approximately 6% of the continued growth came from increased volumes, especially for our proprietary drug delivery systems. Speaker 300:10:24Looking at sales in the pharma segment by market, prescription core sales increased 20%, primarily due to continued strong demand For dosing and dispensing technologies for allergic rhinitis, emergency medicine, central nervous system therapeutics And asthma and COPD therapies. Consumer Healthcare core sales increased 14%, driven by higher sales for nasal saline rinse solutions, Eye Care and Cough and Cold Applications. When looking at our Injectables division, core sales increased 6%. Turning to our Active Material Science Solutions, core sales decreased 23%, of which 17% was due to less tooling revenue, as well as a decrease in active vials used for our diabetes care products and decreased demand in sales of our products used on probiotics, which had experienced rapid growth in the prior year's quarter. Pharma's adjusted EBITDA margin was 35% for the quarter, an improvement of about 4 points over the same period last year. Speaker 300:11:27This also includes start up costs for the injectables division capacity expansion of approximately 2,000,000 We expect start up costs in the range of $2,000,000 to $3,000,000 in Q4. Overall, Our Beauty segment's core sales increased 2% due to the ongoing challenges in North America. Europe continues to Latin America saw healthy demand for mass Fragrance Solutions and Asia also saw a slight growth in the quarter. Fragrance Solutions for the Prestige and Mass markets continued to perform well with core sales for these dispensing solutions growing double digits in the quarter. Looking at the Beauty segment by market, Beauty core sales, which represents 64% of Beauty segment sales, Increased 14%, driven by higher tooling sales as well as higher sales in both Prestige and Mass Fragrance. Speaker 300:12:28Personal Care core sales decreased 15% as lower demand in several end use categories in North America persisted. Europe had modest sales growth, primarily due to sales of our products used in hair care and sun care applications. Home Care core sales decreased 24% due to lower sales in North America across several categories, including air care and surface disinfectants. This segment's adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was about 13%. This is more than a 0.5 point improvement over the same period last year. Speaker 300:13:03The closure segment core sales decreased 9% compared with the prior year's quarter. Approximately 6% of the decrease for the current quarter is due to lower resin costs. While product volumes improved in food and especially in beverage dispensing closures in the quarter, they could not fully offset the decline in volumes Looking at the closure segment by market, food core sales decreased 11%. The decline in sales was driven by lower tooling sales, which accounted for 8% of the decrease and pass throughs of lower resin costs. BeverageCore sales increased 3% due to strong sales in Europe, which is our largest beverage market and in North America. Speaker 300:13:48In the quarter, we saw increased demand for bottled water and concentrates. Personal Care core sales decreased 24% due primarily to lower global demand. In our 4th category, which includes beauty, home care and health care, Core sales increased 24%, mainly due to tooling sales. The segment's adjusted EBITDA margin was around 15%. This represents a 3 point improvement over the same period last year, even with the decline in sales due to our continued focus on cost management as well as the effects of passing on lower resin costs. Speaker 300:14:24Our total CapEx spend for the Q3 of 2023 was $76,000,000 With the majority going to our Pharma segment, the 3 large capital projects are winding down, making up about 15% of our total CapEx spend for the quarter, with the majority allocated to our injectables capacity expansion. As a reminder, our injectables capacity expansion will come online in phases and be ready for commercialization at the beginning of 2025. Reported depreciation and amortization expense increased 9% over the prior year quarter to approximately $63,000,000 or 7% of sales. Slide 7 and 8 cover our year to date performance and show the 3% core sales growth and our adjusted earnings per share, which were $3.57 up 22% compared to 2 point 92 a year ago, including comparable exchange rates. Year to date cash flow from operations was $356,000,000 up from $306,000,000 due to the improvements in earnings. Speaker 300:15:30Moving to Slide 9, which summarizes our outlook for the 4th quarter. We anticipate our strong momentum to continue and expect 4th quarter adjusted earnings per share, excluding any restructuring expenses, acquisition costs And changes in the unrealized fair value of equity investments to be in the range of $1.06 to $1.14 per share. The estimated tax rate range for the Q4 is 24% to 26%. As a reminder, in the 4th quarter, We expect to have a $0.02 to $0.03 impact in start up costs from our injectables expansion program. Additionally, we are expecting some currency tailwinds compared to the prior year. Speaker 300:16:10For example, the euro rate for the prior year Q4 was $1.02 and our guidance for the coming quarter is assuming a $1.06 rate. We have said that roughly for every one point move in the euro rate, That equates to roughly $0.02 per share for the full year. So for the coming quarter, we expect to be looking at approximately a $0.02 currency benefit on earnings compared to the prior year due to the euro rate as well as other currency movements. We currently estimate depreciation and amortization for 2023 to be between $240,000,000 to $245,000,000 Our capital expenditures in 2023, net of any government Grants is estimated to be around $300,000,000 including a capacity expansion investment for our pharma proprietary drug delivery systems. In closing, we continue to have a strong balance sheet with a leverage ratio of 1.6@quarterend, which allows us to continue to invest in the business, pursue strategic opportunities and continue to return value to shareholders in the form of dividends and share repurchases. Speaker 300:17:18In addition to our cash dividend payment to shareholders, which totaled $26,900,000 in the quarter, we repurchased approximately 66,000 shares for $8,300,000 At this time, Stephane will provide a few closing comments before we move to Q and A. Speaker 200:17:34Thanks, Bob. In the 1st 9 months of 2023, we have delivered very strong results and showed exceptional growth during our 2 biggest quarters, Quarter 2 and quarter 3. We expect quarter 4 will continue our trend of double digit adjusted EPS growth over the prior year period. While quarter 4 tends to be a smaller quarter for us, we expect our Pharma and Fragrance franchises to finish the year strong. In the Q4, we expect robust demand for our proprietary pharma drug delivery system to continue. Speaker 200:18:09Our fragrance dispensing solutions finish On a high note for 2023, and we look forward to an improving environment in North America, especially for our personal care dispensing solutions, As we believe the worst of the destocking will be behind us. As we look ahead to 2024, our proprietary drug delivery systems have Seeing significant growth, some of that can be attributed to distribution channels refilling to more normal levels following destocking due to COVID. Narcan and generic naloxone versions going over the counter has also helped spur our growth this year. While the launch of this new distribution channel will not repeat next year, adoption of this life saving drug continues to expand. We expect our proprietary pharma drug delivery systems to continue to grow in 2024 within the long term core sales target of 7% to 11%. Speaker 200:19:07Our injectable division will be ramping up new capacity for higher value products through the end of 2024. Over the past year, our dispensing devices for fragrances have also seen tremendous growth. 2023 has been a catch up year For the Q4 and for 2024, you have seen measurable improvement in our SG and A as a percentage of sales and reduced manufacturing fixed costs, which we expect to continue in quarter 4 and into 2024. And we're excited about the growth opportunities across each of our segments for next year, taking advantage of our increased operating leverage as cost reduction efforts become more visible in the P and L. With that, I now would like to open the call for your questions. Operator00:20:24Thank Our first question comes from George Staphos Speaker 400:20:51The first one is, Stephane and Bob, can you talk to you mentioned that you're excited about 2024. Are there any of your key end markets or product lines that we should expect will be growing below Your long term target range to the extent that you have any visibility, and should we take from your comments recognizing that it's Still early that you expect to see overall earnings growth in 2024. The second question I had, During your Analyst Day, you cited not only are you going to be trying to reduce SG and A, But you have a goal for combined SG and A plus fixed costs within COGS. Where did you Speaker 200:21:49Hi, George. Thanks for the questions. I mean, obviously, we don't give guidance for 2024, but to What you just heard me say is that we are energized for 2024. I mean, when you think about it, Our proprietary dispensing devices, yes, grew double digit, but we expect them to continue to grow within the target range Next year, injectable will not have the ERP issue repeat. For active materials, The tough COVID comparison will have washed out and we see Active Materials return to growth. Speaker 200:22:31Digital Health is Still a drag, but there will be less of a drag. And fragrance, we expect to continue to grow, albeit at lower rates as The comparisons get tougher and we fully expect North America to normalize and we see some green shoots in the 4th quarter. And China will or China is albeit slowly is growing again And progressing. So that all adds up to certainly an expectation of growth in line with our growth targets. And yes, given all the cost work we do that Speaker 500:23:13with the Speaker 200:23:13increased operating leverage that should Result in solid earnings growth, without giving a guidance for next year. Now, on your second question, you see the significant And EBITDA margin expansion across the board, all three segments have seen EBITDA margin expansion and that of course comes From higher gross margins, from lower fixed cost in the factories and we are by far not done. So What you see now is things that we started a year ago starting to bleed into the P and L. As we discussed Previously, the actions in France that we started a year ago only are being implemented now. And now we start The second tranche, which is the shutdown of the Poincie site, which you will only see in the P and L second half of next year, These things have a long lead time. Speaker 200:24:12So we certainly expect to continue to work and make sure that we have good operating leverage and Strong top line growth leads to even stronger bottom line growth. Speaker 400:24:26So just kind of a quick follow on, and I appreciate all that. From the Analyst Day deck, I think you said SG and A and fixed COGS as a percentage of sales, you're going to drop that about 2 points from 21 to 25. Where does that ratio stand right now relative to the starting point? Thanks, guys. I'll turn it over. Speaker 200:24:44Well, This is not something we disclose externally. What we disclose externally is the SG and A ratio. And that we expect We'll see you in the year at 16%. Quarter 3 was actually lower. But given that we always have the equity The rewards in the Q1, it averages out to probably 16% for the year. Speaker 500:25:0616.1 through Q3. And we expect to be at 16 Year to date by the time we finish the year. But overall, George, I think we can say that we are tracking to where we expected to be for the combined metric. Operator00:25:26Our next question is from Gabe Hajde from Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:25:34Sasan, Bob, Mary, good morning. Maybe just to dial in a little bit, you know, the saying dividends take a mile. In the Pharma segment, Can you just remind us, I think there was around, if we include start up costs, dollars 25,000,000 of ERP and start up in 2023. Does this all go away next year? And then Should we also assume contribution from the growth that we would get in injectables or anything else that we need to be mindful of? Speaker 600:26:11And then given the I guess the maybe a little bit more rich mix of Rx versus Some of the other elements within pharma, would you expect, I guess, moderation adjusting for Those other startup costs and ERP in profitability in pharma or how should we think about that? Speaker 200:26:37Yes. I mean, on the first question, clearly the ERP cost, especially in the first two quarters and Now we continue to build out the Grand Ville II factory And that will have equipment and trial productions and labor present and no revenue for that. So we will continue to have If you want to start up direct, we don't quantify it yet. We'll probably give that when we do Q4. It will be a bit less, but still There will be something next year, but compared to the ERP cost, it's obviously much smaller. Speaker 200:27:18Then on your mix question, yes, If injectables and active materials grow much faster compared to Rx and CHC, you will have A negative mix effect on the other side, as we just said, you will have costs that go away with the ERP system. So We're not going to give you the end result of that in advance here as it plays out. Plus, we have cost work again across the board to do. I know, Paphr, do you want to add anything? Yes. Speaker 500:27:53The only thing I would say is, I think, Gabe, our number, the injectables, ERP and start up costs The year is probably closer to $20,000,000 than I think you mentioned $25,000,000 and we'll have another couple of pennies Or $2,000,000 $2,000,000 to $3,000,000 in Q4 of this year. Speaker 600:28:14Okay. And then switching gears, I guess, to redeployment and or cash generation. I think you talked about CapEx Starting to migrate back closer to D and A, I just want to kind of confirm that. And then as you look across, I mean, our model has you shaking out around 1.4x, 1.5x levered. At the end of this year, anything in terms of the M and A pipeline That we should be thinking about or would the preferred avenue be kind of dividend and repo as we look Speaker 500:28:53So we're still a little bit above, Gabe, on the CapEx. So for the quarter, We spent about $76,000,000 Most of the amount above the D and A, which is about 63,000,000 And the quarter is really coming from the run out of the 3 big projects, primarily the injectables Expansion. Speaker 200:29:20And I would say, obviously, when You see the growth that we have in pharma. Those are not we will continue to make sure that we have capacity available, especially in lifesaving That seems we will not expand capacity to get to certain CapEx numbers, especially in these areas They're close double digit at the moment. Speaker 500:29:43Yes. And then I think on your comment on the deleveraging by year end, so we're at about 1.6. We were able to take it down from the 1.8 that we were and that's primarily due to a really strong cash Generation, free cash flow generation in the quarter, which was about $97,000,000 compared to 55 Last year in Q3, so year to date, we're about 124. And again, we're continuing to focus on working capital As well as the margin improvement that you've seen in Q3. Now with respect to your M and A question, we continue to have an active M and A pipeline and look at opportunities along the Speaker 200:30:28lines that we have done before technologies, Geographic opportunities, venturing type investments. So we continue our M and A Activity unabatedly for every 10 deals you study or work on, maybe one happens. Clearly, the high interest rates gives the sponsors a pause, which may help us a little bit, Because we never look at these high leverage ratios. On the other hand, we also recognize that our cost of capital has gone up With higher interest rates. So we continue to be a disciplined player in this game. Operator00:31:15Our next question comes from Ghansham Panjabi from Baird. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:31:22Good morning, everybody. On the Rx growth of 20% and OTC of 14% in 3Q, At least part of that seems to be driven by new products and related inventory build for products such as NARCAN. Can you help us dimensionalize the potential headwind from a volume point as you cycle through the inventory build comparisons thinking out to 2024 or do you not see that as material at this point? Speaker 200:31:47Well, certainly, we don't see that we will keep growing at these rates. On the other hand, there is not a day that goes by where we don't Pickup personally reports of the nontraditional channel continuing to Band, whether it's school, whether it's communities, if it's fire department. So, yes, the OTC channel Edit has added pipeline fill, but NARCAN is Increasingly pervasive and that we see continue some growth there. Plus, given That the nasal delivery route is increasingly seen as an attractive shortcut to the brain, if you want. We also see the pipeline continue to fill. Speaker 200:32:44So, yes, of course, those double digit or high double digit growth rates will not Continue, but we also don't see a significant decline or anything like that, but more in line with our pharma growth rates. Speaker 700:33:00Okay. And then for my second question on Personal Care, which seems it seems awfully weak across the board. Is there a category or customer mix issue that is weighing on this And this segment for you and then for fragrance, which the whole supply chain ecosystem has called out as strong, how sustainable do you think this is in context So, uneven consumer spending that we're seeing in so many other categories. Speaker 200:33:23It's really completely different dynamics. In Personal Care, it is predominantly the U. S. Destocking issue. And we see that running its course I have several anecdotes where customers say, hey, we're still fine, leave us alone. Speaker 200:33:45And then the next week they call up and say, oh my god, we are out of stock to this item, Please, we need it tomorrow. That hasn't happened in the past few quarters. It's happening now. So it seems to me that Things will return. I think we've said before, certainly in personal care closures, home care closures, we had some Share loss on the other hand in other categories, we had share gains, but certainly North America, whether it's Person Care Home Care closures or Person Home Care that's still accounted for in beauty has been a challenge for us. Speaker 200:34:22And On the other hand, what we're signaling from what everything we see that will have run its course by the end of the year. On fragrance, it's a completely different dynamics. Fragrance Really driven by launches and then flankers and clearly brands are eager Continue to get their franchises out there. We also have gained some share there and that's Without China really getting back into direction and we see that happening also now. So again, we see a normalization of growth, but not going the other way. Speaker 700:35:04Thank you. Operator00:35:08Our next question is from Daniel Rizzo at Jefferies. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:35:14Good morning. You mentioned the strength in Prestige Fragrances. I was wondering if you have significant exposure to Prestige Beauty and if that's holding up well or it's less exposure or it's just not doing as well as fragrances? Speaker 500:35:31If you're referring to the prestige skincare, we did grow there, but the majority of our growth there came from some tooling sales That we had in the quarter, but overall product sales were still very, very good. Speaker 800:35:48Okay. And then, you mentioned that you're working to close the plant in France. And I know it's kind of process, but I wonder once that process complete, have you quantified what the savings will be on an annual basis at the end of 2024 or 2025 or whenever it's complete? Speaker 200:36:07No, we have not. And for the simple reason that that will be detrimental to the negotiation process. So again, this is unique in the world as far as I know process That is very demanding on everybody in the process and we can only really give you the answer once it's done and agreed and signed. The only comfort I would take is, as compared to the previous process where you need to negotiate both The future state and the way to get there and the different steps and how you get there is voluntary process in the voluntary process and the treatment and so on. When you close the plant, the future state is not much to be negotiated. Speaker 200:36:56So it's more of how you're The benefits of that closure, but it's the only closures facility that we have in France. Speaker 800:37:17Thank you very much. Operator00:37:38As we have no further questions on the call, I will hand it back to Mr. Tanda to wrap Speaker 200:37:44up. Great. Thanks for your questions. Let me just reiterate, we are for as well as For 2024, many of the measures we have taken over the past years are now progressively coming to fruition And you are starting to see them in our results, whether it's the much stronger execution, They are much more capable and modernized and efficient asset base, growing pipeline And customers who are returning, is not being very exciting about our innovation capability. And last not least, the very vigorous and multiyear systematic cost focus, all of these improvements are Behind the improved operating leverage that you see and the double digit EPS growth trajectory. Speaker 200:38:39So as you look into the future, when you think about all the puts and takes, we've talked about some of them. The proprietary drug dispensing systems will continue to grow after a period of double digit growth, but will remain inside our growth target for pharma overall to the best of our knowledge. Injectable ERP story, of course, will not repeat. That's up and running. And we see a strong pipeline and a growing capacity in injectables. Speaker 200:39:11The Active Material business, the COVID difficult COVID comparison is washing out, and we see that business returning to growth. And lastly, in pharma, the digital health business is becoming less of a drag over time. Fragrance will continue to grow Not a double digit, but in line with our beauty overall growth targets and the drag from North America will abate both for beauty and foreclosures. And let's not forget that the largest market for beauty China is recovering and is coming back. At the same time, SG and A is coming down as a percentage of revenue. Speaker 200:39:53And we've given you a view on the further cost actions and There are additional activities ongoing, boosting our global talent centers and taking care of cost differentials. Having said all that, I wish everyone especially in the U. S. 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It also provides pumps for nasal allergy treatments; and metered dose inhaler valves for respiratory ailments, such as asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary diseases; elastomer for injectable primary packaging components; and active material science solutions. In addition, the company offers dispensing pumps, closures, elastomeric components, and aerosol valves to the digital health solutions. It primarily sells its products and services in Asia, Europe, Latin America, and North America. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:02Welcome to Aptar's 2023 Third Quarter Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. Introducing today's conference call is Mrs. Mary Scoffidas, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Communications, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:22Thank you. Hello, everyone, and thanks for being with us Joining me on today's call are Stephan Tanda, President and CFO and Bob Kuhn, Executive Vice President and CFO. Our press release and accompanying slide deck have been posted on our website under the Investor Relations page. During this call, We will be discussing certain non GAAP financial measures. These measures are reconciled to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure in our press release, which was disseminated yesterday. Speaker 100:00:52Please refer to the press release. As always, we will post a replay of this call on our website. I would now like to turn it over to Stephan Tanda. Stephan, over to you. Speaker 200:01:04Thank you, Mary, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us on the call today. I will begin my remarks by highlighting our results for the Q3. Later in the call, Bob Kyun, our CFO, will provide additional details. Starting on Slide 3, for the Q3, Aptar achieved core sales growth of 2% and delivered double digit EPS growth of $1.39 per share Due to continued strong demand for our proprietary pharma dosing and dispensing systems as well as our fragrance dispensing technologies, We experienced significant margin improvement in the quarter with an adjusted EBITDA margin of about 22%, A 4 point increase over the prior year's quarter. Speaker 200:01:50The margin improvement was driven by a strong focus on cost management across the company and the better mix from relatively faster sales growth in pharma. In quarter 3, robust demand for our proprietary pharma drug delivery systems, which grew across multiple therapeutic applications, including allergic rhinitis, Emergency medicines, central nervous system therapeutics, nasal saline rinse solutions, Eye Care and cold and cough as well as asthma and COPD therapies. In the last year, There has been a lot of focus from our shareholder base on sales of our unidose drug delivery dispensing system for NARCAN and generic naloxone. As this emergency medicine has gone over the counter or OTC, we have certainly seen solid growth in this important life saving application. In addition, we also want to highlight our proprietary by dose dispensing system for J and J's Spravato, which has also been a strong contributor to our growth this year. Speaker 200:03:00Recently, a study published by the New England Journal of Medicine outlined the positive benefits for patients using SPRAVATO. This drug targeting treatment resistant depression in adults is delivered in a bidose Liquid Nasals Free System that underwent numerous human use studies to ensure optimal positioning and consistent dosages Are delivered with every administration. The medicine is administered as a nasal spray. This is absorbed by the lining The nasal passages and into the bloodstream. This nasal delivery supports rapid and appreciable absorption into the bloodstream. Speaker 200:03:41Relative to an IV formulation, the nasal route of delivery provides a noninvasive and more convenient dosing option for patients and physicians and is associated with a reduced likelihood of dosing errors. We are proud of the role our dispensing systems play in helping making critical medication More easily administered. Nasally delivered therapies for neurological diseases like depression is a growing area of focus for our customers. Over the last few quarters, we have talked about our pharma service offerings. These are a small part of our overall revenue, but help to position us as a partner of Choice for pharma companies large and small. Speaker 200:04:23We are very honored that our pharma service group has been awarded a new contract by the U. S. Food and Drug Administration studying opportunities for low global warming potential propellant solutions for metered dose inhalers. This contract recognizes and reinforces our thought leadership and expertise in the inhalation space and also highlights our focus on sustainability, which we know is a differentiator and competitive advantage. In our Beauty segment, we saw continued healthy demand for our dispensing solution for Prestige and Mass Fragrance. Speaker 200:05:00Demand for fragrance pumps continue to be driven by growth in Europe and Latin America. Sales for our fragrance sampling solutions also grew modestly in Europe. Additionally, Fusion PKG, our full packaging solution provider in North America, had Having said that, Beauty North America overall continues to be substantially below 2019 volumes, especially in Personal Care. However, in recent weeks, we are starting to see a pickup in orders for some end markets as inventories approach normal levels for certain SKUs. Now turning to Slide 4, I would like to highlight a few products and medications that launched in the quarter featuring our technology. Speaker 200:05:58In pharma, Aptar's 7 year collaboration with Halion led to the launch of a needle spray technology with an innovative side push button to activate the spray. This patented intuitive and more consumer friendly lateral control system technology by Aptar, a first of its kind, Features a shorter nozzle, which means more comfort when using the product, while the one push button provides more accurate dosing. In addition, Aptar's metered dose inhaler valve is featured on the Brenya inhalation aerosol, the 1st FDA approved generic version of Symbicort. In the European beauty market, Aptot's fragrance and lotion pumps are featured on Jean Paul Gaultier's divine brand products by Puj. In Asia, our Airless technology is the refillable dispensing solution for new facial skincare product by the brand, Suban. Speaker 200:06:55Turning to sustainable solutions, we've expanded our sampling portfolio to include monomaterial paper fragrance sampling, which LVMH is now featuring for a top fragrance brand. Finally, our post consumer recycled resin pump It's the dispensing technology for Estee Lauder's MEK brand foundation in North America. For closures in North America, McCormack is now featuring our closure on their new spice package and our snap up dispensing closure for inverted packaging is providing Controlled dispensing for SC Johnson's OFF insect repellent lotion in Latin America. As we mentioned at our recent Investor Day, We have additional information to share around our focus on footprint rationalization and reduction of manufacturing costs. To that end, we have started a second process with our European and French labor representatives to shut down our closure facility in Poissy, As we have stated before, these processes take time. Speaker 200:07:59We will share more information with you As we can and expect to start realizing savings from this plant closure by mid to late 2024 and full run rate savings Our SG and A as a percentage of sales is on track to be around 16% for the full year 2023. Finally, I would like to touch on an ESG update. Earlier this month, we were recognized by 3BL Media and by ISS ESG for our transparency and performance in categories such as climate change, Stakeholders and Society, Human Rights and ESG performance for the 3rd consecutive year. We are ranked number 34 on the list of the 100 Best Corporate Citizens. Before I hand the call over to Bob, I also want to highlight that in September, we added a new Board member, Sarah Glickman, the CFO of Criteo. Speaker 200:08:57Sarah is a highly accomplished executive with more than 30 years of global, financial and deep operational experience in diverse industries With such companies as Novartis, Honeywell and Bristol Myers Squibb. Speaker 300:09:11And with that, over to you, Bob. Thank you, Stefan, and good morning, everyone. Starting on Slide 5, I would like to summarize the quarter. Our reported sales increased 7%. When we neutralize for currencies and acquisitions, our core sales grew 2% in significant part due to strong demand for our proprietary drug delivery systems as well as solid demand for fragrance dispensing technologies, while the challenging environment for personal care and home care Continued in the Q3. Speaker 300:09:43As shown on Slide 6, we reported 3rd quarter adjusted earnings per share of $1.39 This represents a 39% increase over prior year adjusted EPS. We achieved adjusted EBITDA of $193,000,000 which was an increase of 26% from the prior year's Q3, driven by strong operational performance and ongoing cost management. Turning to some of the details by segment for the quarter. Our Pharma segment's core sales increased 8%. Approximately 6% of the continued growth came from increased volumes, especially for our proprietary drug delivery systems. Speaker 300:10:24Looking at sales in the pharma segment by market, prescription core sales increased 20%, primarily due to continued strong demand For dosing and dispensing technologies for allergic rhinitis, emergency medicine, central nervous system therapeutics And asthma and COPD therapies. Consumer Healthcare core sales increased 14%, driven by higher sales for nasal saline rinse solutions, Eye Care and Cough and Cold Applications. When looking at our Injectables division, core sales increased 6%. Turning to our Active Material Science Solutions, core sales decreased 23%, of which 17% was due to less tooling revenue, as well as a decrease in active vials used for our diabetes care products and decreased demand in sales of our products used on probiotics, which had experienced rapid growth in the prior year's quarter. Pharma's adjusted EBITDA margin was 35% for the quarter, an improvement of about 4 points over the same period last year. Speaker 300:11:27This also includes start up costs for the injectables division capacity expansion of approximately 2,000,000 We expect start up costs in the range of $2,000,000 to $3,000,000 in Q4. Overall, Our Beauty segment's core sales increased 2% due to the ongoing challenges in North America. Europe continues to Latin America saw healthy demand for mass Fragrance Solutions and Asia also saw a slight growth in the quarter. Fragrance Solutions for the Prestige and Mass markets continued to perform well with core sales for these dispensing solutions growing double digits in the quarter. Looking at the Beauty segment by market, Beauty core sales, which represents 64% of Beauty segment sales, Increased 14%, driven by higher tooling sales as well as higher sales in both Prestige and Mass Fragrance. Speaker 300:12:28Personal Care core sales decreased 15% as lower demand in several end use categories in North America persisted. Europe had modest sales growth, primarily due to sales of our products used in hair care and sun care applications. Home Care core sales decreased 24% due to lower sales in North America across several categories, including air care and surface disinfectants. This segment's adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was about 13%. This is more than a 0.5 point improvement over the same period last year. Speaker 300:13:03The closure segment core sales decreased 9% compared with the prior year's quarter. Approximately 6% of the decrease for the current quarter is due to lower resin costs. While product volumes improved in food and especially in beverage dispensing closures in the quarter, they could not fully offset the decline in volumes Looking at the closure segment by market, food core sales decreased 11%. The decline in sales was driven by lower tooling sales, which accounted for 8% of the decrease and pass throughs of lower resin costs. BeverageCore sales increased 3% due to strong sales in Europe, which is our largest beverage market and in North America. Speaker 300:13:48In the quarter, we saw increased demand for bottled water and concentrates. Personal Care core sales decreased 24% due primarily to lower global demand. In our 4th category, which includes beauty, home care and health care, Core sales increased 24%, mainly due to tooling sales. The segment's adjusted EBITDA margin was around 15%. This represents a 3 point improvement over the same period last year, even with the decline in sales due to our continued focus on cost management as well as the effects of passing on lower resin costs. Speaker 300:14:24Our total CapEx spend for the Q3 of 2023 was $76,000,000 With the majority going to our Pharma segment, the 3 large capital projects are winding down, making up about 15% of our total CapEx spend for the quarter, with the majority allocated to our injectables capacity expansion. As a reminder, our injectables capacity expansion will come online in phases and be ready for commercialization at the beginning of 2025. Reported depreciation and amortization expense increased 9% over the prior year quarter to approximately $63,000,000 or 7% of sales. Slide 7 and 8 cover our year to date performance and show the 3% core sales growth and our adjusted earnings per share, which were $3.57 up 22% compared to 2 point 92 a year ago, including comparable exchange rates. Year to date cash flow from operations was $356,000,000 up from $306,000,000 due to the improvements in earnings. Speaker 300:15:30Moving to Slide 9, which summarizes our outlook for the 4th quarter. We anticipate our strong momentum to continue and expect 4th quarter adjusted earnings per share, excluding any restructuring expenses, acquisition costs And changes in the unrealized fair value of equity investments to be in the range of $1.06 to $1.14 per share. The estimated tax rate range for the Q4 is 24% to 26%. As a reminder, in the 4th quarter, We expect to have a $0.02 to $0.03 impact in start up costs from our injectables expansion program. Additionally, we are expecting some currency tailwinds compared to the prior year. Speaker 300:16:10For example, the euro rate for the prior year Q4 was $1.02 and our guidance for the coming quarter is assuming a $1.06 rate. We have said that roughly for every one point move in the euro rate, That equates to roughly $0.02 per share for the full year. So for the coming quarter, we expect to be looking at approximately a $0.02 currency benefit on earnings compared to the prior year due to the euro rate as well as other currency movements. We currently estimate depreciation and amortization for 2023 to be between $240,000,000 to $245,000,000 Our capital expenditures in 2023, net of any government Grants is estimated to be around $300,000,000 including a capacity expansion investment for our pharma proprietary drug delivery systems. In closing, we continue to have a strong balance sheet with a leverage ratio of 1.6@quarterend, which allows us to continue to invest in the business, pursue strategic opportunities and continue to return value to shareholders in the form of dividends and share repurchases. Speaker 300:17:18In addition to our cash dividend payment to shareholders, which totaled $26,900,000 in the quarter, we repurchased approximately 66,000 shares for $8,300,000 At this time, Stephane will provide a few closing comments before we move to Q and A. Speaker 200:17:34Thanks, Bob. In the 1st 9 months of 2023, we have delivered very strong results and showed exceptional growth during our 2 biggest quarters, Quarter 2 and quarter 3. We expect quarter 4 will continue our trend of double digit adjusted EPS growth over the prior year period. While quarter 4 tends to be a smaller quarter for us, we expect our Pharma and Fragrance franchises to finish the year strong. In the Q4, we expect robust demand for our proprietary pharma drug delivery system to continue. Speaker 200:18:09Our fragrance dispensing solutions finish On a high note for 2023, and we look forward to an improving environment in North America, especially for our personal care dispensing solutions, As we believe the worst of the destocking will be behind us. As we look ahead to 2024, our proprietary drug delivery systems have Seeing significant growth, some of that can be attributed to distribution channels refilling to more normal levels following destocking due to COVID. Narcan and generic naloxone versions going over the counter has also helped spur our growth this year. While the launch of this new distribution channel will not repeat next year, adoption of this life saving drug continues to expand. We expect our proprietary pharma drug delivery systems to continue to grow in 2024 within the long term core sales target of 7% to 11%. Speaker 200:19:07Our injectable division will be ramping up new capacity for higher value products through the end of 2024. Over the past year, our dispensing devices for fragrances have also seen tremendous growth. 2023 has been a catch up year For the Q4 and for 2024, you have seen measurable improvement in our SG and A as a percentage of sales and reduced manufacturing fixed costs, which we expect to continue in quarter 4 and into 2024. And we're excited about the growth opportunities across each of our segments for next year, taking advantage of our increased operating leverage as cost reduction efforts become more visible in the P and L. With that, I now would like to open the call for your questions. Operator00:20:24Thank Our first question comes from George Staphos Speaker 400:20:51The first one is, Stephane and Bob, can you talk to you mentioned that you're excited about 2024. Are there any of your key end markets or product lines that we should expect will be growing below Your long term target range to the extent that you have any visibility, and should we take from your comments recognizing that it's Still early that you expect to see overall earnings growth in 2024. The second question I had, During your Analyst Day, you cited not only are you going to be trying to reduce SG and A, But you have a goal for combined SG and A plus fixed costs within COGS. Where did you Speaker 200:21:49Hi, George. Thanks for the questions. I mean, obviously, we don't give guidance for 2024, but to What you just heard me say is that we are energized for 2024. I mean, when you think about it, Our proprietary dispensing devices, yes, grew double digit, but we expect them to continue to grow within the target range Next year, injectable will not have the ERP issue repeat. For active materials, The tough COVID comparison will have washed out and we see Active Materials return to growth. Speaker 200:22:31Digital Health is Still a drag, but there will be less of a drag. And fragrance, we expect to continue to grow, albeit at lower rates as The comparisons get tougher and we fully expect North America to normalize and we see some green shoots in the 4th quarter. And China will or China is albeit slowly is growing again And progressing. So that all adds up to certainly an expectation of growth in line with our growth targets. And yes, given all the cost work we do that Speaker 500:23:13with the Speaker 200:23:13increased operating leverage that should Result in solid earnings growth, without giving a guidance for next year. Now, on your second question, you see the significant And EBITDA margin expansion across the board, all three segments have seen EBITDA margin expansion and that of course comes From higher gross margins, from lower fixed cost in the factories and we are by far not done. So What you see now is things that we started a year ago starting to bleed into the P and L. As we discussed Previously, the actions in France that we started a year ago only are being implemented now. And now we start The second tranche, which is the shutdown of the Poincie site, which you will only see in the P and L second half of next year, These things have a long lead time. Speaker 200:24:12So we certainly expect to continue to work and make sure that we have good operating leverage and Strong top line growth leads to even stronger bottom line growth. Speaker 400:24:26So just kind of a quick follow on, and I appreciate all that. From the Analyst Day deck, I think you said SG and A and fixed COGS as a percentage of sales, you're going to drop that about 2 points from 21 to 25. Where does that ratio stand right now relative to the starting point? Thanks, guys. I'll turn it over. Speaker 200:24:44Well, This is not something we disclose externally. What we disclose externally is the SG and A ratio. And that we expect We'll see you in the year at 16%. Quarter 3 was actually lower. But given that we always have the equity The rewards in the Q1, it averages out to probably 16% for the year. Speaker 500:25:0616.1 through Q3. And we expect to be at 16 Year to date by the time we finish the year. But overall, George, I think we can say that we are tracking to where we expected to be for the combined metric. Operator00:25:26Our next question is from Gabe Hajde from Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead. Speaker 600:25:34Sasan, Bob, Mary, good morning. Maybe just to dial in a little bit, you know, the saying dividends take a mile. In the Pharma segment, Can you just remind us, I think there was around, if we include start up costs, dollars 25,000,000 of ERP and start up in 2023. Does this all go away next year? And then Should we also assume contribution from the growth that we would get in injectables or anything else that we need to be mindful of? Speaker 600:26:11And then given the I guess the maybe a little bit more rich mix of Rx versus Some of the other elements within pharma, would you expect, I guess, moderation adjusting for Those other startup costs and ERP in profitability in pharma or how should we think about that? Speaker 200:26:37Yes. I mean, on the first question, clearly the ERP cost, especially in the first two quarters and Now we continue to build out the Grand Ville II factory And that will have equipment and trial productions and labor present and no revenue for that. So we will continue to have If you want to start up direct, we don't quantify it yet. We'll probably give that when we do Q4. It will be a bit less, but still There will be something next year, but compared to the ERP cost, it's obviously much smaller. Speaker 200:27:18Then on your mix question, yes, If injectables and active materials grow much faster compared to Rx and CHC, you will have A negative mix effect on the other side, as we just said, you will have costs that go away with the ERP system. So We're not going to give you the end result of that in advance here as it plays out. Plus, we have cost work again across the board to do. I know, Paphr, do you want to add anything? Yes. Speaker 500:27:53The only thing I would say is, I think, Gabe, our number, the injectables, ERP and start up costs The year is probably closer to $20,000,000 than I think you mentioned $25,000,000 and we'll have another couple of pennies Or $2,000,000 $2,000,000 to $3,000,000 in Q4 of this year. Speaker 600:28:14Okay. And then switching gears, I guess, to redeployment and or cash generation. I think you talked about CapEx Starting to migrate back closer to D and A, I just want to kind of confirm that. And then as you look across, I mean, our model has you shaking out around 1.4x, 1.5x levered. At the end of this year, anything in terms of the M and A pipeline That we should be thinking about or would the preferred avenue be kind of dividend and repo as we look Speaker 500:28:53So we're still a little bit above, Gabe, on the CapEx. So for the quarter, We spent about $76,000,000 Most of the amount above the D and A, which is about 63,000,000 And the quarter is really coming from the run out of the 3 big projects, primarily the injectables Expansion. Speaker 200:29:20And I would say, obviously, when You see the growth that we have in pharma. Those are not we will continue to make sure that we have capacity available, especially in lifesaving That seems we will not expand capacity to get to certain CapEx numbers, especially in these areas They're close double digit at the moment. Speaker 500:29:43Yes. And then I think on your comment on the deleveraging by year end, so we're at about 1.6. We were able to take it down from the 1.8 that we were and that's primarily due to a really strong cash Generation, free cash flow generation in the quarter, which was about $97,000,000 compared to 55 Last year in Q3, so year to date, we're about 124. And again, we're continuing to focus on working capital As well as the margin improvement that you've seen in Q3. Now with respect to your M and A question, we continue to have an active M and A pipeline and look at opportunities along the Speaker 200:30:28lines that we have done before technologies, Geographic opportunities, venturing type investments. So we continue our M and A Activity unabatedly for every 10 deals you study or work on, maybe one happens. Clearly, the high interest rates gives the sponsors a pause, which may help us a little bit, Because we never look at these high leverage ratios. On the other hand, we also recognize that our cost of capital has gone up With higher interest rates. So we continue to be a disciplined player in this game. Operator00:31:15Our next question comes from Ghansham Panjabi from Baird. Please go ahead. Speaker 700:31:22Good morning, everybody. On the Rx growth of 20% and OTC of 14% in 3Q, At least part of that seems to be driven by new products and related inventory build for products such as NARCAN. Can you help us dimensionalize the potential headwind from a volume point as you cycle through the inventory build comparisons thinking out to 2024 or do you not see that as material at this point? Speaker 200:31:47Well, certainly, we don't see that we will keep growing at these rates. On the other hand, there is not a day that goes by where we don't Pickup personally reports of the nontraditional channel continuing to Band, whether it's school, whether it's communities, if it's fire department. So, yes, the OTC channel Edit has added pipeline fill, but NARCAN is Increasingly pervasive and that we see continue some growth there. Plus, given That the nasal delivery route is increasingly seen as an attractive shortcut to the brain, if you want. We also see the pipeline continue to fill. Speaker 200:32:44So, yes, of course, those double digit or high double digit growth rates will not Continue, but we also don't see a significant decline or anything like that, but more in line with our pharma growth rates. Speaker 700:33:00Okay. And then for my second question on Personal Care, which seems it seems awfully weak across the board. Is there a category or customer mix issue that is weighing on this And this segment for you and then for fragrance, which the whole supply chain ecosystem has called out as strong, how sustainable do you think this is in context So, uneven consumer spending that we're seeing in so many other categories. Speaker 200:33:23It's really completely different dynamics. In Personal Care, it is predominantly the U. S. Destocking issue. And we see that running its course I have several anecdotes where customers say, hey, we're still fine, leave us alone. Speaker 200:33:45And then the next week they call up and say, oh my god, we are out of stock to this item, Please, we need it tomorrow. That hasn't happened in the past few quarters. It's happening now. So it seems to me that Things will return. I think we've said before, certainly in personal care closures, home care closures, we had some Share loss on the other hand in other categories, we had share gains, but certainly North America, whether it's Person Care Home Care closures or Person Home Care that's still accounted for in beauty has been a challenge for us. Speaker 200:34:22And On the other hand, what we're signaling from what everything we see that will have run its course by the end of the year. On fragrance, it's a completely different dynamics. Fragrance Really driven by launches and then flankers and clearly brands are eager Continue to get their franchises out there. We also have gained some share there and that's Without China really getting back into direction and we see that happening also now. So again, we see a normalization of growth, but not going the other way. Speaker 700:35:04Thank you. Operator00:35:08Our next question is from Daniel Rizzo at Jefferies. Please go ahead. Speaker 800:35:14Good morning. You mentioned the strength in Prestige Fragrances. I was wondering if you have significant exposure to Prestige Beauty and if that's holding up well or it's less exposure or it's just not doing as well as fragrances? Speaker 500:35:31If you're referring to the prestige skincare, we did grow there, but the majority of our growth there came from some tooling sales That we had in the quarter, but overall product sales were still very, very good. Speaker 800:35:48Okay. And then, you mentioned that you're working to close the plant in France. And I know it's kind of process, but I wonder once that process complete, have you quantified what the savings will be on an annual basis at the end of 2024 or 2025 or whenever it's complete? Speaker 200:36:07No, we have not. And for the simple reason that that will be detrimental to the negotiation process. So again, this is unique in the world as far as I know process That is very demanding on everybody in the process and we can only really give you the answer once it's done and agreed and signed. The only comfort I would take is, as compared to the previous process where you need to negotiate both The future state and the way to get there and the different steps and how you get there is voluntary process in the voluntary process and the treatment and so on. When you close the plant, the future state is not much to be negotiated. Speaker 200:36:56So it's more of how you're The benefits of that closure, but it's the only closures facility that we have in France. Speaker 800:37:17Thank you very much. Operator00:37:38As we have no further questions on the call, I will hand it back to Mr. Tanda to wrap Speaker 200:37:44up. Great. Thanks for your questions. Let me just reiterate, we are for as well as For 2024, many of the measures we have taken over the past years are now progressively coming to fruition And you are starting to see them in our results, whether it's the much stronger execution, They are much more capable and modernized and efficient asset base, growing pipeline And customers who are returning, is not being very exciting about our innovation capability. And last not least, the very vigorous and multiyear systematic cost focus, all of these improvements are Behind the improved operating leverage that you see and the double digit EPS growth trajectory. Speaker 200:38:39So as you look into the future, when you think about all the puts and takes, we've talked about some of them. The proprietary drug dispensing systems will continue to grow after a period of double digit growth, but will remain inside our growth target for pharma overall to the best of our knowledge. Injectable ERP story, of course, will not repeat. That's up and running. And we see a strong pipeline and a growing capacity in injectables. Speaker 200:39:11The Active Material business, the COVID difficult COVID comparison is washing out, and we see that business returning to growth. And lastly, in pharma, the digital health business is becoming less of a drag over time. Fragrance will continue to grow Not a double digit, but in line with our beauty overall growth targets and the drag from North America will abate both for beauty and foreclosures. And let's not forget that the largest market for beauty China is recovering and is coming back. At the same time, SG and A is coming down as a percentage of revenue. Speaker 200:39:53And we've given you a view on the further cost actions and There are additional activities ongoing, boosting our global talent centers and taking care of cost differentials. Having said all that, I wish everyone especially in the U. S. A good Thanksgiving and everybody else a good rest of the year and the relaxing holiday Operator00:40:23This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all very much for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.Read morePowered by