Atomera Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 1, 2023

There are 5 speakers on the call.

Operator

Hello, everyone, and welcome to Atomera's Third Quarter Fiscal Year 2023 Update Call. I'd like to remind everyone that this call and webinar are being recorded and a replay will be available on Atomera's website for 1 year. I'm Mike Bishop with the company's Investor Relations. Released. As in prior quarters, we are using Zoom and we will follow a similar presentation format with participants in a listen only mode.

Operator

Recorded. We will open with prepared remarks from Scott Bibaud, Atomera's President and CEO and Frank Lourencio, Atomera's CFO. Then we will open the call to questions. Recorded. If you are joining by telephone, you may follow a slide presentation to accompany our remarks on the Events and Presentations section of our Investor Relations page on our website.

Operator

Recorded. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that during today's call, we will make forward looking statements. These forward looking statements, whether in prepared remarks recorded during the Q and A session, are subject to inherent risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in the Risk Factors section of our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, specifically in the company's annual report on Form 10 ks filed with the SEC on February 15, 2023, released in its quarterly report on Form 10 Q filed today with the SEC. Except as otherwise required by federal securities laws, read.

Operator

Atomera disclaims any obligation to update or make revisions to such forward looking statements contained herein or elsewhere to reflect changes in expectations with regards to those events, conditions and circumstances. Also, please note that during this call, we will be discussing non GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G. Recorded. Reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in today's press release, which is also posted on our Web recorded. Now I would like to turn the call over to our President and CEO, Scott Bibaud.

Operator

Go ahead, Scott.

Speaker 1

Recorded. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Atomera's Q3 2023 update call. During this past quarter, we've made great progress released on a number of different fronts, both in customer and technology areas, and I'd like to bring you up to date on some of those activities. Reached. Our standard customer pipeline does not do justice to how active we've been with customers over the last 3 months.

Speaker 1

Recorded. It seems that our business development, our technology teams are on the road almost every week to service the growing number of opportunities released in applications that MST can address. Much of that is happening with our Phase 3 customers, so it's hard to show the progress on this chart, but I'll give you more released as we go along. One thing we had hoped to show on today's call is that our Phase 4 recorded. Customers had grown by 1 to reflect the installation of MST on a tool in ST's factory.

Speaker 1

Recorded. Unfortunately, up to today, it has not happened, but we do expect it to happen very soon and have been working diligently with ST recorded on other parts of the development process. In past calls, I've discussed the path to production with ST, but I'd like to expand on the details here. Recorded. Since completion of the license agreement in April, ST's engineering team, with some assistance from us, has been developing their new manufacturing processed, which will include MST.

Speaker 1

This effort is primarily happening via computer simulations released and our MST CAD is an indispensable component of that effort. After the installation of MST onto their Epi tools, released. ST will build wafers using MST and test the results, which is called silicon validation. Recorded. Using this methodology, ST will create a fully optimized manufacturing method and when it is complete, they will freeze it, creating released in the Q4 of 2019.

Speaker 1

From that point forward, when a new chip design is started by an ST development engineer, recorded. The chip will be based on the transistor characteristics provided in the new PDK, which will include MST. Recorded. Wafer level qualification, which is the process of finalizing their manufacturing flow across recorded. The next quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's

Speaker 2

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Speaker 1

quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter's quarter. Recorded. When process qualification is complete, any finalized chip designs will enter production and start generating royalties. Recorded. All their subsequent chip designs will be based on this new PDK and will add to the royalty stream, so the revenue potential will just continue to grow.

Speaker 1

Recorded. As we've spoken about before, it's difficult for us to forecast the volume of these designs because they will be executed for many different applications recorded in the Q1 of 2019. When we first announced this transaction, we estimated ST would go to commercialization recorded in a year and a half to 2 years. Despite the longer than anticipated time to complete equipment modifications, recorded. We still believe that timing holds true.

Speaker 1

It is important to recognize the significance of this milestone to our company. Recorded. It validates not only our technology, but also our business model, and we are as impatient to see it completed as I'm sure you are. Now that we've covered ST, let me provide updates on other customers. I'm pleased to report that recorded.

Speaker 1

Experiments with our JDA One customer have shown excellent technical results that we believe solve a significant problem they are facing. Recorded. The specific issues we have addressed are targeted at one of their largest BUs. At this point, recorded. Our focus has shifted to finding a business solution that will work well for both of us.

Speaker 1

But given the strength of our technical offering, recorded. I am confident we will find a commercial structure for them to adopt MST. Likewise, with our JDA II customer, released. Recent silicon test results combined with MST CAD simulations have led us to start a new round of experiments recorded to hopefully reach a performance level, triggering the license agreements contemplated as part of the JDA package. Recorded.

Speaker 1

It will take several months for those results to come out, but we hope with a lower level of fab utilization the industry is experiencing these days, reached. We are also seeing interest in our higher voltage technology offerings, released. There is no doubt that our ST license announcement has stimulated interest in these technologies across the industry. Recorded. Recently, our MST CAD was adopted by a very large analog and power manufacturer, which we believe is an excellent first step reached towards licensing our overall MST technology to them for production.

Speaker 1

We continue to see good momentum for both MST SP released in the RF department. Our MST solution for RFSOI has been evolving over the last released due to new MST film formulations and integration techniques, which we have demonstrated to customers recorded using simulations from MSTCAD. During the last 3 months, we've gotten new silicon test results recorded that validate the improvements predicted by MST CAD, improvements that are not possible without MST released and are badly needed by designers of RF front ends for cellular products. We believe this solution will be something that all RFSOI designers released once they understand the benefits. And we're confident of this because the first few customers we've explained it to recorded.

Speaker 1

I'm hopeful this will lead to several new licenses and partnerships in the future. Similarly, in the advanced nodes market, our offering has gotten significantly stronger in the last 3 months. Reached. The key to advancing in this market is through ecosystems and partnerships, since the technology is so complex and expensive to prove out in silicon. Recorded.

Speaker 1

We are working to establish and nurture those types of relationships today. 2 weeks ago, we announced that Atomera was part of the Southwest Advanced Prototyping Hub led by Arizona State University, which has recently received funding through the Chips and Sciences Act. Reached. Atomera helped to drive for establishment of this hub because we believe that America needs an ecosystem recorded in the Q4 of 2019. We are pleased with the progress we made in the semiconductor industry.

Speaker 1

Reached. This has always been Atomera's focus, and we are gratified at the greater spotlight and resources that this funding will bring. Recorded, and as a smaller company, we will gain great leverage from this partnership. We have no doubt that being part of this new ecosystem released and will assist us in implementing our technology at the biggest semiconductor makers who are interested in investing in advanced nodes today. Recorded.

Speaker 1

Finally, you may have noticed that we added a new segment into our technology focus areas, MST for DRAM. Recorded. During this past quarter, we published a comprehensive white paper on our website giving some details of the physics around how MST can be combined recorded with Sense Amp circuit designs to make DRAM devices smaller and lower power. In short, MST will be able to bring improvements to DRAM devices recorded that are on a scale with the benefits we are bringing to our other technology focused segments. This memory work is Atomera's first direct released today's call.

Speaker 1

It is clear that AI uses far more memory than traditional processors, reserved, which means the cost and power savings Adamerica bring to these devices will be critical. Further, are going to drive big changes in the memory requirements of the future. Atomera intends to be a leading innovator in this space to take advantage recorded. As you can see from the wide set released. I do believe read that the ST announcement has helped us get over a hurdle with many customers, which helps to explain this momentum.

Speaker 1

But more importantly, recorded. It is due to the efforts of our brilliant team of engineers and scientists who are constantly bringing cutting edge solutions to the semiconductor industry. Recorded. Inside Atomera, we are very optimistic about the bright future our company has in front of us, and we hope to prove that recorded by announcing more license and production deals in the near future. Frank will now review our financials.

Speaker 2

Recorded. Thank you, Scott. At the close of the market today, recorded. We issued a press release announcing our results for the Q3 of 2023. This slide shows our summary financials.

Speaker 2

Recorded. Our GAAP net loss for the 3 months ended September 30, 2023 was $5,000,000 or $0.20 per share, recorded compared to a net loss of $4,600,000 which was also $0.20 per share in the Q3 of 2022. Recorded. In Q2 of 2023, our GAAP net loss was $5,200,000 or $0.21 per share. GAAP operating expenses were $5,400,000 in Q3 2023, which was an increase of approximately 696 reached $1,000 from $4,700,000 in Q2, 2022.

Speaker 2

Recorded. The biggest driver of the year on year operating expense increase was a $562,000 increase in R and D expenses, reached, dollars 287,000 of which was due to higher prices for wafer processing and engineering services at our contract foundry, released at TSI Semiconductors. General and administrative expenses increased by approximately $116,000 recorded and sales and marketing increased by less than $20,000 Other income net in Q3 2023 increased by $261,000 as compared to Q2 2022, mainly reflecting higher interest income released from an Arizona refundable R and D tax credit. Recorded. Sequentially, our GAAP operating expenses were flat at $5,400,000 in both Q3 and Q2 2023.

Speaker 2

Recorded. A $113,000 increase in R and D expenses, which was also due to TSI costs was offset by declines in G and A recorded and sales and marketing expenses. Non GAAP net loss was flat sequentially at $4,300,000 recorded in Q3 and Q2 of 2023 and it compares to a loss of $3,700,000 in Q3 of 2022. Recorded. The differences between GAAP and non GAAP operating expenses in all periods we're presenting are primarily due to non cash recorded in the Q3 and Q2 of this year reached and $889,000 in Q3 of 2022.

Speaker 2

Our balance of cash, recorded. Cash equivalents and short term investments on September 30, 2023 was $20,400,000 recorded compared to $23,800,000 on June 30, 2023. During Q3, recorded. We used $3,500,000 of cash in operating activities and we sold approximately 24,000 shares under our ATM facility recorded at an average price of $9.17 per share. As of September 30, recorded.

Speaker 2

We had 25,800,000 shares outstanding. Moving now to our guidance. Recorded. We still expect that our non GAAP operating expenses for 2023 will be in the range of $16,250,000 to $16,750,000 recorded and it should come in close to the midpoint of that range. On the last call, I cautioned that higher prices and number of wafers run at reached.

Speaker 2

TSI had caused our outsourced R and D expense to run above our annual plan. However, recorded. We now expect that our work at TSI during Q4 as well as in Q1 of next year will primarily consist of finishing wafer lots recorded. As we discussed on our Q1 call, recorded. Bosch announced that they plan to acquire TSI and convert it to silicon carbide production by 2026.

Speaker 2

The acquisition closed at the end of August and in October, Bosch informed us and the rest of TSI's customers released. They will cease supporting current customers in February 2024. Atomera is now in the process of finding a replacement. Recorded. As Scott mentioned, we expect that STMicro will install MST in Q4.

Speaker 2

Recorded. So our Q4 revenue should be in the range of $300,000 to $350,000 which would consist mostly released in

Speaker 3

the Q1 of ST's 1st

Speaker 2

milestone payment for the installation of MST. After validation of film quality in ST's tool, released. There will be a second and final installation related milestone payment. As we progress toward that second milestone recorded and toward the much more substantial upfront fees for moving to commercial production, we will provide updated revenue guidance as appropriate. Recorded.

Speaker 2

With that, I will turn the call back over to Scott for a few summary remarks before we open the call up to questions. Recorded. Scott?

Speaker 1

Thanks, Frank. Once again, this quarter, Atomera has advanced our technology with customers across reached many different market segments. We believe the momentum we are carrying right now will help us to assemble a large and diversified set of customers and markets, released in the Q1 of 2019. That is our goal, and I look forward to sharing our journey with you as we seek to build a semiconductor technology a licensing powerhouse. Mike, we will now take questions.

Operator

All right. Thank you, clicked the Q and A button at the bottom of the Zoom window, then feel free to type in your question. I will do my best to aggregate the incoming queries and relate them to management. Recorded. Alternatively, you can click and raise that click in the raise hand button and we may call on you to ask your question live.

Operator

Recorded. Okay. As of right now, our first question comes from Richard Shannon of Craig Hallum. Richard, if you would kindly unmute and you may ask your question.

Speaker 3

Recorded. Thanks, Mike, and thanks, Scott and Frank, for letting me ask a question here. Let's start with the topic of STMicro here. Recorded. I guess just wanted to clarify here, obviously, we understand some of the delay mechanisms here, but you also believe that there's going to be no delay in the ultimate in the 24 month timeframe to get them to, I think your words are production.

Speaker 3

Correct me if I'm wrong there, Scott, but can you help us understand why you don't think there's any delay here? Recorded.

Speaker 1

Well, regardless of when they installed the tool, they were going to have to do a bunch of development work recorded. We're also creating the new PDK using simulation technology. I think recorded. Even if it had been in place, they probably would do quite a bit of that before they went to silicon validation. So by my estimate, I don't recorded.

Speaker 1

We're behind as long as it gets installed soon, which we do believe it's going to happen.

Speaker 3

Recorded. Okay. Fair enough. Let's jump over to the topic of your first GDA customer. I think you said shown some great results to solve a big problem here targeted at one of their largest business units.

Speaker 3

By my notes here said you're focused on business or a solution to work on with that business. Maybe you can help us a little bit understand what's going on there?

Speaker 2

Recorded.

Speaker 1

Yes. So I think in the past, when we've talked about our JDA customer, we talked about how we were working with the central engineering reached by the organization and that they were evaluating our technology and then would recommend it out to the different business units. Recorded. And obviously, over the last few years, we've gone from very general recorded. We have a very

Speaker 2

strong test requirements that they

Speaker 1

had to prove that our film was the type of quality that you take to production down to more and more specific released. The one that we've been working on over the past several months released. This is a very challenging problem that their biggest business unit has been facing, and we believe we've delivered something really compelling to them. Recorded. We had created a JDA in the past and we had put in place all the business terms for the JDA, but still haven't gotten to the business terms about being able to do a full license that would take them to production.

Speaker 1

And we're trying to work with them right now to figure out how can we find something that works for both them and us recorded so that we could get a contract, they'd feel comfortable and we'd feel comfortable and then start working to implement this in the business unit.

Speaker 3

Recorded. Okay. So this sounds like a business related dynamic for the JDA 1 customer and not anything technological in nature, is that fair? Recorded.

Speaker 1

Yes. Right now, I would say that's where we are. We're on business. When we get done with the business and we start doing recorded. More detailed technical work, of course, we'll be back into the technical side.

Speaker 1

But right now, I think we've proven what we need to get to real solid business discussions.

Speaker 3

Recorded. Okay. Fair enough. Sounds like some good progress there. Let's jump over to another question here.

Speaker 3

I think we've since you announced STMicro, I think about released. 6 months ago, we've continued to ask a question about the halo effect that they may have on other analog peers. And one of your comments here, I think you said that MST CAB was adopted by a large analog and power manufacturer, if you think is a first step to license technology. Hey, would you believe do you see this as the STMicro halo effect having some impact on this a particular customer. And what does this mean about entering into one of the phases in your status that you talk about every quarter?

Speaker 1

Yes. Okay. So first of all, we are out talking to customers all the time about MST released. And SPX, which are technologies we've developed ourselves using MST, and they show really impressive results. That should be enough for our customer to decide to use them.

Speaker 1

But the fact that we can say we've also done that license agreement with ST really, reached, we think, helps to push it over the kind of over the top. Now, what impact does that have recorded on our customer pipeline that we showed you. Yes, the fact is that the present in Phase II or Phase III. Obviously, we think MST Cat is going to be something that people use from the beginning until when they get into volume production. Recorded.

Speaker 1

For this particular customer, actually, we had been working with them on some other technology and they're already in Phase 3. So recorded. Like I said, we believe we made really good progress with them this quarter, but you can't really see it by looking at our pipeline chart.

Speaker 3

Recorded. I know that doesn't always capture that dynamic, but thanks for that detail, Scott. I know you discussed this and there

Operator

recorded. Maybe I'll allow you

Speaker 3

to answer the question either or both in aggregate if you think that's appropriate, but are becoming increasingly clear to the industry. Maybe you can give us some sense here. It seems like You're getting some recognition in industry conferences or recognition from the white papers or whatever you're writing. Recorded. What makes you say this become increasingly clear to the industry?

Speaker 1

Yes. I mean, just definitely, it's through technical conferences that we're getting invited to these different organizations like the Southwest Regional Development Hub that we're being recorded. We actually are kind of a founding member of, plus just the tool manufacturers and the customers themselves. They know about our technology. They ask us about it.

Speaker 1

And so we can definitely see released from where we were a few years ago that we were working on this technology, but we didn't have as deep engagements with either the customers or with the reached. Now we really see that whole thing coming together. And I did talk about how important we think it is recorded for ecosystems to be used because the big semiconductor guys, they don't directly recorded with each other, but they all use the ecosystem to come up with ways that they can make their next generation products more successful. Recorded.

Speaker 3

Okay. Fair enough. One last question for me and I will jump out of line. Obviously, the macro is looking not very good as we've seen for a number of reports in the CIM industry and broader over the last couple of weeks here. Recorded.

Speaker 3

Are you seeing any sense of this from your customers whether in later stages or the later stages of the phase that you talk about or even at the recorded. Are you seeing any of that slowdown or alternatively with utilizations much lower than they have been in quite some time, does this open up new opportunities that make it even more exciting and could even accelerate in this environment.

Speaker 1

Yes. So our view on the market right now, we think the market has recorded. This year has been a very rough year in terms of growth going negative and released. We always talk about a period when there's low capacity utilization is great for us because our customers can quickly throw some wafers into the line and they're not disrupting anything. And that's definitely true.

Speaker 1

We're starting to see signs recorded. That for next year, things will start to come back and maybe growth will pick up, but we're not seeing signs that we're going to get anywhere near released. We have a very strong growth and high capacity utilization that we had back in 20 released in 2020 and 2021. And so I think generally, I would say, we think that we're going back to kind of a normal level activity in the industry, released and that should give us an ability to really do good development with people without being impeded by it.

Operator

Recorded. Our next question comes from Cody Acree of Benchmark. Cody, read.

Speaker 4

Yes, guys. Thanks for letting me ask questions. Maybe, Scott, if you can just talk about ST a bit. Recorded. And I know that there's only so much you can share, but if you can talk about where you're seeing your MST applied recorded within STMicro to the extent that you can to give us some level of interaction or end market targeting?

Speaker 1

Recorded. Yes. So I think, of course, we can't say too much, but I can tell you that this technology has been adopted by their Smart Power products team. And so the new recorded. PDK that I spoke about would be one that would be designed at analog and power type of semiconductors.

Speaker 1

Recorded. Now, analog and power, we believe spans multiple divisions within ST. Recorded. Their AMS division is one that would be using it quite a bit. They also have a division called Automotive that would use it quite a bit.

Speaker 1

Recorded. But it's very hard for us to say at this point the size of the penetration that they'd have into those different areas. But recorded. We do know that their Smart Power product line is extremely successful, used throughout the industry. Recorded.

Speaker 1

And one of the areas that ST has been investing in over the past few years, including building a new fab to support it.

Speaker 4

Recorded. And Scott, is that lack of visibility, is that a lack of information you could share with us as to your engagement with ST? Or is that recorded. A lack of really full clarity to you as to where your technology is going to be applied.

Speaker 1

Recorded. Yes, I would say it's a little bit of both, Cody, because they don't report publicly about released. We are very pleased with the progress we made in the semiconductor received. Your development teams work on technology segments and your marketing teams kind of work on market segments. Recorded and what they're reporting are market segments, so what we're likely to see is very strong crossover of this technology into multiple different market segments.

Speaker 1

So recorded. So as I was talking about earlier in my comments, we expect to see chip design starting that would be targeted at multiple different markets with multiple different requirements. So for example, higher voltage products maybe for the automotive industry or 5 volt type of products for released in the industrial space. But we recorded. Yes.

Speaker 1

What we don't know now, so we're not violating confidentiality and because we just don't know, but we don't know recorded, where those designs will be coming from and what the potential volume of them will be.

Speaker 4

And I guess how much more would you be involved? Will you be asked to be involved when it does get to be a productization stage?

Speaker 1

Yes, I think we may get less involved frankly at that point. Our big involvement is going to be right now during the development phase and then helping them released to get the MST working as efficiently as possible as they go through their production line. But once they have a released PDK, recorded. For the most part, our support requirements, I expect to die down to very low. We may and what I'd like to do is that we received.

Speaker 1

We're going to keep involvement with their design team so they understand all the benefits that they can get by using the MST. But recorded. I still think, for the most part, their engineers will understand it once they see it in the PDK, and they'll be able to do that without our help.

Speaker 4

Recorded. And let me switch gears a bit to the RFSOI progress that you discussed in your script. Can you just help us to understand your engagements? Is this more on an IDM basis or is this through Foundry Partners?

Speaker 1

Recorded. It's both. We have very wide engagement on RFSOI for most of the foundry providers and released in several of the IDMs as well. And the good news is there's not 100 players in this space. There recorded.

Speaker 1

There are a handful and we know who they are and we're presenting to them. So I do feel like we've got good traction with the majority of

Speaker 4

recorded. And I guess from an MST standpoint, recorded. Is there a potential for you to be incorporated in a current design process that they're working on today that's delivering the products, delivering to customers, or would it take or complete the bottom up reengineer, re presentation, requalification,

Speaker 1

Yes. So Cody, recorded. Redesigning any existing chip and requalifying it in almost any market is a challenge. Recorded. My understanding of this base, which I did work in for quite a long time, is that it's more cellular and consumer electronics based.

Speaker 1

And so the design cycles are happen every year or even more frequently. And so recorded. If you come out with a new technology, you probably wouldn't redesign an older chip and try to requalify. You would design a new chip to take full advantage of all the new things received that you've got going on and get that qualified to go in new phones or new consumer electronics products or something. Released.

Speaker 1

And so I think that's more what we're looking at for the RFSOI space.

Speaker 4

Okay, great. And then Frank, I guess, reached. If you can just talk about your liquidity position, dollars 20,000,000 in cash, dollars 3,500,000 a quarter burn. Recorded. What are your options for your level of liquidity and where are you comfortable with your cash balance?

Speaker 2

Recorded. Yes. Cody, there's no change really. We've addressed this in earlier recorded. This is about a level that we feel comfortable with.

Speaker 2

We certainly recorded. We don't want to go significantly lower, but we were very light in terms of any recorded. Capital raising in Q3, we were active in the market only on just a couple of days. And That reflects really our confidence in what lies ahead. Obviously, at 3.5, actually our recorded.

Speaker 2

Non GAAP operating expense for the year at about $16,500,000 implies about $4,000,000 a quarter in terms of recorded in the Q1 of 2019. So, going sort of too far below that

Speaker 4

released. Is there a baseline of stock price that you recorded.

Speaker 2

No, we're never going to give that kind of guidance. I mean, obviously, recorded. We control what we can control and there are sometimes things that happen in the market that will affect our stock price that are disconnected from released in the business. But, look, we often get asked about the timing of making received. And we have on occasion and certainly this was true with STMicro, recorded.

Speaker 2

Open to a lot of speculation of why did this come right at the earnings call and we signed the deal the day before the earnings recorded. So we announced if we announced a transaction next week that was a material event for the company, we would announce it then. Recorded. And so, I think that's been our disclosure practice and it's not released in any way kind of intentional. It's we will get that information out there.

Speaker 2

And to the extent that that is something that reached. Affects the stock price, well, that's a good thing. We can certainly control execution, but a lot of things that have happened in the market over the last released. 6 or 9 months, I think, have been very much across the industry and the stock market.

Speaker 4

Yes. Thank you, guys. Appreciate the time.

Operator

Recorded. Thank you, Cody. And just a couple of questions coming in on the Q and A chat. So, first one is regarding ST received by T Micro. And the question is how many Epi tools in the initial installation of MST at STMicro?

Speaker 1

Yes, it would be very typical for someone to install in just one tool for the development process. You can run a lot of wafers through one tool. They're not going to be pressed recorded on capacity to be able to do those wafer level qualification or the silicon validation tests that I talked about. So that should be fine. Recorded.

Speaker 1

As they go to production, then it will really depend on the ramp rate for what volume they need. But in all likelihood, they'll have to add released. A lot more machines as they get to higher volumes. But we yes, we don't have much insight into that right now. Recorded.

Operator

Okay. And a question about JDA-one and timing. Released. So and I think folks are judging if STA takes this long, what would timing look for JDA-one should they choose to go to production. Is it about as long do you anticipate as it's taking STMicro?

Operator

Or what are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 1

Recorded. That is that's difficult to call because it depends where they slot in the technology in their redeveloped. This is they're obviously working on their next generation released in the process. And so this would go into whatever that is defined as being, and I don't know how far down the road they are with it yet. So if they're pretty far down the road and they slot this in, then it would be sooner.

Speaker 1

I think it would be fair to say though, recorded. All of them have to go through a similar type of process that we showed on STMicro, where they have to do silicon validation, released and we'll be in a similar type of timeframe.

Operator

Okay. And there was a question about JDA II, and that is you mentioned that there are new experiments being run. Does that indicate a shift to a new product area or different focus? Recorded or if it's the same area, why would you need additional runs or experiments?

Speaker 1

Yes. So, JDA II is on a specific released. We talked about that a while ago, and the technology has not changed. It's still the same focus area. Obviously, recorded.

Speaker 1

We had been working we thought we were showing them some good improvements in that technology, but it obviously wasn't good enough to trigger recorded. The milestones that we had asked about that we had set forth in our initial JDA documents, which said, if we can hit certain performance levels, released and they would move forward with a full license and start the process of taking it to production. They never hit that, recorded, but we've been able to show them based on very recent test results we got with them that there's a really great potential to hitting, meeting or exceeding those targets. And so that's why we started the next round of experiments with them.

Operator

Okay. Recorded. At this point in time, Scott, I'll turn it back to you for closing comments.

Speaker 1

All right. Well, released. I want to thank you all for attending today's presentation. I'm happy to share with you some of our recent progress and our potential in new technology areas. Recorded.

Speaker 1

Please continue to look for our news, articles and blog posts, which are available along with investor alerts on our website atamera.com. Recorded. We are planning to attend the Craig Hallum Alpha Select Conference in a few weeks in New York City and the Benchmark Discovery Conference in December, recorded, and we look forward to seeing many of you at those events. Should you have additional questions, please contact Mike Bishop, who will be happy to follow-up. Recorded.

Speaker 1

Thank you again for your support and we look forward to our next update call.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes the Aramatamera 3rd quarter update call.

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