NASDAQ:BBSI Barrett Business Services Q3 2023 Earnings Report $41.96 +0.43 (+1.04%) As of 04:00 PM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Barrett Business Services EPS ResultsActual EPS$0.67Consensus EPS $0.60Beat/MissBeat by +$0.07One Year Ago EPSN/ABarrett Business Services Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$1.96 billionExpected Revenue$2.00 billionBeat/MissMissed by -$38.61 millionYoY Revenue GrowthN/ABarrett Business Services Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date11/1/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, November 1, 2023Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsBarrett Business Services' Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, July 30, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by Barrett Business Services Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 1, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for participating in today's conference call to discuss BBSI's financial results for the Q3 ended September 30, 2023. Joining us today are BBSI's President and CEO, Mr. Gary Kramer and the company's CFO, Mr. Anthony Harris. Following their remarks, we will open the call for your questions. Operator00:00:24Before we go further, please take note of the company's Safe Harbor statement within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The statement provides important cautions regarding forward looking statements. The company's remarks during today's conference call will include forward looking statements. These statements, along with other information presented that does not reflect historical fact are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those implied by these forward looking statements. Operator00:01:02Please refer to the company's recent earnings release and to the company's quarterly and annual reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission for more information about the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those expressed or implied by the forward looking statements. I would like to remind everyone that this call will be available for replay through December 1, 2023, starting at 8 pm Eastern tonight. A webcast replay will also be available via the link provided in today's press release as well as available on the company's website at www.bbsi.com. Now I'd like to turn the call over to the President and Chief Executive Officer of BBSI, Mr. Gary Kramer. Operator00:01:53Sir, please go ahead. Speaker 100:01:56Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining the call. We had another strong quarter, and I am pleased with our results. We continue to execute on our short term and long term objectives and we surpassed all of our internal controllable key performance indicators. Regarding our client and WSE stack, our controllable growth exceeded our expectations in the quarter as we continued to execute on our various strategies to increase the top of the sales funnel, and I am pleased to say that we once again exceeded our expectations in new clients and in new worksite employees. Speaker 100:02:32As discussed previously, we have been able to sell and support larger clients with our upgraded technology stack, national PEO licenses along with BBSI benefits. This continues to progress favorably and the average size of the clients that we are adding are larger than the average size of the clients that are running off. Regarding client runoff, our retention in the quarter was better than the prior year quarter and continues to remain stronger than pre pandemic levels. I'd like to attribute that to the work we do with our clients and the value our teams provide. The result of all these efforts or what I refer to as our controllable growth is that we added approximately 4,300 worksite employees year over year from net new clients. Speaker 100:03:20This was partially offset by slower client hiring in the quarter. Our clients increased their workforce sequentially over the Q2, but by less than we were forecasting. Anthony will provide more color for the portfolio by geography and industry. To summarize, we grew our worksite employees by 1%, which was slightly lower than forecast for the quarter as we sold and retained more business, but this was partially offset by slower than anticipated client hiring. Moving to our staffing operations. Speaker 100:03:52Our staffing business declined by 25% over the prior year quarter and was slightly better than we anticipated. We mentioned previously that we repriced the portfolio and jettisoned clients where we were not achieving an adequate return. We also shifted our strategy to recruit for our PEO clients and placed 83 applicants in the quarter, which generated equal margin to our traditional staffing model, but resulted in less top line revenue. We also experienced microeconomic factors, including supply and demand imbalances, which varied by geography. Moving to the field operational updates. Speaker 100:04:33We are very pleased with our entrance into new markets with our asset light model. We have 14 total new market development managers that are in various stages of their development. They are doing well and largely achieving their goals of adding and servicing new clients and new referral partners and have a robust pipeline. Our results thus far are better than we expected and are exceeding our internal return hurdle rate, and we are actively recruiting for the next class. Regarding our product updates, we continue to execute on the sales and service of BBSI Benefits, our new health insurance offering. Speaker 100:05:12As a refresher, we rolled out our offering in California in the Q2 and are now selling and servicing BDSI Benefits in every market where we operate. I am pleased to report that through October, we have 160 clients on our various plans with more than 3,500 total participants. Our value proposition is resonating well and we are having success with small and large clients in white and blue collar industries in every state we operate and with a diverse distribution channel. We are in the thick of the oneone selling season and our business teams are offering BBSI benefits to our existing clients as well as potential new clients. It is still too early to provide any definitive guidance, but we are pleased with our current pipeline. Speaker 100:06:02If we close the current opportunities that are in our pipeline at our historical benefits closing rate, then we are confident that this product will be accretive to earnings in 2024. Next, I'd like to shift to our view of the remainder of the year and the 2024. Our various sales strategies continue to increase the top of the sales funnel. Our controllable growth exceeded our expectations every quarter this year and that trend continued into October. Our qualified prospects at the end of the quarter were approximately 75% greater than the prior year quarter. Speaker 100:06:40If we close this business near our historical close rate plus close on our benefits opportunities, then we are setting ourselves up for a strong start to 2024. If there's no dislocation in the economy and we close out the year in the manner I as described, we expect to see improved gross billings growth in 2024 over 2023. Now I'm going to turn the call over to Anthony for his prepared remarks. Speaker 200:07:09Thanks, Gary, and hello, everyone. I'm pleased to report that we finished Q3 with strong results as we continue to exceed our expectations for profitability and worksite employees added in the quarter from net new clients. Our overall gross billings increased 3% in Q3 'twenty three to $1,960,000,000 versus $1,910,000,000 in Q3 'twenty two. We achieved diluted earnings per share of $2.68 compared to $2.45 in the prior year quarter. PEO gross billings increased 3.3% over the prior year quarter to $1,940,000 while staffing revenues decreased 25% over the prior year to $22,000,000 Our worksite employees grew by 1.1% in the quarter, which was the result of adding more WSEs than expected from net new PEO clients, offset in part by slower hiring within our existing customer base. Speaker 200:08:05Looking at client hiring more closely, we have seen overall hiring trends stabilize in quarter and increased modestly on a sequential basis, but the pace of hiring remains slower than historical trends and slower than expected. We continue to see this slowness primarily in the construction sector and most concentrated in our Northern California region. Average hours worked and overtime hours per employee have continued to stabilize in Speaker 100:08:35the quarter as Speaker 200:08:35well. Average billing per WSE increased 3.5% in the quarter, driven by higher average client wage rates, which remain resilient and which will continue to be a source of billings growth going forward. Looking at overall PEO gross billings growth by region versus the prior year Q3, East Coast grew 12%, Mountain States grew 8%, Southern California grew 5%, the Pacific Northwest decreased by 3% and Northern California decreased by 3%. As Gary discussed, staffing revenues are down year over year, driven by strategic shifts in our model and the current economic environment. That said, our staffing revenues increased sequentially, and we expect this stability to continue through year end. Speaker 200:09:29Our workers' compensation program continues to perform and benefit from favorable claim frequency trends and favorable claim development. This strong performance has once again and favorable adjustments for prior year claims. In Q3 'twenty three, we recognized favorable prior year liability and premium adjustments of $2,200,000 This compares to favorable prior year liability and premium adjustments of 1,400,000 in the Q3 of 2022. As a reminder, our client workers' compensation exposure is now primarily covered by our fully insured program with no retained liability by BBSI. Our gross margin rate improved in the quarter due to the cost savings from lower workers' compensation expense and our ongoing focus on pricing discipline. Speaker 200:10:21In addition, our profitability continues to benefit from cost management efforts that have largely offset the impact of our ongoing investments in the launch of BDSI benefits and our expanding team of market development managers. As a result, SG and A for the year continues to grow slower than prior year and slower than our billings growth rate. Moving to investment income. Our investment portfolios earned $2,300,000 in the 3rd quarter, up $700,000 from the prior year due to higher yields and more favorable cash flow timing associated with our current fully insured program. Our investment portfolio continues to be managed conservatively with an average duration of 3.5 years and average quality of investment at AA. Speaker 200:11:09Our balance sheet remains strong with $129,000,000 of unrestricted cash investments at September 30 and no debt. Continuing under the Board's July 2023 repurchase program announced last quarter, BBSI repurchased $11,000,000 of shares in the quarter with $64,000,000 remaining available under the program. The company also paid $2,000,000 in dividends in the quarter and reaffirmed its dividend for the following quarter. Turning to our outlook for the year. We are updating our outlook to reflect our year to date results, and we now expect gross billings to increase between 4% 5%, a slight decrease from the 4% to 6% in our prior outlook. Speaker 200:11:53And we expect average WSEs to increase between 2% 3% for the year, a slight decrease from the 2% to 4% in our prior outlook. We continue to expect gross margin as a percentage of gross billings to be between 3.1% and 3.15 percent, and we continue to expect our effective annual tax rate to remain between 27% 28%. I will now turn the call back to the operator for questions. Operator00:12:23Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will be conducting a question and answer the confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question Our first question comes from the line of Jeff Martin with ROTH Capital Partners. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 300:12:55Thanks. Good afternoon, Gary and Anthony. Hope you're doing well. I wanted to dive into a little bit more on the sales funnel, what are some of the things you're doing differently this year versus years past maybe that's leading you to hit your internal controllable targets? Speaker 100:13:16Yes. Hey, Jeff. I would say that we've had Laser focus on the top of the funnel. We've tried and refined over the past couple of years make sure that we're getting as many looks as we can, targeting clients directly, targeting referral partners, targeting benefits brokers. So it's really not just one easy button. Speaker 100:13:42It's a lot of different strategies that we have Been executing on over the past, I'll say, 2 plus years. And then we're really just seeing good results from that now. I said in my prepared remarks that our prospects, right, so these are qualified prospects that we're in the process with we're about 75% higher at the end of September than we were again September of 2022. So we've got that many more possible potential clients that can join into Q4, into Q1. So we're just We've got a lot of energy going there and hopefully we're going to see the reward of it going into Q4 into Q1. Speaker 300:14:26Great. And then remind us on the BBSI Benefits side, what's the investment this year and next year that you've got to essentially cover to become earnings accretive there? And then second part to that question is, can you give us an update on some of the new referral partners that you've brought on board, some specifically for VVSI benefits, would be helpful. Thanks. Sure. Speaker 200:14:53This is Anthony. Hey, Jeff. I'll take the investment question and then Gary can speak to the referral partners. But we sent about $3,000,000 of total expense investment to operate this program. So That's essentially the run rate we're at right now. Speaker 200:15:09Obviously, as it scales over time, that could change a Speaker 100:15:11little bit, but that's Speaker 400:15:13where we're at. Speaker 100:15:15And then on the referral partner side, we I have the stat, I just don't have it with me for how many new referral partners we brought in, in the quarter, but we have a constant to attract new referral partners. We've got an army of folks in the field that that's what they do on a day to day basis and they're doing it very well as far as making we call it making new friends. But we're part of that strategy as we talk about our total addressable market is we're now able to go to employee benefits brokers where Before, they could refer to us, but we didn't really have a product that they could sell into their clients because it wasn't didn't have the health insurance. But now that we have the health insurance, we're able to tap into almost twice as many employee brokerages out there. Speaker 300:16:06Great. And then last one for me. In terms of growth drivers for next year, obviously, a rebound in hiring from clients to be a big one, but is potential for workers' compensation rates in California in particular, is that are you doing that as a potential a growth driver next year? Speaker 100:16:31We're not seeing any I think I said in the prior calls that we're seeing some carriers be less aggressive than they were. There's still competition in the marketplace, but they're less aggressive than they were. But they're less aggressive than they were. We are not seeing anything that is driving accounts to market as far as rate increases on the workers' comp side. We're seeing some of that on the health insurance side. Speaker 100:16:54We're seeing clients go to market because They're getting 20 plus percent rate increases on their medical, so that's driving some accounts to market. But on the workers' comp, It's still trading in that plus or minus 2%, plus or minus 5%. It's not really a pain point that's driving business to market yet, and we're not forecasting that. Speaker 300:17:16Great. Thanks for taking my time. Operator00:17:21Our next question comes from the line of Chris Moore with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:17:29Hey, good afternoon guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just a quick follow-up, the $3,000,000 incremental expense on healthcare, some of that is in 2023 and some in 20 24 or where does that get placed? Speaker 200:17:43Annual expense was in 2023 and we ramped a little bit, but we were fully mostly fully staffed for the year. So that's the approximate run rate for 24 as well. Speaker 400:17:52Got it. And maybe just one more on the healthcare side. So Do you expect the ultimate penetration here to match the penetration of existing business, for example, 75% of the healthcare to be in California. Is there a geography bias? Is there some other bias by type of employment? Speaker 400:18:12Just trying to kind of get your thoughts there. Speaker 100:18:17As we are mastering our craft for benefits, we've had better success selling it into our installed base. So I think we said 160 clients that have enrolled through October of those 160. 20% of those are new business. So that's new to BBSI. We wouldn't have brought those clients on to call that 30. Speaker 100:18:43We would not have brought those clients on if we didn't have benefits. So that's allowing us to pick up additional business that we wouldn't have received. But as we're learning our craft, it's a little bit easier to sell it to your friends, right? And our clients, they know us well. They know the products we deliver. Speaker 100:18:58They trust it's a little bit of an easier sell to sell it into your installed base than to sell it to a new. But what we want to get to in the future is after we sell through the our installed base, continue to sell into new clients. But you can kind of see how this will ramp over time, right? We doubled the book on 7.1. We'll probably double it again on 11 as far as our portfolio of clients that buy the benefits and then we'll see where it goes from there. Speaker 400:19:28Got it. Helpful. And just kind of big picture, just trying to get a sense as to how much visibility you have in fiscal 2020 as of November 1. Do you know much today that you didn't know 3 to 4 months ago? Just trying to get a better sense as to how you're seeing early 2024. Speaker 300:19:49Yes. Speaker 100:19:52We feel you look at our pipeline that we have, we got 2 pipelines if you think of it. We got a pipeline of benefits opportunities And we feel good with that one if we close that at our historical benefits closing rate that we're going to have an Accretive year for benefits in 2024. So it's going to be we're going to make more than the $3,000,000 we're going to spend, right? We're not going to give a number until we get but we're going to make more than the $3,000,000 we're going to spend on it. And then if you look at the pipeline for our traditional non benefits prospects. Speaker 100:20:23That's the largest pipeline we've ever had at the end of Q3. If we do what we do and we're good at doing that, right? Over the last 2 years, we've really been executing on our controllable, right, of adding clients and adding If we keep doing what we're doing with the pipeline we have, we feel very optimistic about 2024. So If you say, all right, we've got all these good things going on the controllable side and then even if, say, Our client hiring is flat. It's going to be easy for us to have a better gross billings year in 2024 over 2023. Speaker 400:21:04Got it. That's helpful. I will leave it there. Thanks, guys. Operator00:21:11Our next question comes from the line of Vincent Colicchio with Barrington Research. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:21:19Yes, Gary. I get cited construction as a weak sector. If I remember correctly, that's been weak for some time. I'm curious, are you seeing that deteriorate? Speaker 100:21:31No. We actually saw it come back some in Q3. So sequentially, our clients hired in Q3 over Q2. It was a slight positive. It wasn't a big positive, but it was still positive. Speaker 100:21:47And I'll take a positive over a negative anytime. But if you think of when we started to Speaker 200:21:51see the slowdown in Speaker 100:21:51our clients, it was November In our clients, it was November, December of 'twenty two and then we saw it come back into Q1 of 'twenty three, Q2 of 'twenty three, and we've seen it slowly come back, reverse out in Q3. It's still early, but we're thinking especially in the Bay Area where we're seeing it come back. We're hoping that trend has reversed. Speaker 500:22:20And one clarification, did you say the profits gained from staffing clients within PEO offset losses from clients that you shared in the staffing line? Speaker 100:22:32So this is a challenging one to try to We do recruiting for our clients now and When we book the recruiting fee, say it's $10,000 right, we hire we recruit for our clients and they hire somebody and we get paid a $10,000 recruiting fee. So that's that recruiting fee is profit for us. The sale we recognize on that is 10,000. The profit we recognize, keep it simple, is 10,000. Now where that's different is if that was traditional staffing business and say that person was making $75,000 in wages, we would book the wages plus taxes plus other things into the revenue line. Speaker 100:23:14So that revenue would have been, call it, dollars 100,000 but we would have made our $10,000 in profit. So it's a little bit of a shift in the accounting for recruiting versus staffing. And all we're trying to say is we're making adequate margins on staffing. We're just not realizing we're making an adequate profit on staffing. We're just not realizing as much revenue as we used to nor are we realizing the cost of it. Speaker 500:23:42Okay. And then you mentioned Staffing, I believe you mentioned should grow sequentially. What's driving that is in particular? Speaker 200:23:55Yes. We had sequential growth in this quarter and we're projecting modest sequential growth next quarter. Again, we're talking small positives here, not large percentage sequential increases. But the key takeaway is the large declines really, we think, are behind us. And so the for example, the 25% decrease in revenue now is really representing just that year over year compare where if you look at the trend line now, it's flat to positive. Speaker 200:24:24So we're really holding that. We've seen, as Gary said, the activity in staffing that we're excited about. It's not necessarily leading to large increases in revenue, but it's still showing up as some revenue and certainly margin. Speaker 500:24:41As you go after bigger clients and the competitive, I think the competition is a little different. Are you seeing competitive pressures increase in the current environment? Speaker 100:24:57No more than normal. I mean there's competition everywhere. But With our product and our people in the field, it's really our differentiator, right? We can talk about all these different tools that we have as far as workers' comp or health insurance and yada, yada, yada. But The people in the field doing the work, being there with the business owner, that is the core product and That's what we're able to sell in the market. Speaker 100:25:21That's what keeps the business on the books. That's the one that the clients truly find the value is in those teams for that business unit. Speaker 500:25:29Okay. Thanks, Gary. Operator00:25:36Our next question comes from the line of Marc Riddick with Sidoti and Company. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:25:43Good evening, everyone. I wanted to just touch a little bit on the follow-up on the construction commentary. And if I want I just want to sort of go back because if I remember correctly from a timing perspective versus last year, there were impacts some beyond the controllables, if you will. If I remember correctly, you had weather impacts, I think, in if I remember correctly, both the Q4 and into the Q1. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the timing of maybe what you saw then and how that might sort of play out if I don't know if easing comparison is a fair way to put it, but I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about maybe what you saw there and how we might see it flow through this time around? Speaker 100:26:30Yes. We saw our clients start to shrink Q4 and it accelerated into Q1. It happened at the same time of you had interest rates going up really high, you had a shift in the macro economy. And then we also had terrible weather in California, specifically Northern Cal as well. So you had a consequence of all these things happening at the In time, it left us in that position of we think it's a piece of it's a little bit of each. Speaker 100:27:00It was hard to discern from where we were sitting what was going to happen. We thought it was going to come back in Q2 of 2023, but ultimately it didn't come back. But our confidence now is in those clients that reduce staff that we just referenced, we saw them hire more folks in Q3 and we saw sequentially our clients grow in Q3. So that's what gives us the They dipped for 3 quarters and then they pulled back and started to add people back into Q3 this year. Speaker 600:27:33Okay. Actually, yes, that's where I was going with that. And then I was sort of curious as to on a different track, but there is a little similarity there. So if you could bring us up to speed on maybe what you're seeing with the banking and finance customers. I mean, as we sort of anniversary those challenges that again are outside of the controllables, but maybe you can sort of bring us up to speed maybe on what you're seeing there? Speaker 200:27:55Yes. I mean, we really weren't that affected by the banking crisis a year ago. We don't have a lot of direct clients in that space. Obviously, all of our clients use banking services. So we were watching very closely to see if there were any impacts of our clients. Speaker 200:28:10It really wasn't a prevailing pain point beyond a few anecdotal stories. So really they recovered very quickly from that. I mean for our clients in the blue and gray collar space, the biggest headwind has been construction and really driven by the cyclical nature of that with interest rates. Speaker 600:28:32Okay, great. And then the last one for me, I was wondering if you could circle back to benefits for a moment. Are there any particular client verticals or any particular customer groups that are who have responded more positively than others? Or are there any differentiation that you're seeing as to those who are being part of that add? And then also maybe if you talk a little bit about the sales cycle and maybe how that's played out compared to what your expectations were? Speaker 600:29:07Thank you. Speaker 100:29:09Sure. So if you just think of who we're selling to. We're primarily trying to sell into our installed base. So that's really no new vertical for us, but we're having good success selling it into our installed base and really in every state, right? There's not a state that we're not able to sell into. Speaker 100:29:30So we feel comfortable that we have the product that works in every state, and that our clients are eager and willing to pay for. So we feel good there. The one thing I would just say that we're seeing success on is in our new markets, Right. So our market development managers, about 80% of the business they're bringing on For new business, they're selling benefits as well. So we feel pretty optimistic that in these Greenfield, they have many different products to sell and they try to figure out what's the best way to crack their market and they're doing a great job cracking their market. Speaker 100:30:07I'm proud of all of them. So just in general, in those new markets, we are seeing more white collar than blue collar just because of their comfort and maybe their works and the folks that they know because we're typically hiring folks that come from in around The business, I'll say, from our industry or adjacent industry. So feel good with the growth there. And then as the sales cycle, right, this is we know that this is not a quick sales cycle, right? It's typically going to take 3 months to 4 months, right? Speaker 100:30:46From the time you sell it, from the time you do the underwriting and you sell to Then you have to get the employees through the enrollment process. It just takes a little more lead time to get to make sure it's done properly, make sure it's done accurately. But Like we wish we could give you a better number right now, but we're right in the middle of the thick for the oneone season. Most of the folks are going to make their decisions Most of the clients are going to make their buying decisions in mid November mid to end November with the idea of Start your enrollments around Thanksgiving or in the 1st week of December so that you have everything wrapped up by mid December. But Until we get through those enrollments, we're not going to have a real good definitive estimate on what we think our sell through was for the oneone season. Speaker 600:31:36That's very helpful. Thank you very much. Operator00:31:41There are no further I'd like to hand the call back to management for closing remarks. Speaker 100:31:48Thank you. Just again, I want to thank all the BBSI professionals for another great quarter on controllable growth. Everybody is doing a great job and we appreciate everything you do for the organization. Thank you everybody. Operator00:32:01Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways BBSI reported another quarter of controllable growth, adding approximately 4,300 net new worksite employees and exceeding internal KPIs for new client acquisition and retention. In Q3, PEO gross billings rose 3.3% year-over-year to $1.94 billion and diluted EPS increased to $2.68, while staffing revenues fell 25% after repricing lower-margin clients and shifting to PEO recruiting. The launch of BBSI Benefits—a fully integrated health insurance offering—now spans all operating markets with 160 clients and over 3,500 participants, and a strong pipeline that could make it earnings-accretive in 2024. The company modestly lowered its full-year guidance, now expecting gross billings growth of 4–5% (versus 4–6%) and worksite employee growth of 2–3% (versus 2–4%). BBSI ended Q3 with $129 million in unrestricted cash, no debt, repurchased $11 million of shares under its buyback program, and reaffirmed its quarterly dividend. AI Generated. 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It offers professional employer services under which it enters into a client services agreement to establish a co-employment relationship with each client company, assuming responsibility for payroll, payroll taxes, workers compensation coverage, and other administration functions for the client's existing workforce. The company provides staffing and recruiting services, such as on-demand or short-term staffing assignment, contract staffing, direct placement, and long-term or indefinite-term on-site management services. It serves electronics manufacturers, light-manufacturing industries, agriculture-based companies, transportation and shipping enterprises, food processors, telecommunications companies, public utilities, general contractors in various construction-related fields, restaurant franchises, and professional services firms. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for participating in today's conference call to discuss BBSI's financial results for the Q3 ended September 30, 2023. Joining us today are BBSI's President and CEO, Mr. Gary Kramer and the company's CFO, Mr. Anthony Harris. Following their remarks, we will open the call for your questions. Operator00:00:24Before we go further, please take note of the company's Safe Harbor statement within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The statement provides important cautions regarding forward looking statements. The company's remarks during today's conference call will include forward looking statements. These statements, along with other information presented that does not reflect historical fact are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those implied by these forward looking statements. Operator00:01:02Please refer to the company's recent earnings release and to the company's quarterly and annual reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission for more information about the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those expressed or implied by the forward looking statements. I would like to remind everyone that this call will be available for replay through December 1, 2023, starting at 8 pm Eastern tonight. A webcast replay will also be available via the link provided in today's press release as well as available on the company's website at www.bbsi.com. Now I'd like to turn the call over to the President and Chief Executive Officer of BBSI, Mr. Gary Kramer. Operator00:01:53Sir, please go ahead. Speaker 100:01:56Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining the call. We had another strong quarter, and I am pleased with our results. We continue to execute on our short term and long term objectives and we surpassed all of our internal controllable key performance indicators. Regarding our client and WSE stack, our controllable growth exceeded our expectations in the quarter as we continued to execute on our various strategies to increase the top of the sales funnel, and I am pleased to say that we once again exceeded our expectations in new clients and in new worksite employees. Speaker 100:02:32As discussed previously, we have been able to sell and support larger clients with our upgraded technology stack, national PEO licenses along with BBSI benefits. This continues to progress favorably and the average size of the clients that we are adding are larger than the average size of the clients that are running off. Regarding client runoff, our retention in the quarter was better than the prior year quarter and continues to remain stronger than pre pandemic levels. I'd like to attribute that to the work we do with our clients and the value our teams provide. The result of all these efforts or what I refer to as our controllable growth is that we added approximately 4,300 worksite employees year over year from net new clients. Speaker 100:03:20This was partially offset by slower client hiring in the quarter. Our clients increased their workforce sequentially over the Q2, but by less than we were forecasting. Anthony will provide more color for the portfolio by geography and industry. To summarize, we grew our worksite employees by 1%, which was slightly lower than forecast for the quarter as we sold and retained more business, but this was partially offset by slower than anticipated client hiring. Moving to our staffing operations. Speaker 100:03:52Our staffing business declined by 25% over the prior year quarter and was slightly better than we anticipated. We mentioned previously that we repriced the portfolio and jettisoned clients where we were not achieving an adequate return. We also shifted our strategy to recruit for our PEO clients and placed 83 applicants in the quarter, which generated equal margin to our traditional staffing model, but resulted in less top line revenue. We also experienced microeconomic factors, including supply and demand imbalances, which varied by geography. Moving to the field operational updates. Speaker 100:04:33We are very pleased with our entrance into new markets with our asset light model. We have 14 total new market development managers that are in various stages of their development. They are doing well and largely achieving their goals of adding and servicing new clients and new referral partners and have a robust pipeline. Our results thus far are better than we expected and are exceeding our internal return hurdle rate, and we are actively recruiting for the next class. Regarding our product updates, we continue to execute on the sales and service of BBSI Benefits, our new health insurance offering. Speaker 100:05:12As a refresher, we rolled out our offering in California in the Q2 and are now selling and servicing BDSI Benefits in every market where we operate. I am pleased to report that through October, we have 160 clients on our various plans with more than 3,500 total participants. Our value proposition is resonating well and we are having success with small and large clients in white and blue collar industries in every state we operate and with a diverse distribution channel. We are in the thick of the oneone selling season and our business teams are offering BBSI benefits to our existing clients as well as potential new clients. It is still too early to provide any definitive guidance, but we are pleased with our current pipeline. Speaker 100:06:02If we close the current opportunities that are in our pipeline at our historical benefits closing rate, then we are confident that this product will be accretive to earnings in 2024. Next, I'd like to shift to our view of the remainder of the year and the 2024. Our various sales strategies continue to increase the top of the sales funnel. Our controllable growth exceeded our expectations every quarter this year and that trend continued into October. Our qualified prospects at the end of the quarter were approximately 75% greater than the prior year quarter. Speaker 100:06:40If we close this business near our historical close rate plus close on our benefits opportunities, then we are setting ourselves up for a strong start to 2024. If there's no dislocation in the economy and we close out the year in the manner I as described, we expect to see improved gross billings growth in 2024 over 2023. Now I'm going to turn the call over to Anthony for his prepared remarks. Speaker 200:07:09Thanks, Gary, and hello, everyone. I'm pleased to report that we finished Q3 with strong results as we continue to exceed our expectations for profitability and worksite employees added in the quarter from net new clients. Our overall gross billings increased 3% in Q3 'twenty three to $1,960,000,000 versus $1,910,000,000 in Q3 'twenty two. We achieved diluted earnings per share of $2.68 compared to $2.45 in the prior year quarter. PEO gross billings increased 3.3% over the prior year quarter to $1,940,000 while staffing revenues decreased 25% over the prior year to $22,000,000 Our worksite employees grew by 1.1% in the quarter, which was the result of adding more WSEs than expected from net new PEO clients, offset in part by slower hiring within our existing customer base. Speaker 200:08:05Looking at client hiring more closely, we have seen overall hiring trends stabilize in quarter and increased modestly on a sequential basis, but the pace of hiring remains slower than historical trends and slower than expected. We continue to see this slowness primarily in the construction sector and most concentrated in our Northern California region. Average hours worked and overtime hours per employee have continued to stabilize in Speaker 100:08:35the quarter as Speaker 200:08:35well. Average billing per WSE increased 3.5% in the quarter, driven by higher average client wage rates, which remain resilient and which will continue to be a source of billings growth going forward. Looking at overall PEO gross billings growth by region versus the prior year Q3, East Coast grew 12%, Mountain States grew 8%, Southern California grew 5%, the Pacific Northwest decreased by 3% and Northern California decreased by 3%. As Gary discussed, staffing revenues are down year over year, driven by strategic shifts in our model and the current economic environment. That said, our staffing revenues increased sequentially, and we expect this stability to continue through year end. Speaker 200:09:29Our workers' compensation program continues to perform and benefit from favorable claim frequency trends and favorable claim development. This strong performance has once again and favorable adjustments for prior year claims. In Q3 'twenty three, we recognized favorable prior year liability and premium adjustments of $2,200,000 This compares to favorable prior year liability and premium adjustments of 1,400,000 in the Q3 of 2022. As a reminder, our client workers' compensation exposure is now primarily covered by our fully insured program with no retained liability by BBSI. Our gross margin rate improved in the quarter due to the cost savings from lower workers' compensation expense and our ongoing focus on pricing discipline. Speaker 200:10:21In addition, our profitability continues to benefit from cost management efforts that have largely offset the impact of our ongoing investments in the launch of BDSI benefits and our expanding team of market development managers. As a result, SG and A for the year continues to grow slower than prior year and slower than our billings growth rate. Moving to investment income. Our investment portfolios earned $2,300,000 in the 3rd quarter, up $700,000 from the prior year due to higher yields and more favorable cash flow timing associated with our current fully insured program. Our investment portfolio continues to be managed conservatively with an average duration of 3.5 years and average quality of investment at AA. Speaker 200:11:09Our balance sheet remains strong with $129,000,000 of unrestricted cash investments at September 30 and no debt. Continuing under the Board's July 2023 repurchase program announced last quarter, BBSI repurchased $11,000,000 of shares in the quarter with $64,000,000 remaining available under the program. The company also paid $2,000,000 in dividends in the quarter and reaffirmed its dividend for the following quarter. Turning to our outlook for the year. We are updating our outlook to reflect our year to date results, and we now expect gross billings to increase between 4% 5%, a slight decrease from the 4% to 6% in our prior outlook. Speaker 200:11:53And we expect average WSEs to increase between 2% 3% for the year, a slight decrease from the 2% to 4% in our prior outlook. We continue to expect gross margin as a percentage of gross billings to be between 3.1% and 3.15 percent, and we continue to expect our effective annual tax rate to remain between 27% 28%. I will now turn the call back to the operator for questions. Operator00:12:23Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will be conducting a question and answer the confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question Our first question comes from the line of Jeff Martin with ROTH Capital Partners. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 300:12:55Thanks. Good afternoon, Gary and Anthony. Hope you're doing well. I wanted to dive into a little bit more on the sales funnel, what are some of the things you're doing differently this year versus years past maybe that's leading you to hit your internal controllable targets? Speaker 100:13:16Yes. Hey, Jeff. I would say that we've had Laser focus on the top of the funnel. We've tried and refined over the past couple of years make sure that we're getting as many looks as we can, targeting clients directly, targeting referral partners, targeting benefits brokers. So it's really not just one easy button. Speaker 100:13:42It's a lot of different strategies that we have Been executing on over the past, I'll say, 2 plus years. And then we're really just seeing good results from that now. I said in my prepared remarks that our prospects, right, so these are qualified prospects that we're in the process with we're about 75% higher at the end of September than we were again September of 2022. So we've got that many more possible potential clients that can join into Q4, into Q1. So we're just We've got a lot of energy going there and hopefully we're going to see the reward of it going into Q4 into Q1. Speaker 300:14:26Great. And then remind us on the BBSI Benefits side, what's the investment this year and next year that you've got to essentially cover to become earnings accretive there? And then second part to that question is, can you give us an update on some of the new referral partners that you've brought on board, some specifically for VVSI benefits, would be helpful. Thanks. Sure. Speaker 200:14:53This is Anthony. Hey, Jeff. I'll take the investment question and then Gary can speak to the referral partners. But we sent about $3,000,000 of total expense investment to operate this program. So That's essentially the run rate we're at right now. Speaker 200:15:09Obviously, as it scales over time, that could change a Speaker 100:15:11little bit, but that's Speaker 400:15:13where we're at. Speaker 100:15:15And then on the referral partner side, we I have the stat, I just don't have it with me for how many new referral partners we brought in, in the quarter, but we have a constant to attract new referral partners. We've got an army of folks in the field that that's what they do on a day to day basis and they're doing it very well as far as making we call it making new friends. But we're part of that strategy as we talk about our total addressable market is we're now able to go to employee benefits brokers where Before, they could refer to us, but we didn't really have a product that they could sell into their clients because it wasn't didn't have the health insurance. But now that we have the health insurance, we're able to tap into almost twice as many employee brokerages out there. Speaker 300:16:06Great. And then last one for me. In terms of growth drivers for next year, obviously, a rebound in hiring from clients to be a big one, but is potential for workers' compensation rates in California in particular, is that are you doing that as a potential a growth driver next year? Speaker 100:16:31We're not seeing any I think I said in the prior calls that we're seeing some carriers be less aggressive than they were. There's still competition in the marketplace, but they're less aggressive than they were. But they're less aggressive than they were. We are not seeing anything that is driving accounts to market as far as rate increases on the workers' comp side. We're seeing some of that on the health insurance side. Speaker 100:16:54We're seeing clients go to market because They're getting 20 plus percent rate increases on their medical, so that's driving some accounts to market. But on the workers' comp, It's still trading in that plus or minus 2%, plus or minus 5%. It's not really a pain point that's driving business to market yet, and we're not forecasting that. Speaker 300:17:16Great. Thanks for taking my time. Operator00:17:21Our next question comes from the line of Chris Moore with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 400:17:29Hey, good afternoon guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just a quick follow-up, the $3,000,000 incremental expense on healthcare, some of that is in 2023 and some in 20 24 or where does that get placed? Speaker 200:17:43Annual expense was in 2023 and we ramped a little bit, but we were fully mostly fully staffed for the year. So that's the approximate run rate for 24 as well. Speaker 400:17:52Got it. And maybe just one more on the healthcare side. So Do you expect the ultimate penetration here to match the penetration of existing business, for example, 75% of the healthcare to be in California. Is there a geography bias? Is there some other bias by type of employment? Speaker 400:18:12Just trying to kind of get your thoughts there. Speaker 100:18:17As we are mastering our craft for benefits, we've had better success selling it into our installed base. So I think we said 160 clients that have enrolled through October of those 160. 20% of those are new business. So that's new to BBSI. We wouldn't have brought those clients on to call that 30. Speaker 100:18:43We would not have brought those clients on if we didn't have benefits. So that's allowing us to pick up additional business that we wouldn't have received. But as we're learning our craft, it's a little bit easier to sell it to your friends, right? And our clients, they know us well. They know the products we deliver. Speaker 100:18:58They trust it's a little bit of an easier sell to sell it into your installed base than to sell it to a new. But what we want to get to in the future is after we sell through the our installed base, continue to sell into new clients. But you can kind of see how this will ramp over time, right? We doubled the book on 7.1. We'll probably double it again on 11 as far as our portfolio of clients that buy the benefits and then we'll see where it goes from there. Speaker 400:19:28Got it. Helpful. And just kind of big picture, just trying to get a sense as to how much visibility you have in fiscal 2020 as of November 1. Do you know much today that you didn't know 3 to 4 months ago? Just trying to get a better sense as to how you're seeing early 2024. Speaker 300:19:49Yes. Speaker 100:19:52We feel you look at our pipeline that we have, we got 2 pipelines if you think of it. We got a pipeline of benefits opportunities And we feel good with that one if we close that at our historical benefits closing rate that we're going to have an Accretive year for benefits in 2024. So it's going to be we're going to make more than the $3,000,000 we're going to spend, right? We're not going to give a number until we get but we're going to make more than the $3,000,000 we're going to spend on it. And then if you look at the pipeline for our traditional non benefits prospects. Speaker 100:20:23That's the largest pipeline we've ever had at the end of Q3. If we do what we do and we're good at doing that, right? Over the last 2 years, we've really been executing on our controllable, right, of adding clients and adding If we keep doing what we're doing with the pipeline we have, we feel very optimistic about 2024. So If you say, all right, we've got all these good things going on the controllable side and then even if, say, Our client hiring is flat. It's going to be easy for us to have a better gross billings year in 2024 over 2023. Speaker 400:21:04Got it. That's helpful. I will leave it there. Thanks, guys. Operator00:21:11Our next question comes from the line of Vincent Colicchio with Barrington Research. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 500:21:19Yes, Gary. I get cited construction as a weak sector. If I remember correctly, that's been weak for some time. I'm curious, are you seeing that deteriorate? Speaker 100:21:31No. We actually saw it come back some in Q3. So sequentially, our clients hired in Q3 over Q2. It was a slight positive. It wasn't a big positive, but it was still positive. Speaker 100:21:47And I'll take a positive over a negative anytime. But if you think of when we started to Speaker 200:21:51see the slowdown in Speaker 100:21:51our clients, it was November In our clients, it was November, December of 'twenty two and then we saw it come back into Q1 of 'twenty three, Q2 of 'twenty three, and we've seen it slowly come back, reverse out in Q3. It's still early, but we're thinking especially in the Bay Area where we're seeing it come back. We're hoping that trend has reversed. Speaker 500:22:20And one clarification, did you say the profits gained from staffing clients within PEO offset losses from clients that you shared in the staffing line? Speaker 100:22:32So this is a challenging one to try to We do recruiting for our clients now and When we book the recruiting fee, say it's $10,000 right, we hire we recruit for our clients and they hire somebody and we get paid a $10,000 recruiting fee. So that's that recruiting fee is profit for us. The sale we recognize on that is 10,000. The profit we recognize, keep it simple, is 10,000. Now where that's different is if that was traditional staffing business and say that person was making $75,000 in wages, we would book the wages plus taxes plus other things into the revenue line. Speaker 100:23:14So that revenue would have been, call it, dollars 100,000 but we would have made our $10,000 in profit. So it's a little bit of a shift in the accounting for recruiting versus staffing. And all we're trying to say is we're making adequate margins on staffing. We're just not realizing we're making an adequate profit on staffing. We're just not realizing as much revenue as we used to nor are we realizing the cost of it. Speaker 500:23:42Okay. And then you mentioned Staffing, I believe you mentioned should grow sequentially. What's driving that is in particular? Speaker 200:23:55Yes. We had sequential growth in this quarter and we're projecting modest sequential growth next quarter. Again, we're talking small positives here, not large percentage sequential increases. But the key takeaway is the large declines really, we think, are behind us. And so the for example, the 25% decrease in revenue now is really representing just that year over year compare where if you look at the trend line now, it's flat to positive. Speaker 200:24:24So we're really holding that. We've seen, as Gary said, the activity in staffing that we're excited about. It's not necessarily leading to large increases in revenue, but it's still showing up as some revenue and certainly margin. Speaker 500:24:41As you go after bigger clients and the competitive, I think the competition is a little different. Are you seeing competitive pressures increase in the current environment? Speaker 100:24:57No more than normal. I mean there's competition everywhere. But With our product and our people in the field, it's really our differentiator, right? We can talk about all these different tools that we have as far as workers' comp or health insurance and yada, yada, yada. But The people in the field doing the work, being there with the business owner, that is the core product and That's what we're able to sell in the market. Speaker 100:25:21That's what keeps the business on the books. That's the one that the clients truly find the value is in those teams for that business unit. Speaker 500:25:29Okay. Thanks, Gary. Operator00:25:36Our next question comes from the line of Marc Riddick with Sidoti and Company. Please proceed with your question. Speaker 600:25:43Good evening, everyone. I wanted to just touch a little bit on the follow-up on the construction commentary. And if I want I just want to sort of go back because if I remember correctly from a timing perspective versus last year, there were impacts some beyond the controllables, if you will. If I remember correctly, you had weather impacts, I think, in if I remember correctly, both the Q4 and into the Q1. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the timing of maybe what you saw then and how that might sort of play out if I don't know if easing comparison is a fair way to put it, but I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about maybe what you saw there and how we might see it flow through this time around? Speaker 100:26:30Yes. We saw our clients start to shrink Q4 and it accelerated into Q1. It happened at the same time of you had interest rates going up really high, you had a shift in the macro economy. And then we also had terrible weather in California, specifically Northern Cal as well. So you had a consequence of all these things happening at the In time, it left us in that position of we think it's a piece of it's a little bit of each. Speaker 100:27:00It was hard to discern from where we were sitting what was going to happen. We thought it was going to come back in Q2 of 2023, but ultimately it didn't come back. But our confidence now is in those clients that reduce staff that we just referenced, we saw them hire more folks in Q3 and we saw sequentially our clients grow in Q3. So that's what gives us the They dipped for 3 quarters and then they pulled back and started to add people back into Q3 this year. Speaker 600:27:33Okay. Actually, yes, that's where I was going with that. And then I was sort of curious as to on a different track, but there is a little similarity there. So if you could bring us up to speed on maybe what you're seeing with the banking and finance customers. I mean, as we sort of anniversary those challenges that again are outside of the controllables, but maybe you can sort of bring us up to speed maybe on what you're seeing there? Speaker 200:27:55Yes. I mean, we really weren't that affected by the banking crisis a year ago. We don't have a lot of direct clients in that space. Obviously, all of our clients use banking services. So we were watching very closely to see if there were any impacts of our clients. Speaker 200:28:10It really wasn't a prevailing pain point beyond a few anecdotal stories. So really they recovered very quickly from that. I mean for our clients in the blue and gray collar space, the biggest headwind has been construction and really driven by the cyclical nature of that with interest rates. Speaker 600:28:32Okay, great. And then the last one for me, I was wondering if you could circle back to benefits for a moment. Are there any particular client verticals or any particular customer groups that are who have responded more positively than others? Or are there any differentiation that you're seeing as to those who are being part of that add? And then also maybe if you talk a little bit about the sales cycle and maybe how that's played out compared to what your expectations were? Speaker 600:29:07Thank you. Speaker 100:29:09Sure. So if you just think of who we're selling to. We're primarily trying to sell into our installed base. So that's really no new vertical for us, but we're having good success selling it into our installed base and really in every state, right? There's not a state that we're not able to sell into. Speaker 100:29:30So we feel comfortable that we have the product that works in every state, and that our clients are eager and willing to pay for. So we feel good there. The one thing I would just say that we're seeing success on is in our new markets, Right. So our market development managers, about 80% of the business they're bringing on For new business, they're selling benefits as well. So we feel pretty optimistic that in these Greenfield, they have many different products to sell and they try to figure out what's the best way to crack their market and they're doing a great job cracking their market. Speaker 100:30:07I'm proud of all of them. So just in general, in those new markets, we are seeing more white collar than blue collar just because of their comfort and maybe their works and the folks that they know because we're typically hiring folks that come from in around The business, I'll say, from our industry or adjacent industry. So feel good with the growth there. And then as the sales cycle, right, this is we know that this is not a quick sales cycle, right? It's typically going to take 3 months to 4 months, right? Speaker 100:30:46From the time you sell it, from the time you do the underwriting and you sell to Then you have to get the employees through the enrollment process. It just takes a little more lead time to get to make sure it's done properly, make sure it's done accurately. But Like we wish we could give you a better number right now, but we're right in the middle of the thick for the oneone season. Most of the folks are going to make their decisions Most of the clients are going to make their buying decisions in mid November mid to end November with the idea of Start your enrollments around Thanksgiving or in the 1st week of December so that you have everything wrapped up by mid December. But Until we get through those enrollments, we're not going to have a real good definitive estimate on what we think our sell through was for the oneone season. Speaker 600:31:36That's very helpful. Thank you very much. Operator00:31:41There are no further I'd like to hand the call back to management for closing remarks. Speaker 100:31:48Thank you. Just again, I want to thank all the BBSI professionals for another great quarter on controllable growth. Everybody is doing a great job and we appreciate everything you do for the organization. Thank you everybody. Operator00:32:01Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day.Read morePowered by