Climb Global Solutions Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Morning, everyone, and thank you for participating in today's conference call to discuss Climb Global Solutions Financial Results for the 3rd Quarter Ended September 30, 2023. Joining us today are Climb's CEO, Mr. Dale Foster the company's CFO, Mr. Drew Clark and the company's Investor Relations Advisor, Mr. Sean Mansouri with Elevate IR.

Operator

By now, everyone should have access to the Q3 2023 earnings press release, which was issued yesterday afternoon at approximately 4:0:5 p. M. Eastern Time. The release is available in the Investor Relations section of Climb Global Solutions' website at www.climbglobalsolutions.com. This call will also be available for webcast replay on the company's website.

Operator

Following management remarks, we'll open up the call for your questions. I'd now like to turn the call over to Mr. Mansouri for introductory comments.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Before I introduce Dale, I'd like to remind listeners that certain comments made on this conference call and webcast are considered forward looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward looking statements are subject to certain known and unknown risks and uncertainties, as well as assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from those reflected in these forward looking statements. These forward looking statements are also subject to other risks and uncertainties that are described from time to time in the company's filings with the SEC. Do not place undue reliance on any forward looking statements, which are being made only as of the date of this call.

Speaker 1

Except as required by law, the company undertakes no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revision to any forward looking statements. Our presentation also includes certain non GAAP financial measures, including adjusted gross billings, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income and EPS, as well as effective margin as supplemental measures of performance of our business. All non GAAP measures have been reconciled to the most directly comparable GAAP measures in accordance with SEC rules. You'll find reconciliation charts and other important information in the earnings press release and Form 8 ks we furnished to the SEC yesterday. I'll now turn the call over to Klim's CEO, Dale Foster.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Sean, and good morning, everyone. We made steady progress on our core initiatives during the quarter as reflected by another period of organic growth and profitability alongside our recent acquisition of Data Solutions. At a high level, this acquisition enables us to deepen our line card and efficiently grow market share in Europe. I'd like to publicly welcome the Data Solutions team to the Climb family and look forward to working with a new team in the months ahead. As we previously mentioned, our commitment is to have a focused vendor line card by selecting the most innovative technology companies in the market.

Speaker 2

Out of our 29 brands that we evaluated in the 3rd quarter, we signed agreements with only 3 of them. I'd like to quickly highlight a couple of these wins. First, we partnered with Gig IO, a pioneer in artificial intelligence and high performance data center solutions. This collaboration represents another step forward in our data center product line and will enable us to deliver additional cutting edge solutions to the channel to optimize data center operations. Next, we kicked off our relationship with Security Compass, a leading provider of cybersecurity solutions that integrates directly with existing DevSecOps tools and workflows allowing organizations to release secure and compliant software to the market quickly and cost effectively.

Speaker 2

We are excited to collaborate with each of these vendors and bring their products to market, building a mutually beneficial relationship along the way. In early October, we closed the acquisition of Data Solutions headquartered in Dublin, Ireland, a leading security distributor of leading specialty distributor of cloud and security solutions with sales in both Ireland and the UK. Data Solutions brings a deep network of relationships to Climb, including 14 focused vendor partnerships such as Check Point, Citrix, Neustar, to name a few. In addition to their strong vendor relationships, Data Solutions carries a robust Recurring revenue base with more than 90% of the fiscal 2023 revenue coming from existing partners. We expect this acquisition to be immediately accretive to earnings and adjusted EBITDA.

Speaker 2

We've already identified cross selling opportunities and look forward to unlocking additional potential as we integrate data solutions into the Climb operating systems in the months ahead. Shortly after the acquisition of Data Solutions, we announced our technical services division known as Cloud Know How completed a rebound to Climb Global Services. This rebranding signifies our commitment to unifying our operating divisions under 1 uniform brand to build a truly global platform. Currently, our service team delivers migration, modernization, management and services for MSP's resellers and their respective end users, clients on platforms such as Microsoft Azure, ManageEngine and Acronis. We're excited about the continued expanding of our professional services arm to provide a more comprehensive solution for our growing customer base across the globe.

Speaker 2

Quickly touching on the macro environment. Despite broader challenges and global uncertainty, our vendor and acquisition pipelines remain strong and customer sentiment for the next year continues to be positive. We continue to monitor our evolving economic landscape and the potential of softening in the markets we serve, particularly where large competitors have experienced softness in the hardware sector. However, we believe we are still well positioned to drive value and growth to our customers and vendors in the future as we scale our global footprint. As I've mentioned before, our team is always focused on the long game.

Speaker 2

Looking ahead, we will remain diligent in our M and A strategy as we evaluate opportunities that can bolster our line card and are immediately linked to our financial profile, both in North America and overseas. With a strong balance sheet and a robust pipeline of targets, we can be selective as we pursue acquisitions that will further add scale as we align with our culture and strategic goals. With this, I will turn the call over to our CFO, Drew Clarkian, who will take you through the financial results. Thank you. Drew?

Speaker 3

Thank you, David, and good morning, everyone. As for our Fugro Third Financial Results, I would like to remind everyone that all comparisons and various As reported in our earnings press release, Adjusted gross billings or AGB, which is a non GAAP measure, increased 7% compared to of $4,200,000 compared to 6 Financial reporting purposes under GAAP. In the 3rd quarter, we had an increase in sales of security, maintenance and flat products, which recorded net of related cost of sales and therefore leads to a closure adjustment from ADP to that sales. Gross profit in the third increased 6% to $14,300,000 compared to $17,500,000 Again, the increase was primarily driven by organic growth from new vendors and our existing top 20 vendors in North America and Europe. This growth was partly offset by several large customers taking advantage of early pay discounts or EP compared to the year ago period.

Speaker 3

For example, in the month of September, we had approximately $500,000 more in EP taken as compared to the prior year. Turning to our balance sheet. Cash and cash equivalents were 40 of $9,800,000 on September 30, 2023 compared to $20,200,000 on December 31, 2022, while working capital increased by $5,200,000 during this period. The increase in cash was primarily attributed to the timing of receivable collections and vendor payments. The benefit of increased EP is the timely collection of our receivables, which has maintained our DSO metric in the U.

Speaker 3

S. Below 32 days. As of September 30, 2023, we had $1,400,000 of outstanding debt with no borrowings outstanding under our $50,000,000 revolving credit facility with JPMorgan Chase. Subsequent to quarter end and consistent with prior quarters, our Board of Directors declared on October 31, 2023, a quarterly dividend of $0.17 per share of our common stock payable on November 17, 2023, to shareholders of record as of November 13, 2023. Looking ahead, we will continue to leverage our strong liquidity position to explore acquisition opportunities in both domestic and international markets.

Speaker 3

This will enable us to expand our service and solution offerings, reach new customers and accelerate our expansion into new markets. We look forward to closing out the Q4 on a strong note and continuing to execute our game plan in 2024 and beyond. This now concludes our prepared remarks. We will now open it up for questions from those participating in the call. Operator, back to you.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question and answer session. Our first question comes from Vince Colicchio with Barrington Research. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Yes. Hello, guys. I just want to call out that, couldn't hear Drew's comments very well until he started talking about the balance sheet. Having said that, Dale, curious if any vendor categories slowed in the quarter versus your expectations and how the overall business is trending in October?

Speaker 2

Yes. Just for looking at the Q, I mean, we had we looked at we had some pockets typically the government fiscal year end September 30, And we had a tough comparable from the year before, but we just have some couple of pockets that were soft, but they were by territories and not really by power product categories. So two things we kind of measure, Vince, and that is what does our quote volume look like because we can track over the years what the quote The order turned into we had some of it pushed into Q4. I can just tell you Q4 looks good from some of The vendors that we've signed and the ones we're going besides the data solutions that we're integrating those teams, both Mostly on a sales and marketing standpoint, but we haven't noticed then. We are looking at the amount of pipeline like I think it's one of our biggest quarters of evaluating new vendors that are coming at us at 29.

Speaker 2

It's a big number and signing 3 of them. We still have 3 in the pipe that we're not able to launch Just due to timing of that many vendors coming at us. And I think the last thing I'll mention is we talked about signing some of these vendors and trying to keep a limited Lime Card. What we don't really talk about publicly is that we push vendors that are not performing or performing at a More of a flat level, they go to our division called Climb Elevate and they get transacted, but they don't get access to our sales and marketing teams like a vendor in our core portfolio. So we still transact when they're ready to really put money into the market or hire Team members that are going to cover territories, then we can bring them back into the fold.

Speaker 2

But other than that, they stay into our Climb Elevate team.

Speaker 4

And did your top 20 vendors perform in line with the rest of the business?

Speaker 2

They did across the board. Those The ones that are driving that and same with our customers. We had some of our larger customers a little flat in the quarter as well. And we had some stuff on our Spinnaker side we can Talk about that got pushed into Q4 that we already have those orders in. We just didn't get them in the last week of September.

Speaker 4

And then on data solutions, any help on what type of revenue contribution you expect in Q4 and maybe 2024? Drew?

Speaker 3

Yes. At this point, we're not going to share that information, Vince, but we'll try and provide some info as we get into the Q4 earnings call.

Speaker 4

Okay. And then So the organic growth for the quarter, I assume very little came from your Spinnaker acquisition. Is that correct?

Speaker 3

Correct. Yes, Spinnaker contributed very little in the prior year quarter, required them in August and did not have a big had a very minor contribution in this quarter.

Speaker 4

Okay. I'll go back to the queue. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Makes sense.

Operator

Thank you. Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from Howard Root, an individual investor. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Good morning, Dale and Drew. Congratulations on another solid quarter. Can you hear me okay?

Speaker 2

Sure can. Thanks, Albert.

Speaker 5

Sure. If I could ask just a couple of questions on the Data Solutions acquisition, just to get a little bit more kind of detail on the numbers. So As I see it, you paid around a little over $16,000,000 for it and then there's a post closing earn out and without giving the amount, is that like a 10% Potential or is that more substantial of a potential earn out amount for that acquisition?

Speaker 3

Yes. The earn out has a range, Howard, that would be 85% to 115 percent of the EBITDA number. So it's going to be Probably in terms of the consideration that we've disclosed in the filings, it's going to be about 15% to 20%.

Speaker 5

Okay. So and with EBITDA of $3,300,000 in the fiscal year March 31 for that, you're paying around 5 Times EBITDA, is that kind of the way you look at acquisitions going forward? Is that a kind of normal pricing for you?

Speaker 3

We were fortunate to get a little bit of a discount On the EBITDA multiple, but as we said before, over in Europe, the transactions will probably have a slight premium But due to the fact that the deal I'd say, the Germans are from the Germans are from the right. So We would expect actually multiple to be slightly higher than that on a go forward basis in Western Europe, but we thought there was a fair transaction for those associates than And Howard, just

Speaker 2

to get a little more detail. So when we look at the acquisitions, we look at where we're trading at and that's typical if it's in North America and then we might still look at that a little bit more. We also look at the concentration, if there's a discount because of the attrition of vendors or customers. And then also, if we look at their margin profile, there's a lot of things that go into it. This one came out from a company that was running the book on and they were basically pushed out to multiple distributors that were Looking at them as they're being attractive, not only for the Irish market, but for some of their vendors.

Speaker 2

And the one that jumps out of the page, it should jump out as almost a Tier 1 vendor with Citrix. And Citrix and Microsoft go very well and that's one of the ones we have as a distributor in the U. K. That we want to bolster to go to the And with our 2 companies combined, we can do that in an effective way and be efficient delivering those product categories.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then just kind of a final one on that. So, can you give us kind of a perspective on their Q3, Not looking forward, but for Data Solutions Q3, is what the amount the adjusted gross billings or net revenue, I realized you didn't have any of that in for your number, But if they've been added in, is that a $10,000,000 increase in Q3? Is that a $5,000,000 increase in Q3 and adjusted gross billings if you had them in your Fold for that quarter?

Speaker 3

Yes. So there's a little bit of cyclicality to their business. And if you looked at, again, as we've said in Q4, Howard, they will be accretive. Obviously, at the top line, they'll be accretive in terms of EBITDA, and they'll be accretive for us in terms of an EPS calculation. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me and wouldn't want to necessarily Talk about those at the moment, but it's going to be a very, very good transaction for us ultimately.

Speaker 5

But

Speaker 2

I think it's a fair number, Howard, them being over $130,000,000 in adjusted gross billings, not on net sales because we'll have to go through all the netting process, but

Speaker 5

Right. Right.

Speaker 2

I know it's bringing around $10,000,000 a month, but then they have some cyclicality. But they also have some the core business with some of their top vendors. And we talked about it in some of the early releases that they start in the Irish market Very strong there. When we were presenting this to the Board for approval, you look at the vendors that they have and the percentage of market share and wallet that they have For the Irish side is in the 90 percentile, but it and then they moved in the last three and a half years to the UK and are quickly gaining market So where they go, they tend to be, one of the leaders in that space of their product mix.

Speaker 5

And do you see that having legs outside of the U. K? Or is

Speaker 2

that kind of where it stops for? Of course, we take a look at their top five brands, we take a look at their contracts and say, okay, can we expand this contract into the rest of Western Europe And we found some really unique things in the company. And that is they already since they're an EU country, It's easy to ship into the other 28 EU states, so it makes it easy for us after the Brexit happened. So that's potential and some of their contracts. But we've already looked and added them to some of our existing contracts for our vendors that we had in common like, I think it was Cato and Orca.

Speaker 2

But yes, we'll to do that. If we were able to expand, and this is some of our first conversations Citrix to other places, I think that would be a big win for us on top Just the team we acquired.

Speaker 5

Yes. Dare I say, huge win for you.

Speaker 3

Yes. Thank

Speaker 5

you. My second question generally is, I'm looking at Q4, which last year you just knocked the cover off the ball with your adjusted gross billings about $320,000,000 which is a big step up obviously from Q3 and it's obviously seasonally your quarter. But you have words in the press release about broader challenges in the macro environment and There's other issues, global uncertainty, that kind of thing. But in terms of posting a number above that kind of With the data solutions maybe adding $30,000,000 or so in adjusted gross billings, are you confident in exceeding last year's exceptionally strong number in Q4 For your adjusted gross billings?

Speaker 2

You're talking to a sales marketing guy. So yes, I'm very confident, Howard, and what the team is performing. We already have October numbers as Drew and his team put out a flash report. So we're on track. That's our goal to do that.

Speaker 2

I don't Yes, there could be some obstacles as far as getting stuff in the last couple of days because a lot of everybody waits and we just the vendors wait to push these things in. Like I said, we track our quote volumes, so we can know if there's going to be a dip coming in because we know how many quotes it takes to get one order depending on certain We track that data, but we I'm comfortable that we'll be on target for Q4.

Speaker 5

Great, great. Well, congrats again on another solid quarter. Love the continued focus on performance and execution. Thanks.

Speaker 2

Got it. Thanks, Howard.

Speaker 3

Operator, excuse me, can you hear us okay?

Operator

Yes. You're coming clear on my side. I know a few people are working on the back end for some of our listeners. Please standby for our next question. Our next question comes from Bill Dezellem with Titan Capital Management.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Thank you. I'll just say Drew in relation to your last question as you were answering the prior questioner's There was a lot of garble that came through and was not only difficult to decipher, but Like indecipherable on this side. Relative to my question, the early pay discounts, I am surprised with higher interest rates that your customers are doing additional early pay discounts or more early pay discounts this year than they did last year. So have you raised Your incentive for the early pay discounts or what's the dynamic behind the scenes there please?

Speaker 3

Sure. Bill, can you hear me?

Speaker 6

Yes.

Speaker 3

Okay. So the dynamic is, we have one of our large DMRs that historically was very inconsistent. They're not publicly traded or private. And they brought on a new CFO about a year and a half ago, who's reorganizing his team. They're focused on A number of different initiatives and for whatever motivation, they are now adhering to the timeframe early pay discount.

Speaker 3

Don't have a real understanding as to why, but we just know that that's been a mandate from him to his team to not forego the early pay discount. I don't know again what their balance sheet, their financing terms look like, but they're taking full advantage of it now. They were probably taking early pay Maybe 30% to 40% of the time, it was very inconsistent. We didn't have any rhyme or reason, but they're now taking it.

Speaker 6

So in terms of assuming that that behavior continues over the course of the next 12 months, then we won't have the same increase at least from them in early pay And the comparables will be a bit more even. Is that kind of how you are looking at it?

Speaker 3

Correct. And as we've stated, we were very Positive on the fact that we were able to maintain gross profit as a percentage of adjusted gross billings at a consistent level despite the increased level of early pay taken by a couple of our key DMRs.

Speaker 6

Great. Thank you and congratulations getting money in the door early.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Please standby for our next question. Our next question is from Bob Sales with LMK Capital Management. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi. Two questions. And you really for my connection, you really broke up as you were walking through The dynamics of the quarter with respect to the end of the quarter in macro. So my question is this, Can you just talk a little bit about the organic growth one more time? And just for those of us that didn't hear, what you saw and the dynamics as it played out and the result in 7% growth in adjusted gross billings.

Speaker 3

So, yes, the dynamic, Bob, if you didn't hear it before, Yes, we had a nice mid single digit growth in adjusted gross billings, despite headwinds that Many of our larger distributors experienced over the past several quarters predominantly due to hardware. Our outlook remains, as Dale mentioned earlier, Fairly confident in the fact that we'll kind of meet and be at the previous quarter, 4th quarter results from 2022, at least at the top line. Obviously, gross profit is going to be impacted by what we expect the continued early pay discount taken by Several DMRs. And again, we're confident that we can continue to execute and deliver on the long term. Will we have some economic headwinds maybe that get into the data center security space and trickle down from hardware?

Speaker 3

We're not seeing a lot of that, but we're starting to see a little bit, Slowly but surely, some opportunities are getting pushed to the next quarter, but we're still pretty bullish on the fact that we'll continue to execute the game plan that we've had over the past 10 quarters.

Speaker 2

And Bob, we track we have quite a few customers that we sell to that are public and have already put their earnings releases out like a CDW. They have a bigger hardware component. And some of the times when we went through the last couple of years, the hardware piece of the data center and everybody moving to a remote play, So there's a lot of sales on the hardware side of things. What we say is we're still 90% software. So we see A different product mix quarter by quarter depending on the ebb and flow.

Speaker 2

One thing that we always count on is that we're having so many different vendors coming at us from a security standpoint and we already have a lot of vendors on our security portfolio. So that continues to be strong and everybody is doing security in a little different way. With the acquisition of Data Solutions, it comes with them a strong CTO that's going to help us really kick off a division that's going to really focus on AI products. Most of our vendors are talking about already or already have some kind of machine learning built into their products, Now they're starting in the marketing side to push that element or that potential in their products. So just a lot of good things The software, IT, security, data center space and that's our 2 top categories.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you. And then my second question is on the Data Solutions acquisition, it looks like a home run-in terms of accretion. I wanted to understand the tax The situation given that it's a, I assume, Irish domiciled company and whether that presents any of the Advantages there because of the Irish standing?

Speaker 2

Yes, we looked we're looking at that right now. And we'll We did have an entity when we acquired CDF that had because they were getting ready for a potential Brexit 3 years ago. So, yes, we'll look at that. We'll look at where we can deal with the tax savings, the Irish tax on businesses is 12.5%, I believe. So, yes, we're continuing to look at that, where orders actually start from, where they get transacted and where we can take advantage of that into the rest of the EU countries and then back to the UK team.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I'm showing no further questions. I would like to turn it back to Dale Foster for closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Thank you, operator, and thanks, everyone, for joining today. Again, I want to welcome our Data Solutions team. We've had the luxury of spending some time in Dublin over the last 6 months with the teams. Our teams are getting integrated. Some of our sales and marketing team were in the UK Over the last couple of days, getting things kicked off and we'll really start talking as a combined team going into 2024.

Speaker 2

Thank you for your support to the shareholders, and we look to have a strong 2023. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

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