DHI Group Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the DHI Group Incorporated Third Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask To also note, today's event is being recorded. This time, I'd like to turn the floor over to Todd Kehrli of MKR Investor Relations. Sir, please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and welcome to DHI Group's 2023 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. With me on today's call are DHI's CEO, Art Zeile and Julie Roby, DHI's SVP of FP and A. Before I turn the call over to Art and Julie, I'd like to cover a few quick items. This afternoon, DHI issued a press release announcing its 2023 Q3 financial results.

Speaker 1

The release is available on the company's website atbhigroupinc.com. This call is being broadcast live over the Internet for all interested parties and the webcast will be archived on the Investor Relations page of the company's website. I want to remind everyone that during today's call, management will make forward looking statements Please note that except for the historical information, statements on today's call may constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These forward looking statements reflect DHI Management's Current views concerning future events and financial performance and are subject to risks and uncertainties and actual results may differ materially from the outcomes contained in any forward looking statements. Factors that could cause these forward looking statements to differ from actual results include risks And uncertainty is discussed in the company's periodic reports on Form 10 ks and 10 Q and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Speaker 1

DHI undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements. Lastly, during today's call, management will be referring to specific Financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, adjusted diluted earnings per share that are not prepared in accordance with U. S. GAAP. Information about and reconciliations of these non GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in our earnings release, a copy of which you can find on our website at dhigroup inc.com in the Investor Relations section.

Speaker 1

With that, I'll now turn the call over to Art Zeile, CEO of DHI Group. Art?

Speaker 2

Thank you, Todd. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our 2023 Q3 earnings conference call. We appreciate your time today as we discuss our financial performance and future outlook. First, let's discuss the state of the market. There is no doubt that the ongoing uncertainty in the economy continues to suppress most tech hiring plans.

Speaker 2

As of the end of September, CompTIA's analysis of the tech workforce indicates a net reduction of 116,000 positions year to date across the economy, compared to a 335,000 expansion of tech positions for the same period in 2022. This coincided with a decline in actual tech job postings, with 3rd quarter numbers significantly lower than in the previous year and the pre pandemic average. While this downturn in hiring continues to impact our revenue and bookings, we believe there remains a long term secular trend for adding more tech workers in the United States. In a study focused on the impact of AI on the U. S.

Speaker 2

Workforce released this past July, McKinsey Global Institute predicted that demand for STEM workers will grow 23%

Speaker 3

from the

Speaker 2

year 2022 to the year 2030. McKinsey believes tech jobs will grow at that high rate because it will be technologists who will be implementing AI for all industries and digitizing our economy. This theme is consistent with KPMG's annual CEO survey released just a few weeks ago, which confirms that 72% of U. S. CEOs say that generative AI is a top investment priority.

Speaker 2

The question is, when will we see this turnaround in hiring actually start to occur? The staffing industry analyst's most recent forecast predicts a 3% contraction in the IT segment of the staffing industry this year with a return to growth and a 5% expansion next year. We believe that as businesses have a collective sense of confidence that we are past a recession scenario, They will accelerate their investment in technology initiatives and they will need our platforms to do so. Our 2 subscription offerings, Dice and ClearanceJobs Provide staffing and recruiting firms, large enterprises and government agencies with the tools necessary to find, Attract and hire the best technologists for their job openings from our 7,800,000 candidate profiles. While we wait for tech hiring to return, we will continue to improve our industry leading product offerings and our go to market engine, While doing so in a more efficient and profitable manner as evidenced by our significantly increased adjusted EBITDA margin.

Speaker 2

Now let me dig into our performance during the quarter. In the 3rd quarter, our total revenue declined 3% year over year. DICE revenue for the quarter decreased 9% year over year, while CJ revenue increased 13%. The decrease in Dice revenue was the result of lower new business bookings and renewals over the past several quarters, As well as significantly lower one time transactional revenue, all of which are a reflection of the uncertain economic environment we have faced during that time. Having said that, excluding one time transactional revenue, our total recurring revenue was up 5 percent year over year.

Speaker 2

Dice new business teams continue to see smaller pipeline volume and more intense deal scrutiny. However, we remain laser focused on those verticals with significant tech hiring needs right now because their technology roadmaps are less likely to be impacted by the economy. Those industries include aerospace, business consulting, healthcare, Financial Services and new to the list, Education. We continue to shift new business resources to focus on where clients are buying, which includes the staffing and recruiting vertical as well as the CJ new business team. Dice secured several new clients this quarter, including Hogan Lovells Law Group, Cornell University and the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory.

Speaker 2

Dice also piloted it launched pilots with several Fortune 500 Companies. Clarus Job's bookings for the quarter increased 5% year over year. As we mentioned last quarter, CJ was affected by the debt ceiling negotiations in Q2 and its implied threat of the government delaying payment to military contractors. In the Q3, we expected to see government contractors and agencies start to reengage in a more significant manner with this issue behind us. However, the looming government shutdown suppressed their activity as contractors worried about the suspension of payments during a potential shutdown.

Speaker 2

As a result, our CJ bookings growth during the quarter was less than we expected. Despite this, CJ secured several new clients this We expect the larger fiscal year 2023 defense budget to positively impact the volume of government projects and the corresponding demand for cleared tech professionals to fill them. Moving on to account management, The difficult economic environment impacted our revenue renewal rates in the Q3. For the quarter, our Dice and CJ revenue renewal rates were at 78% 94%, respectively. Retention rates for the quarter for Dice and ClearanceJobs were 99% 112 Percent, respectively.

Speaker 2

As I mentioned last quarter, many of our clients ran out of profile views in their subscriptions and had to top up during the 2nd and third quarters of last year, which created a difficult comparison for these metrics. This year, We are seeing our customers return to a consumption pattern consistent with a lower number of tech job postings, which has impacted our renewal rates. Our customer attrition was notably larger than in previous quarters, but continues to be concentrated with smaller clients that have been More impacted by the macroeconomic environment than our larger accounts and spend less than $10,000 a year with us. Moving on to earnings. During the Q3, we delivered a 25% adjusted EBITDA margin, which was up significantly from 21% A year ago.

Speaker 2

In the Q3, we saw the full benefit of the organizational restructuring we announced earlier this year, which included a 10% reduction in workforce that streamlined our team structure and improved our operating margins. While it is always a difficult decision to reduce headcount, we are confident that we have the right talent in place to capitalize on the opportunity ahead of us and to do so in a more efficient and profitable manner. The restructuring is expected to generate annual cost savings of approximately 8 to $10,000,000 During the Q3, we continue to focus on strengthening our industry leading product offerings to better penetrate our large market opportunities. For Dice, we announced the release of Dice Connections. Technologists and recruiters can now form connections with each other through their respective profiles and see a list of those connections through their network dashboard.

Speaker 2

Connecting with technologists helps recruiters build a pipeline of relevant candidates, making it easier to attract the right person for their current and future postings. Following the close of the Q3, Dice also released a new feature called Expressed Interest. This feature allows a candidate to show interest in a job without going through the formal application process. They wave a hand And if the recruiter likes their experience, they engage directly with that candidate. As you may recall, CJ announced this feature a couple of quarters ago and it has already been used 100 of 1000 of times over the last several months.

Speaker 2

This is an excellent example of our ability to use CJ as a test bed for innovation and fast follow with a dice deployment. We expect the Express Interest feature to have the same success on the Dice platform. For ClearanceJobs, its candidate mobile app is now available for download on the Apple App Store. This is CJ's first native mobile app and comes after a year and a half of development. It has already been downloaded several thousands of times and represents a new engagement channel for candidates that participate in our cleared network.

Speaker 2

We are also proud to announce that during the Q3, DHI Group was named to Newsweek's list of the Top 100 Most Loved Workplaces for 2023. DHI was ranked 47th overall. The results were determined after surveying more than 2,000,000 employees from businesses with workforces varying in size from 50 to more than 100,000 employees. The list recognizes companies that have created a workplace where employees feel respected, inspired And appreciate it. It is a testament to the entire DHI team that we have been named to this prestigious list.

Speaker 2

Lastly, earlier this week, we announced the addition of Ramey Levy as our new Chief Financial Officer. What impressed us most about Ramey is a versatile skill set including direct responsibility for FP and A, financial operations, Tax, treasury and M and A functions, but also the multitude of times in her career where she solved tough business challenges by taking on additional responsibilities in operations, sales and strategy roles. We're thrilled to have her start with DHI in early December And look forward to introducing her on our next earnings call. In summary, while the difficult economic environment is impacting us in the short term, There remains a long term secular trend for adding more tech workers in the United States. And as the economy improves And as companies across all industries continue their investment in technology initiatives, we expect increased demand for our tools, which enable companies to attract, Fine and hire the right technology professionals for their open positions.

Speaker 2

Until then, we will continue to focus on improving our products and our execution and doing so in a more efficient and profitable manner. On that note, let me turn the call over to Julie, We'll take you through our financials and our guidance, and then we'll take any questions you may have. Julie?

Speaker 4

Thank you, Art, and good afternoon, everyone. Let me take you through our financial results for the quarter. We reported total revenue of 37 point $4,000,000 which was down 3% both on a sequential and year over year basis. Total bookings for the quarter were $31,200,000 down 15% year over year. Dice revenue was $24,800,000 which was down 6 percent sequentially and down 9% year over year.

Speaker 4

Dice bookings were $19,100,000 down 23% year over year. We ended the quarter with 5,752 Dice recruitment package customers, which is down 4% from last quarter and down 10% year over year. Our average annual revenue per DICE Recruitment package customer was flat sequentially and up 4% year over year to $15,531 Approximately 90% of Dice revenue is recurring and comes from annual or multiyear contracts. For the quarter, our Dice revenue renewal rate was 78% and our retention rate was 99%. ClearanceJobs revenue was $12,700,000 up 3% sequentially and 13% year over year.

Speaker 4

Bookings for CJ were $12,100,000 up 5% year over year. We ended the Q3 with 2,054 CJ recruitment package customers, which was down 1% on a sequential basis and up 1% For the quarter, both CJ's revenue renewal rate and retention rate were up sequentially. CJ's revenue renewal rate was 94% And CJ's retention rate was strong at 112%. The outstanding retention rate demonstrates the continued value CJ delivers in the recruitment of cleared professionals. Turning to operating expenses.

Speaker 4

3rd quarter operating expenses were down 6% to $35,200,000 when compared to 37 Our Q3 operating expenses reflect a full quarter of the cost savings associated with the May restructuring, which included a reduction of our workforce by Approximately 10% and is expected to generate annual cost savings of approximately $8,000,000 to $10,000,000 During the quarter, we sold a portion of our ownership interest in Efinancial Careers for $4,900,000 and recognized a gain of $600,000 which reduced our ownership interest from 40% to 10%. For the quarter, we had income tax expense of $759,000 On income before taxes of $1,800,000 our tax rate for the quarter differed from our normal expected rate of 25% Due primarily to the deduction limitations on executive compensation and evaluation allowance related to the impairment of an investment, We recorded net income of $1,000,000 or $0.02 per diluted share. For the prior year quarter, We reported a net loss of $900,000 or 0 point compared to $44,200,000 in the prior year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the 3rd quarter increased 16% $9,400,000 a margin of 25 percent compared to $8,100,000 or a margin of 21% in the 3rd quarter a year ago. Operating cash flow for the quarter was $5,600,000 compared to $9,200,000 in the prior year period.

Speaker 4

The reduction in cash flow from operations in the Q3 was due to severance paid of $900,000 and lower bookings from the current uncertain economic From a liquidity perspective, at the end of the quarter, we had $3,700,000 in cash and total debt of $40,000,000 Under our $100,000,000 revolver, total debt outstanding decreased $3,000,000 from the $43,000,000 at the end of the second quarter. We continue to target approximately one times leverage for the business. Deferred revenue at the end of the quarter was $48,800,000 down 7% from the Q3 of last year. Our total committed contract backlog at the end of the quarter was 108 $400,000 which was up 5% from the end of the 3rd quarter last year. Short term backlog was $87,800,000 at the end of the 3rd quarter, an increase of $3,600,000 or 4 percent year over year.

Speaker 4

Long term backlog, that is revenue to be recognized in 13 or more months, was $20,600,000 at the end of the quarter, an increase of $1,900,000 or 10% from the prior year. During the quarter, we did not purchase shares under our share buyback program. However, we purchased approximately 218,000 shares For $800,000 at an average price of $3.76 per share related to employee stock vesting. Year to date, we have repurchased 2,800,000 shares for $13,100,000 under our repurchase program. As a reminder, our current $10,000,000 under the program at the end of the quarter.

Speaker 4

As Art mentioned, the current economic uncertainty continues to impact our As such, we now expect our full year 2023 total revenue to grow in the range of flat to 1% year over year. Given this Current environment, we will continue to manage our expenses closely as we focus on EBITDA and cash flow generation and paying down debt for the balance of the year. For the Q4, we expect adjusted EBITDA margins of approximately 25%. To wrap up, while the current which will drive increased demand for our products and services as the economy improves. In the meantime, we are focused on improving

Speaker 2

Thank you, Julie. I'd like to thank all of our employees again for their hard work this past quarter. It is a pleasure to be part Such a great team. With that, we're happy to take your questions.

Operator

Our first question today comes from Zach Cummins from B. Riley. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 5

Hi. This is Ethan Wiedell calling in for Zach Cummins. Thanks for taking my question. To start, Can you speak a little further to the uptick in churn with Dice in the quarter? And what areas are experiencing the greatest pressure there?

Speaker 2

I would say that systemically, we're seeing the same pattern of churn, just at a more elevated rate. And what I've described in past quarters is that we've examined our churn profile or those customers that are more apt to leave us And they're generally smaller staffing firms. And so think of these as firms that are anywhere between 1 20 employees. They're the Staffing firms that are most at risk in this kind of an economic uncertain condition, and that's what we're seeing, but I would say at a higher pace.

Speaker 5

Thanks. And then What are you hearing from tech hiring managers in the current environment? And what's the focus for the new business team?

Speaker 2

So I'd say the interesting thing about our situation right now is that there is a widespread Acknowledgment that generativeai will fundamentally reshape business models across the United States economy. I would say most Executives understand that and are preparing for it. But right now, in the current environment, we've seen a pretty significant downshift in the number of tech Job postings. We specifically look at the CompTIA monthly report that's generally published about 3 to 4 days Business days after the end of any particular month and it shows as of September, we had 184,000 tech job postings. In a normal month, let's say, in a nonaborational year, like 2019 or pre pandemic in general, we would see on the order of 300,000 to 350,000 tech job postings.

Speaker 2

So again, the environment has slowed down dramatically in terms of demand for tech hiring right now, But there is this acknowledged longer term hiring horizon that acknowledges that we will need more tech workers to implement Generative and other AI solutions.

Speaker 5

Thank you. And then if I can squeeze in a third one. Of course. What are the expectations for ClearanceJobs in the near term? And do you anticipate that you'll see an impact from the uncertainty surrounding a potential government shutdown?

Speaker 2

The answer to the first part of that question is we still think that ClearanceJobs will definitely continue to grow, Generally speaking, in the double digit revenue range, it has done that historically over the last 10 plus years. I would going to probably see the same thing happening in as we get closer to the middle of November. We do know that the fear that's there for the military But the point of the matter is, it does affect their cash flow pretty dramatically if we do go into a government shutdown. The other thing that happens is that Contract officers and there are literally tens of thousands of contract officers that are managing contracts for the government And especially establishing new contracts for the government, they're all furloughed. So you can't have any amendments to existing contracts and you can't essentially launch New projects if the government goes into a shutdown.

Speaker 2

That's the other impairment that we would see in that scenario.

Speaker 5

Understood. Thanks for the color.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Nathan.

Operator

Our next question comes from Eric Martin Zuni from Lake Street. Please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 6

Yes. I wanted to focus on the bookings of the Dice off 23% in Q3 and then C. J, you characterized the 5% growth as slightly disappointing. I received a recall of this Q4 of 2022 when the economic headwind sort of caught up to DHI. I was curious to know what's your expectation just on the year over year bookings growth rate or contraction rate.

Speaker 6

What's your expectation for Dice and CJ, Q4 versus Q3?

Speaker 2

Well, I'd say that we continue to see A negative bookings rate, meaning that we're going to see a decline for Dice and the bookings are, of course, a combination of Renewal rates for existing customer contracts, but also new business activity. I think that renewal rates Are going to still hover around the 80% mark for our Dice customers and that's because again we're still shaking out some of those Smaller staffing recruiting firms from our customer base and we are still seeing an impairment specifically to commercial new business bookings. We are seeing an improvement, you'd say slightly over the course of time with the staffing recruiting new business team. So I hope I give you at least a qualitative sense that we do expect that there is going to be a decline in bookings from Q4 of last year to Q4 of this year for Dice and the mechanism behind that. CJ is different.

Speaker 2

I still think that The jury is out, just as I described in my answer to Ethan, the last caller, who And we talked about the fact that there is a looming government shutdown anytime that happens. And specifically, we saw At least in the last month that it happened pretty dramatically where contractor activity slowed down because the contractors are waiting to see What scenario exists, whether or not they're going to get paid, whether or not there's going to be a short government shutdown or an extended one. So I still believe that CJ is such an absolutely vital tool to find professionals that even those folks that are continuing forward with their existing platforms, they need clearance jobs, but the new business bookings are affected When there is the prospect of a government shutdown.

Speaker 6

Okay. You kind of got me halfway there on the bookings Trend, I guess, maybe it's something that you're not comfortable putting too fine a point on. But I guess, my I was hoping to is there any sense of a troughing that things will we don't expect it to get Worse from in Q4 versus Q3?

Speaker 2

I would say qualitatively, we saw a little bit worse bookings performance in Q3 Then Q2, but I feel like we're going through the trough right now. I think that we're not seeing a pickup in activity, but we're not seeing a Significant decrease in activity. And the reason why I talked about Q4 of last year versus Q4 of this year is, of course, Q4 is our biggest or one of the 2 biggest quarters for our renewable bookings. Most of our customers have termination dates in their contracts of either December or January. And that's why I wanted to bring out the point of seasonality.

Speaker 6

Got you. That's helpful. I guess the ARPU on the contracts, Dice up about 4% and then CJ up about 11%. How much of that is kind of seat driven versus price increase?

Speaker 2

I would say that that is probably price increase almost entirely. But I would also say that we're currently shaking the tree pretty hard In these less stable customers, the ones that are less than $10,000 in annual spend are the ones that are dropping out of our customer count. And so that also makes the difference in terms of how we mechanically look we get to that average ARPU figure.

Speaker 6

Okay. And then for the 27% of Dice contracts that are choosing to not renew, Where are they going? Or is it just fewer seats? What's the alternative for them if they don't renew it?

Speaker 2

What we've found, again, this is the cohort of customers that are effectively not renewing their Dice licenses And they are very, very small firms. So they've generally either gone out of business or they've suspended a lot of their expense structure as they're waiting for demand environment to improve. They're not getting the orders on their side to essentially staff certain customers that they've had in the past.

Speaker 6

Got you. Okay. And then lastly, the it's good work on the 25% adjusted EBITDA margin. You've also given an outlook for 25% on the adjusted EBITDA margin for Q4. Does that imply any further Restructuring or cuts or is the kind of the cost structure relatively stable now?

Speaker 2

The cost Structure is stable at this point in time. We do have the ability to make Digital marketing campaign changes almost literally daily. And so we have the ability to use that as a significant lever. But I would say that in general, our expense structure is where we want it to be from here moving forward.

Speaker 6

Got it. Well, congrats on getting your CFO candidate. I look forward to connecting with her when she starts in December.

Operator

And our next question comes from Kevin Liu from K Liu and Company, please go ahead with your question.

Speaker 3

Hi, good afternoon. Hi. I wanted to start with The Dice bookings growth trajectory here. You talked about kind of the top up impact over the past two quarters here. Any way you can quantify how big of a drag that's been on the bookings?

Speaker 3

And then as you move into kind of your stronger and more typical renewal periods, wondering if That impact just kind of naturally abates since clients generally wouldn't be topping up then?

Speaker 2

I think that's a great question, and I'm going to ask Julie to respond to that. She's the one that's been hip deep in looking at these trends. So Julie, do you want to speak to that?

Speaker 4

Yes. So the topping up of our customers probably impacted our Renewal rates by a few percentage points each quarter. So for our larger staffing and recruiting firms, that was a drag on our overall renewal All right. But again, as Art was talking to before, it was our renewal rate was also impacted by the smaller customers that were churning.

Speaker 3

And just as it relates to kind of a Q4 and Q1 renewal periods, do you guys typically have the top up impact to work through Bill or since those are more usual timeframes, does that kind of headwind go away?

Speaker 4

Yes. I would say that that headwind goes away. We saw more of the customers topping up in the second and third quarter of last year. And so That is moving behind us as we go forward and our customers have normalized their contracts to the demand that we're seeing today.

Speaker 3

Great. That's helpful. And then just for both Dyson and ClearanceJobs, as you look at kind of the top of the funnel and you're marking qualified leads, Have those continued to grow or have you seen any sort of declines there as well just as you pare back on some of your marketing investments?

Speaker 2

I would say that we've seen a pretty steady state of marketing qualified leads, although Coincident with the lower demand for tech job postings in general, I'd say that we see less commercial accounts Marketing qualified leads is part of the mix. So when we say marketing qualified leads, we're talking about all the leads that come in that Both the Dice new business teams, the commercial accounts and the staffing recruiting team and proportionally we've seen more staffing recruiting Leads come in, but the same total amount. And I think that that is consistent with The view that a lot of companies have decided to use staffing recruiting more frequently this year because it means less risk to them. Means that a person is not on their payroll directly.

Speaker 3

Understood. And Art, you mentioned kind of the SIA Forecast for kind of a return to positive growth in IT staffing next year. As you kind of look out and I know it's still early here, how are you guys Thinking about that forecast and whether you would want to start to renew some of the investments either in the commercial account team or elsewhere in the business?

Speaker 2

Yes, I think that right now, obviously, we don't have the Cristobal like any more so than anybody else does. But I would say it is positive to see that they have Now with that said, a really big growth driver for us last year was our commercial accounts team, and I view that as a big driver for growth for the future in general. I think we come back to what I would consider to be a normal economic growth rate for Dice once we see that commercial accounts Interest and demand improve.

Speaker 3

Great. Appreciate you taking the question.

Speaker 2

Well, thank you, Kevin.

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll be ending today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for any closing remarks.

Speaker 2

Well, thank you, Jamie, and thank you for Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. As always, if you have any questions about our company or would like to speak with management, please reach out to Todd Kehrli, and he will help arrange a meeting. Everyone, for your interest in DHI Group, and have a great day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll conclude today's conference call and presentation. We thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.

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