NASDAQ:SITM SiTime Q3 2023 Earnings Report $208.02 -7.23 (-3.36%) As of 09:30 AM Eastern This is a fair market value price provided by Polygon.io. Learn more. ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast SiTime EPS ResultsActual EPS-$0.81Consensus EPS -$0.72Beat/MissMissed by -$0.09One Year Ago EPSN/ASiTime Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$35.52 millionExpected Revenue$34.69 millionBeat/MissBeat by +$830.00 thousandYoY Revenue GrowthN/ASiTime Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date11/1/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateWednesday, November 1, 2023Conference Call Time5:00PM ETUpcoming EarningsSiTime's Q2 2025 earnings is scheduled for Wednesday, August 6, 2025, with a conference call scheduled at 5:00 PM ET. Check back for transcripts, audio, and key financial metrics as they become available.Conference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptPress Release (8-K)Quarterly Report (10-Q)Earnings HistoryCompany ProfilePowered by SiTime Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 1, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, and welcome to SciTime's Third Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. At the conclusion of today's conference call, instructions will be given for the question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded today, Wednesday, November 1, 2023. I would now like to turn the call over to Brett Perry with Shelton Group Investor Relations. Operator00:00:27Brett, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:29Thank you. Good afternoon, and welcome to SciTime's Q3 2023 financial results conference call. Joining us on today's call from SciTime are Rajesh Vashist, Chief Executive Officer and Art Chadwick, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to point out that during the course of this call, the company may make forward looking statements regarding It's not possible for the company's management to predict all risks nor can the company assess the impact of all factors on its business or the extent to which any factor or Combination of factors may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any forward looking statements. In light of these risks, uncertainties and assumptions, the forward looking events The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update forward looking statements for any reason as of the date of this call to conform statements to actual results or to changes in the company's expectations. Speaker 100:01:38For more detailed information on risks associated with the business, we refer you to the risk factors Also during the call, we'll refer to certain non GAAP financial measures, which are considered to be an important measure of company performance. These non GAAP financial measures are provided in addition to and not as a substitute for or superior to measures of financial performance prepared in accordance with U. S. GAAP. The only difference between reported GAAP and non GAAP results is stock based compensation expense. Speaker 100:02:12Please refer to the company's press release issued today With that, it's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Citime's CEO. Rajesh, please go ahead. Speaker 200:02:25Thank you. Good afternoon. I'd like to welcome new as well as existing investors to SciTime's Q3 2023 earnings call. For those of you that are not as familiar with Cytigm, we are the leader in a dynamic new semiconductor category called precision timing. In electronics, timing is ubiquitous and ensures reliable functioning. Speaker 200:02:51Cytine created precision timing To serve the needs of applications like automated driving, data center, 5 gs and AI. We're early in our growth as we transform the 10,000,000,000 timing market. Sitime has shipped 3,000,000,000 precision timing chips Revenue for the quarter was $35,500,000 non GAAP gross margins were 58.2 percent Non GAAP EPS was $0.06 per share versus a loss of $0.21 in Q2 2023. As we forecasted, we continue to see a reduction of inventory in Q3 And an uptick in end demand, particularly in the Mobile IoT Consumer segment. We expect these trends to continue in Q4, leading to 15% to 20% sequentially higher revenue over Q3. Speaker 200:04:01In addition, the long term The strength of our business continues as we have envisioned. This is through the introduction of new exceptional products leading to SAM expansion, solid ASPs, increased design wins and continued strength in our single source business. In the second half of twenty twenty three, all four factors continue to remain on track and I will touch on these now in more detail. We continue to expand our SAM with high value products like Epoch for the communications and data center markets. EPYC is a revolutionary product that beats legacy quartz OCXOs on all key 9 specifications that customers need. Speaker 200:04:47Our customers are excited about this product and we've built a robust funnel of opportunities. Our ASPs are holding steady from 2022 to 2023, despite lower revenues, which is an indication of the value that we bring to our customers. Our funnel continues to show robust growth. Our cumulative design wins to date in 2023 have grown 75% over the same period in 2022. And lastly, in the multi sourced oscillator business, 85% of our Q3 revenue was single sourced, which is an indication of the unique value of Citan. Speaker 200:05:31Since our IPO in 2019, our singular focus has been on expanding SAM in the oscillator category along with revenue growth. In the past 4 years, we've grown from 60 to 150 unique oscillators and the price of the highest value oscillator Has grown tenfold. This strategy makes us the leader in the oscillator space and a trusted advisor to customers in our focus markets, unlike our competitors. We're now applying the same focus to the clock category of the timing market with exciting results. We are acquiring clock products from Aura Semiconductor. Speaker 200:06:11This leverages our strong balance sheet to accelerate our clocking revenue and roadmap by several years. Additionally, we expect to increase our oscillator revenue due to pull throughs when they are sold with complementary clocks. This proven portfolio of high performance products Includes all the 4 major categories of clocks, network synchronizers, jitter cleaners, clock generators and buffers. In fact, our cascade clock, which was introduced in 2020, includes some Aura Clock technology and we already have 150 designs at 100 customers. With this acquisition, Sitime immediately adds 20 best in clocks class clocks now and another 20 by the end of 2024. Speaker 200:07:07Additionally, by combining our MEMS and oscillators With these clocks, we believe that a whole new category of precision timing products will be created for our core markets Of comms, data center and AI. This continues SiTime's trajectory of building unique timing products that brings us closer to the customer and enhances our trusted advisor status at the top electronics companies. I'm deeply satisfied and convinced that this acquisition Significantly advances our vision. I'd also like to give an update on changes to our management team. After 4 years at Sciton, Art Chadwick, our CFO has decided to retire. Speaker 200:07:52Art's guidance Has played a strong role in CITAM's achievements. He's been a tremendous partner and a key strategic advisor to CITAM's investors and our business partners. We thank Art wholeheartedly for his contributions and impact on our business. I'm very excited To appoint a new member to Citan's executive team, Beth Hao is joining Citan as our CFO on November 8. She comes to Sidime with proven financial leadership and deep experience driving performance in scale, multinational organizations. Speaker 200:08:27Our wealth of experience will be invaluable as we continue to build market momentum and drive Citam's future growth and success. In conclusion, these are exciting changes to the company that advance our vision and take us to further success. Thank you. Speaker 300:08:44Well, thanks Rajesh, and good afternoon, everyone. Today, I'll discuss Q3 2023 results and then provide some guidance for the Q4. I'll focus my discussion on non GAAP financial results and refer you to today's press release for a detailed description up 28% from Q2. Sales into our Mobile IoT and Consumer segment were $17,900,000 or 50% of sales, up from $10,400,000 in Q2, due primarily to higher sales to our largest customer. Sales to that customer were $13,200,000 up from $4,600,000 in Q2. Speaker 300:09:37Excluding sales to our largest customer, sales into this segment were $4,700,000 or 13% of sales. Sales into our Industrial, Automotive and Aerospace segment were $11,700,000 or 33 percent of sales, down just slightly from $12,400,000 in Q2. Sales into our Communications and Enterprise segment were $5,900,000 or 17% of sales, up from $4,900,000 in Q2. Non GAAP gross margins were 58.2%, Essentially flat with margins in Q2. Non GAAP operating expenses were $26,300,000 down about 4% from Q2 as we continue to closely manage expenses. Speaker 300:10:26Expenses were $15,800,000 in R and D and $10,500,000 in SG and A. The 3rd quarter non GAAP operating loss was $5,600,000 Substantially better than the $11,200,000 loss last quarter. Interest and other income was $7,100,000 up from $6,500,000 in Q2 due to higher earned interest on our T bill investments. 3rd quarter non GAAP Net income was $1,400,000 or $0.06 per share compared to a loss of $4,800,000 last quarter. Accounts receivables were $25,200,000 with DSOs of 65 days as compared to $15,800,000 and DSOs of 51 days in Q2. Speaker 300:11:18Inventory at the end of the quarter was $64,500,000 essentially flat with last quarter. During the quarter, we consumed $11,600,000 in cash from operations, invested $3,000,000 in capital purchases And ended the quarter with $568,100,000 in cash, cash equivalents and short term investments. I'd now like to provide some financial guidance for the Q4 of 2023. There is still more inventory in the channel than normal, but it is being worked down. For some customers, including our largest customer, Channel inventory is back to normal. Speaker 300:12:03But for other customers, it will take them until the end of this year or into 2024 Get back to more normalized levels. As Rajesh mentioned, we are seeing an uptick in end demand And we now expect 4th quarter sales will be up 15% to 20% sequentially, Whereas growth from Q2 to Q3 was essentially driven by increased sales to our largest customer, growth from Q3 to Q4 Will be driven by customers other than our largest customer, especially in the comms and enterprise, industrial and aero markets. We expect non GAAP gross margins will be essentially flat with Q3 as well operating expenses. Interest income will be approximately $6,500,000 Our share count will be approximately 22,500,000 shares. As a result, we expect non GAAP EPS will be somewhere between $0.18 $0.22 per share. Speaker 300:13:11I'd now like to make a few comments about our deal with Aura Semiconductor. This is a very exciting and strategic deal for Sidime. It's an all cash transaction comprised of fixed payments totaling $148,000,000 $36,000,000 of which will be paid at close An expected $75,000,000 will be paid in 2024 and an expected $37,000,000 will be paid in 2025, all tied to product deliveries from Aura. The earn out payments will be based on various multiples of revenue generated from the acquired products from 2023 through 2028 with the total cumulative earn out capped at $120,000,000 This deal will clearly accelerate our clocking business, but it will take time to grow revenue. We must first win design sockets with our customers and then it takes time for those designs to go into production. Speaker 300:14:11We therefore do not expect any material revenue or non GAAP operating income in 2024. However, revenue and operating income should increase in 2025 beyond, growing to $100,000,000 business in a number of years. I would also like to note that from a reporting standpoint, we plan to Now on a personal note, today we announced that I've decided to step down as CFO and retire. I have had an amazing 4 years here at SciTime, helping take the company public, raising capital and being part of this amazing management team. But my wife and I are now empty nesters And we really want to spend more time on activities outside of work. Speaker 300:15:15So I decided it's now time to pass the baton. I want to thank Rajesh and everyone here at SciTime for being so great to work with. And I want to extend a special thanks to Sam Shir Ahmed, our VP of Finance and our entire finance and accounting team who do amazing work and who made my job easy. Finally, I'd also like to welcome Beth as our new CFO. I think she's going to do great and I think the company is going to do great. Speaker 300:15:50And on that note, I'd like to hand the call back to the operator for Q and A. Operator00:15:55Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Tore Svanberg of Stifel, your line is now open. Speaker 400:16:23Yes. Thank you and congratulations on the continuous recovery here. And Art, I wish you all the best in your retirement and best welcome to the platform. My first question is on the growth that you are expecting for Q4. You talked about growth in your In the business that's not related to your largest customer, I was hoping you could add a little bit more color there. Speaker 400:16:48What are some of the sub segments that are expected to grow? And what are some of the sub segments that are perhaps still plagued by inventories as we exit the year? Speaker 300:16:59Sure. No, great question. As I mentioned in my commentary, there's a few sub segments that I did call out And we're going to see relatively substantial growth quarter to quarter. One is comms and enterprise, That I expect will increase somewhere around 50%, five-zero percent sequentially from Q3 to Q4. We're seeing strength in industrial that will also increase from Q3 to Q4 and we're seeing a lot of strength in aerospace and defense. Speaker 300:17:31And we are projecting some very significant sequential revenue increase from Q3 to Q4 in that segment. For consumer, excluding our largest customer that is going to be flattish quarter to quarter. And I think that kind of summarizes it. Speaker 400:17:51Yes, that's great color. And a question for Rajesh. Rajesh, with the AURA technology and sort of accelerating penetration into the clocking market, I know there's not going to be much of a Financial impact in 'twenty four, but you did mention that these are higher margin businesses. So, how does this change the financial profile for the company Longer term, both from a sort of 30% growth perspective, but then also for gross margins over time. Speaker 200:18:22Yes. On the gross margins, clearly, these are high end gross margins. As I've said before, clocking has a few distinctive traits. Clocking products are relatively Middle of the road ASPs, the ASPs are anywhere from $4 to $10 But the gross margins are typically around the 70% range, particularly for the markets in comms, enterprise, AI that we are going for. On having a material impact on our growth, I don't think this I think it's only positive to the extent we get the design wins. Speaker 200:19:04So the sooner we get the design wins and start selling them along our oscillators, the sooner we get the growth, but in general, we'll maintain our 30% annual growth rate for the long term business that we've always talked about. This can only help that. Speaker 400:19:21Sounds good. I'll get back in line. Thank you. Thanks, Dore. Operator00:19:25Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Quinn Bolton of Needham and Company. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:19:37Hey guys, thanks for letting me take a ask a couple of questions. And Art, just wanted to say best wishes to you and your wife in your retirement. It's been great working with Not only for the last 4 years, but also at Cavium. So just really enjoyed the time and Beth welcome. I guess my first question just following up on Ora It sounds like it's just a product line sort of acquisition, without any substantial OpEx or R and D That comes to the company. Speaker 500:20:07And so I guess two questions. 1, can you confirm that? And 2, will Aura continue to be a separate entity that Continues to generate these clock products for you or at some point will you have to take over, R and D Speaker 300:20:30Yes. So Quinn, on the expense side, we are going to hire a few of their folks In India and a few other locations, but it's not significant OpEx. So whatever revenue and gross margins we do Drive, that will cover the OpEx. So I basically guided that from a non GAAP operating income standpoint, it's essentially neutral next year. And we're suggesting folks not really change their expectations or their models for 2024, Because it will take time to get these design wins and then for those to ramp over time. Speaker 300:21:10Oral will continue as a company, Absolutely. For the next few years, the products that they will continue to develop are part of this deal and we will have complete ownership Chip of the technology associated with those products, we will absorb them into our technology and We'll take complete control of management of those products going forward. So in the future, if Aura were to cease to exist that I don't believe that's going to be the case. We are totally self sufficient Speaker 200:21:45with that technology. And to add to that, one of the things, Either virtually or literally our MEMS oscillator technology just like we have in Cascade, our current shipping product into it. And then the third is we get to use this technology and build something that's even greater as we go forward. So all three of these are going to come to bear in unspooling our roadmap. Speaker 500:22:24Got it. And then, just sort of outside your largest customer, it sounds like you are starting to see a better order environment. Just wondering, I know orders have been Pretty choppy and generally at low levels over the past couple of quarters. But can you describe the order Trends that you've seen sort of through the Q3 into the Q4, have they improved? Is that what's given you sort of this confidence in the pretty Speaker 300:22:59Yes. So clearly, we've seen an uptick. We mentioned in our commentary, we've seen an uptick in end user demand. So that is a piece of it. It is still a little choppy. Speaker 300:23:10Some days our order rates are great by our standards and some days they're not as great. So it is still a little bit choppy out there, but clearly, the order rate has increased. That's what's driving This sequential increase in those market segments that I described and we are very confident in our Q4 guidance. That says something about how we're seeing changes in the market here. And part of that I'll add to this Is that we've had this inventory issue all year. Speaker 300:23:45And as customers work through their inventory and get back to more normalized order levels, that Helps improve sales and we're seeing some of that also. Speaker 500:23:53Great. Thank you. Operator00:23:56One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Suji Desilva of ROTH MKM. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:24:10Hi, Rajesh and Art, best of luck on your transition here and Beth, welcome to the team. So, Sure. So, Art, you talked in prior calls this year about an under shipping number of about $30,000,000 this year. Is that still a good number to think about As a baseline going into 2024 to model growth off of, just understanding if that inventory digestion kind of works back in next year? Speaker 300:24:36Yes. Again, those are not hard numbers because it has to do with the information we get from the subcontractors and how much excess inventory they have. But it's in that ballpark $30,000,000 to $40,000,000 of under shipment I think this year is in the ballpark. Speaker 600:24:52Okay, great. And then my other question is on the Ora acquisition. You guys seem to have known about this company for a while and it seems like it's going to Kind of accelerate the adoption of oscillators long lit clock in data center and comms. Why not do this transaction earlier? Why the timing of doing it now? Speaker 600:25:08No pun intended. Speaker 200:25:10Well, it's a good question. As you know, we have been very consistent that Our acquisition, the first one would be in the clocking space. So I'm deeply gratified That we are living up to that promise of the last few years and we're doing it exactly the clocking area and exactly In the networking, comms, enterprise, AI space, which is the highest value part of the business. Sometimes the timing is just right, Suji. The planets align, and in this case, we've been dealing with them for a while. Speaker 200:25:52As I said earlier, we have already launched the Cascade product line in 2020, and we saw the high quality work The guys at Aura Semiconductor did. We saw the level of technology they brought to bear. And we think that while we could do that, it would take us time. And by connecting with these guys and bringing these products in, We're accelerating by several years our revenue. And this just seemed to be the right time because we were also Done with bringing a lot of new oscillator products, see the EPYC launch to the market. Speaker 200:26:33So it just seemed like almost the perfect time. And this is one of the signs when the planets aligned and Aura themselves were more open to this. And we built a great relationship with them, with a team in Bangalore, India, and we're very pleased with what they have done. Operator00:27:11Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Douglas O'Loughlin of Fabricated Knowledge. Your line is now open. Speaker 300:27:41Can you you're sounding a little bit muffled, Doug. Speaker 700:27:44Okay. Let me finish. Rajesh, hello. Can you hear me? Speaker 300:27:47Much better. Yes, much better. Speaker 700:27:49Okay. Well, congrats, Art. Welcome to the team, Beth. I just had a question on the Comms Segment, you said 5 0 quarter over quarter. Does that imply gross margin is troughing this quarter given that historical Historically, you said that comps is your highest gross margin segment. Speaker 700:28:11And then I guess I have a follow-up on Aura. Speaker 300:28:15Yes. So I did say that the Comms Enterprise revenue will increase approximately 50%, five-zero percent sequentially. These are still not large dollars. That generally is higher gross margin for us, but we also have some other offsets Throughout the rest of the business, which is why I had to guide relatively flat gross margins from Q3 to Q4. Speaker 700:28:40Okay, perfect. And then I guess this one is more for Rajesh. Could you kind of walk us through How a customer would get an attach rate for something like an Aura semiconductor clock product with an oscillator? And I know these deals are going to take a long time, but just kind of walk us through the logic and the reason of why together this is A much better deal for you guys. Just I think it would be helpful for us to understand and quantify and understand the Impact of how big OR could be for you and maybe even accelerate your oscillator business? Speaker 200:29:18Exactly. So, our business in comms enterprise It's the one that we believe is a very important one for Sitime. And this offering of clock based products Comes front and center into that. It takes us from a SAM of $50,000,000 to an additional $450,000,000 So Really, it increases it tenfold. So if you look at a remote radio unit, In that, we today supply both the oscillators that goes into RRUs or RRHs. Speaker 200:29:56Now alongside that are typically new clocks, which use either clock generators or network synchronizers or buffers That go into the same box, which heretofore we did not possess. And while we've been building some of these internally, It just takes a lot longer. So with this product, right away, we would have 4 slots in the RRU ready to go. In another example, in the core router business, that's very heavy on clocking and relatively light on oscillators. So we have an opportunity for 1 oscillator, which we do supply, but there's an opportunity for up to 8 clocks That distribute that are jitter cleaners, buffers and network synchronizers that are needed in that. Speaker 200:30:48And now we would have these opportunity to sell 8 more chips in that one core router. And finally, in the data center, For example, in a server, we already have opportunity for oscillators, a couple of those, But now we would have an opportunity to sell up to 4 different kinds of clocks in that market. So these are 3 key markets. The first one was in the radio The second one was in the core edge and access networks and the third one is in the data center. So we have Really fulfilled our clocking opportunities and products, not partially, but wholly. Speaker 200:31:32In other words, it allows us to compete with the other clocking companies full front and center that have taken them decades To build these products, we're able to do that overnight. Gives us a unique opportunity because of course, none of those talking companies possess The CyTime MEMS based technology with all its superior attributes. So this gives our customers a very unique Way to come to us to solve their entire clocking needs, entire timing needs. And we think that that's a very, very important place to be. Speaker 700:32:11Perfect. Would this be like some kind of integrated package unit that would be sold as like One piece that contains all these pieces of silicon and maybe versus another vendor, it's an integrated solution. Speaker 200:32:27Right. So, first, as I said, it's the first step would be for us to sell these products as is. So we get quickly to design wins And in the market, the second one would be to do a virtual value creation. So 2 chips, Not in one chip, 2 separate chips that are sold, particularly in connection with our EPITH product, in connection with our Elite RF and Elite X products. But then the 3rd time around is to do what we've already done with Cascade. Speaker 200:32:58Our Cascade family of products has an oscillator from Sitime integrated into it, And that's being very valuable to our customers. We would do that for the clock generators, we would do that for the jitter cleaners and we do that for the network synchronizers. So it has the opportunity to take our product ASPs significantly higher and make our product Significantly more valuable either through the virtual integration or the actual physical integration and we're going to do both Throughout. Speaker 700:33:32Perfect. Looking forward to the next call. Take care, guys. Speaker 300:33:37Thank you, Doug. Thanks. Operator00:33:39One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Tore Svanberg of Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:33:52Yes. Tore, it's Stifel. Just had two quick follow ups. First of all, Art, I noticed the DSO went up quite a bit. Is that because of a revenue mix or are customers starting to ask for extended terms at this point? Speaker 300:34:09No, it has nothing to do with customers asking for extended terms. It has to do with the fact that this particular quarter for a particular So manufacturing reasons was a little more back end loaded. So when you ship more of your quarter near the back end of the quarter, It raises DSOs because you ship it and you can't collect it within the same quarter. I expect DSOs would drop back to more normal levels in Q4. Speaker 400:34:35Understood. And my other follow-up coming back to Aura. So it sounds like with the earn out, The total cost could be as much as $268,000,000 You mentioned a potential $100,000,000 business. So I was just hoping you could share a little bit more on the math that the management team went through to determine this type of a price. Speaker 300:35:03Yes. Well, first of all, I think your numbers are correct. You have to remember that the payment that we're making, both the fixed Payment and the earn out payment are being paid over a number of years. So that Obviously, impacts kind of the present value of the deal. But if we can grow this to $100,000,000 a year business In a number of years and grow beyond that, put a reasonable multiple on that revenue and a multiple on we should be able to run this At our target operating margin of 30%, that drives a lot more value than the $268,000,000 that we'll end up paying them if we pay out the full earn out. Speaker 400:35:49Sounds good. Thanks again. Speaker 300:35:52Thanks, Tore. Operator00:35:53Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Caso of Wolfe Research. Your line is now open. Speaker 800:36:05Yes, thank you. Good evening. I guess just a Question on gross margins and how we should look at them going into next year. What are the steps and What's the visibility on getting the gross margins back to more normalized levels as Speaker 400:36:22the market starts to come back? Speaker 300:36:24Sure. Well, we've talked about this before. At a very high level, as our revenue increases, our Fixed manufacturing overhead becomes a lower percentage of the cost of sales and so that improves margins. My simple example is, if we can double revenue from the current run rate, that improves margins by about 5 percentage points because our overhead is running about 10 points of margin. So that is one way that our margins will improve again. Speaker 300:36:56It's also one reason why our margins are down from where they were a year ago. And the other is mix. The middle of this year, if you recall, our comps and enterprise customers had way more Our sales in that segment were down dramatically, and that mix should improve over time. If you recall, a year and change ago, that segment was almost a third of our business. And over time, if we get it back up to a third of our business, That helps blended margins substantially. Speaker 300:37:27So right now, we think that margins will move back up into the 60s Next year, probably low 60s earlier in the year and increase sequentially through the course of the year. So that's how I see Speaker 200:37:43it right now. Speaker 800:37:44Okay. That's helpful. I guess the next question is, it's on China both Kind of shorter term and more broadly also, and there's been a lot of talk about incremental weakness in China because of the economic conditions there. To what extent is that contributing to what you're seeing here? And then longer term in China, maybe you could talk about the opportunity. Speaker 800:38:06There's obviously geopolitical tension right now, that at least the desire To in source more product, obviously, there's no MEMS timing sources within China right now. But does The geopolitical situation impacts your opportunities in China going forward? Speaker 200:38:28In general, our China business is a robust meaningful part of our revenue. Much of it comes from industrial And from automotive, so we are not subject to the same restrictions that we see in comps With some of the bigger guys in China, nor are we in the consumer segment in any meaningful way. So, we think that a China business We'll continue to grow even though some of the macro conditions continue to be somewhat choppy as we see in the headlines. I think, our China business next year grows over our China business this year. Simply, if I look at the design win and the design win rate. Speaker 200:39:15There is some We don't do any production in China. So we don't have any restrictions when it comes to the so called China free requirements, so we are good there. Some of the people are talking about Taiwan free. So to some extent, we have to pay attention to that. But in general, we think That China continues to be an important part of our revenue source and business source, And we support it with a lot of success. Speaker 800:39:50That's helpful. Thank you. Speaker 300:39:52Thanks, Chris. Operator00:39:54At this time, I'm showing no further questions. I would like to now turn it back to management for closing remarks. Speaker 300:40:02Great. So, first of all, I want to say thank you for all the kind comments from all you folks That ask questions. We have nothing else on our end. So we want to thank everybody for joining us for the call today and have a great evening. Thank you very much. Speaker 300:40:18Thank you, Operator00:40:20guys. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by Key Takeaways Sitime reported Q3 2023 revenue of $35.5 million, with non-GAAP gross margins of 58.2% and non-GAAP EPS of $0.06 versus a loss of $0.21 in Q2. Channel inventory declined and end-demand strengthened in the Mobile IoT/Consumer segment, prompting guidance for 15–20% sequential revenue growth in Q4 driven by customers beyond the largest account. The Aura Semiconductor acquisition will accelerate entry into the clocking market via an all-cash deal ($148 million upfront plus earn-outs up to $120 million), adding 40 clock products and enabling new integrated timing solutions. Key growth drivers remain on track: new high-value products (e.g., EPYC), steady ASPs, a 75% year-over-year increase in design wins, and an 85% single-source revenue mix in Q3. CFO Art Chadwick will retire and be succeeded by Beth Hao on November 8, leveraging her multinational finance leadership for SciTime’s next growth phase. AI Generated. 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There are 9 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good afternoon, and welcome to SciTime's Third Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. At the conclusion of today's conference call, instructions will be given for the question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded today, Wednesday, November 1, 2023. I would now like to turn the call over to Brett Perry with Shelton Group Investor Relations. Operator00:00:27Brett, please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:29Thank you. Good afternoon, and welcome to SciTime's Q3 2023 financial results conference call. Joining us on today's call from SciTime are Rajesh Vashist, Chief Executive Officer and Art Chadwick, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to point out that during the course of this call, the company may make forward looking statements regarding It's not possible for the company's management to predict all risks nor can the company assess the impact of all factors on its business or the extent to which any factor or Combination of factors may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any forward looking statements. In light of these risks, uncertainties and assumptions, the forward looking events The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update forward looking statements for any reason as of the date of this call to conform statements to actual results or to changes in the company's expectations. Speaker 100:01:38For more detailed information on risks associated with the business, we refer you to the risk factors Also during the call, we'll refer to certain non GAAP financial measures, which are considered to be an important measure of company performance. These non GAAP financial measures are provided in addition to and not as a substitute for or superior to measures of financial performance prepared in accordance with U. S. GAAP. The only difference between reported GAAP and non GAAP results is stock based compensation expense. Speaker 100:02:12Please refer to the company's press release issued today With that, it's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Citime's CEO. Rajesh, please go ahead. Speaker 200:02:25Thank you. Good afternoon. I'd like to welcome new as well as existing investors to SciTime's Q3 2023 earnings call. For those of you that are not as familiar with Cytigm, we are the leader in a dynamic new semiconductor category called precision timing. In electronics, timing is ubiquitous and ensures reliable functioning. Speaker 200:02:51Cytine created precision timing To serve the needs of applications like automated driving, data center, 5 gs and AI. We're early in our growth as we transform the 10,000,000,000 timing market. Sitime has shipped 3,000,000,000 precision timing chips Revenue for the quarter was $35,500,000 non GAAP gross margins were 58.2 percent Non GAAP EPS was $0.06 per share versus a loss of $0.21 in Q2 2023. As we forecasted, we continue to see a reduction of inventory in Q3 And an uptick in end demand, particularly in the Mobile IoT Consumer segment. We expect these trends to continue in Q4, leading to 15% to 20% sequentially higher revenue over Q3. Speaker 200:04:01In addition, the long term The strength of our business continues as we have envisioned. This is through the introduction of new exceptional products leading to SAM expansion, solid ASPs, increased design wins and continued strength in our single source business. In the second half of twenty twenty three, all four factors continue to remain on track and I will touch on these now in more detail. We continue to expand our SAM with high value products like Epoch for the communications and data center markets. EPYC is a revolutionary product that beats legacy quartz OCXOs on all key 9 specifications that customers need. Speaker 200:04:47Our customers are excited about this product and we've built a robust funnel of opportunities. Our ASPs are holding steady from 2022 to 2023, despite lower revenues, which is an indication of the value that we bring to our customers. Our funnel continues to show robust growth. Our cumulative design wins to date in 2023 have grown 75% over the same period in 2022. And lastly, in the multi sourced oscillator business, 85% of our Q3 revenue was single sourced, which is an indication of the unique value of Citan. Speaker 200:05:31Since our IPO in 2019, our singular focus has been on expanding SAM in the oscillator category along with revenue growth. In the past 4 years, we've grown from 60 to 150 unique oscillators and the price of the highest value oscillator Has grown tenfold. This strategy makes us the leader in the oscillator space and a trusted advisor to customers in our focus markets, unlike our competitors. We're now applying the same focus to the clock category of the timing market with exciting results. We are acquiring clock products from Aura Semiconductor. Speaker 200:06:11This leverages our strong balance sheet to accelerate our clocking revenue and roadmap by several years. Additionally, we expect to increase our oscillator revenue due to pull throughs when they are sold with complementary clocks. This proven portfolio of high performance products Includes all the 4 major categories of clocks, network synchronizers, jitter cleaners, clock generators and buffers. In fact, our cascade clock, which was introduced in 2020, includes some Aura Clock technology and we already have 150 designs at 100 customers. With this acquisition, Sitime immediately adds 20 best in clocks class clocks now and another 20 by the end of 2024. Speaker 200:07:07Additionally, by combining our MEMS and oscillators With these clocks, we believe that a whole new category of precision timing products will be created for our core markets Of comms, data center and AI. This continues SiTime's trajectory of building unique timing products that brings us closer to the customer and enhances our trusted advisor status at the top electronics companies. I'm deeply satisfied and convinced that this acquisition Significantly advances our vision. I'd also like to give an update on changes to our management team. After 4 years at Sciton, Art Chadwick, our CFO has decided to retire. Speaker 200:07:52Art's guidance Has played a strong role in CITAM's achievements. He's been a tremendous partner and a key strategic advisor to CITAM's investors and our business partners. We thank Art wholeheartedly for his contributions and impact on our business. I'm very excited To appoint a new member to Citan's executive team, Beth Hao is joining Citan as our CFO on November 8. She comes to Sidime with proven financial leadership and deep experience driving performance in scale, multinational organizations. Speaker 200:08:27Our wealth of experience will be invaluable as we continue to build market momentum and drive Citam's future growth and success. In conclusion, these are exciting changes to the company that advance our vision and take us to further success. Thank you. Speaker 300:08:44Well, thanks Rajesh, and good afternoon, everyone. Today, I'll discuss Q3 2023 results and then provide some guidance for the Q4. I'll focus my discussion on non GAAP financial results and refer you to today's press release for a detailed description up 28% from Q2. Sales into our Mobile IoT and Consumer segment were $17,900,000 or 50% of sales, up from $10,400,000 in Q2, due primarily to higher sales to our largest customer. Sales to that customer were $13,200,000 up from $4,600,000 in Q2. Speaker 300:09:37Excluding sales to our largest customer, sales into this segment were $4,700,000 or 13% of sales. Sales into our Industrial, Automotive and Aerospace segment were $11,700,000 or 33 percent of sales, down just slightly from $12,400,000 in Q2. Sales into our Communications and Enterprise segment were $5,900,000 or 17% of sales, up from $4,900,000 in Q2. Non GAAP gross margins were 58.2%, Essentially flat with margins in Q2. Non GAAP operating expenses were $26,300,000 down about 4% from Q2 as we continue to closely manage expenses. Speaker 300:10:26Expenses were $15,800,000 in R and D and $10,500,000 in SG and A. The 3rd quarter non GAAP operating loss was $5,600,000 Substantially better than the $11,200,000 loss last quarter. Interest and other income was $7,100,000 up from $6,500,000 in Q2 due to higher earned interest on our T bill investments. 3rd quarter non GAAP Net income was $1,400,000 or $0.06 per share compared to a loss of $4,800,000 last quarter. Accounts receivables were $25,200,000 with DSOs of 65 days as compared to $15,800,000 and DSOs of 51 days in Q2. Speaker 300:11:18Inventory at the end of the quarter was $64,500,000 essentially flat with last quarter. During the quarter, we consumed $11,600,000 in cash from operations, invested $3,000,000 in capital purchases And ended the quarter with $568,100,000 in cash, cash equivalents and short term investments. I'd now like to provide some financial guidance for the Q4 of 2023. There is still more inventory in the channel than normal, but it is being worked down. For some customers, including our largest customer, Channel inventory is back to normal. Speaker 300:12:03But for other customers, it will take them until the end of this year or into 2024 Get back to more normalized levels. As Rajesh mentioned, we are seeing an uptick in end demand And we now expect 4th quarter sales will be up 15% to 20% sequentially, Whereas growth from Q2 to Q3 was essentially driven by increased sales to our largest customer, growth from Q3 to Q4 Will be driven by customers other than our largest customer, especially in the comms and enterprise, industrial and aero markets. We expect non GAAP gross margins will be essentially flat with Q3 as well operating expenses. Interest income will be approximately $6,500,000 Our share count will be approximately 22,500,000 shares. As a result, we expect non GAAP EPS will be somewhere between $0.18 $0.22 per share. Speaker 300:13:11I'd now like to make a few comments about our deal with Aura Semiconductor. This is a very exciting and strategic deal for Sidime. It's an all cash transaction comprised of fixed payments totaling $148,000,000 $36,000,000 of which will be paid at close An expected $75,000,000 will be paid in 2024 and an expected $37,000,000 will be paid in 2025, all tied to product deliveries from Aura. The earn out payments will be based on various multiples of revenue generated from the acquired products from 2023 through 2028 with the total cumulative earn out capped at $120,000,000 This deal will clearly accelerate our clocking business, but it will take time to grow revenue. We must first win design sockets with our customers and then it takes time for those designs to go into production. Speaker 300:14:11We therefore do not expect any material revenue or non GAAP operating income in 2024. However, revenue and operating income should increase in 2025 beyond, growing to $100,000,000 business in a number of years. I would also like to note that from a reporting standpoint, we plan to Now on a personal note, today we announced that I've decided to step down as CFO and retire. I have had an amazing 4 years here at SciTime, helping take the company public, raising capital and being part of this amazing management team. But my wife and I are now empty nesters And we really want to spend more time on activities outside of work. Speaker 300:15:15So I decided it's now time to pass the baton. I want to thank Rajesh and everyone here at SciTime for being so great to work with. And I want to extend a special thanks to Sam Shir Ahmed, our VP of Finance and our entire finance and accounting team who do amazing work and who made my job easy. Finally, I'd also like to welcome Beth as our new CFO. I think she's going to do great and I think the company is going to do great. Speaker 300:15:50And on that note, I'd like to hand the call back to the operator for Q and A. Operator00:15:55Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question and answer session. Our first question comes from the line of Tore Svanberg of Stifel, your line is now open. Speaker 400:16:23Yes. Thank you and congratulations on the continuous recovery here. And Art, I wish you all the best in your retirement and best welcome to the platform. My first question is on the growth that you are expecting for Q4. You talked about growth in your In the business that's not related to your largest customer, I was hoping you could add a little bit more color there. Speaker 400:16:48What are some of the sub segments that are expected to grow? And what are some of the sub segments that are perhaps still plagued by inventories as we exit the year? Speaker 300:16:59Sure. No, great question. As I mentioned in my commentary, there's a few sub segments that I did call out And we're going to see relatively substantial growth quarter to quarter. One is comms and enterprise, That I expect will increase somewhere around 50%, five-zero percent sequentially from Q3 to Q4. We're seeing strength in industrial that will also increase from Q3 to Q4 and we're seeing a lot of strength in aerospace and defense. Speaker 300:17:31And we are projecting some very significant sequential revenue increase from Q3 to Q4 in that segment. For consumer, excluding our largest customer that is going to be flattish quarter to quarter. And I think that kind of summarizes it. Speaker 400:17:51Yes, that's great color. And a question for Rajesh. Rajesh, with the AURA technology and sort of accelerating penetration into the clocking market, I know there's not going to be much of a Financial impact in 'twenty four, but you did mention that these are higher margin businesses. So, how does this change the financial profile for the company Longer term, both from a sort of 30% growth perspective, but then also for gross margins over time. Speaker 200:18:22Yes. On the gross margins, clearly, these are high end gross margins. As I've said before, clocking has a few distinctive traits. Clocking products are relatively Middle of the road ASPs, the ASPs are anywhere from $4 to $10 But the gross margins are typically around the 70% range, particularly for the markets in comms, enterprise, AI that we are going for. On having a material impact on our growth, I don't think this I think it's only positive to the extent we get the design wins. Speaker 200:19:04So the sooner we get the design wins and start selling them along our oscillators, the sooner we get the growth, but in general, we'll maintain our 30% annual growth rate for the long term business that we've always talked about. This can only help that. Speaker 400:19:21Sounds good. I'll get back in line. Thank you. Thanks, Dore. Operator00:19:25Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Quinn Bolton of Needham and Company. Your line is now open. Speaker 500:19:37Hey guys, thanks for letting me take a ask a couple of questions. And Art, just wanted to say best wishes to you and your wife in your retirement. It's been great working with Not only for the last 4 years, but also at Cavium. So just really enjoyed the time and Beth welcome. I guess my first question just following up on Ora It sounds like it's just a product line sort of acquisition, without any substantial OpEx or R and D That comes to the company. Speaker 500:20:07And so I guess two questions. 1, can you confirm that? And 2, will Aura continue to be a separate entity that Continues to generate these clock products for you or at some point will you have to take over, R and D Speaker 300:20:30Yes. So Quinn, on the expense side, we are going to hire a few of their folks In India and a few other locations, but it's not significant OpEx. So whatever revenue and gross margins we do Drive, that will cover the OpEx. So I basically guided that from a non GAAP operating income standpoint, it's essentially neutral next year. And we're suggesting folks not really change their expectations or their models for 2024, Because it will take time to get these design wins and then for those to ramp over time. Speaker 300:21:10Oral will continue as a company, Absolutely. For the next few years, the products that they will continue to develop are part of this deal and we will have complete ownership Chip of the technology associated with those products, we will absorb them into our technology and We'll take complete control of management of those products going forward. So in the future, if Aura were to cease to exist that I don't believe that's going to be the case. We are totally self sufficient Speaker 200:21:45with that technology. And to add to that, one of the things, Either virtually or literally our MEMS oscillator technology just like we have in Cascade, our current shipping product into it. And then the third is we get to use this technology and build something that's even greater as we go forward. So all three of these are going to come to bear in unspooling our roadmap. Speaker 500:22:24Got it. And then, just sort of outside your largest customer, it sounds like you are starting to see a better order environment. Just wondering, I know orders have been Pretty choppy and generally at low levels over the past couple of quarters. But can you describe the order Trends that you've seen sort of through the Q3 into the Q4, have they improved? Is that what's given you sort of this confidence in the pretty Speaker 300:22:59Yes. So clearly, we've seen an uptick. We mentioned in our commentary, we've seen an uptick in end user demand. So that is a piece of it. It is still a little choppy. Speaker 300:23:10Some days our order rates are great by our standards and some days they're not as great. So it is still a little bit choppy out there, but clearly, the order rate has increased. That's what's driving This sequential increase in those market segments that I described and we are very confident in our Q4 guidance. That says something about how we're seeing changes in the market here. And part of that I'll add to this Is that we've had this inventory issue all year. Speaker 300:23:45And as customers work through their inventory and get back to more normalized order levels, that Helps improve sales and we're seeing some of that also. Speaker 500:23:53Great. Thank you. Operator00:23:56One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Suji Desilva of ROTH MKM. Your line is now open. Speaker 600:24:10Hi, Rajesh and Art, best of luck on your transition here and Beth, welcome to the team. So, Sure. So, Art, you talked in prior calls this year about an under shipping number of about $30,000,000 this year. Is that still a good number to think about As a baseline going into 2024 to model growth off of, just understanding if that inventory digestion kind of works back in next year? Speaker 300:24:36Yes. Again, those are not hard numbers because it has to do with the information we get from the subcontractors and how much excess inventory they have. But it's in that ballpark $30,000,000 to $40,000,000 of under shipment I think this year is in the ballpark. Speaker 600:24:52Okay, great. And then my other question is on the Ora acquisition. You guys seem to have known about this company for a while and it seems like it's going to Kind of accelerate the adoption of oscillators long lit clock in data center and comms. Why not do this transaction earlier? Why the timing of doing it now? Speaker 600:25:08No pun intended. Speaker 200:25:10Well, it's a good question. As you know, we have been very consistent that Our acquisition, the first one would be in the clocking space. So I'm deeply gratified That we are living up to that promise of the last few years and we're doing it exactly the clocking area and exactly In the networking, comms, enterprise, AI space, which is the highest value part of the business. Sometimes the timing is just right, Suji. The planets align, and in this case, we've been dealing with them for a while. Speaker 200:25:52As I said earlier, we have already launched the Cascade product line in 2020, and we saw the high quality work The guys at Aura Semiconductor did. We saw the level of technology they brought to bear. And we think that while we could do that, it would take us time. And by connecting with these guys and bringing these products in, We're accelerating by several years our revenue. And this just seemed to be the right time because we were also Done with bringing a lot of new oscillator products, see the EPYC launch to the market. Speaker 200:26:33So it just seemed like almost the perfect time. And this is one of the signs when the planets aligned and Aura themselves were more open to this. And we built a great relationship with them, with a team in Bangalore, India, and we're very pleased with what they have done. Operator00:27:11Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Douglas O'Loughlin of Fabricated Knowledge. Your line is now open. Speaker 300:27:41Can you you're sounding a little bit muffled, Doug. Speaker 700:27:44Okay. Let me finish. Rajesh, hello. Can you hear me? Speaker 300:27:47Much better. Yes, much better. Speaker 700:27:49Okay. Well, congrats, Art. Welcome to the team, Beth. I just had a question on the Comms Segment, you said 5 0 quarter over quarter. Does that imply gross margin is troughing this quarter given that historical Historically, you said that comps is your highest gross margin segment. Speaker 700:28:11And then I guess I have a follow-up on Aura. Speaker 300:28:15Yes. So I did say that the Comms Enterprise revenue will increase approximately 50%, five-zero percent sequentially. These are still not large dollars. That generally is higher gross margin for us, but we also have some other offsets Throughout the rest of the business, which is why I had to guide relatively flat gross margins from Q3 to Q4. Speaker 700:28:40Okay, perfect. And then I guess this one is more for Rajesh. Could you kind of walk us through How a customer would get an attach rate for something like an Aura semiconductor clock product with an oscillator? And I know these deals are going to take a long time, but just kind of walk us through the logic and the reason of why together this is A much better deal for you guys. Just I think it would be helpful for us to understand and quantify and understand the Impact of how big OR could be for you and maybe even accelerate your oscillator business? Speaker 200:29:18Exactly. So, our business in comms enterprise It's the one that we believe is a very important one for Sitime. And this offering of clock based products Comes front and center into that. It takes us from a SAM of $50,000,000 to an additional $450,000,000 So Really, it increases it tenfold. So if you look at a remote radio unit, In that, we today supply both the oscillators that goes into RRUs or RRHs. Speaker 200:29:56Now alongside that are typically new clocks, which use either clock generators or network synchronizers or buffers That go into the same box, which heretofore we did not possess. And while we've been building some of these internally, It just takes a lot longer. So with this product, right away, we would have 4 slots in the RRU ready to go. In another example, in the core router business, that's very heavy on clocking and relatively light on oscillators. So we have an opportunity for 1 oscillator, which we do supply, but there's an opportunity for up to 8 clocks That distribute that are jitter cleaners, buffers and network synchronizers that are needed in that. Speaker 200:30:48And now we would have these opportunity to sell 8 more chips in that one core router. And finally, in the data center, For example, in a server, we already have opportunity for oscillators, a couple of those, But now we would have an opportunity to sell up to 4 different kinds of clocks in that market. So these are 3 key markets. The first one was in the radio The second one was in the core edge and access networks and the third one is in the data center. So we have Really fulfilled our clocking opportunities and products, not partially, but wholly. Speaker 200:31:32In other words, it allows us to compete with the other clocking companies full front and center that have taken them decades To build these products, we're able to do that overnight. Gives us a unique opportunity because of course, none of those talking companies possess The CyTime MEMS based technology with all its superior attributes. So this gives our customers a very unique Way to come to us to solve their entire clocking needs, entire timing needs. And we think that that's a very, very important place to be. Speaker 700:32:11Perfect. Would this be like some kind of integrated package unit that would be sold as like One piece that contains all these pieces of silicon and maybe versus another vendor, it's an integrated solution. Speaker 200:32:27Right. So, first, as I said, it's the first step would be for us to sell these products as is. So we get quickly to design wins And in the market, the second one would be to do a virtual value creation. So 2 chips, Not in one chip, 2 separate chips that are sold, particularly in connection with our EPITH product, in connection with our Elite RF and Elite X products. But then the 3rd time around is to do what we've already done with Cascade. Speaker 200:32:58Our Cascade family of products has an oscillator from Sitime integrated into it, And that's being very valuable to our customers. We would do that for the clock generators, we would do that for the jitter cleaners and we do that for the network synchronizers. So it has the opportunity to take our product ASPs significantly higher and make our product Significantly more valuable either through the virtual integration or the actual physical integration and we're going to do both Throughout. Speaker 700:33:32Perfect. Looking forward to the next call. Take care, guys. Speaker 300:33:37Thank you, Doug. Thanks. Operator00:33:39One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Tore Svanberg of Stifel. Your line is now open. Speaker 400:33:52Yes. Tore, it's Stifel. Just had two quick follow ups. First of all, Art, I noticed the DSO went up quite a bit. Is that because of a revenue mix or are customers starting to ask for extended terms at this point? Speaker 300:34:09No, it has nothing to do with customers asking for extended terms. It has to do with the fact that this particular quarter for a particular So manufacturing reasons was a little more back end loaded. So when you ship more of your quarter near the back end of the quarter, It raises DSOs because you ship it and you can't collect it within the same quarter. I expect DSOs would drop back to more normal levels in Q4. Speaker 400:34:35Understood. And my other follow-up coming back to Aura. So it sounds like with the earn out, The total cost could be as much as $268,000,000 You mentioned a potential $100,000,000 business. So I was just hoping you could share a little bit more on the math that the management team went through to determine this type of a price. Speaker 300:35:03Yes. Well, first of all, I think your numbers are correct. You have to remember that the payment that we're making, both the fixed Payment and the earn out payment are being paid over a number of years. So that Obviously, impacts kind of the present value of the deal. But if we can grow this to $100,000,000 a year business In a number of years and grow beyond that, put a reasonable multiple on that revenue and a multiple on we should be able to run this At our target operating margin of 30%, that drives a lot more value than the $268,000,000 that we'll end up paying them if we pay out the full earn out. Speaker 400:35:49Sounds good. Thanks again. Speaker 300:35:52Thanks, Tore. Operator00:35:53Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Caso of Wolfe Research. Your line is now open. Speaker 800:36:05Yes, thank you. Good evening. I guess just a Question on gross margins and how we should look at them going into next year. What are the steps and What's the visibility on getting the gross margins back to more normalized levels as Speaker 400:36:22the market starts to come back? Speaker 300:36:24Sure. Well, we've talked about this before. At a very high level, as our revenue increases, our Fixed manufacturing overhead becomes a lower percentage of the cost of sales and so that improves margins. My simple example is, if we can double revenue from the current run rate, that improves margins by about 5 percentage points because our overhead is running about 10 points of margin. So that is one way that our margins will improve again. Speaker 300:36:56It's also one reason why our margins are down from where they were a year ago. And the other is mix. The middle of this year, if you recall, our comps and enterprise customers had way more Our sales in that segment were down dramatically, and that mix should improve over time. If you recall, a year and change ago, that segment was almost a third of our business. And over time, if we get it back up to a third of our business, That helps blended margins substantially. Speaker 300:37:27So right now, we think that margins will move back up into the 60s Next year, probably low 60s earlier in the year and increase sequentially through the course of the year. So that's how I see Speaker 200:37:43it right now. Speaker 800:37:44Okay. That's helpful. I guess the next question is, it's on China both Kind of shorter term and more broadly also, and there's been a lot of talk about incremental weakness in China because of the economic conditions there. To what extent is that contributing to what you're seeing here? And then longer term in China, maybe you could talk about the opportunity. Speaker 800:38:06There's obviously geopolitical tension right now, that at least the desire To in source more product, obviously, there's no MEMS timing sources within China right now. But does The geopolitical situation impacts your opportunities in China going forward? Speaker 200:38:28In general, our China business is a robust meaningful part of our revenue. Much of it comes from industrial And from automotive, so we are not subject to the same restrictions that we see in comps With some of the bigger guys in China, nor are we in the consumer segment in any meaningful way. So, we think that a China business We'll continue to grow even though some of the macro conditions continue to be somewhat choppy as we see in the headlines. I think, our China business next year grows over our China business this year. Simply, if I look at the design win and the design win rate. Speaker 200:39:15There is some We don't do any production in China. So we don't have any restrictions when it comes to the so called China free requirements, so we are good there. Some of the people are talking about Taiwan free. So to some extent, we have to pay attention to that. But in general, we think That China continues to be an important part of our revenue source and business source, And we support it with a lot of success. Speaker 800:39:50That's helpful. Thank you. Speaker 300:39:52Thanks, Chris. Operator00:39:54At this time, I'm showing no further questions. I would like to now turn it back to management for closing remarks. Speaker 300:40:02Great. So, first of all, I want to say thank you for all the kind comments from all you folks That ask questions. We have nothing else on our end. So we want to thank everybody for joining us for the call today and have a great evening. Thank you very much. Speaker 300:40:18Thank you, Operator00:40:20guys. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.Read morePowered by