Dragonfly Energy Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 13, 2023

There are 8 speakers on the call.

Operator

Afternoon. My name is Lester, and I will be your operator today for Dragonfly Energy's Third Quarter Earnings Call. The call can be accessed along with the earnings press release and SEC filings on Investors section of the Dragonfly Energy's website found at www.dragonflyenergy.com. As a reminder, this conference call is being webcast and recorded. All attendees are in listen only mode at this time.

Operator

During this call, the company will be making forward looking statements based on current expectations. Actual results may differ due to factors noted in the press release and in periodic SEC filings. Management will reference some non GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the nearest corresponding GAAP measures could be found in today's release on the company's website. I will now turn over the call to Doctor.

Operator

Dennis Farris.

Speaker 1

Thank you. And thank you to everyone joining us today. Before handing the call over to John to review our Q3 financial results, I wanted to spend a few minutes providing an update on our core markets, our progress and our Revenue diversification efforts and to highlight the important milestones that we have achieved in our domestic battery cell manufacturing operation. As many of you know, the majority of our revenue today comes from the recreational vehicle market, either through aftermarket sales or through OEMs when they place our solutions on their RVs during the manufacturing process. The RV industry, which is dependent on consumer discretionary spending, Continues to face significant challenges with unit shipments down over 50% year over year, well below the industry's expectations just a few quarters ago.

Speaker 1

As discussed during our last earnings call, this steeper than expected decline in the RV industry has had a negative impact on our revenue. This is particularly the case with our largest OEM customer, who informed us in July that they would no longer be installing our storage solutions as standard equipment and have returned to offering our solutions as an optional feature. The loss of this revenue combined with overall RV weakness Was the primary driver behind the year over year decline in our 3rd quarter revenue. While we expect this weakness to continue in the near term, Demand in the RV market does appear to be stabilizing and it is important to note that despite weaker sales, our customers are not moving to competitor In fact, we continue to gain market share with both new customer wins and new programs and models with existing customers. So as the industry begins to recover in 2024, we expect the RV market will return as an important growth driver for the company.

Speaker 1

This continued increase in market share is largely driven by our in house production, product quality and innovation. For example, we have just shipped the first of our new batteries featuring Dragonfly Intelligence to OEM customers. The production of these batteries was not trivial and required the construction of a new assembly line having full traceability throughout the assembly process. Each individual battery has unique firmware loaded onto the battery management system along with data that is specific to the cells and components Inside the battery. This is an industry first and we believe sets a new standard for storage batteries in general.

Speaker 1

It also becomes our platform for larger stationary storage installations in which accurate remote monitoring and determination of battery state of charge And state of health are critical. On the revenue diversification front, we continue to make progress, Particularly in transportation, where our pipeline of pilot programs and customer engagement continues to grow. We have expanded our active pilot and prototype programs to include more than 15 blue chip fleet customers. And in October, we launched our new all electric auxiliary power unit for the heavy duty truck market. This new APU is a comprehensive solution that enables compliance with increasing anti idling regulations, while at the same time potentially saving 1,000,000,000 of dollars for operators and fuel costs and increases uptime and payload capacity, while reducing harmful emissions during idle periods.

Speaker 1

Along with the launch of this new product, we have secured pilot programs with fleets representing 15% of the North American heavy duty trucking market. Importantly, all of these transportation opportunities encompass large lead acid replacement requirements, where our experience in the RV market has provided us with the proven expertise to engineer full system solutions that are unique and differentiated. We are excited about the growing momentum in this new area of our business and believe these opportunities set the stage for additional growth in 2024 and beyond. Finally, we continue to make progress with our patented dry deposition battery cell manufacturing technology. In July, we announced that we completed our pilot line for domestic cell manufacturing using our patented dry electrode process.

Speaker 1

We have since deposited LFP cathodes and graphite anodes at scale. The process itself is chemistry agnostic, Meaning we can make any type of conventional lithium battery cell and we have begun to receive inbound interest from additional large Customers in the consumer electronics, data center backup and even electric vehicle markets. We are producing and testing cells in house And remain on track to deliver sample sales to prospective customers by year end. The importance of these accomplishments cannot be overstated. The EV industry in particular is increasingly looking to dry deposition as a potential solution to a host of environmental issues associated with current cell manufacturing processes.

Speaker 1

The fact that we are also deploying American innovation on American soil is becoming an increasingly attractive proposition for prospective customers and partners. Let me now turn the call over to John to

Speaker 2

Thank you, Dennis.

Speaker 3

Please note that all figures are GAAP unless otherwise noted. Dragonfly generated net sales of $15,900,000 in the Q3 2023, down from $26,100,000 in the Q3 of 2022 and at the low end of our guidance range As we saw year over year declines in both our OEM and DTC businesses due to RV market weakness. OEM revenue of $5,600,000 in the 3rd quarter declined by $8,300,000 compared to the same quarter a year ago, Primarily as a result of the previously disclosed decision by our largest RV OEM customer that due to weaker demand for its products and their need to focus on reducing costs, it is no longer installing our storage solutions as standard equipment, but instead has returned to offering our solutions as an option to dealers and consumers. To reiterate, this customer is not moving to a different solution or competitor, But as expected, its decision has had a material adverse impact on our OEM sales in the 3rd quarter, And we expect this change to continue to have a material limiting effect on our revenue through the remainder of 2023. Our direct to consumer or DTC revenue was $10,300,000 in the Q3 of 2023, down $1,900,000 compared to the Q3 of 2022.

Speaker 3

The decrease was in line with our expectations and is a result of decreased customer demand giving ongoing macroeconomic factors such as higher interest rates and inflation. While we continue to see signs of stability, we do not expect this segment of the market to materially improve through the remainder of 2023. Dragonfly's gross profit in the quarter was approximately 4,600,000 compared to $7,000,000 in the Q3 of 2022. The decrease in gross profit was due to lower overall sales and unit volumes. Despite the lower gross profit, gross margin improved to 29.1% from 26.9% in the same quarter a year ago, due to a sales mix that included a larger contribution from higher margin VTC sales.

Speaker 3

Operating expenses in the Q3 of 2023 were $10,500,000 at the lower end of our guidance range and essentially flat year over year as higher research and development costs were largely offset by decreased general administrative and sales and marketing expenses. The company posted a net loss Of $10,000,000 in the quarter or a negative $0.17 per diluted share compared to a net loss of 3,700,000 or a negative $0.10 per diluted share in the Q3 of 2022. The larger net loss compared to the same quarter a year ago was driven by lower sales, Lower gross profit and higher interest expense. 3rd quarter 2023 EBITDA was a negative $5,700,000 compared to a negative $3,200,000 in the Q3 of 2022. Adjusted EBITDA, excluding stock based compensation the same quarter a year ago.

Speaker 3

For a reconciliation of EBITDA to adjusted EBITDA, please refer to our earnings press release. Dragonfly ended the quarter with approximately $13,200,000 in cash and combined with access to our largely untapped $150,000,000 equity line Credit. We believe we have the resources needed to execute on our operational plans. Now I'd like to turn our attention to our expectations for the Q4 of 2023. While we have a number of exciting revenue diversification opportunities ahead of us, we continue to be negatively impacted in the near term by weaker demand in the RV market, particularly with OEM customers.

Speaker 3

We expect 4th quarter revenue to be in the range of 10.0 $14,000,000 We expect gross margin in the 4th quarter to be in the range of 21% to 26%. Operating expenses in the December quarter are expected to be in the range of $9,000,000 to $12,000,000 and we expect other income and expense We expect to report a net loss in the 4th quarter in the range of Negative $9,000,000 to negative $14,500,000 or a negative $0.15 per share to a negative $0.24 per share based on approximately 60,000,000 shares outstanding. Let me now turn the call back over to Dennis to provide some summary comments Before turning the call over to Q and A.

Speaker 1

Thank you, John. Before moving to questions, I just want to take a moment to emphasize That we continue to execute and achieve our stated milestones despite market headwinds. We have developed, Despite an RV industry contraction, we have rapidly expanded into larger downstream vertical markets. We are extremely excited about 2024 and beyond As the convergence of the new cell manufacturing, the new Dragonfly Intelligence technology and the expansion of customer base and market segments sets the stage for an expected return to growth and profitability. With that, I will turn the call back over to the operator who can open the line for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now conduct the question and answer session. Your first question comes from George Yandianakis from Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Speaker 4

Hi, everyone. Thank you for taking my questions. I'd like to focus on the balance sheet And the cash burn a little bit, you ended the quarter, I think, with around $13,000,000 in cash. The last quarter was about $33,000,000 So your cash burn, I think, was Essentially, I believe double what you guided for last quarter. So can you just kind of talk about what happened there and how you expect to manage Burden and the balance sheet between now and the end of

Operator

the year at least? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Sure. Thanks, George. It's John. Just I mean, I think the when we go back and look at the capital raise that we did, right, a big, big driver behind that was to finish up the pilot line And start getting the anode and cathode material made, and then be in a position to deliver those sample cells, as Dennis highlighted, By the end of the calendar year. So there was a fair bit of spending that went into that effort in particular that I don't think is Necessarily something that we expect to repeat on an ongoing basis in terms of some of the capital intensity and some things that we're looking at there.

Speaker 2

From an ongoing operation standpoint, from a working capital need with revenue being down a little bit from the weaker demand, We're able to pull, I think, from existing inventory levels for the most part. So we continue to work down those inventory levels and we expect That would certainly continue over the short term here. But ultimately, I think for We certainly feel comfortable with where we're sitting right now from a cash perspective, understanding that we're still In a net income or a net loss position, and expect to be for the next few quarters at least. But between what we've got on the balance sheet today and as I mentioned, having access to that equity line of credit, which we really have not used much at all, We feel like we've got access to the resources we need here to continue to execute on the plan and then hopefully be bringing these Sales to market and things along those lines, which should improve as we go through next calendar year.

Speaker 4

Thank you. And just with regard to the $150,000,000 in the equity line of credit, may I ask why haven't you used that yet? And what's been the stumbling block? Because it seems like it's there, it's available. Why not be the little

Speaker 2

So, a lot of it had to do with the registration Statements, George, and where we were. We were locked up in the beginning part of the year, as we were coming out of the SPAC process. We then as we were looking to raise capital, we're fairly restrictive as a result of that equity raise that we did in June. So Now with those restrictions off, we expect to be S3 eligible here in the not too distant future. So I think that our intent is certainly to be More active with that on a go forward basis.

Speaker 4

And when do you expect that to happen? In the not too distant, I would assume in the next few weeks or?

Speaker 2

I think that's accurate, George. Okay.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Vincent Anderson from Stifel. Your line is now open.

Speaker 5

Yes, thanks. Good afternoon, everyone. So the RVI A wholesale data showed shipments kind of decelerate or I guess the decline slowing in the 3rd quarter, I think it was down about 20% year over year. Your OEM revenues Fell disproportionate to that, but we're running well ahead of the market in the first half of the year. Can you just speak to how much of the first half Of the year were orders that maybe had been more or less committed to and what we're seeing now maybe just reflects inventory management?

Speaker 5

Or is there some kind of deselection Of the battery options on the units being offered by sellers kind of regardless of whether they are Specked in by that major customer or issued as an option?

Speaker 2

Sure, Vince. I mean, the short answer to your question really is See the lack of Keystone contribution in the Q3, particularly on a year over year basis. If we go back to The Q3 of 2022, that was actually our peak quarter for the Keystone revenue. The program had gone Standard on that model year beginning in July and that was really our peak revenue quarter With Keystone. So it's a tough compare to begin with, as you rightly point out with the unit declines.

Speaker 2

But on top of that, as we indicated on the last earnings call, Keystone in an effort to cut costs has gone and Put us as an option rather than as a standard on whatever units they are bringing off those lines. So with them working through a little bit of inventory They still have on the books and all that. We had very little Keystone revenue in the Q3 as expected, which is why we kind of removed them overall From that guidance at the when we were on the 2Q earnings call.

Speaker 5

Okay. Okay. Yes, that makes sense. That ties out. Switching over for Dennis here.

Speaker 5

I was just kind of curious if there were inquiries to begin replicating Your technology in an established cell manufacturing plant for further testing, thinking along the lines of like a joint development agreement that could lead to licensing. Is your process kind of dialed in? Obviously, the testing isn't done, but dialed in to the point where you could efficiently transfer For that knowledge and training to a partner if one showed up at your doorstep?

Speaker 1

Yes. The nice thing is that we're changing the front end in terms of the deposition of the The rest of the line can be pretty identical. So, it's a hard sell, I guess, If companies have a lot invested in their existing lines because of the slurry coating process, you really have to go to scale Pretty early to get to profitability there. But yes, if someone came to us and said, yes, we're interested in Applying this technique to the front end, then we'd be ready to demonstrate.

Speaker 5

Got you. I mean, I ask Specifically because we have seen quite a few cell capacity expansions maybe getting a little bit more time to plan, I think is the nice A spin on that, but I'm not sure what level of commitment they've made on particularly that front end of their engineering, If they wanted to maybe think about going with something different. I guess switching over to the announcement on the Class 8 Auxiliary Power Supply Units. I'm just kind of curious if you could help me visualize what a retrofit would look like in that, Particularly to get a sense of like how large of a commitment we're thinking about in terms of having vehicles out of service versus the simple economics on the battery itself?

Speaker 1

The installation itself is pretty easy. So, we've developed the product, so it's more or less a drop in from what they're used to having in there In terms of, a conventional APU. But the fact that we have So many pilots out there when you have to take trucks off the road, is indicative of the interest Because these are trucks that are not making revenue during those changeovers. So now that we've got a lot out there and we've got some very good data Coming in, it bodes very well, in terms of their ability to use this to save money on diesel fuel And to comply with anti idling regulations. So, we're excited about the prospects for this new market because it's no longer A luxury.

Speaker 1

Oh, here, have lithium batteries and you can do things you couldn't before. This is truly a cost saving measure for the fleets and it's resonating quite well.

Speaker 5

Excellent. And I don't believe there's a ton of precedent for retrofit quite like this in the trucking industry, but Have you received any indication about how long their test cycle would likely last?

Speaker 1

We've had tests out there for Up to 8 months. So they definitely want to try summers, they want to try winters. But as soon as I will say that we are working with Standard bearing type fleets where if some of these changeover, it will affect the changeover of others as well.

Speaker 5

Excellent. And then last one on that point. The supply chain for the components around kind of the BMS and the broader system, How comfortable are you with that, that your suppliers that you have now could scale quickly if necessary?

Speaker 1

We're very comfortable.

Speaker 5

Great. That is all for me. Thanks guys.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Vince.

Operator

Your next question comes from Brian Dobson from Chardan. Your line is now open.

Speaker 6

Hi, thanks very much. So you mentioned the potential for a 2024 recovery in the RV market. I guess, what are you seeing that would drive that recovery? And what are you hearing from your contacts in the RV industry?

Speaker 2

Sure, Brian. Part of that is obviously looking at some of the RBIA Forecast data for the industry and things along those lines, both in terms of what the dealers are giving back up to the OEMs As well as where some of the inventory levels and things like that stand today. I think there still is a Pretty good and healthy debate about what the slope of that recovery looks like and how early or late in 2024, It may actually start to occur. We have seen some of the year over year declines in unit shipments start to shrink. So it's We are at least, I think, getting back to more of that level of normalcy that the industry was expecting to achieve.

Speaker 2

And I guess the only other comment I would make there is despite some of the challenges and we certainly have talked about the overall industry Weakness, but even some of the specific things we have with our largest OEM customer, we continue to win share elsewhere. So I still do expect that As this recovery does start to take place that we'll come out of it with more share on the other side of it than we went into.

Speaker 6

Yes, very good. Thanks. And then just to ask another follow-up question on the trucking industry. It seems like there's a significant opportunity there to reduce idle times. Could you maybe speak to the call it Cost benefit for these truckers to transition to lithium ion and maybe give us a little bit of color on the conversations you've been having with some of those key players?

Speaker 1

Well, obviously, the conversations have been very positive, given their willingness to move so quickly, especially on the timeline of this industry. And it really is an analysis of how much fuel they're burning during idling. And that's it. The industry as a whole can save 1,000,000,000 of dollars if they switch over to the electric APU option and basically eliminate idling. So what happens is as you're driving, some of that energy is going from the alternator Charging the battery so that when the truck is off and you're basically in standby mode, you can power All of your appliances there, including your air conditioner and other devices, basically overnight.

Speaker 1

So it's it definitely Pays off pretty quickly, and it's something that in addition to the payoff, there are increasing regulations, Air quality type regulations, fuel burning regulations were idling, it's just not allowed anymore in a lot of places.

Speaker 6

Yes, excellent. Thanks. And then just as one final question. In terms of the dry electrolyte, you had mentioned that you've been Seeing indications of interest. Did you think you can just tell us which sectors of the economy those indications are coming from?

Speaker 6

I know it's still very, very early.

Speaker 1

Yes. The interest has come from the consumer electronics sector, the vehicle sector And the data center backup sector. So we've gotten quite a bit of interest here. These are end customers. In relation to the last question, these are not cell suppliers, but rather cell end users or pack end users that have expressed interest.

Speaker 6

Excellent. Thanks very much.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Jeff Grampp from Alliance Global Partners. Your line is now open.

Speaker 7

Good afternoon. Thanks for the time. I have a question on the Dragonfly Intelligence. I think you mentioned in the prepared remarks that you shipped your first Batteries there recently. I'm curious what kind of capacity you guys have to manufacture those?

Speaker 7

Maybe it's a portion of overall capacity, if that's the easiest way to look at it. And if you could just kind of characterize the overall demand for batteries with that feature set?

Speaker 1

Well, that's a good question. In terms of capacity, we've basically replicated a line that is able to produce these batteries with that intelligence feature. So, we can basically produce what we're producing now in addition to what we're producing now. So we can double production and basically half of that will be with the intelligence feature. In terms of What the actual market looks like there?

Speaker 1

There's a couple of areas where we think it bodes very well. And the first one is in the marine market. A lot of the hindrance to the incorporation of lithium in the marine market has been insurance issues. And insurers have been reluctant to insure boats with lithium ion batteries. The American Boat and Yacht Consortium came out with a set of standards to Try to address this issue, try to actually standardize what lithium systems should look like.

Speaker 1

And that's what we've one of the things that we've addressed with the intelligence So, the marine market itself is enormous. The aftermarket in marine is similar to RV, probably a little bit bigger In the 1,000,000,000 of dollars, so we see a lot of potential there. In addition to that, the stationary storage market Where remote monitoring is important, where accurate state of health, state of charge determination is important, we don't have much Traction in that market now and we hope that this feature will help us to accelerate there as well.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you. And my follow-up relates to the guide for Q4. It looks like you guys are projecting some sequential deterioration on the gross margin side. Is that a volume factor just with the lower sequential revenue or maybe some reversion mix away from DTC?

Speaker 7

Just Wondering kind of the main driving forces there relative to the strong margins you guys had in Q3. Sure.

Speaker 2

Yes. I mean part of that I think is very much just The lower overall volumes that we're trying to account for there, there's a couple of year end inventory items that will get Folded into that as well, but it's primarily because of the lower unit volumes that are expected.

Speaker 7

Understood. Okay. Thank you for the time.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. Dennis Farris, please proceed with your closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you for everyone joining us today. We look forward to sharing additional details with all of you in the coming quarters. Have a great day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.

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Key Takeaways

  • Dragonfly reported Q3 net sales of $15.9 million, down from $26.1 million a year ago, primarily due to a steeper-than-expected RV industry decline and its largest OEM customer shifting its batteries from standard to optional equipment.
  • Despite the RV market headwinds, Dragonfly continues to gain market share with no customers moving to competitors, and expects the RV segment to recover as consumer demand stabilizes in 2024.
  • The company shipped its first batteries featuring Dragonfly Intelligence, produced on a new assembly line with unique firmware per unit for precise remote monitoring of battery state of charge and health.
  • Dragonfly is diversifying into transportation, with over 15 blue-chip fleet pilot programs and the launch of its all–electric APU for heavy-duty trucks, targeting fleets representing 15 % of North America’s Class 8 market and promising significant fuel-cost savings and emissions reductions.
  • Progress continues on its patented dry deposition cell manufacturing pilot line, having produced LFP and graphite electrodes at scale, and the company aims to deliver sample cells to prospective consumer electronics, data-center backup and EV customers by year end.
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