TSE:AIM Aimia Q3 2023 Earnings Report C$2.77 +0.01 (+0.36%) As of 05/23/2025 04:00 PM Eastern ProfileEarnings HistoryForecast Aimia EPS ResultsActual EPS-C$0.37Consensus EPS -C$0.07Beat/MissMissed by -C$0.30One Year Ago EPSN/AAimia Revenue ResultsActual Revenue$114.30 millionExpected RevenueN/ABeat/MissN/AYoY Revenue GrowthN/AAimia Announcement DetailsQuarterQ3 2023Date11/14/2023TimeN/AConference Call DateTuesday, November 14, 2023Conference Call Time8:30AM ETConference Call ResourcesConference Call AudioConference Call TranscriptSlide DeckInterim ReportEarnings HistoryCompany ProfileSlide DeckFull Screen Slide DeckPowered by Aimia Q3 2023 Earnings Call TranscriptProvided by QuartrNovember 14, 2023 ShareLink copied to clipboard.There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the EMEA, Inc. Third Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in listen only mode. Following the presentation, we'll conduct a question and answer session. This call is being recorded on Tuesday, November 14, 2023. Operator00:00:25I would now like to turn the conference over to Albert Matuszak. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:32Thank you, Colin, and welcome, everyone, to this morning's call. Today's presentation is available on SEDAR Plus and on our website. Before we get underway, I would like to remind everyone, My name is Albert Matussek, Head of IR and Communications. With me on the call today are speakers Phil Mittelman, Aimia's CEO Michael Lehmann, our President and Steve Leonard, our CFO. Phil will begin with our strategic highlights, followed by Michael, who will cover the performance of our investments and hand the call over to Steve to walk us through the results of the quarter. Speaker 100:01:04We will have time for your questions at the end. With that, let me hand it over to Phil. Speaker 200:01:08Thanks, Albert, and good morning to everyone on the phone and webcast today. I'm pleased to report strong performance by both Pizzetto and Cortland in the 3rd quarter. Their combined adjusted EBITDA of $17,400,000 a testament to the underlying strength of each of those businesses and their excellent management teams. I'd like to focus my comments on some recent highlights of both Bozetto and Cortland. Last week, we announced Pizzetto's planned acquisition of Starchem, a specialty chemicals producer. Speaker 200:01:35This is a critical step towards the company's Expansion into the Americas, which has been an important component of our investment thesis. Roseto has signed a definitive purchase agreement to acquire 65 percent of Star Camp for $25,100,000 with the potential earn out of an additional $12,500,000 based on EBITDA targets. The Starchem management team will retain a material minority position of 35% and we'll continue to operate the business in partnership with Vazeto. We expect Sarchem to generate approximately $48,000,000 in revenue for the fiscal year ending December 31, 2023 with an EBITDA margin of approximately 12%. STAR CHEM is at the forefront of the specialty chemical solution industry in Honduras, is one of the world's largest textile producing markets. Speaker 200:02:15Starchem serves major U. S. Manufacturers such as Frutar Valloum, Haynes and Gildan. Its facilities have an installed production capacity of 20,000 metric tons annually with room to expand. STAR CHEM, with a reputation for excellence, Has been in business with Bozzetto since 2013. Speaker 200:02:32From a strategic point of view, StarChem will serve as a platform for Bozzetto to pursue further growth opportunities in the Americas. We believe Verzento's ESG focused chemical solutions will be well received in the Americas, both in the textiles vertical and its other verticals, Dispersion Solutions and Water Starcom's manufacturing capacity and proximity to target customers will enable Bozzetto to service new customers throughout the hemisphere. We viewed expansion into the Americas as a top priority for Briseido, which is already a leader in selected European and Asian markets, and we are very excited about the new opportunities that Starchem will This transaction is perfectly aligned with our strategy to grow our portfolio companies by helping them identify and finance accretive and synergistic acquisition opportunities, allowing us to build world leading businesses for our stakeholders. The business case for Starchem is similar to the Tephros purchase of Cortland Industrial. We have already seen early success with the combined organization now operating as Cortland International. Speaker 200:03:30Let's move on to Cortland's recent highlights. Under the Cortneyt International brand, we recently appointed a new leadership team that is well positioned to steer the business towards a bright future. Stuart Cianci, our new CEO, brings over 35 years of global experience in the synthetic rope industry. Having worked in diverse markets Across Asia, Pacific and Australia and having led partnerships in China, India and Southeast Asia, Stuart's insight is invaluable for our continued global expansion. Brian Pettipot, our new CFO, brings insights from a career spanning a variety of sectors, including a long track record of success in private equity. Speaker 200:04:04Their collective experience and dedication, along with that of their colleagues, is already making a significant impact, evidenced by the smooth integration of tough ropes in Cortland. As outlined at our recent Investor Day, the Cortland team has identified specific market opportunities in various global sectors. The combined entity offers the unique value Opposition of high quality, cost advantaged manufacturing from the tough rope side and global technical leadership from the Cortland side. We're making strides in enhancing our presence in high performance synthetic fibers and custom solutions across ropes, slings and tether segments. We expect synergies to generate substantial value, and we're eager to see these developments unfold in the coming quarters. Speaker 200:04:43Mike will provide further details on the performance of Bozzetta with Cortland and our other investments in a moment. Before turning it over to him, I'd like to comment on some other important developments at Aimia. In October, we completed a private placement that raised gross proceeds of $32,500,000 to support our continued growth. Concurrently, We welcome 2 new esteemed members to our Board of Directors, Thomas Fink and Janis Kufelos, both of whom are independent and bring with them a wealth of success and knowledge Fortune 500 company leadership. Thomas Fink, our new Chairman, expands the Board expertise with his vast experience in finance and governance. Speaker 200:05:17Giannis will enhance the Board's expertise with his 3 decades of experience in supply chain management, procurement and logistics. This continued Board rejuvenation signifies Aimia's unwavering commitment to bolstering our leadership capabilities, ensuring robust governance and creating shareholder value. And with that, let me turn the floor over to Mike to provide you with some further updates on our investment portfolio. Mike? Speaker 300:05:39Thanks, Phil, and good morning to everyone. I'm now going to walk you through the operating performance of each of our businesses. First, let's start with Bozetta. Bozetta reported robust revenues of $75,900,000 reflecting the strong demand and operational excellence that they've achieved over the past quarter. Gross profit for the quarter adjusted to exclude depreciation and amortization amounted to $20,400,000 or 26.9 percent. Speaker 300:06:04This strong margin performance was due to the effective yield management, which focused on product mix and procurement. Perhaps the most indicative of the operating efficiency was Vazeto's adjusted EBITDA, which came in at $11,700,000 This represents a solid EBITDA margin of 15.4 percent, underscoring Pzeneta's profitability and the team's ability to manage costs effectively in the face of modest headwinds largely due to geopolitical uncertainty. Turning our focus to Cortland International. Cortland's brand is synonymous with excellence in technology driven synthetic ropes, slings and tethered products. For the Q3, Cortland International delivered strong financial results. Speaker 300:06:49The company recorded revenues of $38,400,000 with a gross profit excluding depreciation and amortization of $9,700,000 or 25.3 percent. For the quarter, Korlym recorded an adjusted EBITDA of 5,700,000. This translates into an adjusted EBITDA margin of 14,800,000 14.8%. While healthy, this margin is lower than our expectations due to the integration of Cortland Industrial, which at the time of acquisition was generating a lower EBITDA margin of around 10%, as well as some short term market pressures due to regional various regional economic factors impacting volumes and pricing. While we see some challenges associated with the current market conditions that may continue into Q4 this year, we remain optimistic that the combined business will achieve adjusted EBITDA margins of 20% over the next 2 years. Speaker 300:07:47Moving on to Clear Media. Clear Media maintained steady performance in Q3 2023 with revenues of RMB210 1,000,000 in line with the results from Q2 2023 and an increase of 12.9% over the same quarter last year. While an improvement over the same period last year, we're still waiting for the sluggish Chinese economy to rebound in order for this business to meaningfully improve its operating results. Moving on to Cognitive. In the Q3, revenues from continuing operations was $11,500,000 up $300,000 from the prior year. Speaker 300:08:25Adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations was a loss of $4,300,000 a significant improvement from the loss of $7,200,000 in the prior year and a sequential improvement from the $5,000,000 loss in Q2 2023. Cognitive has enjoyed a recent strong influx of new business opportunities and client engagements, reflecting the positive reception of its new product offerings, including its AI powered Cognitive Pulse, which enables global brands to design, build and manage their loyalty programs. Next up is Capital A. Capital A recorded strong airline operating results in the Q3 of 2023, achieving close to 50% growth in passengers carried, while seat capacity grew close to 45%. On November 1, as part of the PN-seventeen regularization plan, Capital A announced an LOI to sell Brand AirAsia, the registered proprietor of AirAsia brand and Fleet Consolidated Limited, The entity responsible for procurement and leasing of aircraft for an indicative equity value of $1,000,000,000 to a SPAC Ethereum on the NASDAQ. Speaker 300:09:41Shares of Capital A have performed very well and have climbed 32% year to date. Aimia owns approximately 3% of the outstanding shares. Moving on to TradeX. Aimia recorded a non cash impairment of $36,200,000 related to its holdings in convertible preferred shares, warrants and convertible notes in TradeX. This impairment was driven by recent poor financial performance and trade financing challenges, which led to a restructuring of the business. Speaker 300:10:13This includes the planned divestiture of its Wholesale Express subsidiary, The reorganization of the international auto trading business under its Tech Atlantic subsidiary and advancing new business ventures such as the electronic vehicle distribution project discussed at our Investor Day. And with that, Speaker 400:10:32let me turn it over to Steve to take you through the financial results. Steve? Thanks, Mike. We ended the quarter with $42,500,000 of cash, of which $26,800,000 was held in Vazeto, $6,500,000 in Cortland International and $9,200,000 in the Holdings segment. Aimia also ended the quarter with 40 $5,200,000 in liquid securities. Speaker 400:10:56On a pro form a basis with net proceeds from the private placement, We have CAD72,900,000 of cash. As we mentioned earlier, the planned acquisition of Starkem by our Bozzetto subsidiary is expected to be financed primarily with debt when this transaction closes in the next 30 to 60 days. We continue to work towards obtaining financing at the Cortland International Business. Efforts have been delayed due to the uncertainty caused by shareholder activists. Now let me turn to the operating costs of the Holdings segment. Speaker 400:11:31During the Q3 of 'twenty three, The Holdings segment reported a loss before income taxes of $28,800,000 mainly related to a negative Net change in fair value of investments of $25,700,000 The fair value change included the unrealized fair value loss of $36,200,000 on the company's investment in TradeX. Selling, general and admin expenses amounted to $7,400,000 up 2 point $1,000,000 versus the quarter in the same period last year. Speaker 200:12:04The increase was primarily due to legal and advisory related fees associated with the response to shareholder activism. And with that, let me turn it back over to Phil to wrap up with a few concluding remarks. Phil? Thanks, Steve. I would like to take a moment to address the takeover bid for our company and the related activist activity. Speaker 200:12:24I know that many shareholders are concerned about the impact it may have on our business, our share price and our ability to continue to generate shareholder value. As you know, we have been approached with a hostile takeover offer from Mythic. In response, our Board, backed by the recommendations of an independent special committee, has unanimously advised our shareholders to reject this highly conditional, unsolicited bid for many reasons outlined in our Director's circular, some of which I will touch on here. Let me put this into context. Aimia has been on an upward trajectory, successfully generating over $750,000,000 from liquidity events since 2020 and redeploying nearly $700,000,000 of that through strategic acquisitions. Speaker 200:13:05We are clearly poised for growth and are committed to enhancing shareholder value, a commitment that would be derailed and compromised by Mythic's self interested takeover bid. The fact that it's offered not only undervalues Aimia significantly, but their approach also contradicts the investment strategy we have established. They offer no credible investment strategy of their own, nor do they have any discernible investment track record. They do not have not put forward a management team or proposed any board members. There have been a distraction that would deny you, our shareholders, the full benefit of your investment at the precise time it is beginning to bear fruit. Speaker 200:13:40Aimia's stock performance, which has been depressed and undermined by Mythic's tactics, does not reflect the company's true value or potential. We've been clear about this in our Director's circular and encourage all shareholders to review it thoroughly on our website. We are not standing still in the face of these challenges. We have acquired 3 companies since the beginning of the year and signed an agreement to acquire a 4th with more in progress. We fortified our Board with seasoned leaders like Thomas Fink, our new Chairman, who brings over 30 years of asset management and investment experience and Ioannis Kufoulas, who brings decades of operational experience at Fortune 500 Companies. Speaker 200:14:15Their experience, along with that of our other distinguished board members, is crucial as we navigate through this period and continue to steer Aimia towards its strategic goals. In the face of this adversity, we've also had to expend significant resources to address what we believe are Mythic's unlawful tactics. We're ready to prove these allegations in court come January and fully expect to showcase the facts actions for what they are. Their bid Replete with 20 conditions satisfied at their sole discretion is designed to further their agenda, not Aimia's and not that of our shareholders. Let me be clear, Aimia's value should not be judged by temporary market conditions, but rather on our investment strategy and the strong portfolio we continue to build. Speaker 200:14:58To further validate the quality of these assets, we have welcomed a number of new sophisticated investors who support our vision by successfully raising capital through a private placement, Further strengthening Aimia's position. All that being said, it still doesn't clearly answer the question so many ask me. With all these great things happening, why is the stock so low? For starters, no one likes a messy battle. It needlessly depletes resources, it distracts management, it deters new and existing shareholders from increasing their positions. Speaker 200:15:26It also drives people to the sidelines. I've been told by numerous investors that I'd love to buy X 1,000,000 shares, but I don't want to wake up and find out I'm trapped in a company run by Mythic, So I'll come in when that's resolved. That's the essence of why our stock is where it is. While our strong roster of long term investors has steadfastly supported us throughout this sort of deal, Many are waiting on the sidelines for its resolution. We believe that time is near and are working hard to get there as soon as we can. Speaker 200:15:53And to add insult to injury, We can't buy back our stock as we would normally be aggressively doing because our financing of Cortland was derailed by the same uncertainty. So it's a perfect storm and that equates at least in the short term to a low stock price, but that can change very quickly when the fog is lifted and we expect that it will. We stand firm in our conviction that rejecting Mythic's offer is in the best interest of all shareholders. We are here to build value, not to surrender it, and we will continue to act in the best interest of Aimia and its shareholders. Our Board unanimously recommends that shareholders reject the Hassell offer and not tender their common shares. Speaker 200:16:28You don't have to do anything to reject our offer. You simply do not tender your shares. At this point, we're happy to take questions. Speaker 100:16:36Colin, that concludes today's prepared remarks. Please go ahead and prompt for questions. Operator00:16:41Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll now begin the question and and The question and answer Your first question comes from Brian Morrison from TD Securities. Brian, please go ahead. Speaker 500:17:11Yes. Good morning, guys. First question on Cortland. It sounds like perhaps the incumbent business Pre Cortland, it's running a little bit below expectations. I think you said maybe it was macro or maybe there's some internal issues going on there. Speaker 500:17:26But maybe just comment upon that And what gives you confidence that your guidance that you gave back at the Investor Day for 2024, 2025 still holds? Speaker 400:17:36Hi, Brian, Steve Leonard. Yes, we acquired Cortland when we announced the transaction. Their margin was around 10% Compared to the tough ropes business that we had been guiding around 2018, we With any business, the Q1 of integration and we didn't have a full quarter there. There are some lumps in the quarter, but we're still holding to Guidance that we gave relative to the 2 businesses at Investor Day, We had a strong overall, the volumes at the tough ropes business were 10.5 metric tonnes, which is in line with the volume that we expected to sell over a full year basis. So overall, it was a solid quarter for the combined business. Speaker 300:18:26Okay. Hey, Brian, it's Mike Lehmann. Just to add to that, some of the just the global geo Political headwinds that we're seeing in the U. S. Throughout Europe, throughout Asia are hitting tough ropes a little bit. Speaker 300:18:44There are some degrees of a lack of confidence in 2024 and potential Recessionary environment, even if it's a soft landing like environment, which are causing people to order just a few percent less Than we would have typically expected. So that's what we're really referring to when we talk about some minor headwinds. Speaker 500:19:10Okay. Thank you. When I look at the progression of funding, do you require I'm specifically talking about Cortland. Do you require resolution upon the litigation? Or are you able to potentially proceed with your recent financing? Speaker 500:19:23Are you able to potentially proceed with funding of that? And then You mentioned an acquisition forthcoming. Can you give us maybe not details, but size of magnitude and how that would be funded? Would it be by the hold COBRA or would it be at the operating level? Speaker 200:19:37Hey, Brian. Hey, it's Phil. So I think, yes, first of all, with regard to your second question, the new acquisition is roughly twice the size of Cortland, and it's with much higher margins. So that's the kind of target we're Target size we're looking at is the next acquisition. In terms of the funding of Cortland, I think lenders want to know who they're lending to. Speaker 200:20:00And I think that while when the financing originally fell apart, it was there really wasn't much hope. It looked kind of like an untenable situation. It was very messy. And I think the smoke is starting to clear a little bit. So we're trying to revisit that and We're going to re approach lenders. Speaker 200:20:16So we don't have an answer yet except to say that the smoke is starting to clear a little bit. I think people are getting more confident, especially with this new investor base and our new board members that we will succeed in maintaining control. And so that would give comfort to some lenders. So So we're optimistic, but we don't have anything in hand yet. Speaker 500:20:34Okay. And sorry, the acquisition that you just commented, twice the size of Cortland, how would that be funded? Speaker 200:20:41Well, again, it's kind of it's all tied together. We would be pursuing lenders, and we would expect that, that would be part of a lending package. So Stay tuned on that. Also, we just raised a significant amount of capital. And so we would it's a balancing act, but hopefully it could be part of a larger funding. Speaker 400:20:59Okay. And the plan is to fund it out of the at the subsidiary level. I think that was another one of your questions. Speaker 500:21:06Yes, that's where I was going with it. Okay. And then Phil, just last one on cognitive here. It sounds like you're making progression on your non core assets, maybe where that process stands. I know that you had mentioned that you're entertaining some phone calls. Speaker 500:21:19Just an update on the process at Cognitive. Speaker 200:21:22Yes. Cognitive has gotten pretty exciting. So, first of all, they're completing an equity raise at a very strong valuation. We can't disclose it, but I think you'd be very happy with it. Those incoming calls have evolved into some pretty serious discussions. Speaker 200:21:41So there's more than one Opportunity on the table that could create a liquidity event for Cognitive. So it's become an exciting story. It's becoming a Rather than a survival story, it's becoming a growth story now and an exciting one. So stay tuned, but I think things are heating up there and it's And we hopefully will have some news maybe in the next quarter. Speaker 500:22:05All right. That's all for me. Thank you. Speaker 200:22:08Thank you, Brian. Speaker 100:22:09Thanks, Brian. Before we continue to have the questions, I'll be addressing some questions that we received from investors by email. So the first question is, what more can you tell us about the new investors who participated in the private placement? Well, this is I'll Speaker 200:22:24tell you that you've seen 2 of them. You've seen Thomas and Janus, who are fantastic additions to our Board. And I would say, I think it's a really big and important testament to Aimia's value in our strategy that these people have come in into such a situation. I mean, usually, you're in the middle of an ugly battle with an activist. People stay on the sidelines. Speaker 200:22:47These people dove in head first and bought a significant amount of stock and obviously joined the Board and our investor roster. And while I can't Identify the list of investors. I will tell you that it is the most incredible group of investors I've ever seen assembled in an investor round. So I think that they're not only do they provide cash, they provide a lot more than cash for Aimia. And we're going to get a lot of benefit from their participation. Speaker 200:23:12So I think we're very, very happy with that strategic group of investors and I think it'll be a tremendous long term benefit for Aimia. Thanks, Phil. Speaker 100:23:23A second question we got is, are you expecting any upside on the existing Starchem business that is generating $48,000,000 in sales and 12% EBITDA margins? Or is the rationale primarily about bringing PIZZETTA product to new markets? We see Speaker 200:23:35a lot of upside in both of those aspects of the acquisition. I think We timed this acquisition very well. There's just because of the macroeconomic situation in textiles, we saw that Their sales and EBITDA down dramatically right before we made this acquisition. So we see a lot of upside in the company's EBITDA. We see a lot of opportunity in terms of synergies, but most importantly, we see tremendous upside in this company's ability to distribute and produce Pizetto's products to a very large new market that Pizetto previously had never been able to sell into. Speaker 200:24:12So it's a very exciting acquisition. It's transformational And we're very excited about it. Speaker 300:24:18If I could just add on. So the chemical as Phil said, the chemical solutions within Vazeto They're currently manufacturing and distributing all across Europe and Asia. They're also in great demand in other geographies and they just haven't Distributed into those geographies because they didn't have a manufacturing base. We now do have the manufacturing base. So the Americas platform is the next phase of growth within Bozzetto. Speaker 300:24:43The company has been a very significant player supporting the textile industry within the ESG focused specialty chemical solutions sector and this is going to be a primary initial focus at Startcam, but we see numerous opportunities to expand into adjacent sectors Within both dispersion as well as water solutions into subcategories like personal care, consumer products, very, very, very large sectors within North America that to date use products that we manufacture, but they just don't use Bozzetto's Because of the manufacturing geography. So that's going to open up a whole new world for us. Speaker 100:25:27Thanks, Michael. Another question that just came in. Can you comment on the change of management at Cortland? Speaker 200:25:32Sure. This was always planned. We had our previous CEO had been interim, our CFO had been interim, and we've been looking for a new management team since we started pursuing the acquisition. And when we found Cortland, Cortland came with some really strong management. And so we're very happy to tap into that. Speaker 200:25:52And We had found Brian through research and then we found Stuart through obviously our transaction with Cortland. So that was a natural progression. It was something we were always planning on and we're very happy with the way it worked out. Thanks, Sal. Speaker 100:26:09Colin, are there any other questions? Operator00:26:12Yes, we have a question from Sebastian Vargas from Jefferies. Sebastian, please go ahead. Speaker 600:26:22This is Surinder. Just following up on the Cortland, Can you talk a little bit about just kind of the integration process at this point? At what point would you see What I would call kind of a more integrated one sales force approach. And just any commentary on longer term revenue synergies here? Speaker 400:26:46Yes, I'd say and I'll let my colleagues add as well, Steve. So we acquired them on Mid July, we've made the management changes. There's been structural changes within the team in terms of The organization and especially on the go to market strategy as well as the rebranding, you'll see that we've We branded the entire business. So we're expecting Surinder to start seeing some of that Going into the Q4, but more in 'twenty four, I would expect to see substantial traction On the sales side. And some examples, so Cortland Industrial, The company that we acquired was a highly engineered business dealing with very sophisticated Buyers. Speaker 400:27:43And they also purchased, let's call it more Lower end value ropes and tethers and these things, but they were purchasing them from other suppliers in Asia, So there's a synergy there because now the combined business can offer those products to that market, Those customers of Cortland Industrial. And then likewise on the tough rope side, there was a distribution network, export network, Where again, a lot of those customers were buying what Cortland provides, which is very good high quality, but they weren't necessarily buying The more sophisticated products that are laying that are required for Specific applications, heavy loads, etcetera. So those are the things we're seeing as well as production. The other element is production. So we mentioned When we acquired Tuff Ropes that there's a capacity available with our plants in India, and we're looking to utilize the excess available Speaker 200:28:55Hey, Surinder, it's Phil. How are you? So, also, I think I would say at the top of the list of the new management team's To do list has been recruiting and enhancing the sales force and targeting the highest margin areas. So we're in the process of Prioritizing and focusing their sales efforts where it really matters and getting I think Stuart's background comes from sales. And so That's a major focus is getting both the product portfolios and catalogs cross sold, but also sold into New markets together. Speaker 200:29:31So that's a big focal point for 2024. Speaker 600:29:35Got it. And then maybe turning to Bozzetta here And the Starchem acquisition, just any comment on the Starchem margins, which are a bit below the Pizzeto Margins and just kind of how you think about this longer term as you think about integrating and all of that other kind of stuff? Speaker 300:29:57So it's Mike. Hi, Surinder. So yes, the EBITDA margins are currently about 12% versus kind of 3 to 500 basis points above that for Bezetto, which is typical. There are a few things there. The chemical solutions that Bozzetto makes are higher margin and greatly in demand products. Speaker 300:30:25So we are going to as we shift that product line, let's just call it For separation, for discussion purposes, that is immediately going to add to the EBITDA margin just through The combination of higher margin products going through. Historically, Bozzetto has been more efficient in their ability to procure product going into their specialty solutions. So We feel that even just separate from mix shift within Starchem, we'll be able to increase the EBITDA margins across the board. In addition, as I mentioned, there are numerous opportunities to expand into adjacent sectors Within Honduras and Central and South America, it's a huge manufacturing base for textiles, t shirts and the like. We also through Bezzetto have the ability to manufacture goods that go into other products other than textile. Speaker 300:31:34So what we're planning on doing is expanding the manufacturing base down there and using that manufacturing base as a platform is a jumping off a springboard, if you would, to get those chemicals into North America, into other things like personal care, like consumer products, into other adjacencies that are very large and have the capability to make this much more than a textile oriented Company, STAR CHEM, and has the ability to be much more well rounded and be able to serve many other sectors than what they produce now, which is primarily the textile industry. Speaker 600:32:19That's helpful. And then just maybe another quick one here. Just on Clear Media, I guess how patient are you willing to be in terms of just kind of waiting out the situation and the turnaround in that business? Or is there potentially an exit strategy where maybe that capital could be better allocated elsewhere in the near term if you were able to monetize whenever you can. Speaker 200:32:45Yes. I mean, I think we've been patient for the right reasons. I mean, the delays in the company's execution of their plan have been no fault of their own. As you know, it's been 0 COVID, surviving for 2 years of 0 COVID is somewhat miraculous that they did this without damaging the equity value of the company and they've managed To fine tune the model and to shed bad leases, etcetera. So we definitely do not want to exit this For harvesting that, all that patience has been expended and now we're now at a position where we can see this thing really grow It'd be turbocharged into any type of economic recovery. Speaker 200:33:22So it's hard to predict macroeconomic trends and when a company is going to recover, but I would not bet against this group. We've got J. C. Decode, a leader in the business, raring to go and aggressively wants to support and pursue the strategy here. So I think we're going to remain patient and we're going to hold this to some type of monetization event. Speaker 200:33:47We definitely don't want to miss out on what's to come because having waited this long, it's not the time to abandon ship. It's the time To be optimistic and hope that recovery is coming and that we're going to reap the fruits of that waiting and this amazing partnership group behind it. So we'll remain patient. Speaker 400:34:14There are no Operator00:34:14further questions at this time. I'll turn it back to Albert for closing remarks. Speaker 100:34:20Well, thank you very much. I would likeRead morePowered by Key Takeaways Strong Q3 results: Pizzeto and Cortland delivered combined adjusted EBITDA of $17.4 million, reflecting robust profitability across both businesses. Pizzeto to acquire 65% of Starchem for $25.1 million (plus up to $12.5 million earn-out), adding a platform with ~$48 million revenue and 12% EBITDA margins to expand into the Americas. Cortland International has appointed a new leadership team, with Stuart Cianci as CEO and Brian Pettipot as CFO, targeting 20% EBITDA margins over the next two years through operational synergies. Aimia raised $32.5 million via a private placement and welcomed independent directors Thomas Fink and Janis Kufelos to strengthen governance and support growth. The Board unanimously recommends rejecting Mythic’s unsolicited takeover bid, labeling it highly conditional, undervaluing the company, and distracting from Aimia’s strategic trajectory. AI Generated. 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There are 7 speakers on the call. Operator00:00:00Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the EMEA, Inc. Third Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in listen only mode. Following the presentation, we'll conduct a question and answer session. This call is being recorded on Tuesday, November 14, 2023. Operator00:00:25I would now like to turn the conference over to Albert Matuszak. Please go ahead. Speaker 100:00:32Thank you, Colin, and welcome, everyone, to this morning's call. Today's presentation is available on SEDAR Plus and on our website. Before we get underway, I would like to remind everyone, My name is Albert Matussek, Head of IR and Communications. With me on the call today are speakers Phil Mittelman, Aimia's CEO Michael Lehmann, our President and Steve Leonard, our CFO. Phil will begin with our strategic highlights, followed by Michael, who will cover the performance of our investments and hand the call over to Steve to walk us through the results of the quarter. Speaker 100:01:04We will have time for your questions at the end. With that, let me hand it over to Phil. Speaker 200:01:08Thanks, Albert, and good morning to everyone on the phone and webcast today. I'm pleased to report strong performance by both Pizzetto and Cortland in the 3rd quarter. Their combined adjusted EBITDA of $17,400,000 a testament to the underlying strength of each of those businesses and their excellent management teams. I'd like to focus my comments on some recent highlights of both Bozetto and Cortland. Last week, we announced Pizzetto's planned acquisition of Starchem, a specialty chemicals producer. Speaker 200:01:35This is a critical step towards the company's Expansion into the Americas, which has been an important component of our investment thesis. Roseto has signed a definitive purchase agreement to acquire 65 percent of Star Camp for $25,100,000 with the potential earn out of an additional $12,500,000 based on EBITDA targets. The Starchem management team will retain a material minority position of 35% and we'll continue to operate the business in partnership with Vazeto. We expect Sarchem to generate approximately $48,000,000 in revenue for the fiscal year ending December 31, 2023 with an EBITDA margin of approximately 12%. STAR CHEM is at the forefront of the specialty chemical solution industry in Honduras, is one of the world's largest textile producing markets. Speaker 200:02:15Starchem serves major U. S. Manufacturers such as Frutar Valloum, Haynes and Gildan. Its facilities have an installed production capacity of 20,000 metric tons annually with room to expand. STAR CHEM, with a reputation for excellence, Has been in business with Bozzetto since 2013. Speaker 200:02:32From a strategic point of view, StarChem will serve as a platform for Bozzetto to pursue further growth opportunities in the Americas. We believe Verzento's ESG focused chemical solutions will be well received in the Americas, both in the textiles vertical and its other verticals, Dispersion Solutions and Water Starcom's manufacturing capacity and proximity to target customers will enable Bozzetto to service new customers throughout the hemisphere. We viewed expansion into the Americas as a top priority for Briseido, which is already a leader in selected European and Asian markets, and we are very excited about the new opportunities that Starchem will This transaction is perfectly aligned with our strategy to grow our portfolio companies by helping them identify and finance accretive and synergistic acquisition opportunities, allowing us to build world leading businesses for our stakeholders. The business case for Starchem is similar to the Tephros purchase of Cortland Industrial. We have already seen early success with the combined organization now operating as Cortland International. Speaker 200:03:30Let's move on to Cortland's recent highlights. Under the Cortneyt International brand, we recently appointed a new leadership team that is well positioned to steer the business towards a bright future. Stuart Cianci, our new CEO, brings over 35 years of global experience in the synthetic rope industry. Having worked in diverse markets Across Asia, Pacific and Australia and having led partnerships in China, India and Southeast Asia, Stuart's insight is invaluable for our continued global expansion. Brian Pettipot, our new CFO, brings insights from a career spanning a variety of sectors, including a long track record of success in private equity. Speaker 200:04:04Their collective experience and dedication, along with that of their colleagues, is already making a significant impact, evidenced by the smooth integration of tough ropes in Cortland. As outlined at our recent Investor Day, the Cortland team has identified specific market opportunities in various global sectors. The combined entity offers the unique value Opposition of high quality, cost advantaged manufacturing from the tough rope side and global technical leadership from the Cortland side. We're making strides in enhancing our presence in high performance synthetic fibers and custom solutions across ropes, slings and tether segments. We expect synergies to generate substantial value, and we're eager to see these developments unfold in the coming quarters. Speaker 200:04:43Mike will provide further details on the performance of Bozzetta with Cortland and our other investments in a moment. Before turning it over to him, I'd like to comment on some other important developments at Aimia. In October, we completed a private placement that raised gross proceeds of $32,500,000 to support our continued growth. Concurrently, We welcome 2 new esteemed members to our Board of Directors, Thomas Fink and Janis Kufelos, both of whom are independent and bring with them a wealth of success and knowledge Fortune 500 company leadership. Thomas Fink, our new Chairman, expands the Board expertise with his vast experience in finance and governance. Speaker 200:05:17Giannis will enhance the Board's expertise with his 3 decades of experience in supply chain management, procurement and logistics. This continued Board rejuvenation signifies Aimia's unwavering commitment to bolstering our leadership capabilities, ensuring robust governance and creating shareholder value. And with that, let me turn the floor over to Mike to provide you with some further updates on our investment portfolio. Mike? Speaker 300:05:39Thanks, Phil, and good morning to everyone. I'm now going to walk you through the operating performance of each of our businesses. First, let's start with Bozetta. Bozetta reported robust revenues of $75,900,000 reflecting the strong demand and operational excellence that they've achieved over the past quarter. Gross profit for the quarter adjusted to exclude depreciation and amortization amounted to $20,400,000 or 26.9 percent. Speaker 300:06:04This strong margin performance was due to the effective yield management, which focused on product mix and procurement. Perhaps the most indicative of the operating efficiency was Vazeto's adjusted EBITDA, which came in at $11,700,000 This represents a solid EBITDA margin of 15.4 percent, underscoring Pzeneta's profitability and the team's ability to manage costs effectively in the face of modest headwinds largely due to geopolitical uncertainty. Turning our focus to Cortland International. Cortland's brand is synonymous with excellence in technology driven synthetic ropes, slings and tethered products. For the Q3, Cortland International delivered strong financial results. Speaker 300:06:49The company recorded revenues of $38,400,000 with a gross profit excluding depreciation and amortization of $9,700,000 or 25.3 percent. For the quarter, Korlym recorded an adjusted EBITDA of 5,700,000. This translates into an adjusted EBITDA margin of 14,800,000 14.8%. While healthy, this margin is lower than our expectations due to the integration of Cortland Industrial, which at the time of acquisition was generating a lower EBITDA margin of around 10%, as well as some short term market pressures due to regional various regional economic factors impacting volumes and pricing. While we see some challenges associated with the current market conditions that may continue into Q4 this year, we remain optimistic that the combined business will achieve adjusted EBITDA margins of 20% over the next 2 years. Speaker 300:07:47Moving on to Clear Media. Clear Media maintained steady performance in Q3 2023 with revenues of RMB210 1,000,000 in line with the results from Q2 2023 and an increase of 12.9% over the same quarter last year. While an improvement over the same period last year, we're still waiting for the sluggish Chinese economy to rebound in order for this business to meaningfully improve its operating results. Moving on to Cognitive. In the Q3, revenues from continuing operations was $11,500,000 up $300,000 from the prior year. Speaker 300:08:25Adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations was a loss of $4,300,000 a significant improvement from the loss of $7,200,000 in the prior year and a sequential improvement from the $5,000,000 loss in Q2 2023. Cognitive has enjoyed a recent strong influx of new business opportunities and client engagements, reflecting the positive reception of its new product offerings, including its AI powered Cognitive Pulse, which enables global brands to design, build and manage their loyalty programs. Next up is Capital A. Capital A recorded strong airline operating results in the Q3 of 2023, achieving close to 50% growth in passengers carried, while seat capacity grew close to 45%. On November 1, as part of the PN-seventeen regularization plan, Capital A announced an LOI to sell Brand AirAsia, the registered proprietor of AirAsia brand and Fleet Consolidated Limited, The entity responsible for procurement and leasing of aircraft for an indicative equity value of $1,000,000,000 to a SPAC Ethereum on the NASDAQ. Speaker 300:09:41Shares of Capital A have performed very well and have climbed 32% year to date. Aimia owns approximately 3% of the outstanding shares. Moving on to TradeX. Aimia recorded a non cash impairment of $36,200,000 related to its holdings in convertible preferred shares, warrants and convertible notes in TradeX. This impairment was driven by recent poor financial performance and trade financing challenges, which led to a restructuring of the business. Speaker 300:10:13This includes the planned divestiture of its Wholesale Express subsidiary, The reorganization of the international auto trading business under its Tech Atlantic subsidiary and advancing new business ventures such as the electronic vehicle distribution project discussed at our Investor Day. And with that, Speaker 400:10:32let me turn it over to Steve to take you through the financial results. Steve? Thanks, Mike. We ended the quarter with $42,500,000 of cash, of which $26,800,000 was held in Vazeto, $6,500,000 in Cortland International and $9,200,000 in the Holdings segment. Aimia also ended the quarter with 40 $5,200,000 in liquid securities. Speaker 400:10:56On a pro form a basis with net proceeds from the private placement, We have CAD72,900,000 of cash. As we mentioned earlier, the planned acquisition of Starkem by our Bozzetto subsidiary is expected to be financed primarily with debt when this transaction closes in the next 30 to 60 days. We continue to work towards obtaining financing at the Cortland International Business. Efforts have been delayed due to the uncertainty caused by shareholder activists. Now let me turn to the operating costs of the Holdings segment. Speaker 400:11:31During the Q3 of 'twenty three, The Holdings segment reported a loss before income taxes of $28,800,000 mainly related to a negative Net change in fair value of investments of $25,700,000 The fair value change included the unrealized fair value loss of $36,200,000 on the company's investment in TradeX. Selling, general and admin expenses amounted to $7,400,000 up 2 point $1,000,000 versus the quarter in the same period last year. Speaker 200:12:04The increase was primarily due to legal and advisory related fees associated with the response to shareholder activism. And with that, let me turn it back over to Phil to wrap up with a few concluding remarks. Phil? Thanks, Steve. I would like to take a moment to address the takeover bid for our company and the related activist activity. Speaker 200:12:24I know that many shareholders are concerned about the impact it may have on our business, our share price and our ability to continue to generate shareholder value. As you know, we have been approached with a hostile takeover offer from Mythic. In response, our Board, backed by the recommendations of an independent special committee, has unanimously advised our shareholders to reject this highly conditional, unsolicited bid for many reasons outlined in our Director's circular, some of which I will touch on here. Let me put this into context. Aimia has been on an upward trajectory, successfully generating over $750,000,000 from liquidity events since 2020 and redeploying nearly $700,000,000 of that through strategic acquisitions. Speaker 200:13:05We are clearly poised for growth and are committed to enhancing shareholder value, a commitment that would be derailed and compromised by Mythic's self interested takeover bid. The fact that it's offered not only undervalues Aimia significantly, but their approach also contradicts the investment strategy we have established. They offer no credible investment strategy of their own, nor do they have any discernible investment track record. They do not have not put forward a management team or proposed any board members. There have been a distraction that would deny you, our shareholders, the full benefit of your investment at the precise time it is beginning to bear fruit. Speaker 200:13:40Aimia's stock performance, which has been depressed and undermined by Mythic's tactics, does not reflect the company's true value or potential. We've been clear about this in our Director's circular and encourage all shareholders to review it thoroughly on our website. We are not standing still in the face of these challenges. We have acquired 3 companies since the beginning of the year and signed an agreement to acquire a 4th with more in progress. We fortified our Board with seasoned leaders like Thomas Fink, our new Chairman, who brings over 30 years of asset management and investment experience and Ioannis Kufoulas, who brings decades of operational experience at Fortune 500 Companies. Speaker 200:14:15Their experience, along with that of our other distinguished board members, is crucial as we navigate through this period and continue to steer Aimia towards its strategic goals. In the face of this adversity, we've also had to expend significant resources to address what we believe are Mythic's unlawful tactics. We're ready to prove these allegations in court come January and fully expect to showcase the facts actions for what they are. Their bid Replete with 20 conditions satisfied at their sole discretion is designed to further their agenda, not Aimia's and not that of our shareholders. Let me be clear, Aimia's value should not be judged by temporary market conditions, but rather on our investment strategy and the strong portfolio we continue to build. Speaker 200:14:58To further validate the quality of these assets, we have welcomed a number of new sophisticated investors who support our vision by successfully raising capital through a private placement, Further strengthening Aimia's position. All that being said, it still doesn't clearly answer the question so many ask me. With all these great things happening, why is the stock so low? For starters, no one likes a messy battle. It needlessly depletes resources, it distracts management, it deters new and existing shareholders from increasing their positions. Speaker 200:15:26It also drives people to the sidelines. I've been told by numerous investors that I'd love to buy X 1,000,000 shares, but I don't want to wake up and find out I'm trapped in a company run by Mythic, So I'll come in when that's resolved. That's the essence of why our stock is where it is. While our strong roster of long term investors has steadfastly supported us throughout this sort of deal, Many are waiting on the sidelines for its resolution. We believe that time is near and are working hard to get there as soon as we can. Speaker 200:15:53And to add insult to injury, We can't buy back our stock as we would normally be aggressively doing because our financing of Cortland was derailed by the same uncertainty. So it's a perfect storm and that equates at least in the short term to a low stock price, but that can change very quickly when the fog is lifted and we expect that it will. We stand firm in our conviction that rejecting Mythic's offer is in the best interest of all shareholders. We are here to build value, not to surrender it, and we will continue to act in the best interest of Aimia and its shareholders. Our Board unanimously recommends that shareholders reject the Hassell offer and not tender their common shares. Speaker 200:16:28You don't have to do anything to reject our offer. You simply do not tender your shares. At this point, we're happy to take questions. Speaker 100:16:36Colin, that concludes today's prepared remarks. Please go ahead and prompt for questions. Operator00:16:41Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll now begin the question and and The question and answer Your first question comes from Brian Morrison from TD Securities. Brian, please go ahead. Speaker 500:17:11Yes. Good morning, guys. First question on Cortland. It sounds like perhaps the incumbent business Pre Cortland, it's running a little bit below expectations. I think you said maybe it was macro or maybe there's some internal issues going on there. Speaker 500:17:26But maybe just comment upon that And what gives you confidence that your guidance that you gave back at the Investor Day for 2024, 2025 still holds? Speaker 400:17:36Hi, Brian, Steve Leonard. Yes, we acquired Cortland when we announced the transaction. Their margin was around 10% Compared to the tough ropes business that we had been guiding around 2018, we With any business, the Q1 of integration and we didn't have a full quarter there. There are some lumps in the quarter, but we're still holding to Guidance that we gave relative to the 2 businesses at Investor Day, We had a strong overall, the volumes at the tough ropes business were 10.5 metric tonnes, which is in line with the volume that we expected to sell over a full year basis. So overall, it was a solid quarter for the combined business. Speaker 300:18:26Okay. Hey, Brian, it's Mike Lehmann. Just to add to that, some of the just the global geo Political headwinds that we're seeing in the U. S. Throughout Europe, throughout Asia are hitting tough ropes a little bit. Speaker 300:18:44There are some degrees of a lack of confidence in 2024 and potential Recessionary environment, even if it's a soft landing like environment, which are causing people to order just a few percent less Than we would have typically expected. So that's what we're really referring to when we talk about some minor headwinds. Speaker 500:19:10Okay. Thank you. When I look at the progression of funding, do you require I'm specifically talking about Cortland. Do you require resolution upon the litigation? Or are you able to potentially proceed with your recent financing? Speaker 500:19:23Are you able to potentially proceed with funding of that? And then You mentioned an acquisition forthcoming. Can you give us maybe not details, but size of magnitude and how that would be funded? Would it be by the hold COBRA or would it be at the operating level? Speaker 200:19:37Hey, Brian. Hey, it's Phil. So I think, yes, first of all, with regard to your second question, the new acquisition is roughly twice the size of Cortland, and it's with much higher margins. So that's the kind of target we're Target size we're looking at is the next acquisition. In terms of the funding of Cortland, I think lenders want to know who they're lending to. Speaker 200:20:00And I think that while when the financing originally fell apart, it was there really wasn't much hope. It looked kind of like an untenable situation. It was very messy. And I think the smoke is starting to clear a little bit. So we're trying to revisit that and We're going to re approach lenders. Speaker 200:20:16So we don't have an answer yet except to say that the smoke is starting to clear a little bit. I think people are getting more confident, especially with this new investor base and our new board members that we will succeed in maintaining control. And so that would give comfort to some lenders. So So we're optimistic, but we don't have anything in hand yet. Speaker 500:20:34Okay. And sorry, the acquisition that you just commented, twice the size of Cortland, how would that be funded? Speaker 200:20:41Well, again, it's kind of it's all tied together. We would be pursuing lenders, and we would expect that, that would be part of a lending package. So Stay tuned on that. Also, we just raised a significant amount of capital. And so we would it's a balancing act, but hopefully it could be part of a larger funding. Speaker 400:20:59Okay. And the plan is to fund it out of the at the subsidiary level. I think that was another one of your questions. Speaker 500:21:06Yes, that's where I was going with it. Okay. And then Phil, just last one on cognitive here. It sounds like you're making progression on your non core assets, maybe where that process stands. I know that you had mentioned that you're entertaining some phone calls. Speaker 500:21:19Just an update on the process at Cognitive. Speaker 200:21:22Yes. Cognitive has gotten pretty exciting. So, first of all, they're completing an equity raise at a very strong valuation. We can't disclose it, but I think you'd be very happy with it. Those incoming calls have evolved into some pretty serious discussions. Speaker 200:21:41So there's more than one Opportunity on the table that could create a liquidity event for Cognitive. So it's become an exciting story. It's becoming a Rather than a survival story, it's becoming a growth story now and an exciting one. So stay tuned, but I think things are heating up there and it's And we hopefully will have some news maybe in the next quarter. Speaker 500:22:05All right. That's all for me. Thank you. Speaker 200:22:08Thank you, Brian. Speaker 100:22:09Thanks, Brian. Before we continue to have the questions, I'll be addressing some questions that we received from investors by email. So the first question is, what more can you tell us about the new investors who participated in the private placement? Well, this is I'll Speaker 200:22:24tell you that you've seen 2 of them. You've seen Thomas and Janus, who are fantastic additions to our Board. And I would say, I think it's a really big and important testament to Aimia's value in our strategy that these people have come in into such a situation. I mean, usually, you're in the middle of an ugly battle with an activist. People stay on the sidelines. Speaker 200:22:47These people dove in head first and bought a significant amount of stock and obviously joined the Board and our investor roster. And while I can't Identify the list of investors. I will tell you that it is the most incredible group of investors I've ever seen assembled in an investor round. So I think that they're not only do they provide cash, they provide a lot more than cash for Aimia. And we're going to get a lot of benefit from their participation. Speaker 200:23:12So I think we're very, very happy with that strategic group of investors and I think it'll be a tremendous long term benefit for Aimia. Thanks, Phil. Speaker 100:23:23A second question we got is, are you expecting any upside on the existing Starchem business that is generating $48,000,000 in sales and 12% EBITDA margins? Or is the rationale primarily about bringing PIZZETTA product to new markets? We see Speaker 200:23:35a lot of upside in both of those aspects of the acquisition. I think We timed this acquisition very well. There's just because of the macroeconomic situation in textiles, we saw that Their sales and EBITDA down dramatically right before we made this acquisition. So we see a lot of upside in the company's EBITDA. We see a lot of opportunity in terms of synergies, but most importantly, we see tremendous upside in this company's ability to distribute and produce Pizetto's products to a very large new market that Pizetto previously had never been able to sell into. Speaker 200:24:12So it's a very exciting acquisition. It's transformational And we're very excited about it. Speaker 300:24:18If I could just add on. So the chemical as Phil said, the chemical solutions within Vazeto They're currently manufacturing and distributing all across Europe and Asia. They're also in great demand in other geographies and they just haven't Distributed into those geographies because they didn't have a manufacturing base. We now do have the manufacturing base. So the Americas platform is the next phase of growth within Bozzetto. Speaker 300:24:43The company has been a very significant player supporting the textile industry within the ESG focused specialty chemical solutions sector and this is going to be a primary initial focus at Startcam, but we see numerous opportunities to expand into adjacent sectors Within both dispersion as well as water solutions into subcategories like personal care, consumer products, very, very, very large sectors within North America that to date use products that we manufacture, but they just don't use Bozzetto's Because of the manufacturing geography. So that's going to open up a whole new world for us. Speaker 100:25:27Thanks, Michael. Another question that just came in. Can you comment on the change of management at Cortland? Speaker 200:25:32Sure. This was always planned. We had our previous CEO had been interim, our CFO had been interim, and we've been looking for a new management team since we started pursuing the acquisition. And when we found Cortland, Cortland came with some really strong management. And so we're very happy to tap into that. Speaker 200:25:52And We had found Brian through research and then we found Stuart through obviously our transaction with Cortland. So that was a natural progression. It was something we were always planning on and we're very happy with the way it worked out. Thanks, Sal. Speaker 100:26:09Colin, are there any other questions? Operator00:26:12Yes, we have a question from Sebastian Vargas from Jefferies. Sebastian, please go ahead. Speaker 600:26:22This is Surinder. Just following up on the Cortland, Can you talk a little bit about just kind of the integration process at this point? At what point would you see What I would call kind of a more integrated one sales force approach. And just any commentary on longer term revenue synergies here? Speaker 400:26:46Yes, I'd say and I'll let my colleagues add as well, Steve. So we acquired them on Mid July, we've made the management changes. There's been structural changes within the team in terms of The organization and especially on the go to market strategy as well as the rebranding, you'll see that we've We branded the entire business. So we're expecting Surinder to start seeing some of that Going into the Q4, but more in 'twenty four, I would expect to see substantial traction On the sales side. And some examples, so Cortland Industrial, The company that we acquired was a highly engineered business dealing with very sophisticated Buyers. Speaker 400:27:43And they also purchased, let's call it more Lower end value ropes and tethers and these things, but they were purchasing them from other suppliers in Asia, So there's a synergy there because now the combined business can offer those products to that market, Those customers of Cortland Industrial. And then likewise on the tough rope side, there was a distribution network, export network, Where again, a lot of those customers were buying what Cortland provides, which is very good high quality, but they weren't necessarily buying The more sophisticated products that are laying that are required for Specific applications, heavy loads, etcetera. So those are the things we're seeing as well as production. The other element is production. So we mentioned When we acquired Tuff Ropes that there's a capacity available with our plants in India, and we're looking to utilize the excess available Speaker 200:28:55Hey, Surinder, it's Phil. How are you? So, also, I think I would say at the top of the list of the new management team's To do list has been recruiting and enhancing the sales force and targeting the highest margin areas. So we're in the process of Prioritizing and focusing their sales efforts where it really matters and getting I think Stuart's background comes from sales. And so That's a major focus is getting both the product portfolios and catalogs cross sold, but also sold into New markets together. Speaker 200:29:31So that's a big focal point for 2024. Speaker 600:29:35Got it. And then maybe turning to Bozzetta here And the Starchem acquisition, just any comment on the Starchem margins, which are a bit below the Pizzeto Margins and just kind of how you think about this longer term as you think about integrating and all of that other kind of stuff? Speaker 300:29:57So it's Mike. Hi, Surinder. So yes, the EBITDA margins are currently about 12% versus kind of 3 to 500 basis points above that for Bezetto, which is typical. There are a few things there. The chemical solutions that Bozzetto makes are higher margin and greatly in demand products. Speaker 300:30:25So we are going to as we shift that product line, let's just call it For separation, for discussion purposes, that is immediately going to add to the EBITDA margin just through The combination of higher margin products going through. Historically, Bozzetto has been more efficient in their ability to procure product going into their specialty solutions. So We feel that even just separate from mix shift within Starchem, we'll be able to increase the EBITDA margins across the board. In addition, as I mentioned, there are numerous opportunities to expand into adjacent sectors Within Honduras and Central and South America, it's a huge manufacturing base for textiles, t shirts and the like. We also through Bezzetto have the ability to manufacture goods that go into other products other than textile. Speaker 300:31:34So what we're planning on doing is expanding the manufacturing base down there and using that manufacturing base as a platform is a jumping off a springboard, if you would, to get those chemicals into North America, into other things like personal care, like consumer products, into other adjacencies that are very large and have the capability to make this much more than a textile oriented Company, STAR CHEM, and has the ability to be much more well rounded and be able to serve many other sectors than what they produce now, which is primarily the textile industry. Speaker 600:32:19That's helpful. And then just maybe another quick one here. Just on Clear Media, I guess how patient are you willing to be in terms of just kind of waiting out the situation and the turnaround in that business? Or is there potentially an exit strategy where maybe that capital could be better allocated elsewhere in the near term if you were able to monetize whenever you can. Speaker 200:32:45Yes. I mean, I think we've been patient for the right reasons. I mean, the delays in the company's execution of their plan have been no fault of their own. As you know, it's been 0 COVID, surviving for 2 years of 0 COVID is somewhat miraculous that they did this without damaging the equity value of the company and they've managed To fine tune the model and to shed bad leases, etcetera. So we definitely do not want to exit this For harvesting that, all that patience has been expended and now we're now at a position where we can see this thing really grow It'd be turbocharged into any type of economic recovery. Speaker 200:33:22So it's hard to predict macroeconomic trends and when a company is going to recover, but I would not bet against this group. We've got J. C. Decode, a leader in the business, raring to go and aggressively wants to support and pursue the strategy here. So I think we're going to remain patient and we're going to hold this to some type of monetization event. Speaker 200:33:47We definitely don't want to miss out on what's to come because having waited this long, it's not the time to abandon ship. It's the time To be optimistic and hope that recovery is coming and that we're going to reap the fruits of that waiting and this amazing partnership group behind it. So we'll remain patient. Speaker 400:34:14There are no Operator00:34:14further questions at this time. I'll turn it back to Albert for closing remarks. Speaker 100:34:20Well, thank you very much. I would likeRead morePowered by