Axcelis Technologies Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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Key Takeaways

  • Q3 revenue of $292.3 million and EPS of $1.99 exceeded guidance, with full-year revenue expected above $1.1 billion (≈20% y/y growth) despite a 20–30% WFE decline.
  • Power market strength drove over 60% of Q3 systems shipments (≈35% of system revenue from silicon carbide), with multiple 150 mm and 200 mm Purion evaluations underway and an even revenue split across the full Purion Power Series.
  • Backlog remained robust at $1.2 billion and the book-to-bill ratio was 0.83, reflecting increased shipments and continued healthy power bookings amid mature-market softness.
  • Gross margin finished Q3 at 44.4% (above guidance) and is forecast at ≈45% in Q4, with initiatives to lower COGS and optimize mix driving a 45% margin target in the $1.3 billion revenue model.
  • Investments in operations—such as a new logistics center in Beverly and the Asia Operations Center in South Korea—support capacity for future growth, while $461 million in cash and $170 million returned via buybacks underpin financial flexibility.
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Earnings Conference Call
Axcelis Technologies Q3 2023
00:00 / 00:00

There are 11 speakers on the call.

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Axcelis Technologies Call to discuss the Company's Results for the Third Quarter. My name is Corey, and I'll be your coordinator today. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer Please be advised that today's conference call is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference call over to your host for today's Call Doug Lawson, Executive Vice President of Corporate Marketing and Strategy.

Speaker 1

Thank you, operator. This is Doug Lawson, Executive Vice President of Corporate Marketing and Strategy. And with me today is Russell Lowe, President and CEO and Jamie Coogan, Executive Vice President and CFO. If you have not seen a copy of our press release issued yesterday, It is available on our website. Playback service will also be available on our website as described in our press release.

Speaker 1

Please note that comments made today about our expectations for future revenues, profits and other results are forward looking statements under the SEC's Safe Harbor These forward looking statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to the risks inherent in our business. These risks are described in detail in our Form 10 ks Annual Report and other SEC filings, which we urge you to review. Our actual results may differ materially from our current expectations. We do not assume any obligation to update these forward looking statements. Now I'll turn the call over to President and CEO, Russell Well.

Speaker 2

Good morning. Thank you for joining us for our 3rd Quarter 2023 earnings call. TETRIS continued to execute at a high level in the 3rd quarter driven by strength in the power market. 3rd quarter revenue and EPS exceeded guidance of $292,300,000 with earnings per share of $1.99 We are guiding 4th quarter revenue at approximately $295,000,000 with gross margin of approximately 45%, Operating profit approximately $73,000,000 and earnings per share of approximately $2 2023 annual revenue is expected to be greater than $1,100,000,000 representing year over year revenue growth of around 20% In a year in which overall WFE is expected to decrease by 20% to 30%. Backlog remains strong at $1,200,000,000 With quarterly systems bookings increasing slightly to $198,000,000 the book to bill ratio was 0.83, primarily due to increased shipments in the quarter.

Speaker 2

The power market continues to be an area of strength for Axcelis, representing more than 60% of our system shipments for the 3rd consecutive quarter. The overall mature process technology market Generated 99% of the quarter's systems shipments with just 1% going to memory customers composed entirely of DRAM. The geographic mix of our system shipments in the 3rd quarter was much more balanced with the combined U. S. And Europe representing 38%, China at 35%, Korea 12%, Taiwan 4%, Japan 3% and the rest of the world at 8%.

Speaker 2

The Powered Advice segment and in particular Silicon Carbide has driven our growth during this downturn. We continue to win business from new customers and expand our product footprint with existing customers. We expect greater than 60% of our ship System revenue in 2023 to come from power with around 35% of total system revenue coming from power line applications. The full Purin Power series product portfolio is important to our customers and we continue to see increased adoption of Purin 200 silicon carbide and Pure and XE silicon carbide systems. In Q3, we shipped a 200 millimeter Pure and EXE silicon carbide system to a leading Japanese power device manufacturer.

Speaker 2

We also have 3 Pure H200 Silicon Carbide System evaluations underway with customers in multiple geographies. 2 of these systems are 150 millimeters and 1 is a 200 millimeter system. These evaluation use give our customers a head start qualifying productivity limiting recipes as they ramp to higher volumes. It also enables the customer to conduct optimization work on their devices, utilizing the high energy and dose capabilities of the Purin H200 Silicon Carbide System. The importance of the 3 inflator types in silicon carbide is Highlighted by the relatively even revenue split across the full Purim Power Series product family in 2023.

Speaker 2

Exelis is the only ion implantation company that can deliver complete respiratory coverage for all power device applications. We are considered the technology leader and the supplier of choice providing the best product family and manufacturing capabilities. This means that using Axcelis tools provides the lowest risk path to high volume manufacturing required to support aggressive fab ramp plans. Axcelis places significant value on enabling our customers to succeed in this exciting market By providing differential product performance and a high level of customer satisfaction, Axcelis has a large number of customers in the power market, She's currently expected to remain healthy in 2024. This will provide good support for Axcelis even as the industry downturn continues And now includes increased softness in the general mature markets.

Speaker 2

While our customers are managing through this downturn, Axcelis remains close to them, supporting their installed base and working with them on the future technology and manufacturing needs. Recently, we shipped a Purion Dragon to a leading research institute, focused on advanced logic process development. This tool and the associated collaboration will be critical to our advanced logic customers development for next generation technology. Additionally, we have multiple evaluation systems and many customer engagements designed to increase our footprint across all segments. As the industry exits this downturn, Axcelis will return to healthy growth in these markets.

Speaker 2

This combined with continued strength in the Power segment will drive TELUS to our $1,300,000,000 model and beyond. Now I'd like to turn it over to Jamie.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Russell, and good morning, everyone. Before turning to the results for the quarter, I want to say that I'm excited to be joining the Axcelis team. Over the past few years, this team has worked diligently developing cutting edge ion implant products, establishing a strong product position in the power device market And creating a rare opportunity to grow revenue and profitability during a significant industry downturn through strong execution. I look forward to adding my experience to this team and meeting many of you at our future investor events. Now turning to the quarter.

Speaker 3

We are pleased with our financial results for the period and as we look to the full year, we are reiterating our full year revenue expectations of greater than $1,100,000,000 which represents year over year growth of approximately 20%. Looking at our Q3, revenue and earnings per share finished well above guidance due to solid execution and continued strong demand for Purion, especially in the silicon carbide power market. Q3 revenue was $292,300,000 With system revenue at $231,500,000 and CS and I revenue at $60,900,000 Q3 earnings per share of $1.99 was well above guidance due to higher than expected revenues in gross margin as well as lower overall operating expenses. Despite some of the softness in the general mature market, Bookings and quoting activity for systems in the Power segment remains solid and continue to support our expectation That greater than 60% of Shift Systems revenue will come from this market in 2023. CS and I revenue will fluctuate quarter to quarter, which should be modeled at approximately $245,000,000 for 2023 $300,000,000 for our $1,300,000,000 revenue model.

Speaker 3

Q3 gross margin finished at 44.4% above guidance driven by lower costs and deferrals and benefiting from a slightly improved mix. We expect our gross margin to come in higher At approximately 45%. Full year 2023 gross margin will be approximately 43.6%. We remain laser focused on margin improvement and have a number of initiatives underway to lower cost of goods sold and drive higher sales of Purion product expansions. Execution on these initiatives allows us to model gross margin at approximately 45% in our $1,300,000,000 revenue model.

Speaker 3

Turning to operating expenses. The 3rd quarter ended at 19.8% of revenue better than our guidance. We expect OpEx in the 4th quarter to remain flat as we continue to tightly manage spending. Investments will continue to be an area of focus for us to Sure. We are supporting business growth, solidifying our technology advantage in the specialty markets and increasing our footprint in the in the memory and advanced logic markets.

Speaker 3

Most importantly, we will continue to invest in our employees and infrastructure to ensure we have the necessary skills and equipment required to achieve our financial models. We recently completed one of our more significant infrastructure investments, Our new state of the art logistics center in Beverly, Mass. The new logistics center located just a short walk from our headquarters We'll be fully functional during the Q4. This facility will provide significant efficiency, improving our material handling and flow to our operations. The Q4 also marks the 2 year anniversary of the opening of the Axcelis Asia Operations Center in South Korea.

Speaker 3

This facility has been critical to our revenue growth and is expected to have shipped over $300,000,000 of systems by year end. We plan to further ramp both our Beverly and Korean operations as capacity needs grow and are comfortable that we have initiatives in place that support Our $1,300,000,000 revenue model. Moving to our balance sheet and cash flow. We end Q3 with $461,000,000 of cash, cash equivalents and short term investments and we generated $24,000,000 of cash from operations in the period. We saw a higher volume of shipments later in the quarter, which increased our outstanding receivables.

Speaker 3

We continue to execute against our previously announced share repurchase program buying back $12,500,000 of stock in the quarter. In total, we've returned over $170,000,000 of cash Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Our next question comes from the line of Alexelle I've been impressed with the team and their dedication to innovation and their drive for improving efficiency and operational performance. These qualities were essential in allowing Axcelis to reach the level of performance we see today.

Speaker 3

Once again, I would like to reiterate my excitement in joining Axcelis and look forward to helping the team take the company to new heights in the future. I will now turn the call back to Russell for his closing comments.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jamie. Axcelis expects to achieve revenue of greater than $1,100,000,000 in 2023 And is targeting revenue of $1,300,000,000 in 2025. This growth is achievable due to the following factors. First, the implant TAM has more than doubled in the last few years and is expected to continue to grow with mature market segments representing greater than 60% of the total TAM. 2nd, power devices, especially silicon carbide devices, are highly implant intensive, And the general mature nodes have increasing implant intensity peaking at 28 nanometers.

Speaker 2

3rd, High value Purium product extensions were designed to optimize power and image sensor device manufacturing, making Exelis the only company The product line capable of covering all implant recipes in these key markets. This uniquely positions Axcelis to benefit from high growth in the And finally, Exelis has strong long term customer relationships and a fundamental cultural desire to win By making our customers successful, I want to thank our employees, suppliers, customers and investors for your continued support. With that, I'd like to open it up for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will conduct a question and answer session. Please standby while we compile the Q and A roster. Our first question comes from Charles Hsieh of Needham and Company. Charles, your line is open.

Speaker 4

Hi, good morning, Russell, and nice to meet you, Jamie. Welcome aboard. Thank you. Hi, thanks. Really want to stop my first question around backlog.

Speaker 4

Well, I mean, the backlog It's only good if you can ship them. But how confident is management at this point to Shipbuilding's backlog on time. And how much risk do you see there in terms of potential push outs, Given the fact that one of the leading silicon carbide player placing that in the West seems to suggest that their CapEx Or maybe capital intensity is trending lower than they previously expected in 2020? Thanks.

Speaker 1

Hey Charles, thanks for the question. This is Doug. Let me start sort of on the back end of your question relative to the silicon carbide Question. Our business in silicon carbide is global and with a very large and diverse customer base. And so we see we continue to see good bookings, solid quote activity in that area globally.

Speaker 1

And so I think looking at just one customer within that is not the right way to look at Exelis' backlog within silicon carbide or in general. As far as backlog goes, It continues to be strong. I'll let Russell comment on the front end of your question.

Speaker 2

Yes. Hey, Charles. So the backlog, I think, currently sits at $1,200,000,000 As we've kind of noted, there are So some weaknesses in the business in around memory and image sensors, and we've talked a little bit about softening of GenaMature. As Doug mentioned, when it comes to kind of when it comes to backlog, bookings and quotes request for quotes, The power market is still strong for us, which is kind of why we've been able to say, reiterate a greater than $1,100,000,000 revenue For 2023, and we expect this the strength in Power to continue into 2024. And So a lot of the backlog is in PowerUp.

Speaker 4

Thanks for the color. Maybe the second question About the China exposure, it seems like at least from shipment standpoint, your China exposure in Q3 Seems to be down sequentially from Q2 level. It seems to be the reverse trend of several of your Semi cap peers that who are so actually saw a big massive hiccup of the China revenue into Q3 And potentially into Q4, just really wonder, is the relative I mean lower exposure of China you saw in Q3, is that temporary or you see this is probably going to be more dominated

Speaker 2

Right. So I think what's typically said is Between 30% to 50% in any given quarter. And as you note, it's kind of in the 30s for this quarter. I think China is still always going to be a growing area for us, but I think we benefited also from other areas coming online. So like Doug said, power is definitely a global phenomenon and we saw a good progress in Europe and U.

Speaker 2

S. And we've also seen it in other regions around the world. So I'd say that we continue to see strength in China. We'll continue to find that as a very good opportunity for us given Our focus on mature markets, but we are also seeing a lot of strength globally, particularly in power.

Speaker 4

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from David Duley of Steelhead Securities. David, your line is open.

Speaker 5

Yes. Thanks for taking my question. Russell, you mentioned that you've seen some weakness in the 2nd tier foundry and logic business. Could you just talk about which Geographic regions that's coming from or applications?

Speaker 2

So I guess, by 2nd tier foundry logic, you kind of talk about The mature foundry, the kind of the typically the non FinFET stuff, right? Yes. So I think, yes, So the foundries that are more related to consumer spending have been soft for a little while. We're now seeing a little bit of softening in Industry, and I think you probably saw the note by 1 foundry this morning about softening in Power, that actually doesn't we don't seem to see the softening in power across the board, but I think Industrial has started to soften along with consumer, which was already there.

Speaker 5

Okay. And then a follow-up on gross margins. I think your gross margin target for Q4 is essentially your target for the $1,300,000,000 model. So maybe help us understand how gross margins might progress next year if revenue grows or how we should be thinking about gross margins going forward?

Speaker 3

Yes. So as we think about margin, obviously mix is going to be an important part in that process as the So the mix between systems and CS and I revenue on a forward basis and as you know, utilization, fab utilization is going to be the primary driver of the CS revenue on a forward looking basis. The teams are right now in the process of working through our 2024 model specifically, But we do expect to maintain strong gross margins going into next year.

Speaker 5

Okay. Final one for me is, You clearly outperformed this year, as you mentioned, WFE being down 20%. You guys are up 20%. If the market is flat to up next year, do you think you continue to outperform?

Speaker 1

Yes, Dave, this is Doug. At this point, We're not providing any guidance for 2024. We see the 1.3 model coming in for 2025. We continue to see good bookings and good quote activity. And so we're optimistic on 2024, But we're not ready to give any specific guidance.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next caller. Our next question comes from Craig Ellis of B. Riley Securities. Craig, your line is open.

Speaker 7

Yes. Thanks for taking the question and congratulations on the Q3. Jamie, welcome aboard. I look forward to working with you. The first thing I want to do is follow-up on one of Charles' inquiries.

Speaker 7

I was hoping that As you provided some color on just quoting activity broadly and orders, if you could just focus on What you've seen 4th quarter to date and clarify if 4th quarter to date, so over the last month, Things have been broadly steady, broadly strong with limited signs of weakness.

Speaker 1

Yes, Craig. We don't break out the quote activity or the bookings for a given quarter. But Yes, I think we're seeing continued good strength in power and silicon carbide. Like everyone else in the industry, there's We're seeing some of the softening as Russell mentioned in some of the mature markets moving a little bit beyond just consumer. So I think our quote activity and our bookings reflect the general market behavior.

Speaker 7

Got it. And then Doug, just to follow-up with the team on some of the longer term issues, nice to get the Finer point on calendar 2025's potential with the target model. I know you're not providing guidance for calendar 2024, but I was hoping you could frame up Some of the gives and takes that you see as you look at calendar 2024 specifically, for example, Would you expect that DRAM could get materially better, same with CIS? And what are some of the gives and takes within Mature foundry broadly outside of CIS.

Speaker 1

Yes. So I think the mature foundry market, which As we all know, has never suffered a downturn because it didn't exist until a few years ago. So everyone's starting to try to figure out exactly how it cycles. And It appears probably tied very much to more economic factors and so forth. So I think as we go into 2024, a lot It's going to depend on what the economy is doing and so forth relative to that, which will drive consumer spending, drive the industrial back and drive General automotive, not just the power piece.

Speaker 1

And so that's how we think the market is going to behave. As far as the specific segments, image sensors are very much driven by phones. And so we'll see how this cycle of phones look For Axcelis and for Ion implant, the other factor that drives it is the next generation of technology, which drives Our products like our VXE and our Purion XE Max. And then The other factor relative to memory or the rest of your question on memory, at this point, We haven't really changed our position. We see the second half of next year, the beginning of DRAM coming back in 2025 To be a strong DRAM year, NAND probably is still slow until 2025.

Speaker 1

And the drivers on DRAM near term, there's some China activity and then there's the HBM and some other technology things. Those are going to utilize those are going to use up capacity and improve utilization in fats and that ultimately will lead to CapEx focus on implant.

Speaker 7

That's helpful. Thanks, Doug. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you. Our next call comes from Mark Miller of The Benchmark Company. Mark, your line is open.

Speaker 8

Congratulations on the strong quarter. I was just wondering, certainly EV has been a major driver, but do you see any momentum related to AI?

Speaker 1

Yes. I think AI is going to drive a bunch of things, Mark. AI, 1st and foremost is driving advanced logic, right? And that was really highlighted by what AMD said the other day and what NVIDIA has been saying. Second thing is that it's driving the advanced packaging for the HBM Technology, ultimately AI will drive big piece of the market, right.

Speaker 1

It's dependent on data, Which it gets from IoT devices as well as every other feed that it can get. It will drive Big amounts of DRAM even beyond HBM in the servers and then lots and lots of storage in the form of NAND. It is a very important long term driver over the next many years.

Speaker 8

You mentioned DRAM possibly coming back before For NAND, I just was wondering, I think the estimates are that for an AI server there's 6 times more DRAM. Is that one of the drivers or So one of the factors and your thoughts about DRAM coming back somewhat sooner?

Speaker 1

Yes, I think that is definitely one. HBM, which is An advanced packaging use of DRAM where it's packaged directly on the GPU, That will help and then in general the general server DRAM. The other thing You know that we'll drive DRAM back will be consumer coming back, PC refresh cycles, if there's a good phone cycle, All of those things will help drive the DRAM market back.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks Mark.

Operator

One moment for our next Question comes from Jed Dorsheimer of William Blair. Jed, your line is open.

Speaker 9

Hey, thanks and congratulations and Jamie, look forward to working with you too. Yes, same here, Jeff. First question on silicon carbide. What percentage of the quoting activity is on 200 millimeter versus 150, I'm assuming most is on 150, but just curious on that, how that's picked up on 200?

Speaker 1

Yes, Jed. So we don't break out the specifics. Our customers frown on us giving those kind of details. But in general, the market is pushing sort of production level at 150 with many lines, Pilot lines at 200 with a plan to ramp those as the materials are available and On recent calls of material suppliers, things are looking positive that materials will start to become more available And that will drive our customers towards 200 millimeter for their next fabs or expanding their mini fabs. So we're definitely seeing plenty of 200 millimeter activity, but still the bulk of production is probably on 150.

Speaker 9

Got it. The spirit of my question is, is there anything within your tool design that would cause your up Time on 200 millimeter to be lower than that of 150. And I'm asking is, it has recently come up with You know about it, uptime issues and I'm just curious, what the difference may be and whether or not that's a competitive advantage as

Speaker 2

Hey Jed, it's Russell. So I would say I don't think there's a significant difference between $150,200,000 or $203,000,000 We do have significant competitive advantages in our product from the iron source technology to the wafer handling. As you know, these are brittle wafers, they're Transparent, they bow very easily. But I don't think there's any fundamental reason why A150 and 200 tool Would be different in reliability, and that's not what we see with our toolset.

Speaker 9

Got it. Thanks. That's helpful.

Speaker 4

And one last question, Jamie. Just Last

Speaker 9

quarter, the commentary, I think, around book to bill being under 1 was that it's an anomaly, but we have 2 quarters with the book to bill under One, so I'm just is there expectation that this bounces back above one as we look into next quarter? Or do you think we're kind of at this Level for a little bit. How should we be thinking about the book to bill?

Speaker 3

Yes, Jed, I think that's a good question. I know in the Q3 here, we did have some shipments in The September timeframe here that sort of helped to drive that book to bill a little bit below 1 from what we were otherwise expecting as we did over perform relative to expectations for the Q3. Given that I'm still coming on board, I might pass the rest of the question off to Doug here to respond.

Speaker 1

So Jed, I think that's one of the big reasons is that extra shipments at the end as was mentioned earlier. CS and I is off a little bit as a result of fab utilization. So that Combination allowed us to keep the revenues where they are and but it did affect the book to bill. I think the other thing to be thinking about is the fact the industry is still in a pretty big downturn. And we've had some book to bills We're unrealistically high probably in terms of a few quarters.

Speaker 1

So I think it's kind of a balance. We are working off a pretty big backlog as well and that's continued to stay relatively flat.

Speaker 9

Great. I'll jump back in queue. Thanks guys.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Tom Diffely of D. A. Davidson the company. Tom, your line is open.

Speaker 10

Yes, good morning. Thank you for the opportunity to ask a question here. I would like to follow-up a bit on Jud's question about the 1 5,200. For you, is it the same tool, same tool, same margin structure when you look at the 2 different wafer sizes?

Speaker 2

So for us, so we can either ship it at 150 or 200. We also have an upgrade kit But you can ship to the field and you can do this upgrade in the field. It doesn't take very long to do that change.

Speaker 10

Okay.

Speaker 1

That ends up being a good thing, Tom, for us with Sort of following on to one of the questions that Jed asked relative to 150 versus 200 fab adoption, Companies are our customers are ramping their 150 as they begin to put 200 millimeter capacity online. At some point, they'll go back and they'll upgrade their 150 tools to 200, and that'll generate significant CS and I upgrade revenue for us.

Speaker 2

Exactly.

Speaker 10

Okay. But how do you look at that as far as the upgrades, add a lot of capacity to the industry And obviously take away some of the new system demand as well. But in general, would you consider that a net positive or a net negative?

Speaker 1

Well, it will end up I think it will end up being a positive actually. The upgrades Our good margin for Axcelis, they're of great benefit for the customer, allows them to get their 200 millimeter Fab up and running and then go back and be able to take down their 150 fabs and retrofit With tools that they have, buy whatever else is needed to support the technology that might go in to the 200 millimeter version of that fab. And so in general, it will be a positive for Otellus.

Speaker 10

Okay. And maybe just a couple more quick questions on the silicon carbide stuff. So where is the industry right now as far as the transition from silicon to silicon carbide power for EVs?

Speaker 1

Well, that's probably a better question for some of the automakers. But the way we're seeing it In terms of tool buying behavior, it's a mix. We see this year 60% of our revenue around 60% of our systems revenue is coming from power as a whole. 35% of our total systems revenue is coming from silicon carbide. So silicon carbide is outstripping silicon in terms of implant tools by quite a bit.

Speaker 1

But there's a place for both technologies and I think we'll see the auto makers Settle in on where silicon carbide makes the most sense, where silicon makes the most sense. And it's going to come down in a lot of cases to a cost and performance Decision that they'll be making on their cars. As the cost of silicon carbide materials come down, the cost of processing come down, the Deals and so forth come up, then there's more incentive to move to silicon carbide and get that performance even on lower cost cars. But today probably some of the lower cost cars and plug in hybrids and so forth are more likely to be using silicon for its cost reasons.

Speaker 10

Okay. And then just taking it one step further, when do you think we'll start to see the 2nd and third generation silicon carbide chips that are a little bit more Are implants intensive?

Speaker 1

Well, I think we're probably starting to see some of them. And I think that's I think that's there's actually a pretty important tie between your two questions. Even if people perceive Continuing to work on getting the cost down, the performance up, moving to that next generation that allows the automakers to be able to make The car is at a lower cost or higher performance, longer time between charges and so forth. And so, I think we'll continue to see The technology growth relative to that, same thing with the 200 millimeter migration, that's an important element to getting the cost down.

Speaker 2

Yes, Tom, just to kind of add to that. So as we talked about, there's a transition from 150 to 200. There is also a transition Going from say, Planar to Trench. And you'll see that this year, as people have gone from kind of like pilot lines up into high volume, We're seeing that all of the Purion Power product portfolio is being ordered in pretty much equal revenue. So we've got the Puritan M, the Puritan XE and the Puritan H200, and they're basically equal this year.

Speaker 2

So you are And clearly, the Pure XE is very much needed for the trench applications, which should be kind of more advanced devices.

Speaker 10

Great. Well, thank you for your time this morning.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Tom.

Operator

Thank you very much. One moment for our next caller. Our next question comes from Duxin Zhang of Bank of America Securities. Your line is open.

Speaker 6

Good morning. Thank you for taking the question. So I want to go back to the silicon carbide business. I understand it's well diversified, It's got a global customer base. You have strong backlogs, but EV weaknesses have been pretty well known.

Speaker 6

So I'm wondering if you're seeing any signs of stabilizing demand here. And how do we know if these backlogs are not part of a potential double ordering? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Okay. So I think if we look at Our demands relative to silicon carbide and silicon in the power side, As I said before, it continues to grow. Our customer base needs to continue to innovate to enable the automakers to be able To do the EV programs they want to do, while there's been some delays, especially in the U. S, it's well publicized. That's not all that's not necessarily the case globally.

Speaker 1

And so we see still quite a bit of activity in China even though Some of the percentage growth rate may have slowed. It's still very high. And the car companies there are continuing to innovate even with New battery technology. So we expect Exim to see continued growth relative to that device market As customers continue to innovate and get the cost down. So anyway, that's how we see it.

Speaker 6

Got it. And then a follow-up to an earlier DRAM question. A lot of your WFE peers have had incremental shipments to China this quarter. They've also seen kind of broader strength in URM overall. So I just want to understand why there's a difference between their business and Axcelis.

Speaker 6

Do you not have any exposure to these customers at all?

Speaker 1

Yes. So in the case of this quarter that's very much tied to a specific customer That we do have less exposure to. We do see future opportunities For DRAM in China and then we see growth in the more traditional DRAM base as we get into next year. So that is a difference between some of our peers. They have less exposure to silicon carbide and That's pushed our exposure or our China business up to 35%.

Speaker 1

The mature markets where we're all we all participate, those have been down a little bit for the general mature And that's brought our this quarter's exposure down from a high last year last quarter of 50 down to 35.

Speaker 6

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Next question comes from David Duley of Steelhead Securities. David, your line is open.

Speaker 10

Yes. Just a couple of follow

Speaker 5

ups for me. Could you update us on your progress in the Japanese market and Advanced Foundry and Logic Business. And then also, just could you just talk a little bit about, I think you've mentioned how the cost curve in silicon carbide is coming down. That should drive adoption in other markets. Could you just perhaps give some commentary about What other markets might be starting to adopt silicon carbide?

Speaker 2

Yes. Hi, Dave. It's Russell. So regarding Japan, we're actually quite Pleased with the progress we're making in Japan. So really for us, it's about the power market in Japan and also the image sensor market in Japan, which We have very specialized tools that have huge value that it's a natural place for us to want to go.

Speaker 2

We're getting some traction. So we've just recently shipped an EXE silicon carbide tool into Japan. We've got multiple other power series products going into Japan and we're seeing a lot of demand for those particular power Tools, as I said, because they are highly differentiated and we are definitely seen as a leader of silicon carbide power.

Speaker 1

And as far as the advanced logic market goes Dave, that I guess we would describe that as Similar to Japan, we're patiently working on penetration. In the case of Advanced Logic, The path is through R and D. And so we have Purion Dragon in evaluation, as an evaluation system that's at And Advanced Logic customer, that same customer has Purion Hs in production in Advanced Logic. And then recently we announced Shipment of Purion Dragon revenue tool to an advanced research center that's focused on advanced logic transistor Definition and process technology that feeds all of the customers in this area. So the path into advanced logic He's one of patients and penetration through R and D.

Speaker 1

As far as your silicon carbide question in other markets Beyond automotive, there's lots of opportunity. Silicon carbide represents some significant performance advantages Over silicon in terms of switching speeds, cleanliness of switching, heat dissipation, all of those kinds of things wait. And so, automotive is a volume application and that volume application will bring down the overall cost of materials And ultimately the cost of the components, beyond that market, there's several industrial markets, the data center market, Which ties directly to AI, could be a big beneficiary over time of the clean energy and smart grid. There's a lot of applications there as well as in some communications applications. So the key is getting the cost down.

Speaker 1

And I think that's something that's really important to understand is that we've kind of we're kind of over a little bit of a hill in terms People now have the capacity in place to make the substrates, get the yields up, get the costs down And that will open up the other markets. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I would now like Turn it back to Doug Lawson, who will make a few closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thank you for joining us today. We have a very busy investor calendar in the coming months. We'll be at the D. A. Davidson Tech Summit on November 16th in New York City, the 7th Annual Wells Fargo TMT Summit on November 28th in Los Angeles, The New York City Summit on December 12 and the 7th Annual Needham TMT Summit on January 17 in New York City.

Speaker 1

We hope to see you at one of these events and for you to have the opportunity to meet Jamie in person. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes today's program. You may now disconnect.

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