MBIA Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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November 3, 2023

There are 7 speakers on the call.

Operator

Welcome to the MBIA Inc. Third Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. I would now like to turn the call over to Greg Diamond, Managing Director of Investor and Media Relations at MBIA. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker 1

Very good. Thank you, Todd. Welcome to MBIA's conference call for our Q3 2023 financial results. After the market closed yesterday, we issued and posted several items on our websites, including our financial results, 10 Q, quarterly operating supplement and statutory financial statements for both MBIA Insurance Corporation and National Public Finance Guarantee Corporation. We also posted updates to the listings of our insurance company's insurance portfolios.

Speaker 1

Regarding today's call, please note that anything said on the call is qualified by the information provided in the company's 10 ks, 10 Q and other SEC filings as our company's definitive disclosures are incorporated in those documents. We urge investors to read our 10 ks and 10 Qs as they contain our most current disclosures about the company and its financial and operating results. Those documents also contain information that may not be addressed on today's call. The definitions and reconciliations of the non GAAP terms included in our remarks today are also included in our 10 ks and 10 Qs as well as our financial results report and our quarterly operating supplement. The recorded replay of today's call will become available approximately 2 hours after the end of the call and the information for accessing it is included in last week's press announcement and in the financial results Now for our Safe Harbor.

Speaker 1

Our remarks on today's conference call may to contain forward looking statements. Important factors such as general market conditions and the competitive environment could cause our actual results to differ materially from the projected results referenced in our forward looking statements. Risk factors are detailed in our 10 ks and 10 Qs, which are available on our website at mbia.com. The company cautions not to place undue reliance on any such forward looking statements. The company also undertakes no obligation to publicly correct or update any forward looking statement if it later becomes aware that such statement is no longer accurate.

Speaker 1

For our call today, Bill Fallon and Anthony McKernan will provide introductory comments and then a question and answer session will follow. Now, here is Bill Fallon.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Greg. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for being with us today. We are continuing our efforts to resolve our last material exposure to Puerto Rico, which is the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority or PREPA. Regarding PREPA, at the end of the 3rd quarter, National's remaining exposure to PREPA was $610,000,000 of gross par insured.

Speaker 2

The Puerto Rico Oversight Board Filed an amended plan of adjustment for PREPA in August, which provides substantially less consideration for bondholders than the original plan. The confirmation hearing for this amended plan is scheduled to begin on March 4 next year. In conjunction with the PREPA plan, National entered into an amended plan support agreement providing for a lower potential recovery than previously agreed in January. The terms of the amended PSA contributed to the adverse change in National's loss and loss adjustment expense for the quarter. Regarding National's insured portfolio, those credits other than PREPA have continued to perform generally consistent with our expectations.

Speaker 2

The gross par amount outstanding for National's insured portfolio has declined by approximately $2,600,000,000 from year end 2022 to $29,100,000,000 at the end of the 3rd quarter. National's leverage ratio of gross part of statutory capital at the end of the second quarter Remained unchanged from year end 2022 at 16:1. At the end of the third quarter, National had total claims paying resources of $2,300,000,000 and statutory capital and surplus of $1,800,000,000 Now Anthony will provide additional comments about our financial results.

Speaker 3

Thanks, Bill, and good morning. I will begin with a review of our Q3 2023 GAAP and non GAAP results. The company reported Consolidated GAAP net loss of $185,000,000 or negative $3.94 per share for the Q3 of 2023 compared to a consolidated GAAP net loss of $34,000,000 or negative $0.67 per share for the Q3 ended September 30, 2022. The higher GAAP net loss this quarter was largely driven by loss in LAE expense this quarter at National related to PREPA, reflecting an updated range of recoveries under the amended PSA. The company's adjusted net loss and non GAAP measure was $138,000,000 or a negative $2.92 per diluted share for the Q3 of 2023 compared with an adjusted net loss of $17,000,000 for a negative $0.34 per diluted share for the Q3 of 2022.

Speaker 3

The unfavorable change was primarily due to the higher loss in LAE at National. MBIA Inc. Book value per share decreased to a negative $24.22 per share as of September 30, 2023 versus a negative $16.07 per share as of December 31, 2022, primarily due to the net loss for the year and Q2 2023 share repurchases, partially offset by the release of credit losses recorded to other comprehensive income, driven by derisking activity at MBIA Corp. Included in book value as of September 30, I will now spend a few minutes on the corporate segment balance sheet and our insurance company's statutory results. The corporate segment, which primarily includes the activity of the holding company MBIA Inc.

Speaker 3

Had total assets of approximately $564,000,000 as of September 30, 2023. Within this total are the following material items: Unencumbered cash and liquid assets held by MBIA Inc. Totaled approximately $194,000,000 as of September 30, 2023, In line with last quarter and lower compared with $230,000,000 as of December 31, 2022, Due to $6,000,000 of holding company common share buybacks in Q3, the repurchase of $10,000,000 of 20.24 maturity GFL MTNs at a discount in Q2 and debt service and operating expenses. The Corporate segment's assets also included $249,000,000 of assets at market value pledged to the GICS and the interest rate swaps supporting the legacy GIC operation. Turning to the insurance company's statutory results.

Speaker 3

National reported a statutory net loss of $133,000,000 for the quarter ended on September 30, 2023 versus a statutory net loss of $25,000,000 for the quarter ended September 30, 2022. This unfavorable comparison was primarily due to higher loss in LAE related to PREPA. Statutory capital decreased by $159,000,000 for year end 2022 and was $1,800,000,000 as of ninethirtytwenty twenty three, primarily due to the year to date net loss and National's purchase of MBIA Inc. Shares during the Q2. Claims paying resources were $2,300,000,000 In July, National paid gross claims of $119,000,000 on the PREPA bonds and insurers.

Speaker 3

Turning to MBIA Insurance Corp. Its statutory net loss was $14,000,000 for the Q3 2023 compared to statutory net income of $50,000,000 for the Q3 of 2022. The unfavorable comparison was primarily due to a significantly lower loss and LAE benefit in Q3 2023 related to salvage on Zohar's CLO claims paid and to a lesser extent, higher loss in LAE expense in Q3 2023 on insured RMBS due to higher interest rates and credit losses. As of September 30, 2023, the statutory capital of MBIA Insurance Corp. Was $145,000,000 down from $169,000,000 at year end 2022, primarily due to its year to date net loss.

Speaker 3

Claims paying resources totaled $502,000,000 versus $669,000,000 at year end 2022, due in part to a reduction in gross loss reserves associated with several deal liquidations and the year to date net loss. MBIA Corp. Insured gross par outstanding reduced by approximately $300,000,000 during the quarter and was $2,900,000,000 as to September 30, 2023. And now we will turn the call over to the operator to begin the question and answer session.

Operator

Please pick up your handset to allow optimal sound quality. Our first question will come from Tommy McJoynt with KBW. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one here is a kind of a multi parter around capital and buybacks. So I'll ask it all together. So what is National statutory capacity for buybacks at the current stock price?

Speaker 4

Also what was the regular as of right October dividend out of National to the holding company? And then kind of the third part there is, why did the buybacks this quarter happen out of NBIA Inc. HoldCo rather than National?

Speaker 3

Good morning, Tommy. It's Anthony. Let me start with National's capacity. At the end of the third quarter, National had about $100,000,000 of share repurchase capacity, and the shares at that point, I believe, were about $7.21 So that was the capacity for National. I'm sorry, tell me again your second question.

Speaker 3

The as of right dividend actually doesn't get paid until November, and we would anticipate a $97,000,000 as of right dividend being paid in November. And your third question on Inc. Not National, part of it had to do with timing issues and a plan we had in place at MBIA Inc. That governed our share repurchases at the time. We were governed by the plan because of material non public information when we purchased.

Speaker 3

So we had to go by the plan. So Inc. Who's the purchaser of the shares at that point.

Speaker 4

So that was sort of an anomaly, not something we should think of as Likely to be sustained going forward, buybacks should continue to be done out of National.

Speaker 2

Tommy, it's Bill. Generally, I think that's correct. As you know, we have substantial capital at National, as Andy mentioned, as well as capacity. And we're always looking at how much capital as well as liquidity. And as you know, at the holding company, While there is plenty of liquidity to service its obligations, there's just been much more capacity at NASHIO.

Speaker 4

Okay, thanks. And then my second question on PREPA and the mark you took. So how much of the PREPA related loss in LAE provision this quarter was from So lower recovery dollars expected in the plan and then how much was just more of a time value of money with the extension of that plan's expected settlement date? And then does your scenario analysis that you alluded to give any weight or probability to an extended sort of drawn out legal battle if some of the Opposing bond holders successfully challenged the latest plan of adjustment.

Speaker 3

So let me To answer that in a few ways. One is, the loss for the quarter was primarily due to lower recovery Estimates versus timing. Timing certainly was a factor, but it was driven by the lower recovery levels in the amended PSA versus the prior deal that we were engaged in. So lower recoveries drove that. 2nd, we have factored in the scenarios various downside possibilities, Primarily at this point just dealing with confirmability issues and the legal risks and appeals that are out there today.

Speaker 3

We did factor that into the loss reserves in the quarter, which were additional losses in addition to the absolute lower recoveries that the deal we're in would employ.

Speaker 4

Got it. Thanks. And then just my third question here. Des, since you've started the kind of Strategic alternative review process, and I know that's effectively on pause right now. We have seen a really sharp increase in interest rates.

Speaker 4

Does that at all impact kind of your evaluation of your strategic alternatives, just the higher overall rate environment and potentially the slower runoff of the portfolio that ensues?

Speaker 2

Yes. Two parts to that. So in terms of the slower runoff that you mentioned at the end, refundings, which is Often determined by the interest rate environment have slowed substantially even before the recent increase in interest rates. And just given where our portfolio is in a long period of low interest rates, generally speaking, most of the refundings that we would anticipate Taking place have probably at this point been done. So we see very little in terms of early refundings, and that's been true now for quite a while.

Speaker 2

With regard to the first part, which is around the valuation, Like many other companies, given the fact that we have a large investment portfolio, primarily a fixed income, clearly, Changes in interest rates would impact the value of that.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from John Staley with Staley Capital Advisors.

Speaker 5

Bill, obviously, this continues to be a very frustrating experience. Could you just tell me in plain English a couple of things. 1, are you going to resume the buyback program where you appear to have as much as $70,000,000 left. And secondly, Your comment about interest rates and whether or not this second issue of the Oversight Board. Is this last deal now, the revision, which is pushed to end of Q1 'twenty four?

Speaker 5

To your best estimate, do you think that's it? Or are these guys going to squeeze more out of the lemon? And how much has this truly impacted the intrinsic value of MBIA to an acquirer? I'm very confused about the status of the buyback. I'm very confused about how the Value of MBI, the intrinsic value to particularly a strategic acquirer has been impacted by all this.

Speaker 2

Okay. Good morning, John. Thank you for the questions. First of all, with regard to the buybacks, as you know, we Constantly, you're looking at the liquidity, the capacity, what the stock is trading at. And then as Anthony mentioned, at different points in time, We may have trading plans in place.

Speaker 2

There may be times where we don't and because, for example, when it's the end of a quarter And we have blackout periods or at other times when we have material non public information, we may be prohibited from buying shares. But as we've mentioned consistently, it is one of the levers we believe we can use to enhance shareholder value. And so we will continue to look at that and if all the conditions sort of align, we will look to buy back shares. And as Anthony mentioned, we do have capacity. With regard to the Oversight Board and PREPA, now this amended plan, I'd love to be able to tell you that the hearing in March will be will confirm the plan and that shortly after that everything will be executed.

Speaker 2

But given that you've been a long term shareholder and we've been at this now for probably close to 7 years, I'd probably be remiss if I asserted that it's going to be done that quickly in such a straightforward fashion. We hope that is the case, But we continue to monitor this situation. As you can imagine, we spent a tremendous amount of time on it and it has been hard to tell exactly how this will unfold, but we'll keep at it and hopefully this is Getting close to the end in terms of restructuring PREPA.

Speaker 5

It has to be equally frustrating to you That's your major shareholder as well. I mean, when do these bureaucrats finally say enough is enough?

Speaker 2

That is the $64,000 question or I guess, in our case, even more than that. It's $610,000,000 I think is what we have left. So we hope it's coming to a conclusion and For all sorts of reasons, including the strategic sale that we started last year, we'd like to get that

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Giuliano Bologna with Compass Point. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Good morning. One thing I'd be curious about

Speaker 6

is, you obviously have the March timeline and obviously we'll have to see how that unfolds for the PREPA exposure. The first part is I'm assuming that's kind of the main trigger event to potentially resume the strategic process. But along those lines, would it make sense to pursue reinsurance transactions or other transactions that could release capital to kind of continue to accelerate, referring capital to shareholders who are buying down debt at the holding company at discounts.

Speaker 2

So first of all, Giuliano, the March date that you mentioned, we think is Sort of the catalyst or the trigger for moving things forward. We'll see exactly how things play out in Judge Swain's court for the confirmation hearing in March. With regard to then the strategic alternatives, as we've suggested in the past, we think the Optimal transaction would be a sale of a company, as opposed to some of the other things that you suggested or Other things that have been mentioned, but we'll wait and see how things play out. But that's how we're thinking about at this point in time, and I think we feel pretty good about how this moves forward.

Speaker 5

That's great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 6

And I'll jump back in the queue.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Geoffrey Dunn with Dowling and Partners.

Speaker 2

Thanks. Good morning. As you continue to see the Oversight Board come back with these revised plans and continue to chop away at the recovery, How does management and the Board evaluate signing on to a plan versus pursuing the right for litigation? Is it purely a DCF Quantitative approach or is there more subjectivity qualitative assessment that go into that as well?

Speaker 6

Jeff, I think it's

Speaker 2

a combination of things. It's a pretty detailed analysis. It may be able to be summarized in pretty quick fashion, but there's a tremendous amount of work that goes into it both on the Litigation analysis and the likelihood is and the strength of the different arguments that have been put forth as well as the recovery. So I think everything you suggested in your question is part of the calculation that we do as we make decisions around this. Okay, great.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Operator

We have no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Greg Diamond for any for additional or closing remarks.

Speaker 1

Thanks again, Todd, and thanks to all of you for listening to our call today. Please contact us directly if you have any additional questions. We also recommend that you visit our website atmbia.com for additional information on our company. Thank you for your interest in MBIA. Good day and goodbye.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does Clued Today's NVIA Third Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. You may now disconnect.

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