Victory Capital Q3 2023 Earnings Call Transcript

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There are 10 speakers on the call.

Operator

Morning, and welcome to the Victory Capital Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All callers are in a listen only mode. Following the company's prepared remarks, there will be a question and answer session. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Matthew Dennis, Chief of Staff and Director of Investor Relations.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Before I turn

Speaker 2

the call over to David Brown, would like to remind you that during today's conference call, we may make a number of forward looking statements. Please note that Victory Capital's actual results that may cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed on today's call. Victory Capital assumes no duty and does not Our press release that was issued after the market closed yesterday Disclose both GAAP and non GAAP financial results. We believe the non GAAP measures enhance the understanding of our business and our performance. Reconciliations between these non GAAP measures and the most comparable GAAP measures are included in tables that can be found in our earnings press release and in the slide presentation accompanying this call, both of which are available on the Investor Relations portion of our website at ir.

Speaker 2

Vcm.com. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to David Brown, Chairman and CEO. David?

Speaker 3

Thanks, Matt. Good morning and welcome to Victory Capital's Q3 2023 earnings conference call. I'm joined today by Michael Policarpo, our President, Chief Financial and Administrative Officer as well as Matt Dennis, our Chief of Staff And Director of Investor Relations. I'll start today by providing an overview of the Q3. After that, I will turn the call over to Mike to review the financial results in detail.

Speaker 3

Following our prepared remarks, Mike, Matt and I will be available to take your questions. The quarterly business overview begins on Slide 5. We reported strong financial results for the 3rd quarter. Revenue, including adjusted EBITDA earnings and margin, net income and earnings per diluted share, All rose sequentially from the Q2 and we achieved the highest levels for each of those metrics thus far in calendar year 2023. Our margins remain robust with adjusted EBITDA margin coming in at 51.1% this quarter, which underscores the strength of our operating platform in all market environments.

Speaker 3

This was the 13th quarter in a row that we achieved margins above our long guidance of 49%, and it was the 9th quarter over that period that we reported margins of 50% or higher. Adjusted net income with tax benefit rose to $1.18 per diluted share in the quarter, a 6% increase over the $1.11 per diluted share that we reported last quarter. Long term net flows improved from the 2nd quarter Without flows declining to $1,700,000,000 in the 3rd quarter. I would also note that our gross redemptions are the lowest that they have been in the past 8 quarters.

Operator

Although we

Speaker 3

are in an environment where many investors have chosen to either invest in cash and cash equivalents or to pause allocations, We are seeing some significant green shoots with several of our investment franchises. One franchise I would like to call out is Westend Advisors, which continues to see positive net flows and significant distribution expansion from a platform and advisor perspective. We made the decision to build up cash during the quarter to enhance our financial flexibility and ensure we have the means to execute on our capital allocation strategy, specifically the inorganic aspect of it. As announced in our latest AUM press release in September, We consolidated the former fixed income franchise, Incore, under the Victory Income Investors brand, which is also a fixed income franchise. In conjunction with this consolidation, we sold a number of unique accounts totaling approximately $1,300,000,000 that were not scalable on our platform.

Speaker 3

We did retain a majority of the investment strategies and all of the investment professionals associated with the management of the strategies that transferred under the Victory Income Investors franchise. Lastly, as we stated in our earnings release, There will not be any material financial impact from these actions. Consistent with our ongoing growth initiatives, We continue to strategically invest in our platform in several areas. These include product development, enhancing capabilities for our direct investor channel, Technology, automation, artificial intelligence, digital marketing, as well as our use of data to make our platform even more competitive and efficient. Turning to Slide 7, you can see that our investment performance remains very strong.

Speaker 3

At quarter end, 40 of our mutual funds and ETFs had 4 or 5 star overall ratings from Morningstar. These products account for more than 2 thirds of our AUM Additionally, more than 80% of our total AUM outperformed benchmarks for the 5 year measurement period Ended September 30. One standout in the quarter was our Westend Advisors Investment Franchise. Through quarter end, 98 percent of Westend's AUM was outperforming respective benchmarks over the 5 year period. This bodes well for accelerating the already positive net flow momentum at Westend that I mentioned earlier.

Speaker 3

With the 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars that is currently invested in cash and cash equivalents, we are exceptionally well positioned in anticipation of Eventually rerisking portfolios when there is more visibility around the direction of interest rates as well as economic and geopolitical conditions given the investment performance in our fixed income products and our distribution positioning. Moreover, our suite of equity offerings Turning to Slide 8. We continue to generate robust excess free cash flow in the 3rd quarter. Subsequent to quarter end, we also monetized our floating to fixed swap that generated $43,000,000 in cash I produced a gain that is now locked in. Converting the swap into cash only adds to our financial flexibility and we see real benefit to flexibility at this point in the cycle.

Speaker 3

We are continuing to have numerous discussions around inorganic opportunities. As I have said many times, exact timing is difficult to predict, but I do believe that the opportunities that are presenting themselves in this environment Are quite attractive, becoming more plentiful and executable. With that in mind, we remain patient, disciplined and selective as we evaluate opportunities with the end goal of enhancing long term shareholder value. With that, I will turn the call over to Mike to go through the quarter's financial results in greater detail.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Dave, and good morning, everyone. The financial results review begins on Slide 10. Assets under management at quarter end were $153,500,000,000 Average assets under management rose 2.4% in the 3rd quarter compared with the 2nd quarter. Our fee rate was steady at 51.6 basis points. Revenue of $209,700,000 in the 3rd quarter was up 2.7% compared to the 2nd quarter.

Speaker 1

The higher revenue benefited from the higher average AUM as well as one extra day in the quarter. GAAP operating income was $80,000,000 and our adjusted EBITDA rose to $107,200,000 As adjusted EBITDA margin expanded 20 basis points to 51.1 percent in the 3rd quarter. Quarterly net income was $52,000,000 or $0.77 per diluted share on a GAAP basis. And adjusted net income with tax benefit rose quarter over quarter to $79,800,000 or $1.18 per diluted share, up 6% from the Q2. Dave already covered accumulating cash to enhance our flexibility and strengthen the balance sheet during the quarter.

Speaker 1

This accumulation resulted in cash increasing to $108,000,000 at quarter end. Further to this point, in October, we monetized our floating to fixed interest rate swap, locking in the gain on that arrangement, which generated $43,000,000 in cash. From an accounting standpoint, the gain will be realized on a straight line basis As a decrease in interest expense through the end of the swaps term in July of 2026. Our net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio improved to 2.1x at the end of September, reflecting the growth in adjusted EBITDA And our lower net debt. We returned $21,000,000 to shareholders in the quarter in the form of cash dividends And another $7,000,000 with share repurchases.

Speaker 1

Our Board of Directors declared another quarterly cash dividend of $0.32 per share. This next dividend will be payable on December 22 to shareholders of record on December 11. On Slide 11, you can see the steady increase in the total AUM in the first half reversed in the third quarter. This was driven primarily by negative market action, which reduced AUM by $4,900,000,000 in the period. Our AUM remains well diversified from a distribution channel and from a client perspective within each channel.

Speaker 1

We're also becoming more diversified from a vehicle perspective with ETFs and separately managed accounts, including model delivery, Now representing more than a third of our total AUM. Turning to Slide 12. Long term gross flows were $5,300,000,000 in the quarter and net long term flows were negative $1,700,000,000 Gross redemptions improved to their lowest level in 2 years. We are not immune to the current industry landscape Several franchises had positive net flows in the 3rd quarter, including New Energy Capital, RS Global, Trivalent and Westend. Westend's investment and business performance has been very strong, And we're beginning to realize the vision of growth for the platform we had when we made the acquisition.

Speaker 1

Another franchise worth noting is RS Global, which has been net flow positive for 10 consecutive quarters. The overall 5 star rated RS Global Fund, Ticker RSGGX ranked in the top decile according to Morningstar for the trailing 1, 5 10 year periods as of September 30 and has outperformed benchmarks as well over those same periods. Slide 13 illustrates revenue by quarter. You can see the close correlation between revenues and average assets under management, which resulted in the highest level of quarterly revenue achieved in the past year. Our fee rate decreased slightly in the 3rd quarter.

Speaker 1

As you may recall, the fee rate realization recorded in the Q2 was the highest in the year. In general, our investment management fees have remained steady Asset class client and vehicle mix are the primary drivers of quarterly fee rate variations. On Slide 14, we break out our expenses for the quarter. GAAP operating expenses rose in the quarter, Primarily due to a significant increase in quarter over quarter non cash charge related to the net present value of contingent consideration for prior acquisitions. This rose to $10,300,000 up from $1,500,000 in the 2nd quarter.

Speaker 1

Additionally, some of the increase is related to our variable cost structure and was due to the higher average AUM and revenue reflected in higher asset based expenses such as broker dealer and platform fees, fund administration and middle office expenses. Cash compensation as a percentage of revenue held constant at 23.7% for the 3rd quarter. Finally, G and A expenses rose slightly due to the timing of our ongoing investments to support growth. Moving on to our non GAAP results on Slide 15. Adjusted net income rose to $70,300,000 in the quarter, which is the highest level in the past 4 quarters.

Speaker 1

The cash tax benefit in the quarter was unchanged at $9,500,000 resulting in ANIWA tax benefit growing to $79,800,000 or $1.18 per diluted share. Our adjusted EBITDA margin expanded 20 basis points to 51.1 percent in the 3rd quarter. We achieved steady growth in adjusted earnings per share over the past year, which including our cash tax benefit rose 12% from the level achieved in the final quarter of 2022. Looking forward, we are maintaining our long term margin guidance of 49%, which is inclusive of the continued investments in numerous areas to Finally, turning to Slide 16, we did not pay down any debt in the 1st 3 quarters of this year. However, our net leverage ratio improved to 2.1 times at the end of September, reflecting the higher cash balance on our balance sheet and higher earnings.

Speaker 1

The average interest rate paid on our debt increased 18 basis points to 5.6% in the quarter. This was the smallest quarter over quarter interest rate increase in the past year and a half. Our $100,000,000 revolver remains undrawn And GAAP operating cash flow was $91,600,000 in the 3rd quarter. That concludes our prepared remarks. Will now turn it back over to the operator for questions.

Operator

Thank Your first question comes from the line of Craig Siegenthaler of Bank of America. Your line is open.

Speaker 4

Good morning, Dave, Mike. Hope everyone is doing well. My first one is on M and A. So With $140,000,000 of cash on hand today after the flow into fixed swap monetization, can you update us on the M and A pipeline? And are you holding more meetings with prospects today than 6 months ago?

Speaker 4

And any commentary On valuation multiples would be helpful, though. Thank you.

Speaker 3

Good morning, Craig. First, let me start off on the pipeline. The pipeline for the last year or so has been pretty full and we've been having lots of meetings. I wouldn't say that Meetings have increased. What I would say is and I said this in our prepared remarks that I feel like The ability to execute has gotten a lot better and really us monetizing our Hedge and us building cash is a reflection of where we think we are in the cycle and how close we are to potentially doing a transaction.

Speaker 3

That being said, nothing is imminent and we also look at our capital strategy very opportunistically. And so we had historically, at least this year, bought a lot of shares back, and continue to pay a dividend. I wouldn't say that we wouldn't be buying shares back going forward, but we want to make sure that we have a balance sheet that's flexible

Speaker 4

Thanks, Dave. Just as my follow-up On the SMA and other flows of $440,000,000 in the quarter, within the $440,000,000 I was wondering if you have the mix Or to provide some color between truss, wraps, UMA, UCITS, any other vehicles that I may be missing, because that's been a nice growth engine for you guys. And then within those sort of sub buckets, which one do you expect to be the biggest flow contributor in GLP24?

Speaker 3

It's all primarily Westend, the Westend Advisors franchise. And Really, that is when we bought when we purchased that business, our thesis really was is that we thought the model Business within the large platforms in the industry, that was going to increase and that they were well positioned and that's happened. And so primarily where we think going forward is we think it's all going to be on the model side.

Speaker 1

Dave, thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Etienne Richard of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 5

Thank you and good morning. So lots of discussion on the potential to return to positive net flows and fixed income Across the industry. So, in this environment, how do you think about promoting your fixed income strategies, both across the direct and retail channels.

Speaker 3

So over the last few years, We have really spent the time to build out our distribution channels for the Victory Inc. Of Investors franchise. And where we've spent the time from a marketing, from gaining access to different platforms And really shoring up the platform and as we said in our prepared remarks, we did consolidate the in core Franchise into at least from a brand perspective into the Victory Income Investors franchise. And we think having one brand, the scalability of that brand and really consolidating all of our efforts Under that brand will really help us when some of these investors come off the sidelines and get out of cash Or decide to allocate back to traditional fixed income. I'd also add, one of the best ways Prepare for this to have really, really good investment performance.

Speaker 3

And if you were to look at the Victory Income Investors franchise and look at our performance, it's Excellent across the board. And I think that's really the best preparation for it.

Speaker 5

Okay. And just to circle back on M and A, can you give us a sense of the potential size of transactions you're looking at? And Would you be willing to maybe close multiple transactions in a relatively short period of time or Would you prefer to stick to your historical one transaction per year track record?

Speaker 3

We really have if you go back and look historically, we have done large transactions, I'd say medium size and small. And we've always said that because we've built such a great platform, we have the benefit of looking at multiple Sized transactions and that's how we look at it. Where the transactions have really impacted us Have been on the larger side and also on the smaller side. Historically, if you go back years ago, the beginning of our ETF Business was a very small acquisition, which has grown nicely over the last 8 years. From how many, we have had where we've done 3, I think at the end of 2021 Into 2022, we closed 3.25 or at least in the back half of the year.

Speaker 3

And then we've had situations where we have done one and then it's been a few years in between. I'm not in a position to say How quickly, what the size would be, and how many in a year, we're really looking at it on an opportunistic basis.

Speaker 5

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Adam Beatty of UBS.

Speaker 6

Just to follow-up on M

Speaker 3

and A, not to harp on

Speaker 6

it too much, but Dave used the word executable a couple of times. And Potential interpretation of that is maybe tighter sort of bid ask spread, sellers kind of getting more realistic on valuation, But those are my words. So I'm just curious, probably no one out there executes M and A in the asset manager space as well as victory. Just curious what you meant by more executable at this stage in the cycle? Thanks.

Speaker 3

I think you summed it up nicely. I do think The bid and the ask spread has tightened and I think buyers and sellers are much more realistic of what valuation is and potentially being open to structuring. And so my word of Executable is really in reference to that.

Speaker 6

Excellent. Thank you. I appreciate it. And then just turning to small and mid cap Equities, you guys have significant scale there, good view on the market. Just wondering How you see the climate right now for small and mid cap investing and the outlook given some of the recent Fed moves or non moves?

Speaker 6

Thanks.

Speaker 3

Generally speaking, there is a lot of investor dollars sitting in cash and cash equivalents. I think there's over $7,000,000,000,000 in money markets. And so a lot of investors have Decided at least at this point in the cycle to go to cash to get the higher return. I do believe going forward that a lot of those Dollars will leave the money market asset class and be either put into fixed income or into higher risk Type assets, including U. S.

Speaker 3

Small Cap, including U. S. Mid Cap. I also think that If you go and look at the small and mid cap industries, they have not performed up to where the overall market has. So I think that they look like very good potential investments with good returns.

Speaker 3

We happen to have multiple franchises In U. S. Small cap and mid cap and really feel like we're well positioned there. And I think When the reallocation occurs, some of those assets will fall into those asset classes and we'll be able to gather some of those assets. So we're pretty excited about that opportunity.

Speaker 3

Excellent. Thank you very much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kenneth Lee of RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Speaker 7

Taking my question. Just to round out the discussion on M and A. What's your view do you view the cost of financing as a potential challenge in the environment for potential M and A there? Thanks.

Speaker 3

I'd start off by saying that when we think of financing, we really think of all the tools that we have, where you have Our cash generation, we have the ability to structure. Of course, we can go to the debt markets. And we have, I think, over the past, really done a nice job on being creative on How we structure the transactions? The financing costs are up, obviously, over the last year and a half. But for us and the way we execute the transactions and the way we look at the transaction, it isn't a hurdle for us The cost of financing, as we said, we did accumulate cash this quarter, which is the benefit of having a platform that generates a lot of free excess cash flow.

Speaker 3

And then we also monetized our hedge. And then as we look forward, we'll balance out if we do a transaction how to go about that. But I don't feel at least for us the financing costs Are going to be a hurdle to executing a transaction.

Speaker 7

Great. Very helpful there. And just one follow-up, if I may. Sounds like New Energy Capital had some positive long term net flows in the quarter. Wondering if you could just give us an update or your latest outlook in terms Organic growth in that franchise going forward?

Speaker 7

Thanks.

Speaker 1

Hey, Ken. Yes. We did mention they had positive flows In the Q3, the asset deposit closed in the Q2. I think our thesis around the acquisition of New Energy We're bullish about the products that they have in kind of the private markets with respect to kind of the renewable energy space. Fundraising in the private side in 2023, I think from an industry perspective has been challenging.

Speaker 1

However, we're pleased with the progress that we've made to date, and we're excited about the opportunity. As we look out, we think what they do It's unique and they have a great opportunity to continue to see growth as we move forward. And that really was the thesis for us as we did the acquisition. So we're excited about the that sit in front of us. And as the industry kind of continues to loosen with respect to private asset raising, we'll participate well there.

Speaker 7

Great. Very helpful there. Thanks again.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mike Brown of KBW. Your line is open.

Speaker 8

Great. Thank you for taking my questions. So I wanted to ask about Westend here. The growth continues to be really strong there. Can you just give us an update how many platforms that franchise is on Today and just maybe expand on some of the recent growth trends there and the potential going forward.

Speaker 8

Do you still see some more room to ramp on the current platforms? And is there

Speaker 3

The platforms that they're we're currently on when we Purchase them. We have been able to go deeper onto those platforms. So today, we're doing business with a significantly Higher number of advisors than they were doing when they were independent. We've expanded the number of Forms that they're on, so not only deepening the relationships with the platforms, but actually expanding the number of platforms. And then we've also expanded out the product set.

Speaker 3

We launched an ETF, the ticker symbol MODL, which now allows the sales people to offer not just the models, but also an ETF managed by Westend. And so there is a tremendous amount of growth from an opportunity standpoint for that franchise. If you think about the current environment that we're in and we've owned that business, at the end of this year, it will be coming up on 2 years And to have that platform that franchise be net flow positive in every time period and since inception, Since we've purchased them, it's really remarkable and just tells you what the opportunity is for that platform. And again, that was the thesis of the transaction, was taking a tremendous franchise that has a great culture and great investment performance And really good distribution and just making it better and scaling it. And I think that we're well positioned again when some of these assets move out of cash to really go out and grow.

Speaker 3

And we also have A desire to expand out the product set there as well, which will only add to the upside opportunity.

Speaker 8

Great. Thanks. And then, Michael, maybe just a quick modeling one for me. Following the monetization of the hedge, What is the right jumping off point for that interest expense now with the impact of the gain that will come through?

Speaker 1

Yes, I think the simple way to look at it is we're really locked in at the kind of Q3 rate. So I think we mentioned about 5.6% is the kind of Combined interest rate going forward based on current rates.

Speaker 8

Okay, great. That's it for me. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ken Worthington of JPMorgan, your line is open.

Speaker 9

Hello, good morning. This is Michael Chilin for Ken, thanks for taking my question, Dave and Mike. My first one,

Speaker 1

I'm just going to go ahead

Speaker 9

and ask the cash question as well. Just in you talked about M and A and Investments, I guess just in the event things don't come into fruition near term, I guess, how long are you comfortable holding an elevated level of cash?

Speaker 3

I would say that we

Operator

are going to look

Speaker 3

at our cash levels very It will be based on the facts and circumstances. We have pivoted quickly to different Strategies, we at one period in our history paid down debt very aggressively and then pivoted to buyback, Buying back our shares and I would imagine going forward depending on what's happening at the time, we'll be very opportunistic. We have the flexibility to do that. We still have over $50,000,000 still offer from our authorization From the Board on our buyback program that we can utilize, and then, but we're going to take it really as we always have, with the current fact

Speaker 9

Okay, perfect. Thank you. And then just switching gears, just on G and A, I think you Called out, just kind of slightly elevated in the quarter for particular organic investment opportunity. I'm just curious, what was that Organic opportunity that drove the quarter. And then I think you listed a number of organic investment areas as you every quarter, but I'm not sure I heard AI before.

Speaker 9

So just curious what you're also doing in AI as well? Thank you.

Speaker 1

Yes. Thanks, Mike. Yes, there really is no significant one significant investment That we made in the quarter. I think we've always said the timing of the investments that we're making really will ebb and flow. So the increase in G and A that you saw was really just a timing aspect.

Speaker 1

Where we are investing in the business is really around kind of our data and analytics, product development, digital marketing. We're continuing to invest in our direct investor channel. Those are the areas that we continue to invest in. And any elevation or changes you Quarter over quarter is really just timing with respect to that. And with respect to AI, I think we've talked a little bit about Some of the investments that we've made in data and analytics for our retail and intermediary distribution team, Yes.

Speaker 1

We've invested in some proprietary databases that are really making them more effective in the field, and utilizing the data that we're Capturing from the market, from certain dealers, so that's the reference that we're using from an AI perspective is really to support our As well as supporting the investment franchises just with providing them more information and more data.

Speaker 3

And it's Dave. I'd like to add one thing is, our platform is so unique, which I think you can see From the margins and how we've performed in a really tough industry environment and having guidance at 49%. But one of the things that we think is pretty unique is our investments and the dollars that we invest, I think are as efficient as anybody in the industry given the way we're structured in our platform and how we're Scale that the size we're at and these investments we're making are very applicable to multiple distribution channels, to multiple parts of our business. Our platform isn't complex. And our margins this quarter are 51.1%.

Speaker 3

And I went through the statistics of 13 straight quarters above 49, 9 of them, 50% or more. I just think that We have a really unique platform with a great group of employees executing it with a great culture. So when we think about investing, We love to invest. There's lots of places to invest. We're just getting a lot of bang for a buck, if you will.

Speaker 9

Perfect. Thanks guys.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to David Brown for closing remarks.

Speaker 3

Thank you. And thanks for your interest in Victory Capital. Next month, we'll be attending the Goldman Sachs Financial Services Conference in New York Citi, which is on December 6, and I look forward to seeing some of you there. Have a great day and thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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